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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Zealanders? Welcome to Podcast two three.

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Speaker 2: A fantastic show. Today. We had a great chat about

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Speaker 2: hospitality and should they be given a bit of an

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Speaker 2: exemption on the text they pay on their booze feisty discussion,

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Speaker 2: real feisty discussion, and how people are no longer wanting

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Speaker 2: to buy booze when they go out and the cheering meals.

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Speaker 2: So that was a great hour and a half. Then

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Speaker 2: we got into a little bit of chat about KFC

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Speaker 2: in that creepy aird with the hacker we had Ray

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Speaker 2: Actually he put in a formal complaint. I don't know

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Speaker 2: about the old KFC ed It wasn't creepy, it was

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Speaker 2: just crap. I was about to say they word there.

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Speaker 2: And then we talked about almost getting banged up abroad.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people had some very colorful lives. There

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Speaker 2: was a fellow who was arrested in Congo, someone in

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Speaker 2: Bea Roots and where was the other guy arrested? I

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Speaker 2: don't know what was that? Panama? That's right, Panama. He

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Speaker 2: was on his little boat and I did to step

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Speaker 2: out of the compound and they grabbed them, bast them up,

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Speaker 2: chuck them in a cell and luckily the British High

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Speaker 2: Commissioner came in with bribes to get them out of there.

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Speaker 2: So fantastic story and fantastic show. And I've got to

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Speaker 2: say Matt Heath will be back with us on Monday.

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Speaker 2: How good. Looking forward to that download subscribe, give us

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Speaker 2: a review and until then, give them a taste of Kiwi, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 2: Talk said the dead ay to you, welcome into Friday show.

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Speaker 2: Hope you're having a great day so far. Beautiful and Auckland,

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Speaker 2: beautiful mini parts of the country. That's what you want

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Speaker 2: for a Friday afternoon, a hit of a massive weekend

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Speaker 2: when it comes to sport and other but great Devut

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Speaker 2: Company is always just a reminder Matt is off this

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Speaker 2: weekend today. Obviously he'll be back next week looking forward.

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Speaker 2: Devin my mate back in the studio, but just me

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Speaker 2: flying solo for the time being, and a massive show

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Speaker 2: as we always do for you. This Friday after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We were going to get to this a little bit

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Speaker 2: earlier this week, but we were so chock a block

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Speaker 2: we didn't but we will. I promise you get to

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Speaker 2: it today because it's a doozy. This is on the

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Speaker 2: back of Kiwi Anthony dmil Monch. He spent eleven years

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Speaker 2: in a Balley prison after being caught with one point

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Speaker 2: seven kilograms of methamphetamine in twenty fourteen. He reckons he

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Speaker 2: was a victim to an online scam, but is now

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Speaker 2: seriously ill and he is pleading with the government and

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Speaker 2: our Prime Minister to help bring him home. But we

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Speaker 2: want to have a chat to you about instances where

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Speaker 2: you've almost got into trouble in some of those sketchy,

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Speaker 2: very strict countries. Have you ever had any close calls

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the law or local customs. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it was a scam that went a little bit haywai,

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Speaker 2: a night out that went too far, or a situation

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Speaker 2: in a foreign country. Looking forward to that after three o'clock,

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Speaker 2: and we're also going to have a chat with Anthony's

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Speaker 2: lawyer and see where things are at in terms of

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Speaker 2: his plea to come home and get out of that

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Speaker 2: Balinese prison. After two o'clock. You may have seen this ad.

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Speaker 2: It's cafc's latest promo. It's reimagined Colonel Sanders is a

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Speaker 2: hoodie wearing hacker breaking into the transmission to deliver so

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Speaker 2: called cheap meal deals. The brand called it disruptive, but

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Speaker 2: many kiwis it turned out, found it creepy and tone death.

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Speaker 2: Especially with real cybercrime on the rise. The Advertising Standards

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Speaker 2: Authority is now having to wagh through more than fifty

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Speaker 2: complaints about that particular ad. So was it ig marketing

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Speaker 2: or just a cringy attempt to go viral. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty lame. Cafc ads are always

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Speaker 2: a bit crap, let's be honest, and same with Pizzahart

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Speaker 2: wasn't creepy, It wasn't that scary. It was just bad.

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Speaker 2: But what do you say that is after two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: But right now, let's have a chat about the cost

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Speaker 2: of going out. So, as we know, many in the

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Speaker 2: hospitality sector have had a rough ride over the past

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Speaker 2: couple of years. Over the past year, more than twenty

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Speaker 2: People are cutting back on the extras now fewer drinks

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Speaker 2: loyal regulars are tightening their bouts. Fine dining and big

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Speaker 2: nights out are being replaced by simpler, cheaper options takeaway,

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Speaker 2: backyard barbecues, or simply cooking at home, and some are

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Speaker 2: Adding up in christ Church gg Bistro lasted just seven months.

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Speaker 2: The owner said diners still came, but the experience has

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Speaker 2: simply changed. The customers are doing exactly what many are

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Speaker 2: In Auckland, Wellington, small town, New Zealand, it's now seems

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Speaker 2: about ordering those extras. So is eating out becoming a

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Speaker 2: luxury many of us just can't afford to do anymore.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear your thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: It's in line with the news about the mitchelland Star

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Speaker 2: the judges being in New Zealand secretly over the last

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Speaker 2: year doing what they do to see if they can

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Speaker 2: award a couple of our outstanding hospitality venues, maybe one

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Speaker 2: know with the mitchelland Star Guide usually it is incredibly

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Speaker 2: fine dining. And when it comes to fine dining and

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Speaker 2: those experiences, you know you are going to spend a

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Speaker 2: two three four hundred dollars to have one of those experiences? Oh,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: And the bigger picture is what do we start to

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say kiwis by and large

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Speaker 2: ingrained New Zealand thing that we do here. Love to

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Speaker 2: want to raise is this idea of excise tax in

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Speaker 2: on booze on a fifty literskeg of five percent beer

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Speaker 2: that has risen. The excise tax has risen from seventy

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Speaker 2: if we are drinking less because it's too bloody expensive

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Speaker 2: is that a big part of it. Does the government

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Speaker 2: can still have X sized tax for alcohol and other

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Speaker 2: areas outside of hospo. But do we not want to

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Speaker 2: try and give our hospitality industry a bit of a

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Speaker 2: on this. Get on the phone. O eight one hundred

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Speaker 2: of texts coming through on nine two ninety two as well,

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Speaker 2: and email if that's your thing. Tyler at Newstalk ZB

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Speaker 2: dot co dot NZ back very shortly, greatv company. As

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Speaker 2: always it is twelve bars one the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used TALKZB.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon to you. It's a quarter past once. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about the changing nature of going out to eat in

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Speaker 2: Church saying that it's drastically changed people coming out now

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Speaker 2: are sharing, they're not ordering any wines or alcohol and

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Speaker 2: certainly not ordering dessert. They're asking for tap water, and

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Speaker 2: they are saying to the owners that the affordability of

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Speaker 2: but across the board takeaways have gone up. Someone takes

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Speaker 2: before saying even fish and chips feels like a luxury now,

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Speaker 2: So is that true where you are? But I also

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Speaker 2: want to talk about how to help hospitality. And the

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Speaker 2: calls were made some time ago around excise tax. So

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Speaker 2: it's quite a significant tax that HOSPO and other pay

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Speaker 2: on alcohol. Doesn't make sense to try and give them

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a subsidy on that excise tax

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Speaker 2: or freeze it for a couple of years as a

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Speaker 2: way to keep HOSPO open as much as possible. There's

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Speaker 2: already been two thousand and five hundred hospitality venues closed

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Speaker 2: we need our hospitality industry to thrive. We need restaurants

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Speaker 2: and cafes and all that good stuff. That's what makes

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Speaker 4: Good thing?

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Speaker 5: Tyler? How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I am good for a Friday? Mate, beautiful here in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: How could you not be happy?

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Speaker 6: Exactly, mate, exactly.

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Speaker 7: Look. I used to go out probably two three times

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Speaker 7: and COVID sort of changed those behavioral habits a little bit.

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Speaker 7: But for example, I had some friends come down from Northland.

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Speaker 7: We wanted to go out for dinner. I live out

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Speaker 7: in East Bokland and the how Gootney area, and we

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Speaker 7: went to three restaurants before we finally found one that

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Speaker 7: did anything other than a frozen lamburger. I personally think,

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Speaker 7: I actually think the hospitality guys need to lift their game.

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Speaker 7: I went out to a chain restaurant a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 7: Me and my partner got a platter for seventy five

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Speaker 7: packet frozen deep fried spring rolls. You know the type

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Speaker 7: of thing you see them everywhere?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, spring rolls pretty tasty, but yeah yeah not seventy

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Speaker 2: five bucks worth.

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Speaker 7: Seventy five bucks cold, not well cooked. Friend, order the salad, unseasoned,

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Speaker 7: untoked vegetables.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: paying seventy five bucks for a planter, you want it

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Speaker 2: to be, you know, not too long ago, that was,

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Speaker 2: you know, fairly luxury. If you spend seventy five bucks

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Speaker 2: for two people, yeah yeah, pretty much promised. You know,

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Speaker 2: some nice cuts of meat, some beautiful bits of fish, olives, dips,

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Speaker 2: all the rest of it. And it sounds like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, the hospitality need to step up,

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Speaker 2: but I sympathize that their costs are going through the

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Speaker 2: just not there anymore. And sadly that is the only

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Speaker 2: offering they can provide seventy five dollars, which sucks for them,

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Speaker 2: It is twenty six past one and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: And when you go out, do you just not bother

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Speaker 11: I mean I don't work in any of those industries.

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Speaker 11: So what about incentivizing the sale of alcohol? So if

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Speaker 11: that side of the coin as well, where incentivizing performance

431
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Speaker 11: is why those KPIs exist in every other industry in

432
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Speaker 11: the world. Whereas if you just freeze the cost of alcohol,

433
00:22:31,573 --> 00:22:34,093
Speaker 11: restaurant owners might be like, you know, that's fine, We're

434
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Speaker 11: just going to take that money, pocket it and still

435
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Speaker 11: serve up.

436
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Speaker 2: Crap food yep potential. And when you start to freeze

437
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Speaker 2: a particular text, that means less text take for the

438
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Speaker 2: government as well. So you've got to think about that,

439
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Speaker 2: and I suppose your idea would solve that part of

440
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Speaker 2: the equation. Tim, thank you very much for your call.

441
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Speaker 2: What do you think about Sim's idea? Oh, eight hundred

442
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty. There's a lot of texts coming

443
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Speaker 2: through on the price of alcohol, So that's what I

444
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Speaker 2: think this focus is on, is that it is incredibly

445
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Speaker 2: expensive when you go out for food and order a

446
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Speaker 2: glass of wine. It's not unrealistic to be charged eighteen

447
00:23:05,853 --> 00:23:07,933
Speaker 2: bucks for a one hundred and fifty mil That is

448
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Speaker 2: burg big money for a lot of people out there,

449
00:23:10,053 --> 00:23:11,573
Speaker 2: so they just say, no, I don't want to buy

450
00:23:11,613 --> 00:23:14,573
Speaker 2: that anymore. And the problem for hospitality and restaurants and

451
00:23:14,653 --> 00:23:17,133
Speaker 2: cafes is that's often where they make their money. So

452
00:23:17,293 --> 00:23:18,693
Speaker 2: does it make sense to give them a bit of

453
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Speaker 2: a break on the old excise tax to try and

454
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Speaker 2: stare us into restaurants and cafes more than the bottle store.

455
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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is that number

456
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Speaker 2: to call headlines wheth Rayleen is coming up. It is

457
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Speaker 2: twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 12: sixty percent showed overall improvement better than those who didn't

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Speaker 12: do the program. Free school lunches are having another change,

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Speaker 12: with large centralized contracts on the way out again and

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Speaker 12: local providers winning tenders for contracts. Next year, they'll average

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Speaker 12: three dollars forty six each. States of emergency have lifted

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Speaker 12: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about hospitality and

479
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Speaker 2: the changing trend of how we dine in this country.

480
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Speaker 2: Many hospitality owners who are having to close their doors

481
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Speaker 2: are saying that customers no longer want to buy drinks

482
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Speaker 2: the sharing mains instead of a mane each and certainly

483
00:25:02,693 --> 00:25:06,173
Speaker 2: not buying desserts. So if you've changed your trends and

484
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Speaker 2: how you go out and how often you go out,

485
00:25:07,933 --> 00:25:09,853
Speaker 2: love to hear from you, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

486
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Speaker 2: And what do we start to do to turn it around? Because,

487
00:25:12,053 --> 00:25:15,573
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, a thriving society and country needs restaurants,

488
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Speaker 2: cafes and a strong hospitality industry. Oh eight hundred eighty

489
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Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. There's quite a

490
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Speaker 2: few texts coming through on the excise tax. In this regard, Tyler,

491
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Speaker 2: you haven't quite got the gist of the excise tax.

492
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Speaker 2: It's paid by the producer, not the restaurant.

493
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Speaker 5: E g.

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Speaker 2: I'm a brewer twelve bottle box of beers to a

495
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Speaker 2: restaurant is the same to a bottle store. Roughly, that's

496
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Speaker 2: from Mecca, yeah exactly. And I do understand that that

497
00:25:38,213 --> 00:25:40,333
Speaker 2: is paid by the producer, whether it's the wineries or

498
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Speaker 2: you as a brewer. But you pass those costs on

499
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Speaker 2: to a restaurant, do you not? And then those restaurants

500
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Speaker 2: are then passing that cost onto us as consumers. So

501
00:25:49,413 --> 00:25:52,693
Speaker 2: by somehow freezing it and I get the complexity there's

502
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Speaker 2: that it's the same to the liquor store as it

503
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Speaker 2: is to the restaurant. But surely there is a way

504
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Speaker 2: perhaps removing excise or freezing excise tax altogether. But there's

505
00:26:00,933 --> 00:26:03,093
Speaker 2: got to be a way to pull a lever to

506
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Speaker 2: try and push people towards hospitality rather than just your

507
00:26:06,693 --> 00:26:09,853
Speaker 2: local bottle store, you know, perhaps, and I know we

508
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Speaker 2: all hate the idea of more tax than I do

509
00:26:12,133 --> 00:26:15,053
Speaker 2: as well, but making it a little bit more expensive

510
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Speaker 2: at the bottle store than it is at the restaurant.

511
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Speaker 2: But what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

512
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Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number to call Redshead? How are

513
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Speaker 2: you doing?

514
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

515
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Speaker 2: Not too bad? House things for you?

516
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Speaker 5: Good? Good?

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, box of fluffies love it.

518
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, awesome. So a couple of things as an

519
00:26:33,853 --> 00:26:36,532
Speaker 6: app that's out there. It's called the First Table.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I love it, and yeah, do you use it?

521
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Speaker 2: Not for a long time, but I used to, Yeah,

522
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Speaker 2: because I you know, I don't mind sitting down for

523
00:26:46,253 --> 00:26:48,333
Speaker 2: dinner at four point thirty in the afternoon on five o'clock.

524
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Speaker 2: It's kind of nice. And then I'll in and ounce,

525
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Speaker 2: I get some beautiful food half price, but a being

526
00:26:53,613 --> 00:26:55,693
Speaker 2: but a boom. I'm satisfied, and then I can have

527
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Speaker 2: the rest at risk of the afternoon and evening. To myself,

528
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Speaker 2: it's great.

529
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's sort of extended it a bit now to

530
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Speaker 6: you know, you can actually get there about five point

531
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Speaker 6: thirty six on quite a lot of Masis. They've also

532
00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:09,733
Speaker 6: got a last table. So for people that don't know

533
00:27:09,733 --> 00:27:14,133
Speaker 6: how that works is minimumber two people back number four

534
00:27:14,653 --> 00:27:17,853
Speaker 6: and you have to buy a dream but non alcoholic

535
00:27:17,893 --> 00:27:22,733
Speaker 6: if you want non alcoholic and happy days everything's half price,

536
00:27:23,173 --> 00:27:26,813
Speaker 6: so you can't use that a fair old bit. And

537
00:27:26,853 --> 00:27:29,053
Speaker 6: the other thing we tryally get people in the restaurants,

538
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Speaker 6: maybe why don't they stop the GST on it?

539
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Speaker 2: That would be that would be a Yeah, that would

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00:27:36,733 --> 00:27:38,893
Speaker 2: be a far easier way to do it, I think.

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Speaker 13: I think.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, you get you're rested, company rented through company

543
00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:50,893
Speaker 6: house and everything else, so you know, everything that goes through,

544
00:27:50,933 --> 00:27:52,893
Speaker 6: you put it back through, and you get the GSC

545
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Speaker 6: back on it. To me, that just seems sensible and

546
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Speaker 6: then you're not offloading that and everyone's happy getting a

547
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Speaker 6: fairly decent milk a fairly decent price.

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Speaker 2: I guess you'd have to put a sunset clause on that, though,

549
00:28:04,053 --> 00:28:06,253
Speaker 2: wouldn't you, Richard. I mean, I think we can understand

550
00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:10,013
Speaker 2: hospital it's really struggling at the moment. But the argument

551
00:28:10,053 --> 00:28:12,333
Speaker 2: always is, well, my industry is struggling as well, why

552
00:28:12,413 --> 00:28:14,133
Speaker 2: do I have to pay GST? So if you were

553
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Speaker 2: to do that, and it makes you know, it seems

554
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Speaker 2: like from an administrative point of view, that would be

555
00:28:18,213 --> 00:28:21,133
Speaker 2: easier to do. You'd have to say this is your

556
00:28:21,213 --> 00:28:23,573
Speaker 2: your GST exempt or you can claim that back for

557
00:28:23,973 --> 00:28:25,693
Speaker 2: six months and then you go back to the normal.

558
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:28:27,973 --> 00:28:29,893
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just something to maybe get people back on

560
00:28:29,933 --> 00:28:32,933
Speaker 6: their feet if people are tastes and all that don't look.

561
00:28:33,093 --> 00:28:35,693
Speaker 6: I mean, I've been to a few those first tables

562
00:28:35,933 --> 00:28:37,653
Speaker 6: and you're getting it at half priced and you see

563
00:28:37,653 --> 00:28:41,453
Speaker 6: what you're getting and you're like disappoint you're being paid

564
00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:42,613
Speaker 6: half price for some stuff.

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00:28:42,773 --> 00:28:42,973
Speaker 10: Yeah.

566
00:28:43,053 --> 00:28:46,813
Speaker 6: Yeah, you go out and it's hard, you know, like

567
00:28:46,853 --> 00:28:49,573
Speaker 6: when you're paying Paul price. So pritt is someone's twenty

568
00:28:49,613 --> 00:28:52,773
Speaker 6: dollars through scoop of iceed tree, a bit of cake.

569
00:28:53,293 --> 00:28:55,573
Speaker 6: You're like you're having a laugh, you know what I mean?

570
00:28:55,773 --> 00:28:58,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you're right, Richard, I mean first table.

571
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Speaker 2: If you haven't had a look at it or seen

572
00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:02,453
Speaker 2: it or heard about it, it seems to be a

573
00:29:02,453 --> 00:29:04,213
Speaker 2: win win. It's a win for people like Richard and

574
00:29:04,333 --> 00:29:06,893
Speaker 2: myself when you want fifty percent off your food at

575
00:29:06,893 --> 00:29:09,693
Speaker 2: a restaurant, and it means that killing tables at times

576
00:29:09,773 --> 00:29:11,973
Speaker 2: that ordinarily they'll be really quiet. So I think it

577
00:29:12,093 --> 00:29:14,973
Speaker 2: starts at five o'clock and then you can get into

578
00:29:14,973 --> 00:29:17,333
Speaker 2: five point thirty and then I believe they pick back

579
00:29:17,413 --> 00:29:20,533
Speaker 2: up again at about eights eight thirty. But go check

580
00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:22,493
Speaker 2: it out. If you're a restaurant, do you utilize first

581
00:29:22,493 --> 00:29:24,013
Speaker 2: table and does it work for you? It seems to

582
00:29:24,053 --> 00:29:25,693
Speaker 2: be a win win for a lot of people out there.

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00:29:25,973 --> 00:29:28,893
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's stitching up the restaurants a little bit.

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00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:30,493
Speaker 2: What do you say? Nine two ninety two is the

585
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Speaker 2: text number as well. And I've got an email here

586
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:35,413
Speaker 2: from a restaurant tour. I will get to that very shortly.

587
00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:37,453
Speaker 2: Back in a moment, it's nineteen to two.

588
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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

589
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Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons News talks 'B.

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Speaker 2: News Talks THEB. We're talking about hospitality struggling at the moment,

591
00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:52,453
Speaker 2: and they say that it is somewhat due to our

592
00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:55,813
Speaker 2: changing preferences with how we dine. We are no longer

593
00:29:55,853 --> 00:29:58,373
Speaker 2: buying booze when we go out, we are certainly not

594
00:29:58,453 --> 00:30:01,693
Speaker 2: getting desserts, and some people are even sharing mains just

595
00:30:01,733 --> 00:30:04,253
Speaker 2: because they can't afford to have the full experience. So

596
00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:06,173
Speaker 2: if you change the way that you go out, or

597
00:30:06,213 --> 00:30:07,853
Speaker 2: do you still go out at all? Oh, eight hundred

598
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,613
Speaker 2: eighty ten eight is the number to call. And we've

599
00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:13,613
Speaker 2: been talking about the alcohol excise tax. So it has

600
00:30:13,653 --> 00:30:16,133
Speaker 2: been floated in the past about some sort of freeze

601
00:30:16,173 --> 00:30:18,773
Speaker 2: on that alcohol excised tax. It is quite significant. This

602
00:30:18,853 --> 00:30:21,173
Speaker 2: is the text take that the government gets from the

603
00:30:21,213 --> 00:30:24,213
Speaker 2: sale of alcohol. So whether that would help in some

604
00:30:24,253 --> 00:30:26,853
Speaker 2: way as a lever to get more people going into

605
00:30:26,933 --> 00:30:31,773
Speaker 2: hospitality venues rather than buying takeaway booze from their bottle store. Hugh,

606
00:30:32,293 --> 00:30:36,093
Speaker 2: how are you good? Thank you, you're a good person

607
00:30:36,093 --> 00:30:38,173
Speaker 2: to chat to. You want to do some fact checking

608
00:30:38,173 --> 00:30:40,093
Speaker 2: on the alcohol excise tax.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, there's a basic problem, unfortunately, and that is that

610
00:30:45,893 --> 00:30:52,453
Speaker 14: exercises charged through customs. It's paid by the brewery or

611
00:30:52,453 --> 00:30:55,693
Speaker 14: the winery or whatever at the point of time that

612
00:30:55,733 --> 00:30:59,853
Speaker 14: it leaves those premises, or that leaves the importer or

613
00:30:59,933 --> 00:31:03,213
Speaker 14: leaves their storage. In other words, that can go from.

614
00:31:03,093 --> 00:31:07,053
Speaker 15: There to a wholesaler or to a retailer, to a

615
00:31:07,053 --> 00:31:10,853
Speaker 15: restaurant several layers, each of whom will be charging a

616
00:31:10,893 --> 00:31:14,253
Speaker 15: margin on top, each of which will have a GST

617
00:31:14,533 --> 00:31:20,733
Speaker 15: on top. But so the price that you're paying at

618
00:31:20,733 --> 00:31:25,013
Speaker 15: a hospital outlet is nothing to do with a charge

619
00:31:25,053 --> 00:31:28,293
Speaker 15: that the hospital outlet is paying. It's already been.

620
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Speaker 2: Charged on through the system, right, So that's the same

621
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Speaker 2: excise taxes is arguably that when it gets sold to

622
00:31:36,053 --> 00:31:38,453
Speaker 2: a bottle store, when it gets sold to anybody else

623
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Speaker 2: who sells alcohol, it has applied the same to anybody.

624
00:31:42,973 --> 00:31:47,333
Speaker 15: Yep, which has a lot of other consequences because I

625
00:31:47,333 --> 00:31:50,173
Speaker 15: mean the excises, amongst other things, also part of the

626
00:31:50,653 --> 00:31:57,133
Speaker 15: harm prevention to do with alcohol, but or is supposed

627
00:31:57,133 --> 00:32:02,773
Speaker 15: to be. But the reality is that it used to be,

628
00:32:02,773 --> 00:32:06,333
Speaker 15: for example, that every year that when the excis went up,

629
00:32:06,933 --> 00:32:08,133
Speaker 15: as it does each year, at the rate of and

630
00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:12,533
Speaker 15: that you know, bear prices would increase by that amount

631
00:32:13,453 --> 00:32:17,573
Speaker 15: automatically because the the breweries would pass it on automatically.

632
00:32:18,493 --> 00:32:22,493
Speaker 15: Of course, things have got more complicated since. But if

633
00:32:22,493 --> 00:32:26,293
Speaker 15: you're say a small winery, you know you are totally

634
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:29,453
Speaker 15: subject to what people will pay for your product. There

635
00:32:29,493 --> 00:32:33,013
Speaker 15: is no scope for really often for planting, putting any

636
00:32:33,093 --> 00:32:37,573
Speaker 15: extra charge on once inflation increases the amount of exercise,

637
00:32:37,693 --> 00:32:41,213
Speaker 15: so you're basically swallowing it in your in your bottom line.

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00:32:42,053 --> 00:32:44,893
Speaker 2: So that clears Sorry you carry on you Sorry.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I was going to say that that that means

640
00:32:46,693 --> 00:32:49,933
Speaker 15: that from the point of view of harm prevention, there's

641
00:32:49,973 --> 00:32:53,813
Speaker 15: just no relationship in terms of pricing of exercise and

642
00:32:53,853 --> 00:32:54,813
Speaker 15: pricing of alcohol.

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Speaker 2: So you're advocate for removing that excise text completely.

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Speaker 15: I think that if it was that point of sale

645
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Speaker 15: and probably more closely linked with the tax system instead

646
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Speaker 15: of the custom system, then there would be more levers

647
00:33:10,853 --> 00:33:15,853
Speaker 15: that government could pull to ensure that either whether it's

648
00:33:15,893 --> 00:33:20,693
Speaker 15: an incentivization or to ensure that Actually, if it was

649
00:33:20,773 --> 00:33:25,093
Speaker 15: meant to be to increase the level of process to

650
00:33:25,173 --> 00:33:30,413
Speaker 15: prevent harm, then actually it would be it could be

651
00:33:30,453 --> 00:33:31,533
Speaker 15: a tool that could be used.

652
00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:34,613
Speaker 2: That makes more sense to me. And thank you for

653
00:33:34,693 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 2: clearing that up, because I could see the complexity when

654
00:33:37,533 --> 00:33:40,893
Speaker 2: that excis is charged at customs or at the producer level,

655
00:33:41,213 --> 00:33:43,133
Speaker 2: So that makes a lot more sense because then you

656
00:33:43,293 --> 00:33:46,813
Speaker 2: can tweak it. So if it is at the point

657
00:33:46,813 --> 00:33:49,733
Speaker 2: of sale, hospitality may be given a better deal on

658
00:33:50,133 --> 00:33:51,773
Speaker 2: the text bar charge at the point of sale, and

659
00:33:51,813 --> 00:33:55,173
Speaker 2: liquor stores have an increased level of tax to try

660
00:33:55,173 --> 00:33:59,613
Speaker 2: and steer people towards hospitality rather than just getting takeaway booze.

661
00:34:00,013 --> 00:34:01,973
Speaker 15: Yeah, because I mean, if you think about a restaurant,

662
00:34:02,053 --> 00:34:05,173
Speaker 15: I mean, a restaurant is an environment where it's fail

663
00:34:05,293 --> 00:34:10,293
Speaker 15: less set up for people to be able to over indulge,

664
00:34:10,853 --> 00:34:15,692
Speaker 15: and there's certainly find better ability to manage the level

665
00:34:15,733 --> 00:34:21,172
Speaker 15: of consumption. So you'd think that's a safe environment. There

666
00:34:21,173 --> 00:34:23,773
Speaker 15: should be the scope to reward it av.

667
00:34:23,933 --> 00:34:26,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. You absolutely thank you

668
00:34:26,373 --> 00:34:27,773
Speaker 2: very much for giving me a buzz what do you

669
00:34:27,813 --> 00:34:31,293
Speaker 2: say to huge thoughts? Should that eggs science tanks be

670
00:34:31,373 --> 00:34:33,333
Speaker 2: charged at the point of sale? And he's bang on.

671
00:34:33,453 --> 00:34:37,333
Speaker 2: When you look at at alcohol harm reduction, you've got

672
00:34:37,373 --> 00:34:40,172
Speaker 2: to say hospitality and restaurants and cafes and bars are

673
00:34:40,173 --> 00:34:44,053
Speaker 2: the perfect place to be selling booze in terms of

674
00:34:44,773 --> 00:34:47,652
Speaker 2: being able to control the harm that is undertaken on

675
00:34:47,693 --> 00:34:51,373
Speaker 2: their premises. They've got security. You are in a premisst

676
00:34:51,373 --> 00:34:54,893
Speaker 2: where bartenders are watching how much you were drinking, versus

677
00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:56,692
Speaker 2: going to a liquor store and being able to buy

678
00:34:56,773 --> 00:34:59,293
Speaker 2: how much booze you want. As long as you're not

679
00:34:59,333 --> 00:35:01,293
Speaker 2: drunk when you go in there, you can fill up

680
00:35:01,293 --> 00:35:04,333
Speaker 2: your trolley and go to town wherever you like. So what

681
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,252
Speaker 2: do you say, Oh, at one hundred eighty ten eighty

682
00:35:06,293 --> 00:35:09,093
Speaker 2: is that number to call? Got a place messages When

683
00:35:09,093 --> 00:35:11,333
Speaker 2: we come back though, we have a chat with Sharon,

684
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:14,373
Speaker 2: who wants to talk about portion sizes. It is eleven

685
00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:15,893
Speaker 2: to two.

686
00:35:15,693 --> 00:35:19,333
Speaker 1: Madeath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

687
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:23,013
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons news

688
00:35:23,053 --> 00:35:23,613
Speaker 1: talks be.

689
00:35:25,453 --> 00:35:28,213
Speaker 2: Afternoon. It is eight minutes to two. Sharon, how are

690
00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:29,773
Speaker 2: you good.

691
00:35:29,813 --> 00:35:33,533
Speaker 16: Thank you, Tyler. This is only my opinion and from

692
00:35:33,533 --> 00:35:36,573
Speaker 16: my perspective, but my husband and I are fortunate enough,

693
00:35:36,613 --> 00:35:39,373
Speaker 16: but sometimes we go out twice a week eating out

694
00:35:39,373 --> 00:35:42,733
Speaker 16: at restaurants. But it's, like I said, it's the portion

695
00:35:42,893 --> 00:35:46,133
Speaker 16: sizes that get down. This is why we have sometimes

696
00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:48,733
Speaker 16: one meal between the two of us because we just

697
00:35:48,853 --> 00:35:51,693
Speaker 16: can't eat the volume of food that you're you know,

698
00:35:51,813 --> 00:35:54,893
Speaker 16: dished up right, so you know, and there are your

699
00:35:55,013 --> 00:35:59,533
Speaker 16: cafe and things that do a an over sixty five's portion,

700
00:35:59,653 --> 00:36:02,893
Speaker 16: which is you know, it is much better. But that's

701
00:36:02,893 --> 00:36:05,453
Speaker 16: the problem that we find. And it's not that we're

702
00:36:05,533 --> 00:36:10,093
Speaker 16: being mean or whatever else in ordering two different dishes,

703
00:36:10,693 --> 00:36:12,933
Speaker 16: but honestly, some of them are huge.

704
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:16,413
Speaker 2: And that is good to hear share it, because you know,

705
00:36:16,493 --> 00:36:18,292
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to keep talking

706
00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:20,373
Speaker 2: about this this fine dining restaurant we went to too

707
00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:22,453
Speaker 2: much because they're trying to do their best. But that's

708
00:36:22,493 --> 00:36:25,773
Speaker 2: the opposite problem I had am My portion size was

709
00:36:25,573 --> 00:36:27,773
Speaker 2: it was minuscule. It was you know, it wouldn't be

710
00:36:27,773 --> 00:36:29,853
Speaker 2: a snack for a child. But it sounds like you're

711
00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:32,613
Speaker 2: going the opposite way where you're getting American sized portions.

712
00:36:33,133 --> 00:36:35,253
Speaker 2: And you've got no choice but to share it.

713
00:36:36,173 --> 00:36:38,373
Speaker 16: No, well, that's right. And as for the alcohol, a

714
00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:41,013
Speaker 16: lot of people in the old age groups, shall we

715
00:36:41,093 --> 00:36:45,213
Speaker 16: say on medicines, we can't drink alcohol. It's not you know,

716
00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:47,613
Speaker 16: producer to drink that with the medicines that we take,

717
00:36:47,693 --> 00:36:48,613
Speaker 16: so we just don't have it.

718
00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:49,453
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:36:49,533 --> 00:36:51,493
Speaker 16: Also, it is the price, you know, like you say,

720
00:36:51,653 --> 00:36:56,133
Speaker 16: sixteen or whatever dollars for you know, a measurement of wine.

721
00:36:56,133 --> 00:36:58,293
Speaker 16: It's an awful lot of money for what you're getting.

722
00:36:58,573 --> 00:37:00,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got a price. And I mean this

723
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,213
Speaker 2: is just my own experience, as usually when we go

724
00:37:03,213 --> 00:37:06,053
Speaker 2: out to restaurant, I'll have maybe two or three and

725
00:37:06,093 --> 00:37:09,013
Speaker 2: that puts me over the point that I'll be driving home.

726
00:37:09,053 --> 00:37:11,413
Speaker 2: So were you beran or taxi in and then taxi out,

727
00:37:12,133 --> 00:37:14,973
Speaker 2: and you have to price that into the night as well,

728
00:37:15,013 --> 00:37:17,373
Speaker 2: don't you. So you know it might be two yeah,

729
00:37:17,373 --> 00:37:19,773
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty bucks on food and booze at

730
00:37:19,813 --> 00:37:22,772
Speaker 2: a really nice restaurant and then another sixty dollars there

731
00:37:22,773 --> 00:37:24,652
Speaker 2: and back in a taxi. Starts to add up.

732
00:37:25,613 --> 00:37:27,053
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, we don't have that problem because we

733
00:37:27,093 --> 00:37:29,173
Speaker 16: can't do that because we're in the countryside but you know,

734
00:37:29,773 --> 00:37:31,493
Speaker 16: but that's the problem.

735
00:37:31,493 --> 00:37:32,652
Speaker 4: That's the volume of food.

736
00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 16: Or you might give some really nice food and it's

737
00:37:35,093 --> 00:37:37,453
Speaker 16: loaded up with fries or something you've got, you know.

738
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:42,133
Speaker 16: So I know it's difficult for restaurants, and you know

739
00:37:42,213 --> 00:37:44,573
Speaker 16: we do try and support them, but sometimes they're their

740
00:37:44,613 --> 00:37:45,453
Speaker 16: own worst enemy.

741
00:37:45,653 --> 00:37:47,853
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, good to hear from your Sharon. I mean

742
00:37:47,893 --> 00:37:52,053
Speaker 2: restaurants listening out there, just go easy on the food portions.

743
00:37:52,413 --> 00:37:54,533
Speaker 2: It's too much for Sharon and our husband. That's why

744
00:37:54,533 --> 00:37:57,333
Speaker 2: they have to split it. If you've got a local

745
00:37:57,413 --> 00:37:59,573
Speaker 2: restaurant that goes goes hard on the portion size, I

746
00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:01,172
Speaker 2: love to hear from you. They're worth a shout out.

747
00:38:01,173 --> 00:38:03,813
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

748
00:38:03,853 --> 00:38:07,333
Speaker 2: to call This text to sees quickly Stables and Richmond's

749
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:11,733
Speaker 2: Great play Stables Fond and Nelson has half sized manes

750
00:38:11,933 --> 00:38:14,853
Speaker 2: specifically for the older, smaller eater. Good to know. Oh

751
00:38:14,853 --> 00:38:16,973
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to

752
00:38:17,013 --> 00:38:18,933
Speaker 2: call Tony. You want to have a chat about alcohol

753
00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:19,933
Speaker 2: price in at restaurants.

754
00:38:21,613 --> 00:38:23,973
Speaker 17: Yeah, I just think you can go to your local

755
00:38:25,373 --> 00:38:27,772
Speaker 17: bolesaler and buy you know, it doesn't be here for

756
00:38:28,173 --> 00:38:31,053
Speaker 17: twenty five dollars or a good bottle of wine for

757
00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:34,293
Speaker 17: twenty five dollars and like Sharon with a saying sixteen

758
00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:40,893
Speaker 17: dollars for a small measure, that's yeah, it becomes disproportionate

759
00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:44,133
Speaker 17: to what they should be charging. But the fact is

760
00:38:44,173 --> 00:38:46,813
Speaker 17: that they all do it, so I suppose they're getting.

761
00:38:46,573 --> 00:38:47,093
Speaker 3: Away with it.

762
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:51,373
Speaker 17: And likewise, with food sized portions, meals aren't cheap, and

763
00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:56,093
Speaker 17: you want to feel like you're getting good value for money,

764
00:38:56,133 --> 00:38:58,813
Speaker 17: so you're not leaving the restaurant and having to abduction

765
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:00,933
Speaker 17: to McDonald's on the way home to fill up you.

766
00:39:02,653 --> 00:39:05,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've your belly, Yeah, exactly. I'm with you, Tony.

767
00:39:05,573 --> 00:39:07,733
Speaker 2: If I go to a restaurant, my number one thing,

768
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:09,173
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's too much to ask for,

769
00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:11,253
Speaker 2: is I want to be full by the time I

770
00:39:11,373 --> 00:39:14,733
Speaker 2: leave that restaurant. And I understand, you know, the fine

771
00:39:14,773 --> 00:39:19,093
Speaker 2: dining experiences that might be about the journey of the

772
00:39:19,173 --> 00:39:21,373
Speaker 2: culinary journey, so to speak, and that sounds like a

773
00:39:21,453 --> 00:39:24,493
Speaker 2: very bougie phrasing, but it's just not something I'm into.

774
00:39:24,573 --> 00:39:25,292
Speaker 2: I want to be fed.

775
00:39:26,733 --> 00:39:29,893
Speaker 17: Plus, I think the other thing is the consistency of

776
00:39:30,013 --> 00:39:32,493
Speaker 17: portion sizes and value for money. You know, if you're

777
00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:35,013
Speaker 17: not a regular, like you are a visitor, and you

778
00:39:35,133 --> 00:39:37,573
Speaker 17: find let's say thirty five or forty dollars for a

779
00:39:38,413 --> 00:39:40,853
Speaker 17: maine and then you've got to play. You would expect

780
00:39:40,893 --> 00:39:43,413
Speaker 17: vegetables with that, but quite often you've got to pay

781
00:39:43,453 --> 00:39:46,013
Speaker 17: more and it just becomes, as you were saying, a

782
00:39:46,173 --> 00:39:47,613
Speaker 17: very expensive housing.

783
00:39:48,173 --> 00:39:53,933
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Anyway, Tony, thank you very much for your

784
00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:55,613
Speaker 2: phone call and your bang on. That will be what

785
00:39:55,653 --> 00:39:57,973
Speaker 2: a lot of people are feeling and experiencing out there.

786
00:39:58,493 --> 00:39:58,573
Speaker 14: Right.

787
00:39:58,613 --> 00:40:00,533
Speaker 2: We're going to carry this on after two o'clock. We're

788
00:40:00,533 --> 00:40:02,933
Speaker 2: gonna have a chat with Sean who's been waiting for

789
00:40:02,973 --> 00:40:04,933
Speaker 2: a little while, and be great to chat with Sean.

790
00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:07,333
Speaker 2: He thinks socialism is the problem. Yes, this is going

791
00:40:07,413 --> 00:40:09,893
Speaker 2: to be a fascinating discus, but can you get your views?

792
00:40:09,893 --> 00:40:12,173
Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to

793
00:40:12,173 --> 00:40:14,493
Speaker 2: call a little bit of luke homes to go out

794
00:40:14,893 --> 00:40:17,613
Speaker 2: great turns. Stay right here, we'll be back toy shortly.

795
00:40:17,813 --> 00:40:32,133
Speaker 2: News's next. Thank you very much, ray Lean, welcome back

796
00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:34,212
Speaker 2: into the show. It is six past two. So we've

797
00:40:34,213 --> 00:40:38,093
Speaker 2: been having a great discussion about the woes of hospitality

798
00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:39,813
Speaker 2: and that has long been known for the last couple

799
00:40:39,813 --> 00:40:43,813
Speaker 2: of years, they've rarely had it tough. But many restaurant

800
00:40:43,853 --> 00:40:45,853
Speaker 2: owners and cafe owners are saying a lot of it

801
00:40:45,893 --> 00:40:48,293
Speaker 2: now is down to changing trends. So when people go out,

802
00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:51,933
Speaker 2: they no longer order booze wine, beer, they just want

803
00:40:51,973 --> 00:40:55,693
Speaker 2: tap water. They're sharing mains, and they're certainly not ordering desserts.

804
00:40:55,693 --> 00:40:58,373
Speaker 2: So keen to hear from you if that's your situation,

805
00:40:58,693 --> 00:41:00,293
Speaker 2: or do you even go out at all? I wait

806
00:41:00,293 --> 00:41:02,773
Speaker 2: one hundred eighty ten eighty. But was also been having

807
00:41:02,773 --> 00:41:06,653
Speaker 2: a discussion about the excise tax on alcohol, and people

808
00:41:06,653 --> 00:41:10,333
Speaker 2: have made the point that is often charged at customs

809
00:41:10,373 --> 00:41:12,853
Speaker 2: when it's imported into the country, or charged at the

810
00:41:12,893 --> 00:41:16,533
Speaker 2: producer level, whether that's wineries or local brewers, and that

811
00:41:16,733 --> 00:41:20,213
Speaker 2: is fact, that's accurate. But someone did suggest changing that

812
00:41:20,453 --> 00:41:23,013
Speaker 2: tax regime to have it at the point of sale,

813
00:41:23,093 --> 00:41:27,813
Speaker 2: to allow a less tax for hospitality owners, and maybe

814
00:41:27,893 --> 00:41:29,893
Speaker 2: ramp up the tax when it comes to bottle stores

815
00:41:29,933 --> 00:41:32,692
Speaker 2: in order to try and change behavior to direct more

816
00:41:32,733 --> 00:41:35,933
Speaker 2: New Zealanders to hospitality venues if they want to drink

817
00:41:36,013 --> 00:41:38,212
Speaker 2: rather than just buy up large at the bottle store.

818
00:41:38,253 --> 00:41:39,893
Speaker 2: What do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

819
00:41:39,973 --> 00:41:42,373
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call, and I mentioned Sean.

820
00:41:42,613 --> 00:41:45,453
Speaker 2: He's been waiting for some time and he's thankfully waited

821
00:41:45,533 --> 00:41:51,653
Speaker 2: over the news. Sean, very good afternoon to you. Hello Sean.

822
00:41:53,053 --> 00:41:55,013
Speaker 2: Oh bugger, Sean might have waited just a little bit

823
00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:57,933
Speaker 2: too long. We'll try and give Sean a call back.

824
00:41:58,373 --> 00:42:00,013
Speaker 2: He'll be a good person to chat to because he

825
00:42:00,053 --> 00:42:02,773
Speaker 2: wants to talk about socialism. He thinks that is the problem,

826
00:42:02,973 --> 00:42:05,693
Speaker 2: which is a fascinating we pitch. So we'll try and

827
00:42:05,693 --> 00:42:08,133
Speaker 2: get Sean back and see if we can have a

828
00:42:08,573 --> 00:42:10,773
Speaker 2: to him. In the meantime, let's go to joy Get

829
00:42:10,853 --> 00:42:15,053
Speaker 2: a joy, Give a Tyler, how are you very good?

830
00:42:15,093 --> 00:42:16,533
Speaker 2: You want to have a chat about fist table?

831
00:42:17,973 --> 00:42:19,652
Speaker 18: Well, yeah, a couple of things I want to talk about.

832
00:42:19,693 --> 00:42:22,093
Speaker 18: As I go out quite often for dinner. I do

833
00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:24,253
Speaker 18: have my favorite Tai place. I know a couple of

834
00:42:24,253 --> 00:42:26,653
Speaker 18: callers have talked about. You know, they like to go

835
00:42:26,693 --> 00:42:29,212
Speaker 18: out to eat something they can't cook at home. Well,

836
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:30,973
Speaker 18: you know, you can't go wrong with time. And then

837
00:42:31,053 --> 00:42:33,693
Speaker 18: I'll tell you what the portions, the prices, the service

838
00:42:33,693 --> 00:42:34,493
Speaker 18: they know how to roll.

839
00:42:34,573 --> 00:42:35,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I'm with you there.

840
00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:38,813
Speaker 18: When it comes to one hundred percent like you know,

841
00:42:38,893 --> 00:42:41,093
Speaker 18: they say hospital is in trouble. My favorite tie is

842
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:42,933
Speaker 18: opening a new one in the suburbs. Because I told

843
00:42:42,933 --> 00:42:44,493
Speaker 18: them they need to get in the birth right. They're

844
00:42:44,493 --> 00:42:47,333
Speaker 18: in the CBD of Hamilton. They're doing great. I think

845
00:42:47,333 --> 00:42:48,893
Speaker 18: you need to get into the birds. So they get them.

846
00:42:49,253 --> 00:42:52,373
Speaker 18: They aren't mean another one right now. The thing is

847
00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:55,053
Speaker 18: you go to foot table. They've got that one chance

848
00:42:55,093 --> 00:42:57,652
Speaker 18: to keep you yet Yep, I'm going to step away

849
00:42:57,653 --> 00:42:59,453
Speaker 18: from the crime baby loo wman pack and say, get

850
00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:00,093
Speaker 18: in my alcohol.

851
00:43:01,933 --> 00:43:02,413
Speaker 2: This is good.

852
00:43:04,253 --> 00:43:06,413
Speaker 18: So what I was going to say that I tried

853
00:43:06,453 --> 00:43:09,933
Speaker 18: a new restaurant. So they've got one, aren't there? Top

854
00:43:09,933 --> 00:43:12,652
Speaker 18: four of us in blood of bloody blad. There's no

855
00:43:13,053 --> 00:43:16,333
Speaker 18: warm welcome, there's no water coming to the table, there's

856
00:43:16,373 --> 00:43:18,693
Speaker 18: no nothing. And I'm thinking, and then I tacked my

857
00:43:18,693 --> 00:43:20,533
Speaker 18: boys out show and they've got to get for dinner

858
00:43:20,533 --> 00:43:23,133
Speaker 18: out again. That's just how we roll. And they said, Mom,

859
00:43:23,133 --> 00:43:24,853
Speaker 18: you're not going to be happy, are you? I said, no,

860
00:43:24,933 --> 00:43:28,693
Speaker 18: I'm not. And there's five minutes in. This isn't panning

861
00:43:28,733 --> 00:43:32,573
Speaker 18: well for them portions. And there was another man that

862
00:43:32,573 --> 00:43:34,253
Speaker 18: talked about he went out through his table and he

863
00:43:34,333 --> 00:43:36,652
Speaker 18: bolted sometimes at half the price. Well I did, because

864
00:43:36,653 --> 00:43:38,253
Speaker 18: mine would have come to about one hundred and fifty

865
00:43:38,573 --> 00:43:41,733
Speaker 18: but obviously only paid about one and sixty. Boys were

866
00:43:41,773 --> 00:43:44,813
Speaker 18: happy with their food, they weren't hungry afterwards. Mine was

867
00:43:44,933 --> 00:43:48,652
Speaker 18: very average. But the point is service is a big thing.

868
00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:50,213
Speaker 18: I won't go back.

869
00:43:50,613 --> 00:43:56,133
Speaker 2: Ye sadly yep Kiwi's just vote with their legs rather

870
00:43:56,253 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 2: than than voicing their disapproval. And that's just a cultural thing,

871
00:43:59,933 --> 00:44:02,053
Speaker 2: you know. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that,

872
00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:04,493
Speaker 2: but it is. It is the way that we operate

873
00:44:04,493 --> 00:44:06,333
Speaker 2: that if we don't like something, we probably won't say

874
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:08,773
Speaker 2: at the time, We just won't go back there. Right, No,

875
00:44:09,013 --> 00:44:10,973
Speaker 2: I did this thing? Oh you did? Say good on?

876
00:44:11,013 --> 00:44:11,533
Speaker 2: You good on?

877
00:44:11,573 --> 00:44:13,973
Speaker 18: You know, they've got to have a chance to make

878
00:44:14,013 --> 00:44:17,533
Speaker 18: it right. So when they don't, that's even worse. So

879
00:44:18,013 --> 00:44:20,773
Speaker 18: I think very average. I think very very average. And

880
00:44:20,773 --> 00:44:23,093
Speaker 18: she was almost like I had anything else. Thought, well,

881
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:24,853
Speaker 18: there you go, that's your chance, love.

882
00:44:25,093 --> 00:44:27,733
Speaker 2: So what what does the ultimate dining experience look like

883
00:44:27,773 --> 00:44:30,293
Speaker 2: for you? Joyce? So you go into into the restaurants,

884
00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:33,772
Speaker 2: you get seated, you talk to the weight, stuff with it, Yeah,

885
00:44:33,773 --> 00:44:36,373
Speaker 2: with eye contact. Within minutes, they've got some water there

886
00:44:36,373 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 2: for you to be able to pour around the table,

887
00:44:39,013 --> 00:44:40,813
Speaker 2: then back within a couple of minutes to get a

888
00:44:40,853 --> 00:44:42,893
Speaker 2: drinks order. Or yet you need a bit more time

889
00:44:42,933 --> 00:44:46,212
Speaker 2: for the drinks order. No more than five minutes, yeah,

890
00:44:46,253 --> 00:44:48,013
Speaker 2: no more than five minutes for the drink Yeah, because

891
00:44:48,013 --> 00:44:50,533
Speaker 2: everybody's thirsty when they get in. Then you get the

892
00:44:50,613 --> 00:44:52,733
Speaker 2: drinks order. The drinks order should be there as long

893
00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:54,813
Speaker 2: as you're not getting crazy cocktails. They should be there

894
00:44:54,813 --> 00:44:58,493
Speaker 2: within ten to fifteen minutes. And then at that point yeah,

895
00:44:58,533 --> 00:45:00,373
Speaker 2: and at that point you're ready to order your food.

896
00:45:01,573 --> 00:45:03,652
Speaker 18: Yep, oh we normally were. You know, there's a group

897
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:05,453
Speaker 18: of us going out, you know, like mates. Now we're

898
00:45:05,453 --> 00:45:06,933
Speaker 18: happy to his three or four bottles of wine at

899
00:45:06,933 --> 00:45:11,172
Speaker 18: the table. Throughout the the restaurants is the establishments themselves.

900
00:45:11,453 --> 00:45:13,573
Speaker 18: What they need is to get themselves like a matre

901
00:45:13,653 --> 00:45:16,773
Speaker 18: dy or like a waiter or waitress that's invested in it.

902
00:45:16,853 --> 00:45:18,292
Speaker 18: You know, they don't have to have shares in the place,

903
00:45:18,293 --> 00:45:20,373
Speaker 18: but say, hey, well sells the most alcohol tonight, they

904
00:45:20,453 --> 00:45:22,853
Speaker 18: get the night off, whatever it may be, and sentivize

905
00:45:22,853 --> 00:45:25,973
Speaker 18: these waters and maitresses. Because it's shocking in New Zealand. Yeap,

906
00:45:27,373 --> 00:45:29,213
Speaker 18: But anyway, So I think the hospital has them, not

907
00:45:29,253 --> 00:45:32,773
Speaker 18: themselves blamed when it comes to service and things like that.

908
00:45:32,893 --> 00:45:35,973
Speaker 18: But you know when you get your Indian places, your

909
00:45:36,013 --> 00:45:37,493
Speaker 18: Tie places, they know how to do it.

910
00:45:37,653 --> 00:45:37,853
Speaker 5: Yeah.

911
00:45:38,013 --> 00:45:41,013
Speaker 18: You know five bucks remain you can sometimes get half

912
00:45:41,053 --> 00:45:42,293
Speaker 18: at home and you've got them the next night.

913
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:45,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on joy. Yeah they're not showing the portions

914
00:45:45,493 --> 00:45:48,133
Speaker 2: Tie and Chinese restaurants, no doubt about that, thank you

915
00:45:48,293 --> 00:45:50,173
Speaker 2: very much. I mean, does she have a point? Is

916
00:45:50,213 --> 00:45:52,573
Speaker 2: the service sometimes a bit lacking? In New Zealand? I

917
00:45:52,573 --> 00:45:55,172
Speaker 2: would say I faced it the other way recently where

918
00:45:55,173 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 2: they were almost too attentive, and I know people say,

919
00:45:57,053 --> 00:45:58,333
Speaker 2: I shout out, what are your winging about?

920
00:45:58,373 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 5: Now?

921
00:45:58,533 --> 00:46:02,213
Speaker 2: For Tyler? But seriously they there was three weight stuff

922
00:46:02,573 --> 00:46:05,093
Speaker 2: and maybe they're a bit bored. But we got the

923
00:46:05,093 --> 00:46:07,373
Speaker 2: food and one came up and said, does everything all right?

924
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,373
Speaker 2: And said it it's beautiful, Thank you very much, loving

925
00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:11,813
Speaker 2: the food, compliments to the shift. Then another one came

926
00:46:11,853 --> 00:46:13,533
Speaker 2: out and asked the same thing, and see, does everything

927
00:46:13,573 --> 00:46:15,253
Speaker 2: right with the foo? While I had a mouth and say, yep, yep,

928
00:46:15,293 --> 00:46:17,053
Speaker 2: it's all good, it's all good. Then the third one

929
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:18,973
Speaker 2: came up and asked the same thing. I just looked

930
00:46:18,973 --> 00:46:20,732
Speaker 2: at my partner and said, look, I get I'm trying

931
00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:24,293
Speaker 2: to be polite here, but everything's okay with the food now,

932
00:46:24,333 --> 00:46:25,933
Speaker 2: I just want to eat. But what do you say?

933
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:29,293
Speaker 2: Is service a bit lacking in hospitality and New Zealand? Right,

934
00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:30,733
Speaker 2: we've got Shaan Beck, so we're going to come back

935
00:46:30,773 --> 00:46:32,573
Speaker 2: and have a chat with Sean very shortly. It is

936
00:46:32,613 --> 00:46:33,533
Speaker 2: twelve past two.

937
00:46:35,533 --> 00:46:40,133
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call.

938
00:46:40,293 --> 00:46:42,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk, said be.

939
00:46:45,333 --> 00:46:48,172
Speaker 2: Afternoon, it's caught a past two and we've got Sean back.

940
00:46:48,293 --> 00:46:50,493
Speaker 2: Sure and good a gooday?

941
00:46:50,773 --> 00:46:51,653
Speaker 4: How are you today?

942
00:46:51,773 --> 00:46:54,373
Speaker 2: I am fantastic, really good to get you on the line,

943
00:46:54,373 --> 00:46:56,253
Speaker 2: and thanks very much for holding over the news as well,

944
00:46:56,373 --> 00:47:00,933
Speaker 2: very generous of you. No't worry so you wanted to

945
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 2: talk about the tax on alcohol? Is that right, Seawan?

946
00:47:04,093 --> 00:47:06,853
Speaker 2: You think that's maybe the government regulations are too farther.

947
00:47:06,973 --> 00:47:09,133
Speaker 2: They're causing more harm than good.

948
00:47:10,253 --> 00:47:14,533
Speaker 4: The problem with the discussion you're having today is everyone's

949
00:47:14,573 --> 00:47:18,853
Speaker 4: looking at trying to solve a macro problem with micro changes.

950
00:47:19,573 --> 00:47:23,693
Speaker 4: People go to hospitality when they have disposable income with

951
00:47:23,813 --> 00:47:27,652
Speaker 4: no disposable income, people won't go out no matter what

952
00:47:27,893 --> 00:47:32,613
Speaker 4: the price is. And there's two ways of increasing Kiwi's

953
00:47:32,693 --> 00:47:39,053
Speaker 4: disposable income. One is reducing unnecessary regulation, and the second

954
00:47:39,133 --> 00:47:44,732
Speaker 4: one is reducing taxes. Now, governments never reduced taxes, so

955
00:47:45,253 --> 00:47:48,373
Speaker 4: you need to get rid of useless regulations. Let me

956
00:47:48,413 --> 00:47:51,613
Speaker 4: explain this really simply. If I have a regulation which

957
00:47:51,613 --> 00:47:54,453
Speaker 4: happened on my business, it cost me one hundred thousand

958
00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:58,493
Speaker 4: dollars for some of that was not necessary. I tried

959
00:47:58,493 --> 00:48:01,413
Speaker 4: to explain to the government, But that means they get

960
00:48:01,453 --> 00:48:06,413
Speaker 4: thirty seven thousand dollars less than tact And I was

961
00:48:06,493 --> 00:48:12,133
Speaker 4: talking to a rock. Dollars I spend comes out of

962
00:48:12,173 --> 00:48:16,373
Speaker 4: my profit. They get thirty seven percent of that. So

963
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:19,533
Speaker 4: just multiply that. Well, you know what, look at the

964
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:22,652
Speaker 4: price of petrol. Right, So there's a lot of people

965
00:48:22,733 --> 00:48:27,413
Speaker 4: here that don't believe in the carbon thing, just like

966
00:48:27,453 --> 00:48:30,413
Speaker 4: they don't believe in alcohol. There's always people on either

967
00:48:30,453 --> 00:48:35,053
Speaker 4: side of the debate. But the price of petrols fifty

968
00:48:35,093 --> 00:48:40,692
Speaker 4: percent of that is buying carbon credits fifty cents per lead.

969
00:48:41,213 --> 00:48:45,933
Speaker 4: People would say that's a big incentive to go to

970
00:48:46,213 --> 00:48:53,413
Speaker 4: go out to a restaurant. When your disposable income increases yep. Off,

971
00:48:53,493 --> 00:48:57,413
Speaker 4: you start to look at reducing taxes on individual items

972
00:48:57,453 --> 00:49:04,533
Speaker 4: like alcohol or GST or whatever other impulse the government

973
00:49:04,573 --> 00:49:08,013
Speaker 4: has you For everyone who wants it, you have fifty

974
00:49:08,053 --> 00:49:11,373
Speaker 4: than people against it. Now, if you want to talk

975
00:49:11,373 --> 00:49:14,733
Speaker 4: about alcohol taxes, if you look at you know the

976
00:49:14,853 --> 00:49:19,652
Speaker 4: major alcohol distributors, you have that you know, seven hund

977
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:24,013
Speaker 4: and fifty mili bottle of Jack Daniels yep for forty

978
00:49:24,093 --> 00:49:27,773
Speaker 4: forty five dollars on sel. Only seven dollars and fifty

979
00:49:27,853 --> 00:49:33,013
Speaker 4: cents is the actual cost of alcohol inside the riiskey,

980
00:49:33,053 --> 00:49:37,693
Speaker 4: inside everything else. It's a little bit for transportation, but

981
00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:40,013
Speaker 4: it gets here for ten dollars. It's all taxed.

982
00:49:42,453 --> 00:49:44,733
Speaker 2: But and you're quite right, Sean, there's there's a hell

983
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:46,293
Speaker 2: of a lot of texts when it comes to alcohol.

984
00:49:46,333 --> 00:49:50,053
Speaker 2: But as other people have have alluded to, the thinking

985
00:49:50,093 --> 00:49:54,053
Speaker 2: behind some of that alcohol excise tax was harm reduction.

986
00:49:54,133 --> 00:49:56,732
Speaker 2: And you can argue whether it's been successful. Clearly it hasn't,

987
00:49:56,773 --> 00:49:59,133
Speaker 2: because we've still got a lot of alcohol harm in

988
00:49:59,173 --> 00:50:02,333
Speaker 2: this country. But that is the driving force behind it.

989
00:50:02,373 --> 00:50:04,173
Speaker 2: And I take it that you think that's that's a

990
00:50:04,213 --> 00:50:08,053
Speaker 2: fools gat And there may be some some a little

991
00:50:08,053 --> 00:50:10,733
Speaker 2: bit of here messaging into that message that it's not

992
00:50:10,773 --> 00:50:13,093
Speaker 2: really about alcohol helm it's about the government getting some

993
00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:14,933
Speaker 2: more money out of us.

994
00:50:14,973 --> 00:50:18,093
Speaker 4: Correct Now they have the trouble of they collect so

995
00:50:18,213 --> 00:50:22,133
Speaker 4: much money from cigarettes, people are smoking less. There's a

996
00:50:22,173 --> 00:50:28,413
Speaker 4: tax episet. When you try to target one industry, then

997
00:50:28,533 --> 00:50:34,013
Speaker 4: the other five thousand industries shield agrees. So you have

998
00:50:34,093 --> 00:50:38,133
Speaker 4: a risible situation where you're all running around pointing the

999
00:50:38,133 --> 00:50:44,173
Speaker 4: gun in the circular shootoffs. But what one I've talked

1000
00:50:44,173 --> 00:50:48,013
Speaker 4: to in Parliament is like a political science made. There's

1001
00:50:48,053 --> 00:50:51,533
Speaker 4: not a single businessman there that knows how things operate.

1002
00:50:51,973 --> 00:50:54,013
Speaker 4: But as the national party, it's as bad as labor.

1003
00:50:54,253 --> 00:50:56,373
Speaker 2: But is there not some benefit to having levers? And

1004
00:50:56,413 --> 00:50:58,213
Speaker 2: I understand the point you're making, and you get in

1005
00:50:58,213 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 2: a lot of agreement via text, but is there not

1006
00:51:00,373 --> 00:51:03,333
Speaker 2: some relevance there when you've got a lever And in

1007
00:51:03,333 --> 00:51:06,053
Speaker 2: this case it's regulation and tax on alcohol, but a

1008
00:51:06,133 --> 00:51:10,813
Speaker 2: way to change behavior of consumers, to direct them somehow

1009
00:51:10,973 --> 00:51:14,733
Speaker 2: into hospitality that is of more benefit to this country.

1010
00:51:14,813 --> 00:51:17,973
Speaker 2: You have more people working in that area rather than

1011
00:51:18,013 --> 00:51:20,373
Speaker 2: directing people to their bottle store. Because I've looked at

1012
00:51:20,413 --> 00:51:23,453
Speaker 2: the figures shorn and our level of drinking hasn't changed,

1013
00:51:23,493 --> 00:51:25,773
Speaker 2: so it doesn't matter if there's a cost of living crisis.

1014
00:51:25,933 --> 00:51:28,013
Speaker 2: People are still buying booze. They're just getting it from

1015
00:51:28,013 --> 00:51:29,933
Speaker 2: the liquor store instead of their local cafe.

1016
00:51:31,613 --> 00:51:35,172
Speaker 4: I think it's a fool's choice to be arguing whether

1017
00:51:35,213 --> 00:51:38,772
Speaker 4: you buy it the bottle shop or hospitality through two

1018
00:51:38,813 --> 00:51:42,173
Speaker 4: different groups. You're not going to go, let's go to

1019
00:51:42,253 --> 00:51:44,853
Speaker 4: a restaurant and get hammered, or let's just buy a

1020
00:51:44,853 --> 00:51:49,533
Speaker 4: bottle and drink outside of a paper bag. When you're

1021
00:51:49,573 --> 00:51:53,212
Speaker 4: looking at hospitality, you're an industry. Why does hospitality get

1022
00:51:53,213 --> 00:51:56,613
Speaker 4: a break? Why not pet care? Why not dental care?

1023
00:51:56,773 --> 00:51:59,212
Speaker 4: Why not everything get a target attax break?

1024
00:51:59,613 --> 00:52:01,652
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I believe in.

1025
00:52:01,653 --> 00:52:04,253
Speaker 4: And you see in my accent. I've been living here

1026
00:52:04,293 --> 00:52:07,853
Speaker 4: for ten years. I originally American. What do people decide

1027
00:52:08,333 --> 00:52:11,413
Speaker 4: this was the tax burden? Save a higher disposable income

1028
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:14,573
Speaker 4: and let them decide. I'm not in the business of

1029
00:52:14,653 --> 00:52:18,093
Speaker 4: deciding whether alcohol and the bittle shop is more than

1030
00:52:18,093 --> 00:52:20,893
Speaker 4: a restaurant, but it's one people gone to a restaurant.

1031
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:23,413
Speaker 4: The more disposable income.

1032
00:52:23,653 --> 00:52:26,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, you're certainly right

1033
00:52:26,533 --> 00:52:28,933
Speaker 2: on that account that if people have got more disposable income,

1034
00:52:28,973 --> 00:52:30,893
Speaker 2: then they will be eating out more and spending a

1035
00:52:30,893 --> 00:52:33,733
Speaker 2: lot more of their money doing those those nic to

1036
00:52:33,813 --> 00:52:35,973
Speaker 2: haves rather than the needs. And a lot of people

1037
00:52:35,973 --> 00:52:38,133
Speaker 2: are short on cash at the moment for various reasons.

1038
00:52:38,413 --> 00:52:40,933
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is interesting sure because today there

1039
00:52:40,973 --> 00:52:43,653
Speaker 2: was the news about the subsidy to our film industry,

1040
00:52:43,893 --> 00:52:46,453
Speaker 2: and I take it you wouldn't agree with with that either,

1041
00:52:47,093 --> 00:52:49,013
Speaker 2: even if it does, even if it does bring in

1042
00:52:49,053 --> 00:52:51,013
Speaker 2: that return, if the government is right, and you've got

1043
00:52:51,013 --> 00:52:52,333
Speaker 2: to take it with a grain of salt. But they

1044
00:52:52,333 --> 00:52:55,013
Speaker 2: believe that for every one dollars spending that subsidy, the

1045
00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:57,853
Speaker 2: return on investment is two dollars forty. Does that not

1046
00:52:57,933 --> 00:52:58,413
Speaker 2: make sense?

1047
00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:03,692
Speaker 4: I don't believe that calculation at all. My I've dealt

1048
00:53:03,693 --> 00:53:06,773
Speaker 4: with the Treasury several times and several different businesses and

1049
00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:11,973
Speaker 4: all their numbers are boldus. I wouldn't agree with that

1050
00:53:12,013 --> 00:53:14,732
Speaker 4: at all. But there's one more thing. On the hospitality yep,

1051
00:53:15,373 --> 00:53:18,493
Speaker 4: this is use as regulation. For instance, friends of mine,

1052
00:53:18,493 --> 00:53:21,853
Speaker 4: on the cap day they close on all the major holidays.

1053
00:53:22,093 --> 00:53:25,772
Speaker 4: Why because the twenty two dollars minimum wage to pay

1054
00:53:25,853 --> 00:53:29,212
Speaker 4: you have to double on a holiday and give them

1055
00:53:29,213 --> 00:53:33,133
Speaker 4: a free day somewhere else. So essentially the workers getting

1056
00:53:33,253 --> 00:53:36,813
Speaker 4: eighty eight dollars an hour to work on a holiday

1057
00:53:37,573 --> 00:53:39,613
Speaker 4: and nobody can make money at those wages.

1058
00:53:40,573 --> 00:53:43,053
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and you know, and the cafes pass that

1059
00:53:43,173 --> 00:53:45,093
Speaker 2: on to you know, some of the cafes pass it

1060
00:53:45,173 --> 00:53:47,333
Speaker 2: onto consumers as well, and that you know, if they're

1061
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:49,692
Speaker 2: not going out now, they're certainly not going out during

1062
00:53:49,693 --> 00:53:52,093
Speaker 2: a holiday when you've got a pay next for fifteen percent.

1063
00:53:51,853 --> 00:53:53,653
Speaker 4: Are they exactly?

1064
00:53:53,853 --> 00:53:54,293
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1065
00:53:54,453 --> 00:53:56,813
Speaker 2: Sean, always nice to have a chat with you. Thank

1066
00:53:56,853 --> 00:53:58,772
Speaker 2: you very much for hanging on and having a chat.

1067
00:53:58,853 --> 00:54:02,173
Speaker 2: So what do you think about Sean's proposal there that

1068
00:54:02,333 --> 00:54:04,853
Speaker 2: there's too much government government overreach when it comes to

1069
00:54:04,933 --> 00:54:09,653
Speaker 2: hospitality and this idea of taxi text on alcohol and

1070
00:54:10,493 --> 00:54:12,613
Speaker 2: stepping in too much and you just let the market

1071
00:54:12,693 --> 00:54:15,933
Speaker 2: forces dictate. And when people have more cash in their

1072
00:54:15,973 --> 00:54:19,053
Speaker 2: hands and the economy is working well, more in their pockets,

1073
00:54:19,093 --> 00:54:20,933
Speaker 2: I should say then they are going to be spending

1074
00:54:20,933 --> 00:54:23,213
Speaker 2: in hospitality. Can you get your thoughts I eight one

1075
00:54:23,253 --> 00:54:26,093
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty nine to two ninety two is

1076
00:54:26,173 --> 00:54:28,493
Speaker 2: that text number got to take a break. We're horribly late.

1077
00:54:28,573 --> 00:54:33,772
Speaker 2: It is twenty three past two.

1078
00:54:34,933 --> 00:54:38,053
Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

1079
00:54:37,213 --> 00:54:39,853
Speaker 1: Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on youth Talk

1080
00:54:39,933 --> 00:54:40,853
Speaker 1: said there very.

1081
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:43,533
Speaker 2: Good afternoon due to twenty five past two. So a

1082
00:54:43,653 --> 00:54:46,533
Speaker 2: very interesting call there from Sean. And I should have

1083
00:54:46,573 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 2: said to him actually when he mentioned, you know how

1084
00:54:48,213 --> 00:54:51,733
Speaker 2: many people go to a restaurant to have more drinks

1085
00:54:51,773 --> 00:54:54,013
Speaker 2: than they probably should mean me. I do that often

1086
00:54:54,373 --> 00:54:56,173
Speaker 2: as often a time that I've gone to a restaurant

1087
00:54:56,253 --> 00:54:58,212
Speaker 2: now after two or three wines, I'm like, I'm all in,

1088
00:54:58,453 --> 00:55:01,293
Speaker 2: I'm having fun. Let's go, let's go cost a fortune.

1089
00:55:01,373 --> 00:55:03,253
Speaker 2: But I've certainly done it, and I imagine many of

1090
00:55:03,293 --> 00:55:05,733
Speaker 2: us have as well. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1091
00:55:06,013 --> 00:55:07,933
Speaker 2: is the number to call. A couple of texts and

1092
00:55:07,973 --> 00:55:11,613
Speaker 2: support thoughts of Sean. This American is absolutely right, get

1093
00:55:11,693 --> 00:55:14,413
Speaker 2: a Sean is correct. That's why we don't open. That

1094
00:55:14,573 --> 00:55:19,213
Speaker 2: was Sewan's point about the needing to pay worker is

1095
00:55:19,413 --> 00:55:21,693
Speaker 2: at one point five times their salary during a public

1096
00:55:21,733 --> 00:55:24,573
Speaker 2: holiday and giving them a day in lou If you're

1097
00:55:24,573 --> 00:55:27,133
Speaker 2: a hospitality worker, I'd love to get your thoughts on

1098
00:55:27,133 --> 00:55:29,293
Speaker 2: on Sewan's thinking around that. Clearly, it is a big

1099
00:55:29,333 --> 00:55:32,053
Speaker 2: expense for the hospitality owner. That's why many of them

1100
00:55:32,053 --> 00:55:34,493
Speaker 2: don't open, or if they do, they charge up that

1101
00:55:34,573 --> 00:55:37,413
Speaker 2: fifteen percent. Well, I mean, this is easy for me

1102
00:55:37,453 --> 00:55:40,053
Speaker 2: to say, but I'm okay with paying that extra fifteen

1103
00:55:40,053 --> 00:55:43,733
Speaker 2: percent if I go out during a public holiday, because

1104
00:55:44,213 --> 00:55:46,732
Speaker 2: you know, we all know that hospitality can be an

1105
00:55:46,733 --> 00:55:49,732
Speaker 2: incredibly hard job and we need those workers out there,

1106
00:55:49,733 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 2: and you've got to pay them fairly. And if I

1107
00:55:53,493 --> 00:55:56,973
Speaker 2: weather that cost is a consumer rather than the hospitality owner,

1108
00:55:57,133 --> 00:55:58,813
Speaker 2: then I'm all for it. But what do you say? Oh,

1109
00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:00,292
Speaker 2: e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1110
00:56:00,293 --> 00:56:01,053
Speaker 2: to call get a pull?

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00:56:02,173 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 13: Yes, Hi, how are you?

1112
00:56:03,453 --> 00:56:06,373
Speaker 2: I'm good, beautiful day today, stunning?

1113
00:56:07,253 --> 00:56:12,413
Speaker 13: Yeah, my comments is it not on Sean's call. But

1114
00:56:12,533 --> 00:56:15,853
Speaker 13: I lived in Australia for many years and BYO is

1115
00:56:15,893 --> 00:56:18,573
Speaker 13: a big thing in Australia, So you can bring your

1116
00:56:18,573 --> 00:56:23,013
Speaker 13: own wine. Lots of restaurants, maybe your neighborhood restaurants, you know,

1117
00:56:23,013 --> 00:56:28,133
Speaker 13: like Vietnamese, Thai, Indian, Italian, not the high end restaurants.

1118
00:56:28,173 --> 00:56:31,893
Speaker 13: They usually tend to be fully licensed, but some restaurants

1119
00:56:31,893 --> 00:56:34,853
Speaker 13: are either BYO or the BYO an license. So you're

1120
00:56:34,853 --> 00:56:38,093
Speaker 13: given the option. If it's got the benefit that you

1121
00:56:38,253 --> 00:56:41,213
Speaker 13: choose the wine that you want to bring, you do

1122
00:56:41,333 --> 00:56:44,853
Speaker 13: get charged the cork each and that can vary. But

1123
00:56:44,933 --> 00:56:46,652
Speaker 13: at the end of the night, if you don't drink

1124
00:56:46,693 --> 00:56:48,613
Speaker 13: all the wine, you can put the cat back on

1125
00:56:48,653 --> 00:56:51,093
Speaker 13: it now because it's all screw cap mostly anyway, and

1126
00:56:51,173 --> 00:56:51,773
Speaker 13: take it with you.

1127
00:56:52,053 --> 00:56:53,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that.

1128
00:56:53,693 --> 00:56:56,933
Speaker 13: Seems to work very well in you lived in a

1129
00:56:57,013 --> 00:56:58,133
Speaker 13: city Sydney, and.

1130
00:56:58,773 --> 00:57:00,773
Speaker 2: It's a great idea you can do. There are there

1131
00:57:00,773 --> 00:57:04,013
Speaker 2: are some outlets that do allow bring your own alcohol

1132
00:57:04,013 --> 00:57:06,413
Speaker 2: into a restaurant there mostly I mean this is just

1133
00:57:06,773 --> 00:57:10,493
Speaker 2: my experience, but they're mostly Thaie Asian Chinese restaurants that

1134
00:57:10,573 --> 00:57:13,652
Speaker 2: allow you to bring your own booze. But it's a

1135
00:57:13,653 --> 00:57:17,333
Speaker 2: good idea, I mean, as the restaurant winning in that serration,

1136
00:57:17,373 --> 00:57:19,253
Speaker 2: I suppose they are, because why else would they do it,

1137
00:57:19,493 --> 00:57:21,573
Speaker 2: but that hoping that you buy a significant amount of

1138
00:57:21,613 --> 00:57:25,133
Speaker 2: food when you bring your wine in as well well.

1139
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:28,693
Speaker 13: I guess, but they do also the corkage that they charge,

1140
00:57:28,773 --> 00:57:30,613
Speaker 13: they say that can vary. I mean, we lived in

1141
00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 13: an Italian sort of area, so there are loads of

1142
00:57:33,373 --> 00:57:37,653
Speaker 13: Italian restaurants that offer that option as well. But you know,

1143
00:57:37,693 --> 00:57:40,533
Speaker 13: you serve yourself generally, you know, so you puy as

1144
00:57:40,573 --> 00:57:44,053
Speaker 13: much as you want in the glass and you're paying

1145
00:57:44,093 --> 00:57:46,253
Speaker 13: the corkage to take care of the washing up obviously,

1146
00:57:46,293 --> 00:57:48,333
Speaker 13: but say if you don't finish or you can take

1147
00:57:48,373 --> 00:57:52,013
Speaker 13: it with you. It's just another option. And we always

1148
00:57:52,053 --> 00:57:54,373
Speaker 13: used to hunt out those restaurants, as I said, the

1149
00:57:54,453 --> 00:57:57,693
Speaker 13: high end restaurants, you know, like down at the Circle

1150
00:57:57,693 --> 00:58:01,373
Speaker 13: of Key and and places like that. They're always fully licensed.

1151
00:58:01,373 --> 00:58:03,893
Speaker 13: You don't get an option to bby open. The neighborhood

1152
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:08,333
Speaker 13: restaurant's definitely a big thing over there I have come across,

1153
00:58:08,413 --> 00:58:12,013
Speaker 13: so I think one I think in Auckland that does

1154
00:58:12,133 --> 00:58:17,653
Speaker 13: do be whyo rare in beautiful toronas so, but it's

1155
00:58:17,693 --> 00:58:19,653
Speaker 13: not as popular as what it is in Australia.

1156
00:58:20,013 --> 00:58:22,493
Speaker 2: A pretty commonplace down in Christoots, I've got to say, Paul.

1157
00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:25,693
Speaker 2: But the thing with the b y restaurants is they

1158
00:58:25,773 --> 00:58:27,573
Speaker 2: tend to get pretty loose as the night goes on,

1159
00:58:27,653 --> 00:58:29,813
Speaker 2: because when people are bringing their own poops into a

1160
00:58:29,853 --> 00:58:33,333
Speaker 2: situation and they can pour their own. Yeah, sometimes I

1161
00:58:33,333 --> 00:58:34,973
Speaker 2: feel for the staff when there's a big group and

1162
00:58:35,013 --> 00:58:36,253
Speaker 2: it gets gets pretty rowdy.

1163
00:58:37,373 --> 00:58:41,653
Speaker 13: Yeah, yes, I guess I'll tell self responsibility and self

1164
00:58:41,693 --> 00:58:44,973
Speaker 13: control there along the line with service, I find it

1165
00:58:45,453 --> 00:58:47,893
Speaker 13: I haven't come across really bad service here because I

1166
00:58:47,893 --> 00:58:51,133
Speaker 13: find most of the waiters and waitresses on their OI

1167
00:58:51,293 --> 00:58:55,253
Speaker 13: experience from places like Britain or Europe or South America,

1168
00:58:55,493 --> 00:58:58,853
Speaker 13: and they're always quite the same as New Zealanders. Go

1169
00:58:58,933 --> 00:59:01,133
Speaker 13: on there are we and work in Britain and Australia.

1170
00:59:01,453 --> 00:59:03,613
Speaker 13: You know, people come from the wild and they're usually

1171
00:59:03,733 --> 00:59:06,853
Speaker 13: very pleasant and the lady is lucky enough to go

1172
00:59:06,893 --> 00:59:09,773
Speaker 13: to a restaurant where they give huge cautions. The option

1173
00:59:09,933 --> 00:59:11,533
Speaker 13: is as well, you could always ask for it to

1174
00:59:11,573 --> 00:59:13,853
Speaker 13: be boxed at the end if you can't eat your food,

1175
00:59:13,933 --> 00:59:16,173
Speaker 13: or your food to take it home box and have it.

1176
00:59:16,733 --> 00:59:20,493
Speaker 2: Doggy begs for lunch. Yeah begs. Yeah, absolutely, it's a

1177
00:59:20,493 --> 00:59:25,453
Speaker 2: beautiful lunch the next day. Yeah, just quickly, just because

1178
00:59:25,453 --> 00:59:27,613
Speaker 2: we've got the headlines hot on our tail. But being

1179
00:59:27,693 --> 00:59:30,453
Speaker 2: in Australia, I was just trying to find the information out.

1180
00:59:30,573 --> 00:59:34,373
Speaker 2: Is it true that to buy alcohol off license from

1181
00:59:34,373 --> 00:59:37,533
Speaker 2: a bottle store significantly more expensive than here, But is

1182
00:59:37,613 --> 00:59:41,453
Speaker 2: there some rationale behind that to direct people more to

1183
00:59:41,493 --> 00:59:43,253
Speaker 2: hospital in Australia or is that part of the reason

1184
00:59:43,253 --> 00:59:45,413
Speaker 2: why booze is a bit more expensive than a bottlestore.

1185
00:59:46,653 --> 00:59:49,773
Speaker 13: I can answer that. To be honest, I do know

1186
00:59:49,853 --> 00:59:54,373
Speaker 13: that having recently been in Britain for a while I'm British, obviously,

1187
00:59:55,653 --> 00:59:59,013
Speaker 13: I found some New Zealand wine over the cheaper to

1188
00:59:59,093 --> 01:00:00,933
Speaker 13: buy than here in New Zealand.

1189
01:00:02,013 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 2: You're going to upset a lot of people, Paul. That's

1190
01:00:04,333 --> 01:00:07,013
Speaker 2: you know that that is a sow point for many

1191
01:00:07,013 --> 01:00:10,053
Speaker 2: New Zealanders, whether it's our or lamb or butter, to

1192
01:00:10,093 --> 01:00:13,133
Speaker 2: see those processes of those products overseas. But yeah, sorry,

1193
01:00:13,213 --> 01:00:16,093
Speaker 2: I know. I mean, look, that is how the world

1194
01:00:16,093 --> 01:00:18,493
Speaker 2: economy works. It's just the reality of it. It sucks

1195
01:00:18,493 --> 01:00:20,893
Speaker 2: for a lot of us in New Zealand when our

1196
01:00:20,933 --> 01:00:23,533
Speaker 2: products have been sold for cheaper overseas, but you know,

1197
01:00:23,613 --> 01:00:25,293
Speaker 2: there as market forces are playing at the end of

1198
01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:25,973
Speaker 2: the day, isn't it.

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01:00:26,733 --> 01:00:28,613
Speaker 13: But I also have to say that the New Zealand

1200
01:00:28,733 --> 01:00:34,533
Speaker 13: brand in well the UK is one of quality. Everybody

1201
01:00:34,653 --> 01:00:38,453
Speaker 13: associates quality with New Zealand, and they loved the New

1202
01:00:38,573 --> 01:00:41,613
Speaker 13: Zealand wines. They loved the New Zealand lamb, the New

1203
01:00:41,733 --> 01:00:44,973
Speaker 13: Zealand butter as well, So you know, so yeah, but

1204
01:00:45,133 --> 01:00:46,973
Speaker 13: I guess that's the way the will, but that was

1205
01:00:47,013 --> 01:00:50,133
Speaker 13: my thought mainly on the BYO thing, if that could

1206
01:00:50,173 --> 01:00:52,933
Speaker 13: be an option. And yeah, hospitality is a big thing,

1207
01:00:52,973 --> 01:00:55,493
Speaker 13: and as you said sort of earlier on, we hate

1208
01:00:55,493 --> 01:00:59,373
Speaker 13: to see restaurants sort of go under because there's such

1209
01:00:59,373 --> 01:01:01,573
Speaker 13: a big thing in our lives. Aren't there a great

1210
01:01:01,573 --> 01:01:04,053
Speaker 13: thing to opportunity to get together with friends, go up

1211
01:01:04,053 --> 01:01:05,813
Speaker 13: for a special time and that type of thing.

1212
01:01:05,893 --> 01:01:08,453
Speaker 2: So it's a brilliant part of any community, absolutely, and

1213
01:01:08,453 --> 01:01:10,053
Speaker 2: we've all got our locals that we love to go

1214
01:01:10,093 --> 01:01:11,573
Speaker 2: down to you and as you say, Paul, it's about

1215
01:01:11,573 --> 01:01:15,053
Speaker 2: that connection and socializing, which is a massive part of

1216
01:01:15,093 --> 01:01:19,773
Speaker 2: mental health and a good society. So we're no doubt

1217
01:01:19,813 --> 01:01:22,213
Speaker 2: going to lose many of our restaurants in tough times,

1218
01:01:22,253 --> 01:01:24,693
Speaker 2: but if more and more start to go, then we're

1219
01:01:24,733 --> 01:01:26,373
Speaker 2: all going to suffer, no doubt about it. But thank

1220
01:01:26,373 --> 01:01:29,333
Speaker 2: you very much, Paul. That's a good point about b YO. Right,

1221
01:01:29,333 --> 01:01:31,533
Speaker 2: we'll pick this up for a little bit after the headlines.

1222
01:01:31,573 --> 01:01:34,093
Speaker 2: Can you get your thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten

1223
01:01:34,253 --> 01:01:37,253
Speaker 2: eighty Have you changed your dining habits and what if

1224
01:01:37,253 --> 01:01:40,213
Speaker 2: anything needs to happen to try and help out hospitality

1225
01:01:40,253 --> 01:01:43,173
Speaker 2: get through these tough times. It is twenty eight to

1226
01:01:43,253 --> 01:01:45,653
Speaker 2: three back very shortly. You listening to news talks, he'd.

1227
01:01:45,533 --> 01:01:50,213
Speaker 3: Be youth talks. It'd be headlines.

1228
01:01:50,333 --> 01:01:53,333
Speaker 12: We're blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue

1229
01:01:53,333 --> 01:01:57,893
Speaker 12: bubble or Tamaitikei admits areas of its youth boot camp

1230
01:01:57,933 --> 01:02:01,933
Speaker 12: can be strengthened, including staffing and cultural elements, but its

1231
01:02:02,013 --> 01:02:05,533
Speaker 12: report on the pilot fines the results encouraging. It says

1232
01:02:05,533 --> 01:02:09,133
Speaker 12: although seven out of the eleven participants reoffend and non

1233
01:02:09,293 --> 01:02:13,693
Speaker 12: attendees had worse outcomes. The Prime Minister says he's confident

1234
01:02:13,733 --> 01:02:16,173
Speaker 12: will get a free trade agreement across the line with

1235
01:02:16,293 --> 01:02:20,453
Speaker 12: India soon and although the country's a hard negotiator, he

1236
01:02:20,533 --> 01:02:24,053
Speaker 12: wants the best deal we can secure. Auckland police have

1237
01:02:24,093 --> 01:02:27,893
Speaker 12: found weapons and drugs, including ketamine and a small home

1238
01:02:27,933 --> 01:02:32,893
Speaker 12: made explosive device after searching a Takapuna property yesterday. A

1239
01:02:33,013 --> 01:02:36,613
Speaker 12: man's been charged under the rimy for discharging blood and

1240
01:02:36,653 --> 01:02:40,093
Speaker 12: contaminants where they could enter water after complaints of a

1241
01:02:40,173 --> 01:02:45,453
Speaker 12: stench at a Southland slink skin factory. Avalanche conditions are

1242
01:02:45,453 --> 01:02:48,773
Speaker 12: holding back repairs to Great Walk bridges batted by recent

1243
01:02:48,853 --> 01:02:52,453
Speaker 12: spring storms. Doc Hope Milford Track will still reopen on

1244
01:02:52,493 --> 01:02:56,173
Speaker 12: November nineteen, but alpine sections of the Kepler and root

1245
01:02:56,173 --> 01:03:00,373
Speaker 12: Boon tracks are still closed. All one hundred and twenty

1246
01:03:00,413 --> 01:03:04,573
Speaker 12: properties in an exclusive or Etangi hot spot on Waheki

1247
01:03:04,613 --> 01:03:08,773
Speaker 12: Island will be revalued by Auckland Council. Up more it

1248
01:03:08,933 --> 01:03:12,253
Speaker 12: ends in here all premium back Martin matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1249
01:03:12,293 --> 01:03:14,213
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan. We've been talking about the

1250
01:03:14,213 --> 01:03:17,933
Speaker 2: hospitality industry. It's long been known, it's it's battled over

1251
01:03:17,973 --> 01:03:21,053
Speaker 2: the past couple of years. Twenty five hundred restaurants, cafes

1252
01:03:21,053 --> 01:03:23,333
Speaker 2: and bars have closed their doors over the past year,

1253
01:03:23,773 --> 01:03:26,013
Speaker 2: but more and more saying that we're changing our dining habits.

1254
01:03:26,053 --> 01:03:27,693
Speaker 2: So we'll take a few more calls on this. Have

1255
01:03:27,773 --> 01:03:29,733
Speaker 2: you stopped going out as much as you have? And

1256
01:03:29,773 --> 01:03:31,573
Speaker 2: when you do go out, are you just not ordering

1257
01:03:31,613 --> 01:03:33,613
Speaker 2: booze de dessert? A you sharing your mains? So what

1258
01:03:33,613 --> 01:03:35,413
Speaker 2: one hundred and eight ten eighty is that number to call?

1259
01:03:35,693 --> 01:03:37,893
Speaker 2: Hey you Loyd Gooday?

1260
01:03:38,133 --> 01:03:41,053
Speaker 19: Yes, a little well known secret that I'm going to

1261
01:03:41,133 --> 01:03:44,973
Speaker 19: share with you. We have we have two pubs in Devonport.

1262
01:03:45,013 --> 01:03:47,613
Speaker 19: Of course, they are they got to pay for your boats.

1263
01:03:47,653 --> 01:03:52,093
Speaker 19: But every other cafe and a small restaurant in Devonport.

1264
01:03:51,773 --> 01:03:53,453
Speaker 2: All the way out the whole lot, right.

1265
01:03:53,693 --> 01:03:59,133
Speaker 19: So we've got two two Indian, a tie, two Italians,

1266
01:03:59,133 --> 01:04:01,693
Speaker 19: a Greek and a Persian and they're all bee way

1267
01:04:01,693 --> 01:04:04,933
Speaker 19: over and they will charge between four to ten twelve

1268
01:04:04,933 --> 01:04:09,133
Speaker 19: dollars a bottle corbage. And since we like our wine,

1269
01:04:09,133 --> 01:04:12,773
Speaker 19: we take it with us of course friends and we

1270
01:04:12,813 --> 01:04:14,973
Speaker 19: get a regionally value meil and we can enjoy our

1271
01:04:14,973 --> 01:04:16,773
Speaker 19: own wine and its extremely well.

1272
01:04:16,893 --> 01:04:19,373
Speaker 2: Sounds like good times in Devenport. So so why is it?

1273
01:04:19,493 --> 01:04:21,653
Speaker 2: Why is is that a Devenport thing? Is it something

1274
01:04:21,653 --> 01:04:23,173
Speaker 2: to do with You're right?

1275
01:04:23,253 --> 01:04:29,093
Speaker 19: Yeah, if you go up to Taka, everything's everything's license licensed.

1276
01:04:29,253 --> 01:04:31,533
Speaker 19: I don't think there are too many byos and.

1277
01:04:33,133 --> 01:04:33,373
Speaker 11: Check a.

1278
01:04:33,733 --> 01:04:35,453
Speaker 19: But everything in Devenport.

1279
01:04:35,093 --> 01:04:37,693
Speaker 2: Is yeah right, and it works pretty well. There's there's

1280
01:04:37,693 --> 01:04:39,453
Speaker 2: not too many people that get too sloppy with the

1281
01:04:39,453 --> 01:04:39,853
Speaker 2: b wyo.

1282
01:04:41,053 --> 01:04:42,053
Speaker 19: They just get kicked out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough to yeah, pretty they run a

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Speaker 2: pretty tight type shit. I've got to say some of

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01:04:47,773 --> 01:04:50,653
Speaker 2: those Chinese and Entai restaurants when they've got byoh, they

1286
01:04:50,693 --> 01:04:53,733
Speaker 2: don't have any security anything else. They're just pretty staunch

1287
01:04:53,813 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 2: owners and when it gets a bit loose, they just

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Speaker 2: whip them out. They they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 20: I agree with you, and I think that in all

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01:05:01,813 --> 01:05:05,533
Speaker 20: my experience of dining at BO, the number of times

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Speaker 20: you've come across someone who's got out of control would

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Speaker 20: be on finger of one finger.

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Speaker 14: So very rare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lloyd, nice to hear from you. So BYO Central

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01:05:13,733 --> 01:05:15,973
Speaker 2: and Devenport. Good to know that's where I'm heading this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic right, That is where we'll leave it on. Maybe

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Speaker 2: a couple more texts because We've had so many texts

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01:05:20,693 --> 01:05:22,773
Speaker 2: coming through and I've neglected that. And actually I did

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Speaker 2: say I've got an email, so I'll get to their

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01:05:24,213 --> 01:05:27,013
Speaker 2: email before we wrap this one up as well. Sorry

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Speaker 2: to disagree with you a little bit, Tyler. That's fine, Well,

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01:05:29,693 --> 01:05:33,453
Speaker 2: I love disagreement. Many hospore taking the mick. Let's allow

1303
01:05:33,533 --> 01:05:36,293
Speaker 2: an inflation rate over the last five years being thirty percent.

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01:05:36,653 --> 01:05:38,813
Speaker 2: Something that costs thirty dollars five years ago should be

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01:05:38,853 --> 01:05:40,893
Speaker 2: priced at thirty nine dollars, but it's often charged at

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01:05:40,893 --> 01:05:43,693
Speaker 2: fifty to sixty. As you say, how can two burgers

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01:05:43,733 --> 01:05:46,933
Speaker 2: cost the consumer sixty bucks? Hospo or kill themselves if

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01:05:46,973 --> 01:05:49,053
Speaker 2: they price themselves out of the business if they don't

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01:05:49,053 --> 01:05:52,613
Speaker 2: meet the proper price quality equation. No different from any

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Speaker 2: other business. Thank you, and this one on the other side. Damn,

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01:05:56,013 --> 01:05:58,573
Speaker 2: this topic is annoying me. Do people realize the overheads

1312
01:05:58,573 --> 01:06:03,653
Speaker 2: on hospitality, rent, staff, wages, food, tax, etc. It's bloody

1313
01:06:03,693 --> 01:06:06,813
Speaker 2: hard business to work in. Give us a break. Thank

1314
01:06:06,853 --> 01:06:09,733
Speaker 2: you very much for those text Now just bear with me.

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Speaker 2: Why find this email from the restaurant too? Here it

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01:06:12,133 --> 01:06:15,493
Speaker 2: is get A Tyler. I run several restaurants in New Zealand.

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01:06:15,573 --> 01:06:18,413
Speaker 2: Ran several restaurants in New Zealand before leaving a year

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01:06:18,413 --> 01:06:21,013
Speaker 2: ago it was too hard to go into profit. Now,

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01:06:21,093 --> 01:06:23,373
Speaker 2: living in Bali, I can eat at fine dining restaurants

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01:06:23,413 --> 01:06:26,493
Speaker 2: with amazing service and a six course tasting menu with

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01:06:26,613 --> 01:06:30,013
Speaker 2: two cocktails. That sets me back New Zealand sixty five dollars.

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01:06:30,453 --> 01:06:33,453
Speaker 2: A casual restaurant will cost around New Zealand thirty dollars

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01:06:33,453 --> 01:06:36,213
Speaker 2: for two courses and a few bin tang bears. The

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01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:39,493
Speaker 2: family style sharing concept changed New Zealand dining, and I

1325
01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:42,733
Speaker 2: suggest people look for two or three course specials Wellington

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01:06:42,773 --> 01:06:44,973
Speaker 2: on a plate that is a great event. It's a

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01:06:44,973 --> 01:06:47,333
Speaker 2: good example where you can dine out on special pricing.

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01:06:47,373 --> 01:06:50,093
Speaker 2: I get all of my meals delivered here and spends

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Speaker 2: between n Z ten bucks to fifteen bucks a day

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Speaker 2: total on meals. That's from Chris. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: If you're worried about the price of food in New Zealand,

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01:06:57,053 --> 01:07:00,413
Speaker 2: go to Bali. It's always a good time. Right, let's

1333
01:07:00,413 --> 01:07:02,453
Speaker 2: get into this one because we've had a good chat

1334
01:07:02,493 --> 01:07:04,733
Speaker 2: about hospitality and think it everyone who called in text

1335
01:07:04,773 --> 01:07:06,133
Speaker 2: on that one. But let's have a chat about this

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01:07:06,213 --> 01:07:11,613
Speaker 2: KFC latest promo that is absolutely upset many many New

1337
01:07:11,693 --> 01:07:15,213
Speaker 2: Zealanders the Advertising Standard Authority. They are now dealing with

1338
01:07:15,253 --> 01:07:17,933
Speaker 2: fifty complaints over this particular ad. So here's just a

1339
01:07:18,013 --> 01:07:20,413
Speaker 2: weiry taste of that particular ad.

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Speaker 3: Hello New Zealand, Time the Colonel Hacker.

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Speaker 2: So that just gives you a wee taste of it.

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01:07:26,653 --> 01:07:28,373
Speaker 2: We don't want to play out the whole ad because

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01:07:28,453 --> 01:07:30,533
Speaker 2: you know, they pay good money for advertising, so we

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01:07:30,533 --> 01:07:32,573
Speaker 2: don't want to give you the specials that they're trying

1345
01:07:32,613 --> 01:07:35,973
Speaker 2: to promote. But it's effectively and I reimagine Colonel Sanders.

1346
01:07:35,973 --> 01:07:39,213
Speaker 2: He's a hoodie wearing hacker and they say they're breaking

1347
01:07:39,253 --> 01:07:41,853
Speaker 2: into deliver these cheap meal deals. So the brand called

1348
01:07:41,853 --> 01:07:45,733
Speaker 2: it disruptive, but many kiwis found it creepy and tone death,

1349
01:07:45,893 --> 01:07:49,533
Speaker 2: especially with real cybercrime on the rise. As I said before,

1350
01:07:49,533 --> 01:07:53,173
Speaker 2: the ASA is now investigating fifty complaints. That makes it

1351
01:07:53,213 --> 01:07:56,253
Speaker 2: one of the most complained about ads this year. So

1352
01:07:56,533 --> 01:07:59,213
Speaker 2: was there edgy marketing or just a cringy attempt to

1353
01:07:59,293 --> 01:08:02,013
Speaker 2: go viral? Personally, I've got to say the KFC ads

1354
01:08:02,013 --> 01:08:04,293
Speaker 2: are always pretty bad. I don't know if they've ever

1355
01:08:04,373 --> 01:08:07,133
Speaker 2: really hit the mark. Same with Pizza Hut and some

1356
01:08:07,173 --> 01:08:09,173
Speaker 2: of those other farts. So McDonald is a right they

1357
01:08:09,213 --> 01:08:11,733
Speaker 2: do all right from time to time, but KFC is

1358
01:08:11,853 --> 01:08:16,053
Speaker 2: just always just bad, cringey. They're never that funny. So

1359
01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:17,973
Speaker 2: what did you reckon about this ad? Did it scare

1360
01:08:18,013 --> 01:08:20,412
Speaker 2: your kids as many people said online? Did you think

1361
01:08:20,412 --> 01:08:23,773
Speaker 2: it was a bit tone deaf? The implication here is

1362
01:08:23,853 --> 01:08:26,372
Speaker 2: that many people are dealing with cybercrime. I mean, it's

1363
01:08:26,412 --> 01:08:29,093
Speaker 2: a bit max headroom situation. But did you really think

1364
01:08:29,093 --> 01:08:30,333
Speaker 2: it was someone hacking your TV?

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Speaker 9: You?

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01:08:31,333 --> 01:08:32,932
Speaker 2: What did you think of you've seen this at oh

1367
01:08:32,933 --> 01:08:34,893
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty If you're one of the

1368
01:08:34,933 --> 01:08:37,532
Speaker 2: fifty people that complain formally, Love to hear from you

1369
01:08:37,652 --> 01:08:40,732
Speaker 2: nine to nine two. Did it hit the nail on

1370
01:08:40,772 --> 01:08:43,612
Speaker 2: the head or was it in bad taste? Love to

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01:08:43,652 --> 01:08:45,173
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts. It as eighteen to.

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Speaker 3: Three back thy surely a fresh take on talkback.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons have your say on

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01:08:52,253 --> 01:08:54,293
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

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01:08:54,293 --> 01:08:57,293
Speaker 2: They'd be very good afternoons you. So we're talking about

1376
01:08:57,293 --> 01:09:00,493
Speaker 2: this KFC AD that's upset a lot of New Zealanders.

1377
01:09:00,492 --> 01:09:03,293
Speaker 2: It's reimagined Colonel Sanders as some sort of hoodie wearing

1378
01:09:03,652 --> 01:09:08,532
Speaker 2: hacker v FA vendetta anonymous style that's breaking in to

1379
01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:12,452
Speaker 2: your transmission to deliver these cheap meal deals. So the

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01:09:12,492 --> 01:09:15,133
Speaker 2: ASA has had fifty complaints. That makes it the most

1381
01:09:15,133 --> 01:09:19,253
Speaker 2: complained about ad this year in New Zealand. Many of

1382
01:09:19,253 --> 01:09:21,973
Speaker 2: those complainers said it was creepy, it was scary for

1383
01:09:22,053 --> 01:09:25,933
Speaker 2: their children, and it was in bad taste considering the

1384
01:09:26,013 --> 01:09:28,173
Speaker 2: number of people dealing with cybercrime at the moment. So,

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01:09:28,293 --> 01:09:30,253
Speaker 2: if you have seen that particular ad, how did you

1386
01:09:30,253 --> 01:09:31,972
Speaker 2: feel about it? Was it a bit on the nose?

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01:09:32,093 --> 01:09:33,412
Speaker 2: I've got to say, I just think it was a

1388
01:09:33,452 --> 01:09:38,293
Speaker 2: bad ad. I thought it was just unfunny. Wasn't that original?

1389
01:09:38,412 --> 01:09:40,412
Speaker 2: You know, Max Headroom, how long ago was that? It

1390
01:09:40,492 --> 01:09:43,492
Speaker 2: was in the eighties, So it wasn't that original. It

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01:09:43,532 --> 01:09:45,893
Speaker 2: wasn't that funny. It didn't make me laugh, and with

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01:09:46,053 --> 01:09:47,772
Speaker 2: the deals even that good. I love k Fry as

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01:09:47,853 --> 01:09:49,532
Speaker 2: much as an next man, but I don't know. What

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01:09:49,572 --> 01:09:52,452
Speaker 2: do you say? One hundred eighty ten eighty get a ray?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 21: Yeah? Well, thanks sol?

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Speaker 2: Hell are you very good?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 2: Were you one of the complainants?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:09:58,772 --> 01:10:00,972
Speaker 21: Well, I didn't complain to the ASA. I just wrote

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01:10:01,293 --> 01:10:06,452
Speaker 21: a nasty worded email directly to KFC asking you if

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01:10:06,532 --> 01:10:11,333
Speaker 21: they were aware of some of the international movements that

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01:10:11,492 --> 01:10:15,253
Speaker 21: are are occurring around the world with regards to hacking

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01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:19,492
Speaker 21: and online violent extremism and coercing young people to self

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01:10:19,532 --> 01:10:22,293
Speaker 21: harm and the like of that. So I just felt

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01:10:22,452 --> 01:10:25,452
Speaker 21: it was in pretty poor taste given given what's going

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01:10:25,452 --> 01:10:28,852
Speaker 21: on around the world. It's almost like the advert where

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01:10:29,053 --> 01:10:33,852
Speaker 21: Prilled Turner's Cars had to remove the advert of the

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01:10:33,893 --> 01:10:36,412
Speaker 21: part of the ad where a call was screeching away

1411
01:10:36,692 --> 01:10:40,572
Speaker 21: and they felt that that was promoting the boy racist.

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01:10:41,333 --> 01:10:44,333
Speaker 21: They just hadn't even considered that that by having a hacker,

1413
01:10:44,372 --> 01:10:47,093
Speaker 21: which is essentially could be a criminal act, that they're

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01:10:47,253 --> 01:10:50,053
Speaker 21: they're eromanticizing it. And you know, there's a there's a

1415
01:10:50,093 --> 01:10:54,253
Speaker 21: wave of criminal activity that's happening in on not the

1416
01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:58,213
Speaker 21: dark Web, but on on file sharing platforms where young

1417
01:10:58,372 --> 01:11:02,333
Speaker 21: children are coersing other young children to commit the most

1418
01:11:02,412 --> 01:11:05,972
Speaker 21: violent self harm around the world. That we just can't

1419
01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:08,132
Speaker 21: be promoting that type of thing. We can't.

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01:11:08,452 --> 01:11:10,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, well do you not think I mean, like I

1421
01:11:10,372 --> 01:11:12,572
Speaker 2: said before, Ray, I just thought it was a stupid ad.

1422
01:11:12,612 --> 01:11:15,892
Speaker 2: I just thought there was no way that anyone would

1423
01:11:15,933 --> 01:11:17,973
Speaker 2: really think it was a proper hacker coming through on

1424
01:11:18,013 --> 01:11:19,532
Speaker 2: their TV seat surely.

1425
01:11:20,053 --> 01:11:22,532
Speaker 21: Yeah, well that's I don't think anyone would have thought

1426
01:11:22,532 --> 01:11:24,333
Speaker 21: that it was just I thought it was in bad

1427
01:11:24,412 --> 01:11:26,293
Speaker 21: taste given and I had a little bit of bit

1428
01:11:26,333 --> 01:11:28,372
Speaker 21: of work in the space and trying to educate teachers

1429
01:11:28,372 --> 01:11:31,293
Speaker 21: and social workers in space, and literally the week before

1430
01:11:31,333 --> 01:11:33,293
Speaker 21: I saw the AD, I was I was speaking it

1431
01:11:33,372 --> 01:11:37,253
Speaker 21: to the Special Education Principals Association of New Zealand at

1432
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:41,652
Speaker 21: their AGM and and the positive conversations we're having there.

1433
01:11:42,612 --> 01:11:46,372
Speaker 21: I was just dumbfounded that then a respected organization like

1434
01:11:46,692 --> 01:11:51,532
Speaker 21: AFC would be would be almost romanticizing a criminal activity.

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01:11:51,853 --> 01:11:54,173
Speaker 21: I think their response to me was obviously I didn't

1436
01:11:54,253 --> 01:11:56,053
Speaker 21: like I said, I didn't complain to the ASA, but

1437
01:11:56,093 --> 01:11:59,692
Speaker 21: they came back quite positively said they were reviewing reviewing it.

1438
01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:02,973
Speaker 21: They weren't quite aware of one of the things that

1439
01:12:02,973 --> 01:12:05,852
Speaker 21: I had highlighted to them in my email, and then

1440
01:12:05,893 --> 01:12:08,973
Speaker 21: I actually didn't see very much of the advert for

1441
01:12:09,372 --> 01:12:11,812
Speaker 21: a week or so, but it certainly then it's been

1442
01:12:11,853 --> 01:12:14,412
Speaker 21: coming through in the on the radio, in a couple

1443
01:12:14,412 --> 01:12:17,412
Speaker 21: of TV ads more recently, so they've obviously realized, well,

1444
01:12:17,452 --> 01:12:20,213
Speaker 21: they made a decision that it's It wasn't as bad

1445
01:12:20,293 --> 01:12:24,333
Speaker 21: as perhaps some of us thoughted with wood Land, but yeah,

1446
01:12:24,933 --> 01:12:26,933
Speaker 21: it's just not smart for this day and age. You know,

1447
01:12:27,013 --> 01:12:31,772
Speaker 21: online crime is rough, online violent coersion is roth. Young

1448
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:34,692
Speaker 21: children are being victimized all around the world every day,

1449
01:12:35,652 --> 01:12:40,453
Speaker 21: and romanticizing a hacker persona is not appropriate.

1450
01:12:40,853 --> 01:12:44,213
Speaker 2: Good on you Ray for calling up and as Ray said,

1451
01:12:44,253 --> 01:12:46,452
Speaker 2: he made a complaint to KFC directly they came back

1452
01:12:46,452 --> 01:12:49,652
Speaker 2: to him with with somewhat of a positive take on it,

1453
01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:54,773
Speaker 2: but it's still played so clearly. I think they realistically

1454
01:12:54,772 --> 01:12:57,572
Speaker 2: they're lapping up the controversy. There's the whole point about

1455
01:12:57,572 --> 01:13:00,173
Speaker 2: advertising writers. It gets people talking and we're talking about

1456
01:13:00,173 --> 01:13:02,452
Speaker 2: it now. But Ray, thank you very much for your

1457
01:13:02,452 --> 01:13:04,412
Speaker 2: phone call and you're getting a bit of support on

1458
01:13:04,652 --> 01:13:06,412
Speaker 2: the text machine. What do you reckon it? One hundred

1459
01:13:06,452 --> 01:13:08,852
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to callus. He says.

1460
01:13:08,893 --> 01:13:14,172
Speaker 2: The KFC advertisement was completely tone deaf and just playing stupid.

1461
01:13:14,213 --> 01:13:17,253
Speaker 2: I agree with Ray, how can you think that's an

1462
01:13:17,253 --> 01:13:21,933
Speaker 2: appropriate way to advertise chicken considering children are watching a

1463
01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:24,853
Speaker 2: mind saw a pop up on the TVNZ plus website

1464
01:13:25,253 --> 01:13:30,052
Speaker 2: and frighten them. Shame on UKFC. And this one goes

1465
01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:33,053
Speaker 2: the other side. Oh my lord, a KFC advert The

1466
01:13:33,213 --> 01:13:35,892
Speaker 2: complainers need to get out more. This world is so pc.

1467
01:13:36,093 --> 01:13:37,652
Speaker 2: So what do you say? Oh eight hundred and eighty

1468
01:13:37,732 --> 01:13:39,892
Speaker 2: ten eighty Rage died say he works in the space

1469
01:13:39,933 --> 01:13:41,973
Speaker 2: with children. So keen you get your thoughts on this.

1470
01:13:42,173 --> 01:13:44,732
Speaker 2: It is eleven minutes to three back very surely here

1471
01:13:44,772 --> 01:13:48,213
Speaker 2: on Newstalks EDB, the issues.

1472
01:13:47,853 --> 01:13:50,333
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1473
01:13:50,572 --> 01:13:53,973
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tayler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

1474
01:13:53,732 --> 01:13:57,133
Speaker 2: EDB, News Talks EDB. So we're talking about this KFC

1475
01:13:57,253 --> 01:14:00,173
Speaker 2: AD the Hacker ad. If you haven't seen it, it's

1476
01:14:00,213 --> 01:14:05,892
Speaker 2: effectively a Tacker type character. It's anonymous v for Vendetta style.

1477
01:14:06,492 --> 01:14:09,052
Speaker 2: Someone some hacker. We're in a colonel and his mask

1478
01:14:09,173 --> 01:14:11,692
Speaker 2: saying I'm breaking into the transmission to give you some

1479
01:14:11,732 --> 01:14:14,333
Speaker 2: good deals on fried chicken. But it's upset quite a

1480
01:14:14,333 --> 01:14:15,893
Speaker 2: few people. And there's a few ticks saying that it

1481
01:14:16,213 --> 01:14:18,733
Speaker 2: hasn't got a lot of people upset, Tyler. There's fifty complaints.

1482
01:14:18,893 --> 01:14:21,572
Speaker 2: That is the most complained about ad in New Zealand.

1483
01:14:21,572 --> 01:14:24,892
Speaker 2: I think if you go to the trouble to write

1484
01:14:24,933 --> 01:14:28,213
Speaker 2: a formal complaint to the ASA, there'll be a lot

1485
01:14:28,213 --> 01:14:30,692
Speaker 2: more people out there thinking that it was in bad taste.

1486
01:14:30,692 --> 01:14:32,772
Speaker 2: But they just haven't gone through that final step. But

1487
01:14:32,812 --> 01:14:34,213
Speaker 2: what do you say? Oh, eight one hundred and eighty

1488
01:14:34,253 --> 01:14:37,372
Speaker 2: ten eighty, there's a lot of people saying, what is

1489
01:14:37,452 --> 01:14:39,572
Speaker 2: the problem here? Oh my god, Tyler. Some people just

1490
01:14:39,612 --> 01:14:41,173
Speaker 2: need to get a life. It's only an AD for

1491
01:14:41,372 --> 01:14:44,532
Speaker 2: f's sake. That's from Steve Kriichie Dickens mate, that ad

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01:14:44,612 --> 01:14:47,692
Speaker 2: is so lame and harmless. Karnism is on the rise.

1493
01:14:47,772 --> 01:14:51,173
Speaker 2: I say, that's from Warzel and this one as soon

1494
01:14:51,173 --> 01:14:53,093
Speaker 2: as it came on, I just muted it. Haven't even

1495
01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:57,852
Speaker 2: heard the full ad. It is horrendous. Get A Edwards,

1496
01:14:57,853 --> 01:14:58,293
Speaker 2: how are you?

1497
01:14:59,372 --> 01:14:59,572
Speaker 15: Oh?

1498
01:14:59,692 --> 01:15:01,133
Speaker 11: Great? Thanks?

1499
01:15:01,933 --> 01:15:04,372
Speaker 22: Terrible, terrible ad. But I think people need to chow out.

1500
01:15:04,853 --> 01:15:06,932
Speaker 22: I think Ray's taking a little bit too far. It's

1501
01:15:06,973 --> 01:15:09,772
Speaker 22: not that that bad and it's not going to cause

1502
01:15:09,772 --> 01:15:13,293
Speaker 22: it's not really bad taste. It's just a badly pitch

1503
01:15:13,372 --> 01:15:16,213
Speaker 22: to give ad. And to be honest, it's working because,

1504
01:15:16,253 --> 01:15:18,852
Speaker 22: as I said, everyone's talking about it, and you know

1505
01:15:18,893 --> 01:15:22,612
Speaker 22: it's on national radio and people are probably thinking, like yourselves,

1506
01:15:22,772 --> 01:15:23,333
Speaker 22: fried chicken.

1507
01:15:23,532 --> 01:15:26,293
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well I think who ever created that ad

1508
01:15:26,333 --> 01:15:29,213
Speaker 2: will be rubbing their hands together and saying, you, beauty jackpot,

1509
01:15:29,372 --> 01:15:33,253
Speaker 2: This is exactly what we wanted, isn't it. I mean

1510
01:15:33,253 --> 01:15:36,253
Speaker 2: when I saw that story from Shane Curry Media Insider,

1511
01:15:36,372 --> 01:15:38,053
Speaker 2: it's a great piece, and Shane is a very good

1512
01:15:38,093 --> 01:15:41,452
Speaker 2: journalist and always a fascinating piece of the Media Insider.

1513
01:15:41,853 --> 01:15:44,013
Speaker 2: But the fifty complaints and I just thought, of all

1514
01:15:44,013 --> 01:15:46,173
Speaker 2: the things that you see on TV, that is what

1515
01:15:46,253 --> 01:15:50,012
Speaker 2: got you raped up? Some lame massad about fried chicken

1516
01:15:50,293 --> 01:15:53,213
Speaker 2: and here's a deal for you, Max Headroom style. I

1517
01:15:53,333 --> 01:15:56,573
Speaker 2: just thought cheaper is that that's what upsets people these days.

1518
01:15:57,093 --> 01:15:59,892
Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean the ale lot better obviously. I mean

1519
01:15:59,933 --> 01:16:01,852
Speaker 22: there's a lot more deserving stuff on TV. I'm watching

1520
01:16:01,853 --> 01:16:04,413
Speaker 22: The Gainster at the moment, and tell you what that's disturbing.

1521
01:16:05,133 --> 01:16:06,732
Speaker 2: What is this a TV show? The Gangster?

1522
01:16:08,732 --> 01:16:11,372
Speaker 22: It gained the Oh yeah, yeah.

1523
01:16:11,293 --> 01:16:13,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, you're a brave man. I've seen it pop

1524
01:16:13,492 --> 01:16:15,492
Speaker 2: up and I just need to get on the right

1525
01:16:15,532 --> 01:16:18,412
Speaker 2: headspace because I know what that that psychopath did in

1526
01:16:18,452 --> 01:16:20,253
Speaker 2: his life, and yeah, I don't know if I can

1527
01:16:20,293 --> 01:16:21,253
Speaker 2: do it to myself. Mate.

1528
01:16:21,492 --> 01:16:24,692
Speaker 22: It looks like a full noise watch that's taken me

1529
01:16:24,732 --> 01:16:29,852
Speaker 22: five days to watch two episodes. It goes terrible ad,

1530
01:16:30,133 --> 01:16:30,652
Speaker 22: but it's.

1531
01:16:30,532 --> 01:16:33,293
Speaker 2: Work nice it would. Thank you very much for giving

1532
01:16:33,293 --> 01:16:38,412
Speaker 2: me a buzz. A couple of texts here, this one here, Hey, guys,

1533
01:16:38,772 --> 01:16:41,852
Speaker 2: regarding the ad, I agree, it's very creepy. When I

1534
01:16:41,893 --> 01:16:44,852
Speaker 2: initially saw it, I was anxious my TV had been hacked,

1535
01:16:45,213 --> 01:16:48,572
Speaker 2: but quickly realized it was an ad. It's horrible, especially

1536
01:16:48,572 --> 01:16:51,052
Speaker 2: with the prevalence of online and phone hacking and vulnerable

1537
01:16:51,053 --> 01:16:54,893
Speaker 2: people which had definitely been taking down scary. That's from Michelle.

1538
01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:58,452
Speaker 2: Thank you for that one, Michelle. There can't be too

1539
01:16:58,452 --> 01:17:00,372
Speaker 2: many people out there that thought it was the real deal.

1540
01:17:00,492 --> 01:17:03,372
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I'm just, you know, showing my age

1541
01:17:03,412 --> 01:17:06,013
Speaker 2: here on the younger side of things, but it was

1542
01:17:06,093 --> 01:17:08,772
Speaker 2: so amateur and amateurish, and I think it was meant

1543
01:17:08,812 --> 01:17:11,492
Speaker 2: to be. Is that part of the problem that a

1544
01:17:11,532 --> 01:17:13,852
Speaker 2: lot of people thought this was a genuine hacking attempt

1545
01:17:13,853 --> 01:17:16,213
Speaker 2: into your TV. There's no doubt about it that there

1546
01:17:16,213 --> 01:17:19,972
Speaker 2: are scumbag scammers and hackers out there that are ripping

1547
01:17:20,013 --> 01:17:21,612
Speaker 2: off a lot of vulnerable people in New Zealand. We've

1548
01:17:21,612 --> 01:17:23,452
Speaker 2: talked about it at length on the show. But I

1549
01:17:23,492 --> 01:17:26,492
Speaker 2: think in that case, when the Colonel Sanders pops up

1550
01:17:26,492 --> 01:17:28,532
Speaker 2: in a mask saying I've got a deal for you

1551
01:17:28,652 --> 01:17:31,452
Speaker 2: on chicken, you can rest assured that that's not someone

1552
01:17:31,492 --> 01:17:34,892
Speaker 2: who's trying to take your year well earned money. Apart

1553
01:17:34,933 --> 01:17:37,052
Speaker 2: from if you want some chicken, of course, great show, Tyler,

1554
01:17:37,093 --> 01:17:39,692
Speaker 2: thank you. Yes, the cafc AD gives me the creeps.

1555
01:17:39,732 --> 01:17:42,612
Speaker 2: I was quite horrified when first saw and heard it.

1556
01:17:42,692 --> 01:17:44,812
Speaker 2: My mind went back to the Book of Stephen King.

1557
01:17:45,013 --> 01:17:48,452
Speaker 2: It should be removed as it sounds like a threat

1558
01:17:48,893 --> 01:17:51,293
Speaker 2: next but not for ear Okay, well, in that case,

1559
01:17:51,293 --> 01:17:54,732
Speaker 2: I'll just pull that to the side and this one. Yes, Tyler,

1560
01:17:54,772 --> 01:17:57,532
Speaker 2: my elderly mother was terrified by the skinny ad. Yeah,

1561
01:17:57,532 --> 01:18:00,492
Speaker 2: that is creepy. That is absolutely creepy. The Ai Woman,

1562
01:18:00,933 --> 01:18:03,013
Speaker 2: which shows a woman who has been cloned. And now

1563
01:18:03,013 --> 01:18:05,892
Speaker 2: the cafc AD is well not very considerate of older

1564
01:18:05,933 --> 01:18:09,892
Speaker 2: people who are afraid of technology, etc. So it shouldn't laugh.

1565
01:18:10,173 --> 01:18:13,133
Speaker 2: But when you watch that ad you can clearly say

1566
01:18:13,173 --> 01:18:15,932
Speaker 2: it's just a lame attempt at KFC trying to shift

1567
01:18:16,013 --> 01:18:19,053
Speaker 2: some chicken. And I love AKFC as much as an

1568
01:18:19,053 --> 01:18:21,492
Speaker 2: ex person, but they never rarely nail it in terms

1569
01:18:21,532 --> 01:18:23,492
Speaker 2: of the ads. I'll just go because I get a

1570
01:18:23,492 --> 01:18:26,932
Speaker 2: waft of that chicken and when I get that craving,

1571
01:18:27,053 --> 01:18:30,492
Speaker 2: nothing else will do. Tato and gravy red rolls. Yeah,

1572
01:18:30,572 --> 01:18:33,133
Speaker 2: good times, but thank you very much. We'll wrap that

1573
01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:35,133
Speaker 2: one up because after three o'clock, I do want to

1574
01:18:35,133 --> 01:18:38,652
Speaker 2: have a chat about getting almost banged up abroad. This

1575
01:18:38,692 --> 01:18:40,812
Speaker 2: is on the back of a kiwi who's been sucking

1576
01:18:40,812 --> 01:18:44,492
Speaker 2: a Balinese prison for eleven years. He's asking the Prime

1577
01:18:44,492 --> 01:18:46,892
Speaker 2: Minister and the government for help to get him back

1578
01:18:46,933 --> 01:18:49,253
Speaker 2: to New Zealand. But want to talk about your near missus.

1579
01:18:49,253 --> 01:18:52,052
Speaker 2: If you've been in a sketchy country or a strict country?

1580
01:18:52,213 --> 01:18:55,053
Speaker 2: Did you almost get locked up or in trouble with

1581
01:18:55,133 --> 01:18:57,213
Speaker 2: the law or authorities love to get your stories. Oh,

1582
01:18:57,253 --> 01:18:59,133
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Nine

1583
01:18:59,173 --> 01:19:00,253
Speaker 2: two nine two is the text?

1584
01:19:01,853 --> 01:19:07,132
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon? It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons.

1585
01:19:06,973 --> 01:19:07,492
Speaker 3: Use dogs.

1586
01:19:07,532 --> 01:19:11,452
Speaker 2: It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program.

1587
01:19:11,492 --> 01:19:13,732
Speaker 2: It's seven past three. Just before we get into the

1588
01:19:13,772 --> 01:19:17,053
Speaker 2: next topic. A couple of texts here around the KFC

1589
01:19:17,293 --> 01:19:20,972
Speaker 2: ad that's freaked a lot of people out. Tyler is crap.

1590
01:19:21,013 --> 01:19:24,612
Speaker 2: Stopped plugging it. It's good stuff, bad chicken. You can't

1591
01:19:24,652 --> 01:19:28,652
Speaker 2: beat it. Absolutely And this one, if you're still watching TV,

1592
01:19:28,732 --> 01:19:30,852
Speaker 2: there is something seriously wrong with you from Martin. Thank

1593
01:19:30,893 --> 01:19:33,572
Speaker 2: you Martin and Tyler. What was the name of that show?

1594
01:19:33,692 --> 01:19:36,293
Speaker 2: The caller said, I couldn't quite hear. So that was

1595
01:19:36,652 --> 01:19:41,852
Speaker 2: a caller Edward who mentioned a new TV show called Monster.

1596
01:19:42,253 --> 01:19:45,652
Speaker 2: The Ed Gains Story, and it is of course about

1597
01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:47,372
Speaker 2: Ed Gain. If you don't know who Ed Gain is,

1598
01:19:47,412 --> 01:19:51,372
Speaker 2: google him, but just be warned. He's a freakish dude.

1599
01:19:51,412 --> 01:19:54,253
Speaker 2: He was a serial killer in America and I'm pretty

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01:19:54,293 --> 01:19:58,492
Speaker 2: sure he was the inspiration for Norman Bates in Psycho.

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01:19:58,853 --> 01:20:01,052
Speaker 2: So it looks like a pretty full noise sort of watch.

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01:20:01,093 --> 01:20:02,692
Speaker 2: If that's your sort of thing, go for Gold. You

1603
01:20:02,692 --> 01:20:04,972
Speaker 2: can find it on Netflix. But that was the show

1604
01:20:05,053 --> 01:20:07,772
Speaker 2: Monster the Ed Gains story, but it looks super creepy

1605
01:20:08,093 --> 01:20:11,293
Speaker 2: right onto this story. So we did float this a

1606
01:20:11,293 --> 01:20:13,293
Speaker 2: little bit earlier in the week, but we didn't get

1607
01:20:13,293 --> 01:20:15,452
Speaker 2: to it. So now we are going to get into it.

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01:20:15,973 --> 01:20:18,412
Speaker 2: We want to have a chat to you about times

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01:20:18,412 --> 01:20:21,213
Speaker 2: that you've almost been banged up abroad, those times that

1610
01:20:21,253 --> 01:20:23,253
Speaker 2: you've been in a country that's a little bit sketchy,

1611
01:20:23,293 --> 01:20:25,572
Speaker 2: a little bit strict, and you almost got on the

1612
01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:28,812
Speaker 2: wrong side of the law or wrong side of the locals.

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01:20:28,812 --> 01:20:30,652
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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01:20:30,692 --> 01:20:33,772
Speaker 2: to call. It's on the back of a kiwi. Anthony D.

1615
01:20:34,093 --> 01:20:37,213
Speaker 2: Melamonch he spent eleven years in a barley prison after

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01:20:37,253 --> 01:20:40,133
Speaker 2: being caught with one point seven kilograms of meth in

1617
01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:43,213
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. He says he was a victim of an

1618
01:20:43,213 --> 01:20:46,652
Speaker 2: online dating scam, but he is now seriously ill. He's

1619
01:20:46,692 --> 01:20:48,973
Speaker 2: been in there eleven years and he is pleading with

1620
01:20:49,013 --> 01:20:51,932
Speaker 2: our prime Minister Christopher Luxen and our government of course

1621
01:20:52,372 --> 01:20:57,133
Speaker 2: to bring him home, especially after seeing other foreigners repatriated

1622
01:20:57,173 --> 01:20:59,852
Speaker 2: through diplomatic deals. This was some of the Balley nine

1623
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:03,693
Speaker 2: that have managed to escape their death sentence in Indonesia

1624
01:21:03,732 --> 01:21:07,253
Speaker 2: and be repatriated back to Australia and an English woman

1625
01:21:07,293 --> 01:21:10,492
Speaker 2: as well who was also so convicted of smuggling drugs

1626
01:21:10,532 --> 01:21:14,293
Speaker 2: into that country. So very soon we will have a

1627
01:21:14,372 --> 01:21:16,732
Speaker 2: chat to his lawyer, Craig Tuck. But before we get

1628
01:21:16,732 --> 01:21:19,612
Speaker 2: to Craig, I really want to hear from you. Have

1629
01:21:19,853 --> 01:21:23,293
Speaker 2: you ever been into a situation overseas in one of

1630
01:21:23,293 --> 01:21:27,412
Speaker 2: those countries, whether it's Bali, Indonesia, Thailand, the Middle East,

1631
01:21:27,492 --> 01:21:30,772
Speaker 2: parts of Europe, where you had a close call with

1632
01:21:30,853 --> 01:21:34,253
Speaker 2: the authorities. You may be unknowingly stepped out of line.

1633
01:21:34,293 --> 01:21:36,652
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a scam that went a little bit

1634
01:21:36,692 --> 01:21:40,012
Speaker 2: too far, or a night out after a few drinks

1635
01:21:40,053 --> 01:21:42,213
Speaker 2: and you did something that almost landed you in prison.

1636
01:21:42,293 --> 01:21:44,213
Speaker 2: Love to hear your stories, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1637
01:21:44,253 --> 01:21:46,892
Speaker 2: ten eighty, what happened and how did you get out

1638
01:21:46,893 --> 01:21:49,372
Speaker 2: of it? Whether it was bartering your way out, having

1639
01:21:49,372 --> 01:21:51,612
Speaker 2: to pay a bit of a bribe, or maybe you

1640
01:21:51,772 --> 01:21:53,652
Speaker 2: ended up talking your way out of it. Love to

1641
01:21:53,692 --> 01:21:56,732
Speaker 2: hear your stories on oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1642
01:21:57,133 --> 01:22:00,093
Speaker 2: almost banged up abroad? Come on through. This is going

1643
01:22:00,173 --> 01:22:03,412
Speaker 2: to be a great conversation. Back very shortly. It is

1644
01:22:03,612 --> 01:22:07,372
Speaker 2: ten past three. You're listening to newstalks 'db New stalks

1645
01:22:07,492 --> 01:22:10,133
Speaker 2: 'd be to you. So I've asked the question, when

1646
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:12,853
Speaker 2: did you almost get into some pretty major trouble overseas

1647
01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:16,013
Speaker 2: in a sketchy country or a strict country, whether that

1648
01:22:16,173 --> 01:22:19,572
Speaker 2: was Southeast Asia, parts of Europe, the Middle East, South America.

1649
01:22:19,692 --> 01:22:21,612
Speaker 2: Loved to get your stories on Oh eight hundred and

1650
01:22:21,652 --> 01:22:23,372
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. It was on the back of a

1651
01:22:23,532 --> 01:22:26,253
Speaker 2: Kiwi man. He's in a Balinese jail as we speak.

1652
01:22:26,253 --> 01:22:28,612
Speaker 2: He's been there for eleven years. He was convicted of

1653
01:22:28,692 --> 01:22:33,333
Speaker 2: smuggling methanphetamine into that country. He said it was an

1654
01:22:33,372 --> 01:22:36,492
Speaker 2: online dating scam. He's quite ill at the moment, so

1655
01:22:36,572 --> 01:22:38,772
Speaker 2: he's actually pleading for our government to bring him home.

1656
01:22:38,812 --> 01:22:40,692
Speaker 2: But can you get your stories? How did it all

1657
01:22:40,772 --> 01:22:42,652
Speaker 2: go wrong? And what happened? How did you get out

1658
01:22:42,652 --> 01:22:44,892
Speaker 2: of it? A nine two ninety two is the text number.

1659
01:22:45,372 --> 01:22:48,213
Speaker 2: This text just came through here. GeTe Tyler. Someone I

1660
01:22:48,372 --> 01:22:50,933
Speaker 2: know did a few years in a tie prism for

1661
01:22:51,053 --> 01:22:54,333
Speaker 2: cocaine eleven in a tiny soil. Had to sleep on

1662
01:22:54,412 --> 01:22:57,852
Speaker 2: the floor. If one wanted to turn over, you had

1663
01:22:57,893 --> 01:23:01,333
Speaker 2: to all turnover. Yuck went in a happy go lucky guy,

1664
01:23:01,412 --> 01:23:04,772
Speaker 2: came out extremely quiet and hardly spoke. I bet that

1665
01:23:04,893 --> 01:23:06,493
Speaker 2: sounds absolutely horrendous.

1666
01:23:06,973 --> 01:23:12,452
Speaker 10: Get a nil, hello, sir. It may be of interest

1667
01:23:13,173 --> 01:23:17,492
Speaker 10: that in the very early sixties sixty one, I sailed

1668
01:23:17,532 --> 01:23:21,133
Speaker 10: from England to New Zealand in my little boat and

1669
01:23:21,933 --> 01:23:25,973
Speaker 10: I was in Panama in the compound there, the American compound,

1670
01:23:26,692 --> 01:23:30,372
Speaker 10: and I very stupidly decided to have a walk in

1671
01:23:30,492 --> 01:23:35,053
Speaker 10: Panama City and in those I mean the president was

1672
01:23:35,173 --> 01:23:38,772
Speaker 10: later put in prison. I mean it was terrible and

1673
01:23:39,612 --> 01:23:42,812
Speaker 10: I was stupid and I went for a walk and

1674
01:23:42,933 --> 01:23:47,413
Speaker 10: the police stopped me, two policemen and demanded my passport.

1675
01:23:47,492 --> 01:23:49,372
Speaker 10: Now there was no law to say you had to

1676
01:23:49,492 --> 01:23:54,133
Speaker 10: carry a passport. I didn't have it with me, and

1677
01:23:54,372 --> 01:23:57,452
Speaker 10: he belted me and threw me in a car and

1678
01:23:57,572 --> 01:23:58,692
Speaker 10: took me into prison.

1679
01:24:00,973 --> 01:24:02,532
Speaker 13: It was very, very horrible.

1680
01:24:02,612 --> 01:24:08,053
Speaker 10: I was terrified, and it was a scam because what

1681
01:24:08,173 --> 01:24:13,172
Speaker 10: they then did I found out later was the police

1682
01:24:13,933 --> 01:24:18,413
Speaker 10: contacted the British embassy and say they had an Englishman

1683
01:24:18,532 --> 01:24:25,213
Speaker 10: in prison, right, and it was a common thing. It's appalling.

1684
01:24:26,173 --> 01:24:30,612
Speaker 10: A representative from the British embassy went to the police

1685
01:24:30,652 --> 01:24:34,692
Speaker 10: station with two bottles of whiskey and five hundred dollars

1686
01:24:34,853 --> 01:24:35,772
Speaker 10: and I was released.

1687
01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:39,692
Speaker 2: You would have been so thankful when they turned up

1688
01:24:39,732 --> 01:24:42,133
Speaker 2: with that we bribe, was I ever?

1689
01:24:42,293 --> 01:24:45,812
Speaker 10: And to give me a roller king They said, there's

1690
01:24:45,933 --> 01:24:51,492
Speaker 10: notices everywhere telling you not to leave the compound, and

1691
01:24:51,572 --> 01:24:54,292
Speaker 10: they went very simple, and they were right. I was stupid,

1692
01:24:54,893 --> 01:24:56,893
Speaker 10: but I was just interested, you know.

1693
01:24:57,333 --> 01:25:00,093
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean many of us would have done that. Neil.

1694
01:25:00,133 --> 01:25:03,692
Speaker 2: You're in a country with some you know plenty going

1695
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:05,173
Speaker 2: on and you think I'll just go for a we

1696
01:25:05,293 --> 01:25:07,013
Speaker 2: wander and have a look. How often do I get

1697
01:25:07,053 --> 01:25:08,253
Speaker 2: to be in a place like this? But I foun

1698
01:25:10,013 --> 01:25:11,852
Speaker 2: you picked the wrong day to do that, and obviously

1699
01:25:12,013 --> 01:25:15,093
Speaker 2: those crabbed cops got you pretty fast, that's right.

1700
01:25:16,253 --> 01:25:21,852
Speaker 10: Oh, the corruption was incredible. But anyway, apart from getting belted,

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01:25:23,612 --> 01:25:25,612
Speaker 10: you know, punched me in the chest, punched me in

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Speaker 10: the side of the head and threw me headfast into

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Speaker 10: a police car. This busted pulled police car and threw

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Speaker 10: me in a and well, I don't want your listeners,

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01:25:39,973 --> 01:25:45,693
Speaker 10: you know, into a little windows through with feces, feces

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01:25:45,772 --> 01:25:50,213
Speaker 10: all over the floor and cockroaches and all. And I

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01:25:50,293 --> 01:25:51,493
Speaker 10: mean I was terrified.

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Speaker 2: You would have thought that was it, right, most of

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01:25:54,293 --> 01:25:56,132
Speaker 2: us would have. When you get chucked into that situation,

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01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:59,372
Speaker 2: you think this is it sne I.

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01:25:59,412 --> 01:26:02,893
Speaker 10: Thought nobody will ever know where I am. But the

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01:26:03,013 --> 01:26:07,572
Speaker 10: police themselves, the corrupt police, contacted the British embassy and

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01:26:07,732 --> 01:26:10,692
Speaker 10: told them, because it was a regular thing.

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Speaker 2: Did they not ask for a bribe right there? And

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Speaker 2: then I'm just surprised they busted you up instead of saying, yeah,

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01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:18,732
Speaker 2: you can either do this the hard way or the

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01:26:18,772 --> 01:26:19,213
Speaker 2: easy way.

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01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:25,492
Speaker 10: Where's your passport? And of course I didn't have it

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01:26:25,612 --> 01:26:29,612
Speaker 10: with me, so they belted me and demanded five hundred dollars,

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Speaker 10: which five hundred dollars you know, I mean they had

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01:26:33,093 --> 01:26:36,133
Speaker 10: twenty effects you box in my pocket. And that's when

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01:26:36,173 --> 01:26:39,492
Speaker 10: they threw in the police car and continued with their

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01:26:39,692 --> 01:26:44,692
Speaker 10: usual run of the mill with the and they did

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01:26:44,732 --> 01:26:49,972
Speaker 10: it with the Americans as well. Eventually the Americans lost

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01:26:50,013 --> 01:26:52,732
Speaker 10: their patients for them. They sent troops in and arrested

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01:26:52,812 --> 01:26:56,293
Speaker 10: the president and everything changed and apparently it's quite a

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01:26:56,412 --> 01:26:58,053
Speaker 10: nice place now, was it?

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Speaker 2: Was it what they call Martyr's Day? Was it in

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01:27:00,732 --> 01:27:01,572
Speaker 2: the mid sixties?

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Speaker 10: Was it early sixties?

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01:27:04,133 --> 01:27:04,333
Speaker 22: Yeah?

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01:27:04,452 --> 01:27:05,012
Speaker 2: Right, yeah.

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01:27:06,213 --> 01:27:09,053
Speaker 10: I can't remember the name of the president, but he

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01:27:09,253 --> 01:27:12,932
Speaker 10: was a drug dealer and the chief of the police

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01:27:13,133 --> 01:27:17,612
Speaker 10: was was a mafio. So I mean it was all terrible,

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01:27:18,253 --> 01:27:22,012
Speaker 10: you know. But anyway, that's about. That's our little story.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story, Neil. And you look, you got

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01:27:24,492 --> 01:27:27,452
Speaker 2: out of it, and now you've got a pretty phenomenal

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01:27:27,492 --> 01:27:31,412
Speaker 2: story to tell people. During your So you did you

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01:27:31,532 --> 01:27:33,972
Speaker 2: circumnavigate a lot of the world in your little boat?

1741
01:27:34,013 --> 01:27:34,213
Speaker 22: Did you?

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01:27:34,253 --> 01:27:36,253
Speaker 2: You went from England to Panama? And then who did

1743
01:27:36,293 --> 01:27:36,812
Speaker 2: you go from there?

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01:27:37,412 --> 01:27:37,572
Speaker 13: Oh?

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01:27:37,732 --> 01:27:39,892
Speaker 10: No, well, what boy?

1746
01:27:39,973 --> 01:27:40,013
Speaker 9: You?

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01:27:40,732 --> 01:27:49,533
Speaker 10: It was England as ours, Madeira, Canary Islands, across Atlantic,

1748
01:27:49,652 --> 01:27:53,812
Speaker 10: all around the Caribbean, then the Marquesa Islands, the two

1749
01:27:53,933 --> 01:27:56,013
Speaker 10: or more two islands too, you know what.

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01:27:56,133 --> 01:27:56,852
Speaker 3: A great land.

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Speaker 2: How old?

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Speaker 10: I can't remember. I'm eighty one now, so.

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01:28:03,692 --> 01:28:07,973
Speaker 2: In the sixties, so so you would have been early twenties.

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01:28:10,093 --> 01:28:12,213
Speaker 10: I've got a wee bit dementia, you know, so I

1755
01:28:12,293 --> 01:28:14,933
Speaker 10: can't remember that very well, which I tell you this

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01:28:15,173 --> 01:28:18,572
Speaker 10: my dear friend, and you're very patient listening to me

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01:28:19,452 --> 01:28:23,692
Speaker 10: that that experience. I've dined out on it rather than once.

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Speaker 2: I would too, Neil. If I had something like that

1759
01:28:26,652 --> 01:28:29,452
Speaker 2: happened to me, I would tell everybody who was up

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01:28:29,492 --> 01:28:32,013
Speaker 2: for listening, and most people would thank you very much.

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01:28:32,133 --> 01:28:34,572
Speaker 2: This text a nice text, great accent, Neil, Isn't it?

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01:28:34,812 --> 01:28:35,093
Speaker 5: Isn't it?

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01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:38,253
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Postman Pat. I love that show

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01:28:38,333 --> 01:28:40,852
Speaker 2: Postman Pat. Actually, Neil, if you're still there, Oh no,

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01:28:40,933 --> 01:28:42,812
Speaker 2: he's just gone. Am I kind of in the I

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01:28:42,853 --> 01:28:44,852
Speaker 2: mean lock you're English. I'm kind of in the right

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01:28:44,893 --> 01:28:48,213
Speaker 2: area there, and I kind of kind of but great accent.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Neil. Oh one hundred and eighty

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01:28:50,013 --> 01:28:51,812
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call Love to hear

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01:28:51,973 --> 01:28:55,333
Speaker 2: your midnight run stories or almost midnight run stories. If

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01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:57,812
Speaker 2: you've almost got into trouble overseas? What happened? How did

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01:28:57,853 --> 01:28:59,732
Speaker 2: you get out of it? Come on through? Nine two

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01:28:59,853 --> 01:29:02,772
Speaker 2: ninety two is the text number. It is nineteen past three.

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01:29:04,093 --> 01:29:05,173
Speaker 2: Craig Puck is a.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heathen tyler. Itams afternoons. Call Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZV.

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Speaker 2: Craigtark is a New Zealand barrister and founder of law

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01:29:16,692 --> 01:29:20,732
Speaker 2: AID International Chambers, specializing in human rights and transnational criminal law.

1779
01:29:20,812 --> 01:29:25,212
Speaker 2: He's represented clients in complex international cases, from human trafficking

1780
01:29:25,293 --> 01:29:29,253
Speaker 2: victims to detained foreign nationals and even celebrities and rock stars.

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01:29:29,572 --> 01:29:33,692
Speaker 2: He's currently representing New Zealander Anthony D. Melmonch, who's spent

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Speaker 2: eleven years in a barley prison, hoping our government will

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Speaker 2: step into help, and Craig joins us now a very

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Speaker 2: good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 23: Well, good morning from Australia.

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Speaker 2: Nice to have you on, Craig. So let's start off

1787
01:29:45,652 --> 01:29:49,972
Speaker 2: with the situation when somebody may get themselves into trouble

1788
01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:52,973
Speaker 2: with the law in a foreign country. So how do

1789
01:29:53,093 --> 01:29:56,892
Speaker 2: people usually end up getting into serious legal trouble abroad?

1790
01:29:57,093 --> 01:29:59,812
Speaker 2: Is it a misunderstanding of local laws, a bit of

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Speaker 2: bad luck or something more deliberate.

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Speaker 23: Well, I guess it starts with everybody's having a good

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01:30:06,572 --> 01:30:11,412
Speaker 23: time until they'm not. And it can be the wild

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01:30:11,492 --> 01:30:15,093
Speaker 23: wild West in terms of jurisdictions, depending on, of course,

1795
01:30:15,133 --> 01:30:17,333
Speaker 23: and where you're holidaying or what you're up to, you're

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01:30:17,333 --> 01:30:23,772
Speaker 23: own business and your engagement with security services, A police

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01:30:23,812 --> 01:30:31,132
Speaker 23: force or others can quickly lead to quite a shocking

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Speaker 23: experience when you're detained if you're not used to it,

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Speaker 23: and then your powers gone essentially, So it's what do

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Speaker 23: you do once you've been detained? So that I guess

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01:30:42,452 --> 01:30:46,132
Speaker 23: that's where everything starts. Out of the blue, you're detained,

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01:30:46,853 --> 01:30:49,852
Speaker 23: Where do we go with that? And in New Zealand

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01:30:49,973 --> 01:30:53,333
Speaker 23: we've got what's called a police Detentional Legal Assistance scheme,

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01:30:53,692 --> 01:30:57,173
Speaker 23: so the police would automatically enable you to make a

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01:30:57,213 --> 01:31:00,772
Speaker 23: phone call to a list of lawyers. So that's the

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Speaker 23: New Zealand situation. Overseas, it's quite different. Some jurisdictions, some

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Speaker 23: strong rule of law juristics, do have a police detention scheme.

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01:31:11,532 --> 01:31:15,732
Speaker 23: Others do not. So it's just assume it's all good

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01:31:15,812 --> 01:31:19,293
Speaker 23: till it's night. You've been arrested, whether that be because

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01:31:19,333 --> 01:31:22,732
Speaker 23: you're out having a few too many and something goes down,

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01:31:23,013 --> 01:31:26,692
Speaker 23: or that you're on business and the authorities decide that

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01:31:26,772 --> 01:31:28,572
Speaker 23: one have a close look at you and detain you.

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01:31:29,452 --> 01:31:32,933
Speaker 23: So the first thing to consider is you're going to

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01:31:33,053 --> 01:31:36,293
Speaker 23: need legal advice and how are you going to obtain

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01:31:36,492 --> 01:31:40,133
Speaker 23: that strong rule of law jurisdiction you will be able

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01:31:40,213 --> 01:31:43,333
Speaker 23: to access a lawyer and others. It's the wild wild West,

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01:31:43,532 --> 01:31:46,333
Speaker 23: so it can be random, feral, and some of the

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01:31:46,452 --> 01:31:51,133
Speaker 23: lawyers can be dangerous, and I'm thinking of some of

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01:31:51,293 --> 01:31:56,613
Speaker 23: the Asian countries where the lawyers, perhaps in a detention situation,

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01:31:56,812 --> 01:31:59,612
Speaker 23: will be working quite closely with the police, so you

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01:31:59,732 --> 01:32:03,213
Speaker 23: need to be aware of that. Interesting to me is

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01:32:03,293 --> 01:32:06,412
Speaker 23: that when we travel, we have insurance for our property

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01:32:06,492 --> 01:32:09,132
Speaker 23: and for our health. But if you look close your policies,

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01:32:09,372 --> 01:32:14,532
Speaker 23: there's nothing at all that relates to being detained. So

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01:32:16,692 --> 01:32:19,692
Speaker 23: m FAT for many people they'd be wanting to contact.

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01:32:21,333 --> 01:32:26,293
Speaker 23: M FAT is not therefore your legal assistance. They will

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01:32:26,412 --> 01:32:29,572
Speaker 23: direct you generally to a list of lawyers in country,

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01:32:29,652 --> 01:32:36,853
Speaker 23: lawyers many who have no experience with police and being detained.

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01:32:38,772 --> 01:32:42,612
Speaker 23: And your encounter is going to be essentially in a

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01:32:42,732 --> 01:32:46,213
Speaker 23: weak rule of law jurisdiction with a fiefdom rather than

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01:32:46,293 --> 01:32:52,932
Speaker 23: with an organization or institution that we're used to dealing

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01:32:53,013 --> 01:32:59,293
Speaker 23: with the police here. So it's going to be a

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01:32:59,452 --> 01:33:03,412
Speaker 23: phone call and it will start with that, and often

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01:33:03,732 --> 01:33:07,333
Speaker 23: we get called from family members or people that were

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Speaker 23: present when the person was detained, and that's the starting point.

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Speaker 2: And when people get they get into trouble and they

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01:33:16,372 --> 01:33:18,333
Speaker 2: get brought into that system. As you say, there are

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Speaker 2: some jurisdictions where the lawyer is presented to them, maybe

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01:33:21,973 --> 01:33:25,372
Speaker 2: working closely with the police. What is it that that

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01:33:25,612 --> 01:33:28,572
Speaker 2: surprises your clients the most if they have been put

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01:33:28,612 --> 01:33:29,452
Speaker 2: in that situation.

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Speaker 23: Well, the first thing is generally just the shock of

1843
01:33:33,772 --> 01:33:41,692
Speaker 23: being powerless, and that's where it starts and what they

1844
01:33:41,732 --> 01:33:44,452
Speaker 23: should say or shouldn't say. Obviously, in New Zealand you're

1845
01:33:44,492 --> 01:33:49,213
Speaker 23: given your rights and depending on the jurisdiction that they change.

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01:33:50,853 --> 01:33:53,692
Speaker 23: But the first thing to remember is respect gets respect,

1847
01:33:55,293 --> 01:33:59,172
Speaker 23: and that you are not obliged to say anything generally speaking,

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01:34:00,013 --> 01:34:05,053
Speaker 23: and that you would want to contact a lawyer to

1849
01:34:05,253 --> 01:34:08,933
Speaker 23: start a conversation. That means that you're keeping the communication

1850
01:34:09,133 --> 01:34:13,372
Speaker 23: channels open and that you're not just being subjugated by

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01:34:13,532 --> 01:34:17,532
Speaker 23: the security services or the police that are dealing with you.

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01:34:18,492 --> 01:34:24,372
Speaker 23: So generally speaking, the police view that as a great

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01:34:24,412 --> 01:34:30,372
Speaker 23: opportunity and speed is everything in terms of getting a

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01:34:30,452 --> 01:34:34,812
Speaker 23: statement and for getting information about you or about matters

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01:34:34,893 --> 01:34:39,492
Speaker 23: that they can subsequently use in court. So you are

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01:34:40,013 --> 01:34:43,932
Speaker 23: generally required to provide information such as your name, place

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01:34:44,013 --> 01:34:49,173
Speaker 23: and date of birth in particulars, but after that you're not.

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01:34:50,213 --> 01:34:53,933
Speaker 23: In some jurisdictions you are required to provide further information,

1859
01:34:55,013 --> 01:34:59,012
Speaker 23: but again it's a matter of talking to a lawyer

1860
01:34:59,053 --> 01:35:05,613
Speaker 23: that you can trust and engaging with m fact if necessary,

1861
01:35:06,093 --> 01:35:11,492
Speaker 23: who can provide other support, not legal support.

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Speaker 2: These are really great tips for people who find themselves

1863
01:35:14,532 --> 01:35:17,173
Speaker 2: in that situation abroad. Can we have a chat about

1864
01:35:17,532 --> 01:35:20,852
Speaker 2: the case of Anthony demail Monch just give us a

1865
01:35:20,893 --> 01:35:23,772
Speaker 2: brief overview. He's been in prison in the Balinese prison

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Speaker 2: now for eleven years. What was the brief overview of

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01:35:27,732 --> 01:35:30,052
Speaker 2: his case and how we ended up in that prison?

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Speaker 23: Yes, so I was engaged quite early on in the

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01:35:34,412 --> 01:35:39,253
Speaker 23: proceedings and flew to Bali and met with the Indonesian

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01:35:40,053 --> 01:35:44,972
Speaker 23: drug squad who had detained him. They were operating, they say,

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01:35:45,133 --> 01:35:52,732
Speaker 23: on information that was obtained through their security services, and

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01:35:53,372 --> 01:35:56,692
Speaker 23: told me at the time I think there were close

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01:35:56,732 --> 01:35:59,372
Speaker 23: to thirty police officers in a small room with me,

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01:36:00,213 --> 01:36:04,612
Speaker 23: that they were going to shoot him wow, and that

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01:36:05,293 --> 01:36:07,812
Speaker 23: the case against him was very strong and that the

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01:36:07,893 --> 01:36:13,612
Speaker 23: information was such that he would be executed. So as

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01:36:13,732 --> 01:36:17,333
Speaker 23: that matter, as we started to explore it and engage

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01:36:17,412 --> 01:36:23,012
Speaker 23: a quite a diverse team of specialist we could see

1879
01:36:23,652 --> 01:36:28,213
Speaker 23: that he was somebody that's come from Wanghaanoi, didn't have

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01:36:28,253 --> 01:36:34,772
Speaker 23: a passport, had never traveled, and was being played. So

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01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:39,412
Speaker 23: long story short, the trial proceeded as it does in Indonesia,

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01:36:40,973 --> 01:36:45,053
Speaker 23: sort of one day a week over many months and

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01:36:46,612 --> 01:36:50,612
Speaker 23: has resulted in a long prison term which hopefully we're

1884
01:36:50,652 --> 01:36:53,052
Speaker 23: going to see the end of soon.

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01:36:55,412 --> 01:36:55,572
Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 23: Just to give you some idea of the situation in

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01:36:59,293 --> 01:37:02,293
Speaker 23: Kraba Khan, and certainly the officials there are doing their best.

1888
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:06,892
Speaker 23: I'm not in any way being negative given the resources

1889
01:37:06,933 --> 01:37:09,973
Speaker 23: they've gotten, their approach. That jail has changed over the

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01:37:10,093 --> 01:37:17,772
Speaker 23: years to be a much more sort of how shall

1891
01:37:17,772 --> 01:37:22,293
Speaker 23: I put it, a much more formal place with security

1892
01:37:23,293 --> 01:37:27,852
Speaker 23: measures in place. So he's there, there's a lot of

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01:37:27,933 --> 01:37:37,133
Speaker 23: foreign prisoners detained on drug trafficking and similar offending. And yeah,

1894
01:37:37,213 --> 01:37:39,852
Speaker 23: so he's kind of worked his way through the system

1895
01:37:41,093 --> 01:37:44,253
Speaker 23: over there and hopefully is ready to come home fairly soon.

1896
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Speaker 2: So obviously he's having some health issues at the moment,

1897
01:37:48,293 --> 01:37:51,213
Speaker 2: and he has made that play with your assistance and

1898
01:37:51,692 --> 01:37:56,892
Speaker 2: others to our government to intervene. What role, if any

1899
01:37:57,013 --> 01:37:59,412
Speaker 2: can the New Zealand government play in this case at

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01:37:59,452 --> 01:38:02,493
Speaker 2: this stage? Can they intervene and talk with the Indonesian

1901
01:38:02,933 --> 01:38:04,772
Speaker 2: authorities to try and work out a deal.

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01:38:06,173 --> 01:38:06,532
Speaker 22: Yes, so.

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01:38:08,612 --> 01:38:14,093
Speaker 23: Have been involved, and they're a very professional organization that

1904
01:38:14,333 --> 01:38:17,452
Speaker 23: have provided assistance in all sorts of ways, but are

1905
01:38:17,572 --> 01:38:21,452
Speaker 23: restricted in terms of what undertakings they can provide through

1906
01:38:21,492 --> 01:38:24,893
Speaker 23: the government and how they are able to engage with

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01:38:25,013 --> 01:38:28,612
Speaker 23: another country's criminal justice system, So that needs to be

1908
01:38:28,732 --> 01:38:31,812
Speaker 23: made very clear. They are an organization that's working all

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01:38:31,853 --> 01:38:35,492
Speaker 23: over the world to assist kiwis and are very professional

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01:38:35,532 --> 01:38:41,572
Speaker 23: in what they do. It's a situation with Tony though,

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01:38:41,812 --> 01:38:44,372
Speaker 23: that we see play out with a whole bunch of

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01:38:44,772 --> 01:38:50,772
Speaker 23: other foreign nationals where governments engage directly at a high

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01:38:50,893 --> 01:38:56,452
Speaker 23: political level to ensure the release of prisoners. And I'm

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Speaker 23: not sure where our government is at with that currently,

1915
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Speaker 23: but it's certainly something that we're all hoping for that

1916
01:39:04,293 --> 01:39:08,333
Speaker 23: they can step in and create a channel to get.

1917
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Speaker 2: He's hoping for a good outcome in Tony's case. Craig

1918
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Speaker 2: really enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you very much for

1919
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Speaker 2: your time and expertise, and have a great afternoon.

1920
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Speaker 23: Thank you.

1921
01:39:17,133 --> 01:39:20,333
Speaker 2: That is Craig Tark, barrister with significant experience and assisting

1922
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:23,572
Speaker 2: those who get into trouble Overseas and obviously representing New

1923
01:39:23,652 --> 01:39:27,652
Speaker 2: Zealander Anthony DMLMNCH who's still still stuck in a Balinese prison.

1924
01:39:27,732 --> 01:39:30,053
Speaker 2: Right headlines coming up with Raylene, then taking more of

1925
01:39:30,133 --> 01:39:34,012
Speaker 2: your stories about getting into trouble overseas. Brian's been holding

1926
01:39:34,053 --> 01:39:36,372
Speaker 2: on for some time. He was arrested in Congo, so

1927
01:39:36,452 --> 01:39:38,052
Speaker 2: there's going to be a great story. It is twenty

1928
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:38,652
Speaker 2: eight to four.

1929
01:39:40,893 --> 01:39:44,612
Speaker 12: You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

1930
01:39:44,732 --> 01:39:47,732
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Gloria Vale has been

1931
01:39:47,772 --> 01:39:50,572
Speaker 12: given another week to submit to the Ministry of Education,

1932
01:39:51,093 --> 01:39:54,732
Speaker 12: hoping it'll let its school continue after a review found

1933
01:39:54,812 --> 01:39:59,213
Speaker 12: it wasn't physically or mentally safe for children. Treasury is

1934
01:39:59,372 --> 01:40:04,133
Speaker 12: warning climate change rising rising sea levels, storms, floods, and

1935
01:40:04,412 --> 01:40:09,452
Speaker 12: others severe weather will exacerbate infrastructure and public investment. It

1936
01:40:09,572 --> 01:40:13,293
Speaker 12: also points out our aging population will pressure superannuation and

1937
01:40:13,452 --> 01:40:17,652
Speaker 12: healthcare orong Talmodi Key says it's loom from the youth

1938
01:40:17,772 --> 01:40:22,493
Speaker 12: boot Camp pilot and although many participants reoffended, the severity

1939
01:40:22,812 --> 01:40:27,172
Speaker 12: was reduced. A person's been arrested after armed police swarmed

1940
01:40:27,253 --> 01:40:31,093
Speaker 12: Innis Road in christ Church's Muddy Hoe. This afternoon called

1941
01:40:31,133 --> 01:40:33,652
Speaker 12: to reports of a gun. Yelling was heard on the

1942
01:40:33,692 --> 01:40:36,412
Speaker 12: street and Mighty Hooe Primary School went into lockdown for

1943
01:40:36,532 --> 01:40:41,852
Speaker 12: a time. Revelations after last month's heis from Paris's Louve

1944
01:40:42,173 --> 01:40:46,372
Speaker 12: that its security system password was its own name and

1945
01:40:46,492 --> 01:40:49,452
Speaker 12: less than half of it is covered by security cameras.

1946
01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:53,253
Speaker 12: Four people have been arrested, no sign of the missing jewels.

1947
01:40:54,093 --> 01:40:59,692
Speaker 12: Irresponsible and creepy watchdog probes fifty complaints about KFC hacker

1948
01:40:59,772 --> 01:41:02,452
Speaker 12: ad You can see more at ensid Herald Premium.

1949
01:41:02,772 --> 01:41:05,652
Speaker 2: That now to matt Ethan Tyler Adams. Thank you very much, Rayleen,

1950
01:41:05,692 --> 01:41:07,933
Speaker 2: And we're talking about almost getting into trouble in a

1951
01:41:08,013 --> 01:41:10,852
Speaker 2: foreign and country, whether that was a sketchy country, whether

1952
01:41:10,933 --> 01:41:15,092
Speaker 2: there was some political unrest. Love to hear your stories

1953
01:41:15,133 --> 01:41:17,213
Speaker 2: and experiences and how did you get out of it? Oh,

1954
01:41:17,253 --> 01:41:19,772
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

1955
01:41:19,812 --> 01:41:21,892
Speaker 2: Brian's been hanging on for some time. Get Abrien.

1956
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Speaker 14: Hi?

1957
01:41:23,213 --> 01:41:24,213
Speaker 2: How are you very good?

1958
01:41:24,293 --> 01:41:24,412
Speaker 8: Now?

1959
01:41:24,452 --> 01:41:26,012
Speaker 2: You're arrested in Congo?

1960
01:41:27,333 --> 01:41:27,532
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1961
01:41:27,732 --> 01:41:30,173
Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, my wife and I we've been away six years.

1962
01:41:30,213 --> 01:41:32,973
Speaker 5: We were returning home and we caught up with a

1963
01:41:33,053 --> 01:41:35,333
Speaker 5: group of twenty or thirty Kiwis and Aussies and did

1964
01:41:35,372 --> 01:41:40,053
Speaker 5: a overland trip round through Central Africa. And I had

1965
01:41:40,093 --> 01:41:41,572
Speaker 5: a bit of a task on the tour, and that

1966
01:41:41,692 --> 01:41:45,572
Speaker 5: was to keep everyone hydrated. The water there wasn't that great,

1967
01:41:45,692 --> 01:41:49,093
Speaker 5: so we used to drink the local beer in quantities

1968
01:41:49,732 --> 01:41:53,772
Speaker 5: and yeah, well you know, you knew you were going

1969
01:41:53,853 --> 01:41:58,812
Speaker 5: to be okay drinking that. We were traveling through in

1970
01:41:58,973 --> 01:42:02,572
Speaker 5: to see the gorillas up in the Congo, and we

1971
01:42:02,692 --> 01:42:05,612
Speaker 5: crossed the border and took with us about sixty or

1972
01:42:05,652 --> 01:42:10,693
Speaker 5: seventy dozen beer and small bottles. No problem, stay hydrated

1973
01:42:10,732 --> 01:42:12,293
Speaker 5: for a week or two. And on the way back

1974
01:42:13,013 --> 01:42:15,892
Speaker 5: we called in a very small village and they didn't

1975
01:42:15,933 --> 01:42:18,093
Speaker 5: have the same size bottles in Uganda, so we bought

1976
01:42:18,253 --> 01:42:21,213
Speaker 5: twenty to thirty dozen of the big bottles, put him

1977
01:42:21,213 --> 01:42:23,052
Speaker 5: in the truck, and we headed off to the border,

1978
01:42:23,732 --> 01:42:26,572
Speaker 5: lined up and we're slowly edging forward and we were

1979
01:42:26,612 --> 01:42:29,333
Speaker 5: sitting there as a group, and just like out of

1980
01:42:29,372 --> 01:42:32,253
Speaker 5: the movies, come screaming down the road behind us, several

1981
01:42:32,412 --> 01:42:35,093
Speaker 5: army jeeps and they scream up beside us and we

1982
01:42:35,173 --> 01:42:37,172
Speaker 5: were all looking wondering what it is, and they surround

1983
01:42:37,612 --> 01:42:40,133
Speaker 5: the truck wall the guns drawn, and then they all

1984
01:42:40,173 --> 01:42:44,133
Speaker 5: start pointing at me, and I'm sitting there going like

1985
01:42:44,652 --> 01:42:47,772
Speaker 5: this can't be happening. And anyway, the gesture for me

1986
01:42:47,853 --> 01:42:49,412
Speaker 5: to get off the truck, and I didn't have a

1987
01:42:49,492 --> 01:42:52,372
Speaker 5: clue what was going on, and some guy in nondescript

1988
01:42:52,652 --> 01:42:55,572
Speaker 5: clothes came up and said he was the local secret

1989
01:42:55,652 --> 01:42:58,612
Speaker 5: police captain, and you know you're coming with me, And

1990
01:42:59,612 --> 01:43:02,372
Speaker 5: luckily one of the Ossie guys on board, very thankfully,

1991
01:43:02,452 --> 01:43:05,893
Speaker 5: he jumped off with me and they put us in

1992
01:43:06,013 --> 01:43:09,093
Speaker 5: this at the back of this army jeep trying to

1993
01:43:09,652 --> 01:43:13,732
Speaker 5: back off into the distance. In the meantime, the trucks

1994
01:43:13,772 --> 01:43:15,452
Speaker 5: weren't allowed to turn around and they had to cross

1995
01:43:15,572 --> 01:43:18,532
Speaker 5: the border and they disappeared, and they had everything, all

1996
01:43:18,612 --> 01:43:23,013
Speaker 5: all our passports and money. So we were I had

1997
01:43:23,053 --> 01:43:25,452
Speaker 5: to say, packing it a bit. And we ended up

1998
01:43:25,492 --> 01:43:28,492
Speaker 5: back in this village and we were taken into these

1999
01:43:28,572 --> 01:43:30,772
Speaker 5: rooms and left in there for a couple of hours,

2000
01:43:30,772 --> 01:43:34,572
Speaker 5: and we had no idea why we'd been arrested. And

2001
01:43:34,692 --> 01:43:36,612
Speaker 5: then this guy comes in and he wanted to know

2002
01:43:36,772 --> 01:43:41,732
Speaker 5: why we had defrauded in this little bottle store. What

2003
01:43:41,893 --> 01:43:46,333
Speaker 5: we didn't understand was everybody bought their beer by putting

2004
01:43:46,372 --> 01:43:49,612
Speaker 5: an empties. Glasses so precious there that if he wanted

2005
01:43:49,612 --> 01:43:51,293
Speaker 5: to buy a beer had to hand over the previous

2006
01:43:51,333 --> 01:43:54,293
Speaker 5: empty bottle, and it was basically swap a bottle. And

2007
01:43:54,452 --> 01:43:57,692
Speaker 5: we had gone and negotiated the price for these thirty

2008
01:43:57,772 --> 01:43:59,173
Speaker 5: or forty crates, Bear loaded them in.

2009
01:43:59,173 --> 01:44:00,212
Speaker 15: The truck and we disappeared.

2010
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Speaker 5: And of course the retailer came out of a small

2011
01:44:04,253 --> 01:44:08,772
Speaker 5: rundown little business and there was no empty beers there,

2012
01:44:08,772 --> 01:44:12,612
Speaker 5: and of course that's a lot of business. So he

2013
01:44:12,612 --> 01:44:14,333
Speaker 5: had gone down the road and reported it at the

2014
01:44:14,372 --> 01:44:17,452
Speaker 5: local army post, and of course they had nothing better

2015
01:44:17,492 --> 01:44:20,412
Speaker 5: to do, so they whipped up and arrested us, and

2016
01:44:20,572 --> 01:44:23,933
Speaker 5: we were sitting there and they wanted to us to

2017
01:44:24,013 --> 01:44:25,732
Speaker 5: pay money, and we had no money because the money

2018
01:44:25,772 --> 01:44:29,932
Speaker 5: had gone across the border with our passports into Tanzania,

2019
01:44:31,173 --> 01:44:34,132
Speaker 5: and so the standoff remained, and we were there overnight,

2020
01:44:34,173 --> 01:44:36,013
Speaker 5: and we had no idea what we're going to do.

2021
01:44:36,133 --> 01:44:38,852
Speaker 5: This was before mobile phones or anything, you know, our partners,

2022
01:44:38,933 --> 01:44:43,333
Speaker 5: everything was out of the country, and it basically came

2023
01:44:43,412 --> 01:44:45,732
Speaker 5: down that after about twenty four hours they came back

2024
01:44:45,732 --> 01:44:48,692
Speaker 5: to us and they said, we can't give you know,

2025
01:44:48,812 --> 01:44:51,452
Speaker 5: we've got no way of paying for anything, and so

2026
01:44:51,893 --> 01:44:56,532
Speaker 5: they thankfully let us go, but they just literally under

2027
01:44:56,652 --> 01:44:59,253
Speaker 5: the cell door and put us out on the side

2028
01:44:59,253 --> 01:45:02,253
Speaker 5: of the street. And again we're now thirty ks on

2029
01:45:02,412 --> 01:45:05,452
Speaker 5: the border with no money and no way of getting anywhere.

2030
01:45:07,013 --> 01:45:09,173
Speaker 5: We were able to talk our way onto a local

2031
01:45:09,253 --> 01:45:13,853
Speaker 5: bus and get back down to the border, and thankfully

2032
01:45:14,452 --> 01:45:18,772
Speaker 5: the team had turned the trucks around and the following

2033
01:45:18,853 --> 01:45:20,812
Speaker 5: day they came back. But we had no idea what

2034
01:45:20,933 --> 01:45:22,572
Speaker 5: we were going to do. We were sitting there begging

2035
01:45:22,973 --> 01:45:25,973
Speaker 5: for water and food from the locals. So yeah, it

2036
01:45:26,093 --> 01:45:29,253
Speaker 5: was a fairly challenging time and quite innoculous that we

2037
01:45:29,412 --> 01:45:32,852
Speaker 5: had done nothing untoward, but they pounced on us pretty quick.

2038
01:45:32,973 --> 01:45:35,053
Speaker 2: That is insane. I mean, I can't imagine what was

2039
01:45:35,093 --> 01:45:37,293
Speaker 2: going through your hid, Brian when they screamed with the

2040
01:45:37,812 --> 01:45:40,253
Speaker 2: military vehicles and the guns blazing, and then watch in

2041
01:45:40,293 --> 01:45:41,852
Speaker 2: the back of that car. I mean, well, what goes

2042
01:45:41,893 --> 01:45:43,772
Speaker 2: through your head there? So how am I going to

2043
01:45:43,812 --> 01:45:45,652
Speaker 2: get out of this one? Who am I going to call?

2044
01:45:45,732 --> 01:45:48,652
Speaker 2: Can I call anyone? I mean, cheap is well? Terrified?

2045
01:45:48,853 --> 01:45:52,572
Speaker 5: Yeah, we literally when they surrounded us, we had no

2046
01:45:52,732 --> 01:45:54,933
Speaker 5: idea and you know, quite often there's a lot of shakedowns,

2047
01:45:55,013 --> 01:45:58,293
Speaker 5: especially back thirty five forty years ago. You know, they

2048
01:45:58,293 --> 01:46:03,093
Speaker 5: would plant drugs on the trucks. They would when you

2049
01:46:03,133 --> 01:46:05,333
Speaker 5: were traveling around. You had to watch out if there

2050
01:46:05,372 --> 01:46:07,532
Speaker 5: were crowds along the road because if somebody died in

2051
01:46:07,572 --> 01:46:12,372
Speaker 5: the family, there was always the possibility that as you

2052
01:46:12,452 --> 01:46:14,412
Speaker 5: travel past, they throw the body under the truck and

2053
01:46:14,452 --> 01:46:16,532
Speaker 5: then they pull you over and they tell the police

2054
01:46:16,572 --> 01:46:20,093
Speaker 5: you run someone over. Yeah, and you know, anything to

2055
01:46:20,732 --> 01:46:23,372
Speaker 5: look a very very poor. And it was back then,

2056
01:46:23,452 --> 01:46:27,532
Speaker 5: and we were traveling with years worth of money and cameras,

2057
01:46:27,732 --> 01:46:31,133
Speaker 5: and you know, we we were considered rich. So look

2058
01:46:31,853 --> 01:46:34,293
Speaker 5: when we got our passports and everything back, we did

2059
01:46:34,372 --> 01:46:36,452
Speaker 5: the right thing. We went back down there. Mainly we

2060
01:46:36,532 --> 01:46:38,652
Speaker 5: were a bit bit concerned that we wouldn't get out

2061
01:46:38,652 --> 01:46:40,372
Speaker 5: of the out of the country, and we went back

2062
01:46:40,412 --> 01:46:42,772
Speaker 5: and we settled up. But it didn't cost us a

2063
01:46:42,812 --> 01:46:46,492
Speaker 5: lot of money. But yeah, we we were fairly concerned

2064
01:46:46,532 --> 01:46:48,612
Speaker 5: for the twenty four hours we were we were held.

2065
01:46:48,452 --> 01:46:50,492
Speaker 2: Out our bed. I mean, you know, that's why you've

2066
01:46:50,492 --> 01:46:52,053
Speaker 2: got to be so careful in those countries. And not

2067
01:46:52,133 --> 01:46:53,973
Speaker 2: that you did much wrong, Brian, but you know, as

2068
01:46:54,053 --> 01:46:56,012
Speaker 2: you know, life is cheap and those sort of places,

2069
01:46:56,173 --> 01:46:58,492
Speaker 2: so a terrifying experience all around.

2070
01:46:59,572 --> 01:47:00,933
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.

2071
01:47:02,412 --> 01:47:06,053
Speaker 5: And look, just just quickly, my son just four years

2072
01:47:06,053 --> 01:47:11,133
Speaker 5: ago flew out to Dat No arm and his buddy

2073
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:14,852
Speaker 5: and him had bought their tickets and the buddy had

2074
01:47:15,333 --> 01:47:18,293
Speaker 5: arranged divisas and they got off the plane and were

2075
01:47:18,333 --> 01:47:22,012
Speaker 5: immediately taken into custody because his buddy had booked visas

2076
01:47:22,053 --> 01:47:25,093
Speaker 5: with the wrong year on it. And they arrived in

2077
01:47:25,173 --> 01:47:26,732
Speaker 5: the country and it is only too three years ago,

2078
01:47:26,772 --> 01:47:29,333
Speaker 5: and they were nineteen years old, and they were immediately

2079
01:47:29,412 --> 01:47:33,173
Speaker 5: taken away into custody. And you know, myself and my

2080
01:47:33,253 --> 01:47:35,452
Speaker 5: wife when we got the phone call, we were trying

2081
01:47:35,492 --> 01:47:38,772
Speaker 5: to get a hold of the console general in somewhere

2082
01:47:39,612 --> 01:47:42,772
Speaker 5: in Non pen to No Cambodia. It was sorry he

2083
01:47:42,853 --> 01:47:45,692
Speaker 5: had not Vietnam to try and get down there and

2084
01:47:45,732 --> 01:47:47,133
Speaker 5: get them free. And I mean that only happened a

2085
01:47:47,173 --> 01:47:48,932
Speaker 5: few years ago, and it was just a simple oversight,

2086
01:47:49,372 --> 01:47:51,532
Speaker 5: and he said, they were freaking.

2087
01:47:51,333 --> 01:47:53,693
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet, I bet. I mean it is terrifying,

2088
01:47:54,293 --> 01:47:58,253
Speaker 2: particularly you know at the border, where those guys don't

2089
01:47:58,293 --> 01:48:00,452
Speaker 2: muck around in the best of countries, let alone a

2090
01:48:00,532 --> 01:48:03,973
Speaker 2: place like Campodier in Vietnam. Brian, great story, Thank you

2091
01:48:04,133 --> 01:48:06,853
Speaker 2: very much for giving me a buzz. It is seventeen

2092
01:48:06,893 --> 01:48:08,973
Speaker 2: to four. Back very shortly. We have a chat to

2093
01:48:09,053 --> 01:48:11,972
Speaker 2: Bob who was arrested in be route. That is coming

2094
01:48:12,053 --> 01:48:12,412
Speaker 2: up next.

2095
01:48:13,093 --> 01:48:16,452
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2096
01:48:16,812 --> 01:48:17,732
Speaker 1: everything in between.

2097
01:48:18,013 --> 01:48:20,932
Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

2098
01:48:20,933 --> 01:48:22,933
Speaker 2: That'd be very good afternoon to you a couple of

2099
01:48:23,293 --> 01:48:26,932
Speaker 2: textcuz we've got Elliott Smith standing by Hi Tyler living

2100
01:48:26,973 --> 01:48:29,612
Speaker 2: in Moscow in the late nineties, myself and Key and

2101
01:48:29,772 --> 01:48:32,532
Speaker 2: a ke we Collie got stopped in the street by

2102
01:48:32,612 --> 01:48:34,933
Speaker 2: the police for a document check a common occurrence in

2103
01:48:34,973 --> 01:48:38,692
Speaker 2: those days. Anyway. The police didn't believe our documents were

2104
01:48:38,812 --> 01:48:41,812
Speaker 2: legit and marched us to a bus which was already

2105
01:48:41,893 --> 01:48:44,372
Speaker 2: loaded up with others who failed a document check off.

2106
01:48:44,412 --> 01:48:46,093
Speaker 2: We go to a local police station where we were

2107
01:48:46,133 --> 01:48:48,852
Speaker 2: shoved into a small cell with about fifteen other guys.

2108
01:48:48,933 --> 01:48:50,652
Speaker 2: We were held for three hours and it was like

2109
01:48:50,772 --> 01:48:53,293
Speaker 2: something out of a movie, with the prison guard running

2110
01:48:53,372 --> 01:48:55,692
Speaker 2: the keys along the paths of the cell as he

2111
01:48:55,772 --> 01:48:58,492
Speaker 2: looked at us, asking the prisoners where they were from

2112
01:48:58,933 --> 01:49:01,173
Speaker 2: or what they were doing. Eventually we got out no

2113
01:49:01,333 --> 01:49:04,253
Speaker 2: bribe offered or given, which was also a surprise. It's

2114
01:49:04,293 --> 01:49:06,612
Speaker 2: a great story and this one quickly. Two times that

2115
01:49:06,652 --> 01:49:08,892
Speaker 2: are still clear on my head. In the eighties, Samoy

2116
01:49:09,093 --> 01:49:11,893
Speaker 2: in Thailand, I'd become too comfortable with the area, was

2117
01:49:12,013 --> 01:49:15,372
Speaker 2: carrying in a sling bag all my nightly drugs. I

2118
01:49:15,692 --> 01:49:18,412
Speaker 2: was also too high. A Tai cop asked me to

2119
01:49:18,452 --> 01:49:20,732
Speaker 2: show what was inside the bag and a split second

2120
01:49:21,013 --> 01:49:24,372
Speaker 2: I ran into a nightclub toilet and dumped the drugs.

2121
01:49:24,452 --> 01:49:27,652
Speaker 2: Second close call, I carried dope through the time Allasian

2122
01:49:27,732 --> 01:49:30,333
Speaker 2: border looked at the Thai border officer, gave him a

2123
01:49:30,372 --> 01:49:32,972
Speaker 2: New Zealand fifty cent coin and carried on cheap as mate.

2124
01:49:33,053 --> 01:49:36,652
Speaker 2: You are rolling the dice on those things. Thank you

2125
01:49:36,893 --> 01:49:39,772
Speaker 2: very much. Great discussion right. The All Blacks twenty twenty

2126
01:49:39,812 --> 01:49:42,293
Speaker 2: five Grand Slam Tour is set to continue with the

2127
01:49:42,372 --> 01:49:45,933
Speaker 2: Kiwi side facing off against Scotland and Murrayfield Edinburgh on

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning. News talks here. B Elliott Smith is on

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Speaker 2: the ground and will be commentating. Elliott Smith, very good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: good evening.

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Speaker 24: Your time, greetings, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Good to catch up.

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Speaker 2: So what's the vibe like on the ground in Edinburgh

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Speaker 2: at the moment looking ahead to this test against Scotland.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 24: Oh, it's a wonderful city and it's a city that

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Speaker 24: loves rugby and Borough Prague club themselves and they are

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Speaker 24: proud supporters of the Scottish rugby team. Murrayfield's a venue

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Speaker 24: that holds a special place in the Edinburgh's hearts and

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Speaker 24: Scottish people's hearts. And then you tart with all the

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Speaker 24: history around the city and the fact that we're expecting

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Speaker 24: a deluge of fans expat New Zealanders and other rugby

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Speaker 24: fans coming in over the next twenty four forty eight

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Speaker 24: hours ahead of this game at all points to being

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Speaker 24: a pretty special occasion come Sunday morn in New Zealand time.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot riding on it for both teams, isn't there, Alliott?

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Speaker 2: I mean for the Scots they'll be gunning for their

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Speaker 2: first one against the All Blacks at murray Field after

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty years of trying. And for the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks, obviously they want to maintain that record absolutely.

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Speaker 24: Look, it's been a long wait for Scotland and they've

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Speaker 24: got pretty close over the last three meetings against the

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Speaker 24: All Blacks. The biggest margin has been eight points or

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Speaker 24: roughly yet average of eight points between them. Last time

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Speaker 24: they were here it was nine points twenty twenty eighteen

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Speaker 24: others but close to twenty fourteen point so there hasn't

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Speaker 24: been much in the matches between these sides. They probably

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Speaker 24: should have won in twenty eighteen when Boden Barrat had

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Speaker 24: to chase down Stuart Hogg to save the game. So

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Speaker 24: excuse Lee. So you know, for for Scotland, they've got

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Speaker 24: hopes that this will be the time they break through

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Speaker 24: and claim a famous win over the All Blacks. McField

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Speaker 24: Black says, you see, they've got that record to protect.

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Speaker 24: They believe that they are certainly capable of of doing

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Speaker 24: that and you know that only with a team that

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Speaker 24: is the one that loses that record.

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Speaker 2: Taylor, Yeah, absolutely, and it's a bit of a special occasion.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks will be wearing the white jersey and

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Speaker 2: the poppy of courses. Well, just tell us a little

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Speaker 2: bit about that that commemoration for this Test match.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, one hundredth anniversary of Murrayfield. So basically Scottish Rugby

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Speaker 24: asked New Zealand Rugby if Theill Blacks could come over

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Speaker 24: and play the Test match to commemorate it. New Zealand

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Speaker 24: Rugby said, yip will do that and Scotland ragby also

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Speaker 24: going to wear a deep blue jersey. So traditionally in

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Speaker 24: rugby it's the home team that actually gives up the

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Speaker 24: advantage you're wearing their home jersey that usually decide to

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Speaker 24: wear the ultimate strip. But in this occasion Scotland argon

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Speaker 24: and wear their home jersey and the All Blacks all

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Speaker 24: where the ultimate white strip and also commemorating armists take

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Speaker 24: coming up very very shortly as well, So all that

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Speaker 24: sort of plays into it. And as I said, one

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Speaker 24: hundredth anniversary of Murrayfield, there's really special venue for Scotland

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Speaker 24: for the Scottish team did love this to be the

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Speaker 24: occasion where they finally break through and beat the All Blacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a little bit of a chat about

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Speaker 2: the team going forward for this Test match. One of

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Speaker 2: the more intriguing selection calls crect me if I'm wrong, Elliott,

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Speaker 2: but the launching of the of Peter Larkeye and Wallace,

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Speaker 2: the Titi and the loose forwards interesting selection call pretty much.

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Speaker 24: So, look, I have you never played together for the

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Speaker 24: All Blacks as a commodation. It feels like this is

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Speaker 24: maybe the start of things to come for for the

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Speaker 24: All Blacks. You know there are duo, a lot of pace,

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Speaker 24: a lot of power between those two players, but they've

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Speaker 24: never had the opportunity to start together. For the All Backs,

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Speaker 24: then you throw on Ardie Savea is the other member

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Speaker 24: of that loose Ford trio. So it's quite the combination.

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Speaker 24: Satiti coming in to the run on side. For some

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Speaker 24: parker who's probably more defensively minded, you'd have to say

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Speaker 24: Stiti break with ball and hands, probably a little bit

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Speaker 24: to work on when it comes to his defense. But

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Speaker 24: as I said, quality players and it's gonna be interesting

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Speaker 24: to see whether they can meld together. I guess there

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Speaker 24: is the term into a loose Ford trio. They can

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Speaker 24: work at test level. You know, they've all got their strengths.

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Speaker 24: They said, power is the real strength and the pace

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Speaker 24: that they can offer. But they can't have three of

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Speaker 24: the same things. So I'm intrigued to see how that

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Speaker 24: goes on Sunday one time. It's going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Now, just a wee funny side note is the team

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Speaker 2: are obviously having a good time in Edinburgh, but Robinson

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Speaker 2: is getting a bit over the old bagpipes.

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Speaker 24: Mate.

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Speaker 2: There's some joker next to the hotel just going full

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Speaker 2: noise on the same song every day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: Well, they're staying in the Royal Mile and this is

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Speaker 24: where all the tourists converge, and there's a few bagpipes

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Speaker 24: there looking to make a buck and they've got the

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Speaker 24: old hat out trying to collect a bit of money,

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Speaker 24: busting that sort of thing. And there's one that's in

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Speaker 24: very very close proximity to the All Black Hotel. And yes,

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Speaker 24: he raised us at the media conference about twelve hours

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Speaker 24: ago thereabouts that one bloke had been sort of playing

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Speaker 24: the same tune he feels like for about three days straight.

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Speaker 24: So you know, look, it's all part of the atmosphere.

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Speaker 24: And as I say, it's staying in the Royal Mile.

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Speaker 24: They're very very close to Edinburgh Castle. They're right in

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Speaker 24: the thick of it and with that comes all the

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Speaker 24: trimmings and all the you know, the extra things around

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Speaker 24: Edinburgh and the hospitality and things like that. And you know,

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Speaker 24: maybe they can put a pipe in the other bagpipes

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Speaker 24: that were by winning on saturd afternoon time.

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Speaker 2: Love it mate. The bag pipes are certainly in a

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Speaker 2: quiet taste when it comes to instruments. Go well over there,

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Speaker 2: we'll chat again soon, Jeta. That is News Talks airb's

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Speaker 2: Elliott Smith with the call on Sunday morning that will

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Speaker 2: be broadcast live right here on News Talks AREB Gold

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Speaker 2: Sport and iHeartRadio. Kicks off at four ten am Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: How good looking forward to that. It is seven two four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon Shire. It is five two four and

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Speaker 2: that is asked for another another week obviously a big

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Speaker 2: weekend sport wise, the All Blacks, as we just said,

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Speaker 2: a chat to Elliott Smith who's on the ground at Edinburgh.

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Speaker 2: That kicks off at four ten on Sunday morning. Elliott

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Speaker 2: with the call right here on News Talks their B.

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Speaker 2: You've got Kiwi's versus Samara in the Pacific League Championship

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Speaker 2: Final that kicks off on Sunday night six oh five pm.

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Speaker 2: And the black Caps are on Sunday as well, that

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Speaker 2: starts at one fifteen pm. So all going on on Sunday. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks very much for this week all your calls and texts.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely loved it very much, looking forward to my mate

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Speaker 2: Matt Heath. He will be back with us on Monday,

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Speaker 2: but until then, have a fantastic weekend, hopefully the sun

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Speaker 2: stays with us. Enjoy it and to go out, we've

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Speaker 2: picked a butte song One Night in Bangcock by Murray

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Speaker 2: Head after all those fantastic stories about almost getting into

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Speaker 2: trouble in places like Bangkok. Fantastic city, but if you

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Speaker 2: step out of line, it can go horribly wrong, can't it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much again. We'll do it all again

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Speaker 2: from Monday afternoon with my mate Matt Heath back in

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Speaker 2: his rightful spot. Until then, have a great weekend.

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