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Speaker 1: Gavin Gray UK corresponding with us. Now, hey, Kevin, hi there, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: This business of throwing mad at the king in Spain

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Speaker 1: and shouting at him and stuff like that, and people

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Speaker 1: in desparately not being helped, It's like it's like medieval,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, but there is huge anger around that

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Speaker 2: Spain area, the region of Valencia, and that anger just

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Speaker 2: boiled over. And yeah, certainly the security detail around the

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Speaker 2: king and queen were very, very stretched. But with the

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Speaker 2: death stoll standing at two hundred and seventeen, we are

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Speaker 2: now waiting an update, and that is because they are

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Speaker 2: going to now begin to search the underground car park

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Speaker 2: of the bonn Air shopping center just outside of the

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Speaker 2: main city of Valencia. There is a ramp leading down

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Speaker 2: and it was absolutely full of water and is now

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Speaker 2: being pumped out. And of course the big fear is

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Speaker 2: that with some seventeen hundred car parking spaces there, they

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Speaker 2: are going to find well potentially dozens of bodies, but

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Speaker 2: they don't know yet, They don't know how many got out.

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Speaker 2: They do know it was chaotic, but the authorities and

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Speaker 2: the emergency responders are steal for what could be a

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Speaker 2: really horrendous experience down there, police talking about finding maybe eighty,

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Speaker 2: but they're obviously hoping it could be many fewer.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good, am I listen, Becking, you're part of

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Speaker 1: the world. You guys have got a new value for

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Speaker 1: money chief. Is this the right guy? Though?

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Speaker 2: Aha? That's a very very good question, and indeed how

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Speaker 2: the people have been asking that over the weekend. So

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Speaker 2: the governments set up what it thought was a great

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Speaker 2: idea and it sounds good, a money for value for

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Speaker 2: money chief. Indeed, they've even got a new department, a

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Speaker 2: new office for value for money, and that new chief

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Speaker 2: is called David Goldstone. So of course people immediately thought, well,

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Speaker 2: who's he to, you know, manage to get big value

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Speaker 2: for money. Well, he worked as a top executive on

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Speaker 2: the London Olympics, Parliament's restoration, and the high speed Too

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Speaker 2: rail link. What do all those three have in common? Yes,

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Speaker 2: they all went well over budgets. So Street is now

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Speaker 2: having to defend the appointment, saying he's a highly experienced

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Speaker 2: public sector leader with a track record of working on complex,

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Speaker 2: high value programs, and then pushed about whether he was

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Speaker 2: value for money, they said, yes, yes, of course he

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Speaker 2: is but you know what, you know, I'm afraid those

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Speaker 2: three projects. Some people say, of course they were over money,

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Speaker 2: over budget, they all do these big projects, but it's

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Speaker 2: the amount of money some of these projects have gone under,

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Speaker 2: with the HS two line just every few you know months,

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Speaker 2: going an increase in its budget, and the Nandon Olympics

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Speaker 2: costing three times as much as expected.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what's the problem with the badgers. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, badger's here a bit like sort of wombats from Australia,

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Speaker 2: of course, and they are a protected species here in

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Speaker 2: the UK, so you can't just if you find them

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Speaker 2: go and remove them. Now. The problem is they are

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Speaker 2: extremely destructive animals in that they build these sets which

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Speaker 2: are very deep and very big and have extra dreamely

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Speaker 2: large holes and tunnels within them, and they've been digging

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Speaker 2: in the East of England under a road which has

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Speaker 2: effectively meant it's had to be relayed. Now. The council

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Speaker 2: wanted to do this urgently with urgent repairs because it

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Speaker 2: would be cheaper to do it with urgent repairs. But

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Speaker 2: guess what, they had to get the permission of Natural

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Speaker 2: England for a license before the work could be carried

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Speaker 2: out because the badgers are a protected species. The delay

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Speaker 2: has pushed up the bill and they're saying the Celical

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Speaker 2: Council has said it's costing roughly two hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: thousand New Zealand dollars more than it would have done

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Speaker 2: if they could have got that way with the work.

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Speaker 1: Quicker Knowingkevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.

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