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Speaker 1: Kyota.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Donald J.

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Speaker 2: Trump will become the forty seventh president of the United

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Speaker 2: States of America.

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Speaker 3: This will truly be the Golden Age of America.

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Speaker 1: That's what we have done.

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Speaker 2: Democrat Kamala Harris called the former president to congratulate him

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Speaker 2: and offer their support for a peaceful transition of power.

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Speaker 4: A fundamental principle of American democracy is that when we

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Speaker 4: lose an election, we accept the results.

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Speaker 2: Trump won't take up office until January twenty next year,

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Speaker 2: and there are a few things that will happen between

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Speaker 2: now and then. He faces sentencing for his felony conviction

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Speaker 2: for a start that's put down for November twenty six.

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Speaker 2: A judge, though, could decide to throw it out before then.

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Speaker 2: There are then some formalities like appointing some four thousand

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Speaker 2: political positions in a new administration. And it'll be next

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Speaker 2: year when the idea of tariffs will come to the fore,

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Speaker 2: but it's something the rest of the world is already anticipating.

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Speaker 2: On the campaign trial, Trump promised anywhere from ten to

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Speaker 2: twenty percent tariffs on imports. So what does that mean

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand exporters, especially given the US is one

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Speaker 2: of our biggest trading partners. Today on the front page,

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Speaker 2: Beef and Lamb and Z chair Kate Ackland is with

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Speaker 2: us to discuss. But first we speak to nzed US

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Speaker 2: Council Executive Director Fiona Cooper about our blossoming relationship with

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Speaker 2: the United States and why we should probably all take

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Speaker 2: a deep breath. First off, Fiona, what was your initial

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Speaker 2: reaction to the US election result.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been a big build up and it was

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Speaker 4: quite dramatic it. You know, we were watching all the

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Speaker 4: polling of the polls and it became a very strong

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Speaker 4: result for Trump. We went sure where we're even going

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Speaker 4: to get a result on the night, So I guess

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Speaker 4: that's one good thing is that there's a clear outcome

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Speaker 4: and hopefully that paves the way for, you know, a

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Speaker 4: smooth transition of power.

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Speaker 2: What's our relationship with the United States like.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the very good thing is that we

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Speaker 4: have an excellent relationship. It's been growing. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: strong in terms of trade and it's strong right across

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Speaker 4: the board. And New Zealand worked very well with President

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Speaker 4: Trump's first administration, our Foreign Minister Winston Peters, he had

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Speaker 4: strong relationships with his counterparts and he was very engaged

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Speaker 4: with them. And in fact, I certainly am delighted to

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Speaker 4: see that the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Peter's were

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Speaker 4: quick to welcome the result last night and congratulate President

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Speaker 4: Trump on his victory. I think that's good. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: New Zealand's not starting from scratch. We have worked with

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Speaker 4: Trump before and we look forward to working with them again.

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Speaker 2: Well, the New Zealand US trade relationship topped twenty seven

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Speaker 2: point five billion in twenty twenty three. That's no small feet, hey,

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Speaker 2: And it's getting bigger and bigger every year, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Certainly it's now our second largest export market. It's valuable,

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Speaker 4: it's growing, and that's a really good news story because

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Speaker 4: New Zealand companies who export to the United States, they

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Speaker 4: are well known for having high quality, innovative products that

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Speaker 4: their manufacturing. So it's a really good news story. We'd

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Speaker 2: When it comes to tariffs, though, that's the thing that

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Speaker 2: has been a stickler for basically every country in the world.

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Speaker 2: When looking at the results and looking at this election,

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Speaker 2: we actually don't know anything about them really yet, do

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Speaker 4: You know, there's not room for a lot of nuance

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Speaker 4: in election campaigns, so all we've seen is very high

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Speaker 4: level talk about imposing a universal tariff. But we don't

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Speaker 4: have any details, and I would caution against speculating about

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Speaker 4: the tariff policy until it's more fully formed. Trump won't

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Speaker 4: not going to find out the detail until after that.

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Speaker 4: But the policy details do matter, and we'll be looking

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Speaker 4: at it very closely once it's known. You know, the

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Speaker 4: devil will be in the details. It's clear there will

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Speaker 2: I noticed last month in an interview at the Economic

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Speaker 2: Club of Chicago, Trump said, and I quote to me,

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Speaker 2: the most beautiful word in the dictionary is tariff. It

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Speaker 2: needs a public relations FIM.

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Speaker 1: We're going to.

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Speaker 3: Bring the companies back. We're going to lower taxes so

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Speaker 3: in the USA, we're going to protect those companies with

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Speaker 3: strong tariffs. To me, the most beautiful word in the

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Speaker 2: What did you make of that statement.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think New Zealand's trade policies has starts from

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Speaker 4: quite a different angle. New Zealand has spent many years

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Speaker 4: trying to remove tariffs. So that's his perspective, and that's

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Speaker 4: a perspective that he's bringing. We have a different view,

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Speaker 4: and we will certainly be reminding him of the value

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Speaker 4: that New Zealand exports add to the United States market.

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Speaker 2: Is there any possibility that New Zealand, given our notoriously

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Speaker 4: Well, we just don't know. We just don't know, and

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Speaker 4: it's probably not useful to speculate. I mean, we're in

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Speaker 4: the same boat as all of the United States trading partners.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is something that's going to affect everybody,

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Speaker 4: and it's going to be top of mind for all

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Speaker 4: sure that New Zealand companies are thinking about what that

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Speaker 4: possible impacts could be, But none of us can make

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Speaker 4: an informed judgment about that until we see the detail.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for the owner. New Zealand has

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Speaker 2: some of the best beef and lamb in the world,

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Speaker 2: and it's not just us saying that the US is

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Speaker 2: our biggest customer of beef products, bringing in one point

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Speaker 2: seven billion dollars in the year to May. Beef and

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Speaker 2: lamb and Z chair Kate Ackland is with us to

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Speaker 2: discuss what tariffs could mean for this industry. So, Kate,

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Speaker 2: first off, what was your initial reaction to the US

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Speaker 1: Well, Lewis, you know, it's a really important market for US.

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Speaker 1: It's the largest market for beef and for lamb, so

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Speaker 1: of course we were watching the results pretty closely.

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Speaker 2: On the campaign trial I noticed Donald Trump promised either

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Speaker 2: a ten or twenty percent tariff on all US imports,

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Speaker 2: as well as a sixty percent levy on Chinese made products. Now,

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Speaker 2: can you explain to us what that actually means?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the president that made a lot of

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Speaker 1: That comes twenty to January when he's inaugurated. That remains fifteen.

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Speaker 1: What we do know is that we've got really strong

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Speaker 1: with customers. And there's a really strong demand shrubber because

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Speaker 1: our products are quite complimentary rather than a substitute for

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Speaker 1: American beef and lamb. So these sects will stand up

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Speaker 1: in really good stead going forward. But you know, essentially

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Speaker 1: it's a wait and see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, economists worldwide have warned that these tariff

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Speaker 2: to nineteen thirties era levels. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: I think essentially New Zealand no extra confliments. You know,

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Speaker 1: the lean beef that goes into things like McDonald's Bergers

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Speaker 1: for example, actually complements the US production. So you know,

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Speaker 1: any measures against New Zealand farmers will potentially impact US

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Speaker 1: farmers as well. So now as I say that, it's

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Speaker 1: very much a latency approach. Beef and lamb is a

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Speaker 1: US or Washington, DC based trade relationship manager, so you

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Speaker 1: through him, we're able to keep a really close eye

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Speaker 1: on those issues as they arise.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he's going to be pretty busy over the

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Speaker 2: next few months and of course next year as well.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yes he is, So you know we're keeping a

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Speaker 1: over the next few months, just as we try and

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Speaker 2: So the figures from STATS and Z show that in

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Speaker 2: May a rise in exports was led by an increase

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Speaker 2: second biggest export market, with an annual value of eight

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Speaker 2: behind only China seventeen point nine billion. In the year

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Speaker 2: end of June, I noticed that NZ exported nearly two

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Speaker 2: point five billion dollars of meat and edible offal to

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Speaker 2: the US, which included nearly one point six billion alone

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Speaker 2: of frozen beef. What could these kinds of tariffs anywhere

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Speaker 2: from ten to twenty percent. What would that mean for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand exports and especially New Zealand beef.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt that the US is actually our

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Speaker 1: largest market for red meat, for both beef and man.

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Speaker 1: It's a really important market. Eighty five percent of what

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Speaker 1: key ingredients in Hamburger, so there's really strong demand currently

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand. It's got preferential access into the US

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Speaker 1: of what measures could be taken. As I said, it's

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Speaker 1: worth fighting to see. We're keeping it really close on it,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's too early to speculate.

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Speaker 5: We have got to wait till the twentieth of January

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Speaker 5: next year. Also, we have a very very strong case

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Speaker 5: to make ourselves an exception because of the thinness of

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Speaker 2: In terms of what a tariff is, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like a levey or a duty fee to be able

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Speaker 2: I got that right? Yes, you do. So.

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Speaker 1: Under our WCO quoture, we currently pay a lower tariff

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Speaker 2: How devastating could a tariff like that be on our

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Speaker 2: and focus on another country and build that relationship up.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean New zeal One ridmate seats that we

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Speaker 1: export to one hundred markets around the world, and you know,

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Speaker 1: political dynamics change in those markets all the time. So

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Speaker 1: we're really well experienced in dealing with the ambigulity and

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Speaker 1: building strong relationships. But the advantage we have is we

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Speaker 1: strong demand for our product, so it's just going to

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Speaker 1: be over the coming month just building on those relationships.

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Speaker 2: Are there any other markets in the world that you

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Speaker 1: Well, Novelle has a great advantage in how well diversified

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Speaker 1: our trade is. The US, says I said, is currently

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Speaker 1: our biggest market. China is another big market, but various

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Speaker 1: or successive governments have done a really great job of

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Speaker 1: nego sharing some good trade guild So we've just seen

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Speaker 1: the GCC come through in the last week. It's not

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Speaker 1: a huge market for us, but it's a really good, strong,

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Speaker 1: think fits us really well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've got to have some of the best

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