1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Speaker Jerry Brownly looking to tidy Parliament up after get 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: another decorum incursion from the Mallory party, who, as he 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: pointed out, her more about noise and attention seeking them 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: making the place better, so stronger penalties, sanctions for non attendance, 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: tough addressed standards. David Carter, former Speaker of the Houses, 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: back with as David Morning. 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Morning, Michael. 8 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: I thought he missed a little bit of an opportunity yesterday. 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Honestly thought he was going to call a renny out 10 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: and he could he have? Should he have? Or should somebody? 11 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: I e? 12 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: And MP in the ensuing period since last week have 13 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: called them out and got them in front of the 14 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Privileges Committee. 15 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: The speakers responsible for setting the standards of Parliament, and 16 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: he has to do that. They were lowered by mister 17 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: Mallard and mister Brownley now has the responsibility to up 18 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: the standards in Parliament. He needs the backing of parliamentarians 19 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: to do it. He's chairs the Business Committee that meets 20 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: every week. If he can get the majority of parliamentarians 21 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: to agree that the standards have slipped and need to 22 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: be improved, then he'll be able to do it. 23 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: With these do you think he will get that support. 24 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: I think he definitely will. Parliamentarians like to think they 25 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: are members of the highest court in the land. Make 26 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: the highest court of the land adhere to standards that 27 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: are suitable, and I think the parliamentarians would back Jerry. 28 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: He's just got to show the world to do it. 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Is there any room in there? I was thinking about 30 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: this as he was speaking yesterday. There's a lot of 31 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I can sit here and go gee, 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: it's not like it was in the old days, is it? 33 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: But these aren't the old days. Is it the regenerational 34 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: slash cultural clash here that we might want to pay 35 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: attention to or is it just gone too far? 36 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 2: I think it's gone too far, But I do agree 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: that you've got to be continue adjusting your rules. So 38 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: the Maori Party are there. They're very strong and personalities. 39 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: They need to be listened to. But they are part 40 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: of the Business Committee. The Business Committee meets regularly. It 41 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: arives at decision by near unanimity. Doesn't require every parliamentarian 42 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: sitting around the Business Committee to agree, but the majority 43 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: win and that Parliament itself needs to adjust the rules 44 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: and be prepared to do so. To raise the standards. 45 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: Is it just party in your viewer of the Greens 46 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: fall under this net as well. 47 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't watch parliament anymore or was there for long enough, 48 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: and I don't have to. You're the one that does. 49 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: I think all parliamentarians need to consider whether the standards 50 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: have dropped. I think they have. You had the speech 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: the other day that made the speech has caused the trouble. 52 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: It went well over time. That's not allowed to happen. No, 53 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: if you allowed parliamentarians to just have their own speaking, 54 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: times of become chaos. But the speaker, mister Browne, could 55 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: have actually controlled that. He could have cut that speech 56 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: off at due time. He chose not to. He's got 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: it tough enough as well. 58 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: Good on you, David nicely, said David Carter, former Speaker 59 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: of the House. Yeah, it was building. I watched it 60 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: live and I thought, hang on, he's heading in the 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: right direction here. I think we've got something. He's going 62 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: to name her and he's going to do something about it. 63 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: And he sort of whimped out. And I think my 64 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: general criticism of Jerry Browne, so far as he's not 65 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: a great speaker, he's certainly better than Mallard. But that's 66 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: saying nothing. He's certainly not as good as Carter was. 67 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't as good as Jonathan Hunt, and you can 68 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: go back further from that. 69 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: For more from the My Casking Breakfast listen live to 70 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: News Talk SETB from six am weekdays, or follow the 71 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio