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Speaker 1: More details for you on our Significant Natural Area Review,

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Speaker 1: three measures to be looked at, how SNAs are identified,

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Speaker 1: how are they're assessed, and the way the land has managed.

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Speaker 1: Final decisions expected mid next year. The Associate Environment Minister

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Speaker 1: Andrew Hoggard's with us on all of this morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Does this take the fear that we've seen in the

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Speaker 1: countryside out of what you're potentially going to do.

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Speaker 2: Well? We'll certainly know once we get to the end

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Speaker 2: of the review, but my intention would be it definitely works,

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Speaker 2: but also provides some clarity to councils that in their

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Speaker 2: development of plans that this is all going ahead. We've

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Speaker 2: had some sort of messages coming back from councils the

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Speaker 2: staff we're telling them that we're not sure if the

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Speaker 2: government's going ahead. Yes, people bloody well are, and so

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Speaker 2: this has make it clear. We've got the suspension that

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Speaker 2: is through with Minister Bishops are one bill that we'll

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Speaker 2: be coming back to the House shortly and so hopefully

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Speaker 2: that will all be enacted by the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: and then we're doing this review which will give us

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Speaker 2: a much better sense for the middle of the next year.

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Speaker 2: And my hope is that the SNA is only truly

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Speaker 2: applied to where it's truly significant, but too much of

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Speaker 2: it's a best of exercise and just grabbing whole swaves

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Speaker 2: of farmland.

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Speaker 1: Right, So when I get texts like this, Mike, the

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Speaker 1: Murray claim of cultural map overlays proceeding with speed here

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Speaker 1: on the way taking North Otiga region driven exclusively by

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Speaker 1: the local council, numerous petitions being stalled and ignored by

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Speaker 1: council stuff. They can rest assured that you are sending

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Speaker 1: the councils the message, you're on board, you're moving into tyhoe.

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Speaker 2: These are two different things. Unfortunately, the on ls and

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Speaker 2: sasen's which you just talked about, they don't come under

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Speaker 2: the MPSIB. So I'm working on the MPs Indigenous bidiversity.

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Speaker 2: That's all part of the RMA part six. Now, we

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Speaker 2: could spend a couple of years tinker with that and

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Speaker 2: fix it. We're just going to get rid of it

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Speaker 2: instead and put something new. And so we will be

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Speaker 2: dealing with that through replacement of the RM with a

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Speaker 2: new system that's based on property rights. But it's not

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Speaker 2: going to happen straight away.

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Speaker 1: Which leads me to then ask how tied up is

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Speaker 1: all of this with the Ramah.

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Speaker 2: There is lots of it is a bit of a

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Speaker 2: bird's nest of all sorts of pieces of legislation here,

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Speaker 2: there and everywhere. So there's still CNA provisions under the RMA.

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Speaker 2: What I'm doing is fixing the National Policy Statement, and

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Speaker 2: with the replacement of the ram which Minister Bishop and

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Speaker 2: Under Secretary Court are doing, hopefully we'll have this that

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Speaker 2: through in this term and that will tie up those aspects.

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Speaker 1: When I say cultural map overlay and you say RAMA

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Speaker 1: and SNA, and we're a sort of building into a

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Speaker 1: really big headache at this particular point in time. Does

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Speaker 1: all of this need to be this complicated?

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Speaker 2: No? No, And that's how I hope we're going to

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Speaker 2: get to with replacement of the RMA is just something

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Speaker 2: much much simpler. Respecting private property rights, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: just let's man the things we need to manage. We've

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Speaker 2: just made a harder complicated darien Ay started off as

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Speaker 2: a very simple piece of legislation, a couple of hundred

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Speaker 2: pages long, and it's just ballooned out to one thousand.

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Speaker 2: What labor we're going to replace it with was also

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Speaker 2: one thousand pages. We've got to keep it simple stupid.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then we come to the question are you

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Speaker 1: expecting pushback? And this is the sort of the Mari

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Speaker 1: Wards thing. Are you expecting it's all very well to say,

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Speaker 1: here's what I'm doing. Are you expecting pushback from councils?

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Speaker 1: Are they compliant? And will they follow instructions and do

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Speaker 1: as they're told? And will what they do once it

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Speaker 1: all in be uniform across the country or their own interpretation.

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Speaker 2: You know, the feedback I've gotten from councils is can

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Speaker 2: you make it happen? Some councils anyway, make it happen. Now,

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Speaker 2: I would think that what we're going to have in

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Speaker 2: place will be very much tidy this all up, and

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Speaker 2: you know, basically allowed this instrument only to be used

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Speaker 2: where it's really needed, and it's actually Significant's Department of

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Speaker 2: Conservation manage one third of New Zealand. If we can't

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Speaker 2: do some significant biodiversity within that one third, why are

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Speaker 2: we looking to grab qween hectores and hectores or farmers

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Speaker 2: here there and everywhere? To me, that makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'd rather much. You know, my focus

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Speaker 2: is really about creating some market based solutions for actually

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Speaker 2: promoting farmers to engage in bidiversity work. You know, our

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Speaker 2: farmers are pretty well leading in terms of what they're

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Speaker 2: protecting on their farms. Already, Wrestling was in Australia and

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Speaker 2: I looked at what they were doing there. You know,

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Speaker 2: they may be ahead in the framework stuff, but what's

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Speaker 2: setting me on the ground amongst the farmers. We're miles

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Speaker 2: ahead and you know we've got to respect that and

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Speaker 2: actually three our farmers with some respect.

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Speaker 1: Well, said Andrew Hogar, the Associate Environment Minister with US

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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