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Speaker 2: The kind to me this evening we have Craig grinny

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Speaker 2: C to you, economist and the legot of Infrastructure New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Hell are you too, Craig? Do you use the AI?

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Speaker 3: I try not to.

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Speaker 4: Occasionally I do, but generally speaking, it's not something that

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Speaker 3: Why not.

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Speaker 4: I'm dealing with complicated data sets and there's a consequence

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Speaker 4: it's really hard to get the AI to work that way.

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Speaker 4: Empty Frank, I'm quite old fashioned. I still own a calculator.

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Speaker 4: I still prefer to do it that way rather than.

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Speaker 2: Just for like, you know, I've got, I've got I

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Speaker 2: don't know, potato and three carrots in a ten tuna?

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Speaker 2: What should I make for dinner? You don't even use

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Speaker 4: At that point I'd pick up deliver easy and and

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Speaker 4: and get that to solve the problem. But I think

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Speaker 4: it's a really interesting question in from your previous interview,

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Speaker 4: which is how you stop students from using AI To

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Speaker 4: answer the question about being asked about how you didn't

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Speaker 4: use AI. You know in your previous exam, it's everywhere,

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Speaker 4: and it's really hard to get people, even in an

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, what do you reckon? Nick? Look are you there?

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Speaker 1: I wondered, why?

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, sir, I am sorry?

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Speaker 3: People would like that?

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Speaker 3: Arry? I. I thought your interview was very interesting because

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Speaker 3: Are we going to look back and go, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: So you know what the problem?

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Speaker 2: But was it obvious to you what the problem is?

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Speaker 2: The problem for universities is that they try to pump

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Speaker 3: Well, I just think that probably they're quite rigid in

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Speaker 1: What was that?

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Speaker 2: Do you use AI?

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Speaker 3: Does the Pope wear a little red hat? Of course?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, okay, let me think. You know what, what

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Speaker 2: Even I'm so sorry for Ai. AI hates you. AI

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Speaker 2: kids photos and Craig, do you see that you're being

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Speaker 4: It's just I don't know. When we talked about the university,

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Speaker 2: It may be something close to an existential crisis for

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Speaker 1: Actually, the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 2: You're back of the huddle, Craig really and Nick Leaget right,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start with you, Craig, because I know

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Speaker 4: It's a yes from me. It's the other center. It

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Speaker 2: Craig with or without Safeguard's extra checks.

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Speaker 4: Though oh no, absolutely I couldn't. You know, we absolutely

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Speaker 4: need more safeguards. We absolutely need more opportunities to hold ministers.

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Speaker 4: So I would spend more time in the House. We

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Speaker 4: I think it would provide so much more stable government,

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, I think that probably is what you think

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, I don't need to speak.

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Speaker 3: Craig has said everything that that I believe on the subject. Look, either,

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Speaker 3: And giving a governing party or parties longer periods to

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Speaker 3: doing that. And you know, why is this country? You

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Speaker 3: know we talk about your program every day. You talk

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Speaker 3: like Craig, I think urgency is used far too often.

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Speaker 4: No leaf of them.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, Nick, I don't mind it, but

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Speaker 2: all we're talking about, well I do mind it without

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Speaker 2: the safeguards. All we're talking about is a four year term.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we totally totally do, really quickly. What do you think,

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Speaker 2: Craig about the TV and Z payoffering? You like this idea?

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Speaker 4: I haven't really seen it as the ped TV offer.

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Speaker 3: to look at ways to generate revenue to keep it going.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with Craig's sentiment actually in terms of

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Speaker 3: we do need free to wear big sporting matches available

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Speaker 3: for everybody, but actually we've also got to have you know,

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Speaker 3: them going, and that does mean revenue generation for these

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing is the all whites games are free,

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Speaker 2: so we'll have our games. I don't know if i'd

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Speaker 2: call them big, but we will have them. Guys. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Craig Rennie Nick Leggett. I'll huddle this.

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