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Speaker 3: Hello, big day, ladies and gentlemen. This is Matt and

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Speaker 3: Tyler Full Show, Podcast number three, one hundred, three hundred.

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Speaker 4: I'm my goodness, time flies.

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Speaker 3: Have we been doing this for over a year now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I have three hundre Wow, that is a milestone.

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Speaker 3: One of what was the best of those three hundred?

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Speaker 3: The first It's all been downhill since show one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the first one was one for the ages.

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Speaker 3: This one was really really good discussion in this one

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Speaker 3: about the situation in Iran and you know, the international

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Speaker 3: rules based order that was a great un is running

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Speaker 3: and how that bats up in front of you know,

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Speaker 3: how that bangs up in front of atrocities committed between

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Speaker 3: countries and powerful countries and whether they hear or listen

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Speaker 3: or not. And I forget her name.

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Speaker 4: She was fantastic, Samaria Tagarve, she was incredible. Listen to

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Speaker 4: her story.

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Speaker 3: She's actually been lashed in Iran when you live there,

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Speaker 3: and she lives in New Zealand now and she's just

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Speaker 3: talking about that regime and the future and a confrontation

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Speaker 3: she had with Helen Clark on Helen Clark's views on

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Speaker 3: the whole situation.

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Speaker 4: So great chat. Yep, you got to listen for that

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Speaker 3: You seem busy, let's give you from us, all right then,

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Speaker 2: Love big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 2: everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon

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Speaker 4: A very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday. Great

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Speaker 4: to have you with us as always. Hope you're doing

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Speaker 4: pretty well wherever you're listening. Hey, you doing mets very well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Tyler. You're looking very swish with the ZB photo shoot today.

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Speaker 3: So we did all the talking heads on ZB are

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Speaker 3: being photoed today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we were first.

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Speaker 3: We're first off the rank yep, most more important yep,

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Speaker 3: So we were in early.

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Speaker 4: They had to nail it with us. The other guys

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Speaker 4: sure that we absolutely nailed it, and I think we did,

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Speaker 4: to be honest, I did, Yep, I nailed it absolutely.

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Speaker 3: There's a weird thing when you're taking a photo and

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Speaker 3: there's not that many duos at news Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 4: No, there's a lot of solo operators.

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Speaker 3: So there's a weird thing when you're taking photos for

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Speaker 3: So this photo shirt was really an hour of you

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Speaker 4: It was intimate. It was very intimate, and sometimes I

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Speaker 4: fault you just give me a weird nudge back and say,

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Speaker 4: I know you're going to be close, but not there close,

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Speaker 3: Well, the problem is where I put my left hand,

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Speaker 3: you put your arm around the right Yes, because where

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Speaker 4: That's right, and you just got to dangle it backwards.

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Speaker 3: Either that or it was hovering close to your groin,

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Speaker 4: Great catering, great baps, great baps. Yeah, fantastic ranks. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Right on to today's show. Up to three, I was

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Speaker 4: forward to your thoughts on that. Then after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about this decision? One hundred and

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Speaker 4: It's been brought up consistently since the start of this

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Speaker 4: Now here's a little bit of that. I know that

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Speaker 6: Because the attacks are a clear breach of international law.

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Speaker 6: International law does not permit any power with the ability

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Speaker 4: But when Ston Peters, he was on with My Mike

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Speaker 7: They have been financing proxies all around the world, even

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Speaker 7: On my point is you're not looking at the same

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Speaker 3: So, I mean the question really is what is it real?

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Speaker 3: Because you know, the UN Charter prohibits the use of

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Speaker 3: Just say categorically it's against international law. Is I think

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Speaker 4: We have in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: They have spent their whole life on international law that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think you know, to Helen Clark's points

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Speaker 4: It is fascical when people are being murdered in a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and withither it is a breach of international law

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Speaker 4: It's a massive hypocrisy, isn't it. Well, it's it just

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Speaker 3: That's what's happened, and that has been largely in line

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Speaker 4: Things are changing absolutely. Yeah, So what do you say, Oh,

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Speaker 4: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the international rules

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Speaker 4: based system real? Love to hear your thoughts. Nineteen ninety

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Speaker 4: two is that text number as well? Plenty texts are

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Speaker 4: But oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 4: Be eighteen past one. So is the so called international

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Speaker 4: support it more than ever.

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Speaker 3: So I guess we might as well outline roughly what

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Speaker 3: the rules based order is. Countries follow she had rules.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying. But there

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Speaker 3: But then again, Russia thinks they've got a reason to

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Speaker 4: Right yep, so well done. That's that is when it works?

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Speaker 2: The headlines and the hard questions it's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 10: This has luxem buried himself in his psycho babble the

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Speaker 7: The reality is I'd rather have the serious international legal

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Speaker 7: We've had forty seven years of growing terrorism out of Iran,

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Speaker 4: Twenty nine past one is the International Rule based Order

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Speaker 10: All of the nasty stuff that this theocracy runs is

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Speaker 10: now flourishing in the UK, and it's also flourishing in

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Speaker 10: other countries like France and Germany. You'll note with some well,

439
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Speaker 10: what I see the difference is if you're wondering, oh yes, Stu.

440
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Speaker 10: But you know the other tries aren't doing as badly.

441
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Speaker 10: Countries like Poland, are Hungary that rejected the enforced immigration

442
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Speaker 10: policy of the EU now thrive beautifully. You can walk

443
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Speaker 10: down the streets, you can get all kinds of videos

444
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Speaker 10: out of Warsaw and so on that show you what

445
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Speaker 10: a wonderful city street life it is. You in contrast,

446
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Speaker 10: see what's happening in the UK and in France, the

447
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Speaker 10: absolute chaos and destruction that the claiming of these immigrants

448
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Speaker 10: into certain townships places that you and I wouldn't want

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Speaker 10: to go. So yeah, I think it is to answer

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Speaker 10: your question, yes, one hundred percent. The cowardice of these

451
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Speaker 10: other countries that could be assisting Kiir Starmer is a

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Speaker 10: prime example, not even letting the US use the military

453
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Speaker 10: basis to more efficiently effect the sort of justice that

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Speaker 10: needs to be wrought.

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Speaker 3: Stuart, thank you very much for your thoughts before I

456
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Speaker 3: was talking about you know, there's always things about a justification,

457
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Speaker 3: you know, when you know people are saying it's against

458
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Speaker 3: international law when you look at the UN Charter. Well,

459
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Speaker 3: Rubio was Marco Rubio stated yesterday, as the text says,

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Speaker 3: they went in to and attacked Iran after learning Israel

461
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Speaker 3: were going in and you the US would receive retaliation,

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Speaker 3: so to decided to strike preemptively. Yeah, preemptively. So that

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Speaker 3: goes into you know, are you suffering an armed attack?

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Speaker 3: And then they go are you about to suffer an

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Speaker 3: imminent armed attack? And that's why this you know, whether

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Speaker 3: it's legal or illegal or not, will be argued forever,

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Speaker 3: which is further to my point that it doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: because the big countries will do what they want.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you say though, Oh, e one hundred

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty, is the rules based international order a

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Speaker 4: reality we can rely on or something that requires firmer

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Speaker 4: backing in times like these? After the headlines, we will

473
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Speaker 4: be talking with Iranian New Zealander barrister Samera Tuck Harvey.

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Speaker 4: She has criticized Telling Clark for calling the government's response

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Speaker 4: a disgrace, So she is coming up next. But we

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Speaker 4: are taking your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4: It is twenty six to two.

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Speaker 1: Youth Talks a B headlines with.

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Speaker 12: Your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi ab Download your

480
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Speaker 12: ride today. Iran has reportedly appointed a new Supreme Leader

481
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Speaker 12: mosh Taba Harmony. He's the son of Aetola Ali Harmony

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Speaker 12: who was killed by the US israel attacks. The effects

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Speaker 12: of the Iran war on New Zealand exports aren't yet clear,

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Speaker 12: but thousands of containers are in limbo with shipping block

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Speaker 12: through the crucial strait of Hormuz. Us and Israeli strikes

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Speaker 12: on Iran have killed more than seven hundred and eighty people,

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Speaker 12: and Israeli troops are descending on Lebanon. The UK and

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Speaker 12: France are bolstering air defenses in Cyprus and the Mediterranean.

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Speaker 12: Back to Matt Eith and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Raylean Samara Tagav. She is an

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Speaker 4: Iranian New Zealander ambarrister. She's written an in depth opinion

500
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Speaker 4: piece in The Herald Today criticizing Helen Clark for calling

501
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Speaker 4: the government's response to the Iran conflict disgraceful, and Samara

502
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Speaker 4: joins us on the show right now. Samara, very good

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Speaker 4: afternoon to.

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Speaker 13: You, Good afternoon to you guys as well. Thank you

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Speaker 13: for having me.

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Speaker 3: We've just heard some breaking news. What does this announcement

507
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Speaker 3: of a new leader as we've just heard mean for

508
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Speaker 3: the situation in Iran, Well, from.

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Speaker 13: Our point of view, not much really. We think he

510
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Speaker 13: will probably be eliminated in the next few hours, so

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Speaker 13: he might have a very short time frame in terms

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Speaker 13: of being a leader.

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Speaker 3: You've lived under the Iranian regime. Tell us what it's

514
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Speaker 3: like and how that played out for you personally.

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Speaker 13: Look, yes, I have. I have lived in around most

516
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Speaker 13: of my adult life. I was very active politically when

517
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Speaker 13: I went to university there and I witnessed probably over

518
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Speaker 13: forty to forty five hanging stoning, and I was very

519
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Speaker 13: involved with protesting against the death penalty and the stoning

520
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Speaker 13: and a few other very very terrible, terrible types of penalties.

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Speaker 13: I was arrested, I was put in prison. I've been

522
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Speaker 13: sentenced to lashing, and I remember that they ordered ninety lashes.

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Speaker 13: I ended up getting only forty because the guy who

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Speaker 13: was doing it was doing one, was counting one as three,

525
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Speaker 13: so he was actually quite nice. So this is basically

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Speaker 13: my background, and as a very young lawyer at the

527
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Speaker 13: age of twenty one or twenty two, when you're standing

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Speaker 13: in prison at four in the morning, because they hang

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Speaker 13: people that execute people very early in the morning, and

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Speaker 13: as a lawyer, as a criminal lawyer, you have to

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Speaker 13: be there to witness it, so it's part of your

532
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Speaker 13: obligations as a lawyer. So these are the things that

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Speaker 13: I have seen with my two eyes, as well as

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Speaker 13: having friends that I have lost because they've been tortured,

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Speaker 13: they've been in prison, and most political prisoners they end

536
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Speaker 13: up taking their lives when they actually are released because

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Speaker 13: anything you can think of would happen to them in prison.

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Speaker 13: So yeap, that's a bit of a background for you.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us about the anger you feel after being lashed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this may sound like a trite thing to

541
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Speaker 3: say that New Zealanders get angry when they get given

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Speaker 3: a parking ticket. I can only imagine how that affects

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Speaker 3: your very soul, being lashed by your government by something

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Speaker 3: that for something that is clearly not wrong.

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Speaker 13: It's very difficult guys to kind of describe describe the feeling.

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Speaker 13: Interestingly enough, at the time, it was a feeling of shame.

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Speaker 13: Although the reason that I got that sentence was because

548
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Speaker 13: of the protest. It was for nothing else, because you

549
00:29:16,893 --> 00:29:20,253
Speaker 13: also get lashing for different types of crime, including drinking alcohol,

550
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Speaker 13: by the way, so that was not it. It was

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Speaker 13: a feeling of shame because I felt that this is

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Speaker 13: something that my father had to now deal with, and

553
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Speaker 13: it was something that I did recover from physically and

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Speaker 13: mentally to an extent. But I think my father never

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Speaker 13: recovered from that because you can imagine as a father,

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Speaker 13: he wasn't in Iran at the time. He was actually

557
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Speaker 13: overseas in Boston from memory, and he had to come

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Speaker 13: back to the aftermath. So it was at the time

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Speaker 13: a feeling of shame. But it does turn into anger

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Speaker 13: after a few after a few years usually, But I

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Speaker 13: did recover from that, and that's probably I always say,

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Speaker 13: what doesn't kill you make you stronger, and I think

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Speaker 13: that's why I get very very annoyed when I see

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Speaker 13: comments such as what Helen Clark made the other day,

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Speaker 13: because it makes me feel that her outrage is really

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Speaker 13: pecking truth. She's really loud on some sovereignties and whisper

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Speaker 13: quiet on the terror that has been going on in Iran.

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Speaker 13: That's that actually makes me more angry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So many people listening, and myself included, that live in

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Speaker 3: the safety of New Zealand can't even imagine what you're describing.

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Speaker 3: From your perspective or from your father's perspective.

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Speaker 4: I can't comprehend it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So going back to and so, I'm so sorry that

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Speaker 3: that that that happened to your family and you. But

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Speaker 3: going back to Helen Clark, critics like she argues that

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Speaker 3: that that the strikes breach international law. Why do you

578
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Speaker 3: disagree with disagree with her on this on when it

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Speaker 3: comes to Iran.

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Speaker 13: Look, she's talking about international law and talking about that

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Speaker 13: there was no eminent threat and it was illegal under

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Speaker 13: the UN Charter. I don't understand what her definition of

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Speaker 13: eminent is Iran at the moment, they have four hundred

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Speaker 13: and four to kilograms of near weapons grade uranium they've

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Speaker 13: been sending missiles on allies, proxies killing people worldwide. That's

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Speaker 13: the threat building for years and years and years. So

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Speaker 13: in the past forty seven years, they have tried negotiations,

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Speaker 13: they have tried sanctions, they have tried uan resolutions. None

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Speaker 13: of that worked. So and waiting for a mushroom cloud

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Speaker 13: would have cost millions. And I'm not talking about millions

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Speaker 13: of dollars. I'm talking about millions of lives being lost.

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Speaker 13: You cannot expect the USA to wait for a regime

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Speaker 13: such as Iran the IIGC to attack first before you

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Speaker 13: actually do anything. So, and to be honest, sovereignty isn't

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Speaker 13: sacred when it's a shield for slaughter. International law must

596
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Speaker 13: bend to save lives. It has happened before. It's not absolute.

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Speaker 13: And she should know better than this because we have

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Speaker 13: a responsibility to protect and they have even the UN

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Speaker 13: Charter allow self defense. So the build up of this

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Speaker 13: proxy uranium is a clear threat. And Clark's breach clam

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Speaker 13: ignores these presidents. I would actually like to sit with

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Speaker 13: her and have a debate with her. Well, you agrees

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Speaker 13: to do it.

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Speaker 3: If I understand right that you did discuss after was

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Speaker 3: it a speech at aut you did discuss briefly, briefly

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Speaker 3: face to face with Helen Clark. So what did she

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Speaker 3: say to your concerns when you when you talk to

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Speaker 3: her face to face.

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Speaker 13: Well, both her and Kenneth Roth, who were giving these

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Speaker 13: this human rights interview, they said. This was the first

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Speaker 13: thing they said, which just made me laugh. They said, well,

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Speaker 13: Iran refused to join the International Criminal Court. I mean,

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Speaker 13: are you kidding me? Of course, the Ayatollah doesn't want

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Speaker 13: to be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court, So there

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Speaker 13: is absolutely nothing they said that they that's what I

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Speaker 13: said in my art. They talked about voting as if

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Speaker 13: voting means anything in Iran. Samira, Basically, they didn't give

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Speaker 13: us any answer.

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Speaker 4: Samarra, We've got a few more questions for you. Are

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Speaker 4: you okay to just hang on the line and we'll

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Speaker 4: come beat to you in a couple of minutes. Of course,

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. We are speaking to Samara taka

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Speaker 4: v and Iranian New Zealander barrister more in a moment.

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Speaker 4: We are joined by Sami Samira Tagarva. She is an

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Speaker 4: Iranian New Zealander and barrister and she's written an in

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Speaker 4: depth opinion piece about the Iranian conflict in the Herald Today. Samarah,

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Speaker 4: thank you again for your time, my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Now, air strikes are one thing, but will they lead

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Speaker 3: to actual reform and regime change in Iran?

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Speaker 13: That is a difficult question to answer, okay, And I

636
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Speaker 13: can't give it an answer yes or no, because these

637
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Speaker 13: are strikes, of course, are not perfect. Nobody wanted war,

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Speaker 13: but imagine how desperate a country would get that they

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Speaker 13: ask another country to intervene. Okay, So that shows the

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Speaker 13: mere desperation of the Iranians at the moment. So what

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Speaker 13: I can say is that their strikes aren't perfect, but

642
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Speaker 13: they will weaken the IIGC, the engine that is funding

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Speaker 13: his Bola Hamas Houthis and causing global terror. So they

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Speaker 13: have so far eliminated some of the high Commanders in

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Speaker 13: chief in terms of the IIGC members. So it's going

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Speaker 13: to be it's going to definitely make a difference. It's

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Speaker 13: the first time in decades that Iranians can see a

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Speaker 13: crack in the Molas grip. So it's definitely not an escalator.

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Speaker 13: That's not an escalation, that's hope for us.

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Speaker 4: Really, to most Iranians, Samira, does it matter that those

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Speaker 4: who have come in the US and is even if

652
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Speaker 4: they've got ulterior motives to the strikes, does that matter

653
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Speaker 4: to the people of Iran at the stage.

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Speaker 13: A majority of people, it does not matter at all,

655
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Speaker 13: whatever ultarian motive. The only ulterior motive that they have

656
00:35:24,013 --> 00:35:28,133
Speaker 13: is just to protect the world globally from the IIGC.

657
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Speaker 13: That's not a bad motive in my view.

658
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Speaker 3: So if the regime the heads knocked off it, what

659
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Speaker 3: happens next, what factions are at play and who could

660
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Speaker 3: come through? Who do you see is the players that

661
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Speaker 3: could come through and make a better future for the

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Speaker 3: Iranian people.

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Speaker 13: Look, the majority of Iranians inside Iran and outside Iran

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Speaker 13: have accepted and been shouting the crown Razapalavi's name for

665
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Speaker 13: the past for the past few months. So they have accepted,

666
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Speaker 13: they have accepted him as a transitional leader. He does

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Speaker 13: have a very three stages, very clear three stages plan

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Speaker 13: in terms of hard to get Iran into a secular,

669
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Speaker 13: democratic society. He does believe in referendum and he wants

670
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Speaker 13: the people of Iran to decide for the people of Iran.

671
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Speaker 13: So he's the only alternative that the majority of Iranians

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Speaker 13: would see at the moment. Inside and outside Iran. He's

673
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Speaker 13: got a good scene behind him. There will be very,

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Speaker 13: very capable people within Iran who can join him in

675
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Speaker 13: a system. Some of them are still in prison unfortunately,

676
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Speaker 13: but he's the only one we can see that would

677
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Speaker 13: turn Iran into a democratic society at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Samira, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Really appreciate your time and your experiences, and hopefully we

680
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Speaker 4: will speak to you in the next few days and weeks.

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Speaker 13: My absolute pleasure, you guys, have a good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: You two. That is Samara at Takave. She is an

683
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Speaker 4: Iranian New Zealander embarraster and she's written an opinion piece

684
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Speaker 4: in the Herald and it's well worth a read. You

685
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Speaker 4: can see it right now. It is Samarra at Tagavi

686
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Speaker 4: and it is a great piece. It is eight minutes

687
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Speaker 4: to two back very shortly on newstalks 'b madd.

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Speaker 2: Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath.

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Speaker 1: And Tylor Adams Afternoons news Talks eNB.

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Speaker 4: Five to two.

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Speaker 3: So the rules based order is an interesting idea. On

693
00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:28,933
Speaker 3: the surface, it sounds unquestionably good countries interacting according to

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00:37:28,973 --> 00:37:32,533
Speaker 3: agreed rules, laws and processes rather than simply using raw

695
00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:35,133
Speaker 3: power to get their way. And for small color smaller

696
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:38,173
Speaker 3: countries like ours with zero military or geopolitical weight, the

697
00:37:38,213 --> 00:37:41,053
Speaker 3: idea is particularly lovely. Rules are supposed to protect the

698
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Speaker 3: week from the strong, and while we are a beautiful

699
00:37:43,213 --> 00:37:45,733
Speaker 3: little country that I love, in the big picture, we

700
00:37:45,973 --> 00:37:48,093
Speaker 3: are just a cute little kitchen in the corner, a

701
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:50,333
Speaker 3: cute little kitten in the corner, hoping someone will look

702
00:37:50,373 --> 00:37:52,693
Speaker 3: after us if we need it. And theory the system

703
00:37:52,773 --> 00:37:55,973
Speaker 3: is pretty clear. Country should not invade others without legal justification.

704
00:37:56,053 --> 00:38:00,652
Speaker 3: That's in the New End Charter. But meanwhile, regimes do

705
00:38:00,733 --> 00:38:03,933
Speaker 3: horrible things to their own populations, unchecked for decades, sponsoring

706
00:38:04,013 --> 00:38:06,133
Speaker 3: terrorism abroad and still turn up to the UN and

707
00:38:06,173 --> 00:38:09,213
Speaker 3: have their say. Regimes completely ignore human rights conventions and

708
00:38:09,213 --> 00:38:12,172
Speaker 3: threatened neighbors and the international system system is pretty much

709
00:38:12,213 --> 00:38:16,853
Speaker 3: paralyzed to do squat about it. The UN debates, away, committees,

710
00:38:16,853 --> 00:38:19,453
Speaker 3: deliberate all over the shop, but real action is slow

711
00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:23,493
Speaker 3: or normally blocked by the big powers who needed to

712
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Speaker 3: uphold the very things that people are asking to be uphold.

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00:38:28,173 --> 00:38:29,933
Speaker 3: As much. As much as it would be great if

714
00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:32,693
Speaker 3: we had a police force that made everything nice for

715
00:38:32,813 --> 00:38:36,813
Speaker 3: New Zealand globary, the reality is powerful countries follow the

716
00:38:36,893 --> 00:38:41,053
Speaker 3: rules when it is advantageous to them and their interests,

717
00:38:41,053 --> 00:38:43,773
Speaker 3: but don't when they don't. So, which means what does

718
00:38:43,813 --> 00:38:46,292
Speaker 3: New Zealand have to do? Well, make alliances where we can,

719
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Speaker 3: but we should also probably support people who are clearly

720
00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:51,973
Speaker 3: being horribly wronged when and where we can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great discussion. Thank you to everybody who called and

722
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Speaker 4: text on that. Coming up very shortly, we are going

723
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Speaker 4: to take you live to ends at our HQ. There

724
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Speaker 4: is a press conference about to start where they will

725
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Speaker 4: take questions on the appointments of new All Blacks coach

726
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Speaker 4: Dave Rennie. Then we're gonna get your thoughts. Oh eight,

727
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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty Dave Rennie is the

728
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Speaker 4: new All Blacks coach. Can he do enough to bring

729
00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:19,333
Speaker 4: the team together and maybe even maybe bring home the

730
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Speaker 4: World Cup next year. Nineteen ninety two is the text

731
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Speaker 4: New Sport on Weather on its way. Then we're taking

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Speaker 4: you live to enzr HQ.

733
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Speaker 2: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

734
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Speaker 2: in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon squ

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Speaker 2: Schoder News Talk said.

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Speaker 4: Be sixteen pass too. Just a reminder, our mates at

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Speaker 4: Scoder could be sending you and a friend to the

738
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Speaker 4: Tour de France when you play Scoder codes. If you

739
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Speaker 4: need some help with today's clue, just keep listening. We'll

740
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Speaker 4: have a clue for you a little bit later in

741
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Speaker 4: this hour and about half to half an hour's time,

742
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Speaker 4: so listen out for that. But let's have a chat

743
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Speaker 4: about our new All Blacks coach, Dave Rennie, if you're

744
00:40:01,453 --> 00:40:05,133
Speaker 4: listening before during that press conference, David Kirk and Dave Rennie,

745
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Speaker 4: David Kirk, he mentioned that it was a unanis unanimous

746
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Speaker 4: decision by the board selecting the AB's coach. He did

747
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Speaker 4: also mention he's spoken with Jamie Joseph, who took the

748
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Speaker 4: news graciously that he wasn't going to get the job,

749
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Speaker 4: and Jamie Joseph had nice comments to say about Rennie

750
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Speaker 4: as well, and the man himself, Dave Renne, extremely proud,

751
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Speaker 4: well aware of the big expectations he's got on his shoulders,

752
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Speaker 4: and he also admitted there's a lot of work to

753
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Speaker 4: be done. He knows or thinks he can maximize the

754
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Speaker 4: next few months while he sees out his contract with

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Speaker 4: Kobe in Japan. But certainly a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 4: the new All Blacks coach.

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Speaker 3: It'd be funny if Jamie Joseph had thrown his toys,

758
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Speaker 3: they said, we talked to Jamie Jovis Jamie Joseph. He

759
00:40:45,133 --> 00:40:48,093
Speaker 3: said that Renne's a dick, Rugby sucks, I hate the

760
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Speaker 3: whole process, and then hung up on us.

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Speaker 4: Would have been great for us, It would have been fantastic.

762
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Speaker 3: No, But of course Jamie Joseph is a fantastic human being,

763
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Speaker 3: as is Dave Rennie.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think about this?

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Speaker 3: This is an interesting text that came right through and

766
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Speaker 3: I think it cuts to the heart of what we

767
00:41:03,053 --> 00:41:07,413
Speaker 3: want to talk about in rugby. Structurally, is a change

768
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:09,933
Speaker 3: of coach enough to turn things around for rugby in

769
00:41:09,973 --> 00:41:12,573
Speaker 3: New Zealand? This Texas says no one cares about the

770
00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:15,093
Speaker 3: All Blacks anymore. That's definitely not true. I mean, we

771
00:41:15,213 --> 00:41:18,933
Speaker 3: just went to a press conference, and that are coming

772
00:41:18,933 --> 00:41:21,453
Speaker 3: through a press conference live. You know, we don't do

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00:41:21,493 --> 00:41:26,213
Speaker 3: that with anis we consider incredibly important. So you know

774
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Speaker 3: someone cares we do. But anyway, I'll read the text.

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00:41:30,173 --> 00:41:31,893
Speaker 3: No one cares about the All Blacks anymore. This is

776
00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:35,613
Speaker 3: the problem. The best kids at sport, play league, basketball

777
00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:39,413
Speaker 3: or soccer, or sit in their rooms doom scrolling, playing

778
00:41:39,493 --> 00:41:42,893
Speaker 3: violent video games and watching shocking adult material that would

779
00:41:43,053 --> 00:41:48,013
Speaker 3: curl your toes. Okay, okay, very descriptive. That is the problem,

780
00:41:48,293 --> 00:41:50,253
Speaker 3: and that is a problem. If they're watching shocking adult

781
00:41:50,293 --> 00:41:52,893
Speaker 3: material that would curl your toast. You don't want anyone

782
00:41:52,933 --> 00:41:55,293
Speaker 3: watching adult material that would curl your toes. That is

783
00:41:55,293 --> 00:41:57,053
Speaker 3: the problem. We are a small country. If we aren't

784
00:41:57,213 --> 00:42:00,133
Speaker 3: all swimming in the rugby direction, we will never compete

785
00:42:00,213 --> 00:42:02,853
Speaker 3: on the same level. Again, a diff coach is great,

786
00:42:02,973 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 3: and Dave Rennie is a very good choice. But how

787
00:42:05,973 --> 00:42:08,133
Speaker 3: many kids do you know want to stay up late

788
00:42:08,173 --> 00:42:10,413
Speaker 3: and watch the All Blacks these days, let alone do

789
00:42:10,493 --> 00:42:13,653
Speaker 3: the hard yards to follow in the steps of their heroes.

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Speaker 4: I think that's an interesting points. So what do you

791
00:42:15,813 --> 00:42:18,373
Speaker 4: say oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a new

792
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Speaker 4: coach enough to change the current fortunes of the All Blacks. Oh,

793
00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:24,373
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

794
00:42:24,573 --> 00:42:26,893
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two is the text. Let's get into it,

795
00:42:26,933 --> 00:42:29,013
Speaker 4: share your views. It is nineteen past two.

796
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Speaker 2: Wow, your home of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

797
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Speaker 2: afternoons call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News.

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Speaker 1: Talk said, be.

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Speaker 4: Twenty two past two. So Dave Renny is the new

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Speaker 4: All Blacks coach? Is appointing a new coach enough to

801
00:42:44,573 --> 00:42:46,533
Speaker 4: turn around the fortunes of the All Blacks. So eight

802
00:42:46,613 --> 00:42:48,133
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

803
00:42:48,253 --> 00:42:50,533
Speaker 3: Tim says, how hey, guys, the real question is how

804
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:53,172
Speaker 3: thick is Dave's skin? Look what avant to Robinson? All

805
00:42:53,173 --> 00:42:56,173
Speaker 3: the softies moaned, and he got sacked. It's interesting that

806
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:58,813
Speaker 3: he got sacked because you know, if you look at it,

807
00:42:58,853 --> 00:43:01,853
Speaker 3: and it's actually a testament to how how.

808
00:43:01,573 --> 00:43:03,413
Speaker 4: Incredible the All Blacks are.

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Speaker 3: So he coached twenty seven tests in one twenty Yeah, yes,

810
00:43:08,333 --> 00:43:11,293
Speaker 3: pretty good. So that's just an overall win rate of

811
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Speaker 3: seventy four percent. Yeah, and there's not many teams in

812
00:43:14,293 --> 00:43:16,773
Speaker 3: the world that sack someone for that record, Peter, what

813
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:17,333
Speaker 3: do you reckon?

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Speaker 14: Hey, guys? First of all, there were a Dave or Jamie,

815
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Speaker 14: I would have been happy once. But there were three

816
00:43:24,773 --> 00:43:27,893
Speaker 14: words that came to mind, and I really hope he

817
00:43:28,453 --> 00:43:32,253
Speaker 14: lives by them. Picked on form with the.

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Speaker 4: Words, Yeah, I thought that was interesting Peter when he

819
00:43:35,293 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 4: said I've got no real loyalty to any of the

820
00:43:37,813 --> 00:43:40,172
Speaker 4: players who could be in the mix because he hasn't

821
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Speaker 4: coached in New Zealand for so long. Interesting point of view,

822
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Speaker 4: and maybe that will play well for him.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm just worried that we've had many your black

824
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Speaker 14: coaches in the past and have the used those words.

825
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Speaker 14: I'm just really hoping that they're super rugbies probably going

826
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Speaker 14: to start actually being a little bat better and more

827
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Speaker 14: ruthless because he's put those three words out here and

828
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Speaker 14: he's going to stick to them. There's going to be

829
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Speaker 14: a lot of those older players that go, oh damn,

830
00:44:13,053 --> 00:44:16,093
Speaker 14: all the younger ones coming up. I'm gonna spot, you know,

831
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Speaker 14: And I think it's going to be exciting in the

832
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Speaker 14: next next couple of months.

833
00:44:20,853 --> 00:44:23,333
Speaker 3: Anyway, when you say pick on form, Peter, and when

834
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Speaker 3: Dave Reenie says that it's what do you mean by

835
00:44:27,213 --> 00:44:30,133
Speaker 3: form you can't have? Are we dropping people because they

836
00:44:30,173 --> 00:44:33,172
Speaker 3: have a bad game? Or we're talking form across what

837
00:44:33,333 --> 00:44:34,733
Speaker 3: three games a season?

838
00:44:34,933 --> 00:44:34,973
Speaker 15: What?

839
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Speaker 1: What?

840
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:37,453
Speaker 4: What area? What? What what region?

841
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Speaker 16: You know?

842
00:44:37,773 --> 00:44:39,333
Speaker 4: What what length of form?

843
00:44:40,013 --> 00:44:44,213
Speaker 14: I think it has to be like a seasonal form,

844
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:46,692
Speaker 14: like let's use bonum beart.

845
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Speaker 2: Right.

846
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Speaker 14: I love Body, but he's not at his usual best.

847
00:44:51,693 --> 00:44:56,413
Speaker 14: He hasn't been for a while. He shows glimpses an

848
00:44:56,493 --> 00:45:00,813
Speaker 14: amazing athlete, and I can't see him starting, but I

849
00:45:00,853 --> 00:45:05,093
Speaker 14: can see him as an injury cover or you know,

850
00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:10,893
Speaker 14: a backup, And and I just say, and then we unfortunately,

851
00:45:10,893 --> 00:45:15,373
Speaker 14: who's think you'll tell me Tyler? Who's the first five

852
00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:16,893
Speaker 14: at Islanders?

853
00:45:17,333 --> 00:45:19,933
Speaker 4: Oh? The names on the top yet? I know you

854
00:45:20,013 --> 00:45:21,213
Speaker 4: mean keep talking?

855
00:45:21,293 --> 00:45:25,253
Speaker 14: He said, yeah, he's had two great games and if

856
00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:28,893
Speaker 14: that continues, you know, he might overtake Ray Hanner at

857
00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:32,252
Speaker 14: the Canterbury And that would be let's give this guy

858
00:45:32,253 --> 00:45:35,493
Speaker 14: a chance. You know, there's no one else pulling their

859
00:45:35,493 --> 00:45:37,533
Speaker 14: hands up at the moment. And I just think that

860
00:45:38,013 --> 00:45:41,293
Speaker 14: I hope he sticks to pick on four because that's

861
00:45:41,293 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 14: what a lot of us want, right pick on four

862
00:45:43,493 --> 00:45:46,373
Speaker 14: More don't play players out of position, isn't it?

863
00:45:46,653 --> 00:45:46,853
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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00:45:46,973 --> 00:45:51,692
Speaker 4: You were you saying, Peter, but Andrew Houston for five

865
00:45:51,733 --> 00:45:53,893
Speaker 4: in the Holanders.

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00:45:55,013 --> 00:45:57,373
Speaker 14: That sound like him? I thought it was another guy there.

867
00:45:58,933 --> 00:46:01,693
Speaker 14: I was singing Cameron, but he's gone. But he was

868
00:46:01,773 --> 00:46:05,933
Speaker 14: from thy back there. Most of these up and comers

869
00:46:05,933 --> 00:46:09,373
Speaker 14: that are putting the hand up and it needs to be,

870
00:46:10,573 --> 00:46:13,772
Speaker 14: you know, from a selection point of view, if they

871
00:46:13,813 --> 00:46:17,813
Speaker 14: feel that older player needs to be dropped because throughout

872
00:46:17,813 --> 00:46:22,213
Speaker 14: the form you know, over the years man been dropped

873
00:46:22,253 --> 00:46:25,693
Speaker 14: for super things that he's come back harder and stronger,

874
00:46:26,013 --> 00:46:27,413
Speaker 14: being just amazing.

875
00:46:28,253 --> 00:46:33,693
Speaker 4: Cam Miller, you got Matt cam Miller nice, yeah.

876
00:46:32,733 --> 00:46:34,613
Speaker 14: Yeah, and that he's from what I've seen in the

877
00:46:34,693 --> 00:46:38,613
Speaker 14: last couple of games, he's been awesome. He's young and

878
00:46:38,653 --> 00:46:43,333
Speaker 14: that could be our next guy without bringing old wats

879
00:46:43,333 --> 00:46:45,053
Speaker 14: his face back into the lineup.

880
00:46:45,413 --> 00:46:47,093
Speaker 4: Though, isn't it? I mean, but you know you talk

881
00:46:47,133 --> 00:46:49,133
Speaker 4: about and it sounds good like you say, Peter, I

882
00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:51,653
Speaker 4: pick on formal. We've heard that a lot of times,

883
00:46:51,653 --> 00:46:55,013
Speaker 4: but it is objective, right, And Scott Robinson never wanted

884
00:46:55,053 --> 00:46:57,573
Speaker 4: to lose those games, and the All Blacks, the players

885
00:46:57,613 --> 00:46:59,813
Speaker 4: themselves didn't want to lose either. But they thought that

886
00:46:59,893 --> 00:47:01,613
Speaker 4: was the best strategy. And as you say, perhaps he

887
00:47:01,693 --> 00:47:03,373
Speaker 4: had more faith in some of those players than he

888
00:47:03,413 --> 00:47:07,533
Speaker 4: should have. But arguably he was still picking on performance

889
00:47:07,733 --> 00:47:10,172
Speaker 4: that he expected them to perform better than they did.

890
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:12,573
Speaker 4: And putting a guy like cam Miller maybe that's the

891
00:47:12,653 --> 00:47:14,813
Speaker 4: right choice. Or maybe you put him in under those

892
00:47:14,853 --> 00:47:16,853
Speaker 4: bright lights in the in the in the big game

893
00:47:17,093 --> 00:47:17,773
Speaker 4: and he folds.

894
00:47:18,853 --> 00:47:19,053
Speaker 15: Yeah.

895
00:47:19,173 --> 00:47:21,373
Speaker 14: And you know, I think of one player for the

896
00:47:21,453 --> 00:47:25,733
Speaker 14: last World Cup, Well Cup, all World Cups, nahiml lu Scunner.

897
00:47:26,013 --> 00:47:29,773
Speaker 14: He came from nowhere and became the outstanding wing for

898
00:47:29,893 --> 00:47:33,613
Speaker 14: that whole season into the World Cup. We did the

899
00:47:33,653 --> 00:47:38,013
Speaker 14: same with Holland a Lock last year was amazing standout player. Yeah,

900
00:47:38,013 --> 00:47:39,173
Speaker 14: he came from nowhere.

901
00:47:39,373 --> 00:47:41,733
Speaker 4: So, Peter, you're making some good points. Thank you very

902
00:47:41,773 --> 00:47:43,493
Speaker 4: much for giving us a call, but we have to

903
00:47:43,493 --> 00:47:45,893
Speaker 4: play some ads, Peter, So sorry about that. Yeah. Oh,

904
00:47:45,893 --> 00:47:48,053
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

905
00:47:48,173 --> 00:47:51,333
Speaker 4: Is Dave Rennie the right man to turn around the

906
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:53,293
Speaker 4: fortunes of the All Blacks And as a new coach,

907
00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:55,413
Speaker 4: enough love to get your thoughts on that. Twenty seven

908
00:47:55,493 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 4: US two.

909
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:03,093
Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

910
00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:05,173
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty on youth Talk said.

911
00:48:05,013 --> 00:48:07,613
Speaker 4: The past two is a new head coach enough to

912
00:48:07,693 --> 00:48:09,333
Speaker 4: fix what is wrong with the All Blacks.

913
00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:12,853
Speaker 3: The win rate with the Rays is irrelevant, you muppet it.

914
00:48:12,853 --> 00:48:15,732
Speaker 3: It's how we lost. In who he lost too, sayssors Text.

915
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:17,812
Speaker 3: He gave little hope that we'd win the World Cup.

916
00:48:18,173 --> 00:48:22,453
Speaker 3: Rennie and Jamie are both excellent. Congratulations to Dave Rennie. Yeah,

917
00:48:22,533 --> 00:48:25,253
Speaker 3: I guess that that record loss to South Africa was

918
00:48:25,293 --> 00:48:25,613
Speaker 3: not good.

919
00:48:26,813 --> 00:48:29,773
Speaker 4: We can all admit that. Yeah, a record loss. Yeah,

920
00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:32,093
Speaker 4: losing it Twickenham was not great. Nope.

921
00:48:32,413 --> 00:48:35,733
Speaker 3: And the defeat to Argentina were not great. So they

922
00:48:35,773 --> 00:48:38,053
Speaker 3: were they were ones that hurt, weren't they But he

923
00:48:38,133 --> 00:48:41,093
Speaker 3: did the unbeaten record at Eden Park that won against

924
00:48:41,093 --> 00:48:43,453
Speaker 3: South Africa. M Yeah, that was something.

925
00:48:43,653 --> 00:48:43,933
Speaker 4: Yep.

926
00:48:44,853 --> 00:48:45,093
Speaker 9: Yeah.

927
00:48:45,213 --> 00:48:48,533
Speaker 4: I mean I think Rais has gone now, and look,

928
00:48:48,573 --> 00:48:50,093
Speaker 4: I'm still a bit bitter about it because I was

929
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:53,493
Speaker 4: a raisor man. I admit that. But the runway to

930
00:48:54,053 --> 00:48:56,853
Speaker 4: the World Cup and there was some concern there from

931
00:48:56,893 --> 00:48:58,333
Speaker 4: David Kirk and the rest of the n z R.

932
00:48:58,413 --> 00:49:00,573
Speaker 4: So he's gone burger, But does it not feel a

933
00:49:00,613 --> 00:49:02,933
Speaker 4: little bit like a hospital passed for Rennie. At this stage,

934
00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:05,373
Speaker 4: he's got five hundred and seventy actually less than that

935
00:49:05,413 --> 00:49:07,013
Speaker 4: because he's got to see out his contract. He's not

936
00:49:07,053 --> 00:49:09,933
Speaker 4: starting with the All Blacks in true form until July,

937
00:49:10,613 --> 00:49:12,853
Speaker 4: so he's got five hundred and fifty days to get

938
00:49:12,853 --> 00:49:14,933
Speaker 4: the All Blacks in shape to bring home that couple.

939
00:49:15,013 --> 00:49:17,533
Speaker 4: He's gone burger as well. I mean that's a tough

940
00:49:17,773 --> 00:49:18,613
Speaker 4: position to be in.

941
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:21,573
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the amount of abuse we gave

942
00:49:21,613 --> 00:49:23,333
Speaker 3: Fozzy we included.

943
00:49:23,133 --> 00:49:26,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, so much. Yep, I feel one point away, I

944
00:49:26,053 --> 00:49:28,453
Speaker 4: feel I feel bad about that. Yeah, yeah, me too.

945
00:49:29,013 --> 00:49:32,813
Speaker 3: We got we went crazy. We're after we were chanting

946
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:36,253
Speaker 3: for regime change. I didn't solve our problem. So the

947
00:49:36,373 --> 00:49:38,933
Speaker 3: question we're really asking is are the problems more structural

948
00:49:39,013 --> 00:49:42,253
Speaker 3: than coach when it comes to the All Blacks? That

949
00:49:42,293 --> 00:49:44,253
Speaker 3: text was right, says this text, And no one cares

950
00:49:44,293 --> 00:49:47,652
Speaker 3: about rugby anymore, and the boomer News predictably crossing to

951
00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:51,493
Speaker 3: a rugby press conference isn't proof they do. Rugby has

952
00:49:51,533 --> 00:49:53,613
Speaker 3: taken their fans for granted for way too long. The

953
00:49:53,693 --> 00:49:56,413
Speaker 3: rules are horrible and the fan experience sucks. We don't

954
00:49:56,453 --> 00:50:00,013
Speaker 3: all want huge cues for rubbish, green bottled beer and

955
00:50:00,173 --> 00:50:01,213
Speaker 3: soggy chips.

956
00:50:01,413 --> 00:50:05,093
Speaker 4: Okay, right, that's a rugby eater right there, right, all right,

957
00:50:05,653 --> 00:50:07,613
Speaker 4: so come on through. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

958
00:50:07,773 --> 00:50:10,453
Speaker 4: eighty join the conversation. What do you say is a

959
00:50:10,493 --> 00:50:13,213
Speaker 4: new coach and Dave Rennie enough to turn around the

960
00:50:13,253 --> 00:50:15,093
Speaker 4: fortunes of the All Blacks?

961
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:18,573
Speaker 3: How many dudes? No rules like this? How many dudes

962
00:50:18,973 --> 00:50:21,733
Speaker 3: you know flow like this? Not many, Dave Rennie?

963
00:50:22,173 --> 00:50:25,933
Speaker 4: Not many? Dave Rennie says, Ben, Yeah, good on your Ben, right,

964
00:50:26,013 --> 00:50:29,053
Speaker 4: it is twenty eight to three headlines then taken more

965
00:50:29,093 --> 00:50:30,373
Speaker 4: of your calls back in a month.

966
00:50:31,853 --> 00:50:35,853
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969
00:50:39,453 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 12: New All Blacks head coach Dave Rennie says he's well

970
00:50:42,613 --> 00:50:45,733
Speaker 12: aware of the expectations of the job and is looking

971
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Speaker 12: forward to the challenge. Sources are suggesting the CIA's arming

972
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Speaker 12: Kurdish opposition groups to trigger an uprising in Iran as

973
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Speaker 12: US and Israeli attacks on Iran rock the Middle East.

974
00:50:57,893 --> 00:51:01,013
Speaker 12: Close to eight hundred people have died in Iran. Dozens

975
00:51:01,053 --> 00:51:04,212
Speaker 12: have died in Lebanon, which Israel is attacking from the

976
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Speaker 12: air and on land. Iran st to military and diplomatic

977
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Speaker 12: you U has targets and cutter Dubai and Saudi Arabia,

978
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979
00:51:14,853 --> 00:51:20,133
Speaker 12: appointed mosh Tabah Harmony as supreme leader, replacing his slain father.

980
00:51:21,413 --> 00:51:23,773
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981
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982
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983
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984
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985
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Speaker 12: more at enzid Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan

986
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:44,533
Speaker 12: Tyler Adams.

987
00:51:44,573 --> 00:51:46,692
Speaker 4: Thanks you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about Dave Renni,

988
00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:49,373
Speaker 4: our new All Blacks coach, as a new coach enough

989
00:51:49,573 --> 00:51:51,333
Speaker 4: to turn around what's going wrong with you All Blacks.

990
00:51:51,373 --> 00:51:53,172
Speaker 3: We've got a text the four from someone saying, how

991
00:51:53,173 --> 00:51:56,013
Speaker 3: thick is a skin because you'll get ripped a new

992
00:51:56,053 --> 00:51:57,013
Speaker 3: one if you're the coach, no.

993
00:51:56,893 --> 00:51:59,333
Speaker 4: Matter what of the All Blacks. Yep, it's already started.

994
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:02,293
Speaker 3: The six says Dave Rennie has the worst stats as

995
00:52:02,293 --> 00:52:05,293
Speaker 3: the head coach of Australia thirty six point four percent

996
00:52:05,333 --> 00:52:05,773
Speaker 3: win rate.

997
00:52:05,813 --> 00:52:07,013
Speaker 4: Why are we celebrating?

998
00:52:07,653 --> 00:52:10,013
Speaker 3: And the six says, so the failed Australian coach who

999
00:52:10,093 --> 00:52:11,853
Speaker 3: ran off to Japan is now the All Blacks coach.

1000
00:52:12,253 --> 00:52:16,373
Speaker 4: Great, here it starts the second toughest job in New Zealand.

1001
00:52:16,413 --> 00:52:19,933
Speaker 3: I think afternoon, guys. This is from Robin. She says,

1002
00:52:19,973 --> 00:52:22,172
Speaker 3: Rugby used to be the number one, but not now.

1003
00:52:22,293 --> 00:52:25,173
Speaker 3: There was just too much of it and we lost interest.

1004
00:52:25,493 --> 00:52:27,453
Speaker 3: Just like the haka used to give me a thrill.

1005
00:52:27,893 --> 00:52:30,893
Speaker 3: Now it's overused by every team. We put the jug

1006
00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:33,133
Speaker 3: on when it comes on. If nothing else to do,

1007
00:52:33,973 --> 00:52:36,053
Speaker 3: we'll watch the odd game. But that's about it, all right.

1008
00:52:36,133 --> 00:52:39,173
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate when a chug is more interesting. They're watching

1009
00:52:39,213 --> 00:52:42,653
Speaker 4: the All Blacks. But thank you very much for that text. Okay,

1010
00:52:42,773 --> 00:52:45,733
Speaker 4: here we go here, let's go to the phones. Eh yeah, Mark,

1011
00:52:46,373 --> 00:52:47,333
Speaker 4: can you get your view on this?

1012
00:52:49,173 --> 00:52:52,533
Speaker 16: Hey there, guys, Yeah, to be here. I'm quite excited

1013
00:52:52,533 --> 00:52:57,373
Speaker 16: by it. Way back I was a Scott Robinson fan,

1014
00:52:57,573 --> 00:53:02,453
Speaker 16: but I can see that really he hasn't worked out,

1015
00:53:02,533 --> 00:53:06,212
Speaker 16: unfortunately or for whatever reason. But what I really want

1016
00:53:06,213 --> 00:53:12,453
Speaker 16: to see Renny is creating that the culture. Much use word,

1017
00:53:13,173 --> 00:53:15,573
Speaker 16: but it's it's that, you know, the players playing for

1018
00:53:15,653 --> 00:53:20,173
Speaker 16: each other, you know, like that that record lost to

1019
00:53:20,253 --> 00:53:23,453
Speaker 16: South Africa. It's not it wasn't the loss that upset me.

1020
00:53:23,733 --> 00:53:25,733
Speaker 16: That it was the way they lost in the end,

1021
00:53:25,773 --> 00:53:28,973
Speaker 16: they almost seemed to give up, and that to me

1022
00:53:29,253 --> 00:53:32,853
Speaker 16: talked a lot about the culture that Robertson unfortunately did

1023
00:53:32,893 --> 00:53:33,573
Speaker 16: not create.

1024
00:53:35,893 --> 00:53:40,013
Speaker 17: Ye he's saying back to Foster and the way, sorry

1025
00:53:40,653 --> 00:53:41,413
Speaker 17: now you're going out.

1026
00:53:41,373 --> 00:53:44,013
Speaker 16: The way Foster at the end of his time, how

1027
00:53:44,333 --> 00:53:46,692
Speaker 16: the players, you know, they came up and supported him

1028
00:53:46,693 --> 00:53:51,853
Speaker 16: when there was talking them dropping Foster in South Africa

1029
00:53:52,613 --> 00:53:55,973
Speaker 16: before the you know, the players actually came and went

1030
00:53:56,053 --> 00:53:58,733
Speaker 16: to use out on Ragby and said you're on, you know,

1031
00:53:59,133 --> 00:54:02,733
Speaker 16: you need to keep it. So he created the culture

1032
00:54:02,893 --> 00:54:06,573
Speaker 16: of working for each other and playing their hearts out

1033
00:54:06,573 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 16: and that proved to be correct the Rugby World Cup

1034
00:54:09,613 --> 00:54:13,693
Speaker 16: and unfortunately Raiser Cash and been able to create that culture.

1035
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:15,973
Speaker 4: M Well, what I found.

1036
00:54:15,813 --> 00:54:17,893
Speaker 3: Quite interesting about Razor and I know we're looking forward,

1037
00:54:17,973 --> 00:54:21,613
Speaker 3: is that we kind of imagine that be an amazing

1038
00:54:21,653 --> 00:54:24,813
Speaker 3: new rugby brain coming in and things would be interesting

1039
00:54:24,893 --> 00:54:28,533
Speaker 3: and innovative, especially with the South Africans trying all kinds

1040
00:54:28,573 --> 00:54:31,413
Speaker 3: of new things, and what we got is very standard

1041
00:54:31,453 --> 00:54:36,693
Speaker 3: rugby and very safe selections or very predictable selections. So

1042
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:40,413
Speaker 3: do you think Dave Renny will shake things up.

1043
00:54:43,453 --> 00:54:46,093
Speaker 16: He's got the possibility of doing it. It's so hard

1044
00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:49,573
Speaker 16: to know, but I think he's hard nosed enough to

1045
00:54:49,613 --> 00:54:52,373
Speaker 16: hear it. And as he said, he doesn't have those

1046
00:54:52,453 --> 00:54:56,973
Speaker 16: loyalties to any any single player anymore. There's nobody he

1047
00:54:57,133 --> 00:55:00,573
Speaker 16: coached in New Zealand as far as I know, that's

1048
00:55:00,613 --> 00:55:04,853
Speaker 16: still playing. So he's the opportunity to come in and

1049
00:55:04,893 --> 00:55:08,613
Speaker 16: be that breath of free there just on the These

1050
00:55:08,653 --> 00:55:12,133
Speaker 16: players all know how to play rugby, yeah, and they

1051
00:55:12,173 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 16: can adapt. It's because you're giving them a structure and

1052
00:55:14,933 --> 00:55:18,253
Speaker 16: a team pattern to play. But they all should be

1053
00:55:18,373 --> 00:55:25,733
Speaker 16: he can Cope's that grounding that you know, the head space. Really.

1054
00:55:26,253 --> 00:55:28,053
Speaker 3: It is the thing though, when you say we have

1055
00:55:28,173 --> 00:55:30,413
Speaker 3: the you know they can all play rugby. But when

1056
00:55:30,453 --> 00:55:33,893
Speaker 3: you look back at, say the twenty fifteen World Cup

1057
00:55:33,933 --> 00:55:36,613
Speaker 3: team that we put on the field, you've got to

1058
00:55:36,613 --> 00:55:38,853
Speaker 3: say it'd be a lot easier to coach those guys

1059
00:55:38,893 --> 00:55:44,093
Speaker 3: because every position you had a generational player pretty much. Yeah,

1060
00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:47,133
Speaker 3: every position you had a player that would make any

1061
00:55:47,133 --> 00:55:50,413
Speaker 3: team in the world, which you wouldn't say that now.

1062
00:55:51,133 --> 00:55:53,053
Speaker 3: So it is a harder job to coach, I would

1063
00:55:53,053 --> 00:55:54,613
Speaker 3: say than it has been in the past.

1064
00:55:56,813 --> 00:56:01,293
Speaker 16: I think so, and I wouldn't disagree though. Yeah, all

1065
00:56:01,333 --> 00:56:02,933
Speaker 16: think we're actually batting away.

1066
00:56:02,973 --> 00:56:03,253
Speaker 14: We're not.

1067
00:56:03,533 --> 00:56:06,453
Speaker 16: It's not like maybe we don't have the world's best

1068
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:09,413
Speaker 16: player or we've probably got the world second best player

1069
00:56:09,453 --> 00:56:12,853
Speaker 16: in every position, so it's not like we're miles away.

1070
00:56:14,013 --> 00:56:16,493
Speaker 16: You know, you can look at we need to settle

1071
00:56:16,493 --> 00:56:18,652
Speaker 16: on a scene. Tourist.

1072
00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:20,973
Speaker 4: Oh Mark, we've just lost you, but thank you very

1073
00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:22,893
Speaker 4: much for your call, just quickly on the you know,

1074
00:56:22,933 --> 00:56:26,053
Speaker 4: the culture aspect, and I get their criticism of Scott

1075
00:56:26,373 --> 00:56:28,973
Speaker 4: Robinson and he came in as the culture coach, but

1076
00:56:29,013 --> 00:56:30,732
Speaker 4: when you're in the thick of a game and it's

1077
00:56:30,853 --> 00:56:33,413
Speaker 4: not going your way, I mean, at what point what

1078
00:56:33,493 --> 00:56:35,652
Speaker 4: more can the coach do? At that point? Is it

1079
00:56:35,693 --> 00:56:38,893
Speaker 4: really the responsible These are growing men and professional athletes,

1080
00:56:39,173 --> 00:56:40,772
Speaker 4: that isn't it up to the players on the field.

1081
00:56:40,813 --> 00:56:42,333
Speaker 4: I'm not going to name names here, but we all

1082
00:56:42,373 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 4: know what happened in that South Africa game they gave up.

1083
00:56:45,093 --> 00:56:46,692
Speaker 4: I mean, is that really up to the coach at

1084
00:56:46,693 --> 00:56:49,093
Speaker 4: that point to say, come on, boys, dig deep. These

1085
00:56:49,093 --> 00:56:51,692
Speaker 4: are professional athletes. It paid a lot of money. They

1086
00:56:51,733 --> 00:56:55,813
Speaker 4: are there to dig deep themselves. Plan bees, plan bees.

1087
00:56:57,093 --> 00:56:58,493
Speaker 4: There's a lot going on.

1088
00:56:58,773 --> 00:57:00,292
Speaker 3: You know, the game is just the end of the week,

1089
00:57:00,533 --> 00:57:03,733
Speaker 3: Tyler when you're out there, so you know, making a

1090
00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:08,573
Speaker 3: players mentally tough and having other options when things aren't

1091
00:57:08,613 --> 00:57:10,773
Speaker 3: going right, and you know, a lot of that comes

1092
00:57:10,813 --> 00:57:12,613
Speaker 3: down to the captain on the field. I used to

1093
00:57:12,653 --> 00:57:14,973
Speaker 3: see Karen Reid get the players in a circle and

1094
00:57:15,893 --> 00:57:17,173
Speaker 3: talk to each of them and listen to them.

1095
00:57:17,173 --> 00:57:18,813
Speaker 4: He was a fantastic leader in that regard.

1096
00:57:20,053 --> 00:57:22,533
Speaker 3: So but I think I think that, you know, it's

1097
00:57:22,533 --> 00:57:24,893
Speaker 3: more than just what happens on the field. I think

1098
00:57:24,933 --> 00:57:26,773
Speaker 3: I think to be in that position where you can

1099
00:57:26,893 --> 00:57:28,933
Speaker 3: dig deep, you have to be feeling pretty good about

1100
00:57:28,933 --> 00:57:29,973
Speaker 3: the culture of the of the team.

1101
00:57:30,053 --> 00:57:32,653
Speaker 4: Right. Interesting, But I do agree with you.

1102
00:57:32,573 --> 00:57:35,013
Speaker 3: Like highly paid sports people that sort of you know,

1103
00:57:35,253 --> 00:57:37,453
Speaker 3: get the bottom lip out. It's always an odd thing

1104
00:57:37,493 --> 00:57:37,773
Speaker 3: to me.

1105
00:57:37,813 --> 00:57:39,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you want people on the field that can

1106
00:57:39,573 --> 00:57:41,333
Speaker 4: dig in and say, nah, bugger this for a joke.

1107
00:57:41,413 --> 00:57:43,373
Speaker 4: Come on, boys, like you know, stuff up a lip

1108
00:57:43,413 --> 00:57:44,493
Speaker 4: and let's get into it.

1109
00:57:44,493 --> 00:57:46,133
Speaker 3: It's stuff up and up until you get punched in

1110
00:57:46,133 --> 00:57:49,293
Speaker 3: the upper lip. You know, formers not individual You perform

1111
00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:52,013
Speaker 3: better with good players around you. Igy, some do better

1112
00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:54,573
Speaker 3: in the abs then in their super rugby team. Yeah,

1113
00:57:54,613 --> 00:57:56,573
Speaker 3: I mean that's you thinking about Aaron Smith, right. So

1114
00:57:56,733 --> 00:57:59,133
Speaker 3: Aaron Smith made first fives look really, really good because

1115
00:57:59,133 --> 00:58:02,253
Speaker 3: they had more time and you know, they always got

1116
00:58:02,293 --> 00:58:05,093
Speaker 3: the ball exactly where they needed it. So if you've

1117
00:58:05,133 --> 00:58:07,853
Speaker 3: got an incredibly good, you know, half back, that makes

1118
00:58:07,853 --> 00:58:08,813
Speaker 3: a big different, doesn't it?

1119
00:58:08,933 --> 00:58:11,573
Speaker 4: Very true? It is eighteen to three taking your calls

1120
00:58:11,613 --> 00:58:13,333
Speaker 4: O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a

1121
00:58:13,373 --> 00:58:15,933
Speaker 4: new coach enough to fix what is going wrong with you?

1122
00:58:15,973 --> 00:58:18,973
Speaker 4: All Blacks? Share your story back in the MO eighteen

1123
00:58:19,013 --> 00:58:19,533
Speaker 4: to three.

1124
00:58:20,413 --> 00:58:24,253
Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on Oh,

1125
00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,533
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where's Skoda?

1126
00:58:26,693 --> 00:58:27,613
Speaker 1: Can you crack the goad?

1127
00:58:27,773 --> 00:58:28,013
Speaker 16: Place?

1128
00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:30,693
Speaker 1: Scoda codes every day? News dogs they'd be.

1129
00:58:31,053 --> 00:58:32,173
Speaker 4: Quarter to three.

1130
00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:35,293
Speaker 3: I tried to call, but the lines were all busy

1131
00:58:35,413 --> 00:58:39,293
Speaker 3: as usual, says Sonya. I respect you, Maddie for admitting

1132
00:58:39,333 --> 00:58:41,133
Speaker 3: you were hard on Fozzy. I feel bad how hard

1133
00:58:41,173 --> 00:58:44,613
Speaker 3: while I was on Hozzy Fozzy, he has been vindicated

1134
00:58:44,693 --> 00:58:49,373
Speaker 3: in my opinion. He showed dignity through all the criticism

1135
00:58:49,413 --> 00:58:51,373
Speaker 3: and took the AB so close to winning the World Cup.

1136
00:58:51,413 --> 00:58:54,453
Speaker 3: I was personally very disappointed in the way Fozzy was treated.

1137
00:58:54,853 --> 00:58:56,333
Speaker 3: Let's hope we learn from that era.

1138
00:58:57,213 --> 00:58:59,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we can all admit we're a bit well,

1139
00:58:59,173 --> 00:59:01,533
Speaker 4: most of us were hard on Fozzy. We got feverish,

1140
00:59:01,533 --> 00:59:03,573
Speaker 4: didn't we did? We lost our collective minds and we

1141
00:59:03,573 --> 00:59:04,853
Speaker 4: went we wanted blood.

1142
00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:07,653
Speaker 3: And then in retrospect, how insane to say someone has

1143
00:59:07,653 --> 00:59:10,493
Speaker 3: definitely been place no matter what happens, and then he

1144
00:59:10,573 --> 00:59:12,173
Speaker 3: was one point away from winning the World Cup.

1145
00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:13,533
Speaker 4: Then what position would be in?

1146
00:59:13,893 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 3: And what about that press conference they call where they

1147
00:59:16,253 --> 00:59:18,453
Speaker 3: were going to roll them, then they didn't roll them,

1148
00:59:18,493 --> 00:59:19,573
Speaker 3: and then so weird.

1149
00:59:19,613 --> 00:59:20,773
Speaker 4: I mean you've got to put that a lot of

1150
00:59:20,813 --> 00:59:22,253
Speaker 4: that on Mark Robinson as well.

1151
00:59:22,213 --> 00:59:25,893
Speaker 3: Saying goes formost, temporary classes, permanent. Years ago people were

1152
00:59:25,893 --> 00:59:28,613
Speaker 3: calling for Richard mccaur's head due to form and super rugby.

1153
00:59:29,293 --> 00:59:32,813
Speaker 3: But how good did he perform for the Abs after that?

1154
00:59:32,893 --> 00:59:34,973
Speaker 3: This Texas is New Zealand rugby is dying at the

1155
00:59:34,973 --> 00:59:38,733
Speaker 3: provincial and schoolboy level. That us filter through to the top.

1156
00:59:39,253 --> 00:59:43,173
Speaker 4: Renny will fail starts early, doesn't it. Let's go to

1157
00:59:43,173 --> 00:59:46,773
Speaker 4: the phones, Trevor, how are you good things? Well, what's

1158
00:59:46,813 --> 00:59:49,133
Speaker 4: your thought? Sorry, what's your thoughts?

1159
00:59:49,733 --> 00:59:56,413
Speaker 15: Oh? Conngratulations to Day for winning the coaching But anyway,

1160
00:59:57,893 --> 01:00:02,493
Speaker 15: is he allowed to make, say a dozen changes from

1161
01:00:02,493 --> 01:00:03,693
Speaker 15: the squad they've got there.

1162
01:00:04,493 --> 01:00:06,853
Speaker 4: I don't see why not. He's the key, he's the

1163
01:00:06,853 --> 01:00:10,853
Speaker 4: head coach. Well, he has to work with selectors.

1164
01:00:10,933 --> 01:00:14,373
Speaker 3: But he did seem to say that he, you know,

1165
01:00:14,413 --> 01:00:16,573
Speaker 3: in his statements in the press conference, he said he

1166
01:00:16,693 --> 01:00:19,293
Speaker 3: was going to pick on form that he doesn't have

1167
01:00:19,333 --> 01:00:23,493
Speaker 3: any allegiant allegiances I think was his term. Two players

1168
01:00:23,533 --> 01:00:26,613
Speaker 3: that were there, which suggest he's looking to you know,

1169
01:00:27,173 --> 01:00:29,133
Speaker 3: cut do some cuts, cut, cut, cut.

1170
01:00:30,213 --> 01:00:32,133
Speaker 15: And the other. The other thing. I'd like to say,

1171
01:00:32,373 --> 01:00:38,493
Speaker 15: we need to have a goal kicker that beswides the ones.

1172
01:00:38,533 --> 01:00:43,973
Speaker 15: We've got another one that can kick long range goals.

1173
01:00:44,213 --> 01:00:46,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean because if we go.

1174
01:00:46,493 --> 01:00:51,293
Speaker 15: To South Africa all that we need to kick goals, Yeah,

1175
01:00:51,573 --> 01:00:52,733
Speaker 15: and plenty of.

1176
01:00:52,533 --> 01:00:55,053
Speaker 3: Them to get those people that can kick rolls. There's

1177
01:00:55,093 --> 01:00:57,093
Speaker 3: a lot of people are texting and that the kids

1178
01:00:57,133 --> 01:01:00,053
Speaker 3: just aren't playing rugby at the same numbers that they

1179
01:01:00,133 --> 01:01:02,373
Speaker 3: used to. But you take someone like Dan Carter that

1180
01:01:02,573 --> 01:01:05,493
Speaker 3: used to just be in his backyard. He had some

1181
01:01:05,733 --> 01:01:07,493
Speaker 3: posts set up by his dad, and he used to.

1182
01:01:07,613 --> 01:01:09,333
Speaker 4: Kick and kick and kick and kick and kck and

1183
01:01:09,373 --> 01:01:11,453
Speaker 4: kick and kick, and Cack just absolutely loved it.

1184
01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:14,693
Speaker 3: I mean, do we have enough kids that are doing

1185
01:01:14,733 --> 01:01:17,973
Speaker 3: that right now across the country such that one pops

1186
01:01:18,053 --> 01:01:21,773
Speaker 3: up who is just you know, a generational player. I mean,

1187
01:01:21,773 --> 01:01:23,653
Speaker 3: that's the problem when you've got a small country like us.

1188
01:01:23,653 --> 01:01:28,293
Speaker 3: We need so many kids playing it to have any

1189
01:01:28,373 --> 01:01:31,213
Speaker 3: kind of pool, to have these people. So I mean,

1190
01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:35,413
Speaker 3: I'm sure there is. You see them sometimes, see kids

1191
01:01:35,453 --> 01:01:38,453
Speaker 3: out kicking the balls, but not not like you used to.

1192
01:01:38,693 --> 01:01:39,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this.

1193
01:01:39,613 --> 01:01:43,093
Speaker 3: With those those kids that were just so absolutely fanatical

1194
01:01:43,133 --> 01:01:44,613
Speaker 3: about it that they were just kcking, kak and kak

1195
01:01:44,653 --> 01:01:45,933
Speaker 3: and kak and keke. And you need to be like

1196
01:01:45,933 --> 01:01:47,293
Speaker 3: that if you're going to be one of those really

1197
01:01:47,333 --> 01:01:48,853
Speaker 3: super long range kickers.

1198
01:01:48,573 --> 01:01:51,173
Speaker 4: Thousands and thousands of hours. Yeah, Tree Van, Well, the

1199
01:01:51,253 --> 01:01:51,973
Speaker 4: thing you got.

1200
01:01:51,853 --> 01:01:56,613
Speaker 15: Things like if you go right back to say fifty nine,

1201
01:01:56,693 --> 01:02:00,653
Speaker 15: when Don Clark was well he was around before that,

1202
01:02:00,773 --> 01:02:03,693
Speaker 15: but when they played the lines and things like that,

1203
01:02:04,853 --> 01:02:11,533
Speaker 15: I mean the All Blacks the best team. The lines

1204
01:02:11,533 --> 01:02:14,773
Speaker 15: are probably a lot better, but they still won by

1205
01:02:14,853 --> 01:02:15,613
Speaker 15: kicking goals.

1206
01:02:17,253 --> 01:02:20,413
Speaker 4: Yep, you're being on trivor. And you know, whether there's

1207
01:02:20,413 --> 01:02:22,413
Speaker 4: some innovation that's going to be brought into the All

1208
01:02:22,453 --> 01:02:25,133
Speaker 4: Blacks to try and compete with some of those techniques

1209
01:02:25,213 --> 01:02:27,293
Speaker 4: ahead of the World Cup. I suppose we'll wait and see.

1210
01:02:28,013 --> 01:02:32,733
Speaker 18: There's got to Ben been Hey, Ben, I'm sorry here, Hey,

1211
01:02:32,853 --> 01:02:37,653
Speaker 18: how's it going? So I think that Dave Rennie's a

1212
01:02:37,653 --> 01:02:41,013
Speaker 18: good choice. Even if it was Jamie Joseph or Dave Rennie,

1213
01:02:41,053 --> 01:02:43,333
Speaker 18: I'm happy for you know either.

1214
01:02:43,373 --> 01:02:43,533
Speaker 15: All.

1215
01:02:44,133 --> 01:02:47,333
Speaker 18: I think this year, you know, people are going to

1216
01:02:47,493 --> 01:02:52,173
Speaker 18: expect high expectations because Dave Brinnie is going to have

1217
01:02:52,213 --> 01:02:53,893
Speaker 18: to bring in a new culture and I think he's

1218
01:02:53,933 --> 01:02:57,093
Speaker 18: going to bring that in really well. And I think

1219
01:02:57,133 --> 01:03:03,533
Speaker 18: people are going to expect immediate results. And while I

1220
01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:06,453
Speaker 18: say that, I'm like, we may not win against South

1221
01:03:06,493 --> 01:03:09,413
Speaker 18: Africa to win that series though there, but he's going

1222
01:03:09,453 --> 01:03:11,893
Speaker 18: to bring in a culture that of a winning culture

1223
01:03:12,133 --> 01:03:15,373
Speaker 18: and we're going to see better results even if we

1224
01:03:15,493 --> 01:03:19,253
Speaker 18: lose a few games, but we're going to see something better.

1225
01:03:19,293 --> 01:03:21,693
Speaker 18: And I think he's going to build on that, and

1226
01:03:21,773 --> 01:03:25,333
Speaker 18: I think we've got the right coach in place, and

1227
01:03:26,133 --> 01:03:29,373
Speaker 18: I think were set up for better things in the future.

1228
01:03:30,013 --> 01:03:32,373
Speaker 3: It's always interesting and it's the question we always ask

1229
01:03:33,013 --> 01:03:35,213
Speaker 3: how much leeway and how many games do we allow

1230
01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:39,533
Speaker 3: the coach to lose before we just get in chorus

1231
01:03:39,533 --> 01:03:42,693
Speaker 3: of abusing abusing them. Then the amount of push, the

1232
01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:45,213
Speaker 3: amount of articles that just get thrown your way, the

1233
01:03:45,413 --> 01:03:47,933
Speaker 3: amount of talk back if we just lose a couple

1234
01:03:47,973 --> 01:03:50,973
Speaker 3: of games. I mean going back to Fossy for example.

1235
01:03:51,453 --> 01:03:53,653
Speaker 18: Well with Graham Henny when he came in in two

1236
01:03:53,693 --> 01:03:57,373
Speaker 18: thousand and four, for example, we didn't have We kind

1237
01:03:57,373 --> 01:04:00,413
Speaker 18: of had a mediocre year with Graham Henry in two

1238
01:04:00,413 --> 01:04:02,853
Speaker 18: thousand and four where he was trying to figure things out.

1239
01:04:02,933 --> 01:04:05,453
Speaker 18: So we have to give the coach in his first

1240
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:10,333
Speaker 18: year a chance to embed his culture. So maybe we

1241
01:04:10,373 --> 01:04:13,013
Speaker 18: go to South Africa and we lose all three tests,

1242
01:04:13,053 --> 01:04:16,173
Speaker 18: but we win very closely. But we see a lot

1243
01:04:16,213 --> 01:04:21,013
Speaker 18: of improvement as opposed to the last coaching era, you know,

1244
01:04:21,053 --> 01:04:25,773
Speaker 18: with Scott Robinson. So no disrespect to copco Scott Robinson,

1245
01:04:26,053 --> 01:04:29,973
Speaker 18: you know, So Dave Brennie, he's going to progress. Maybe

1246
01:04:30,053 --> 01:04:33,293
Speaker 18: we lose those tests, but we see things that are

1247
01:04:33,333 --> 01:04:37,173
Speaker 18: looking more positive leading up to the World Cup because

1248
01:04:37,213 --> 01:04:41,893
Speaker 18: all these other international teams are peaking right now, and

1249
01:04:41,933 --> 01:04:44,413
Speaker 18: now Dave Brannie's got this new Paul of players that

1250
01:04:44,493 --> 01:04:46,973
Speaker 18: he's going to have to bring together and build his culture.

1251
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,813
Speaker 18: So maybe it's kind of, in hindsight, the perfect time

1252
01:04:50,893 --> 01:04:52,253
Speaker 18: from a new coach.

1253
01:04:52,493 --> 01:04:55,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, a couple of seasons before the World Cup.

1254
01:04:55,933 --> 01:04:57,173
Speaker 3: That's that's that's a good thing.

1255
01:04:57,253 --> 01:04:59,933
Speaker 4: You sound sensible, Ben, But we're always like that with

1256
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:02,173
Speaker 4: a new coach. It starts off with mung beans and

1257
01:05:02,213 --> 01:05:05,213
Speaker 4: komboy are but give it two games, two games, and

1258
01:05:05,253 --> 01:05:06,293
Speaker 4: then we'll be out for blood.

1259
01:05:06,453 --> 01:05:11,493
Speaker 3: Let's collectively agree as a nation to chill out and

1260
01:05:11,613 --> 01:05:15,253
Speaker 3: be supportive. I'm down for that, whilst encouraging Dave Rennie

1261
01:05:15,293 --> 01:05:19,733
Speaker 3: to rip the team a new one and go full

1262
01:05:19,733 --> 01:05:22,213
Speaker 3: old school on them. Yep, you know, bring back the

1263
01:05:22,213 --> 01:05:26,013
Speaker 3: old ways. Well we that's what we need. Coach needs

1264
01:05:26,013 --> 01:05:30,293
Speaker 3: to be more harsh. The media and the population needs

1265
01:05:30,293 --> 01:05:32,133
Speaker 3: to be gentle with the coach.

1266
01:05:32,213 --> 01:05:34,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can get behind that. Oh one hundred and

1267
01:05:34,333 --> 01:05:36,133
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We will

1268
01:05:36,173 --> 01:05:38,733
Speaker 4: be back very shortly. It is eight minutes to three.

1269
01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:42,333
Speaker 3: All the kids are bouncing basketball Now, lads, that's just

1270
01:05:42,373 --> 01:05:43,333
Speaker 3: the facts.

1271
01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:46,733
Speaker 2: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1272
01:05:46,773 --> 01:05:51,533
Speaker 2: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks'd.

1273
01:05:50,933 --> 01:05:52,453
Speaker 4: Be five to three.

1274
01:05:52,933 --> 01:05:55,853
Speaker 1: Are you ready to crack the Skoda code?

1275
01:05:56,093 --> 01:05:57,853
Speaker 4: Here we owe the team at scot I want to

1276
01:05:57,893 --> 01:06:00,253
Speaker 4: send you and a friend to experience the Tour de

1277
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:03,093
Speaker 4: Frances when you play Scoter codes. So if you need

1278
01:06:03,133 --> 01:06:05,693
Speaker 4: a little bit of help cracking today's sco to code,

1279
01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:08,013
Speaker 4: we are here to help with a clue.

1280
01:06:09,373 --> 01:06:10,613
Speaker 1: And here is that clue.

1281
01:06:11,053 --> 01:06:16,493
Speaker 3: Big cars love me backs, don't their clue? Again, Big

1282
01:06:16,533 --> 01:06:18,453
Speaker 3: cars love me backs.

1283
01:06:18,133 --> 01:06:21,573
Speaker 4: Don't interesting? Make sure you were in to win the

1284
01:06:21,653 --> 01:06:23,973
Speaker 4: trip for two to the Tour de Fronts. Just go

1285
01:06:24,053 --> 01:06:27,893
Speaker 4: to Skota dot co dot Nz. It's a fantastic prize

1286
01:06:27,933 --> 01:06:31,093
Speaker 4: to make sure you're in the drawer. There's a hell

1287
01:06:31,133 --> 01:06:31,613
Speaker 4: of a clue.

1288
01:06:32,053 --> 01:06:37,013
Speaker 3: How about this text great news re coaching decision. Let's

1289
01:06:37,013 --> 01:06:39,773
Speaker 3: all get behind Dave Rennie. Let's talk them up and

1290
01:06:39,813 --> 01:06:42,013
Speaker 3: be positive. Let's give them one hundred percent of the

1291
01:06:42,053 --> 01:06:46,333
Speaker 3: good old Kiwi spirit backing. Here's little time and he's

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Speaker 3: taken on a big challenge. The All Blacks have the players.

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Speaker 3: We need to win. Bring it on. Best of luck

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Speaker 3: to Dave, Rennie and the mighty All Blacks. Smiley face Sam,

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01:06:55,013 --> 01:06:55,533
Speaker 3: how about that?

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Speaker 4: I love you, Love that. That's fizzed me up. Actually,

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01:06:57,533 --> 01:06:59,213
Speaker 4: we've got to be more positive. How about that for

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01:06:59,253 --> 01:07:01,093
Speaker 4: a text. I'm going to give myself an upper cut

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Speaker 4: and be more positive. World done.

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Speaker 3: One of the good old Kiwi spirit backing for Dave Rennie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go for it, Dave, give it heaps, give him

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Speaker 4: a taste of kiw. What a great discussion, Dave Annie

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01:07:12,013 --> 01:07:14,293
Speaker 4: Hell I really enjoyed that, and there'll be more to

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Speaker 4: come with Heather. But coming up after three o'clock? Does

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Speaker 4: getting up at five am make you more successful?

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Speaker 2: The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 2: everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon

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Speaker 2: Squid Shodder News Talk said, be very good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back into the program at seven past three, which

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Speaker 4: means it is time for the lifestyle, our hard news.

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Speaker 4: We'll be back with Heather at four pm. But looking

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Speaker 4: forward to the discussion we're going to have very shortly

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Speaker 4: and just a reminder, Gareth Abdenagh employment law expert, will

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Speaker 4: be back with us for the first time in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so free employment Legal Advice on eight hundred and

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Speaker 19: eighty ten eighty nine two nine two is the text

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Speaker 19: number getting early if you have a problem with your

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01:08:06,973 --> 01:08:07,933
Speaker 19: employment at your.

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Speaker 4: Workplace, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: He is a very smart man.

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Speaker 4: He certainly is always got an answer for you and

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Speaker 4: very popular. So pays to get in right now. Andrew

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Speaker 4: is standing by and if you honest in that text

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01:08:18,973 --> 01:08:21,213
Speaker 4: nine two nine two, But right now, let's have a

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Speaker 4: chat about getting up early. As in five a m.

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Speaker 4: A piece in The Herald by biology professor Christoph Randler,

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01:08:28,492 --> 01:08:30,812
Speaker 4: he argues that this popular idea of waking up at

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Speaker 4: five am it makes you successful is a bit of

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01:08:32,933 --> 01:08:35,612
Speaker 4: a myth, driven more by social media and the routines

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Speaker 4: of high profile figures than by science. He reckons it's

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01:08:39,973 --> 01:08:44,213
Speaker 4: more people's individual chronotypes that make the big difference, as in,

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Speaker 4: you're either a morning person or you're a night person.

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Speaker 4: Makes all the difference when you're deciding that do I

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Speaker 4: want to be someone who wakes up at five am?

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Speaker 4: Because it's all the rage at the moment on social media.

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Speaker 3: It's weak if you ask me to sleep in past

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Speaker 3: six thirty am, and my partner Tracy agrees. We in

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Speaker 3: the weekend decided to sleep in and we slept until

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Speaker 3: six thirty five.

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Speaker 4: How do you hear you? And both of us felt lazy.

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Speaker 4: You lazy, lazy bugger.

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Speaker 3: Nothing discussed me more than people just rolling around and

1344
01:09:14,532 --> 01:09:16,772
Speaker 3: were actually rolling around. A Bed's fine, and that might

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01:09:16,772 --> 01:09:18,852
Speaker 3: be a reason to stay in bed, but need maybe

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Speaker 3: people it's not the only reason why we do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's not concentrate on that. But I think it's lazy sleeping.

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Speaker 3: And I hate the idea people going and never sleep.

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01:09:26,772 --> 01:09:29,372
Speaker 3: And if anyone's an adult and they're asleep at ten

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Speaker 3: ten am and they're not a shift worker, then you're

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01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:38,333
Speaker 3: weak and lazy. I'm up at five thirty am most mornings, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I go for a run at six.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know what you're week I don't know

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Speaker 4: what you people do. I'm up at around about seven

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Speaker 4: am if I'm feeling a little bit spicy. Seven thirty

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01:09:47,933 --> 01:09:49,612
Speaker 4: am that's a good time for me. And I say

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01:09:49,612 --> 01:09:51,212
Speaker 4: that because I had to get up to play squash

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01:09:51,253 --> 01:09:54,412
Speaker 4: with men new mate, and because it's a new matter,

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01:09:54,412 --> 01:09:55,772
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I'll meet at the squash cub at

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Speaker 4: five am, you're weirdo. But then I get home. Did

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Speaker 4: you say it like that? I should have, actually, I

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01:10:00,253 --> 01:10:01,892
Speaker 4: think I did to tell him and say, mate, there's

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01:10:01,933 --> 01:10:03,812
Speaker 4: nobody here. You're a creep, you're a weirder Yah, what

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01:10:03,812 --> 01:10:06,133
Speaker 4: do you do? Yeah? But then I get home at

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Speaker 4: about six o'clock and I'm just sitting there and say, okay,

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Speaker 4: so now what what do I do for the next

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01:10:10,652 --> 01:10:12,772
Speaker 4: four hours before we come in here and start to

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Speaker 4: work out the show. I start going through the news

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01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:16,812
Speaker 4: sites and doing all that sort of stuff, And then.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the greatest four hours of your life.

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Speaker 3: You live your life in those four hours, the most.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful fresh air in the world.

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Speaker 3: The place is alive with hope and optimism at the

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Speaker 3: start of the day before people start complaining about traffic and.

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Speaker 4: How hard things are. That's just a fantastic time of

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01:10:36,093 --> 01:10:36,412
Speaker 4: the day.

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Speaker 3: The longer you can spend in your life before you

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01:10:39,053 --> 01:10:41,492
Speaker 3: go to work, the better, if you ask me. And

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Speaker 3: getting out and getting some sun even if it's not sunny,

1380
01:10:44,133 --> 01:10:46,892
Speaker 3: but getting some natural light on you is so good

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01:10:47,013 --> 01:10:48,133
Speaker 3: for your mental health.

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Speaker 4: And I reckon the reason why I'm.

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01:10:49,572 --> 01:10:52,253
Speaker 3: Up so early is because on the farm when we

1384
01:10:52,253 --> 01:10:55,772
Speaker 3: were growing up, all the central heating was done by

1385
01:10:55,933 --> 01:10:59,532
Speaker 3: an aga, which you know, one of those ovens, and

1386
01:10:59,612 --> 01:11:02,612
Speaker 3: my dad had to stoke it every morning. So and

1387
01:11:02,732 --> 01:11:05,933
Speaker 3: my bedroom was close to that, close to the aga,

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01:11:06,053 --> 01:11:07,133
Speaker 3: so every morning it was.

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01:11:07,133 --> 01:11:10,532
Speaker 4: Like, you know, he did it on purpose to get

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01:11:10,532 --> 01:11:10,972
Speaker 4: you out of here.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know he did it because the house had

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01:11:14,853 --> 01:11:17,532
Speaker 3: to be heated before my sisters got up, because otherwise

1393
01:11:17,532 --> 01:11:22,133
Speaker 3: they'd never got up because it's not it wasn't I

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01:11:22,253 --> 01:11:27,253
Speaker 3: tell you why, South Facing Farm just outside of Dunedin.

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01:11:27,692 --> 01:11:29,932
Speaker 4: Not warm, No, not warm. You needed that auger.

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Speaker 3: And then I did eleven years of breakfast radio. So

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01:11:32,612 --> 01:11:34,812
Speaker 3: maybe I'm a slightly different person, but I love getting

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01:11:34,853 --> 01:11:36,532
Speaker 3: up in the morning. I think you were so much

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01:11:36,532 --> 01:11:38,612
Speaker 3: more productive at that time of the day. And we're

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Speaker 3: meant to get up with the sun. We're evolved to

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01:11:40,612 --> 01:11:42,772
Speaker 3: get up with the sun. That's because when you were

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01:11:42,772 --> 01:11:47,132
Speaker 3: sleeping outside when we were you know, before civilization where

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01:11:47,173 --> 01:11:51,452
Speaker 3: we evolved, you were lying around on rocks by the fire,

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Speaker 3: waiting to be eaten by a saber tooth tiger.

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01:11:53,732 --> 01:11:55,932
Speaker 4: You were up and about. I hear what you say.

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01:11:56,053 --> 01:11:58,372
Speaker 4: There's a lot of logic to it. But when I

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01:11:58,412 --> 01:12:00,892
Speaker 4: was sitting there at six am and thinking, I wonder

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01:12:00,893 --> 01:12:02,412
Speaker 4: if I should just text a few people to see

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Speaker 4: if we can do something, because I've got four hours.

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01:12:04,372 --> 01:12:07,213
Speaker 4: Everyone's asleep. Nobody was awake. I mean, you're awake. I

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01:12:07,253 --> 01:12:09,692
Speaker 4: could have texted you for a game squash, but everybody

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01:12:09,732 --> 01:12:11,293
Speaker 4: else was asleep. But what do you say, Oh, eight

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01:12:11,412 --> 01:12:15,333
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty? Are you an early riser? Are

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01:12:15,372 --> 01:12:17,492
Speaker 4: you behind the social media trend that if you get

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01:12:17,572 --> 01:12:20,133
Speaker 4: up at five am you win the morning, you win

1416
01:12:20,213 --> 01:12:22,372
Speaker 4: the day? Or are you more of a night our

1417
01:12:22,692 --> 01:12:23,333
Speaker 4: Are you.

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01:12:24,973 --> 01:12:25,213
Speaker 1: Week?

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01:12:26,213 --> 01:12:29,093
Speaker 3: Is sleeping in for the week and it's just a

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01:12:29,213 --> 01:12:32,892
Speaker 3: lack of self discipline, you know, hitting the snooze button

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01:12:32,933 --> 01:12:35,492
Speaker 3: again again. Do you like yourself? Do you feel good

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01:12:35,572 --> 01:12:38,053
Speaker 3: about yourself for sleeping in? I don't think so, And

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01:12:38,053 --> 01:12:41,133
Speaker 3: none of the text is so far do either. You'll

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01:12:41,133 --> 01:12:42,852
Speaker 3: get all the sleep you need when you're dead.

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01:12:43,732 --> 01:12:46,492
Speaker 4: Says this text. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:12:46,532 --> 01:12:48,293
Speaker 4: is the number to call. Nine two ninety two is

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01:12:48,293 --> 01:12:50,612
Speaker 4: the text. It's twelve plus three. The news talks it'd

1428
01:12:50,652 --> 01:12:53,452
Speaker 4: be very good afternoon, quarter past three. So we're talking

1429
01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:56,093
Speaker 4: about this idea of getting up at five am in

1430
01:12:56,213 --> 01:12:58,093
Speaker 4: the morning is a big social media trend that it

1431
01:12:58,093 --> 01:12:59,253
Speaker 4: makes you more successful.

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01:12:59,692 --> 01:13:02,293
Speaker 3: If you're still asleep at am, you should tazy yourself,

1433
01:13:02,372 --> 01:13:02,772
Speaker 3: says Ben.

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01:13:02,772 --> 01:13:04,973
Speaker 4: It's good start to the day. Yeah.

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01:13:05,133 --> 01:13:07,532
Speaker 3: Now this is a question for you Tyler and your

1436
01:13:07,572 --> 01:13:11,093
Speaker 3: story about get up at five am to pay play squash? Yep,

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01:13:11,333 --> 01:13:13,213
Speaker 3: how can Tyler get up at five am and go

1438
01:13:13,253 --> 01:13:16,093
Speaker 3: to squash and be home by six am? So all

1439
01:13:16,133 --> 01:13:19,412
Speaker 3: for a fifteen minute game? What a loser, says George.

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01:13:19,452 --> 01:13:22,372
Speaker 4: Thank you for your confidence. George, Well, say, here's the thing.

1441
01:13:22,412 --> 01:13:24,812
Speaker 4: We were both slightly injured. I buggered my ankle and

1442
01:13:24,853 --> 01:13:27,053
Speaker 4: he rang the night before saying he had stubbed his

1443
01:13:27,133 --> 01:13:29,253
Speaker 4: toe on piece of furniture. So we just said a

1444
01:13:29,293 --> 01:13:31,372
Speaker 4: we hit around. You know, it's just an intro, just

1445
01:13:31,412 --> 01:13:34,173
Speaker 4: an intro. And like you put the fear in me

1446
01:13:34,253 --> 01:13:36,053
Speaker 4: that it was some type of swingers club, so I

1447
01:13:36,093 --> 01:13:36,812
Speaker 4: had my guard up.

1448
01:13:37,093 --> 01:13:38,612
Speaker 3: You got to give a lot of squash clubs are

1449
01:13:38,652 --> 01:13:42,893
Speaker 3: actually just fronts for swingers. Up at four forty five am.

1450
01:13:43,812 --> 01:13:46,812
Speaker 3: I'm up at forty four forty five am. Get stronger, Matt.

1451
01:13:46,772 --> 01:13:48,532
Speaker 4: Say, this is where it goes. I mean when you

1452
01:13:48,612 --> 01:13:51,012
Speaker 4: draw the line. Get up at three thirty your what's.

1453
01:13:51,692 --> 01:13:53,812
Speaker 3: My partner gets up at five am every morning and

1454
01:13:53,812 --> 01:13:54,773
Speaker 3: goes to the gym.

1455
01:13:54,973 --> 01:13:56,812
Speaker 4: It's quite quite impressive. That is impressive.

1456
01:13:56,893 --> 01:13:59,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, maybe she doesn't want to hang out

1457
01:13:59,213 --> 01:14:03,052
Speaker 3: with me in the morning. Maybe should rather just lift

1458
01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:09,492
Speaker 3: in than watch me rise big. You obviously don't work

1459
01:14:09,492 --> 01:14:11,333
Speaker 3: hard enough. You think it's lazy to get up at

1460
01:14:11,412 --> 01:14:14,333
Speaker 3: six thirty am. You not, It is lazy to get

1461
01:14:14,372 --> 01:14:15,653
Speaker 3: up at six thirty am.

1462
01:14:16,492 --> 01:14:16,812
Speaker 4: It is.

1463
01:14:17,173 --> 01:14:19,492
Speaker 3: You're weak if you get up past six thirty am,

1464
01:14:19,572 --> 01:14:20,372
Speaker 3: you're a weak person.

1465
01:14:20,812 --> 01:14:22,812
Speaker 4: Text, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. What do

1466
01:14:22,853 --> 01:14:24,932
Speaker 4: you say if you're a sleeping sort of person?

1467
01:14:24,973 --> 01:14:27,893
Speaker 3: Why what successful person does not get up at the

1468
01:14:27,893 --> 01:14:30,213
Speaker 3: crack of dawn? This person says, what do you mean

1469
01:14:30,253 --> 01:14:32,172
Speaker 3: get up with the light? It's not light at five am.

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01:14:32,412 --> 01:14:34,093
Speaker 4: It's a good point. That is a very good point.

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01:14:34,133 --> 01:14:34,692
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

1472
01:14:34,812 --> 01:14:37,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you go, like at the moment in Auckland's

1473
01:14:38,133 --> 01:14:40,772
Speaker 3: I'll go for a run around then, and it starts

1474
01:14:40,772 --> 01:14:42,333
Speaker 3: to come up. By the time I finish my run,

1475
01:14:42,372 --> 01:14:44,093
Speaker 3: the sun is coming up, and it's an amazing it's

1476
01:14:44,093 --> 01:14:47,732
Speaker 3: almost a religious experience as the as the world wakes

1477
01:14:47,812 --> 01:14:51,932
Speaker 3: up and you're there to, you know, power through it.

1478
01:14:51,933 --> 01:14:54,213
Speaker 4: It's a lovely picture. But are the people around at

1479
01:14:54,213 --> 01:14:56,253
Speaker 4: that time? You know, are there are other people running

1480
01:14:56,333 --> 01:14:59,372
Speaker 4: and getting active? Just feels like a lonely situation.

1481
01:14:59,772 --> 01:15:01,892
Speaker 3: This six says I hate sleeping In two I get

1482
01:15:01,893 --> 01:15:05,812
Speaker 3: as angry as a lizard with its tail cut off. Wow, okay, I.

1483
01:15:05,772 --> 01:15:08,532
Speaker 4: Don't go to sleep, never been to sleep ever. That

1484
01:15:08,692 --> 01:15:12,252
Speaker 4: you're worst. That takes the case because.

1485
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:14,093
Speaker 3: Anyone out there that never sleeps without the use of,

1486
01:15:14,492 --> 01:15:17,213
Speaker 3: you know, some kind of drug, I respect that.

1487
01:15:17,492 --> 01:15:19,612
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so far. That takes the cake. O eight

1488
01:15:19,612 --> 01:15:23,293
Speaker 4: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1489
01:15:23,893 --> 01:15:25,892
Speaker 4: keen to hear from you. Do you reckon? This idea

1490
01:15:25,933 --> 01:15:28,093
Speaker 4: of getting up at five am makes you kick casts

1491
01:15:28,133 --> 01:15:29,612
Speaker 4: at life. Listen to this winner.

1492
01:15:29,933 --> 01:15:32,932
Speaker 3: Run or cycle at four point fifteen am, breakfast by

1493
01:15:33,013 --> 01:15:36,052
Speaker 3: five ten, on bus by five forty five to travel

1494
01:15:36,093 --> 01:15:38,612
Speaker 3: to Fanshill Street and work by six ten. Leave it

1495
01:15:38,893 --> 01:15:42,492
Speaker 3: one forty five pm for home, do shopping, chores around home,

1496
01:15:42,612 --> 01:15:46,692
Speaker 3: washing and dinner cooked for my wife. Then she gets

1497
01:15:46,732 --> 01:15:47,612
Speaker 3: home at five point thirty.

1498
01:15:47,973 --> 01:15:52,372
Speaker 4: And that is a that's impressive. That is a powerful

1499
01:15:52,412 --> 01:15:55,293
Speaker 4: New Zealander right there. That is dedication to a schedule. Yeah,

1500
01:15:55,492 --> 01:15:58,652
Speaker 4: four point forty five out running or cycling. What a legend.

1501
01:15:58,692 --> 01:15:59,892
Speaker 4: You're keep the best place rolling.

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01:16:00,013 --> 01:16:02,492
Speaker 3: What about when you go out running that early and

1503
01:16:02,532 --> 01:16:04,692
Speaker 3: then you run into people that have been out you

1504
01:16:04,812 --> 01:16:06,892
Speaker 3: see people that have been out drinking all night, and

1505
01:16:06,933 --> 01:16:11,572
Speaker 3: that it's like two different species when you and look,

1506
01:16:11,612 --> 01:16:13,932
Speaker 3: I've been in that periods of my life where I've

1507
01:16:13,933 --> 01:16:16,533
Speaker 3: been coming home from big nights out where the birds.

1508
01:16:16,213 --> 01:16:17,133
Speaker 4: Have been tweeting. Yep.

1509
01:16:17,133 --> 01:16:19,372
Speaker 3: But the difference between someone that's been out all night

1510
01:16:20,093 --> 01:16:25,572
Speaker 3: and indulging and someone that is up and running for

1511
01:16:25,612 --> 01:16:29,492
Speaker 3: fitness couldn't be doing different spiritually.

1512
01:16:29,612 --> 01:16:31,532
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite jarring. Yeah, but it sees a lot.

1513
01:16:31,612 --> 01:16:32,812
Speaker 4: Sees a lot about society.

1514
01:16:32,933 --> 01:16:36,612
Speaker 3: One thing that when we used to share a car

1515
01:16:36,692 --> 01:16:39,852
Speaker 3: park with the casino and I'd arraw for my breakfast

1516
01:16:39,853 --> 01:16:42,652
Speaker 3: show at five am and the b people coming down

1517
01:16:42,692 --> 01:16:44,372
Speaker 3: the left that have just lost a lot of money

1518
01:16:44,372 --> 01:16:47,532
Speaker 3: at the casino and you're you're all full of joy

1519
01:16:47,692 --> 01:16:52,492
Speaker 3: and starting the day face d. That's another two types

1520
01:16:52,492 --> 01:16:53,692
Speaker 3: of humans that are very different.

1521
01:16:53,772 --> 01:16:55,293
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten Eightyes is a number

1522
01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:55,572
Speaker 4: to cool.

1523
01:16:55,572 --> 01:16:59,213
Speaker 9: Get a grant, good, a matte, good, a chinla has things.

1524
01:16:59,093 --> 01:17:01,213
Speaker 4: Very good, mate, So what do you reckon five am?

1525
01:17:01,333 --> 01:17:03,652
Speaker 4: And you went in at life five am?

1526
01:17:03,732 --> 01:17:05,612
Speaker 9: Mate, and I'm already been up for probably an hour

1527
01:17:05,612 --> 01:17:07,692
Speaker 9: and a bit. It's normally around four forty and it's

1528
01:17:07,732 --> 01:17:11,052
Speaker 9: because and our place down here in Senchilotiga, we actually

1529
01:17:11,093 --> 01:17:14,732
Speaker 9: have five designer cats inside the house. And it's the

1530
01:17:14,772 --> 01:17:17,452
Speaker 9: ten point eight kg maine coon named Huet that tends

1531
01:17:17,492 --> 01:17:19,452
Speaker 9: to walk over your face at about four forty in

1532
01:17:19,532 --> 01:17:22,293
Speaker 9: the morning and then you would just keep having a

1533
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:24,293
Speaker 9: go at you and he's scraping your feet and he's

1534
01:17:24,333 --> 01:17:26,293
Speaker 9: chairping in your ear and all sorts of bloody stuff.

1535
01:17:26,452 --> 01:17:27,652
Speaker 9: So you just got to get up and then the

1536
01:17:27,652 --> 01:17:29,253
Speaker 9: other one will follow and then the other three will

1537
01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:31,333
Speaker 9: come in as well. So now a good time of

1538
01:17:31,372 --> 01:17:32,732
Speaker 9: the day and you see the sun come up on

1539
01:17:32,772 --> 01:17:36,213
Speaker 9: the surrounding mountains and then it's down. Settled down for

1540
01:17:36,372 --> 01:17:40,133
Speaker 9: a cup of red ribbon roast instant and feed them,

1541
01:17:40,492 --> 01:17:43,333
Speaker 9: get up, have a quick shower, clean the old little

1542
01:17:43,372 --> 01:17:45,173
Speaker 9: boxes out and then it's off to work. Where I

1543
01:17:45,213 --> 01:17:48,773
Speaker 9: worked at Wanaka Airport in the aviation safety space with placoppers.

1544
01:17:48,853 --> 01:17:51,093
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's a big day, but usually by about

1545
01:17:51,133 --> 01:17:53,093
Speaker 9: nine point thirty at night, you know she's all over

1546
01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:55,892
Speaker 9: For me, I start to wilt quite quickly. But the

1547
01:17:55,933 --> 01:17:58,972
Speaker 9: cats are the ones that tend to govern the household times.

1548
01:17:59,213 --> 01:18:02,412
Speaker 3: So you've got an organic alarm clock really pretty much

1549
01:18:02,532 --> 01:18:06,852
Speaker 3: cause yeah, big American one Maine coon. Wow, So how

1550
01:18:06,853 --> 01:18:10,333
Speaker 3: big is it? How big is that that walking alarm clock?

1551
01:18:11,213 --> 01:18:13,093
Speaker 9: Well, we've got two of them. So being in the

1552
01:18:13,093 --> 01:18:15,492
Speaker 9: helicopter space's name of course has to be here you

1553
01:18:15,532 --> 01:18:21,133
Speaker 9: after the Vietnam helicop he's ten point eight kgs. Speak

1554
01:18:21,133 --> 01:18:23,732
Speaker 9: of the polidactyl as well, so he's got extra digits

1555
01:18:23,732 --> 01:18:25,532
Speaker 9: on each foot. He's four by four all round, so

1556
01:18:25,572 --> 01:18:27,412
Speaker 9: you really do feel him. It's quite pronounced when he

1557
01:18:27,412 --> 01:18:28,092
Speaker 9: walks over.

1558
01:18:27,933 --> 01:18:29,532
Speaker 4: You big mits on the main coon.

1559
01:18:30,013 --> 01:18:32,172
Speaker 9: Big mits, and then the other one is slightly smaller,

1560
01:18:32,173 --> 01:18:35,173
Speaker 9: about eight kgs. Then we have a couple of we

1561
01:18:35,253 --> 01:18:37,572
Speaker 9: have a Scottish fold, a Highland fold in a Norwegian

1562
01:18:37,612 --> 01:18:39,492
Speaker 9: forest cat. So when they all get going, you know

1563
01:18:39,532 --> 01:18:42,892
Speaker 9: it's it's time to get into it and get their

1564
01:18:42,893 --> 01:18:44,452
Speaker 9: food all done and all that sort of stuff. But

1565
01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:46,732
Speaker 9: morning mornings, I mean it's part of the day for

1566
01:18:46,853 --> 01:18:47,772
Speaker 9: me diffinitely.

1567
01:18:47,853 --> 01:18:50,133
Speaker 3: The day goes off, the day hurdles from about two

1568
01:18:50,133 --> 01:18:50,892
Speaker 3: o'clock onwards.

1569
01:18:50,893 --> 01:18:51,452
Speaker 4: It's gone off.

1570
01:18:51,732 --> 01:18:55,492
Speaker 3: But Grant, I can tell that you are a high

1571
01:18:55,612 --> 01:18:58,812
Speaker 3: level carpe dim with class because you're not just having

1572
01:18:58,853 --> 01:19:01,173
Speaker 3: any old coffee. You've got the red ribbon roast nothing

1573
01:19:01,213 --> 01:19:01,732
Speaker 3: but the beat.

1574
01:19:03,692 --> 01:19:05,772
Speaker 9: Even smashes the Acona red ribbon.

1575
01:19:05,893 --> 01:19:06,293
Speaker 15: Where to go?

1576
01:19:06,532 --> 01:19:09,532
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing exactly. Red ribbon has far more. They don't

1577
01:19:09,532 --> 01:19:11,572
Speaker 4: give out the red more mere than Makona. They don't

1578
01:19:11,572 --> 01:19:13,173
Speaker 4: give out the red ribbon to everyone. Grin.

1579
01:19:13,333 --> 01:19:15,213
Speaker 9: Yeah, well the red ribbon gives you. And I mean

1580
01:19:15,452 --> 01:19:17,333
Speaker 9: you're still feeling it by about nine point thirty cous

1581
01:19:17,412 --> 01:19:18,092
Speaker 9: ten in the morning.

1582
01:19:18,492 --> 01:19:20,612
Speaker 4: Way cool. We can tell you, yeah, we can hear

1583
01:19:20,652 --> 01:19:22,612
Speaker 4: it now, grunt, you've been up for fifteen hours and

1584
01:19:22,612 --> 01:19:25,612
Speaker 4: you sound chip shipper than anything. I might have another one,

1585
01:19:25,652 --> 01:19:28,253
Speaker 4: Thank god on you, thank you very much.

1586
01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:31,532
Speaker 3: Just Texas says, you think sleeping is weak.

1587
01:19:31,572 --> 01:19:35,492
Speaker 4: I don't even blink, okay, right, yeah, that's the new winner.

1588
01:19:35,732 --> 01:19:36,692
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true.

1589
01:19:36,732 --> 01:19:38,772
Speaker 3: Actually, you know, so I think I'm a big man

1590
01:19:38,772 --> 01:19:42,133
Speaker 3: because I get up at you know, normally around five am.

1591
01:19:42,412 --> 01:19:44,812
Speaker 3: But I do blink, which is weak, and I am

1592
01:19:44,812 --> 01:19:46,732
Speaker 3: getting some sleep. So we've got the non sleepers and

1593
01:19:46,772 --> 01:19:48,013
Speaker 3: now the blinkers.

1594
01:19:47,812 --> 01:19:50,093
Speaker 4: Lazy from you met. Yeah, yeah, you can arms race,

1595
01:19:50,173 --> 01:19:52,652
Speaker 4: isn't it. It certainly is. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

1596
01:19:52,732 --> 01:19:56,053
Speaker 4: eighty is the number of callers sleeping and lazy? And

1597
01:19:56,293 --> 01:19:58,333
Speaker 4: are you one of these five am wins the day

1598
01:19:58,412 --> 01:20:00,733
Speaker 4: sort of people keen to get your story.

1599
01:20:00,572 --> 01:20:02,572
Speaker 3: Come and do some shift work and be up all night.

1600
01:20:02,612 --> 01:20:05,293
Speaker 3: That will soon sort out the trendsetters. Michael, Yeah, well

1601
01:20:05,293 --> 01:20:07,012
Speaker 3: I'm shift workers. I've done quite a bit of shift

1602
01:20:07,013 --> 01:20:09,293
Speaker 3: work in my life. And that's another example of when

1603
01:20:09,853 --> 01:20:12,652
Speaker 3: you run into people at a different mindset to yours.

1604
01:20:12,853 --> 01:20:14,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, strange people.

1605
01:20:14,333 --> 01:20:16,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if they're you know, your flatmates or family

1606
01:20:17,013 --> 01:20:18,572
Speaker 3: and you come home and they're getting up.

1607
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:21,452
Speaker 4: It's a hard life. Yeah, you're you're you're like different,

1608
01:20:21,572 --> 01:20:25,013
Speaker 4: different species. Twenty two past three, Back very shortly.

1609
01:20:28,612 --> 01:20:32,053
Speaker 2: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1610
01:20:32,053 --> 01:20:33,772
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty on News Talk.

1611
01:20:33,652 --> 01:20:35,253
Speaker 4: ZB twenty five past three.

1612
01:20:35,412 --> 01:20:37,133
Speaker 3: We've played this on the show before, but I think

1613
01:20:37,253 --> 01:20:40,293
Speaker 3: it's reputting it to this chat right now. And this

1614
01:20:40,333 --> 01:20:43,213
Speaker 3: is from American comedian Nick Bagetsky on getting up early

1615
01:20:43,213 --> 01:20:43,612
Speaker 3: in the morning.

1616
01:20:43,732 --> 01:20:46,372
Speaker 20: When you get up at five forty five am, noon

1617
01:20:46,572 --> 01:20:54,333
Speaker 20: is pretty far away. I mean, you will bet your

1618
01:20:54,372 --> 01:21:06,572
Speaker 20: life it's noon and it's maybe eight thirty.

1619
01:21:03,093 --> 01:21:09,093
Speaker 11: Most six pm. It's like, how are people out? Why

1620
01:21:09,053 --> 01:21:20,012
Speaker 11: I'm on the sun go down? That's the next phase

1621
01:21:20,013 --> 01:21:20,412
Speaker 11: of my life.

1622
01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:23,572
Speaker 20: I'm getting up early. You know we're starting we looking

1623
01:21:23,692 --> 01:21:27,492
Speaker 20: up nine fifteen a little bit. Yeah, you know, I've

1624
01:21:27,492 --> 01:21:29,532
Speaker 20: never seen my daughter go to school, but I've been close.

1625
01:21:31,532 --> 01:21:33,772
Speaker 4: I love that guy. Yeah, very good, that's true. Your

1626
01:21:33,853 --> 01:21:36,493
Speaker 4: day is long, very long. Yeah.

1627
01:21:36,532 --> 01:21:38,572
Speaker 3: But someone is saying, I bet you go to sleep

1628
01:21:38,652 --> 01:21:41,093
Speaker 3: at a woo see eight eight pm or something?

1629
01:21:41,173 --> 01:21:42,732
Speaker 4: Nah, ten ten pm?

1630
01:21:42,772 --> 01:21:43,652
Speaker 3: For me ten pm.

1631
01:21:43,732 --> 01:21:45,692
Speaker 4: It's a solid seven hours or you need seven hours.

1632
01:21:45,732 --> 01:21:48,572
Speaker 3: Anything more than seven hours is greedy, wasteful. You're going

1633
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:50,452
Speaker 3: to sleep your life away. You want to experience life,

1634
01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:53,173
Speaker 3: sleep good, you want to be in dreaming? Or do

1635
01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:57,372
Speaker 3: you want to be living any more than seven hours?

1636
01:21:57,253 --> 01:22:01,053
Speaker 4: As slothsful? It's lazy to sleep too much, lazy to

1637
01:22:01,053 --> 01:22:03,013
Speaker 4: get up too early. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

1638
01:22:03,013 --> 01:22:03,293
Speaker 4: to eighty.

1639
01:22:03,372 --> 01:22:05,812
Speaker 3: All you high achievers with your going to the gym

1640
01:22:05,853 --> 01:22:09,293
Speaker 3: and ice baths early, you'll get injuries and you'll over

1641
01:22:09,333 --> 01:22:09,572
Speaker 3: do it.

1642
01:22:09,893 --> 01:22:12,852
Speaker 4: OK, but you can get injuries. People that don't go

1643
01:22:12,853 --> 01:22:16,053
Speaker 4: to the gym, will have also get into a very

1644
01:22:16,053 --> 01:22:18,732
Speaker 4: injury prone Kevin, how are you.

1645
01:22:19,333 --> 01:22:22,013
Speaker 5: Get a guys, which one of yours is from the

1646
01:22:22,053 --> 01:22:23,093
Speaker 5: South Island.

1647
01:22:23,013 --> 01:22:23,532
Speaker 4: Both of us.

1648
01:22:23,933 --> 01:22:28,213
Speaker 3: I'm from Dunedin and Tyler is from Nelson or christ

1649
01:22:28,333 --> 01:22:29,293
Speaker 3: it's Nie Nelson.

1650
01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:34,213
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm from Dunedin too, But anyway, early rises. I

1651
01:22:34,253 --> 01:22:37,173
Speaker 5: get up at one o'clock every morning, have done so

1652
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:39,972
Speaker 5: for the last nine months. Go to work at one

1653
01:22:40,093 --> 01:22:45,892
Speaker 5: thirty and home by one thirty. And if you think

1654
01:22:46,293 --> 01:22:49,652
Speaker 5: getting up early is a stressful thing, try doing that

1655
01:22:50,093 --> 01:22:52,293
Speaker 5: for about nine months in a straight line.

1656
01:22:52,572 --> 01:22:55,612
Speaker 4: So is that your your job? New job? Shift work?

1657
01:22:56,253 --> 01:22:58,532
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my job. I don't do shift work. It's

1658
01:22:58,572 --> 01:23:01,213
Speaker 5: set time in which I've set for myself. Oh okay,

1659
01:23:01,293 --> 01:23:03,852
Speaker 5: buck driver and I gave it to carf here and

1660
01:23:03,893 --> 01:23:07,612
Speaker 5: come back to Tokarawa. But I'm first trucking over at

1661
01:23:07,652 --> 01:23:11,892
Speaker 5: carf here, so I've got to be there at five am, right, Yeah?

1662
01:23:12,452 --> 01:23:14,973
Speaker 3: And how does that effect your life? I mean, if

1663
01:23:14,973 --> 01:23:18,532
Speaker 3: you're one thirty to one thirty, what's the other twelve hours?

1664
01:23:18,612 --> 01:23:21,772
Speaker 5: Like? Well, the other twelve hours is four hours at

1665
01:23:21,772 --> 01:23:25,732
Speaker 5: home made the lawns, et cetera. My lovely lady cooks

1666
01:23:25,772 --> 01:23:28,892
Speaker 5: my tea and it's off to be by or six

1667
01:23:29,053 --> 01:23:33,692
Speaker 5: thirty and up at halb Us one o'clock again. So

1668
01:23:34,013 --> 01:23:36,892
Speaker 5: it's pretty easy life. But these guys are missing out

1669
01:23:37,013 --> 01:23:39,812
Speaker 5: the best part because you're when you're out over in

1670
01:23:39,893 --> 01:23:41,852
Speaker 5: Carfe here at that time in the morning, so it's

1671
01:23:41,893 --> 01:23:44,572
Speaker 5: sort of like about four three point thirty fourish in

1672
01:23:44,612 --> 01:23:48,053
Speaker 5: the morning. You're missing all the all the meteorites and

1673
01:23:48,093 --> 01:23:50,973
Speaker 5: everything that go through the you know, the sky and

1674
01:23:51,133 --> 01:23:53,772
Speaker 5: so forth, and it's it's real dark over there, so

1675
01:23:53,933 --> 01:23:58,213
Speaker 5: that there's no light from any street lamps or anything

1676
01:23:58,532 --> 01:24:01,293
Speaker 5: that affected for it. And you can see the old

1677
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:04,732
Speaker 5: iss flatting around up there. You pick up a rock

1678
01:24:04,772 --> 01:24:06,012
Speaker 5: and you know, knock them down.

1679
01:24:06,412 --> 01:24:09,173
Speaker 3: When you're in areas of no light pollution. It's amazing.

1680
01:24:09,372 --> 01:24:11,932
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's mind blowing. We miss out on

1681
01:24:12,053 --> 01:24:13,532
Speaker 3: so much by living in cities.

1682
01:24:14,013 --> 01:24:16,772
Speaker 5: And I know, yes, yes, even you know you come

1683
01:24:16,812 --> 01:24:18,532
Speaker 5: from Duneed and you go out in the middle March

1684
01:24:18,572 --> 01:24:22,173
Speaker 5: and it's so dark out there with you look up

1685
01:24:22,213 --> 01:24:25,412
Speaker 5: the skies in the middle of the night and yeah, brilliant.

1686
01:24:25,853 --> 01:24:28,772
Speaker 5: But that's the best thing I see in the morning

1687
01:24:28,853 --> 01:24:32,692
Speaker 5: when i'm heading back to my destination. Is I see

1688
01:24:32,732 --> 01:24:36,492
Speaker 5: the moon setting this morning and the sun rising. I'm

1689
01:24:36,652 --> 01:24:39,652
Speaker 5: on the east and the west coast. It's bloody brilliant.

1690
01:24:39,692 --> 01:24:41,973
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool, Kevin. Well, we better let you get

1691
01:24:42,013 --> 01:24:44,173
Speaker 4: to bed. Yeah, you sound a bit tired, to be honest, Kevin.

1692
01:24:44,612 --> 01:24:48,253
Speaker 4: But good on you. Yeah. A couple of texts coming

1693
01:24:48,293 --> 01:24:51,732
Speaker 4: through nine to nine to two. This one My neighbor

1694
01:24:51,933 --> 01:24:54,732
Speaker 4: is up at sunset, makes lots of noise using the

1695
01:24:54,732 --> 01:24:58,532
Speaker 4: water blast grind a chains the generator. They are midnight cowboys.

1696
01:24:58,572 --> 01:25:00,492
Speaker 4: They're not seen after the crack of dawn.

1697
01:25:00,893 --> 01:25:02,852
Speaker 3: That's an interesting question because I get up so early.

1698
01:25:02,853 --> 01:25:06,973
Speaker 3: I'll often like ring someone and then and then I

1699
01:25:06,973 --> 01:25:09,333
Speaker 3: realized at seven thirty am and the they're still drunk

1700
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:11,333
Speaker 3: from the night before or something. You know, you've got

1701
01:25:11,333 --> 01:25:14,052
Speaker 3: to you've got to calibrate yourself. I mean, just because

1702
01:25:14,053 --> 01:25:15,612
Speaker 3: you're going hard and you're a better person because you

1703
01:25:15,652 --> 01:25:16,653
Speaker 3: get up earlier.

1704
01:25:16,652 --> 01:25:17,372
Speaker 4: Least of a woss.

1705
01:25:17,452 --> 01:25:20,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've still got to be respectful for other people exactly.

1706
01:25:20,173 --> 01:25:22,652
Speaker 3: So I find myself going out to do like major

1707
01:25:22,772 --> 01:25:25,692
Speaker 3: earthworks on my house, you know, before the sun comes up,

1708
01:25:25,973 --> 01:25:27,412
Speaker 3: and you've got you've got to stop.

1709
01:25:27,173 --> 01:25:28,173
Speaker 4: You got to think about the name. You got to

1710
01:25:28,173 --> 01:25:29,812
Speaker 4: think about it. You've got to think about the weak

1711
01:25:29,812 --> 01:25:31,692
Speaker 4: people that need to sleep. But the angle grind are

1712
01:25:31,692 --> 01:25:35,372
Speaker 4: away one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number two.

1713
01:25:35,572 --> 01:25:35,812
Speaker 1: Cool.

1714
01:25:37,013 --> 01:25:42,173
Speaker 3: Someone says, I've done the math on that caller. He's

1715
01:25:42,173 --> 01:25:43,372
Speaker 3: not having a shower before work.

1716
01:25:44,492 --> 01:25:50,012
Speaker 4: Yeah, great, tigs. Let's take William very very quickly. William

1717
01:25:50,053 --> 01:25:51,612
Speaker 4: got about sixty seconds. How you're doing?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I go O see great subject, good fun. I'm

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01:25:55,652 --> 01:25:58,892
Speaker 21: sixty seven. I get up at six thirty. I still

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01:25:58,933 --> 01:26:02,572
Speaker 21: run my own company and my YouTube channel. It's just

1721
01:26:02,893 --> 01:26:04,812
Speaker 21: good to do the work early in the morning while

1722
01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:08,612
Speaker 21: while you're feeling fit and fresh and energetic, so more

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01:26:08,652 --> 01:26:09,772
Speaker 21: productive early morning.

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Speaker 4: What's your YouTube channel? K we van man key we

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Speaker 4: van man oh, k we van man Oh. We've spoken

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01:26:17,532 --> 01:26:18,652
Speaker 4: to you before, I think, have we?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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01:26:20,333 --> 01:26:21,492
Speaker 21: You've got a good man.

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01:26:22,173 --> 01:26:25,293
Speaker 4: That's right. So you convert vans into camp events, is

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01:26:25,293 --> 01:26:25,612
Speaker 4: that right?

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01:26:26,133 --> 01:26:26,492
Speaker 15: Yes?

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01:26:26,692 --> 01:26:29,452
Speaker 21: Yes, yeah, yeah, I just I just love it getting

1733
01:26:29,532 --> 01:26:31,772
Speaker 21: up early and getting everything done. Then by two o'clock

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01:26:31,812 --> 01:26:33,293
Speaker 21: I can lie in the bed and have a sleep,

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01:26:33,372 --> 01:26:36,532
Speaker 21: you know, and sleep. That's great being old guys, it

1736
01:26:36,612 --> 01:26:37,133
Speaker 21: really is.

1737
01:26:37,933 --> 01:26:40,652
Speaker 3: That's coming fast it's coming for all of us, actually

1738
01:26:40,772 --> 01:26:41,213
Speaker 3: not all of us.

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01:26:41,293 --> 01:26:41,692
Speaker 4: We're lucky.

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Speaker 9: You're lucky.

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01:26:42,772 --> 01:26:45,213
Speaker 21: You're lucky to get when you get old happy when

1742
01:26:45,253 --> 01:26:47,253
Speaker 21: you get old. You know you can you can go

1743
01:26:47,293 --> 01:26:49,572
Speaker 21: out dating. You don't have to worry about meeting the parents.

1744
01:26:51,572 --> 01:26:54,053
Speaker 4: You're making it sound good, William. Yep, I'm looking forward

1745
01:26:54,093 --> 01:26:58,492
Speaker 4: to us right. Thank you to everybody who takes and

1746
01:26:58,572 --> 01:27:01,492
Speaker 4: called on that. There was a great discussion, and it

1747
01:27:01,532 --> 01:27:03,773
Speaker 4: turns out, judging by the ticks, there is a lot

1748
01:27:03,812 --> 01:27:05,612
Speaker 4: of people who push through.

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01:27:05,452 --> 01:27:08,333
Speaker 3: This, probably a hundreds of texts. There's only one person

1750
01:27:08,452 --> 01:27:10,732
Speaker 3: and sticking up for the week. People that you titler

1751
01:27:10,772 --> 01:27:12,892
Speaker 3: that sleep in, Yeah, I think that a good way

1752
01:27:12,893 --> 01:27:17,253
Speaker 3: to spend your life is either unconscious or lying in

1753
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:20,133
Speaker 3: bed doom, scrolling through Instagram, whatever you do before you

1754
01:27:20,213 --> 01:27:20,572
Speaker 3: get up.

1755
01:27:20,532 --> 01:27:22,732
Speaker 4: You're working too hard. Just sleep. Sleep a wonderful thing.

1756
01:27:22,812 --> 01:27:24,572
Speaker 3: But don't be weak. Don't go to bed early. If

1757
01:27:24,612 --> 01:27:26,173
Speaker 3: you're getting out at five am, you've still got to

1758
01:27:26,173 --> 01:27:27,572
Speaker 3: stay up to ten ten pm.

1759
01:27:27,933 --> 01:27:30,013
Speaker 4: Oh way. If I'm getting up at five am, I'm

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01:27:30,053 --> 01:27:32,612
Speaker 4: in bed. I'm not ned Flanders. I'm in bed before

1761
01:27:32,652 --> 01:27:33,372
Speaker 4: the sun goes down.

1762
01:27:33,412 --> 01:27:34,972
Speaker 3: Now, you want to experience as much of your life

1763
01:27:35,013 --> 01:27:35,452
Speaker 3: as you can.

1764
01:27:36,253 --> 01:27:38,452
Speaker 4: Thank you to everyone who called and text on there

1765
01:27:38,572 --> 01:27:42,133
Speaker 4: coming up after the headlines. Gareth Abdenor is back with

1766
01:27:42,213 --> 01:27:44,452
Speaker 4: us for the first time in twenty twenty six. He's

1767
01:27:44,532 --> 01:27:48,612
Speaker 4: an employment, workplace and information expert and lawyer. He is

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01:27:48,692 --> 01:27:50,652
Speaker 4: taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

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01:27:50,772 --> 01:27:52,932
Speaker 4: eighty any sort of issue you've got on the workplace.

1770
01:27:52,973 --> 01:27:54,812
Speaker 4: If you're the boss you've got a problem with your workers,

1771
01:27:55,013 --> 01:27:58,012
Speaker 4: he is the man to chat to. He's brilliant and

1772
01:27:58,253 --> 01:28:00,933
Speaker 4: this is advice free of charge, so make sure you

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01:28:01,013 --> 01:28:02,253
Speaker 4: get in if you want to send a text nine

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01:28:02,293 --> 01:28:04,372
Speaker 4: to two nine too. Is that number? It is twenty

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Speaker 4: eight to four.

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01:28:06,412 --> 01:28:08,492
Speaker 1: Used talk said Bee headlines with.

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Speaker 12: Your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download your

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Speaker 12: Ride today. The Meat Industry Association says red meat exporters

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Speaker 12: with cargoes traversing the Middle East are having difficulties, with

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01:28:21,333 --> 01:28:24,972
Speaker 12: most golf ports closed and missiles flying. As the US

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Speaker 12: and Israel wage wore on Iran and Lebanon, the Strait

1782
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Speaker 12: of Hall Moves is blocked to maritime traffic and airports

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01:28:31,893 --> 01:28:36,133
Speaker 12: closed across the Middle East. Minister Louise Upston won't rule

1784
01:28:36,173 --> 01:28:39,972
Speaker 12: out closing down Gloria vale And says agencies are closely

1785
01:28:40,053 --> 01:28:43,493
Speaker 12: monitoring child safety in the remote West Coast Christian community.

1786
01:28:44,412 --> 01:28:48,012
Speaker 12: Todong A City Councils extended its transition to recovery period

1787
01:28:48,333 --> 01:28:53,173
Speaker 12: from January storm at Fatal Landslides until April. First risk

1788
01:28:53,213 --> 01:28:57,852
Speaker 12: assessments continue. A plan outlining Todonga's path forward will be

1789
01:28:57,893 --> 01:29:01,572
Speaker 12: released in the next week. Newly anointed All Blacks head

1790
01:29:01,652 --> 01:29:04,932
Speaker 12: coach Dave Rennie says he's a better coach now than

1791
01:29:04,973 --> 01:29:07,812
Speaker 12: when he left New Zealand nine years ago and he's

1792
01:29:07,853 --> 01:29:12,892
Speaker 12: clear on the high profile jobs, expectations and responsibilities. All

1793
01:29:12,933 --> 01:29:17,652
Speaker 12: Blacks watch new number tens shine in brutal Super Rugby

1794
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Speaker 12: third round. You can see the full colomty And said

1795
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Speaker 12: here all premium back to Matteth and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. Gareth Abdenall is an employment,

1797
01:29:26,692 --> 01:29:30,413
Speaker 4: workplace and information expert. He's also the director of Abdenor

1798
01:29:30,572 --> 01:29:33,692
Speaker 4: Employment Law. He joins us once a month to answer

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01:29:33,692 --> 01:29:36,172
Speaker 4: your questions and it is a great pleasure to welcome

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01:29:36,213 --> 01:29:39,532
Speaker 4: back Gareth Abdenall for the first time in twenty twenty six. Gareth,

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01:29:39,572 --> 01:29:40,372
Speaker 4: how way are you mate?

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01:29:40,732 --> 01:29:41,213
Speaker 15: I'm good.

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01:29:41,253 --> 01:29:42,692
Speaker 22: I'm good. How are you guys?

1804
01:29:42,772 --> 01:29:45,133
Speaker 4: Very good? How's life in christ Church? But Chilli are here?

1805
01:29:45,973 --> 01:29:51,372
Speaker 22: Actually today it's like summer's back. There's beautiful blue skies, sunshine,

1806
01:29:52,253 --> 01:29:53,452
Speaker 22: very different from yesterday.

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01:29:53,652 --> 01:29:55,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, how good. Nice to have you back mate. So

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01:29:55,933 --> 01:29:58,572
Speaker 4: let's before we crack into some of the questions coming

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01:29:58,612 --> 01:30:00,173
Speaker 4: through on texts and your cause as well. In O

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01:30:00,213 --> 01:30:03,492
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty, have a less of

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01:30:03,492 --> 01:30:05,452
Speaker 4: a chat about the trends that you are seeing coming

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01:30:05,492 --> 01:30:07,692
Speaker 4: through in your client work so far this here.

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01:30:08,853 --> 01:30:12,572
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's been a busy old year already, lots of

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01:30:13,133 --> 01:30:18,772
Speaker 22: lots of bullying claims, so workplace investigations looking into those

1815
01:30:18,812 --> 01:30:22,572
Speaker 22: sort of things, and still seeing a lot of restructures.

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01:30:22,612 --> 01:30:27,372
Speaker 22: I think Trump and as tariffs has really put a

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01:30:27,412 --> 01:30:30,333
Speaker 22: cat amongst the pigeons, especially for a lot of Kiwi

1818
01:30:30,372 --> 01:30:35,732
Speaker 22: businesses that export, and so I think companies are quite

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01:30:35,732 --> 01:30:38,253
Speaker 22: conscious of the fact that they they don't want to

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01:30:38,253 --> 01:30:42,333
Speaker 22: be over resourced because who knows what's going to happen next.

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01:30:42,812 --> 01:30:45,452
Speaker 4: Interesting about the bullying complaints, have you had any theories

1822
01:30:45,452 --> 01:30:48,812
Speaker 4: about why that seems to be particularly hot at the moment.

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01:30:49,492 --> 01:30:51,973
Speaker 22: Yeah, it seems to kind of come in waves, but

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01:30:52,933 --> 01:30:57,612
Speaker 22: there's there's definitely a peak at the moment. Maybe I'm

1825
01:30:57,612 --> 01:31:00,892
Speaker 22: getting a bit old and cynical, but it's amazing how

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01:31:00,973 --> 01:31:06,053
Speaker 22: often someone gets called to task for poor performance and

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01:31:06,333 --> 01:31:09,333
Speaker 22: almost immediately afterwards there's a complaints of bullying.

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01:31:09,372 --> 01:31:11,612
Speaker 4: It's an easy out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

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01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:14,892
Speaker 3: The six says I told my employer that I was

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01:31:14,933 --> 01:31:17,293
Speaker 3: going to start looking for another job. I did not resign.

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01:31:17,372 --> 01:31:19,333
Speaker 3: I was only giving them a heads up out of

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01:31:19,372 --> 01:31:23,092
Speaker 3: courtesy because it's difficult to fill the role. They responded

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01:31:23,093 --> 01:31:25,213
Speaker 3: by giving me a letter saying my end date will

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01:31:25,213 --> 01:31:28,572
Speaker 3: be the thirtieth of June, as they need continuity until

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01:31:28,812 --> 01:31:32,532
Speaker 3: they backfill my position. Is this the termination ending on

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01:31:32,572 --> 01:31:33,572
Speaker 3: their terms, not mine?

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01:31:33,933 --> 01:31:37,372
Speaker 22: Yeah, it certainly sounds like it. I think that employers

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01:31:37,412 --> 01:31:42,092
Speaker 22: most probably walked into a minefield there. That doesn't sound

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01:31:42,213 --> 01:31:46,052
Speaker 22: like a reasonable approach to take. Of course, I often

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01:31:46,053 --> 01:31:50,333
Speaker 22: see people tell their employers, oh, I'm looking for a

1841
01:31:50,372 --> 01:31:52,253
Speaker 22: new job, I'm going to leave, and I just go,

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01:31:52,572 --> 01:31:56,933
Speaker 22: why would you do that? It just it's even with

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01:31:56,973 --> 01:32:00,133
Speaker 22: the best intentions, it hardly ever ends well.

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01:32:00,532 --> 01:32:03,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's no you know, someone

1845
01:32:03,572 --> 01:32:06,052
Speaker 3: might say they'd be very loyal and being overly honest.

1846
01:32:06,173 --> 01:32:08,133
Speaker 3: But as long as you're not looking for the job

1847
01:32:08,412 --> 01:32:13,053
Speaker 3: on your work time, then there's nothing morally wrong or

1848
01:32:13,173 --> 01:32:14,892
Speaker 3: legally you know.

1849
01:32:14,933 --> 01:32:18,173
Speaker 22: No, there's there's nothing legally wrong with that. But as

1850
01:32:18,532 --> 01:32:21,572
Speaker 22: soon as a worker tells there and yeah that they're

1851
01:32:21,572 --> 01:32:24,773
Speaker 22: planning to leave, it damages the relationship.

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01:32:25,093 --> 01:32:28,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, idiot, Yeah, you're definitely not making long term plans

1853
01:32:28,532 --> 01:32:28,772
Speaker 3: with them.

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01:32:28,973 --> 01:32:31,772
Speaker 4: You've got to be smarter than that. Oh, nd and

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01:32:31,812 --> 01:32:33,412
Speaker 4: eighty teen eighty is the number of caller you got

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01:32:33,412 --> 01:32:36,093
Speaker 4: a question for? Gareth Steven go for Gold.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, all, how are you going this afternoon?

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01:32:40,173 --> 01:32:40,652
Speaker 4: Very well?

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01:32:40,692 --> 01:32:42,012
Speaker 22: Good? How can we help Stephen?

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01:32:43,213 --> 01:32:46,692
Speaker 23: Quick question? Really well, not a quick question. We're about

1861
01:32:46,772 --> 01:32:49,973
Speaker 23: to go through a full change process and everyone has

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01:32:50,013 --> 01:32:53,532
Speaker 23: been asked to reapply for their roles. I've been living

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01:32:53,572 --> 01:32:57,093
Speaker 23: the company for thirty years, the first fourteen is a contractor.

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01:32:58,492 --> 01:33:00,013
Speaker 23: When it comes to if I am one of the

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01:33:00,093 --> 01:33:02,692
Speaker 23: unlucky ones to be made redundant, am I allowed to

1866
01:33:02,812 --> 01:33:05,973
Speaker 23: go for the fall fifty two weeks that I'd be

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01:33:06,053 --> 01:33:08,213
Speaker 23: entitled to if I was considered thirty years or only

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01:33:08,372 --> 01:33:11,372
Speaker 23: the past fourteen as an employee.

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01:33:12,013 --> 01:33:17,732
Speaker 22: Wow, that's a really unfortunate situation. Generally, you would only

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01:33:17,772 --> 01:33:22,973
Speaker 22: be able to count the years that you've been an employee,

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01:33:23,013 --> 01:33:25,892
Speaker 22: not the years that you've been a contractor. Of course,

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01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:30,812
Speaker 22: you could certainly try and negotiate something extra given that

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01:33:30,853 --> 01:33:33,692
Speaker 22: you've been there that long, that that might, you know,

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01:33:33,812 --> 01:33:36,213
Speaker 22: you you might actually make some headway there.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but considering that the sort of

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01:33:41,173 --> 01:33:43,412
Speaker 23: High Court court of a Peel case where they were

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01:33:43,452 --> 01:33:46,932
Speaker 23: considered employees, would that not change the No.

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Speaker 22: I think I think that that's a little bit too

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01:33:50,893 --> 01:33:54,852
Speaker 22: far away from your situation. You would you would have

1880
01:33:54,933 --> 01:33:58,053
Speaker 22: to argue that you were actually an employee when you

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01:33:58,093 --> 01:34:01,572
Speaker 22: were a contractor all those years ago, and now that

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01:34:01,692 --> 01:34:04,772
Speaker 22: needs to count in terms of your redundancy. I think

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01:34:04,772 --> 01:34:07,532
Speaker 22: that would there would be a bit too far. But

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01:34:08,053 --> 01:34:11,093
Speaker 22: you know, I think a lot of employers want to

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01:34:11,133 --> 01:34:13,732
Speaker 22: do the right thing. Whether they can or not, it's

1886
01:34:13,772 --> 01:34:17,253
Speaker 22: another story. But I'd be raising it with them and saying, hey,

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01:34:17,293 --> 01:34:19,933
Speaker 22: I've been here for thirty years, you know, can you

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01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:20,532
Speaker 22: look after me?

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01:34:21,372 --> 01:34:21,612
Speaker 23: Yeah?

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01:34:21,732 --> 01:34:23,213
Speaker 22: OK, yeah, all.

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01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:25,572
Speaker 4: The best, the best. Yeah, go well, Steve, and hopefully

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01:34:25,572 --> 01:34:28,452
Speaker 4: that works out for you mate. All right? Oh eight

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01:34:28,572 --> 01:34:30,772
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:34:30,812 --> 01:34:33,133
Speaker 4: Gareth is standing by. If you've got a problem in

1895
01:34:33,133 --> 01:34:35,133
Speaker 4: your workplace, or you're the boss and you've got a

1896
01:34:35,213 --> 01:34:38,452
Speaker 4: question about your employees. Now is the time? Ninety two

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01:34:38,532 --> 01:34:40,293
Speaker 4: ninety two is the text as well. We'll be back

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01:34:40,372 --> 01:34:41,612
Speaker 4: very shortly. It is nineteen to.

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Speaker 2: Four your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 2: Adams Afternoons with Scoda.

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01:34:49,213 --> 01:34:50,692
Speaker 1: Can you crack the scoter code?

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01:34:50,812 --> 01:34:53,213
Speaker 4: News Talk sa'd be sixteen to form. We're joined by

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01:34:53,253 --> 01:34:56,372
Speaker 4: Gareth Abdenor. He's an employment workplace in information expert and

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01:34:56,412 --> 01:34:59,852
Speaker 4: director of Abdenall Employment Law. If you've got a question

1905
01:34:59,933 --> 01:35:02,532
Speaker 4: in regards to your workplace or if you run a business,

1906
01:35:02,612 --> 01:35:04,412
Speaker 4: he is the man to chat to. Oh eight hundred

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01:35:04,412 --> 01:35:06,652
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Plenty

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01:35:06,652 --> 01:35:08,892
Speaker 4: of texts coming through on nine to two ninety two

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01:35:08,973 --> 01:35:11,853
Speaker 4: like this one. Get a Gareth. I have an employee

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01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:14,772
Speaker 4: who I think is lied about how long they intended

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01:35:14,812 --> 01:35:17,892
Speaker 4: to stay overseas. They have stayed longer than approved. Can

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01:35:17,933 --> 01:35:20,052
Speaker 4: I ask for flight details?

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01:35:21,572 --> 01:35:26,333
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting one. I think rather

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01:35:26,372 --> 01:35:30,372
Speaker 22: than asking for flight details, I'd be asking them why

1915
01:35:30,412 --> 01:35:33,452
Speaker 22: they're still overseas and why they haven't returned of course.

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01:35:33,452 --> 01:35:36,292
Speaker 22: At the moment, there's been a huge amount of disruption

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01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:40,772
Speaker 22: due to the attacks in Iran, and I know a

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Speaker 22: lot of people's travel has been impacted by that. So

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01:35:44,893 --> 01:35:48,013
Speaker 22: I'd just be asking the employee to explain they may

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01:35:48,093 --> 01:35:49,213
Speaker 22: have a legitimate reason.

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01:35:50,333 --> 01:35:52,412
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting that if they haven't turned up for work

1922
01:35:52,412 --> 01:35:54,012
Speaker 4: and they said they were going to come back on

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01:35:54,133 --> 01:35:57,532
Speaker 4: a specific date, you'd be whyn't you're back reason? You

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01:35:57,532 --> 01:35:58,612
Speaker 4: don't need the flight details?

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01:35:59,053 --> 01:36:00,492
Speaker 22: Yes, I'll just be asking them.

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01:36:00,572 --> 01:36:03,452
Speaker 3: This TEXTA asks is it illegal to not have a

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01:36:03,532 --> 01:36:06,173
Speaker 3: contract if you're a contractor my employer is refusing to

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01:36:06,213 --> 01:36:10,132
Speaker 3: issue me a contact a contract.

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Speaker 22: I'm not sure it's illegal, but it's certainly bad practice.

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Speaker 22: And if you don't have a written contract, how do

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Speaker 22: you know or how do both sides know what they've

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Speaker 22: agreed to. I'd be very suspicious if I hope that

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Speaker 22: you're working with doesn't want to give you a contract,

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Speaker 22: because that's a huge red flag.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very good, Malcolm Gareth is standing by.

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Speaker 5: Oh hi.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, two years ago, or just before Christmas, I was

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Speaker 17: terminated and I was still on ACC. I was given

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Speaker 17: two weeks notice I'd had a league injury, but I

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Speaker 17: was doing as much as I could, Like it's three

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Speaker 17: days a week, so many years, and I forgot to

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Speaker 17: sign the paperwork. And then the next morning or whatever,

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Speaker 17: I was called and said, oh, can I have the

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Speaker 17: paperback because we forgot to sign it? And I said, well, sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 17: that's it anyway, yeh yeah, all right, Where have I

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Speaker 17: got a case or not?

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Speaker 22: The general rule is that if you want to raise

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Speaker 22: a claim for unfair dismissal, you need to raise that

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Speaker 22: within ninety days of being dismissed. So it really depends

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Speaker 22: if you fit in that time frame or not, and

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Speaker 22: then it's going to look at the particular reasons an

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Speaker 22: employer does have to follow a fear process before dismissing you.

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Speaker 22: But from what you've said, it sounds like you could

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Speaker 22: potentially be out of time. That's something that you might

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Speaker 22: actually want to get some specific advice on, and a

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Speaker 22: lawyer can look at the details and its sists you

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Speaker 22: to work out if you're in time and if you are,

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Speaker 22: how strong the case is all the best, good luck.

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Speaker 4: Good luck.

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Speaker 3: As a legit for an employer slash small company owner

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Speaker 3: to ask employees to do work at their private residence

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Speaker 3: that isn't work related we've got this one before. This

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Speaker 3: must be a common thing.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that does happen, And I often see employees be

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Speaker 22: being asked to pick their bosses' kids up from school

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Speaker 22: or drop them off and things that clearly aren't part

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Speaker 22: of the job. I think it really depends on is

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Speaker 22: it reasonable or not. Now, if the boss is asking

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Speaker 22: you to do stuff like that, it seems to me

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Speaker 22: that there may not actually be enough real work for you.

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Speaker 22: So you need to be careful because if you start pushing.

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Speaker 4: Back on that might be doing a favor.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, you might actually find that you get made redundant. So,

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Speaker 22: you know, it always comes down to the details, doesn't it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I remember I had a boss that used to ask

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Speaker 3: me to go and help him do things that were

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Speaker 3: in his life.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was working at a record store. Next thing,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'd be chopping wood in his backyard. He

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Speaker 3: would come along and we bonded. We became very good friends,

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Speaker 3: and I think over time it was a positive thing.

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Speaker 4: For the job. He could rely on.

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Speaker 3: He had a bunch of employees and he wanted some

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Speaker 3: company when he was driving out to his farm to

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Speaker 3: do and get some work done. Yeah, So you know,

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Speaker 3: I could have been annoyed and see it you're exploiting me.

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Speaker 3: But instead it I was like hanging out with the

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Speaker 3: boss terrible driver though, because it was terrifying.

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Speaker 4: Getting that would good. That's all that matters. Hey, there's

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Speaker 4: an interesting question here, Gareth. Can I say no to

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Speaker 4: a urine test with my employer? What are my options?

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Speaker 22: Ah, this is a great one and it leads to

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Speaker 22: the obvious question why most drug and alcohol policies actually

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Speaker 22: have a provision in them that say if you refuse

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Speaker 22: a test, that is considered failing the test. So you

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Speaker 22: need to be very careful. First steppers, have a look

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Speaker 22: at the drug and alcohol policy. Second step is if

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Speaker 22: taking drugs is prohibited in your workplace. Yeah, maybe think

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Speaker 22: about why you're too scared to take the drug test.

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Speaker 4: There's not too many excuses about why you don't want

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Speaker 4: to take a urine test. I think I'm just trying

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Speaker 4: to think of one that's legitimate. I think we all

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Speaker 4: know why. Drink lots of water and flush the system.

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Speaker 22: It's amazing how many people smoke a cigarette that wasn't

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Speaker 22: actually a cigarette and they didn't realize that at the time,

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Speaker 22: and they've only ever done it once just before there's

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Speaker 22: a drug test.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unfortunate for that person the only time, and

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Speaker 4: I just thought it's only one time in my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it happened to be the day of the drug cigarette

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Speaker 4: that looks nothing like a cigarette. A bit funny. But

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Speaker 4: it is weird though.

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Speaker 3: That employees can ask employers can ask for some of

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Speaker 3: your body of bodily fluids though, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: on one level, that's kind of a weird thing we

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Speaker 3: can see.

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Speaker 22: And I think the whole drug test thing. You know,

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Speaker 22: some people think you shouldn't be able to take drugs

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Speaker 22: on the weekend. Then again, there's some pretty clear reasons

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Speaker 22: why you shouldn't be taking drugs when you're working in

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Speaker 22: a safety sensitive area.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 22: I've had cases where workers have have gone and smoked

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Speaker 22: to joint at lunchtime and then operated heavy machinery, which

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Speaker 22: you know obviously is not not a great idea. So

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Speaker 22: first step always always look at the contract, look at

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Speaker 22: the policy and see what it is you potentially you

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Speaker 22: could refuse it, but there may be consequences to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting, Gareth. Always a pleasure to have you

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Speaker 4: on and great dv on for the first time in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. We will see you back here in

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Speaker 4: about a month's time.

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Speaker 22: Fantastic. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: That is Gareth Abden or you can find them an

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Speaker 4: abdenor law dot in Z employment workplace, an information expert.

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Speaker 4: And I've got to say this part. The conditent of

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Speaker 4: this segment is general in nature, not legal advice, and

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Speaker 4: information discussed is not intended to be a substitute for

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Speaker 4: obtaining specific professional advice. It is eight minutes to four,

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Speaker 4: the big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

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Speaker 4: and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used Talks.

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Speaker 4: B, News Talks Hebb.

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Speaker 3: It is five to four and that brings us the

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Speaker 3: end of another Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons on

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZB. Thank you so much for listening, and

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Speaker 3: conversation on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Loved talking

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Speaker 3: to all of yours. Will we're back live, Tyler and

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Speaker 3: I will be live from twelve pm tomorrow morning. The

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Speaker 3: great and Powerful Hithertop of c Ellen is up next

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Speaker 3: and she'll be talking to insid Archier David Kirk about

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Speaker 3: the appointing of Dave.

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Speaker 4: Rennie as our new All Blacks coach. Should be a

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Speaker 4: great chat.

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Speaker 3: But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I

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Speaker 3: playing this absolute banger from Cat use of Islam Stephens

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Speaker 3: from the nineteen seventy two album Teeza and the Fly Cat.

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Speaker 4: I love it from that album. Yeah, I love a

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Speaker 4: bit of Cat Stevens, but I don't actually know the

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Speaker 4: name of the psalm.

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Speaker 3: It's Morning has Broken more lovely.

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Speaker 24: I thought it's beautiful because we had a good discussion

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Speaker 24: about those like you who get up at five am

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Speaker 24: to try and kick the day's ars, and anybody that

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Speaker 24: sleeps more than that just lazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Experts of pushing back on the effectiveness of getting up early,

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Speaker 3: they are wrong, and sleeping in past six am is

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Speaker 3: only for the week.

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Speaker 4: Get up and blast this as loud as you can

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Speaker 4: across your house. A good start of the day. Beautiful

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Speaker 4: all right, we'll see you tomorrow live from twelve Until then,

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Speaker 4: give them a taste of KEI week from us.

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