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Speaker 1: Wasn't this always going to end up being a problem.

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Speaker 1: Turns out a lot of Kiwis who bailed for the

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Speaker 1: green green Grass of Australia have struck trouble. So Gold

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Speaker 1: Coast Charity is telling us too many are arriving ill prepared,

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Speaker 1: without jobs, without housing, without savings. In some cases the

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Speaker 1: charity itself a funding return flight. David Cooper is the

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Speaker 1: CEO and director of the New Zealand Immigration Partners and

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Speaker 1: with Us. David, morning to you, Good morning mate. Is

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Speaker 1: this an insight into a slice of trans Tasman movement

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Speaker 1: that's probably always been the case. In other words, people

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Speaker 1: just go out, Sonny, the beer is a bit cheaper.

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Speaker 1: I might try my luck over there.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I think that's true, Mike. I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of surprises for people that jump across the

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Speaker 2: Tasman things they haven't thought about, and they get surprised

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Speaker 2: higher taxes, some things are more expensive, their cars, registering

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Speaker 2: a car, ensuring a car, a lot of hidden taxes

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Speaker 2: that they don't know about, and it all comes a

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Speaker 2: bit of a shock.

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Speaker 1: What percentage do you reckon of all the people into

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Speaker 1: is not diminishing? How big a problem this says, but

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Speaker 1: what percentage of people that have left this country haven't

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Speaker 1: done their homework? In other words, they are a bit sick.

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Speaker 2: Ah, look hard to put a number on it. I

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Speaker 2: guess something like twenty twenty five percent, because it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit like you know, keywas that have always done

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Speaker 2: are ease to whether it's Australia or the UK or Europe.

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Speaker 2: I think that there is a fair slice of people

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Speaker 2: who get surprised.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do? I mean, is this going

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Speaker 1: to be is is this a problem for Australia or

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Speaker 1: is this eventually going to be a problem for us

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Speaker 1: as they lob back look for a job and can't

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Speaker 1: find one here either.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't think so, because I do think

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of people who go do their homework.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've had two children go to Australia if

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Speaker 2: they got jobs lined up before they got there, they

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Speaker 2: got accommodation sorted and it all worked out, and then

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Speaker 2: totally I think that's very true. Are there going to

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Speaker 2: be people that get burnt and come back? Absolutely? There

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Speaker 2: are also people, and this is something that people don't

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Speaker 2: talk about very much, who actually a great to Australia

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Speaker 2: from other countries of the world don't like it and

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Speaker 2: move to New Zealand and they have very successful lives here.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I just I find it personally inconceivable that I

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Speaker 1: would go and move countries with no idea of what

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Speaker 1: awaits me when I land, or am I just weird?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think you are well. Others may have

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Speaker 2: a different roo. But look, I think I think the

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Speaker 2: fact is that, you know, there are people who think

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Speaker 2: it's the lucky country and there are jobs everywhere and

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Speaker 2: it's all going to work out, and the fact is

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Speaker 2: it doesn't. And you know, I get disillusion because New

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Speaker 2: Zealand we're so good at bashing ourselves, but gosh, we

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Speaker 2: live in one of the best countries of the world

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Speaker 2: and we need to appreciate it a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: And mister Trump's not after Stuart Island. What more could

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Speaker 2: we ask?

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Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Your sense broadeness out, your

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Speaker 1: sense of the year in terms of demand come to

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Speaker 1: this country and arrivals and immigration. How do you think

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Speaker 1: the story's going to unfold?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think the demand is only increasing. We've started

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Speaker 2: the year off with the phones really burning hot, particularly

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Speaker 2: that invest of visa that's been very successful. We're not

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Speaker 2: far off hitting three billion dollars in less than a year. Mike.

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Speaker 2: The interest in New Zealand is definitely growing and he

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Speaker 2: has to do more.

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Speaker 1: Good good good. Nice to talk to you, David. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk again throughout the year, I'm sure. David Cooper, who's

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Speaker 1: the CEO and director of New Zealand Immigration Partners, Just

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Speaker 1: for the record, although he alluded to the fact that

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Speaker 1: there could be people who think I'm slightly weird, that's

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Speaker 1: not true. It's official too. My mate Sebastian wrote to

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Speaker 1: me over the weekend and he said, I'm off to Brisbane.

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Speaker 1: His partner had been laid off and restructuring. He said,

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Speaker 1: we're off to Brisbane. He's a bright guy. Partner's bright

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Speaker 1: person and they will land well and do okay. But

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Speaker 1: I just thought, jeez, you know when one partner gets

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Speaker 1: laid off, you have the discussion and you think, do

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Speaker 1: we go to Australia? Still obviously a thing, and I

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Speaker 1: wished him the very best. He supplies my wine.

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Speaker 2: So he knows You're weird for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, exactly so he I'm and I'm in the market

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Speaker 1: for a new a new supplier. As they say.

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