1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're one. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Of a kind, Yes, and joining us for the huddle. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: Ben Thomas, former National Party staffer, and Ali Jones red 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: PR Hello, Hi TM, Hi Ben gooda. Are you a 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: member of any Ali? Are you a member of any 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Facebook groups or an admin? Perhaps even? 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 4: Hundreds? No, seriously, because I forget that I joined them, 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 4: and then when I go back through and see what 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 4: I've joined, I'm appalled actually at how it's got out 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 4: of control. So I have a round about four pages 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 4: that I manage myself and a number that I am 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 4: a member of. It's a really great way to stay 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 4: in touch with local issues as far as local government 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 4: goes and things like that. So yes, I am. 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with worrying about scams or 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: are your pages closely sort of monitored and sort of 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: by admission only? 19 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, and I do. I mean I can 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: tell a fake profile and Ben will know all about 21 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: this too. In politics, there are fake profiles, there are scams. 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: The one at the moment is if you're running advertised 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: through meta, then you get a message saying we're about 24 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 4: to remove your page. Because you've reached conditions right and 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 4: you just you just block that and delete it. But 26 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 4: it does take time. I heard your man talk about 27 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: it takes a lot of time. 28 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: What would you do if you were Ben? Would you 29 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: would you just pull pull up sticks and just say, oh, 30 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: stuff this? 31 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 5: Well, this is. 32 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: The thing about online communities, isn't it. I mean everything 33 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: used to be free and you went sort of bombarded 34 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: by ads everywhere. But but you know, this is the 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: thing about online services, whether it's a Facebook group or 36 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: the platform, you know, eventually people want to monetize it. 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: And if you're an admin in a group, you know, 38 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: it's that old sort of thing. You're you're not the 39 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: consumer or the product. And you know, I think Facebook 40 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: actually you know, doesn't let you charge No. 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: I think the thing is that sucks you into It's like, 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: once you're an admin umber group, you just get sucked 43 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: into that world. And probably the smartest thing they should 44 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: do is just just pull the pin and leave it alone. 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: Is that what you guys have do? 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 5: Ben? I'd think ten years was long enough. 47 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: I might offer to hand over the keys to someone 48 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: else and right into the sunset. 49 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a there are a couple of 50 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: options here. I think what they're doing is great. And 51 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: I think the fact that it came from someone who 52 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: is homeless and that they're keeping that link to that 53 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: and keeping that real, I think that's awesome talk about authenticity. 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 4: But I think there's an opportunity here potentially for someone 55 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: to monetize it and set up some sort of website. 56 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: It's not expensive to set up a website. Potentially, what 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: you do then as you run the risk of making 58 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: that affordable for people who can afford it, or accessible 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 4: for people who can afford it, and exclude those who can't. 60 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 4: So but you know, there's certainly a business opportunity here. 61 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think they should keep it going, get 62 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: some more admins. You know three is not many. 63 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, and I think maybe you're right. Just 64 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: close it down, leave a notice saying, look, if you 65 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: want to, if you want to check it out, this 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: is our your website, and we look forward to welcome. Anyway, Look, 67 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: let's move on. We'll move on in just a moment. Actually, 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: we'll take a break. It's sixteen minutes to five. This 69 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: is the huddle, Ben Thomas and Ali Jones. The GDP 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: is out. We'll be having a chat about that and 71 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: where the how good news that is for us? 72 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: All the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, the 73 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: ones with local and global reach. 74 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: Heys Welcome back to the huddle, Ben Thomas and Ali 75 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: Jones with me, Tim Beverage and for Ryan Now, Ben, 76 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: GDP is out. We're officially out of recession. Are you 77 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: feeling sort of its party time or what do you reckon? 78 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been sort of dipping in, dipping out, sort 79 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: of narrowly avoiding technical recessions for a lot of the 80 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: last two two and a bit years. I mean, look this, 81 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: even with the economic growth in the last quarter of 82 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, you know, that gets us back to 83 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: the early part of twenty twenty three of the actual GDP, 84 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: you know, and per capita GDP really encouraging, you know, 85 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: up point four percent in the last quarter. 86 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 5: I think that's the first time since. 87 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: June twenty three that we had a gain rather than 88 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: a drop in per capita GDP. So look, you know, 89 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 3: if you think, if you think you're doing it tough, 90 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: you're not imagining it this. You know, we're we're really 91 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: at the bottom cloring our way back up now, and look, 92 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: there's a lot of challenges ahead. Unfortunately, you know, we 93 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: we we saw, we saw a lot of pressure with 94 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: the energy situation last year. Looks like we might be 95 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: headed for a repeat of that. That makes things tougher 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: both in terms of costs, jobs. You know, Look, it's 97 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: a white knuckle ride. I think the government's doing everything 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: they can to kind of promote growth, investment, get things moving. 99 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: But look, you know we're really hostages to fortune. And 100 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: by fortune I mean the international situation, which is, you know, 101 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: do it's best to push back on the improvements that 102 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: we're making. 103 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, a bit of uncertainty globally, of course, which might 104 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: see a reversal unfortunes. But Alie, at least we've stopped digging, 105 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: haven't we. 106 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 4: No. Look, and I Ben knows a hell of a 107 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: lot more about this than I do. But actually my 108 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 4: eyes glaze over when someone says GDP or in the 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: last quarter of personality. All I care about is what 110 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: are my chops going to cost? What's the cost of butter? 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: And why the hell can't I buy a decent piece 112 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: of fish in this country that is an island? So 113 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: I say that off handedly, But actually I think that's 114 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: the key here, because you know, if meat and dairy 115 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 4: are based on global prices, how the hell does the 116 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: GDP rate help this. Now, I'm sure there's an economical 117 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: or rather a question that could be answered by by 118 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 4: an economist on that, but I'm not convinced by this. 119 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 4: We might be promoting growth and investment, but like I said, 120 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: that doesn't mean anything to the family of three that's 121 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: trying to buy butter and bread at the corner shop. So, 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: and I don't think the government's doing everything they should. 123 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: What's the grocery commissioner doing? Where's the electricity regulations in 124 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 4: place here? So it's all very well trumpeting this, you know, 125 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: starting to move out of recession. Let's actually start to 126 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: see something that helps people every day, people be able 127 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 4: to feed their care I guess that is the unquantifiable thing, 128 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 4: isn't it. 129 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: You see numbers that come out and you hear a 130 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: zero point seven percent and for most people, I don't 131 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: know when it actually percolates through to people actually feeling better. Bend, 132 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: But what do you think it will take for people 133 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: to start actually feeling it? Because we saw that consumer 134 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: confidence was down, What do you reckon. 135 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the real key, isn't it. To a large extent, 136 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: you know, the sort of thing can be a bit psychological. 137 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: People think that things aren't going to get better, so 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: they think I need to save my money not spend it, 139 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: and you know that hurts businesses, that hurts retail, and 140 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: we get into this sort of you know, death cycle 141 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: that we've been in just for years now. So look 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: what we need is sort of confidence that the economy 143 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: is picking up. Then people will start recruiting businesses, statics, 144 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: you know, hopefully expanding. They might take on a bit 145 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: more debt to start providing more services, and that's the 146 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: only way out. Yeah, will land. 147 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 4: Shops be cheaper than what will lamb chops be costing? 148 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: And mince, I'm not paying twenty three bucks a kilo 149 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: for mins. 150 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, Alie, you have given us 151 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: a gift because I think I'm going to judge my 152 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: next time I write something about the economy, and I'll 153 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: be with the heading what are my chops going to cost? 154 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: I mean, normally it's eggs, milk and stuff. But I'm 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: glad you're into the lamb chops. 156 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: I love a good lamb chop. I do like a 157 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: good lamb shop. 158 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, Look, let's let's move along to Australian form. Australian 159 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: PM Malcolm Turnbull is not making it easy on the 160 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: diplomacy front. I don't know if you heard my chat 161 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: that I had with him after five o'clock, but you 162 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: know he's talking about he's got the right to free speech. 163 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: He's not in the government and he thinks that people 164 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: should actually stand up to Trump, who's a bully. How 165 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: much do you ali do how much do you think 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: that this makes makes it hard for governments to do 167 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: business with the White House? 168 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: Oh well, I loved hearing Malcolm Turnbull speak. Yay for 169 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: the days that you know politicians actually said what they 170 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: meant and meant what they say. Of course, he's in 171 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: a different situation now, not being the Prime Minister, and 172 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: that does put a you know, give him a different 173 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: position to be in to speak. But you know, I 174 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: don't know what the saying is, and I should, but 175 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: you've got to speak up for people because if you 176 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: don't or speak against people before, you know, you're the 177 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: only one left and no one's there to speak for you. 178 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 4: Whatever that's saying is you know, and how did Hitler 179 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: take a hold of Europe. I applaud anyone that stands 180 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: up to this orange buffoon to be frank and I 181 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: think that I applaud Malcolm Turnbull. I don't think it 182 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: makes it easy for the Australian government, but hell, politics 183 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 4: isn't easy. 184 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon, Ben? Do you think he 185 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: should call us jets a bit because he might be different, 186 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: if he might be communicating differently if he was actually 187 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: in power, wouldn't he. 188 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we see this quite a lot. I think 189 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 5: in New Zealand as well. Often politicians will sort of say, 190 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 5: you know, what their successes should be doing that you 191 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 5: know they might have done if they had gotten around 192 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 5: to it, although they were a bit quiet at the time. 193 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: And you know, I don't think there's any sort of 194 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 5: particular bravery in speaking up, you know, once you're no 195 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 5: longer in power. I mean that that said, you know, look, 196 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 5: I agree with Ellie. I don't. I don't. I don't think. 197 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: I don't think that we suffer from having people pointing 198 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: out what's happening in the States, which actually is starting 199 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 3: to be you know, to go beyond just you know, 200 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: you're far beyond just sort of buffoonery and the sort 201 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: of o fishness of the first term of the Trump 202 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: administration into something that's really pretty unsettling, you know, really 203 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: authoritarian things happening there in terms of people being detained 204 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 3: without trial. 205 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 2: Well, criticory of judges, calling for impeachment of judges who 206 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: decide against him. It's yeah, I think we have to 207 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: lean in that direction of probably out mark and might 208 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: be right on that one. Hey, Ali and Ben, thanks 209 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: so much. That's been Thomas, former National Party staffer, and 210 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: Ali Jones from red PR that the Huddle will be 211 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: back in just a moment. It's six and a half 212 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: to six. 213 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 214 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 215 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.