WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: August 18, 2024 0:00:06.855 --> 0:00:10.055 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.215 Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay. 0:00:13.015 --> 0:00:18.175 And the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when 0:00:18.215 --> 0:00:19.015 the dog. 0:00:18.975 --> 0:00:20.655 Is too old to borrow. 0:00:21.935 --> 0:00:25.055 And when you're sitting at the table trying to have to. 0:00:25.095 --> 0:00:30.895 Start, I have scissor home, even when we leave a 0:00:31.095 --> 0:00:46.855 band gone, even when you're there alone, a home. House 0:00:47.095 --> 0:00:51.695 is a home, even when those ghost even. 0:00:51.495 --> 0:00:54.455 When you got around from the ones you love your most, 0:00:56.055 --> 0:01:01.815 you scream those broken plaints feeling from the wood locals 0:01:01.855 --> 0:01:03.735 whisper when they're going to leave, the. 0:01:03.575 --> 0:01:21.735 Neighbor the house, even when wilban, even when you're in there. Loone. 0:01:22.415 --> 0:01:24.855 Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to news 0:01:24.855 --> 0:01:27.455 Talk set Bes a resident builder on Sunday with me 0:01:27.535 --> 0:01:31.255 Peter wolf Camp, the resident builder, looking forward to your calls, 0:01:31.295 --> 0:01:35.055 your conversation this morning around all things building and construction. 0:01:35.455 --> 0:01:38.295 So I trust you've had a good week. I think 0:01:38.335 --> 0:01:41.015 that sense that well, I had that sense that maybe 0:01:41.055 --> 0:01:44.055 we had had a very mild winter, escape the worst 0:01:44.055 --> 0:01:46.775 of it, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, and a bit of a 0:01:46.815 --> 0:01:50.335 reality check. Pretty miserable all day yesterday and certainly not 0:01:50.455 --> 0:01:53.335 that much more pleasant this morning. So the markets are 0:01:53.335 --> 0:01:55.655 off by the way, that's where probably I would have 0:01:55.655 --> 0:01:59.135 been heading anyway, That's beside the point. Good morning, welcome along. 0:01:59.375 --> 0:02:02.255 It is an opportunity for you to talk about all 0:02:02.295 --> 0:02:06.095 things construction, whether it's a project that is underway and 0:02:06.375 --> 0:02:10.055 going well not going well. I mean, I've got a 0:02:10.055 --> 0:02:12.495 call from a mate who you know, we often just 0:02:12.575 --> 0:02:15.855 call talk about, you know, challenges and the job, those 0:02:15.895 --> 0:02:19.135 sorts of things. Friday afternoon, that's not a good time 0:02:19.175 --> 0:02:21.415 to get a call from anyone to go, hey, look, 0:02:21.535 --> 0:02:24.295 just wondering what the best way forward in this particular 0:02:24.335 --> 0:02:28.415 situation was. So if you need to chat about a 0:02:28.535 --> 0:02:31.335 project that you've got on, you can do so by 0:02:31.375 --> 0:02:34.455 calling eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can text through 0:02:34.615 --> 0:02:37.615 nine two nine two, and you can email Pete at 0:02:37.655 --> 0:02:42.895 NEWSTALKZB dot co dot m Z. Yesterday was again I said, 0:02:42.935 --> 0:02:44.935 it was a fairly miserable all day, and I set 0:02:44.975 --> 0:02:47.295 out in the afternoon to spend a little bit of 0:02:47.335 --> 0:02:49.935 productive time in the workshop and then realize that in 0:02:50.015 --> 0:02:53.135 order to do what I intended to do, I needed 0:02:53.175 --> 0:02:55.015 to keep going in and out of the workshop. I 0:02:55.055 --> 0:02:57.135 needed to get gear out of the back of the Masda, 0:02:58.095 --> 0:03:00.575 and I just kind of went to be fair, it's 0:03:00.695 --> 0:03:02.615 it's miserable and I don't know that I want to 0:03:02.615 --> 0:03:04.575 get wet. I'm in the shed. I'm not getting a 0:03:04.575 --> 0:03:06.775 wet in their, but can I be bothered one around? 0:03:06.855 --> 0:03:09.055 And then as I was tidying up, I found this 0:03:09.575 --> 0:03:13.535 offcut of color steel, just flat sheet that I'd got 0:03:13.575 --> 0:03:16.855 from me mate who does flashings, and I, ah, that's right. 0:03:17.255 --> 0:03:20.775 I was going to make what I call a witch's cap, 0:03:22.135 --> 0:03:25.495 so just a good old fashioned cowling or cap for 0:03:25.615 --> 0:03:27.735 event pipe. So I've got one hundred bill vent pipe 0:03:27.735 --> 0:03:31.615 through a little roof that I built to ventilate the 0:03:31.615 --> 0:03:34.295 hot air that builds up in a roof. And when 0:03:34.295 --> 0:03:36.295 I did it, I got the guys, the roof is 0:03:36.335 --> 0:03:39.495 to flash it, put the penetration through, and I just 0:03:39.535 --> 0:03:42.215 put a fixed cap on the top, with the attention 0:03:42.335 --> 0:03:45.815 of either finding which is not that easy, a cowling cap, 0:03:45.975 --> 0:03:48.655 or having the time to make one. And so then 0:03:48.695 --> 0:03:50.855 it was like, now, how do I you do these? 0:03:50.935 --> 0:03:54.255 How do you take a flat sheet of steel, a 0:03:54.255 --> 0:03:57.375 flat sheet of color steel and turn it into a 0:03:57.495 --> 0:04:01.855 conical shape, which prompted to be fair A little bit 0:04:01.855 --> 0:04:04.255 of investigation on YouTube where I found lots of videos 0:04:04.255 --> 0:04:06.135 about how to make a cone, but not a cap. 0:04:06.615 --> 0:04:09.415 And then eventually it popped up and it was like, oh, 0:04:09.415 --> 0:04:12.815 that's right, they're actually really really simple to do. So 0:04:13.575 --> 0:04:17.815 I got a couple of pieces of paper, compass out, 0:04:18.095 --> 0:04:23.535 strapped a mark a pen to it, made one out 0:04:23.535 --> 0:04:26.095 of just as a template, and thought, no, it's going 0:04:26.135 --> 0:04:28.615 to be slightly too big, made another one, worked out 0:04:28.655 --> 0:04:30.935 how much I needed to cut, like a segment to 0:04:30.975 --> 0:04:34.255 cut out, then to wrap it around, transferred that across 0:04:34.295 --> 0:04:38.215 onto the flat sheet, got the did a dash to 0:04:38.255 --> 0:04:41.255 the back of the truck, grabbed all of the cutters 0:04:41.295 --> 0:04:43.895 and bits and pieces that I needed, folded that up, 0:04:44.135 --> 0:04:46.935 made some little legs on it. Job done. Very productive 0:04:46.935 --> 0:04:49.455 afternoon in the end, actually, and I was about to 0:04:49.495 --> 0:04:52.815 abandon ship anyway, stick with it is the key there, 0:04:52.855 --> 0:04:55.615 there's always a job to do. And then I posted 0:04:55.655 --> 0:04:58.775 about it yesterday, just a bit of a funny thing online, 0:04:59.095 --> 0:05:01.935 and someone said, is that a to do it cap? 0:05:02.855 --> 0:05:06.735 Around to it? Around to it? And I thought, around cap, 0:05:06.855 --> 0:05:09.415 I've heard of a round to it cap. I should 0:05:09.455 --> 0:05:10.735 go and have a look. So I did a quick 0:05:10.735 --> 0:05:13.695 Google search of what's an around to it cap? And 0:05:13.735 --> 0:05:16.495 of course it's not there's no such thing, but it 0:05:16.575 --> 0:05:18.815 is though one of those jobs. I'll get round to it. 0:05:19.335 --> 0:05:21.575 And yes, I did get round to it yesterday and 0:05:21.615 --> 0:05:24.855 it felt pretty damn good. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 0:05:24.935 --> 0:05:26.695 Let's rip into it. If you've got a question of 0:05:26.695 --> 0:05:30.095 a building nature, and this is a fairly wide field, right. 0:05:30.735 --> 0:05:33.415 This can be about compliance and can be about projects, 0:05:33.495 --> 0:05:37.375 It can be about contractors, it can be about regulations, 0:05:37.455 --> 0:05:40.815 it can be about contracts. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:05:40.895 --> 0:05:42.735 and we'll have a crack at all of those issues. 0:05:42.815 --> 0:05:44.135 A very good morning to you, Robert. 0:05:45.495 --> 0:05:49.215 Oh, good a, Peter, Robert. I've got a project where 0:05:49.255 --> 0:05:54.015 I want to have a sunroom built attached to the house. Yes, 0:05:55.095 --> 0:06:00.295 and it's going to be about thirty square meters. Reading 0:06:00.335 --> 0:06:03.255 the regulations, you definitely need a building consent. 0:06:03.735 --> 0:06:06.135 Yeah, I would say so. And I know that that 0:06:06.455 --> 0:06:08.455 whole thing around shed you. One of the Building Act 0:06:08.535 --> 0:06:11.895 has expanded the scope of work that you can do. 0:06:12.255 --> 0:06:14.575 But I think because this is attached to the building, 0:06:14.655 --> 0:06:18.295 it's obviously going to be in a sense of habitable space, 0:06:18.415 --> 0:06:21.735 as in you'll be able to it'll be fully enclosed. 0:06:22.375 --> 0:06:25.015 Otherwise we'd call it a porch. Then I think, yes, 0:06:25.255 --> 0:06:28.175 it would require a building consent and also thirty square 0:06:28.215 --> 0:06:29.975 meters that's going to add you know, a lot of 0:06:29.975 --> 0:06:32.935 footprint to the property. It's a decent sized roof that's 0:06:32.975 --> 0:06:35.615 going to go on it. Yep, I would say building consent. 0:06:36.495 --> 0:06:40.815 Oh yeah, it's funny you mentioned about a porch because 0:06:40.975 --> 0:06:44.015 a friend of mine says you don't need to get 0:06:44.055 --> 0:06:46.375 a consent. He used to be in the building industry, 0:06:48.015 --> 0:06:49.815 always off and it's a porch. 0:06:50.215 --> 0:06:50.495 Yep. 0:06:52.135 --> 0:06:55.255 But you know I read about like you know, the 0:06:55.295 --> 0:06:58.295 council catches onto it, you can get fined, it can ash, 0:06:58.335 --> 0:07:01.935 you pull it back down. I'd rather just do it 0:07:01.975 --> 0:07:05.815 the right way and as long as it's straightforward getting 0:07:05.855 --> 0:07:09.255 the building, because it seems like you're allowed to do it. 0:07:10.455 --> 0:07:13.335 When I built the house, I built to the maximum 0:07:13.535 --> 0:07:16.655 thirty five percent of a five hundred and fifty square 0:07:16.735 --> 0:07:22.215 meter section. But it seems like the last few years 0:07:22.695 --> 0:07:26.335 you're allowed to add on a bit more. 0:07:26.375 --> 0:07:26.695 Now. 0:07:26.935 --> 0:07:28.855 Yeah, i'd agree with you and look to be fair. 0:07:28.895 --> 0:07:32.095 When we did our extensions, gosh, more than twenty years ago, 0:07:32.495 --> 0:07:34.175 it was the same thing. You know, I think our 0:07:34.535 --> 0:07:38.615 permissible site coverage was thirty five percent or thirty seven 0:07:38.615 --> 0:07:42.415 percent with a bit of discretion. Typically nowadays it's not 0:07:42.655 --> 0:07:44.855 terribly difficult to get to fifty percent. 0:07:45.055 --> 0:07:47.175 Right in the middle of the section that's not close 0:07:47.255 --> 0:07:51.975 to the line or anything. So fine, I wouldn't need 0:07:52.015 --> 0:07:55.855 to get neighbors permissioned. I live in a private right 0:07:55.895 --> 0:07:56.295 of way. 0:07:57.975 --> 0:08:02.015 Yeah, it's it's fee simple. It's not a cross lease property. 0:08:02.775 --> 0:08:05.335 No, it's not a cross the way across lease. 0:08:05.535 --> 0:08:07.895 Then you're I don't think you'll need neighbors permission. It 0:08:07.895 --> 0:08:10.215 sounds like it's not going to be terribly close to 0:08:10.255 --> 0:08:14.175 the boundary. But I think you've probably strayed into an 0:08:14.215 --> 0:08:17.015 area that I feel that we haven't discussed enough at 0:08:17.015 --> 0:08:20.175 the moment that when you said it should be relatively 0:08:20.215 --> 0:08:23.615 straightforward to get a building consent, And I would imagine 0:08:23.615 --> 0:08:25.975 that anyone who's applied for a building consent in the 0:08:26.055 --> 0:08:30.095 last couple of years probably is listening to the shaking 0:08:30.095 --> 0:08:32.615 their head, going oh, mate, you don't know the drama 0:08:32.655 --> 0:08:36.415 that you're in for. And unfortunately, I think the overwhelming 0:08:36.495 --> 0:08:40.575 sense we have around the process of gaining a building 0:08:40.615 --> 0:08:47.015 consent is just it's really challenging, seemingly now, if you 0:08:47.175 --> 0:08:51.255 and your project should be relatively straightforward, right, it's a 0:08:51.415 --> 0:08:54.535 relatively simple structure, there's an existing building, there, there's no 0:08:54.695 --> 0:08:58.935 issues around services, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It 0:08:58.975 --> 0:09:03.135 should be if it's well drawn, it goes and it 0:09:03.175 --> 0:09:06.655 gets stamped and you can get underway with it. But 0:09:06.775 --> 0:09:10.255 I just almost everyone I talk to at the moment 0:09:10.735 --> 0:09:13.495 talks about the process of getting a building consent is 0:09:13.575 --> 0:09:16.535 really really challenging for a number of different reasons. Part 0:09:16.535 --> 0:09:19.135 of that might be, you know that some I would 0:09:19.175 --> 0:09:22.215 imagine that there's a large number of building consent applications 0:09:22.255 --> 0:09:24.975 and plans that go into council that are poorly done, 0:09:24.975 --> 0:09:28.015 and so counsel has to keep asking questions. But in 0:09:28.055 --> 0:09:30.975 some cases, I think counsel just seems to be able 0:09:31.015 --> 0:09:35.935 to make what is relatively straightforward incredibly difficult at the moment. Okay, 0:09:36.695 --> 0:09:39.015 but I don't mean to put you off. I'm just saying, 0:09:39.215 --> 0:09:41.895 if suddenly you put it in and then it becomes 0:09:41.935 --> 0:09:45.095 a bit of a drama, don't be surprised. 0:09:46.375 --> 0:09:53.055 Okay, Yeah, So what's the resource consent? I don't need that. 0:09:53.815 --> 0:09:56.615 I think it's unlikely that you would need a resource consent. 0:09:56.735 --> 0:10:00.935 So typically a resource consent is triggered when essentially resource 0:10:00.975 --> 0:10:04.215 consents part of the Resource Management Act, and it's going, well, 0:10:04.215 --> 0:10:08.295 if you're going to use a resource and air, water, 0:10:08.535 --> 0:10:12.015 et cetera, then where you've got to explain how what 0:10:12.095 --> 0:10:14.935 you do is going to impact on the environment. Now, 0:10:14.935 --> 0:10:18.975 in your situation, you're going to add thirty square meters 0:10:18.975 --> 0:10:24.375 of impermeable cover to the property. Is that does that 0:10:24.415 --> 0:10:27.535 trigger a requirement for a resource consent? Probably not, because 0:10:27.535 --> 0:10:31.735 you're still well under let's say a fifty percent maximum 0:10:31.775 --> 0:10:34.055 site coverage that you might be able to have. Are 0:10:34.095 --> 0:10:37.135 you in a historic zone and you're doing something to 0:10:37.175 --> 0:10:40.055 a house that's protected by the nineteen forty or pre 0:10:40.215 --> 0:10:46.055 nineteen forty heritage overlay? Probably not, you know those sorts 0:10:46.095 --> 0:10:49.095 of things. So I would have thought that very unlikely 0:10:49.335 --> 0:10:52.095 that you would have had you would need a resource consent. 0:10:53.015 --> 0:10:57.455 Oh okay, I've just got two more questions. My wife, 0:10:57.815 --> 0:11:00.735 she actually wants to build it bigger. I said, our 0:11:00.775 --> 0:11:05.055 thirty square meters that season the regulations? Is there any 0:11:05.175 --> 0:11:08.055 chart site that counts will prove of you put forward 0:11:08.095 --> 0:11:13.335 plans for sun room over thirty square meters? 0:11:13.655 --> 0:11:15.735 I think if you went to over thirty square meters. 0:11:15.735 --> 0:11:18.215 They just consider it in addition to the property right. 0:11:19.135 --> 0:11:22.095 And again, if you've got the site coverage and you're 0:11:22.135 --> 0:11:24.935 not infringing height in relation to boundary, so it's not 0:11:24.975 --> 0:11:27.215 your intention to build let's say within a meter of 0:11:27.215 --> 0:11:30.175 your neighbor's boundary, it's not going to be too tall. 0:11:30.615 --> 0:11:33.055 Then again that should be relatively straightforward. 0:11:34.095 --> 0:11:38.735 Okay. Then the other thing is materials. I researched a 0:11:38.775 --> 0:11:43.335 little bit. There's aliminion versus PVC, and straight away I 0:11:43.375 --> 0:11:47.535 thought I prefer alaminion, but I heard that PVC is 0:11:47.615 --> 0:11:53.415 a lot stronger, but a bit more costly. And building 0:11:53.455 --> 0:11:57.015 in Wellington like here, I'm on a high wind zone, 0:11:58.135 --> 0:12:00.855 I'm on a ridge. Do you know much about the 0:12:00.935 --> 0:12:02.895 difference between. 0:12:03.335 --> 0:12:08.535 Seem to see? I mean you PVC has made its 0:12:08.895 --> 0:12:11.415 way into the market. It's been around for a while, 0:12:11.495 --> 0:12:14.255 but it's a little bit more mainstream whether or not 0:12:14.295 --> 0:12:17.615 they would do fabrication for something like because when you 0:12:17.655 --> 0:12:21.455 say a sunput or a sunroom, are you thinking that 0:12:21.535 --> 0:12:28.615 the whole thing will come essentially prefabricated, like it's an 0:12:28.615 --> 0:12:31.855 off site manufacturer. So you do a slab and then 0:12:32.255 --> 0:12:35.615 the whole thing would come kit setted, let's say, and 0:12:35.735 --> 0:12:39.055 be installed on site. So you're not talking about you know, 0:12:39.175 --> 0:12:42.655 conventional construction where you do a slab, you'd frame up 0:12:42.695 --> 0:12:45.055 some walls, add some windows and a roof to it. 0:12:45.095 --> 0:12:48.935 You want all of that to be in a sunroom style. 0:12:50.335 --> 0:12:53.815 Yeah, what I understand? What of research for some companies 0:12:53.855 --> 0:12:59.455 as pre YEP they and install it. I hear that 0:12:59.495 --> 0:13:03.375 the PVC I thought it was just completely all PVC, 0:13:03.495 --> 0:13:07.535 But does it have a metal component inside the PVC 0:13:07.695 --> 0:13:08.975 to make it stronger? 0:13:09.135 --> 0:13:12.535 That No, So the actual joinery suite that you're talking about, 0:13:12.975 --> 0:13:19.975 if it's uPVC, the extrusions are all are the structural elements, right, 0:13:20.015 --> 0:13:23.935 so you don't need anything else that goes with it. 0:13:24.415 --> 0:13:28.855 I haven't experienced it where they've used uPVC in a sunroom, 0:13:29.015 --> 0:13:31.935 like most of the sunrooms that I've seen have typically 0:13:32.015 --> 0:13:36.375 either been timber or aluminium. But you know, one of 0:13:36.455 --> 0:13:39.495 the things I guess you've got where you will probably 0:13:39.535 --> 0:13:44.015 be quite heavily impacted with new building consent rules and 0:13:44.135 --> 0:13:48.775 new Building Code regulations in terms of energy efficiency, is 0:13:48.935 --> 0:13:52.175 you're going to be adding a great deal of glazing, right, 0:13:52.775 --> 0:13:55.095 so the performance of the glazing has got to be 0:13:55.455 --> 0:14:00.895 very very good in order for you not to in 0:14:00.895 --> 0:14:04.175 a sense be penalized for putting so much more glass 0:14:04.215 --> 0:14:09.175 into your building. Right, so you're going to find that 0:14:09.215 --> 0:14:12.175 the performance standard required of the glazing is going to 0:14:12.215 --> 0:14:15.295 be quite high in order for you to achieve H 0:14:15.415 --> 0:14:21.135 one compliance. Okay, yeah, maybe they'll take an attitude that 0:14:21.215 --> 0:14:24.415 goes because are you going to still have doors between 0:14:24.455 --> 0:14:28.495 the sunroom and your existing house? 0:14:28.815 --> 0:14:29.055 Yeah? 0:14:29.375 --> 0:14:33.535 Currently the house is, it's got sliding doors, it goes 0:14:33.575 --> 0:14:34.895 out on patio. 0:14:34.855 --> 0:14:39.255 Yes, yeah, and you want to encompass that patio and 0:14:39.735 --> 0:14:42.815 create the sunroom there, but your your intention is not 0:14:42.935 --> 0:14:44.535 to remove those sliding. 0:14:44.135 --> 0:14:46.455 Doors, not to remove them. 0:14:46.575 --> 0:14:50.655 Okay, that changes things because essentially what you're adding to 0:14:50.695 --> 0:14:55.215 the outside isn't going to impact the thermal efficiency of 0:14:55.255 --> 0:14:57.775 your house because you're keeping your doors there, right, So 0:14:58.335 --> 0:15:01.975 then you're not going to have to build to as 0:15:02.055 --> 0:15:04.895 high a standard in terms of thermal efficiency for the 0:15:04.935 --> 0:15:08.135 sunroom as you will if you were intending to take 0:15:08.175 --> 0:15:11.815 those doors out and include that space into your house 0:15:11.895 --> 0:15:15.575 without means of locking it away or. 0:15:17.815 --> 0:15:17.895 So. 0:15:18.175 --> 0:15:23.055 That makes it a lot more simple. Worth investigating the 0:15:23.175 --> 0:15:27.175 uPVC because there may well be some advantages. I'm not 0:15:27.215 --> 0:15:29.895 aware of anyone who does them a new PVC. Typically 0:15:30.295 --> 0:15:38.055 they've been always an aluminium worth investigating. Absolutely, yes, good 0:15:38.135 --> 0:15:41.815 luck with the process. Okay, all the very best, All right, 0:15:41.855 --> 0:15:44.775 take care, Robert, My pleasure love with them. In fact, 0:15:44.855 --> 0:15:47.575 talking about glazing, we've got Nick Hardy Jones from Metro 0:15:47.615 --> 0:15:50.415 Performance Glass joining us at around seven forty five this 0:15:50.495 --> 0:15:53.895 morning to talk about exactly what we were just discussing 0:15:53.935 --> 0:15:57.375 there with Robert, the changes to H one of the 0:15:57.375 --> 0:16:01.975 Building Code. This talks about energy efficiency and thermal performance 0:16:02.095 --> 0:16:05.615 of our building envelope and obviously because we like to 0:16:05.615 --> 0:16:07.975 have windows up with a lot of glass and that 0:16:08.055 --> 0:16:10.335 glass now has to comply. So with a bit of 0:16:10.415 --> 0:16:13.175 a deep dive into H one compliance and glazing with 0:16:13.295 --> 0:16:16.695 Nick Hardy Jones from Metro Performance Glass at around seven 0:16:16.735 --> 0:16:18.855 forty five this morning, we'll take a short break. Francis 0:16:18.935 --> 0:16:20.975 is waiting for us. We'll come to her in just 0:16:21.015 --> 0:16:22.655 a moment. If you would like to join us, OH, 0:16:22.735 --> 0:16:25.335 eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:16:25.695 --> 0:16:27.215 We'll have a spear line for you in just a moment. 0:16:27.215 --> 0:16:29.175 If you'd like to join us, OH, eight hundred eighty 0:16:29.295 --> 0:16:31.575 ten eighty is the number. To call, just off the 0:16:31.575 --> 0:16:36.375 back of Robert's comment about going wanting to add a 0:16:36.375 --> 0:16:38.775 thirty square meter sun room, do I need a consent? 0:16:38.895 --> 0:16:41.535 I think you probably do for the scale of it, 0:16:42.495 --> 0:16:45.895 and then okay, well, hopefully that'll be relatively easy and 0:16:46.375 --> 0:16:48.935 you could probably hear sort of a sharp intake of 0:16:48.935 --> 0:16:51.455 breath from my point of view or from me going, 0:16:51.975 --> 0:16:54.535 it's probably not going to be And I tell you what, 0:16:54.655 --> 0:16:58.055 just a quick opinion on my part. All of this 0:16:58.175 --> 0:17:01.175 focus at the moment around not so much the h 0:17:01.255 --> 0:17:03.415 one changes. I love the way in which building is 0:17:03.455 --> 0:17:04.575 so political at the moment. 0:17:04.655 --> 0:17:04.815 Right. 0:17:04.855 --> 0:17:11.255 There's so much discussion and discourse around building, and around 0:17:11.295 --> 0:17:15.495 regulations and around affordability, and around who controls the process, 0:17:15.535 --> 0:17:17.935 et cetera, et cetera, and much of it is focused 0:17:17.975 --> 0:17:24.215 on trying to gain efficiencies by allowing the whole debate 0:17:24.215 --> 0:17:27.975 around the sixty square meter granny flat thing right, Submissions 0:17:28.055 --> 0:17:29.615 ended for that would be interesting to see what some 0:17:29.695 --> 0:17:32.095 of the feedback comes back at in the next couple 0:17:32.175 --> 0:17:34.535 of weeks and to see what decision the government makes 0:17:35.015 --> 0:17:37.895 so extending Schedule one of the Act, allowing for more 0:17:37.935 --> 0:17:40.415 work to be able to be done without necessarily requiring 0:17:40.455 --> 0:17:43.535 a building consent, all of which is the intention seems 0:17:43.575 --> 0:17:46.615 to be to make things more affordable, to speed up 0:17:46.655 --> 0:17:50.255 the process. But I wonder whether the focus is a 0:17:50.255 --> 0:17:55.055 little bit misguided, that in fact, the focus should be 0:17:55.175 --> 0:18:01.895 on changing the consenting process and can ultimately changing the 0:18:02.095 --> 0:18:05.975 joint and several liability from councils. So counsels, I think 0:18:06.455 --> 0:18:10.935 have a real reluctance to they have such a low 0:18:11.095 --> 0:18:16.815 risk attitude that they're adding hurdles into the process of 0:18:16.855 --> 0:18:21.975 getting your building consent because they end up being the 0:18:22.015 --> 0:18:25.855 only one remaining when the building goes wrong. So maybe 0:18:25.855 --> 0:18:29.695 it's actually our consenting process and the liability side of 0:18:29.735 --> 0:18:33.455 it that needs attention, not playing around the edges going 0:18:33.535 --> 0:18:35.735 oh well, maybe you can do more work without a consent. 0:18:37.015 --> 0:18:38.855 More on that later. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten 0:18:38.935 --> 0:18:41.335 eighty is the number to call. Francis a very good morning. 0:18:41.375 --> 0:18:47.615 Welcome, welcod morning morning. Yes, I'm meaning about a problem 0:18:47.655 --> 0:18:52.455 in my drive way two meters from the garage door. 0:18:53.335 --> 0:18:57.295 I had a hole appear in the gravel driveway about 0:18:57.295 --> 0:19:00.935 the size of a dinner plate. So I rang an 0:19:00.975 --> 0:19:04.495 engineer in Auckland I know, and we measured it and 0:19:04.535 --> 0:19:09.335 it goes directly about ninety centimeters in one direction and 0:19:09.455 --> 0:19:14.375 about forty in another. And he said, put a stick 0:19:14.415 --> 0:19:18.775 in it and check there was water in that in 0:19:18.855 --> 0:19:23.015 the hole further in quite a long way in. So 0:19:23.135 --> 0:19:26.655 he suggested I ring a plumber. I had a plumber 0:19:26.695 --> 0:19:32.015 come round quite quickly actually, And they've suggested they suspect 0:19:32.615 --> 0:19:38.815 it's a collapse soak pit in the driveway. Yes, now 0:19:40.215 --> 0:19:43.335 I don't, and that it would be I'd have to 0:19:43.495 --> 0:19:46.175 they have to do. They poured water down one of 0:19:46.295 --> 0:19:49.935 the down pipes in the garret and said, yes, the 0:19:50.015 --> 0:19:54.855 water is going there, but what do you suggest The 0:19:54.935 --> 0:19:58.735 engineers suggested that it could be a collapsed very old pipe, 0:19:59.175 --> 0:20:05.495 you know, from a long time ago. They have said 0:20:05.495 --> 0:20:10.935 that it to do it correctly. If it is a 0:20:11.015 --> 0:20:15.815 collapse soak pit, that it's going to cost a considerable 0:20:15.855 --> 0:20:18.695 amount of money. And I'm wondering if you've got any 0:20:18.775 --> 0:20:19.975 advice about this. 0:20:20.455 --> 0:20:25.335 Yeah, sure, yeah. So it's a gravel driveway, so it's 0:20:25.375 --> 0:20:29.375 not concreted, and it's a couple of meters from the house, 0:20:29.615 --> 0:20:32.215 and when you pour water down the down pipe you 0:20:32.255 --> 0:20:34.655 can hear it or see it gurgling at the bottom. 0:20:34.695 --> 0:20:35.255 Of this whole lit. 0:20:35.415 --> 0:20:38.175 I didn't hear the plumber's heard it. 0:20:38.215 --> 0:20:43.695 Yeah, okay, on and off? Yeah sure, sure, I think Francis, 0:20:44.535 --> 0:20:47.615 I probably wouldn't describe it as a collapse soakage pit 0:20:47.735 --> 0:20:50.455 because the way that soakage pits work is there a 0:20:50.455 --> 0:20:53.655 hole in the ground filled with rubble or with scoria, 0:20:53.895 --> 0:20:57.655 and they don't typically collapse. Now, possibly it's a chamber 0:20:58.175 --> 0:21:02.055 that's collapsed. That might have happened, but I think it's 0:21:02.135 --> 0:21:05.975 more likely that it's an old drainage pipe that's collapsed 0:21:06.055 --> 0:21:10.015 or jointed, and so water is flowing into there and 0:21:10.055 --> 0:21:14.295 then scouring out all of the fill around it, and 0:21:14.335 --> 0:21:19.535 that's what's caused effectively a sinkhole in your driveway. I 0:21:19.575 --> 0:21:22.695 would have thought that the people to come and open 0:21:22.815 --> 0:21:25.255 all of that up is actually a drain layer. So 0:21:25.295 --> 0:21:27.775 you'd be looking for an experienced drain layer who would 0:21:27.775 --> 0:21:32.055 come and excavate the area, find both ends of the pipe, 0:21:33.055 --> 0:21:37.735 remove the part that's collapsed, reconnect them, and then check 0:21:37.815 --> 0:21:41.695 that water is flowing to Do you actually have stormwater 0:21:41.735 --> 0:21:44.015 connection as in stormwater to a council line? 0:21:45.135 --> 0:21:53.215 No, No, this is Masterton City, Yeah no, it's. 0:21:55.775 --> 0:21:56.455 Everywhere. 0:21:57.695 --> 0:22:01.135 Okay, then I wonder whether it is like an old 0:22:01.215 --> 0:22:04.295 chamber that has collapsed, in which case, yes, it could 0:22:04.335 --> 0:22:08.535 be quite expensive to remove the existing one. Add in 0:22:08.535 --> 0:22:12.455 a new chamber. Maybe go through the process of getting 0:22:12.455 --> 0:22:15.175 it tested in terms of how much water can go 0:22:15.215 --> 0:22:18.975 into that chamber, how much it can contain. Hopefully you 0:22:19.015 --> 0:22:22.375 won't have to do things like investigate the ground conditions 0:22:22.415 --> 0:22:25.775 to check the suitability for sokage. It does get a 0:22:25.815 --> 0:22:29.335 little bit complicated after that. I think a drain layer, 0:22:29.975 --> 0:22:33.895 like a local experienced drain layer, would be the person 0:22:33.975 --> 0:22:36.495 to get They'll be the one doing the work. Now, 0:22:36.535 --> 0:22:40.215 some plumbers are drain layers as well, but not necessarily. 0:22:40.295 --> 0:22:44.935 So you want a drain layer, not necessarily a plumber, right. 0:22:44.735 --> 0:22:51.455 Well, the the manager of the plumbing firm who does 0:22:51.575 --> 0:22:55.615 do drain lay in they are coming on Monday morning, 0:22:55.935 --> 0:22:58.695 and I think the city councils coming on Monday morning 0:22:58.735 --> 0:23:03.415 as well, the man from the city council because there's 0:23:03.455 --> 0:23:07.215 no drainage plan for this particular house. It's an old house. 0:23:07.495 --> 0:23:09.495 Yeah, it's a ninety house. 0:23:10.335 --> 0:23:16.255 Well, without wanting to be overly cautious, who invited the 0:23:16.335 --> 0:23:17.735 council representative? 0:23:18.375 --> 0:23:22.575 I did? I ran, I ran because it was three 0:23:22.815 --> 0:23:24.095 thirty on a Friday. 0:23:24.535 --> 0:23:29.055 I understand, and I didn't want this. 0:23:30.455 --> 0:23:34.175 It's quite close to the house, yes and a half, 0:23:34.255 --> 0:23:37.815 and I didn't want the side of the house clap. 0:23:38.015 --> 0:23:38.255 Yeah. 0:23:38.655 --> 0:23:42.815 Sure, I understand that. I'm going to put this as 0:23:42.815 --> 0:23:46.415 delicately as I can. Is there any way to uninvite 0:23:46.695 --> 0:23:47.855 the council inspector. 0:23:52.615 --> 0:23:57.495 I don't know. Probably they just said I'd send someone 0:23:57.575 --> 0:23:59.255 around on Monday. 0:24:00.975 --> 0:24:05.175 Certainly, just make sure that your drainage guy is there 0:24:05.295 --> 0:24:08.815 at the same time as the council inspector, and ideally 0:24:08.855 --> 0:24:11.855 a little bit beforehand. The reason I say this is 0:24:12.015 --> 0:24:15.255