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Speaker 1: podcast for the fourth of July twenty twenty four inde

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Speaker 1: Penance Day. Jeremy's way is sick as a dog. He's

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Speaker 1: puking ever, it's coming out of both ends. It's disgusting

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Speaker 1: are going to hold your hand through this and make

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Speaker 1: it a very, very enjoyable time because we've got Richie Muwanga.

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Speaker 2: We do have Richie Mulanga on the show today.

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Speaker 1: The All Blacks and Crusaders number ten former number ten

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Speaker 1: I suppose yes, sorry, former number ten. He's been off

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Speaker 1: playing overseas. He's back though, and I'm gonna be hanging

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Speaker 1: out with them down in Dunedin, n because I'm heating

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Speaker 1: down there tonight for the All Blacks on on Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he plays for the Tashiba Lupus Tokyo now

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Speaker 2: everyone making some sweet cash, making some because he's he's

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Speaker 2: bloody good, you know, like he's still it's not like

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Speaker 2: someone who's had his career and it was coming to

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Speaker 2: the end and so he was put out to pasture

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Speaker 2: no to make some money in a less of league.

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Speaker 1: If he was still with the All Blacks, he be

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Speaker 1: he'd be selected right now.

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Speaker 2: It's not really the way sport's going, is it. It

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Speaker 2: feels a lot like in right Across Codes in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: It's the first half of your career you kind of

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Speaker 2: you focus on the international side of the game, and

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Speaker 2: then the second half is you focus on the money.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got to make the money because official sports

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Speaker 1: men or women. Then you're you're your window of making

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Speaker 1: money is not long. You know, it might be it

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Speaker 1: might be five years, it might be ten years. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're really lucky, you're one of those those dudes

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Speaker 1: that goes for like, you know, fifteen years or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But you've got to make your money, so you cannot

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Speaker 1: blame them, you know, getting out when they are worth

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. Getting out of the international game.

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Speaker 1: You've done a lot for your country. You get out

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Speaker 1: when you're still worth all of a lot of money

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Speaker 1: and you can spend five years making some serious cash

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Speaker 1: for your family. That can set you up for life.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that I want to ask

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Speaker 2: Richie today. One is about the tucking jersey that he operates.

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Speaker 2: It's been causing a lot of problems in relationships for

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years here in New Zealand. He's

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Speaker 2: a good looking man, Richie, and he likes to tuck

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Speaker 2: in his jersey. I want to ask him where did

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Speaker 1: Was it a lady?

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Speaker 2: Was it for the ladies or was it just like it?

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Speaker 2: Was it a practical thing, like you said when you

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Speaker 2: find out Iver Davies is fan. Was a practical fan,

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Speaker 2: not actually to just blow the mullet and the shoe

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Speaker 2: on shit. And I also want to ask him, what

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Speaker 2: does it feel like watching the Illbecks play when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, because that would be interesting, wouldn't You're on

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Speaker 1: the sideline and you're good to go and you can't

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Speaker 1: influence it. You know, that must be really really interesting.

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Speaker 2: I reckon it's tough, man, I think. I mean, we're

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Speaker 2: about to find out, aren't we. But something would tell

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Speaker 2: me if you're a competitive person, not playing a sport

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Speaker 2: that you're good at would be quite tough to watch.

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Speaker 2: I think, well that's my assumption anyway, And it's going

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Speaker 2: should also ask him about raisho isdn't we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, one of the reasons why we're talking to him.

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Speaker 1: Is the Export Ultra Pregame Express in Dunedin. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can join the Alternative Commentary collective team for the biggest

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Speaker 1: pre match party in town. That's me, Manyah and g

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Speaker 1: Lane will be down there and some others. Saturday six

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Speaker 1: to Jui, I get to the Kensington from midday on

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Speaker 1: game Day for epic drink specials and live music from

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Speaker 1: Mitch James to set the Perfect five. Plus you'll get

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Speaker 1: a free ride to the stadium on Richie's Export Express

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Speaker 1: with the one on only Richie Muanga will be actually

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Speaker 1: driving the bus to get you to the freaking ground.

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Speaker 2: So he's gonna have to stay off the beers. Obviously

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Speaker 2: he'll be stelling staying away from the.

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Speaker 1: Exported Ye're true, slightly different down there.

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Speaker 2: That is a bit different down there. Is he picking

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Speaker 2: you up from the port port? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's picking us up. Yeah, the poor guy. Hang

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Speaker 1: on a minute, there's the Ultra pre game weekend. I

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Speaker 1: think we're doing two pre games.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure you're not talking about because I also

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Speaker 2: understanding that you've got a pre game next week for

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Speaker 2: the Auckland game as well that I'm going to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so maybe but Dnedan' is the town

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Speaker 1: for ripping it up, especially in winter. People are really

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Speaker 1: ready to ready party that they can party the whole weekend.

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Speaker 2: We should ask Richie about that too. Obviously he's not

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Speaker 2: on a sports trip. Where is he looking at hitting

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Speaker 2: this weekend? He's really looking to tear it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the octagon a new one. Oh, he'll absolutely be ripping

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Speaker 2: the octagon a massive new one. Is he a bit

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Speaker 2: of a he?

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Speaker 1: Is he scrappy?

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Speaker 2: We can ask himhen he gets he Is he looking

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Speaker 2: for fights?

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Speaker 1: He seems like the most upstanding individual, seems like the

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Speaker 1: most ridiculously upstanding individual.

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Speaker 2: Has he ever done anything wrong?

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever put a foot wrong.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we ask him. I see Ruds dialing him

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Speaker 2: up right now, let's bring him on. You have to

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Speaker 2: introduce me, by the way, I've.

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Speaker 1: Never met him either, Okay, so maybe i've interview once

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Speaker 1: we met him. Okay, I've never met Richie Wing. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're going to meet him now. There's what

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Speaker 1: Ruda do is he tries to create a relationship with

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Speaker 1: their with our super stock GISTs on the phone before

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Speaker 1: Ruda is involved in Studio B with with a bit

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Speaker 2: About Ruder though, is he's far more he's a little

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Speaker 2: bit better at it than previous people who were kind

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Speaker 2: of just would sit out there and apologize for us.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, it's wrong than anyway. Okay, let's fire,

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Speaker 1: Bring on the great Richie Muang a good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning everyone, Richie?

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Speaker 1: Are you there? Where are you? Are you down and

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Speaker 1: Donners yet?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I'm actually appearing for the weekend in

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Speaker 3: Gold Coasters.

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Speaker 2: Actually, okay, sorry Richie. By the way, it's Mash and

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Speaker 2: Matt here today, Jerry is the way. Thanks for having

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Speaker 2: a chat to us. First and foremost, So what what

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Speaker 2: what are you up to? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Mate?

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Speaker 2: So you are you in needon already?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I'll make surely I'm in gold Cluest

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Speaker 1: Soon you can fly? Can you fly direct from the

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Speaker 1: Goldie to Dunners?

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Speaker 3: No you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can that's bloody Yeah, that is annoying.

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Speaker 2: Probably not annoying for the Gold Coast residence, but a

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Speaker 2: shame for the Donners foks.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just looking at what you're up to this weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be an interesting weekend for you, of

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Speaker 1: course because you're able bodied number ten obviously playing in Japan,

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Speaker 1: but you're going to be sitting at for South Bar

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Speaker 1: Stadium watching the All Blacks play. That's going to be

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Speaker 1: an interesting experience for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's actually it's going to be weird.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just going to be a fan just like

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Speaker 3: as even more excited, to be honest, than the opportunity

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Speaker 3: I get to have was Export Ultra and Richie's bus.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be taking fans from Kingington Sports Bar

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Speaker 3: down to for South and it's just going to be

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Speaker 3: an awesome time.

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Speaker 2: Is this something that you've that you take pride in, Richie? Like,

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Speaker 2: do you I don't know, if the if the family

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Speaker 2: is going on a road trip or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Do you like to drive? Is there something that you

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Speaker 2: enjoy driving people around, pointing things out out the window.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to be doing I don't know, there's

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Speaker 2: the optic in for the people in the back of

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Speaker 2: approach just get them from the bar to the game.

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Speaker 3: No, No, this is it's my job, my sole purpose

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Speaker 3: on surveys make sure that everyone has the most fun

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Speaker 3: and they are prepped as best as they can be

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Speaker 3: for the All Blex game. I know how important letters

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Speaker 3: as well, so I can't win well.

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Speaker 1: Mis some advice I've got to you, Richie, people need

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Speaker 1: to stand behind the line because you could get absolutely

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Speaker 1: punished while you're trying to drive a bus with some

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Speaker 1: horrific code chat.

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Speaker 2: What I will say, Richie is as watch out is

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Speaker 2: because a lot of us from radio headache in the

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Speaker 2: ACC when we've had a couple of beers, we like

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Speaker 2: to tell people that have played the game to a

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Speaker 2: very high standard how rugby works and what we think

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Speaker 2: the best way to play this game is. So I

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Speaker 2: just prepare yourself for quite a lot of punishment on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: especially when it comes to Cocha and how we think

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Speaker 2: the game should be played.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't worry. Honestly, years of years and years

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Speaker 3: of this and I have family members that that's the same.

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Speaker 3: I'm really from this moment.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I've definitely woken up after a few beers and

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Speaker 1: remember talking to I've punished Karen read with some CoA

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Speaker 1: chat over the years. Zs for sure. He just sits

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Speaker 1: there and glazes over and go mate, you know absolutely nothing. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is this is imagine a scenario, an unfortunate scenario

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Speaker 1: with Damien McKenzie practicing under the high ball accidentally goes

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Speaker 1: head to head with body Barrett. They're both hr they're

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Speaker 1: both knocked unconscious. Is there a world where you could

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Speaker 1: be throwing the jersey and jumping in the unfortunate incident

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Speaker 1: of two of those two number ten's going down?

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Speaker 3: Look, I would like to think that I'll be the

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Speaker 3: next man up, I think. Unfortunately, unfortunately I'm not. There's

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Speaker 3: a there's a big playing group behind the people in

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Speaker 3: the twenty three and look, I've been on holiday for

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Speaker 3: the last month from Japan, so I'm nowhere near ready

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Speaker 3: to be able to perform for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, Now, I understand playing in Japan, there's

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Speaker 1: and thanks so much for talking to us, and I

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Speaker 3: Awesome fellas. No appreciate it, and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, see about it? By all right? What a

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Speaker 2: He's quite in the pocket, old rich isn't he He

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Speaker 2: I like the idea that him and Rico started off

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Speaker 1: Fights and pubs are so different from fights in normal places. No, no,

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Speaker 1: punches don't hurt. When they do hit, they slaps. People

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Speaker 2: Ground and some are really that bloody, are they.

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Speaker 2: Is there no, A lot of bit a lot of

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Speaker 2: kind of hold me back. Yeah, you know, a couple

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Speaker 1: Okay, And I've just received a text from Jay wells, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I hope today went well.

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Speaker 1: He's sick at home the.

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Speaker 2: Information about Tolsi leaving him. You mentioned that at the

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, what It's a personal text that he sent

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Speaker 1: through a better woman. But I can't read it. She

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Speaker 1: can't read that. I can't actually can't read that. I

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Speaker 1: I can't read that.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't read that.

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Speaker 2: just up and about texting you humorous? Things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like humorous humanist sexual things.

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Speaker 2: Have you going to take a day off?

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 2: I want to hear that you are fucking beard.

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Speaker 1: Red, mate, I want to hear that it's coming out

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Speaker 1: both ends and you've got to fibulator on you. You're

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Then alright? Then then that's a bit of a

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Speaker 1: Anyway, you might as well plug the fucking ACC wounder

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Speaker 1: that I'm going down to join the Alternative Commentary Collective

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Speaker 1: team for the biggest pre match party in town, the

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Speaker 1: Export Ultra pre Game Friday, fifth of July. Hang with

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Speaker 1: the ACC team from six pm at the Kensington to

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Speaker 1: knockoff week. It's good Saturday, sixth of July. Get to

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Speaker 1: what We're at the Kensington from six pm on the

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Speaker 1: from midday on game day for epic drink specials, live

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Speaker 1: music from Mitch James to set the perfect vibes. Plus

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Speaker 1: making sure you arrive on time. So that's starting a

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Speaker 2: It's the most acc it's the most.

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Speaker 1: G lane bullshit ever. Yeah, as always kick off. It's

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: Okay, then you're right then? All right? Are we all right?

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Speaker 1: Then Richie Wine a great New Zealander. All right then okay,

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Speaker 1: sere the Kensington if you're in Dneda on bloody Friday

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Speaker 1: and bloody Saturday night. Jesus Christ, Hello, I'm Matt Heath.

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Speaker 1: discuss anything raised in this pod, check out the Conclave,

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Speaker 1: a Matt and Jerry Facebook discussion group. And while I'm

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Speaker 1: plugging stuff, my book, A Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to

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Speaker 1: Love the Life You've Got is out now get it

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your books, or just google the bastard.

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Speaker 1: Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go. Bless Blessed, blessed.

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Speaker 1: Give them a taste of keyw from me,