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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle of This is Evening, Tim Wilson, Maxim Institute,

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q and A

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Speaker 2: Hell are you too.

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Speaker 3: The right Tim?

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Speaker 2: What did you make of that first call from the

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Speaker 2: new Reserve Bank governor?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's good to see that the rbn Z

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Speaker 3: isn't overacting to that inflation figure. I was expected to

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Speaker 3: come down to about two percent in the next twelve months,

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Speaker 3: which is more good news. It's good for the government.

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Speaker 3: Voters like low cash rates. And here's the Winni factor

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Speaker 3: as well. I think this might thaw out the relationship

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Speaker 3: between doctor Ola Bremen and Winston Peterson.

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Speaker 4: What did you think, Jack, Yeah, I thought say it

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Speaker 4: with a pretty straight back. No major surprises always good

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Speaker 4: when there are no major surprises from a central bank.

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Speaker 4: I think there are some pretty like some pretty noisy

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Speaker 4: data points at the moment, whether it's the inflation figure,

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Speaker 4: whether it's the recent unemployment data. You look at some

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Speaker 4: of the business confidence sentiment that sort of seems slightly

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Speaker 4: out of wat with some of the economic indicators at

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Speaker 4: the moment, so I think, you know, keeping things pretty steady.

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Speaker 4: Lot of sense. It's going to be very intriguing to

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Speaker 4: see how that the forecast of the projection forward change

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Speaker 4: over the next few months, knowing now that the RBNV

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Speaker 4: is probably looking more likely than not to start raising

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Speaker 4: rates at about election time, which could be very interesting

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Speaker 4: and it will be a bit of a battle of

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Speaker 4: the narratives. But yeah, today are pretty solid first out

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Speaker 4: thing for the new government.

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Speaker 2: Listen, REMISSI me not to get your take on what

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Speaker 2: David Seymour just said. Tim, did it sound to you

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Speaker 2: like there is just a bit of a possibility there

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Speaker 2: that the entire coalition government may drop this idea of

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Speaker 2: the gas levee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like he was having a bit both ways,

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Speaker 3: So so I'm not I'm not quite sure that the

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Speaker 3: Coalition is going to do a U turn just yet.

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Speaker 3: My understanding though, is that this this this L and

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Speaker 3: G plant won't necessarily lower domestic power prices. It's sort

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Speaker 3: of insurance for those those years. I guess if there's

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Speaker 3: more power available that might bring prices down, but it's

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Speaker 3: pretty slow slow walk.

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Speaker 1: I think the.

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Speaker 4: Argument is that they will will lower the prices relative

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Speaker 4: to relying on a gas supplying New Zealand that is

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Speaker 4: dwindling and potentially incis you know, so relative to the

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Speaker 4: big surges that you saw in winter eighteen months ago.

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Speaker 4: I think I think that's the argument at the moment. Look, Look,

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Speaker 4: I think he was positioning himself to say, if there

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Speaker 4: was a huge public backlash against the proposed levy, then

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Speaker 4: the government might be forced to look at an alternative

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Speaker 4: funding mechanism. I don't think from what we've seen so far,

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Speaker 4: there is a sufficient public backlash, and I don't think

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Speaker 4: the act Party would be willing to destabilize the government

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Speaker 4: going into an election over.

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Speaker 2: That on Jack, because we haven't seen any polling at all, have.

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Speaker 4: We, Well, I just I mean, just just vibes, estely,

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Speaker 4: no empirical data. But but that could change, and especially

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Speaker 4: getting you know, over the next next couple of months,

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Speaker 4: with an election in the you know, the not too

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Speaker 4: distant future, you can imagine people being a whole lot

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Speaker 4: white seats.

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Speaker 3: Actually, here's the deal. Here's the deal. There's a there's

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Speaker 3: actually a mechanism available right now. Text nine two nine two.

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Speaker 3: Let's fire up the ZB text machine and see what

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Speaker 3: they say.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's do better than Jack's vibes and see what

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Speaker 2: we actually think. Do we hate the gas tax? I'll

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Speaker 2: take that. Okay, we'll take a break as well to

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Speaker 2: this huddle. And I don't know if I'm want to

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Speaker 2: thank Tim for this question.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only

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Speaker 2: Right, we're back with the huddle, Tim Wilson, Jack tame here,

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Speaker 2: you guys go hate the gas tax, hate it. We

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Speaker 2: need gas sell sell sell, which I'm assuming means sell

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Speaker 2: the assets. Hate the tax, hate the tax. The gas

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Speaker 2: tax is fair and reasonable. I don't know what this

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Speaker 2: majority hating it isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Jack, I'm surprised that anyone is supportive of the gas tax.

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Speaker 4: No one likes the gas tax, and it's just the

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Speaker 4: question is whether or not it's sufficient enough to meaning

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Speaker 4: Felicia to dial in terms of political support in order

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Speaker 4: for a government to change his position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, Jack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's big enough. But I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people hate it. But I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's big enough. Now, Tim, how do you

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Speaker 2: feel about us needing to get a little bit lea

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Speaker 2: squeamish and just start killing dangerous dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look hergery the Tory and I agree dangerous dogs

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Speaker 3: should definitely meet the consequences of their behavior, But I

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Speaker 3: want to go for the owners as well, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's also a problem. Like the Dog Control Acts

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Speaker 3: of ninety ninety six, section fifty eight. Obviously, I've looked

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Speaker 3: this up. The owner of any dog that causes any

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Speaker 3: person at tax, any person causes a serious injury to

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Speaker 3: any person. It actually doesn't address deaths caused by dogs,

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Speaker 3: and so that needs to be looked at as well.

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Speaker 3: So we've we've got a twofold approach here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which do you think is going to be more effective?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: Jack? Is it killing the dog or punishing the owner?

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Speaker 4: Do? I actually wonder The funny thing about deterrence is

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Speaker 4: that I feel like, if you are so irresponsible that

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Speaker 4: you are leaving really dangerous dogs roam everywhere, actually you're

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Speaker 4: the kind of person who's not going to be paying

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Speaker 4: much attention to a change in the law which will

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Speaker 4: unharm penalties against you, you know, which is why I think

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Speaker 4: actually a much stricter position on dogs. You know, it

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Speaker 4: makes makes total sense I mean, for the most part,

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Speaker 4: I think the vast majority of dog owners are totally

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Speaker 4: responsible people. But there are some people and you just

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Speaker 4: see them every now and me, and it's like, how

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Speaker 4: on earth can you be comfortable with that a dog

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Speaker 3: But here's here's the deal. Like that, sure that you

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Speaker 3: know you you destroy that dog, and then then the

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Speaker 3: schmuck goes and gets another dog and behaves them exactly

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Speaker 3: the same way, and we're back where we started for it.

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Speaker 2: Which does ten bring us to your point?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You kill the dog and then you put a ban

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Speaker 2: on that person ever owning a dog again, or whatever

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Speaker 2: the decision is, so that if you find that they

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Speaker 2: have got another dog, you don't need to worry about

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Speaker 2: whether that dog doesn't attack you just take the dog

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Speaker 2: off them immediately because they're not supposed to have one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that is reasonable, and that that does go some

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Speaker 2: way to making the argument you've got to go for

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Speaker 2: the owner and the dog same time. Now, Jack, is

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Speaker 2: it a controversial call to say the Foo Fighters are

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Speaker 2: the greatest rock band of their generation.

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Speaker 4: No, I think it's a pretty good call. You know what,

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Speaker 4: they are. They are a Goldilocks band, Like they're hard,

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Speaker 4: but they're not too hard. They're not like system of

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Speaker 4: a down hard, you know what I mean. So they're

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Speaker 4: like I feel like they've got a real kind of

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Speaker 4: cross generational appeal. So if you were to have a

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Speaker 4: preferential vote across rock fans worldwide, I think this very

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Speaker 4: very good likelihood that the Food Fighters ad come in

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Speaker 4: number one or very near to it.

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Speaker 3: Quite tim absolute load of complete rubbish. And let's talk

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Speaker 3: about credentials to weigh in on this. For a start,

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Speaker 3: I was listening to the Foo Fighters with my four

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Speaker 3: year old oh Na Nanna poo poo. That says nothing

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Speaker 3: about you none quoting our three year old here, That

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Speaker 3: says nothing about your ability to discern true rock and roll.

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Speaker 3: My hair was halfway down my back in the eighties

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Speaker 3: and I was playing Motorhead on my squash racket. So

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Speaker 3: the deal Foo Fighters rubbish, Kurt Copaine, Cobain is everything.

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Speaker 3: Grohl doesn't have the poetic flourish that someone like Kurt

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Speaker 3: Hag has. You want dog sausage, you go to Groll,

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Speaker 3: you want salami, it's but.

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Speaker 2: If you want poet poetic flourish, listen to poetry and

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Speaker 2: we're not we're not tuning into it to hear somebody

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Speaker 2: be all like.

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Speaker 4: And the food fighters of different generations, they are.

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Speaker 2: Of different generations. But no, But what I did was

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Speaker 2: I then doubled down and also said Dave Grohl is

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Speaker 2: much much better than Kirk Cobain, who's completely over hyped.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't want to stream Kurt Cobain benefits

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Speaker 4: from the infamy that comes from an untimely death. But

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Speaker 4: Kurt Cobain probably does, to a certain extent, benefit from

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Speaker 4: the infamy that comes from an untimely death. Which is

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Speaker 4: not to say I don't think he was an incredibly

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Speaker 4: gifted artist, but you know, there's something kind of eternal,

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Speaker 4: isn't there. Is he in the twenty seven?

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Speaker 2: Yes he is. He is in the twenty seven? Here

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Speaker 2: go yeah, and then here's another one for you, Tim,

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Speaker 2: somebody else in the twenty seven club. Just to add

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Speaker 2: to Jack's point, Jim Morrison completely overrated. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was a hot babe, but as songs ex kind

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Speaker 2: of sucked.

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Speaker 3: No they don't. No, no, no, boy, Okay, you just

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Speaker 3: opened up a candle walk past. Let's see what nine

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Speaker 3: two nine two has to say about you denigrating Jim

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Speaker 3: Morrison and the doors go for your life.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim, appreciate it. Lads, thanks very much. Have

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Speaker 2: a lovely evening, Jack Tame Tim Wilson. Actually, while I

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Speaker 2: was listening to the Food Fighters with the four year old,

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Speaker 2: I explained this is the Food Fighters, Iggy, and then

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Speaker 2: he said to me, mommy, why were they fighting the foo?

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of us know.

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