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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two to ten. You were Jack Taime on news stories,

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Speaker 2: he'd be Jack. How about that amazing Crusader's crowd last night?

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Speaker 2: As an aucklander, I watched that rain soaked atmosphere in Envy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it did look like an incredible atmosphere that Crusader's Blues

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Speaker 2: match last night. Thank you for your feedback. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to more of your messages very shortly. Right now, though,

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Speaker 2: time to catch up with our film reviewer Francesca Rudkin

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Speaker 2: for her film picks this Easter weekend. Hey Francesca, Hi Jack.

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Speaker 2: Let's start off with a little listen to the latest

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Speaker 2: film starring Steve Coogan. This is The Penguin Lessons. Where

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Speaker 2: is it from? Is yours?

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Speaker 3: I rescued him from an oil selector.

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Speaker 1: I know he thinks he's my friend.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you girl, not my penguin.

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Speaker 1: I don't like penguins.

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Speaker 3: And why did he save his life?

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Speaker 2: Because I was trying to impress a woman. I have

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Speaker 2: to go now now I ended up in a penguin. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's Steve Coogan having adopted a penguin he has.

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Speaker 3: The film is called The Penguin Lessons. It's an adaptation

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Speaker 3: of Tom Mitchell's memoir and Stephen Steve Coogan. He's kind

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Speaker 3: of in philameno mode. Here we are in nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 3: He plays Tom. We're in Buenos Aires and Peron has

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Speaker 3: just been ousted by a military coup. He is an

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Speaker 3: English teacher at a private boys' school. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of privileged young men whose parents are all kind of

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Speaker 3: caught up in what is going on at the moment politically.

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Speaker 3: Tom is not a hugely inspirational teacher, jack or man.

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Speaker 3: He's in South America on the run from a family tragedy.

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Speaker 3: He is not a huge interested in the job. He

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Speaker 3: just earns a living. He does enough so that he

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Speaker 3: can go on. You can go away for weekends, take

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Speaker 3: a little holiday. He can have a few drinks, meet

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Speaker 3: a lady or two, avoid the world. He is just

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Speaker 3: on the run from life. He's just trying to live

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Speaker 3: his own life and looking for escapism. And on one

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Speaker 3: of these holiday weekends he's in Uruguay. He to impress

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Speaker 3: a woman. As you heard him trailer, he saves his

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Speaker 3: penguin from an oil slick and they clean it up,

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Speaker 3: and then he tries to return it to the beach.

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Speaker 3: And then how this penguin ends up back at his

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Speaker 3: school and what his areas is kind of unbelievable. But

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Speaker 3: if you can accept that when a problem becomes too

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Speaker 3: difficult for people to deal with, sometimes they just find

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Speaker 3: it easier to let a man smuggle a penguin across

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Speaker 3: the border, you'll understand how this has happened. Right. The

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Speaker 3: penguin kind of becomes everybody's best friend. The boys that

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Speaker 3: Tom teach suddenly become more motivated to learn English. His

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Speaker 3: colleagues find the penguin a good listener. He's just this

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Speaker 3: distraction that they all kind of need at this point.

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Speaker 3: But the film also acknowledges that what is going on

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Speaker 3: at this particular point and in time politically, and so

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Speaker 3: you've got this quite sweet story and then it sort

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Speaker 3: of turns a little bit more political, and one of

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Speaker 3: the school workers has taken and Tom sort of finds

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Speaker 3: the courage to put his head about the pulpit and

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Speaker 3: stand up for something. Look, I think Steve Colegan, he

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Speaker 3: totally nails the comedic side of this. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: a little quirky and a little unusual, and I think

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Speaker 3: he does that really well. I wasn't hugely convinced that

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Speaker 3: he'd sort of went on this kind of emotional journey

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Speaker 3: to become this better man and to overcome maybe the

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Speaker 3: issues in his own life. Not quite sure whether the

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Speaker 3: performance kind of got me that far. And I think

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Speaker 3: it is very difficult when you set a film at

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Speaker 3: a time when there is something so large and important

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Speaker 3: happening politically. You know, you have tens of thousands of

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Speaker 3: people being disappeared, and you're trying to kind of balance this.

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Speaker 2: It's of the old story with a with an incredible year, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure they're balanced that well. But look, uh,

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Speaker 3: this is a nice kind of Sunday afternoon, like a

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Speaker 3: if you're interested in penguins.

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Speaker 2: Very good well Steve Kokan and never thought they'd be

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Speaker 2: on screen together. So that is the Penguin Lessons that's

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Speaker 2: showing in cinemas now. Next up another film showing at

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Speaker 2: the flicks and probably when you want to see on

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Speaker 2: the big screen. This is Warfare.

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Speaker 3: We use Burke to pick an improvement, speaking with serious

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Speaker 3: intent to prove Alpha two. You might have guys starting

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Speaker 3: to move on our position. We're getting build up of

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Speaker 3: activity here too. Ye see weapons at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we have a definite messager.

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Speaker 2: Dun't dunt dawn. That's warfare. Sounds like a bit of

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Speaker 2: blood and guts and popcorn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm really glad that we started with the pleasant

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Speaker 3: light comedy because Warfare, I Apologize is not easy watching

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Speaker 3: for an Easter weekend. It's directed by a former seal,

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Speaker 3: Ray Mendoza, along with Alex Garland, who you will know

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Speaker 3: as the director of Civil War and ex Machine Or

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Speaker 3: and Things. And at the beginning of this film, instead

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Speaker 3: of saying this is based on a true event, they

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Speaker 3: say that this film uses only their memories and that's

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Speaker 3: really important to note. So this is basically it's based

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Speaker 3: primarily on Mendoza's memories of this one day in Iraq

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Speaker 3: when a seal to turn creep into an Iraqi town

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Speaker 3: to do surveillance ahead of ground troops surviving the next day,

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Speaker 3: they pick a home. They take over this home. They

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Speaker 3: put the family who lives there that's sort of in

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Speaker 3: during that surveillance they realize that there was some suspicious

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Speaker 3: movement going on, and they prepare themselves for action. This

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Speaker 3: is a film about the nature of war. It's quite

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Speaker 3: a political it's an anti war film. There is nothing glamorized,

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Speaker 3: nothing dramatized. There is no creative license here, Jack. They're

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Speaker 3: not trying to entertain us. They try to say, this

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Speaker 3: is an ordinary day in the life of a soldier,

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Speaker 3: and they are trying to take you into that world.

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Speaker 3: And they're trying to show that it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 3: an innocent bystander. There is absolutely no way that you

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Speaker 3: could walk out of an environment like this without being

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Speaker 3: seriously damaged. And I'm not saying this physically, I'm saying mentally.

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely grueling. The dialogue is all military jargon.

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Speaker 3: There is no lovely soundtrack here. The sound is actually

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Speaker 3: what is happening on the day. So as they're waiting,

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Speaker 3: it's silent, they're waiting that you're very patiently. You can

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Speaker 3: feel that kind of tension building, and then once the

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Speaker 3: action does caken, it's just gunfire. It's just horrific screams

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Speaker 3: of injured soldiers. It's an incredibly visceral film, very intense.

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Speaker 3: You will be relieved when it is over, but I

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Speaker 3: was incredibly grateful for the experience. It's quite exraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Oh superb Okay, yeah, that sounds really interesting, but one

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Speaker 2: you probably just want to watch at the right time,

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Speaker 2: in the right frame of line. Right. You want to

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Speaker 2: be strateg you don't just want to turn up at

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Speaker 2: the movies looking for some relaxation and decompression and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden find yourself twenty minutes into Warfare

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Speaker 2: this week, not that film. Yeah, yeah, okay, sounds yeah,

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Speaker 2: sounds really interesting. Okay, cool. So that is Warfare that's

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Speaker 2: showing in cinemas now. The Penguin Lissons is the one

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Speaker 2: with Steve Coogan and is on at the flicks as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Francesca. The details for those films,

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Speaker 2: of course, we'll be up on the news talks. He'd

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Speaker 2: be website and don't forget Right after the ten o'clock

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Speaker 2: news this morning, our feature interview hot off his nomination

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Speaker 2: for an Oscar am Bafta for his performance in Belfast.

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Speaker 2: Irish actor Kieran Hines is going to be with us,

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