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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplic ellan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected Newstalk.

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Speaker 2: Said b.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, kiwibanks Jared Kerr

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Speaker 3: on why the GDP data means we now need a

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Speaker 3: double official cash right Cup next month. Jury is still

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Speaker 3: making up its mind in the Philip poulkinghorn case. We're

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Speaker 3: going to go to court and raz has made a

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Speaker 3: few changes to his starting squad against the Wallabies. We

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Speaker 3: have a chat to tire our Lomax about.

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Speaker 2: That good Heather duplesiclo.

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Speaker 3: The GDP number is out and as expected, we went

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Speaker 3: backwards in the second quarter of this year zero point

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Speaker 3: two percent. If there is some good news in that number,

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Speaker 3: we didn't go as far backwards as we thought we

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Speaker 3: were going to go. Many were predicting, including the Reserve Bank,

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Speaker 3: we may go as far backwards as zero point five

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Speaker 3: percent into the negative. We didn't do that, So there

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Speaker 3: is a little bit of a bright side here now.

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Speaker 3: It has become something of a habit of mine in

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Speaker 3: the last fee while two. Every time we get the

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Speaker 3: with my brother's business, because I feel like my brother's

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Speaker 3: business is actually following what's going on in the economy

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Speaker 3: quite remarkably at the moment. So as you know, he's

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Speaker 3: got a business. They set up a shop on Ponsby

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Speaker 3: just wasn't worth it anymore. They he and his business

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Speaker 3: partner are a real life example of what happened in

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Speaker 3: the middle of that, people haven't got money, they're not spending.

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Speaker 3: Retailers can't pay their rent, so they shut They stop

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Speaker 3: spending with their suppliers, they stop hiring staff, and those

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Speaker 3: that is basically what happens in the economy, and what

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Speaker 3: that GDP number means. We have now each of us

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Speaker 3: as in per capita, we have now gone backwards for

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Speaker 3: seven consecutive quarters annually. The per capita decline in GDP

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Speaker 3: is two point seven percent. That is really significant, right,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot that we've lost. Kiwi Bank reckons this

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Speaker 3: is basically two years of recession. Now, it's not technically

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Speaker 3: two years of recession because it's up and down, up

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean the technical doesn't meet the technical definition of

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Speaker 3: what a recession is. But it really is two years

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Speaker 3: a really hard slog for this country. And it has

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Speaker 3: been hard, hasn't it. It's been really, really tough. So

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Speaker 3: here's the good news. There are signs that it's getting better.

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Speaker 3: Consumer confidences up, business confidences up. My brother's business didn't

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Speaker 3: shut down altogether. They stayed online. Their sales have started

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Speaker 3: ticking up, particularly this month. The trend lines that they

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Speaker 3: are seeing are headed all in the right direction. And

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Speaker 3: so what they're going to do now is they're going

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Speaker 3: to open a shop again. What does that tell me?

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Speaker 3: It tells me that yep, man, it's been hard. We're

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Speaker 3: not imagining it. We don't even need the numbers to

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Speaker 3: tell us how heart it's been. But we are all

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Speaker 3: now very obviously headed in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duer seen.

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Speaker 3: The text number as I say. Jared kurve Keywibank will

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Speaker 3: be with us after five o'clock or why we need

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Speaker 3: that double cut from the Reserve Bank. Well, the government

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Speaker 3: on something else, wants to reduce the number of jury trials,

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Speaker 3: basically to be able to get through the backlock in

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Speaker 3: the court system. Government's proposing to increase the offense threshold

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Speaker 3: at which are defendant is able to have a jury trial.

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Speaker 3: Currently you have to be charged with a crime that

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Speaker 3: carries a maximum penalty of two years or more in prison,

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Speaker 3: then you can elect for a jury trial. Justice Minister

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith.

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Speaker 4: Is with us now, Hey, Paul good A, how are.

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Speaker 3: You going well? Thank you? So your alternatives to two

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Speaker 4: I actually don't have a preference at this stage. My

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Speaker 4: main concern is that too many people are having their

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Speaker 4: waiting for a resolution to their problems. That the times

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Speaker 4: speed up processes of the courts and we're pulling many leavers,

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Speaker 4: trying many different things. One of the things that has

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Speaker 4: for jury trials, and so we're just asking the question

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Speaker 4: going out for consultation to say, well, it's said at

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Speaker 4: two years currently, what do people think about three years,

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Speaker 4: five years, or seven years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised actually at the two years thing, because that's

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Speaker 3: some pretty low level crimes that basically qualify you for

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Speaker 3: a jury, right.

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Speaker 2: That's right me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it takes a lot longer. So I mean,

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Speaker 4: you'll just give you an idea. The average duration of

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Speaker 4: the case has gone from three hundred and fifty days,

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Speaker 4: so you know, nearly a year to nearly five hundred days.

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Speaker 3: Soldom that's not like, that's not the duration of the trial.

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Speaker 3: That's right from first appearance all the way through to

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Speaker 3: the conclusion.

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Speaker 4: Right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean it's a

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Speaker 4: long drawn out process. So yeah, I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: it's a reasonable question to ask there will be arguments

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Speaker 4: around three years, five years, or seven years. Seven years

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Speaker 4: would be a big change, and it would certainly have

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Speaker 4: a huge impact on the overall efficiency of the court.

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Speaker 4: But of course you've got to balance that against you know,

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Speaker 4: don't think it'll be an interesting discussion. I certainly I

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Speaker 4: think we should lift it. It's just a question of

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Speaker 3: What kind of a crime are we talking about that

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Speaker 3: carry seven years in jail?

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Speaker 4: Well, things like tax evasion yeah, and assault, yes, and

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Speaker 4: so five years for thinking of things like aggravated assault,

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Speaker 4: and three years it would be things like you know,

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Speaker 4: driving well disqualified with excess breath alcohol.

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Speaker 3: So if you should go for a jury, if you've

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Speaker 3: just been pink boozing behind the web, yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: If you if you lift it to three years, you

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Speaker 5: And the further you go on, didn't.

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Speaker 3: You just say didn't you just say? Though boozing being

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Speaker 4: If we lifted it to three years, it's a maximum

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Speaker 2: If we lifted it to three.

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Speaker 4: Years, they would be exclu and you wouldn't have the

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Speaker 3: Yeah too. Right, all right, Now, your other problem though,

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Speaker 3: is if we go okay, we're not going to have jurism.

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Speaker 3: We need judges and we're short on judges, aren't we.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, you still need to judge for a jury trial.

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Speaker 4: It's a much more drawn out bran.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's true, that is true. You just you're basically

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Speaker 3: double parts there, aren't you, with the jury and a judge.

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Speaker 3: But you're still going to get some judge. You're going

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Speaker 4: Yes, yep, yep, yep. But yeah, just just just for context,

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Speaker 4: you know, my three priorities as Justice Minister is about

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Speaker 4: dealing with that small group of serious youth of things.

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Speaker 4: And then the third one is the broader systemic challenge

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Speaker 4: the family bought to the coroners. It's everything where you know,

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Speaker 4: too many and being held up. So you know, that's

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Speaker 4: that's the priorities. And a billion other things I could

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Speaker 4: be doing, could be reducing the voting age to sixteen

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Speaker 4: and doing all sorts of neey things like the previous

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Speaker 6: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm focused on these core things because I think the

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Speaker 4: other things that really matter.

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Speaker 3: How are you going with your gang patch band, well.

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Speaker 4: Just partner, it's just passing it right now. So we

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Speaker 4: November and so police will be able to have some

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Speaker 4: more tools in their kit to handle the gangs that

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Speaker 4: are causing so much mayhem. And how can.

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Speaker 3: You you're still got that bit in there where we're

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Speaker 3: going to crack down on them in the house.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well that's right, and so that's just for gangs.

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Speaker 4: If you've got a gang patch and you've been convicted

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Speaker 4: three times more than five years for flouting the van,

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Speaker 4: then you're facing escalating consequences and that's pretty uncomfortable, but

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Speaker 4: we think it's appropriate.

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Speaker 3: Paul, thank you, appreciate your time. Man, look after yourself.

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Speaker 3: That's Paul Goldsmith, who is the Justice Minister. Razors announced

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Speaker 3: his new squad and I'll tell you what he's chopping

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Speaker 3: and changing all over the shop. So we'll talk to

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Speaker 3: Darcy Waldgrave about that very shortly. Are you going to

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Speaker 3: see some new official vehicles on the road? Love me

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Speaker 3: an official vehicle? Hey, don't you pothole vans? Actually this

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Speaker 3: feels this feels like efficiency. I feel like this is efficiency.

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Speaker 3: Simon's rolling out five pothole vans. Now what they're going

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Speaker 3: and which bits of the road need to be patched

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Speaker 3: up and stuff. Now you've got to say that that's

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Speaker 3: a smarter idea than having punters just drive around in

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Speaker 3: the car going, let me see with my own little eyes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: oh there's one. Hold on, let's get out and let's

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Speaker 3: you know, you can see that a pothole van is

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Speaker 3: going to is just this is This is technology and action.

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Speaker 3: There'll be five of them. One's going to be in

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Speaker 3: Auckland and Northland. One's going to cover the central North Island.

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Speaker 3: top of the South is and we're catching a ferry

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Speaker 3: a fair But the fourth one's going to do the

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Speaker 3: rest of the South and South Island. And then they're

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Speaker 3: gonna have a backup van as well. And every road,

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Speaker 3: every sealed road has to be inspected at least once

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Speaker 3: every two years, and every high maintenance road and like

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Speaker 3: a high class road they call it high class. That's

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Speaker 3: going to have to be done every year. I'm on

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Speaker 3: board with this. Whatever it takes to get the old

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Speaker 3: potholes fixed, I love it. Quarter past.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: aland drive with one new zealand one giant leaf for

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Speaker 1: business use. Dogs that'd be sport with the new tap

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Speaker 1: have downloaded today BT responsibly.

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Speaker 3: Garci water graves with us A Darcy.

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Speaker 7: I feel like beating responsibly with me.

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Speaker 3: Heather, what are we betting on this week?

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Speaker 7: I've decided to throw some money at the English Premier League.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well because basically I know nothing about it

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Speaker 7: and so for me it's like you just go okay,

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Speaker 7: I like that. I'll just jud what I do. Right,

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Speaker 7: So sit there, who are almost unbeatable from what I can,

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Speaker 3: Are you okay? What do you make of Cortez Rasima

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Speaker 7: Tonight we'll talk with Elliot Smithy're going to talk in

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Speaker 8: Well forward to me.

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Speaker 9: Awesome, it's going to be great week.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much, dars okay, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: That's Darcy Walter Grave, SportsTalk Coast. He'll be back at seven.

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Speaker 10: I'm falling a pot ride in front of pad of.

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Speaker 3: An O eight hundred pothole number would be cheaper, accompanied

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: A fresh wave of attacks have rocked Lebanon, with walkie

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Speaker 12: This aggression certainly has its own punishment and retribution. This

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Speaker 3: To the US. Now where former President Donald Trump's been

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Speaker 13: People love her.

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Speaker 2: First lady, go out and get a book. She just

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Speaker 9: I didn't so busy.

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Speaker 13: It's great.

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Speaker 14: And if she says bad things about me, I'll.

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Speaker 13: Call you all up and I'll say, don't buy it.

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Speaker 3: Then his former lawyer, Rudy Rudy Giuliani came in hot

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Speaker 3: If there's anybody behind it, I'll find them. I did

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Speaker 3: if that man came looking for you. And finally, bigger, better, bigger.

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Speaker 3: A sixteen year old from Michigan has entered the World

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Speaker 3: Record books for the largest hands and feet of a

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Murriold's Assie correspondents with us AMAS good Afterening Heather. So

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Speaker 10: Four point two percent, that's right, fifty thousand jobs, just

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Speaker 10: But what it does is add to the consensus over

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Speaker 10: don't think so. A lot of moving parts and all

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Speaker 3: Here can tell me about the some massive drug bust

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Speaker 10: Oh, this is like out of a Tom Cruise film.

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Speaker 10: They've got weapons, They've got eight hundred thousand bucks in cash,

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Speaker 16: It's on the streets of Sydney, muss.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that seems like a huge amount of coke

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Speaker 10: Well, it would certainly a strangle opposition. And the background

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Speaker 3: Do you see the guns that Do you see the

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Speaker 16: Yeah, what's that called?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, muz, but that's pink. So these guys

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Speaker 10: They got a bit of more front than George Street

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Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, what are you reckons is going to happen?

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Speaker 10: Look, it's I'm an all Black fan. I believe black,

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Speaker 10: from the RGIS, you'd have to think New Zealand's going

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Speaker 10: to start red hot favorites and sitting on Saturday night.

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Speaker 10: But you know there's a beware the wounded Wallaby. I mean, really,

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Speaker 10: a James Slipper going to become the most capped Australian

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Speaker 10: rugby union player ever if he comes off the bench

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Speaker 10: one hundred and forty test matches. He's currently equal with

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Speaker 10: George Gregan, and that we love to hate George Gregan.

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Speaker 10: There's a brand new halfback combination Nick White and Noah

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Speaker 10: La Lacio coming back into the Joe Schmidt team. But

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Speaker 10: sixty seven points to twenty seven when the Wallaby is

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Speaker 10: led I think was at twenty points to three and

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Speaker 10: they got flogged in the second half. So look, some

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Speaker 10: new faces, some firepower coming back from injury. And here's

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Speaker 10: the thing. At some point, Heather, the Wallabies are going

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Speaker 10: to end this letters Low Cup horror run of twenty

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Speaker 10: two years. I love rubbing it into my Aussie mates.

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Speaker 10: I just adore it. But it's going to come to

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Speaker 10: an end at some point. Who knows is that this year?

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Speaker 10: Look I don't think so, but stranger things have happened.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you. Even if it does come to an end,

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Speaker 3: it's only coming to an end because you've got a

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Speaker 3: Kiwi coach, right, So you can keep rubbing that on

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Speaker 3: in Mauz. Thank you so much, appreciate it. Murray Ozsie, correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Apparently the thing is called the slide. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's what name just it's on the on

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Speaker 3: the label, isn't it. It slides backwards and forwards. It

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Speaker 3: is called a slide. Thank you for that. Now, Chippy

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Speaker 3: is in the UK at the moment, so Carmel's in charge.

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Speaker 3: So on her way walking around Parliament today, the journo's

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Speaker 3: bowled up to her and they wanted to talk to

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Speaker 3: her about the Gang Patch band because it hadn't yet

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Speaker 3: come into it hadn't yet been passed us obviously been

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Speaker 3: past now I'd hadn't at the time, and so they

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Speaker 3: were like, how are you going to vote?

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Speaker 8: And this is.

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Speaker 3: It was a secret. Apparently will be voting in favor.

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Speaker 2: Of the Game's bill today.

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Speaker 14: Oh good question.

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Speaker 3: I guess you have to wait to her in the house.

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Speaker 3: What We've been talking about this for six months. But

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Speaker 3: Carmel sounds like she's not sure, but she's actually in charge.

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Speaker 3: Est happins in the country right now. I think he

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Speaker 3: left last night.

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Speaker 13: So you're the acting leader.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us the Labor Party's position on the

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Speaker 3: Gangs Bill?

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Speaker 17: Please let our spokespersons speak to that. There's some changes

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Speaker 17: that we need to.

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Speaker 13: Mass the point of a letter if they don't know all.

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Speaker 3: Of the spokespeople.

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Speaker 17: Oh no, no, no, but the leader is allowed to

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Speaker 17: say let the spokesperson speak.

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Speaker 3: But the more that this went on, the more obvious

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Speaker 3: it became. Carmel, I actually didn't know. Is it is

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Speaker 3: it that you don't know or have your mind?

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Speaker 17: I think this is a conversation I didn't have with

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Speaker 17: the spokesperson before we came down here, and so.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather go to the spokesperson. Boy, Carmel hasn't been

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Speaker 3: paying attention, has she. Carmel has not been paying attention

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Speaker 3: to one of the things that Labor has been talking

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Speaker 3: about most loudly lately. So that's why Carmel went on

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Speaker 3: Treasure Island, because well she's just doing nothing otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two politics with centrics credit check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, is with us right now. Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Hither.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the gang patch ban has finally passed. That's

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Speaker 3: done in Dustin Ow.

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Speaker 9: Well just passed. Yeah, And it's interesting. There were a

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Speaker 9: couple of aspects to the bill that really upset its opponents,

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Speaker 9: And I was fascinated by Carmel Seppaloni not knowing which

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Speaker 9: way the Labor Party was going to vote. Give me break.

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Speaker 3: We've known rout, can you be.

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Speaker 7: I don't know where she was.

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Speaker 9: I don't know where her head was, but it was

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Speaker 9: somewhere down Treasure Island, I'm sure. But I mean, it's

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Speaker 9: incredible that there are two aspects to this bill that

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Speaker 9: have come to the fall recently. And one was and

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Speaker 9: the latest one was gang patches and cars. People running

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Speaker 9: around were displaying them within cars. Well that's now been covered,

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Speaker 9: so of the gang patches. On the third conviction for

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Speaker 9: having a game packs, the cops can go into your

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Speaker 9: house and pick it up. Well, Paul Goldsmith and I

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Speaker 9: heard him on your program just a short while ago.

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Speaker 9: He faced a number of questions in Parliament this afternoon

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Speaker 9: about that police ability to raide homes looking for gang insignia.

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Speaker 9: Now Taku Tai tash Camp from the Mali Party told

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Speaker 9: him it breached human rights.

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Speaker 18: Dealing with gangs who pedal misery is in the benefit

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Speaker 18: of all New Zealanders, including Malji.

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Speaker 3: Banning gang pictures from Marai and Tangi Hana is an

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Speaker 3: invasion of Manamotu Haaky and a gross breach of Tatariti

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Speaker 3: or wait.

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Speaker 18: We are limiting the freedom of expression of gang members

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Speaker 18: to where their patches in public. That's a statement of fact.

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Speaker 18: But we're also concerned about the rights of ordinary New

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Speaker 18: Zealanders to go about their lives without fear and without

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Speaker 18: having to deal with the intimidation and the trouble and

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Speaker 18: chaos in metium that gang's cause across our community.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the statistics relating to gangs are terrible. But later,

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Speaker 9: of course they moved on to debating the third and

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Speaker 9: final reading of the bill making the moves against gang's

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Speaker 9: law and allowing police to raid those homes for gang patches.

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Speaker 9: That's incensed labors duncan web.

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Speaker 19: Nos can be known about that searches can be intrusive,

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Speaker 19: disruptive and traumatic for children and other farno who reside

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Speaker 19: with a person who is subject to the search.

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Speaker 20: Whilst some of our homes may be our castles, that

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Speaker 20: fundamental principle of the sanctity of a private residence has

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Speaker 20: been utterly undercut and undermined.

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Speaker 19: What is the risk of someone's gang insignia a bandanna,

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Speaker 19: a ring, a jacket, sitting in a wardrobe? Where is

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Speaker 19: the harm? Where is the victim? There isn't one there's

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Speaker 19: no harm and no victim.

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Speaker 9: This maybe why camal Sepaloni was a little confused.

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 9: Well, they're all over the bloody place on this one. Honestly,

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Speaker 9: they just have to find something to complain about, and

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Speaker 9: a gang ring. I don't know whether that would be

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Speaker 9: covered by the legislation.

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Speaker 3: Now. I see that Barbara Edmonds of the Labour Party

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Speaker 3: has been having a crack at Nicola Willison the National Party,

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Speaker 3: blaming them for what's happening in the economy at the moment,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that's going to land, do you know?

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, we know how these statistics lag, and

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Speaker 9: you know there was revision to the December twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: three quarter and that showed that technically the country wasn't

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Speaker 9: in recession. So you know, we can now say, thankfully

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Speaker 9: that we moved out of it. But did we really?

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's I guess that'll go on being debated

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Speaker 9: by economists. But look, it's you know that when you

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Speaker 9: look at the pickup in economic activity, it hasn't been great.

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Speaker 9: You've seen a fallaway in construction. Everybody knew that was

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Speaker 9: the case. You see decline and retail and wholesale businesses,

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Speaker 9: and I think you alluded to those earlier. I guess

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Speaker 9: now the focus will go there's a bit more spending

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Speaker 9: from the public, but the focus will now go on

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Speaker 9: the Reserve Bank and whether they look at more cutting

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Speaker 9: to the ocr which will be easy. People's people struggling

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Speaker 9: to pay their mortgage interest rates, and you'd have to say,

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Speaker 9: if they do that, that's a good thing, because people

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Speaker 9: don't have a lot of money to play with these days.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a long time at all, but just

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Speaker 3: tell me really quickly, what's going on with this resolutionary Israel?

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Speaker 16: Well, New Zealand backed it.

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Speaker 9: Actually I had a bit of audio, but I won't

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Speaker 9: play it was Old Winston on his feet about it.

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Speaker 9: But New Zealand was one of one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 9: four countries that supported the United Nations General Assembly resolution.

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Speaker 9: Are telling the Palestinian are telling Israel to get out

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Speaker 9: of Palestine occupied territories within a year, and you know

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Speaker 9: we agree with that. He was questioned about it in

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Speaker 9: Parliament this afternoon, but he probably told us what we

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Speaker 9: already know, that we support a two state solution to

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Speaker 9: this terrible problem in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: And Steph Barry, thank you. Barry So for seeing your

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Speaker 3: political correspondence. Seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Five, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, some mic asking.

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Speaker 18: Breakfast it's the man behind charter schools, of course is

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Speaker 18: David's Mornings Will there's.

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Speaker 21: People like to put about this information and try and

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Speaker 21: say that they're getting funded at a higher rate. People

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Speaker 21: need to ask themselves why is that. One of the

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Speaker 21: biggest differences with charters is that we are giving them

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Speaker 21: the ability to hire teachers. They have to be registered,

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Speaker 21: but they don't have to be on the union contracts. Now,

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Speaker 21: if you're the PPTA or the MZDI, a successful group

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Speaker 21: of schools that have individual employment agreements are an existential threat.

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Speaker 21: This is the beginning, the middle, and the end of

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Speaker 21: the charter school debate. The unions aren't afraid the charter

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Speaker 21: schools will fail. They are petrified that they're going to succeed.

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Speaker 21: And I think they just might because the children need it.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the Jaguar fa is used talk zb.

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Speaker 3: Cricket's got a bit of a rain delay going on

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Speaker 3: at the moment, so I will keep you posting on that.

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Speaker 3: As to whether they get back to playing. And the

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Speaker 3: jury in the Polkinghorn trial have been discharged and they've

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Speaker 3: gone home for the day and they won't be there tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: They're only resuming again on Monday to pick up their

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Speaker 3: deliberations again. And this is because one of them has

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Speaker 3: a prior commitment tomorrow, so we'll have a check. Michael Morra,

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Speaker 3: who's the Herald journalist who's basically on jury watch the moment.

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Speaker 3: He'll be with us from court very shortly. Tyrell Lomax

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us in twenty minutes time.

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Speaker 3: He's the tight head prop for the All Blacks. He's

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Speaker 3: the one who got sent off. We won't raise this.

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Speaker 3: We won't raise this. He's the one who got the

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Speaker 3: yellow card at the end of the game and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I didn't go very well did it. Anyway, We're not

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Speaker 3: going to raise that though, because we've got heaps to

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Speaker 3: talk to him about, like all the chopping and changing

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Speaker 3: it's going on with Raisin and stuff. So he's with

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Speaker 3: us in twenty minutes time. Darling Tanna, now I know

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Speaker 3: you love your Darling Tana updates and I know, and

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Speaker 3: they're few and far between because she didn't do a lot,

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Speaker 3: but she did have a moment today in the house

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Speaker 3: so very excited for her. She got up, she got

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Speaker 3: a chance to ask a question. It was at the

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Speaker 3: very end of the estimates debate and sitting in the

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Speaker 3: speakers chair was Greg O'Connor and he said, it's your turn, Darling,

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Speaker 3: it's the chair.

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Speaker 20: Darling tanna, thank you, mister chair, noting that my questions

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Speaker 20: regarding the operating costs and.

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Speaker 2: The sorry time for this debate has now expire.

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Speaker 3: Darling gets up to ask a question. She never gets

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Speaker 3: a question. She gets up to ask a question. She

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Speaker 3: didn't even start to ask a questions telling us what

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Speaker 3: a question is like cutting off. Well, let's does that

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Speaker 3: sum up? Darling in the house, though, I like, oh,

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Speaker 3: good on your mate. At least she tried.

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Speaker 9: What a fail?

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Speaker 3: All right, what are we doing next? Jared Kerr on

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Speaker 3: GDP News Talk said.

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Speaker 2: B.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis

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Speaker 1: together due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 1: get connected.

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Speaker 2: And news Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. To the surprise of absolutely no one, the

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Speaker 3: economy has shrunk again. GDP was down zero point two

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Speaker 3: percent in the second quarter of the year. Retail trade, accommodation, agriculture, forestry, fishery, fishing,

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Speaker 3: and wholesale trade industries all foul. Jared ker is Kiwibank's

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Speaker 3: chief economist, and with us Now, hey, Jared, Hi, Matte,

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Speaker 3: it's good to talk to you again. You reckon this

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Speaker 3: basically is getting us very close to, if not already

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Speaker 3: at two years of recession.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it is.

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Speaker 22: We think we'll see another contraction in the current quarter,

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Speaker 22: so that'll bring it on two years.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that's the number that hurts the

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Speaker 3: most is the per capita GDP fall of two point

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Speaker 3: seven percent. How significant is that?

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Speaker 22: It is very significant. We have seen quite a spike

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Speaker 22: in migration over the twenty twenty three but when we

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Speaker 22: chop it up and look on a per capita basis,

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Speaker 22: we saw a four point five in the quarter and

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Speaker 22: we're down four point six from twenty twenty two levels.

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Speaker 22: That's significant, and that's worse than what we saw during

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Speaker 22: the GFC.

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Speaker 3: When does this turn around? When do we start seeing

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Speaker 3: per capita growth again?

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Speaker 22: God late next year, I think, But I think the

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Speaker 22: reserve banks put a stake in the ground by sort

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Speaker 22: of cutting in August, and I think that'll mark the

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Speaker 22: turning point. Discussions with businesses and households since then has seen,

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Speaker 22: you know, people lift their heads and look to next

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Speaker 22: year with a bit more optimism.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon the Reserve Bank does next month?

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Speaker 22: I think they cut twenty five. I think they should

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Speaker 22: cut fifty. We saw the shed come out this morning

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Speaker 22: with a fifty f basis point rate cut. They're clearly

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Speaker 22: willing to cut a little faster than we are, and

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Speaker 22: I think we need to do the same. You know,

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Speaker 22: we can't forget that interstrate cuts today take up to

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Speaker 22: eighteen months to feed through, so you're setting policy for

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Speaker 22: the start of twenty twenty six. I think they need

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Speaker 22: to get cracking good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Jered really appreciated. Jared Kirkyey Banks chief economist.

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Speaker 2: He the dup see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The jury has just finished the first day of deliberations

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Speaker 3: in the murder trial against Philip Pulkinghorn. They asked to

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Speaker 3: hear two piece of audio. The first was his one

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Speaker 3: one one call he sobbed loudly when it was replayed

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Speaker 3: in court, and the second was the secret recording of

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Speaker 3: Pauline Hannah's conversation with her immediate family.

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Speaker 13: Beyonest, I considered just chucking myself.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. No, no, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know either. But actually I love my husband, but he

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Speaker 3: is somebody who is very angry with the world when

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Speaker 3: the world doesn't go his way. Harold. Journalist Michael morraw

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Speaker 3: is with us from the High Court in Auckland. Hay,

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Speaker 3: Michael good a head the he go, well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: How upset was for the Polkinghorn when he was listening

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Speaker 3: to that one one one call?

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Speaker 23: Well, he was so upset that the judge had to

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Speaker 23: call for the proceedings to be put on hold. Essentially,

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Speaker 23: it was near the ending of that recording, the triple

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Speaker 23: one call, and Polkinghorn, who's not in the dock but

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Speaker 23: position behind his lawyer Ron Mansfield, started crying pretty loudly.

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Speaker 23: He was hunched over with his head in his hands

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Speaker 23: and a tissue over his face and yeah. The judge

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Speaker 23: called for a break in proceedings and a security guard

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Speaker 23: lead Polkinghorn out into a room out the back of

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Speaker 23: the court and his lawyer Ron Mansfield followed after he

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Speaker 23: had composed himself. We heard that second recording which have

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Speaker 23: just played in which Pauline described her husband as a

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Speaker 23: sex fiend who was seeing escorts, and she described this

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Speaker 23: in the recording as his malfunction and said, as you

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Speaker 23: heard that Polkinghorn was an angry man, but that she

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Speaker 23: still loved him. And during this recording again Polkinghorn sat

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Speaker 23: at the back of the court with his head buried

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Speaker 23: in his hands.

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Speaker 3: Any indication as to why they wanted to hear that audio.

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Speaker 23: The jury, there was no explanation given in court, but

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Speaker 23: it was signaled from early on that they wanted to

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Speaker 23: hit these two pieces of audio again. I guess it's

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Speaker 23: because A it's Pauline king about her husband and doctor

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Speaker 23: Polkinghorn speaking as soon as he says he found her body.

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Speaker 3: Is this a complex case so we're expecting them to

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Speaker 3: take quite a while with the deliberations or not.

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Speaker 23: Well, it's a it's a relatively complex case, and that

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Speaker 23: the Crown's case is circumstantial. So the jury has to

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Speaker 23: has to look at this case because the onus is

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Speaker 23: on the crown right and so they have to be sure.

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Speaker 23: They can't be they can't think it's likely or even

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Speaker 23: highly likely, that he's murdered his wife. They need to

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Speaker 23: be sure about this. And because it's a circumstantial case,

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Speaker 23: the crown case is built on multiple pieces of evidence

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Speaker 23: that put together like a puzzle. You know, the Crown

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Speaker 23: says would confirm that he is indeed guilty of murder.

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Speaker 23: But you know they have to go through all those

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Speaker 23: different parts. You know, some juries act pretty swiftly, others,

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Speaker 23: you know, take a very long time. But as we

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Speaker 23: know that, the judge said, this will take as long

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Speaker 23: as it takes.

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Speaker 2: Now, deliberations will not continue tomorrow.

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Speaker 23: A juror had a long standing commitment that had made

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Speaker 23: the judge aware of previously and so they will have

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Speaker 23: a long weekend and return on Monday at eleven am

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Speaker 23: to continue deliberations.

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Speaker 3: Stuff. Michael, thank you appreciate your time. That's Michael Morrow,

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Speaker 3: the Herald journalist who is at the High Court in

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Speaker 3: Auckland at the moment thirteen past five.

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Speaker 2: Heather due for Clas hi.

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Speaker 3: Roll Lomax of the All Blacks is going to be

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Speaker 3: us next on the squad that's just been announced today

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Speaker 3: for facing the Wallabies this weekend. Speaking of long weekends,

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Speaker 3: public servants in Wellington got some good news for you yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We're talking on the show about the fact that these

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Speaker 3: guys need to be sent back to the office. Like

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Speaker 3: the rest of us in the private sector, you know,

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Speaker 3: you've got to put in the hours, and like Amazon's doing,

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Speaker 3: and like the New South Wales government's doing, blah blah blah. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I've heard through the grapevine that the government is talking

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Speaker 3: about what they want to do about getting public servants

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Speaker 3: back to work.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the detail. I don't know if they're

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Speaker 3: thinking full Amazon five days a week, or if they're

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Speaker 3: thinking about maybe four days a week, or if they're

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Speaker 3: thinking about mixing it up so that the public servants

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Speaker 3: can't take their long weekends and work in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the week and then take their Mondays and Fridays

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Speaker 3: off so they can go over the Rematakas and have

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Speaker 3: a nice time at Riversale Beach or you know, up

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Speaker 3: the Carpety coast or something. I don't quite know what

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Speaker 3: they're thinking here, but it sounds like something's coming for

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Speaker 3: the public servants. So if I was a public servant,

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Speaker 3: I'd be starting to get ready to go back to

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Speaker 3: the office a little bit more. We will watch the

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Speaker 3: Space fourteen past five. Hey, it's nearly international Hobby Day.

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Speaker 3: I know who knew. It's a global holiday and to

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Speaker 3: celebrate the new epic stage production, The Lord of the

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Speaker 3: Rings has eighty nine dollar tickets for sale until Monday

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Speaker 3: midnight This Sunday, The Lord of the Rings will return

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Speaker 3: home to Middle Earth to capture our imagination at hearts

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Speaker 3: enchant both lifelong fans and also new generations. The Lord

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Speaker 3: of the Rings, a Musical Tale, will premiere at the

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Speaker 3: Civic in Auckland from the fifth of November. So getting

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Speaker 3: quick because these tickets are going to get snapped up.

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Speaker 3: for cee Ellen Heather Jared Kurr is the very best

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Speaker 3: of pretty lousy bunch of bank economists in this country.

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Speaker 3: It needs to be the next Reserve Bank governor. That's

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Speaker 3: from Phil. I have no opinion on whether the actually

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Speaker 3: I don't think the others are lousy. I think that

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Speaker 3: the actually pretty good. But he is really excellent, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: I will agree on that. It's eighteen past five now

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Speaker 3: raz has made some changes in the All Blacks have

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Speaker 3: got four changes to their starting lineup for Saturday's Letterslow

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Speaker 3: Cup test in Sydney. Body has been named at fallback.

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Speaker 3: Will Jordan moves to the wing, Caleb Clark returns from injury,

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Speaker 3: and Ethan de Groot starts at the loose head. Tyrell

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Speaker 3: Lomax is the All Blacks tight head prop in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Haye Tyrell has Razor explained to you why he's doing

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Speaker 3: all these chopping and changing things.

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Speaker 24: Not to me, my job's pretty simple. I don't have

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Speaker 24: to worry about a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, did you say the model's pretty simple?

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Speaker 24: My job?

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Speaker 3: What's your job?

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Speaker 24: My job's just to hold up my side of the scrub,

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Speaker 24: try and run as sid as I can and tackle

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Speaker 24: as I can.

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Speaker 5: I guess yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: You haven't got any opinions on all the chopping and changing,

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Speaker 3: just whoever's there, you're going to make it work.

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Speaker 24: Just try to keep it simple for myself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, you're feeling confident. I mean you've got

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Speaker 3: to be feeling confident mate. It's it's the Wallabies, right, they.

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Speaker 24: Suck you truly give me a bote. And now if

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Speaker 24: we've had a good week, now we had a been

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Speaker 24: some mows we over here in Sydney. Now world up

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Speaker 24: because point of in those last two tests, I guess

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Speaker 24: putting together performance here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, are you surprised at how badly they're

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Speaker 3: playing at the moment?

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Speaker 15: Oh no, it's what are you feeling.

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Speaker 3: Nervous about talking about how much they suck? Like all

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Speaker 3: of New Zealand's talking about how much they suck. It's

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Speaker 3: not going to be a surprised to anyone.

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Speaker 24: Oh we're not going to try she's gonna what shall

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Speaker 24: I say? My wife in Australian?

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Speaker 3: So oh yeah, okay, I get it. I now now

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Speaker 3: I understand it. Fair enough.

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Speaker 24: It's half a guess.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough given given their performance, right, you guys must

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Speaker 3: be pretty confident you're going to be able to run

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Speaker 3: this one in Yeah.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I guess we'll look at that. I guess that

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Speaker 24: first twenty.

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Speaker 22: Three.

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Speaker 24: So that's the side that we're preparing for it, I

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Speaker 24: guess the one that can come out and playing them

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Speaker 24: in their backyard. They want to come out good boards

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Speaker 24: together as well.

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Speaker 3: And so, how are you guys feeling about having gone

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Speaker 3: down to the box two zip? Be feeling a bit bruised?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I guess so, yep, I guess just success the

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Speaker 24: way those games sort of panned out, I guess towards

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Speaker 24: the you know, last twenty minutes of both of those games,

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Speaker 24: I put my hand up that last is made a sillier,

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Speaker 24: gave them a chance to score a try.

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Speaker 3: And for the game to be fair to you though, mate,

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Speaker 3: you were on for a really long time, like probably

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Speaker 3: actually too long, don't you think?

871
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 24: Long than I normally play? I guess yeah, but you

872
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 24: just try and go for as long as you can

873
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 24: until you get pulled off.

874
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: Were you feeling a bit naked?

875
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 24: Yeah, given two minutes and test match yet yeah? And

876
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 24: that too many times?

877
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, Well listen, good luck of the weekend. I'm

878
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: pretty I think we're all pretty confident you guys are

879
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: going to be able to do it. So best of

880
00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: luck with it.

881
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 24: Cheers.

882
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: You are more than welcome. Do the business that's to

883
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: our lomes. All Black tight head prop five twenty one.

884
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: The man you trust to get the answers you need.

885
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Heather dup to c Allen drive with one New Zealand

886
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: let's get connected and news talk because they'd be.

887
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: Geez hither those props are chatty. He wouldn't shut up.

888
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: I know, I know. Five twenty four. It was like

889
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: it was I had to be like, Wow, we're running

890
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: out of time, Tyrell, and don't tell us all of

891
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: the secrets. Stop talking about what raises planning this weekend.

892
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: You know we had to. It was we were doing

893
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: it for the benefit all.

894
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 13: Who picked him?

895
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: Andy? Who picked Tyrell? Laura picked Tyrell? Did you pick

896
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 3: him because he's handsome? Is that what it was? Stop

897
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 3: picking players based on that? Yeah, I think we are. Listen,

898
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: we're not going to get picky about which All Black

899
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: turns up, right, because we want to get to know

900
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: them and frankly we don't. It's going to be hard

901
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 3: with some of them as because anyway, never mind, don't

902
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: want to make the ends of our boys upset five

903
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: twenty four. Listen, we've got to talk about this business

904
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: with a jury threshold. I feel like it might actually

905
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: a smart move to increase the threshold for when someone

906
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: can choose to go for the jury trial. As we

907
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 3: were discussing earlier, At the moment, it's a couple of years,

908
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: and for a couple of years. In the slammer, you're

909
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: talking for things for crimes. You talk about crimes like

910
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: failing to pay a high court fine, or taking part

911
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 3: in a riot, or faking a merit or a civil union,

912
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: or trying to steal a car, trying to not actually

913
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: just trying to steal a car. Now, do you actually

914
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: think that those crimes are serious enough somebody to get

915
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: I want twelve people to stop their day and come

916
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: and sit in the jury, and I want them to

917
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: decide if I did it or not. Like I don't

918
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: feel like that's a good use of people's time. I

919
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: feel like a judge can do that. One person already

920
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: on the payroll doesn't have to deliberate with eleven other

921
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: people to decide whether you're guilty or not. They just

922
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: make the call themselves. The biggest problem that we've got

923
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: right now with using juries for low level crimes like

924
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: that is that it's really hard to find a jury

925
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: people don't want to do it. Only about seventeen percent

926
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 3: of people called for jury duty actually end up turning up,

927
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: and that's probably in part. I mean, yeah, your life

928
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: has to be put on hold, but you also lose money.

929
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: I mean you have to give up your work for

930
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: the duration of the trial, and then you only get

931
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: in return about sixty two bucks a day, which isn't

932
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: a lot. Arguably, I would say judges are actually better

933
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: at deciding whether someone's guilty or not because this is

934
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: literally their job, right. They are high information processing professionals

935
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: who are probably better at sniff and guilt than the

936
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: coffee maker down the road. Do you know what I mean? Now?

937
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: You know I'm saying this as somebody who doesn't love

938
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: a judge because I think judges are soft touches when

939
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: it comes to sentencing. But I also think there's a

940
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 3: difference between a judge doing sentencing in deciding what punishment

941
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 3: you should get, and a judge deciding whether you're guilty

942
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: or not. Because guilty or not is pretty binary. There's

943
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: no room for discounts and soft touches there. Now, don't

944
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: get me wrong, because I do believe juries are extremely

945
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: important it's a fundamental part of our justice system that

946
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: should we should be able to be tried by a

947
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: jury of our peers. But I'm ready to leave that

948
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: for the very very very serious stuff and leave the

949
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: low level stuff to judges to just pump through those courts.

950
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Heather duper se al you're doing.

951
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: I have to hubby with us shortly, Oh, Ryan on

952
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: the huddle. Ryan is a huddle Vergin, Ryan Bridge? What

953
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: do you mean? Which Ryan? Ryan Bridge? So Ryan's going

954
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: to be thus for the first time, very happy to

955
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: have him on the huddle, and then he will be

956
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: pretty much permanently thereafter just going to We're just gonna

957
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: bring him up randomly and tell him to come in

958
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: the BMI. Excuse me. Oh, by the way, huge debate

959
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: about whether the parents the taxi driver should be using

960
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: the parents' rooms to warm the meals up at Wellington Airport.

961
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about that with one of them shortly.

962
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: The bm I. Now, if you are a woman and

963
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: anybody who battles your weight, you will know that the

964
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: BMI sucks. The BMI the body mass index where you

965
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: look at your height versus your weight. You know that

966
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: that's nonsense because it just it's just too blunt, and

967
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: so you've got a whole bunch of Olympic athlete to

968
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: morbidly OBEs according to this thing. Apparently there's a new

969
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: there's a new one you can use. It's called the

970
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: Body Roundness Index, and apparently it's literally what it says.

971
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: It is a body roundness index. They measure how round

972
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: you are around you abdomen, so how much kind of

973
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: abdominal fat you're carrying versus your height, and that will

974
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: determine whether you're healthy or not. You can go online.

975
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: I've gone on. I haven't been able to do it

976
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: also can't be fafft. But you can go and do

977
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: it online and you can see whether you're whether you

978
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: are actually healthy or not. And I feel like, I

979
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: feel like whether you're shaped like an egg or a

980
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: rake is probably a better measure, don't you think. So

981
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: there we go. Science has moved on Headline's next.

982
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

983
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: your car on.

984
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: Your drive home.

985
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Heather duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's

986
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as sid be.

987
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 19: Hundred so on a scratch up to take it bath,

988
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 19: two twelve pacts and a tagt gas Where did just fly?

989
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: Hey, listen on that business with the walkie talkie's blowing

990
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: up today in Lebanon. This is two days. I mean,

991
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: this is this is quite significant. Yesterday it looked like

992
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: blowing up all the pay jurrors was just psychops. You know,

993
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: it's just designed to make all of these hezbla people

994
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: feel a bit freaked out. Two days of it though,

995
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: suggest something else is going on now. And the suggestion

996
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 3: there is that we have and I mean certainly Israel's

997
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: defense minister is painting this as a new phase of

998
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: the war. Something else is up. They're obviously looking to

999
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: kind of scale this thing up. That's at least the fear.

1000
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: So we'll have a chat to Robert Patman, who's a

1001
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: foreign policy expert. He'll bear us after six o'clock. Got

1002
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: the huddle standing by, and right now it's twenty four

1003
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: away from six.

1004
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: Heither dupless now.

1005
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: Wellington Airport has suspended five taxi drivers from using its

1006
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: taxi rank as punishment for them using the parents Room

1007
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: to heat up their dinners. The Parents' Room is a

1008
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 3: space where parents can change babies nappies and you know,

1009
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: warm up the milk bottles and stuff like that. Now,

1010
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: one of the Wellington Airport taxi drivers, who hasn't been

1011
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: banned and wishes to remain anonymous, is with us now Hello, hello, honey,

1012
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: how are you. I'm very well? Thank you? Now you

1013
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: heated your food up in the parents' room.

1014
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 24: May yeah, I.

1015
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 25: Did, and I also did it after asking two of

1016
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 25: the airport off for shields in airport uniforms if if

1017
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 25: we could eat food in the microwave in the print room,

1018
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 25: and they happily said, in on mind, as long as

1019
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 25: we cleaned.

1020
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 26: Up after and just because the cleaning ladies they get

1021
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 26: pretty furious about it, so.

1022
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it would be a cleaning lady getting furious.

1023
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: What's the problem with you guys using the microwave for

1024
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: three minutes?

1025
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 26: And that's the problem I don't see as well. But

1026
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 26: I think it's a food contamination or health and safety

1027
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 26: resk for the newborn babies. And totally understand that where

1028
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 26: they're coming from, and I respect that as well.

1029
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: So isn't it. I mean, that's absolute nonsense because if

1030
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: you're like nobody, every mom who's going to have a

1031
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: bottle in there is going to have the bottle covered

1032
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: while they're heating it up, aren't they?

1033
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: That is true as well, well, I think be reasonable.

1034
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 26: What do you think they are being very unreasonable and

1035
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 26: they're just looking for any reason to ban drivers at

1036
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 26: the moment and the environment we are working, and they're

1037
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 26: just there's a lot of factors involved. Maybe they're promoting

1038
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 26: Uber because they are paying more money to the airport,

1039
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 26: and I just think like it comes all back down

1040
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 26: to the money for them.

1041
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 25: And they're not generating enough revenue from the taxi drivers.

1042
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 26: Maybe the taxi drivers.

1043
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Okay, they've banned, Yeah, they're.

1044
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 26: Band taxi drivers for picking up a fare from number nine,

1045
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 26: whereas the similar company was not even available at the

1046
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 26: pay in the front.

1047
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: What's number nine?

1048
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 26: And number nine is the number first hite faces as

1049
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 26: the oh I.

1050
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: See like people, yeah, yeah, I see. You're you're only

1051
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: supposed to pick up the people at the front of

1052
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: the line, not not if your nine.

1053
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah.

1054
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 26: The customer chooses the taxi, not the driver chooses the customer.

1055
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: They say that you have got a taxi cafe that

1056
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 3: you can use, but that sounds really like a place

1057
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: where they sell you food. Rather than you being able

1058
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: to bring in your own food and warm it up.

1059
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 26: That is true, that set of food and coffee.

1060
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, listen, thank you for this. I really

1061
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 3: appreciate you explaining that to us. It's a Wellington Airport

1062
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 3: taxi driver right now. It's twenty one away from six.

1063
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the

1064
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: marketing of your home on the Huddle with.

1065
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: Us this evening, We've got Allie Jones, Red pr and

1066
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge Early edition host. Hello, are you too good evening, Heather?

1067
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: Are you nervous? Ryan?

1068
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 16: No, I'm just surprised to hear that there's a what

1069
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 16: sounds to me like a corew lounge that I wasn't

1070
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 16: invited to at the airports. What is this parents' lounge?

1071
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: Mate? It smells of pooh? Do you really want to

1072
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: hang out there? It's baby pooh?

1073
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: Ah? Right?

1074
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 16: Okay? The wold about that? Well, I've heard that there's

1075
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 16: a kitchen. I hear that there's curtains you can go

1076
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 16: and have some privacy. There's a playpen apparently at this

1077
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 16: it's yeah, yeah, it's have you never been to it?

1078
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 8: No?

1079
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 16: See, I'm obviously not invited, So I don't.

1080
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: Hang out in poe rooms.

1081
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 27: Yeah, Ryan, Can I just say, Ryan, you need to

1082
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 27: listen to Heather.

1083
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 13: It is not a room you want to be.

1084
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 16: In, Okay.

1085
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 27: And it smells definitely of Pooh and old formula.

1086
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 16: So we're hang on. So the people eating their food

1087
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 16: are the ones that are getting in trouble, but their

1088
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 16: parents making it smell like shit, aren't.

1089
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: This is a good point, Like the people who are

1090
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 3: actually having to really just you know, do the hard

1091
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: yards to actually get food in their tummy. Is not

1092
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: the baby making the stink. It's the person who's going

1093
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: into the poo room to use the microwave. I feel

1094
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: like this is unfair, Ryan, Do you think it's unfair?

1095
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1096
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 16: Well, I interestingly saw a story the other day that

1097
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 16: they're building toilets for bus drivers in Wellington because they

1098
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 16: are on the road all the time. So I think

1099
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 16: there is a wider issue here where if you're on

1100
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 16: the road in the car, you're doing a ten hour shift.

1101
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 16: Do they need kitchens as well?

1102
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe like a starf room. Do you think, Ali?

1103
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 13: No, Well, I think that they shouldn't be using the

1104
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 13: parents room.

1105
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 27: I don't think it's unfair to expect workers not to

1106
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 27: be using a space. It's there for families and for babies.

1107
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 27: You need a staff room, like you just said. And

1108
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 27: I actually think that the taxi people and the airport

1109
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 27: people should, you know, get over themselves, speak to one

1110
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 27: another and provide space.

1111
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: Don't they use it if nobody's in there? And it's

1112
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 3: like even if people are in there, because it seems

1113
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: like multiple people can be in there at one time,

1114
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: and if the microwave's not being used for three minutes,

1115
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: why can't they.

1116
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 27: Because it's either a family room or it's a staff room,

1117
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 27: and you can't say, well, someone's going to come up

1118
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 27: and stick their head around the door, and then if

1119
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 27: there's someone in there, they're going to go away. I

1120
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 27: don't think so it's either a family room or it's

1121
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 27: a staff room.

1122
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 13: But they do need to have a space.

1123
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 27: Of course they do if they're doing ten hour shifts

1124
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 27: out there. But I think that's on the taxi companies

1125
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 27: to speak to the airport and sort of space out.

1126
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah that what does hear?

1127
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 8: Like?

1128
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: The airport's the egregious one here on the GDP figure, Ryan,

1129
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: are you were all surprised to see the economy went

1130
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 3: back in the second quarter.

1131
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 16: No, I was surprised to say it didn't go further. Worryingly,

1132
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 16: it's the per capita number that's the shaker, right, two

1133
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 16: point seven percent year on Here, I was thinking today,

1134
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 16: what is it that will make me spend more? It's

1135
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 16: Adrian or the mortgages obviously, which hopefully we're going to

1136
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 16: get some more guts in the coming later in the year.

1137
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 16: It's our boss here, Jason. You know, how much is

1138
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 16: he paying me? How stable is my job?

1139
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 3: You've been here two months, isn't it like two months?

1140
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: And you're basically already putting out a shout out to

1141
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: Jason for a pay rise.

1142
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 16: Hey, start early, you know, go hard, go early, and

1143
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 16: then it's you know, these are the things so that

1144
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 16: people think about when it's how much am I going

1145
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 16: to spend? And that's essentially what we need to do

1146
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 16: to get ourselves out of this is to go out

1147
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 16: and spend more. But yeah, that needs that requires confidence,

1148
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 16: and so the Reserve Bank making cuts on the ocr

1149
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 16: not only just put money in your back pocket, but

1150
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 16: your house price will go up and that means people

1151
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 16: go out and spend more.

1152
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, I am starting well, actually, Alie, I

1153
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 3: started a little while ago, but I continue to feel hope.

1154
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: So these numbers feel a little bit backward looking to me,

1155
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: and I'm already looking at the future. What about you?

1156
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 27: Well, look, I got e for maths when he did

1157
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 27: not mean excellence. So I'm not even going to try and.

1158
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 13: Analyze these figures.

1159
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 27: However, you know this boot, you know Bhutan has this happiness,

1160
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 27: you know, schedule.

1161
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 13: Measure when they will be measure they have. I'm really

1162
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 13: concerned about all these figures.

1163
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 27: What does it actually mean? So Ryan, when you talked

1164
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 27: about the personal GDP figure being so low, what does

1165
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 27: that actually mean? I mean, is that a quality thing

1166
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 27: or a quantity thing? Because I think that's what we've

1167
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 27: got to think about, right.

1168
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 16: It's per capita is like we're basically been propping up

1169
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 16: our GDP with immigration, and so when you look at

1170
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 16: the nominal figure, which is down what point two two

1171
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 16: doesn't sound that bad, But when you look at the

1172
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 16: per capita figure, which was spread over the population per

1173
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 16: head of population, it's way worse. It's down two point

1174
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 16: seven year on What does.

1175
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 13: That actually mean? I mean what I'm saying it means.

1176
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 16: It's in reality we're getting poorer. Yeah, it's worse one

1177
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 16: of us than what the top line figure sounds like.

1178
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1179
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 27: Yeah, But can you still have a low GDP level

1180
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 27: and still be happy?

1181
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm just trying to work out with.

1182
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: Measure why not which person who got poorer was happier.

1183
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 13: Well, you'd have.

1184
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 27: More time, you'd be less stressed, you'd be in the

1185
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 27: garden growing your own big gees.

1186
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 13: I mean, who knows either. It might not be about

1187
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 13: the number, might be about the dollars.

1188
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: I'm just wanted. Are you just advocating poverty right now,

1189
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: as like as a great loan?

1190
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 13: No, not poverty. I'm just suggesting there may be other options.

1191
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: Other options other than being rich. I don't know about you, Ryan,

1192
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: but look Ellie, if you if you wanted to share

1193
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: your money, I'll take it. Would you take it?

1194
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 16: Jason won't give me it?

1195
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 3: Take a break. It's caughded to your back of the huddle,

1196
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: and just to.

1197
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:42,040
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1198
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1199
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Speaker 3: Right, we're back with the huddle, Allie Jones, Ryan Bridge, Alie,

1200
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: how do you feel about using jury trials not so

1201
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: much for the low level crimes, but for more serious ones.

1202
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 27: I'm so glad we're starting to have this conversation. I

1203
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 27: do remember when National was campaigning they talked about Night Court,

1204
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 27: not the TV program of course, by actually having Caught

1205
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 27: at Night and I thought that was a really interesting

1206
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 27: way to look at clearing the backlog. This is different though,

1207
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 27: because those would be judge only trials.

1208
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 13: The jury trials.

1209
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 27: Yeah, I think they do need to look at perhaps

1210
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 27: the criteria there maybe maximum three year sentence, maybe even

1211
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 27: four year sentence, but it can't continue the way that

1212
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 27: it is. I think we need to look at jury

1213
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 27: trials as well. Are we having juries of our peers.

1214
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 27: It seems to be that they're mainly made up of

1215
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 27: retired people and unemployed people because they're the only ones

1216
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 27: who are happy to take thirty bucks a day to

1217
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 27: sit on a jury. So I think we actually need

1218
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 27: to look at the whole thing. But in principle, yes,

1219
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 27: I think we do need to look at more judge

1220
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 27: only trials.

1221
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I reckon I don't think we dick around

1222
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 3: with three here years here ryin and I reckon we

1223
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 3: go for five or seven because like a crime at

1224
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: seven years and decently assaults another person. A crime at

1225
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: five years is assaulting with the weapon even then, I mean,

1226
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: I think that's serious enough to get twelve people together

1227
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: in a room to decide for you. Anything below that,

1228
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1229
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 16: So I disagree with both of you because put yourself

1230
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 16: in there in the shoes of the person who's in

1231
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 16: the dock right. Two years is a long time in

1232
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 16: anyone's life.

1233
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: When the judges, when Claire Ryan from the court discounts,

1234
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: you ain't going to get.

1235
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 16: Two years three, that is a separate issue. That's a

1236
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 16: sentencing issue. But if this goes back to I think

1237
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 16: I think as key as we have a high trust

1238
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 16: in our justice system. I know we think the sentences

1239
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 16: are often a bit crap, but in general we have

1240
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 16: a high trust in the system. And I think that

1241
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 16: comes from the fact that you know it's going to be.

1242
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 16: It can be at your selection a jury of your peers,

1243
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 16: and they're going to be They're going to be fear

1244
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 16: and they're going to be reasonable, old bludges and pensioners.

1245
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 27: Exactly that they're old people and unemployment, and that's the

1246
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 27: jury of your peers.

1247
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 16: Really cannot say that, actually you lose your your benefit.

1248
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 16: Ryan would get off your benefit.

1249
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: Ryan would love it. I'll tell you this ally because

1250
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 3: he'd get off because all the old biddy's on the jury.

1251
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: G Love's a nice boy. Nice You lose, you.

1252
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 16: Lose your benefit if you go on the on the jury.

1253
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 16: So you see you're worse off. I mean, minimum, Wade,

1254
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 16: you get about nine hundred bucks a week for being

1255
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 16: on a jury. If it's full for the full week,

1256
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 16: you get about three hundred bucks.

1257
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: I think it's eighty bucks now per day, so it's

1258
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: four hundred.

1259
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, but it's still not great, is it?

1260
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: No, it really is.

1261
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 16: But I think the principle is important that you have

1262
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 16: the option and that you know it's it seems a

1263
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 16: lot more attention.

1264
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: Here though, right, And the tension is that that yeah,

1265
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: I mean you're you're arguing for the purity of that principal.

1266
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: But what you are therefore doing is you are you're

1267
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: plogging up the court so badly that as a result

1268
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: of that, you are now dragging out the court how

1269
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 3: long it takes, and that you quit.

1270
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 16: The fast just delayed as justice denied.

1271
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: Fast justice is another principle, So there's always an arbitrary

1272
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: line at which you paint it. So you're painting its

1273
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: two years and you want the status quo. Whereas I

1274
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: reckon loved it.

1275
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 16: I think that you stop crime, you know.

1276
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I.

1277
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 27: Think what you're also doing, though it's a bit of

1278
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 27: a sad indictment on our judges. I mean, I think

1279
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 27: that a judge is quite capable of making the decisions

1280
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 27: around the kinds of crimes that you know.

1281
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 13: He the mention then, and I.

1282
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 27: Think that, you know, don't don't let perfect get in

1283
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 27: the what is it? Don't let perfect get in the

1284
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 27: way of good. Don't let good get in the way

1285
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 27: of perfect.

1286
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, I think a judge where of progress.

1287
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, appro Yeah, it will be perfectly fine to

1288
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 27: have a judge who is experienced and knowledgeable to be

1289
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 27: able to make the decision on this twelve people.

1290
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 13: Who the hell are you? Who you're going to get?

1291
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 13: You just don't know who you're going to at? And

1292
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 13: how long is it going to take? I think that's

1293
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 13: really important.

1294
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: To hell are you worried about where where this Lebanon

1295
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: business is going to go?

1296
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1297
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 27: Look, I think it's some I heard you talking about

1298
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 27: it earlier. I think it really has gone to another

1299
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 27: level now. I think the two things that are really

1300
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 27: worrying about this type of warfare is the large number

1301
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 27: that can be hit in one you know, one go

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Speaker 27: with these things, and also can this be applied elsewhere

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Speaker 27: in the world? You know what other big city is

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Speaker 27: this technology, this called this this kind of warfare going

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Speaker 27: to be able to be you know, take place. That's

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Speaker 27: that Those are the two scary things. Well, that's thousands

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Speaker 27: of people, I think. And you imagine a city and

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Speaker 27: main city anywhere in the world with maybe mobile phones.

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Speaker 13: You know what's next.

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Speaker 3: It feels like Israel is prepared to escalate this, doesn't

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Speaker 3: it right?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it just certainly smells like that. But to Ellie's point,

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Speaker 16: it is an interesting idea. The barriers to entry for

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Speaker 16: war now are much lower Morally, when you were deciding

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Speaker 16: do I go to war with this country, it's like, well,

1316
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Speaker 16: this is going to cost me x number of lives.

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Speaker 16: Now you've got drones and now you're blowing up pages,

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Speaker 16: so that barrier is much lower. So so in you know,

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Speaker 16: ten twenty thirty fifty years, what does that mean for

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Speaker 16: the number of cross border walls that we're going to

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Speaker 16: have one plane at Earth. You know, it's a pretty

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Speaker 16: frightening thing to think about.

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Speaker 3: It is, actually, and therefore I don't want to hear

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Speaker 3: any more of it. So we're going to end it

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Speaker 3: right there. Thank you, Thank you very much, really appreciate

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Speaker 3: the fear of you is Ali Joones, read pr and

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge the early edition host seven Away from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c allan

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Speaker 1: drive with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business

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Speaker 1: News talk as.

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Speaker 3: Be five Away from six. Liam Dan is going to

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Speaker 3: be with us round about quarter past sex and talk

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Speaker 3: us through what he's making of the GDP figures today.

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Speaker 3: Hither it's a baby room. Next, you're going to have

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Speaker 3: the construction workers, bus drivers, tourists wanting to heat their food.

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Speaker 3: Everyone else makes a sandwich or takes responsibility for their

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Speaker 3: meal choices. They should be wise and make better, Oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, make better meal choices. Hither I feel bad

1340
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Speaker 3: for the drivers, they have no way to heat their food.

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Speaker 3: There arrived in Wellington the Ssavo. My cab driver had

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Speaker 3: waited hours before my ride. Really unfair treatment. Hither if

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Speaker 3: it's okay for taxi drivers to use the parent room

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Speaker 3: where no one's in there, then is it okay for

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Speaker 3: me to park in No, you can't ever park in

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Speaker 3: a disabled car park. It's a completely different thing. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I I feel like there are two groups of people

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Speaker 3: in this debate, right. There are the groups there is.

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Speaker 3: There are the people like Ali who are like, these

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Speaker 3: are the rules. Follow the rules because they are the rules.

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Speaker 3: And then there are other group of people. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: put myself in that group who look at the rules

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Speaker 3: and go, yeah, those are the rules and they done,

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Speaker 3: so don't follow them. Who cares? Because if the microwave

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Speaker 3: is not being used, use the microwave? Why not if

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Speaker 3: the thing is available, And that's the difference between you

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Speaker 3: having a coal meal and a warm mill. I just

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Speaker 3: don't get it. I think the airport's being a big dickhead.

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Speaker 3: Actually about the airport, we're gonna have to talk about

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Speaker 3: what's going on. There's a retail monopoly going on. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you realize this in airports in this country,

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Speaker 3: which is why your snickers bark off you like a

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Speaker 3: thousand times more at the airport than it does in

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Speaker 3: a normal grocery store. We'll get to that shortly, because

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Speaker 3: actually there is a thing there. There is a thing there.

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Speaker 3: We have made well, let me tell you, we are

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Speaker 3: colonizing that Oxford English Dictionary. At the moment. We have

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Speaker 3: got so many words from New Zealand that have been

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Speaker 3: punted into that thing. At the moment, walker jumper has

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Speaker 3: gone in walker jumper obviously defining a member of parliament

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Speaker 3: who moves from one political party to another during a

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Speaker 3: parliamentary term. That's gone into the official I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: about the New Zealand Oxford English Dictionary. I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: the big one, the global one. We're in there with

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Speaker 3: that one. Ti Kanga has gone in Tea Kanga Maori

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Speaker 3: has gone in Kappahakka has gone in Mahi, chili bin

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Speaker 3: has gone, and I'm surprised it's taken Chilibin this long

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Speaker 3: to get in there. Actually ditch has gone in as

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Speaker 3: as a description of the Tasman Sea. And also al

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Speaker 3: tier Rowan has gone in, which which is really not

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Speaker 3: a word. You're not an altier rowin. There's no such thing,

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Speaker 3: but anyway, that's gone. And also now on the wacker

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Speaker 3: jumping thing, this is the thing that I think is

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Speaker 3: interesting about it is waker jumper has been used as

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Speaker 3: a phrase to describe a defecting member of Parliament since

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, but it's only made it into the

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Speaker 3: Oxford English Dictionary this year. And why is that? Darlene Tanna.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Darlene is making a lot of changes, Darling.

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Speaker 3: Darling can't get a question out in the house, but

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Speaker 3: Darling got us into the Oxford English Dictionary, so it's

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Speaker 3: done something. Thanks for doing the Muhi used to UCB.

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Speaker 1: We have business inside the business out we'd header Duplessy,

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Speaker 1: Allen and my Hr on News Dogs and b.

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Speaker 3: Even and coming up in the next hour, Liam Dan

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Speaker 3: on the GDP Number, Sam Dickey on the Fed's double

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Speaker 3: cut this morning, Jamie McKay and Ender Brady as well.

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Speaker 3: At seven past six now, after a fresh wave of

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Speaker 3: explosions in Lebanon overnight, this time targeting the walkie talkies

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Speaker 3: and the car radio is killing twenty and injuring hundreds more,

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Speaker 3: there are questions about whether Israel is preparing to escalate

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Speaker 3: this war. Israel's Defense minister has declared the start of

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Speaker 3: a new phase of the war. Robert Patman is an

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Speaker 3: international relations expert from Otigo University with us. Now, hey,

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Speaker 3: Robert cing Hamah, what do you reckon Israel's up to here?

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Speaker 5: Well, if we're to take the rhetoric from the Israeli

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Speaker 5: leadership at place by you, they definitely seem to be

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Speaker 5: ramping up the war across Israel's northern border with Leven

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Speaker 5: and now, of course targs He has Buller, as you

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Speaker 5: indicated in your intuctry, has bothers being on the receiving

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Speaker 5: end of an extraordinary series of attacks involving communications devices,

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Speaker 5: either pages or walkie talkies.

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Speaker 3: So I mean we're all concluding that the point of

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Speaker 3: this is to try to get sixty thousand people who

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Speaker 3: are living close to that Israeli northern border back into

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Speaker 3: their homes. But does Israel stop once they've achieved that

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Speaker 3: or do they continue?

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Speaker 5: Well, the interesting thing is in the sense mister Neto's

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Speaker 5: government is very vulnerable in this issue a switch they're

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Speaker 5: expanding the war from Gaza to the northern front with Lebanon.

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Speaker 5: That they haven't yet achieved the strategic objectives in Gaza,

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Speaker 5: they haven't annihilated Hamas, They still have over one hundred

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Speaker 5: Israelis detained by Hamas, and so this is a bit

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Speaker 5: of a risk because there's already quite widespread opposition to

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Speaker 5: mister Nettnio's handling of the hostage issue, and many Israelis

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Speaker 5: feel that mister Netna who's expanding the war so that

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Speaker 5: he can prolong his period in office because he's face

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Speaker 5: seeing criminal charges over corruption, which of course will be

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Speaker 5: he will become susceptible to those charges once there's no

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Speaker 5: longer a war. So maybe, you know, the six in

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Speaker 5: Israel are arguing this is just part of partal keeping

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Speaker 5: the war going.

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 5: You know, Sorry, I was just going to add I'm

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Speaker 5: just going to say there is an indication though that

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Speaker 5: Israel is very serious, not just the attacks we've seen, but

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Speaker 5: they've also apparently massed quite a lot of Israeli troops

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Speaker 5: on the border with Libanon. So it looks like there

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Speaker 5: is going to be a confrontation, and of course this

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Speaker 5: may really seriously strain relations between Nahu and the Biden administrator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to that's a very It's exactly

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Speaker 3: the thing I was going to ask you. How did

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Speaker 3: the US respond to this?

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Speaker 5: Well, they said they had no advanced knowledge of this attack.

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Speaker 5: That may be. You know, we just have to wait

1445
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Speaker 5: and see about that. But I think what is clear

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Speaker 5: is that the Americans have been demanding the Biden administration,

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Speaker 5: both Joe Biden and Vice President Karmala Harris of saying

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Speaker 5: the time for a cease fighter is now in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Mistero's not only ignored the demand for a ceasefire in Gaza,

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Speaker 5: but has expanded the situation. And the last thing the

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Speaker 5: Biden team want is an escalation of the Gaza situation

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Speaker 5: into a full blown war involving Lebanon has Bolla and

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Speaker 5: possibly as bothers.

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Speaker 24: Back as I ran.

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Speaker 5: When there's the presidential election looming.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that his Bolla have the wherewithal right now,

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Speaker 3: given the chaos that they must be in to actually respond.

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Speaker 5: Well, they've said they were responding. They're quite affordable organization,

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Speaker 5: and a number of Israeli strategic analysts have warned who

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Speaker 5: about not taking on more than he can chewn. So

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Speaker 5: we wait and see on that, but I don't think

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Speaker 5: they should be underestimated. They've been generously armed and backed

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Speaker 5: by Iran. They are there are in the rain in

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Speaker 5: proxy essentially, so it's Israel's formidable it's got a very

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Speaker 5: good intelligence services who were probably involved in this, you know,

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Speaker 5: the exploding communications devices. But if Iran gets involved, this

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Speaker 5: is just the thing the United States doesn't want. The

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Speaker 5: other thing here that I think is really might bring

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Speaker 5: relations or underlying strains between the US and Israel's were

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Speaker 5: head is not just the timing on the expansion of

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Speaker 5: the war, but also the fact that the Bien administration

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Speaker 5: feels frustrated that mister ness now who is repeatedly rebuffing

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Speaker 5: their demands for a two state solution. Is America reaffirmed

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Speaker 5: in the last twenty four hours it absolutely.

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Speaker 24: Is committed to the Palestinians.

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Speaker 5: Having a state. Now, mister you made it quite clear

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Speaker 5: while continuing to receive American arms that is completely out

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Speaker 5: of the question. So at some point the rubber is

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Speaker 5: going to hit the road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point, Robert. It's always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your expertise. That's Robert Patman, who's an

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Speaker 3: international relations expert from Otago University. A bit of agitation

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Speaker 3: over the ditch by the looks of things. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan just to remind he's going to be just

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Speaker 3: on the GDP shortly bit of agitation over the ditch

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Speaker 3: for Woolworth's to get rid of its New Zealand arm.

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Speaker 3: Now apparently an investor, First Entire Investors, which has a

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Speaker 3: modest shareholding in Walworth's, has advised Walworth's chief executive over

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Speaker 3: in Australia to sell the New Zealand subsidiary because it's

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Speaker 3: destroying capital. Now, as far as I can see, Woolley's

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Speaker 3: over here hasn't said anything yet. But that is a

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Speaker 3: very interesting development, isn't it. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather due

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Speaker 1: for Sea Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on News Talks NB.

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Speaker 3: Right, Jamie McKay is going to be us shortly. We

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Speaker 3: need to talk about labour in the Gang's Law that's

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Speaker 3: going through at the moment. Actually something worth mentioning on

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Speaker 3: that right now. It's sixteen past six now. Kiwi Banks

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Speaker 3: chief economist Jared Kerr reckons the Reserve Bank needs to

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Speaker 3: speed up the rate cuts to cure our sick economy.

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Speaker 3: GDP as we know, went back zero point two percent

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Speaker 3: in the second quarter of the year and per capita

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Speaker 3: we went back two point seven percent year on year.

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan is The Herald's Business editor at large and

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Speaker 3: with us. Now, hey, Liam, I'm trying to find the

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Speaker 3: good stuff in this, because there is actually good stuff

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Speaker 3: in this, and the good stuff is it's bad, but

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Speaker 3: not as bad as we thought.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, you'd think. I mean, this is I

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Speaker 14: feel like we're all pretty down on the economy right now.

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Speaker 14: There was no way we were going to receive this. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 14: the per capita stuff's terrible, but all of it was

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Speaker 14: slightly better than expected. But the response hasn't been a

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Speaker 14: horay it's better than expected.

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Speaker 5: I think it's.

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Speaker 14: Really oh, you know this is this is grimm and and.

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Speaker 3: Well it's like it's like being told you're going to

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Speaker 3: get six paddles instead of twelve, right.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, And then of course they doubt that actually it

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Speaker 14: was a notch worse than the first quarter. So GDP's

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Speaker 14: a funny thing to count. It's a very difficult thing

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Speaker 14: to count, and it often has revisions, so you know,

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Speaker 14: this could be revised down. And you had brad Olsen saying, well,

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Speaker 14: actually it could just mean that it's worse than the

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Speaker 14: third quarter, you know, so that you know, look, any

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Speaker 14: upside there, Well, it might be.

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Speaker 24: You know.

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Speaker 14: The negative response generally is just that nobody thinks that

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,799
Speaker 14: it's going to be such good news that the Reserve

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 14: Bank stops cutting interest rates. That's going to keep happening.

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Speaker 14: And then it's a pretty lively debate, as you alluded

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Speaker 14: to with Jared Kerr and a few other people around

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Speaker 14: whether they go fifty base.

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Speaker 3: They go fifty what if the feet can do it?

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Speaker 14: Why can't Well, yeah, we still we don't want to

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 14: forget about inflation. That's you know, it still exists. I

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01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 14: think they probably can actually, because I think there's some

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 14: other things there that suggest that the economy is going

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Speaker 14: to be in for a rough ride for for a

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Speaker 14: lot longer. And that is things like how fast which

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Speaker 14: I think I talked about last week, how fast immigration

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 14: is coming off. And as soon as you have fewer

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Speaker 14: people coming into the country, it'll solve the per capita

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 14: GDP problem.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the mass it's not going to pump us up

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Speaker 3: any No, No, that's right. Tell me so the triple

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 3: the triple dep recession is over now, it's just a

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Speaker 3: double dep recession.

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Speaker 14: No, technically, if we're talking about technical recession, where we

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Speaker 14: go two quarters, and the economists are saying, everyone's saying,

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01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 14: don't worry about that, it's all recessionary. But it's the

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 14: quarter where in now the third quarter, the reserve banks

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 14: thinks that will be negative too, so that the quarter

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Speaker 14: in this.

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Speaker 3: One advised the second recession to not be a recession

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Speaker 3: because one of the quarters got lifted up.

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Speaker 14: Again, we've got marginal about zero. I mean, yeah, okay,

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 14: So so basically, I think even the economists are saying.

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Speaker 3: But let's not talk about that because it's technical. The

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is, would you agree with Jared

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: Kerr that we have basically been in recession for two years?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it feels like recession. It feels like we've been

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01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 14: going backwards for two years. And that's what matters. It's

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Speaker 14: how people feel about about the economy generally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to? Do you want to? I

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 3: can't believe I'm doing this to you. You heard the huddle,

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01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 3: you heard Ali's argument about happiness. Explain to me where

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Speaker 3: you stand on this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So she had a point that GDP is and everything,

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Speaker 14: and they have discovered that there's a limit to how

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 14: happy GDP can make you. So the richest countries in

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Speaker 14: the world aren't necessarily the happiest. Yes, certainly there aren't

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 14: many poorer countries, the poorest countries out in the top

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Speaker 14: of that list, but New Zealand ranks very highly. We're

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Speaker 14: up near Switzerland in terms of the happiness index. What

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 14: happens is that it's just diminishing returns. So if you've

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 14: got no TV and you get a TV, you're much

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01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 14: happier than you were. But if you get if you

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 14: already have a pretty big TV and you get a

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 14: slightly bigger TV, it doesn't make you that much happier.

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 14: It makes you're a little bit happier. So there's diminishing

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01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 14: returns around happiness, and it really is about the direction

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 14: of travel. So the US and China right now they

1586
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 14: start going backwards and they feel very unhappy, even though

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 14: they're richer than some other countries.

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 3: Because if you have a TV and then you get

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01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: a smaller TV, you are not going to be as happy.

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01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 14: And then you're really unhappy. Yeah, or you can't go

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 14: on holiday this year. So generally we react to the

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01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 14: direction of traveling economy, and on that basis, the US

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 14: two years have pretty much sucked.

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 3: Zealand, yes, very unhappy. Thank you for that. Thanks for

1595
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 3: explaining that to us. Liam appreciated. Liam Dan, the Herald's

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: Business editor at large. Right, we'll do with the gangs

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: shortly twenty past six.

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with the Heather Duper Clan and my

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: HR the HR solution for busy smys on news Talk,

1601
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: z'd be two listen.

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: Labor's on the wrong side of the gang's debate A.

1603
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 3: I've been thinking this for a little while, and really

1604
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 3: was thinking this quite a bit today when when carmaldon't

1605
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 3: want to say which way they were going to vote,

1606
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 3: and I thought, jeez, you guys, if you can't be

1607
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 3: sure of where you stand on gangs, it's pretty binary. Bad.

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: Gang's bad the end, This is no good. I've been

1609
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 3: thinking about this for a while. The point I'm trying

1610
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 3: to get to is I've been thinking about this for

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 3: a while, but especially when I heard Willie Jackson's saluting

1612
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: a gang member today. Have a listen, I.

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 20: Want to salute dinner so Riley today.

1614
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 18: He's also very clear that getting rid.

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 8: Of this patch law.

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01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 10: Will be of no use and we'll just cause further

1617
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 10: social disharmony.

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01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 8: But the way for it is not.

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01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 22: To rip the patches from Dennis o'reiley and his team,

1620
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 22: but to work with them and find work with them

1621
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 22: and do the type of mahe we're talking about now.

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 3: Dennis O'Riley might have turned his life around, and Dennis

1623
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 3: O'Reilly might be doing good work, and actually we've had

1624
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: Dennis O'Reilly on the show. But Dennis O'Reilly has himself

1625
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 3: admitted to committing pack rape when he was with the

1626
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: Black Power, and that is who Labor is in Parliament

1627
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 3: saluting today and defending and saying he and his mate

1628
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 3: should keep their patches. Now, I would say, I don't

1629
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 3: know how that how you feel about that, but I

1630
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 3: would say for me it's quite a bit of slam

1631
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 3: dunk here, that's the wrong side of the debate to

1632
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 3: be on six twenty four.

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 2: Together do for c Ellen and.

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01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 3: With us now, as Jamie mckaye, host of the Country, Hey.

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01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 5: Jamie, yeah, I'm with you here.

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01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 11: They can't defend the indefensible bug of the gangs and

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01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 11: I just want to say I'm agreeing with you too

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 11: much here tonight. Either. Jared Kerr from ke We Bank

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 11: Bang on a fifteenth point rate cut on October nine.

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01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 11: I think Adrian Or can officially claim success for one

1641
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 11: job or one thing he's done well as a Reserve

1642
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 11: Bank governor, and that's screwing the economy and screwing it

1643
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 11: down so hard. We've effectively been in recession for the

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01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 11: past two years. And from a farming point of view,

1645
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 11: from a primary sector point of view, from a productivity

1646
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 11: point of view, the best thing he could do for

1647
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 11: the economy is to get those interest rates going down

1648
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 11: sooner and faster, because you know the farmers and business

1649
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 11: people and homeowners are feeling the pain too.

1650
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 3: Well said, how are we going with the methane vaccine.

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 11: Well, I have big news today and this is quite

1652
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,480
Speaker 11: exciting because we're looking for a solution for our ruminants

1653
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 11: who beouch methane. We know all about that and the

1654
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 11: and the global warming that occurs as a result. So

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 11: Agri zero NZ. This is the joint vent between the

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 11: governments and a whole lot of industry people like Fonterra

1657
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 11: and silver Ferns and all those sort of people above

1658
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 11: Goden with the New Zealand Agricultural Greenhouse Gas Center, and

1659
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 11: they're investing thirteen point five million to pioneer a methane

1660
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 11: vaccine so, chief executive of ag AG zero Enz, Wayne

1661
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 11: McNee said, a vaccine that reduces methane from rouman and

1662
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 11: animals would be a transformational tool for New Zealand's EG

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01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 11: sector and for farmers worldwide. It's right, It's widely recognized.

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 11: He went on to say, as the holy grail to

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 11: reduce emissions as its low cost, high impact and has

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01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 11: the potential to be adopted in all farming systems. And

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01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 11: just I know, are you going to ask this question, Eather,

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01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 11: so I've preempted it. How does it work? Well, A

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 11: successful vaccine would trigger an animal's immune system to generate

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 11: antibodies and saliva that suppresses the growth and function of

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01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 11: methane producing microbes in the room and significantly reducing the

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 11: quantity of post greenhouse gasses at birds out Everything you

1673
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 11: ever wanted to know about meat, saying but we're afraid

1674
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 11: to us.

1675
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 3: Oh, Jamie, you actually even sound like you know what

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01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 3: you're talking about. I appreciate that science explanation. When you're

1677
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 3: finished with that, you were finished with with hosting radio show,

1678
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 3: you can go be a science teacher. Jamie McKay hosted

1679
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 3: the country always super informative. Hither can you please ask

1680
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 3: Liam Dan why we don't report all of these figures

1681
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 3: monthly instead of quarterly? These are the GDP figures. Look,

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 3: I think I can actually answer that question for you there,

1683
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 3: because we are a bit of an outlier in terms

1684
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 3: of a lot of the countries that we compare ourselves

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01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 3: to in only doing it quarterly. And I think we

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 3: all and I mean at geez, the Reserve Bank last

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01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 3: time admit it, didn't they that they were starting to

1688
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 3: look at more high frequency data than official data because

1689
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 3: the official data wasn't coming out regularly enough. So we

1690
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 3: know this is holding us back. We know this is

1691
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: a problem. We know it's causing blind spots for Adrian

1692
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 3: or and he doesn't need any of that, does they?

1693
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 3: The reason we don't do it is because it's too expensive.

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01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 3: It is just too expensive to pump out these these

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 3: figures monthly instead of quarterly least, I though I think

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01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 3: it was stats n Z who said that, And you

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01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 3: know to that point, isn't that just one of the

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01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: problems that we have as a country. Like I love

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01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 3: this country, I think we're awesome, but we know the

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 3: price of everything and the value of nothing all too often.

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 3: And that's a case of this, like just pay the

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01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 3: money because it's worth it for the health of the

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:26,480
Speaker 3: economy headlines next, then Sam Dickie.

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01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: The next, crunching the others and getting the results. It's

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01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR,

1706
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,799
Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy smys on news Talk Zippy.

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 2: When you're playing you thank him about me.

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 16: When you're riding where you're driving now you.

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01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: Has a mind, Damon.

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,839
Speaker 3: I don't agree with Janie. Although there was no GDP

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01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 3: or CPI data back in the middle of twenty twenty two,

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01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 3: as a small business owner, we felt it exactly when

1713
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 3: it happened in mid twenty two. It's been a painful, expensive,

1714
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 3: stressful couple of years and we need relief. And thank god,

1715
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 3: the relief has started right and the Brady is going

1716
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 3: to be with us in ten minutes. Interesting thing is

1717
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Speaker 3: happening in Brazil now. I don't know if you've been

1718
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 3: following it, but Elon Musk is having a bit of

1719
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 3: a fight with the Supreme Court in Brazil, and the

1720
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: Supreme Court in Brazil decided that Twitter wasn't following the

1721
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: rules and needed to be banned, and so then it

1722
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 3: ordered all the telecommunications companies in ISP's the internet service

1723
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Speaker 3: providers in Brazil, to block Twitter, and so they did.

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Speaker 3: Twitter has just today our time Wednesday, their time has

1725
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 3: just managed to get around around the block by engaging

1726
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 3: a third party service. Now I'm not enough of a

1727
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: tech nerd. I'm the kind of tech nerd who needs

1728
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 3: to call the boss to ask the boss really basic

1729
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 3: questions like I'm running out of storage on my phone?

1730
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 3: What do I do? Who do I pay? That kind

1731
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: of thing. No idea what I'm talking about. But apparently

1732
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 3: there is a security firm cloud fair Flair sorry, which

1733
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,839
Speaker 3: has it. It provides cloud services, and through the cloud services,

1734
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 3: people are able through this particular cloud fair Flair, they

1735
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 3: are actually able to get onto Twitter. Even if they

1736
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: don't have a VPN or anything like that, they manage

1737
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: to get around it. And it seems that the Brazilians

1738
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 3: have just given up and they just realize they've managed

1739
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: to ban this guy once, not going to be able

1740
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 3: to ban him a second time. So probably no idea

1741
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: how many Brazilians are on Twitter now through this other option,

1742
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 3: but probably just going to have to let this one go.

1743
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 3: It's a lot slower apparently than it used to be,

1744
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 3: because you go in it's quite securitous. But Elon got

1745
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 3: his way in the end. Elon always does, doesn't he?

1746
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 3: Twenty three away from seven?

1747
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 13: Ever, the Fed.

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 3: Reserve surprised more than a few economists this morning, didn't that,

1749
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: when it made a decisive cut to the interest rates

1750
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 3: in the US. The zero point five percent cut was

1751
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 3: the first cut since the depths of COVID. After the meeting,

1752
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: FED Chair Jerome Powell was asked whether the big cut

1753
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 3: was a sign that the US economy was actually doing

1754
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 3: worse than expected.

1755
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 28: We can go quicker if that's appropriate. We can go

1756
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 28: slower if that's appropriate. We can pause if that's appropriate.

1757
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 28: We don't think we're behind. We do not think we're

1758
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 28: We think this is timely. But I think you can

1759
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 28: take this as a sign of our commitment not to

1760
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 28: get behind.

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01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 3: Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds is with us. Now, Hey, Sam, Hey?

1762
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: How surprised was the market by this?

1763
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 6: There was an excellent economist answer by Jerome Power. Was

1764
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 6: it that we can go faster, we can go slower,

1765
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 6: or we can do nothing?

1766
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 2: Yes?

1767
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 6: Here we go along away to cut, and you're right,

1768
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 6: fifty basis points or half a percent is a decent start,

1769
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 6: but it was quite well anticipated by the market, So

1770
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 6: as at yesterday, the market was pricing into interest rate

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01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 6: curves about forty two basis points or point four to

1772
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 6: two of a percent. So set another way, the market

1773
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 6: was pricing as at yesterday about an eighty five percent

1774
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 6: chance of this half a percent cut.

1775
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 3: Why has it taken them so long to finally get

1776
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: to this.

1777
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Speaker 6: Point, Yes, it has felt like a lifetime, especially given

1778
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 6: the magnitude of and the aggressiveness of the hiking cycle

1779
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 6: we saw before this. So sort of five hundred and

1780
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 6: twenty five basis points the most aggressive rate hiking cycle

1781
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 6: in forty years. And remember, to your point here that

1782
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 6: the FED paused its rate hiking cycle way back in

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01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 6: July twenty twenty three. But remember that you and I

1784
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 6: have talked about the nineteen seventies, which has burnt into

1785
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 6: every central banker's brain. In fact, it's their worst nightmare. Recall,

1786
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 6: the FED back then declared victory on inflation early, started

1787
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 6: cutting rates prematurely, and inflash took off again. The Fed

1788
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 6: had to crush it with a dreadfully aggressive rate hike

1789
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 6: cycle of hiking interest rates of twenty percent, so any

1790
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 6: central banker is reluctant to cut now until they are

1791
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,799
Speaker 6: certain inflation is tamed. And the FED is now fairly

1792
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 6: certain of that, given inflation has fallen all the way

1793
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 6: from sort of nine percent and changed to about two

1794
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 6: point five percent, which is fairly close to their two

1795
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 6: percent target.

1796
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,799
Speaker 3: And so what happened to the bond in stock markets

1797
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: when this was happening, just like immediately before and afterwards.

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01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the US market hours, so that closes about

1799
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 6: to eight eight thirty our time, It was a bit

1800
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 6: of a damp squib really. So if we look at

1801
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 6: short dated by which are the best one have to

1802
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 6: look at because they're most influenced by these sort of

1803
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 6: Federal reserve rate moves. So the US two year government bond,

1804
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 6: for example, it closed basically flat on where it was

1805
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 6: before the announcement. In the US equity market actually closed

1806
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 6: slightly lower, so you can see the rate cut was

1807
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 6: pretty well priced, pretty well anticipated by the market. However,

1808
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 6: since the US close, Asian and Austra Asian equity markets

1809
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 6: are sort of cheering a bit more and they're sort

1810
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 6: of up one to two percent since.

1811
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Speaker 3: Then, Sam, do you have any opinion on whether this

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Speaker 3: is going to impact what our Reserve bank governor does?

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Speaker 6: I think, Look, I think Adrian's and is oh Man,

1814
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 6: but I do think that when the most important central

1815
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 6: bank in the world is cutting rates at double time,

1816
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 6: usually we move in twenty five basis point moves, albeit

1817
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 6: that the last few years has been abnormal and that

1818
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 6: we're moving in fifty basis point moves. Yeah, I think

1819
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 6: it does give you a It puts some wind at

1820
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 6: you're back and gives you some confidence to cut rates

1821
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 6: more aggressively.

1822
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: Okay, what do investors need to think about when that?

1823
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 3: Considering all of the stuff.

1824
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Speaker 6: We're on a journey.

1825
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 19: Now.

1826
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Speaker 5: It's good.

1827
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 6: We've all been waiting for this for a long time.

1828
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 6: It was a torrid rate hike cycle that drove you know,

1829
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 6: the worst bond market return in one hundred and fifty

1830
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 6: years and twenty twenty two, and bond investors had a

1831
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 6: fitty peppered year last year as well. So if this

1832
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 6: rate cutting cycle continues to pace, the stronger returns for

1833
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 6: bond investors that we've started to see this year should continue.

1834
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 6: So that's good news. And remember, as a simple equity guy.

1835
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 6: I always remind myself interest rates go down, bond prices

1836
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 6: go up. So that's good stuff from a consumer equity

1837
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 6: market investors perspective. The interest rate relief is appreciated, but

1838
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 6: we need to be careful what we wish for here.

1839
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,480
Speaker 6: So if the Fed really does start putting the accelerated

1840
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 6: down and cutting faster than we expect, you've got to

1841
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 6: try and figure out what that means. That means the

1842
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 6: underlying economy is growing weaker and expected, and that's likely

1843
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 6: to hit corporate profits. So ideally we want a gentle

1844
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 6: rate cutting cycle driven driven by the sewing economy, rather

1845
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 6: than a panic rate cutting cycle.

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01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Sam, thank you very much, as always appreciated

1847
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 3: that Sam Dickie official funds. It's eighteen away from seven

1848
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,959
Speaker 3: back home here at Wayne Brown's Twitter account is actually

1849
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 3: worth following. Wayne Brown is not your He's not your

1850
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 3: key demographic of nailing the old social media? Do you

1851
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Because he's a boomer and generally

1852
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 3: it is accepted by the younger generations that boomers tend

1853
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 3: to suck a little bit at the social media. But

1854
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 3: not our Wayne, not the mayor of Auckland. He's making

1855
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 3: fun of his own council on Twitter today, and you

1856
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 3: know how I feel about councils, so I'm quite well

1857
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 3: on board with this. Specifically, what he's making fun of

1858
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 3: them for is they spent somewhere around two hundred and

1859
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars on a set of stairs, sorry, not

1860
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 3: one set of stairs, four sets of four very short

1861
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 3: sets of stairs at Milford Beach on the north shore

1862
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 3: of Auckland. And when you work it out, it works

1863
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 3: out at more than nine thousand dollars per step per step,

1864
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 3: not per stare per step, nine thousand dot. You can

1865
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 3: buy a nice car for nine thousand dollars or you

1866
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 3: can buy a single step if you work for Auckland Council.

1867
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 3: So today he went to the Simplicity site and this

1868
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 3: is where they make stairs, and he got his photo

1869
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 3: taken grinning like a cheshire cat has got high vis

1870
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 3: on this This is his happy place, high vers, hard hat,

1871
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 3: smiling as he is having a good time next to

1872
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 3: a set of stairs. And then he put the photo

1873
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 3: on Twitter and he said found these steps at a

1874
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 3: bargain cost of three thousand, five hundred dollars. That's three

1875
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eight dollars per step. I hope that

1876
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 3: amongst all of us in Auckland who follow him on Twitter,

1877
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 3: the people in charge of steps at Auckland Council do

1878
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 3: as well. Inder Brady's next.

1879
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1880
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR.

1881
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: The HR solution for busy SMEs u STOGSB.

1882
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 3: Brady UK correspondence with us into.

1883
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello Heather, good to speak to well.

1884
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is just coming out from the BBC

1885
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,959
Speaker 3: right now that Muhammad al Fayed has been accused of rape, yes.

1886
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 15: Multiple multiple rapes over many, many years.

1887
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 8: This is a major piece of.

1888
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 15: Investigative journalism by BBC reporters and they have spoken to victims.

1889
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 8: They have spoken to the head of security who was

1890
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 8: at Harold's, who had worked for him at the time,

1891
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 8: dozens of employees, people who worked on the shop floor,

1892
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 8: and it is a pattern of predatory abuse by a

1893
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 8: man who was clearly a sexual predator. And al Fayed

1894
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 8: would walk the shop floor speak to any new particularly young.

1895
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,759
Speaker 8: He had a very keen interest in young girls, any

1896
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 8: new young employees. They will be promoted up to the

1897
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 8: offices where he was and selected for abuse. And this

1898
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 8: happened in London, in Paris, San Tropez, anywhere he went. Basically,

1899
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 8: the mask has absolutely been ripped from the face of

1900
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 8: Muhammad Alphayed, albeit many years too late.

1901
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 3: Look, and let's be clear about this in the you know,

1902
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 3: read reading what the BBC is publishing. This is not

1903
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 3: a case of mistaken consent. That this is quite clearly

1904
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 3: out and out right, isn't it.

1905
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 15: Oh categorically yes, yes, it's it's absolutely disgusting. And I

1906
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 15: salute every single woman who has appeared in this documentary film.

1907
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 15: Their surnames haven't been used, some have appeared on screen,

1908
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 15: some have appeared anonymously, as is their right, but they

1909
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 15: have all spoken out about what Muhammad Alphaya did to them.

1910
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,879
Speaker 15: And this is a pattern. And the pattern is exactly

1911
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 15: the same all people who were brought in. You know,

1912
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 15: it's a big, prestigious place in the heart of London

1913
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 15: with a name that the world knows. Getting a job

1914
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 15: there was a big deal and he basically worked his

1915
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 15: way through the young female population of the staff of

1916
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 15: Harod's And it's disgusting and it kind of you know,

1917
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 15: I think for a lot of the victims. That must

1918
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,440
Speaker 15: really really hurt them to know that the Crown's portrayal

1919
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 15: of al Fayre was as this kind of you know, royal, obsessive,

1920
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 15: almost avuncular, harmless old man who just wanted his son

1921
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 15: to marry Diana when they knew he was a rapist.

1922
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 3: Hey, so he's also accused of having bugged phones and

1923
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 3: typing people or tapping people and stuff like that. What

1924
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 3: was that all about?

1925
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 15: So he was absolutely obsessed to know if any of

1926
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 15: these girls were talking to each other. So all lines

1927
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 15: of communication were being tapped and bugged, and he had

1928
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 15: people listening to everything.

1929
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 8: There was a culture of fear.

1930
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Speaker 15: It was basically instilling fear in the workforce that don't

1931
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 15: speak outline or you will be dealt with. And it

1932
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 15: was run like the Third Reich with a rapist at

1933
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 15: the top. It's disgusting. I'm sure people will if they

1934
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 15: want more detail, they can go into it and watch

1935
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 15: the BBC's work. But it's quite scary to think that

1936
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 15: this went, this went unpunished, and it was decades and

1937
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Speaker 15: decades of abuse.

1938
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Speaker 3: Hey, why is Sue Gray so valuable?

1939
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Speaker 15: So that's a good question. She's earning more than the

1940
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Speaker 15: Prime minister. Would you believe she's his chief of staff?

1941
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Speaker 15: And the story has come out today. I think she

1942
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Speaker 15: may have made an enemy or two in the last

1943
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Speaker 15: forty eight hours. But her salary is all over the

1944
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Speaker 15: papers today and basically she's earning about approximately three hundred

1945
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Speaker 15: and fifty three k and Z, which is about seven

1946
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Speaker 15: and a half thousand dollars more than kir Starmer. And

1947
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Speaker 15: a lot of people asking me the question, how can

1948
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Speaker 15: the advisor be earning more than the prime minister? But

1949
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Speaker 15: that is absolutely the case, and I think there's a

1950
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Speaker 15: bit of jealousy in Number ten Downing Street that somehow

1951
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 15: her salary is now all over the papers. We've always

1952
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Speaker 15: known with the Prime minister earns she is the highest

1953
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Speaker 15: paid chief of staff in British political history.

1954
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Speaker 3: She was that's good money. I thank you very much.

1955
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Speaker 3: Ia really appreciated this in the brady Ow UK correspondence

1956
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Speaker 3: ten to seven.

1957
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Speaker 2: Head to see.

1958
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Speaker 3: Oh this is cool. Andy. I'm going to need you

1959
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 3: on this, I think, but this is cool if you

1960
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 3: have I think the right equipment. SkyTV is launching what

1961
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 3: back calling four K Ultra high diff which is like

1962
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: super super super awesome TV. It's really clear. It's it's

1963
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: it's four times the resolution of high definition. It's twenty

1964
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 3: times the resolution of standard definition. Right, and you are

1965
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 3: going to be able to watch the upcoming rugby game

1966
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 3: this weekend in this particular format because they're going to

1967
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 3: do a trial on a temporary pop up channel Skysport

1968
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 3: one UHD. I don't even know what UHD means. It

1969
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 3: sounds like some sort of milk product to me. But anyway,

1970
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 3: Sky's brought one UHD channel two five to one whatever nerds. Okay,

1971
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 3: you know what we're talking about here. But here's the thing.

1972
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about that because frankly, who doesn't

1973
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 3: want to see these boys in even clearer definition and

1974
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: brighter colors? Do you know what I mean? But it

1975
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 3: only applies to Sky customers with a subscription to skysport

1976
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,839
Speaker 3: and a new skybox, right, Andy, wat's the new skybox?

1977
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 3: How do you know if you've got a new skybox.

1978
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 29: It's white, the new white box that you would have

1979
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 29: got on I got that. Yeah, you got the one

1980
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 29: and you can watch it. And it's also it's next weekend,

1981
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 29: not this weekend, by the.

1982
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 3: Way, not this weekend. So is it this weekend?

1983
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 29: Or was it the twenty eighth twenty first?

1984
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1985
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 29: Oh does it sound that sheet that I gave you

1986
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 29: that I've definitely pre read.

1987
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 3: Now doesn't Okay, it's one of them anyway.

1988
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 16: That's pretty cool.

1989
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 4: That's a big thing.

1990
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. Just yeah, I mean this is like, okay,

1991
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,919
Speaker 3: so what we've done here is we've given you partial information.

1992
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna have to fill in the blanks. But

1993
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 3: I feel like we've given you enough to be able

1994
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: to kind of get you started on your journey into

1995
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 3: the four k you know, because you can tell I

1996
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 3: don't know what I'm talking about here, but I've got

1997
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 3: the white box, so if it's on this weekend, I'm

1998
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 3: watching it. Thank you, Andy, you're here. I was like,

1999
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Andy's gonna help me out. Andy was no help to

2000
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 3: me at all. I d away from seven.

2001
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics, it's all.

2002
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: On the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and my HR,

2003
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme us talk SIP.

2004
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 3: Heather. The four k UHD will chew up the storage

2005
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: on your system uber fast if you record it. Chris,

2006
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 3: thank you very much. I'm not gonna I'm not going

2007
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 3: to record it. I no, it's it's it's normal times

2008
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 3: ran big, So you just watch it live, don't you.

2009
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 3: And also Andy has gone and double checked and in

2010
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 3: fact it is not this weekend, so just call your jets.

2011
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 3: It's next weekends. Ones is the second second game that

2012
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 3: we're going to be doing this over in Australia. Big

2013
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 3: moment for them. They are doing their own version of

2014
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 3: the Office. They've released the trailer.

2015
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 26: People ask me, how can I become a great boss,

2016
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 26: and the answer is having a happy staff.

2017
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 19: I love you.

2018
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 27: As of today, we are all back in the office

2019
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 27: full time.

2020
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 2: What it's not good news? Die Arms, can you please?

2021
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 20: I like promoting women into positions of power.

2022
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 2: That's my manta. Really, I've never heard you say that.

2023
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 27: Oh my back hurts from carrying all my sisters all

2024
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 27: the time.

2025
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 2: Our gay.

2026
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 16: Well, i'll see you around. Yeah, you definitely will be

2027
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 16: on my desk all day.

2028
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 2: Okay, well i'll see you there.

2029
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 16: You will for the next nine hours.

2030
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 3: Now, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, why what?

2031
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 21: Like?

2032
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 3: Why? Now? It's been twenty three years since the original Office,

2033
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 3: And that's a fair question. I don't really, I don't again,

2034
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 3: Andy hasn't provided me with the answer to that question.

2035
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 3: I don't know why they're just doing it now. Did

2036
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: you know that that there are twelve remakes of the

2037
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 3: original already in various countries. The US obviously did it,

2038
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 3: that was the one with Steve Carroll that did quite well.

2039
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,520
Speaker 3: And then there's the Germans who did it. The Indians

2040
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 3: did it, the French did it, the Saudi Arabians did it,

2041
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 3: Poland did it as well. Now Australia is doing it.

2042
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 3: Very mixed reviews. Actually, when I say mixed reviews, that

2043
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 3: suggests that some reviews are good. None of the reviews

2044
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 3: are good. They're all bad, embarrassing cringe. Someone has said

2045
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 3: it's the ray Gun of the Office Cinematic universe, and

2046
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 3: some are very worried it's going to be a crappy

2047
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 3: version of Utopia, which brings me to Utopia. I watched

2048
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:45,799
Speaker 3: Utopia because Laura, the producer told me to watch Utopia.

2049
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 3: She thought it was like mildly entertaining Australian television. To

2050
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 3: the only Australian television she's watched. I've watched Utopia. Utopia

2051
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 3: is a crappy version of Utopia. So if this is

2052
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 3: a crappy version of Utopia. We're really in the doldrums here.

2053
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 3: Have you tried watching Utopia? No?

2054
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 29: I've never even heard of it on Netflix.

2055
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 16: Is it in four K?

2056
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 3: It's what is it called nation building Australia. I don't

2057
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 3: know if it's in four K, probably not.

2058
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 16: Don't watch stuff in four K.

2059
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 3: It's about a public service that tries to build something

2060
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 3: and I watched one episode. I don't want to know

2061
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 3: what they build and I never want to see them

2062
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 3: ever again. It was dull carry on.

2063
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 16: Yeah, back to the officing.

2064
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 29: I think I think Australia do make some good comedies though,

2065
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 29: Colin from accounts you've seen that, very very very good.

2066
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 3: Kath and Kim.

2067
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 29: Kath and Kim up in very good, like there's some

2068
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 29: potential there.

2069
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 3: None of this is what Laura has watched. She was

2070
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 3: all like, what are you talking about?

2071
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 29: Yeah, now she needs to go onto those Yeah, start

2072
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 29: with Colin, then go to Upper Middle Bogan.

2073
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2074
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 29: I LOLd of it and that was very good.

2075
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 3: Kath and Kim a little.

2076
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 29: I was a young for Kath and Kim.

2077
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 3: Some light's high.

2078
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's very good.

2079
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 29: Chris, Chris, Lily, isn't it?

2080
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 24: Yeah?

2081
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 2: He's very good.

2082
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll look at you. You know, you just know

2083
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 3: this the four K stuff.

2084
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 29: Okay, Right, tonight we go out with like every show

2085
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 29: on the station. Luke Colmbs has geet Zia on two

2086
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,560
Speaker 29: shows in Park. This is going to be very, very successful,

2087
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 29: I believe if it was anything to go by Chris Stapleton,

2088
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 29: who there were sixty thousand people waiting with me in

2089
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 29: the queue for Spark Arena, I thought this well got

2090
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 29: pretty well cool.

2091
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah cool. I've no idea what he's talking about. Actually,

2092
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:17,799
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, see you tomorrow

2093
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01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,000
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