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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither dup to c Ellen drive with One New

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Speaker 2: Zealand let's get connected, you.

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Speaker 3: Stalk, said b.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. The enormous and really quite grim report into what

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Speaker 4: and also in church care has just dropped seven minutes ago.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk to our reporter who's got the

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Speaker 4: details in just a few minutes time. Then we'll have

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Speaker 4: a chat to the Minister responsible on what's going to

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Speaker 4: happen so that this kind of abuse never happens again.

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Speaker 4: Core logic. On the news that rents have dropped for

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Speaker 4: the first time in two years and the scandal about

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Speaker 4: the Canadian spying on our ladies' football team over at

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Speaker 4: the Olympics, Duless Ellen listen, I agree with the ACT

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Speaker 4: Party that Health New Zealand needs to drop this nonsense

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Speaker 4: of encouraging its staff to incorporate a prayer into their

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Speaker 4: daily routine. I mean, what is this? What are we

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Speaker 4: living in the sixth century with the height of Christianity.

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Speaker 4: This is very, very very unmodern. Now. The reason we

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Speaker 4: leaked an email that was sent sent to Health New

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Speaker 4: Zealand staff that says, we encourage everyone to incorporate cuta

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Speaker 4: kia daily. Cut Kia is just prayer, so we encourage

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Speaker 4: everyone to incorporate prayer daily. To help support you with this,

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Speaker 4: we have created some pre recorded videos so you can

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Speaker 4: learn kutakia. Now we don't know which staff are being

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Speaker 4: because that's generally how organizations work. When they roll something

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Speaker 4: So let's assume that this also includes doctors and nurses

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Speaker 4: and surgeons and anesthetists and so on. You've been to

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Speaker 4: them on their eight am round. And if you don't

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Speaker 4: get them on the eight am round, bloody good luck

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Speaker 4: to you. Now, do we really think that people who

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Speaker 4: are madly understaffed, who are run off their feet who

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Speaker 4: time now to stop and learn a prayer and then

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Speaker 4: incorporate it into their day every single day. Come on, health,

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Speaker 4: New Zealand have some priorities. What's more is that this

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Speaker 4: is completely inappropriate in a modern world to force religion

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can call it a cut of kere,

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Speaker 4: so you can make it sound cool and fashionable and

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Speaker 4: culturally aware of whatever, but in fact is that is

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Speaker 4: a prayer. A prayer is a religious actor. And I

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Speaker 4: say this as someone who identifies broadly as Christian. Not

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Speaker 4: cool to force your religion on someone else. This is fundamentally,

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Speaker 4: I think one of the biggest problems with the public

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Speaker 4: they almost desire being distracted by anything which is not

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Speaker 4: might actually good at your job. You never know. Now

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Speaker 4: it's worth saying right that if you do object to this,

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Speaker 4: which I do, you have to be logically consistent and

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Speaker 4: the minister, sorry, the act MP Todd Stevenson about that

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Speaker 4: in about an hour and a half's time. Now to

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Speaker 4: It reveals the horrifying extent of abuse and neglect of

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Speaker 4: Now the Commission has called this a national disgrace. It's

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Speaker 4: Canterbury to apologize for this. News Dog's AB's political reporter

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Speaker 4: to Malsa Jackson has been reading through the mass of report. Hidemelza, Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 4: can you run us through some of some of the findings.

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Speaker 5: Well, it has taken almost six years to put together

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Speaker 5: and estimated two hundred thousand children, young people and vulnerable

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Speaker 4: All right, so, as far as we do know, how

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Speaker 5: Well, this is unimagined, noble, widespread and severe physical, emotional, mental,

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Speaker 5: sexual and medical abuse. Heather and the reports on words,

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Speaker 5: what we're talking about is a national disgrace. The stories

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Speaker 5: involve the sex, trafficking of people in disability homes, the

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Speaker 5: threat of death through mock executions, that wilderness retreats, and

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Speaker 5: deaf children being physically beaten for using sign language. For

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Speaker 5: was so bad that the survivors have developed what they

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Speaker 5: call the Kimberly cringe, where they literally cower if they're

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Speaker 5: approached too quickly. That the consistency in the reports and

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Speaker 5: that for some it's unfortunately led them to being left

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Speaker 4: Okay, the Prime Minister has described he's read some of it.

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Speaker 4: He reckons some of this abuse basically amounts to tortures.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely I mean on behalf of the government. Chris Luxon

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Speaker 5: these very painful Paralda hyde injections, but not for medical reasons.

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Speaker 5: It was for punishment and control. I imagine this will

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Speaker 4: Commissions put a financial cost on this abuse, hasn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So the report highlights that because of the trauma,

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Speaker 5: so many people have really lost their right to enjoyment

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Speaker 5: intergenerational harm to account for as well. All up, the

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Speaker 5: about eight hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: I mean, almost as important as hearing what's happened is

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Speaker 4: knowing how to stop it. So what are the recommendations

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a staggering one hundred and thirty eight recommendations

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Speaker 5: recommendations from an earlier report which is all about redress.

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Speaker 5: So the immediate call, from what I'm reading, is for

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Speaker 5: the government to put in place that redress system for survivors.

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Speaker 5: These conversations about payouts and apologies have just gone on

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Speaker 5: they have been waiting, so that will probably be the

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Speaker 5: first step. The government is also being told to set

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Speaker 5: up an independent agency which will take over the responsibility

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Speaker 5: of commissioning those care and protection and youth justice services.

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Speaker 5: This would essentially take away any power from audoing Atomatiqui,

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Speaker 5: which previously has been in control, and that would mean

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Speaker 5: the state really isn't looking after these children anymore. From

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Speaker 5: what I'm reading, it's basically the inquiry saying the buck

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Speaker 4: So we are talking about shutting down ord on a timidiki.

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Speaker 5: I imagine that the Ministry for Children would still exist

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Speaker 5: in some way, but when it comes to deciding how

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Speaker 5: they would have to take their hands off and have

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Speaker 4: Okay, Demelza, thank you. I really appreciate you going through

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Speaker 4: that for us. It's Develot Jackson Newstalk zb's political Report.

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Speaker 4: I've got a little bit more info on this. We're

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Speaker 4: going to talk to the ministaff the five sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither Duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for

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Speaker 4: Be Darcy water Grave Sports talk hoasters with me right now. Hey, Dars, you're.

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Speaker 6: One of the better dressed humans in building. I've got

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Speaker 6: to say head that. Plus Yellen, something really interesting.

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Speaker 4: It's a two piece onesie today the two piece ones Yes,

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Speaker 4: it's a jayhoe from back in the day. It is

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Speaker 7: Well, that's good, that's good. You didn't like send it

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Speaker 4: I'm wearing it because it's like a silky material. I'm

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Speaker 4: which it inevitably happens, doesn't it with silky materials?

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, I known any silk.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the downside, hey, listen. So why are the

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Speaker 4: Canadians spying on our football team? Soy eighth from the world.

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Speaker 7: Well and there, and they're the rating the defending champions.

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Speaker 7: I fight maybe with the new coaching staff, they're thinking,

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Speaker 7: maybe we might better pick something up. But you fly

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Speaker 7: a drone over a park like you think you're not

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Speaker 7: gonna get caught. Did they do it deliberately?

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Speaker 6: No, there's a drone up there.

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Speaker 7: I wonder who could come from that person in the

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Speaker 7: Canadian tracksuit. It beggars belief the stupidity of a decision like.

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Speaker 4: That all the time, though does and they get away

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Speaker 4: with it all the time, which is why they do it.

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Speaker 7: They don't make noises they see it. I don't know

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Speaker 7: what they hope maybe formation possibly make the punishment.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're trying to work that out because it's overnight

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Speaker 6: over there.

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Speaker 4: To get a punishment otherwise, And we'll talk.

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Speaker 7: About that tonight on the show. Because you've got one

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Speaker 7: crazy cheat in the form of Ben Johnson, who really cheated.

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Speaker 7: I mean he went to down, didn't he. It was

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Speaker 7: not an a sheet, Ben Johnson. It was the steroid

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Speaker 7: pig at the Sole Olympics. It ran so fast as

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Speaker 7: legs just a been off the track and left Partha's

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Speaker 7: rest of the runners slipped and the steroids left all

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Speaker 6: So that that big cheek.

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Speaker 7: But this is still contravening the Olympic standard and it

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Speaker 7: so it's still so.

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Speaker 4: It's a Canadian spy on a sucky team like us.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine the level of spying they're going to

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Speaker 8: Today, on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the mate? I remember when I was a

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of money to blow on children.

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Speaker 6: It's esports gaming.

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Speaker 7: I mean all sports, not for all There's plenty of

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Speaker 2: Find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris has got a bump of the first pole

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Speaker 4: We've got a little bit of good news for renters. Finally.

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Speaker 4: The good news is that the rent has come back

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Speaker 9: Next Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get

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Speaker 1: The world wires on news talks. It'd be drive yes.

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Speaker 4: So, as I told you, Karmala Harris's presidential campaign has

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Speaker 4: A cabinet reshuffle is on the cards, and Aussie Elbow's

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Speaker 4: the underperforming Andrew Giles might not be the Immigration Minister

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Speaker 6: I'm very happy doing the work I'm doing.

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Speaker 11: But of course any reshuffle is a matter for the

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Speaker 4: And finally, a worker in San Francisco City was fired

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 4: Which is a brilliant case of the Barbers Streising defect,

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Speaker 3: I'm not stepping down.

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Speaker 12: that's what I would be worried about, because the money

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Speaker 12: is going to be, you know, used obviously to make

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Speaker 12: her more visible and get her message out there, and

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Speaker 12: that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 13: You.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think, I mean, the money is obviously

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Speaker 4: really impressive. I suspect though, that it reflects just, you know,

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Speaker 4: that relief that they're feeling over Biden being gone. But

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Speaker 4: that bump in the poll is not enough, right, because

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Speaker 4: she needs she needs a two point lead just to

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Speaker 4: be within the chance of winning. So this is basically

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Speaker 4: level pegging with him. She needs much more than that

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Speaker 4: and if that's all that she's going to get from

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Speaker 4: the honeymoon period that she's in right now, that's not enough.

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Speaker 12: No, No, you're right. I mean that's that's a perfect

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Speaker 12: analogy to say right now. I mean, she needs to

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Speaker 12: be seven eight nine points ahead of value Trump in

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Speaker 12: this thing. And we need to see this not just

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Speaker 12: today or tomorrow. We need to see if this the

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Speaker 12: momentum is going to continue a month from now at campaigning.

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Speaker 4: So when she goes out and starts her word salads

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Speaker 4: and everybody goes, oh, geez, she's not as cool as

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Speaker 4: we thought, she is just going to go down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right again.

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Speaker 12: I think it's something I think we try to project

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Speaker 12: on people that we don't know a lot about And

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Speaker 12: when you're the vice president, you know a little bit

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Speaker 12: about them, but you don't know a lot.

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Speaker 3: And the more she speaks, the more we're going want

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Speaker 3: to learn.

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Speaker 12: And that's going to be what decides whether or not

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Speaker 12: she's in this for the long haul and she has

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Speaker 12: a chance against Trump.

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Speaker 4: Hey, listen, what's the deal with the reusable cups in California?

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Speaker 12: I don't well, you know, it's starting in a city

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Speaker 12: that's between San Francisco and Santa Rosa, a place called Pedaluma,

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Speaker 12: and they're kicking this off in about two weeks. It's

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Speaker 12: gonna run for several months. And these cups are purple apparently,

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Speaker 12: so everybody can see them, and you're gonna be served

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Speaker 12: beverages in them, hot or cold. And when you're done

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Speaker 12: with your cup, you just return them to any return

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Speaker 12: bin around town. And if you don't know where they are,

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Speaker 12: you can go on a website and the cups are

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Speaker 12: going to be professionally washed and sanitized, and then they're

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Speaker 12: going to be put back into use. And businesses are

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Speaker 12: hoping that this is going to cut down on a

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Speaker 12: lot of the wasist. I mean, we throw away something

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Speaker 12: like fifty billion paper coffee cups every year here in

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Speaker 12: the US, and maybe that will help save these places money.

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Speaker 3: The question is, would you use a.

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Speaker 12: Cup that somebody else's lips have already been on, even

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Speaker 12: if you're told it's been clean and it's santize.

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Speaker 4: Talking about you do that every time you go into

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Speaker 4: a restart drink glass a glass.

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Speaker 3: Of water, I use a straw? What I use a straw?

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Speaker 13: Why am I? Well?

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Speaker 12: That way in my lips don't have to touch the

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Speaker 12: glass or the cup.

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Speaker 4: What about when you have a beer in a pub?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: You don't have a beer in a pub because for

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Speaker 4: the same reason.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm more of a teatoller there. I just don't

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Speaker 12: like the taste of beer, to tell you the truth.

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Speaker 4: But tea joint and you have a cup of tea.

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Speaker 3: I okay, you got me there, all right? I do

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 12: I do use these fact is I think about die

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Speaker 12: I don't think about it that much, and I think

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Speaker 12: I'd be okay using these cups. But the question is

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Speaker 12: will the general public be okay using these cups?

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Speaker 4: Dan, You're always a fascinating man. I really appreciate it

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Speaker 4: ten Muchinson, our US correspondent. I use a straw word

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Speaker 4: above Hither at Mby we are just short of required

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Speaker 4: to say cut a care before and after meetings. My

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Speaker 4: manager told me I'd be considered racist if I didn't

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Speaker 4: recite it with anyone else. Fear rules. That's from Mark.

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Speaker 4: By the way, this is the start of a number

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Speaker 4: of texts in which I'm going to show you it's

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Speaker 4: not just Health New Zealand and the public sector doing this.

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Speaker 4: Hither I work for a private company contracted to NZTA.

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Speaker 4: They have to do a cut of care before the

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Speaker 4: project review. I was the same as you didn't understand

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Speaker 4: what part of prayer had to pay within an organization

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Speaker 4: or what relevance it had had to have to the

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Speaker 4: meeting and review. Hither, at the DHBs, we also had

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Speaker 4: to say a Marti prayer at the start of the

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Speaker 4: meetings and then to close them. No one's prepared to

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Speaker 4: push back due to the repercussions. We have no choice anyway.

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Speaker 4: That's from jan hither orrang A. Tamuriki staff start every

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Speaker 4: day with a karakia and awa yatsa. So that's a

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Speaker 4: prayer and then a song. Well it can warm you

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Speaker 4: up for that. I suppose we have to end the

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Speaker 4: day with a prayer as well. It's the all important

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Speaker 4: meetings start with a katakia at such a waste of

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Speaker 4: time and unprofessional. Not just in health New Zealand Politics

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Speaker 4: next sixteen Away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Jason Wall's political editors with us in for Barrisobahe Jason.

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Speaker 14: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: What's the political reaction to this massive report from the

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Speaker 4: Royal Commission?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean it's still rolling out down here as

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Speaker 14: we're speaking, and p are addressing the house. We just

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Speaker 14: heard from act Minister Karen Shaw and now it's Casey Costello,

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Speaker 14: but it was Chris lux and the Prime Minister who

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Speaker 14: was the first up. And it's still talking obviously of

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Speaker 14: course about the largest and most complex public report ever

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Speaker 14: compiled in New Zealand, being the Royal Commission into the

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Speaker 14: Abuse and State Care and Faith based Institutions. And as

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Speaker 14: it was being introduced to the House, the report was

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Speaker 14: being physically carried in. It took three people to actually

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Speaker 14: bring it to the house. That is the size of

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Speaker 14: this thing, three thousand pages long, reportedly fourteen kilograms. I

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Speaker 14: haven't actually seen it. We've been using USB sticks to

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Speaker 14: cover it down here. So by now you've probably heard

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Speaker 14: the details of the report, but in short, detailed unimaginable

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Speaker 14: and widespread abuse in care between nineteen fifty and twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 14: and it amounts to a national disgrace. And we also

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Speaker 14: heard that two hundred thousand of the estimated six hundred

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Speaker 14: and fifty five thousand and care were abused and many

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Speaker 14: many more neglected, with Marty disproportionately didn't subject to avert

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Speaker 14: and overt racism, violence and sexual abuse were common, and

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Speaker 14: in some cases children and young people were trafficked to

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Speaker 14: members of the public. So harrowing, harrowing stuff in the report.

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Speaker 14: There is much much more, and as I said, MPs

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Speaker 14: are debating at Chris Luxen was the first to speak.

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Speaker 3: To every person who took part.

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Speaker 11: I say, thank you for your exceptional strength, your incredible courage,

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Speaker 11: and you're confronting honesty. Because of you, we know the

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Speaker 11: truth about the abuse and the trauma that you endured.

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Speaker 11: I cannot take away your pain, but I can tell

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Speaker 11: you this. You are heard and you are believed.

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Speaker 14: And it was incredibly, incredibly emotional up there in the house,

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Speaker 14: a lot of tears from survivors in the public gallery,

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Speaker 14: of course MPs themselves, and we know that an official

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Speaker 14: apology is coming in November. But the Prime Minister did

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Speaker 14: have this to say.

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Speaker 11: And I say to the survivors, the burden is no

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Speaker 11: longer yours to carry along the state. It is now

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Speaker 11: standing here beside you, accountable and ready to take action.

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Speaker 3: We are here.

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Speaker 11: Today because it was important to the government that an

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Speaker 11: acknowledgment and sincere apology be made with gravitas and dignity

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Speaker 11: it deserved to be made in this Parliament.

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Speaker 14: So as to what happens next, the Prime Minister says

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Speaker 14: the issue of redress will be discussed over the coming months,

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Speaker 14: and speaking to media today he wasn't actually able to

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Speaker 14: say how much this would cost the Crown, but understandably

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Speaker 14: he said that doesn't matter today and it wasn't really

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Speaker 14: a concern to him right now, and he's right. So

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Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty eight recommendations in the report that

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Speaker 14: we'll be looked into in the over the coming months.

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Speaker 14: And the Prime Minister did have this to say directly

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Speaker 14: to the survivors who were waiting for the next step.

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Speaker 11: And I want to assure you that we understand the

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Speaker 11: urgency and the importance of that work and we will

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Speaker 11: provide clarity before the end of the year.

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Speaker 14: I would imagine that would come at the same time

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Speaker 14: as the public apology in November and very emotional day

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Speaker 14: in the House. I will say it was bit of

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Speaker 14: a shame to hear a few people yell shame from

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Speaker 14: the public gallery as act Minister Karen Shaw started her speech,

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Speaker 14: which was in the end deeply deeply emotional, but a

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Speaker 14: lot of emotions flying in the House.

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Speaker 4: Any idea why they were yelling shame?

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Speaker 14: It's hard to speculate at this stage, and I wouldn't

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Speaker 14: I wouldn't feel comfortable speculating as to why. I would

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Speaker 14: just say that it comes down to the fact that

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Speaker 14: there was a lot of emotional emotions flying today.

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Speaker 4: Now, where was Louise Upston this morning? Well, that's the

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Speaker 4: that's the question that we were all wondering.

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Speaker 14: I mean, it turned out that she was in a

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Speaker 14: Cabinet committee meeting, but she was there during one of

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Speaker 14: the bills that she wanted to pass was actually going

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Speaker 14: through the House and it ended up being a bit

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Speaker 14: of a calamitous morning, a bad look for the government.

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Speaker 14: And it was the reading of the Regulatory System Social

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Speaker 14: Security Amendment Bill. And if you haven't heard of this,

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Speaker 14: don't worry. I hadn't heard of it until the screw

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Speaker 14: up this morning either. Here's what happened. Assistant Speaker Maureen

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Speaker 14: Pugh moved for the bill to be debated. Then there

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Speaker 14: was this awkward silence as she looked around the debating

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Speaker 14: chamber for the minister to start speaking. Said, Minister Louise

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Speaker 14: Upston was not there to speak to her bill. So

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Speaker 14: Labour's at Anna Williams was quick to snap into action.

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Speaker 4: There is no minister here.

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Speaker 15: You must ring the bells the minister for the minister

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Speaker 15: that's responsible for this bell is not here to give

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Speaker 15: the rating, and so I'd suggest that it would be

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Speaker 15: worth the House of time to set their spell aside

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Speaker 15: and move to the next order on the antenna.

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Speaker 14: So National argued that there was in fact Melissa Lee

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Speaker 14: who was a minister in the House, but that was

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Speaker 14: not good enough. For more impure as the minister was

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Speaker 14: not here to take the call.

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Speaker 8: I'm recommending that the bill will be discharged.

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Speaker 14: So Chris Luxon was asked about this. He said that

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Speaker 14: it was a bit untidy looking and basically gave the

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Speaker 14: excuse that she was in the Cabinet committee meeting that

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Speaker 14: and the bill was called early. Then we asked Louise

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Speaker 14: Upston about it and she took the.

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Speaker 11: Four I'm fully coppying I got it wrong.

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Speaker 15: I've apologized to my party and we're moving on from here.

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Speaker 14: Not the biggest issue in terms of a big, meaty

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Speaker 14: piece of legislation that's going to have historical implifications but

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Speaker 14: still looks a bit messy from the government. I think

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Speaker 14: Arena Williams, who I think is an up and coming

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Speaker 14: lever backbench. It did quite well to seize upon the moment.

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Speaker 4: Here she love today you must ring the bell, hey,

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Speaker 4: thank you very much Jason Jason Wall's political editor in

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Speaker 4: for Barri Sober eight away from five.

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Speaker 2: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Myke asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Last, the government that has the common sense to see

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Speaker 16: what a crime it has been for Northon to be

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Speaker 16: cut off from the rest of the country over and

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Speaker 16: over and over again. So all lanes. It is all

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Speaker 16: the way from Auckland to funger Rang. Transport Minister Simming

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Speaker 16: and Brown made the announcement and he is with us.

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Speaker 1: Walkwith at Tihanna.

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Speaker 17: This is the first section that is the only major

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Speaker 17: roading project in the country which actually currently has a consent.

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Speaker 17: That is the shame of what we've beenheringed, but that

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Speaker 17: just shows the reality of needing to be able to

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Speaker 17: get a pipeline of infrastructure projects which are consented, which

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Speaker 17: can be delivered so that we can actually build the modern,

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Speaker 17: reliable infrastructure New Zealand needs. This is the top priority,

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Speaker 17: as many other roads around the country which need an

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Speaker 17: investment as well.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: Jaguine News talk z B.

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Speaker 4: Hey, just on that business about the Canadian spying on

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Speaker 4: our football ferns. We're going to go to Maya Jackman,

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Speaker 4: who's a former football fern and talk about it about

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes time from now hither. I love you, but

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Speaker 4: silly comment that Karmala Harris sucks at campaigning? When did

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Speaker 4: she last lose one? Like last time? That's why she

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Speaker 4: was the VP because she was in the running for

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Speaker 4: presidential candidate. And I'll let me tell you her campaign

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Speaker 4: bombed big time, like it was quite spectacular. So she

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Speaker 4: really sucks at campaign and good luck to her now.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of which, though, Trump's running mate jd Vance is

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Speaker 4: coppying a bit of a bit of heat for a

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Speaker 4: comment that he made about Karmala Harris. And the important

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Speaker 4: thing to know he is Karmala Harris hasn't got any kids, right,

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Speaker 4: So three years ago he was on Fox and he

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Speaker 4: made this comment. Someone's just dug it up again.

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Speaker 18: We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via

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Speaker 18: our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless catley who

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Speaker 18: are miserable at their own lives and the choices that

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Speaker 18: they've made, and so they want to make the rest

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Speaker 18: of the country miserable too.

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Speaker 4: And then he goes on to name Karla Harris as

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Speaker 4: a childless cat lady, which is such a dick thing

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Speaker 4: to say, isn't it. I mean, look, I totally understand that.

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Speaker 4: I guess the broader point, the point that he was

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Speaker 4: trying to get to, which is that unless you've been

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Speaker 4: a parent, you have no idea what it's like to

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Speaker 4: be a parent and raised children. You can't even begin

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Speaker 4: to scrape the start of understanding that. And yes, of

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Speaker 4: course that will limit your understanding of the world right

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Speaker 4: if you haven't been a parent, But that doesn't disqualify

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Speaker 4: people who have no kids from running for office. I mean,

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Speaker 4: look at New Zealand. Some of our most celebrated prime

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Speaker 4: ministers had no children and actually tried very hard to

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Speaker 4: look after families. And Michael Joseph Savage, who probably was gay,

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Speaker 4: actually opened the country's first state house. Helen Clark, who

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Speaker 4: introduced working for families, which is frankly a terrible idea, right,

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Speaker 4: but still was motivated by trying to look after families

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Speaker 4: and I don't think that that people should be unkind

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Speaker 4: to people who choose not to can't have it, can't

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Speaker 4: have kids. I think that's a really cruel thing to say. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: we're going to talk to the huddle about that when

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Speaker 4: they're with us, amongst many other topics, including this massive

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Speaker 4: report into abuse and state care and faith based care.

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Speaker 4: Minister is going to respond straight after five o'clock News.

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Speaker 2: Talk ZEDB, the only drive show you can trust to

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Speaker 2: ask the questions, get the answers, by the facts and.

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Speaker 1: Give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and News Talk.

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Speaker 1: A zed B.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. The Royal Commission into Abuse and State and Faith

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Speaker 4: Based Care dropped an hour ago and as you know,

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Speaker 4: it is grim. It estimates two hundred thousand ki We

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Speaker 4: kids and young people and adults were abused in care

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Speaker 4: between nineteen fifty and twenty nineteen. That's almost one in

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Speaker 4: three who were in this care. The Commission found they

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Speaker 4: were exposed to unimaginable and widespread abuse physical, emotional, mental

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Speaker 4: and sexual.

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 4: Erica Stanford is the minister responsible for the government's response. Higherka, Hello,

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Speaker 4: how are you? I'm good thank you. Have you read

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Speaker 4: the report?

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Speaker 20: I have read the report. I've read all of the

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Speaker 20: stories and they are harrowing the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Did you read all three thousand pages?

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 20: It's what I'm the lead minister and that's my job,

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Speaker 20: and I know that my colleagues are making their way

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Speaker 20: through the report as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how tough did you find reading this stuff?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 20: Look, incredibly harrowing. But you know, as I'm reading it,

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Speaker 20: I think to myself, I only have to read this

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Speaker 20: and do my job and making sure that we usher

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Speaker 20: this through the process. These people actually went through it,

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Speaker 20: you know, it's hard to imagine the horrors that they encountered.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree with Chris Luxen that this looks like torture?

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Speaker 20: There are some things that christ of a Luxan will

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Speaker 20: say about torture, and I'll leave that to him.

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Speaker 4: Is this stuff still happening at the most extreme level?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the most extreme stuff that we've read about

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Speaker 4: in the report is sex trafficking, letting members of the

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Speaker 4: public come in and pay money and abuse the kids, torture,

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Speaker 4: you know, unnecessary injections. Is that kind of stuff still

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Speaker 4: going on?

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Speaker 20: One of the things when you read the report that

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Speaker 20: is quite dark is some of the things you read,

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Speaker 20: you realize are mirrored in reports that you read today.

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Speaker 20: So if you think about the young people and what

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Speaker 20: I'm on a company to care, who are being encouraged

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Speaker 20: to fight and being filmed by the staff and the

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Speaker 20: staff are untrained, that is a story you could read

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Speaker 20: in the report from forty years ago. It's still happening

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Speaker 20: today in some pockets. And so while we have come

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Speaker 20: a long way, there is a lot more that we

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Speaker 20: can do. We must do better.

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Speaker 4: As hard as we may try, can we ever really

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Speaker 4: stop the stuff happening to kids? Because ultimately, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter whether these people are their parents, foster parents, working

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Speaker 4: in state care. As long as you've got bad adults,

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Speaker 4: this will happen. Can you really ever stop it?

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Speaker 20: We can do our very best to make sure that

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Speaker 20: the systems and processes that are in place are as

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Speaker 20: strong as they possibly can be, and that the oversight

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Speaker 20: and accountability is there. That is our job. But you

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Speaker 20: are right there are individuals in this story as well,

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Speaker 20: and actually it's on all of us, just a state,

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Speaker 20: but all of us to make sure that.

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Speaker 21: We all do better.

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Speaker 4: So what do we do.

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Speaker 22: Well?

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Speaker 20: My job as I says to lead the other nine

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Speaker 20: ministers who are involved. The first thing we have to

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Speaker 20: do is get the redress part underway and completed as

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Speaker 20: quickly as we can. The Crown response. So the Commission

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Speaker 20: report has said that we need to prioritize redress and

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Speaker 20: that is what we were doing. We're taking a numbers

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Speaker 20: of Cabinet papers and we'll have decisions by the end

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Speaker 20: of the year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, are you considering direct payments to people as

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Speaker 4: compensation for what they've been through.

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Speaker 20: There's a lot of things that we're considering. The Design

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Speaker 20: Redress Group, who are made up of survivors, have given

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Speaker 20: us one hundred and thirty page report with another ninety

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Speaker 20: seven I think recommendations that are very innovative and they

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Speaker 20: are very unique and it's going to take us a

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Speaker 20: long time to work our way through those, but they

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Speaker 20: are survivor lad and we'll take those into consideration. There's

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Speaker 20: a lots of different things, from services to payments and

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Speaker 20: all sorts could cost us a lot of money. Ah well.

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Speaker 20: As the Prime Minister said today, we're not thinking about that.

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Speaker 20: First principles, what's the right thing to do, what are

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Speaker 20: the right systems and process to set up to get

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Speaker 20: there and then we will think about that later.

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Speaker 4: I know that you're kind of limited in what you

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Speaker 4: can say about redress and acting on recommendations because that's

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Speaker 4: a process you have to go through now that you've

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Speaker 4: got the report. But are you considering shutting ot down?

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Speaker 2: That is.

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Speaker 20: It's not my portfolio and something you'll need to speak

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Speaker 20: to other ministers about. And it's not something that we've discussed.

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Speaker 4: Because we're already shutting it down, aren't we. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we're giving fifty percent of its funding a way to

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Speaker 4: community based organizations and treaty partners we found out yesterday,

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Speaker 4: so there's already a path there.

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Speaker 20: There's lots of different ways of making sure that kids

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Speaker 20: are getting the support and care that they need, and we'll.

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Speaker 21: We'll look at all of those. But also for those.

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Speaker 20: Who are currently in or in automody you care, we

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Speaker 20: need to make sure we're strengthening you can't go and

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Speaker 20: report tracking and care of those kids now are the

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Speaker 20: most vulnerable kids that aren't to play totally.

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Speaker 4: Erica, thank you very much for your time. I'd appreciate

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Speaker 4: is Erica Stanford the minister responsible for the government's response.

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Speaker 1: Ever do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 4: Finally we've got some respite for renters. Tradem's latest property

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Speaker 4: data has shown rental prices have decreased for the first

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Speaker 4: time since twenty twenty two. Just happened this month, but

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Speaker 4: only by five dollars. Calvin Davidson has called Logic's chief

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Speaker 4: property economist and with us, Hey, Calvin, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: Is this a one offer a trend?

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Speaker 23: Well, whether we get a month or month falls from

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Speaker 23: here on. I think there's a little bit of the curtis.

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Speaker 23: You don't really tend to see rents fall in any

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Speaker 23: prolonged way, But certainly there's a bigger picture here that

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Speaker 23: rental growth has slowed down. Rental market has shifted in

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Speaker 23: favor of tenants. There's a less demand out there and

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Speaker 23: a bit more supply. So we have seen rent slow.

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Speaker 23: They may not necessarily fall over the longer term, but

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Speaker 23: I have certainly flattered doubt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the back of demand is that as a result

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Speaker 4: of immigration slowing down?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean it's not that demands falling necessarily, but

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Speaker 23: the rate of growth has certainly slowed down. Migration is

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Speaker 23: coming off its peaks. There's still people arriving in net terms,

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Speaker 23: but there's also people leaving, and so I think it's

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Speaker 23: probably more of a story of just a little bit

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Speaker 23: of that heat coming out, But there's still migration there.

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Speaker 23: But as fast as one flaws.

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Speaker 4: What do you reckon landlords should be thinking at this point?

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Speaker 4: I mean, should they be considering dropping their rents to

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Speaker 4: get people in or is it not quite at that level?

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Speaker 23: Well, I mean up to the individual in the end.

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Speaker 23: I mean i'd also make a distinction between these figures

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Speaker 23: relate to what's happening on the market right now. Tenants

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Speaker 23: circling round, landyards circling round. They don't really apply to

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Speaker 23: people already in existing tendencies. So if landlords have existing tenants,

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Speaker 23: that those rents are going to be at least if

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Speaker 23: it's on a fixed lease, those rents aren't going to

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Speaker 23: change at least still in their terms. So it does

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Speaker 23: relate to the market. And so yes, if landlords are

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Speaker 23: out there's logging for some tenants, you know they'll have

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Speaker 23: to us right on the market. I guess in some

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Speaker 23: locations that might still be stronger. Other locations might be

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Speaker 23: that weaker.

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Speaker 4: Calvin's good to talk to you, Thank you mate, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: It's Calvin Davidson, chief Property Economist, to call Logic.

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Speaker 1: Heather due for sels some.

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Speaker 4: Good mortgage rate us for you. Westpac has just cut

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Speaker 4: its rates again for the second time in three weeks. Now.

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Speaker 4: This is obviously, I mean, there'll be what's going on

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Speaker 4: in the wholesale market, but that will probably be driven

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Speaker 4: by the inflation data that we got through last week.

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Speaker 4: So they've dropped the one year rate by four basis points.

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Speaker 4: That's nothing, never mind. But they've dropped a two year

875
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Speaker 4: rate by twenty six bases points. And now we're talking Unfortunately,

876
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 4: if you've got a deposit, they're also dropping a bunch

877
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: of term deposit rates by zero point one percent, zero

878
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Speaker 4: point three percent. This is good news, right because this

879
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: is a second time in what three weeks. That's a

880
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 4: bit of a trick. That's the start of a trend,

881
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: isn't it. A couple of dots you can connect, just

882
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: need the third one. Then we've got a trend going on.

883
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: Fourteen past five. Hey, the warehouse you need to know this.

884
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 4: The warehouse is massive. Store wide clearance is on right now.

885
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: This is the savings event of the season. They've got

886
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: over two million clearance bargains priced to go heaps of

887
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: home wears, toys, tech, baby gear, all of the stuff

888
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: that you need to add to your shopping list, and

889
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: then there'll be a whole lot more right across the range,

890
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 4: plus with even more clothing stars added to their clearance.

891
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: It's the perfect time to get the winter pixel for

892
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: your wardrobe, for the whole family, not just for the season,

893
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: but also for the seasons to come, and for a

894
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 4: perfect price as well. This store wide clearance is so

895
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 4: massive you're not gonna want to miss It's what you

896
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: want to do is hurry to your nearest warehouse store

897
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: look for the yellow sticker that's going to show you

898
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Speaker 4: we're going to get the amazing savings. But also, if

899
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: you just want to do it online, shop their massive

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Speaker 4: store wide clearance at the warehouse dot coton his z

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Speaker 4: or by using their app which will give you the

902
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Speaker 4: convenience of shopping wherever suits you. How good conditions apply

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00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 4: Heather du for see Allen eighteen past five. Heather jd

904
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 4: Vance was spot on crazy single cat ladies suck. Anyone

905
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 4: who's had a boss had one as a boss knows this.

906
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: They've not got no family, no reason to go home,

907
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: so they have no understanding or leeway given for those

908
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: with families, their expectations are different. Just just putting that

909
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: out there, that's a vibe, isn't it that That's going

910
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 4: to make some people quite angry. Now, Canada, as we've

911
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 4: been discussing, Canada has been caught spying on our women's

912
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 4: football team at the Olympics, isn't it member of their

913
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: staff fluid drone over the football Ferns training session has

914
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: been reported to the IO season Integrity Units. They're in trouble.

915
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: Maya Jackman is a former football fern and with us Amaya, Hi,

916
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: how are you doing? I'm very well?

917
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 10: Thank you?

918
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: How bad is this?

919
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 21: It's not good. I mean when you look at the

920
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 21: Olympics and what that means in general, you know, like

921
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 21: building a better world through sport and demonstrating respect and integrity,

922
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 21: it's pretty bad. It's not what the Olympics is about.

923
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: Why are they spying on us? I mean they're going

924
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: to beat us.

925
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 21: We don't know, Like football is a funny game. They

926
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 21: are ranked twenty, you know, spaces ahead of us. But look,

927
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 21: I think we've got a new coach, we've got some

928
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 21: new players. What they might be looking for as a formation.

929
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 21: So if you're up high and you're looking down on

930
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 21: a training a training session where that team might be

931
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 21: set up in a formation that will be playing against Canada,

932
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 21: they want to know what that formation might be. They

933
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 21: want to know whether players might be So that's my

934
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 21: guess at what they were trying to look at. This

935
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Speaker 21: new team, new coach has only been in and since,

936
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Speaker 21: you know, not very long, so there's not as much

937
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 21: known about this new Zealand team as there was around

938
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Speaker 21: the World Cup. So maybe they're trying to get in

939
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Speaker 21: a sneaky few more looks into what's what this new

940
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Speaker 21: look team might be.

941
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: I reckon there are sidivis defenders may because I reckon

942
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: if they're prepared to spy on number twenty eight in

943
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 4: the world, they are prepared to spy on everybody, like

944
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: the actual the actual ones.

945
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 21: We are going to beat them, right, yeah, I mean

946
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 21: like they're the defending Olympic champs, aren't they. So they're

947
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Speaker 21: they're trying the.

948
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: Hardest to keep, don't they.

949
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 21: I hope I am hoping we smash them. I'm not

950
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Speaker 21: sure we will smash.

951
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: Them, meaning like punishment wise.

952
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 21: But punishment wise, yeah, they need to be really held

953
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Speaker 21: accountable for this because I mean I think even that

954
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Speaker 21: the French president had put in a ban again anything

955
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Speaker 21: like drones or things like that. Anyway, I'm the first place,

956
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 21: so that was already a rule put in place, so

957
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 21: they've already broken something like that. When you've got an

958
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 21: Olympics in your country, you take it really seriously. So

959
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 21: love I'm loving it that the police came in and

960
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 21: took action straight away as well.

961
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Speaker 4: It's quite hardh Maya, thank you very much, appreciate it.

962
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: Maya Jackman, the former football third Yeah, the police. The

963
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: police immediately detained the person with the drone. How about

964
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: that for freaking that person out? Day five twenty one.

965
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: Hard questions, Strong opinion Heather Dup see Ellen Drive with

966
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Speaker 2: One New Zealand.

967
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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be right.

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Speaker 4: It's five twenty four listen. If the government can follow

969
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: through with actual actions, then I think the announcement Yesterda

970
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: about speeding up that highway to Northland is potentially a

971
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: game changer. One of my best friends actually went up

972
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: north last week with her mum and the kids to Operonni,

973
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: which is where her media is, and she sent me

974
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Speaker 4: a message while she was there to say it was

975
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: a little bit sad to see how run down places

976
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Speaker 4: were up there, and it's I wasn't surprised by her sentiment,

977
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Speaker 4: because that is exactly how I feel every single time

978
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: I go North, even though I know what to expect,

979
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: I'm always just a little bit shocked at how much

980
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 4: poverty there is up there, and on such a big

981
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 4: scale and in just one place. And I reckon, if

982
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: there are people in this country who've still never been

983
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: up North, and there will be plenty of them, they

984
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: would be shocked to see what's going on up there.

985
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 4: And part of the reason why that is so I guess,

986
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 4: so unique to Northland is because there just isn't enough

987
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: investment in that part of the world, which is surprising obviously,

988
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 4: because it's some of the best part of New Zealand,

989
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 4: right it's got some of the best weather in the country.

990
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: But it's just too blinking hard to get to. I mean,

991
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: even if the Brindouans are open, it's still a goat

992
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 4: track once you get past Walkworth, it's just a winding

993
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 4: and congested pain in the ass to get up there.

994
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: Now I've seen it already, as you can imagine, because

995
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: you know, roads are a bit of a culture war thing.

996
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: I've seen the criticism has already started up. One transport

997
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: commentator says, there are other roads that are more important

998
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: than a road to the North. There are other roads

999
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 4: that can be built for cheaper and building a road

1000
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: to the North would mean we can't use the money

1001
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 4: and we can't use the resources somewhere else in the

1002
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: country that needs it more desperately. Tell that to Northland

1003
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: is to their face, because that is exactly the kind

1004
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: of attitude that has them in the position they are

1005
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 4: right now, which is having poorer roading with their main

1006
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 4: road in and out closed for months because the roading

1007
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 4: network is just so bad. The piece of road that's

1008
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: already been built, this is a bit up to up

1009
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: to Walkworth has made such a huge difference that people

1010
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: rave about it. Right, if you take that all the

1011
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 4: way to farn at A you're talking. I mean, it's

1012
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: not going to suddenly transform the North. That is clearly

1013
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: going to take decades once you open it up, but

1014
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: it will start to without the North aink going ain't

1015
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 4: going nowhere. But if we actually start to do this,

1016
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: not only Northland, but I think the rest of the

1017
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: country will reap the rewards and earn the dividends from

1018
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: opening that place up.

1019
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, I.

1020
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: Am getting so many more texts on the number of

1021
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: places that are also doing these prayers before they have meetings.

1022
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 4: Asb starts its meetings with prayers, Airways New Zealand starts

1023
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 4: its meetings with prayers. Went to a meeting in person

1024
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: with acc ten minute introductions and five minute prayers two

1025
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: of them. Also, Ministry of Education has pushed the prayer

1026
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 4: crap for years, for apparently the last six years, never

1027
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 4: mind actually teaching the kids at least their praying, I suppose.

1028
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: And we're going to talk to Todd Stevenson, who's the

1029
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 4: act MP who's had a crack at at the Health

1030
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: New Zealand guys for this. He's going to be with

1031
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 4: us straight after the headlines. There has been a complaint

1032
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: about trading on the enz X, about the Warehouse, the

1033
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: trading on the Inzetex just before that buyout offer was announced.

1034
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: I actually did, like to be honest, yesterday I went

1035
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 4: back to look at the share price of the warehouse

1036
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: and I looked at Friday and I thought, oh, that

1037
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: looks a bit funny, isn't it? And here it is

1038
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: there's a complaint about it. So what happened is that

1039
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: on Monday we find we found out about the possible

1040
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 4: deal from the Ossie Equity Fern and Sir Stephen Tindall.

1041
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 4: But on Friday, like a full business day ahead of that,

1042
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: there was a fair bit of trading going on. There

1043
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: was more than one point two million dollars worth of

1044
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: Warehouse Group shares that were traded. By the end of

1045
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: the day, the shares were up eight percent on the

1046
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: opening price, and according to one analyst, get a load

1047
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 4: of this, a three hundred thousand dollars trade was made

1048
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 4: at five just before the market's closed, as in five pm.

1049
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 4: So someone's complaining to the watchdog that oversees the NZX.

1050
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: They are now assessing the trading in line with standard

1051
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 4: practice for trading around market sensitive announcements. Announcements and watch

1052
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: the space because now we're going to want to know

1053
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 4: is there something dodgy going on or was perfectly fine?

1054
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: Todd Stevenson next, and then our huddle standing by Newstalks atb.

1055
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Heather Duper Clan

1056
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 2: Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and us

1057
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: dogs at b there's a lot.

1058
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: The huddler standing by this evening, we've got David Barrett

1059
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: and Paddy Gower after six o'clock. Listen, we've just had

1060
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 4: the third damning report and to Cycle and Gabriel that's landed.

1061
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: This is this is having another look at Hawks Bay

1062
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: regional Councils, just how badly they stuffed this thing up.

1063
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 4: So we're going to go to Craig Little, the Mayor

1064
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: of wir Or, who's probably, I mean that probably the

1065
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: area that's been smacked around the most. We'll talk to

1066
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 4: him after six o'clock on the abuse in State Care report. Now,

1067
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: the report, as you know by now, has called on

1068
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: the government to apologize and the government is indicated will

1069
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: apologize in November, but it's also called on the Archbishop

1070
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: of Canterbury all my over in England to apologize, and

1071
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: also the Pope all my over in the Vatican. Now

1072
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: it just so happens that the Pope is going to

1073
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 4: be in our part of the world in September. He's

1074
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: going to East Timor which is probably the closest, but

1075
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 4: also PNG and Singapore and depending on how much pressure

1076
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: the Catholic Church comes under between now September on this

1077
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: particular matter, there is a tightly little chance that he

1078
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: may have to drop by here and say he's sorry.

1079
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 4: Twenty four away.

1080
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: From six hever du for c L.

1081
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: The ACT Party wants Health New Zealand staff to stop

1082
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: saying kutakia, which are prayers every single day. In eleeked

1083
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 4: email that was sent to Health New Zealand staff, the

1084
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 4: organization has encouraged them to incorporate prayers into their work,

1085
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: and has even sent them some videos to help them

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Speaker 4: learn some prayers. Todd Stevenson is the Act Party Health spokesperson.

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Speaker 19: Hey Todd, Hi, Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you. So who's been told to

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Speaker 4: do this? Are we talking about like at the frontline level?

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Speaker 4: Nurses and doctors and so on?

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Speaker 19: Yes, I mean this is an email that went out

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Speaker 19: to all our Health New Zealand staff and I should

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Speaker 19: say actually other government departments also been in contact employees.

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Speaker 19: Another game I've been in contacting today also.

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Speaker 3: Hear it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've got a text from somebody saying they

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Speaker 4: work at MB they are required to pray. Pray where else.

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Speaker 19: I've heard from the Ministry of Justice. If you look

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Speaker 19: at the website of a lot of the departments like FARMAC,

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Speaker 19: the Ministry of Maria Development, etcetera, they will have a

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Speaker 19: lot of information about correct here.

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Speaker 4: How do they justify this?

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Speaker 22: I don't know.

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Speaker 19: I mean, we've got two objections really here. Hither one

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Speaker 19: we actually want to culturally and religiously mutual public service.

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Speaker 19: But my other big issue too is we believe that

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Speaker 19: these prayers or rituals are actually a distraction from what

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Speaker 19: the public service should be doing.

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Speaker 4: What can you do about it other than sort of

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Speaker 4: just embarrass them for it? Is there anything you can

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Speaker 4: actually do?

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Speaker 22: Well?

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Speaker 19: Look, yeah, I'm obviously first to an acting calling it

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Speaker 19: out and saying look we want.

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Speaker 4: To yes, But Todd, you've got you've got a minister

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Speaker 4: like the deputy Prime Minister shortly running your party. So

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Speaker 4: what can you guys do? Can't you issue some sort

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Speaker 4: of a notice or something.

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00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 19: Look, I know that the Kbinet ministers are discussing that.

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Speaker 19: It's part of the coalition agreement was to actually give

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Speaker 19: some more guidance around how some of these things should

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Speaker 19: be interpreted and actually what the public service should be

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Speaker 19: focused on. I'll definitely be advocating for that, continue to

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Speaker 19: take that with an act, because yeah, we want to

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Speaker 19: make sure that public servants are actually delivered on the public, so,

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Speaker 19: you know, delivering the public services kiv's need.

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Speaker 4: So the only criticism that I've seen, I mean, you're

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Speaker 4: going to get a fair bit of criticism of this obviously,

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Speaker 4: but the most stinging criticism that I've seen is that

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Speaker 4: you can you can't really stop them doing a prayer

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Speaker 4: when you people do a prayer every time you sit

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Speaker 4: down to do parliament. Are you open to cutting that?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely personally, I've already got on the records saying

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Speaker 19: it's something I would like to look at, you know,

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Speaker 19: parliament and steeped lots of traditions and rituals. That's exactly

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Speaker 19: a ritual we have every day and I'm very hoping

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Speaker 19: to making that as an issue.

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Speaker 4: Todd, thank you very much, really appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 4: Todd Stevenson, who's the ACT Party Health spokesperson.

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Speaker 4: On the huddle with us this evening, We've got David

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00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 4: Farrer of KIWI Blog and Patty Gower, journalist, tell her

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Speaker 4: you too.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello David.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I can bring myself to this to

1147
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: read this report into what's happened to these cause it's

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Speaker 4: just too are you going to.

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Speaker 13: I don't know, but it made me reflect. I find

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Speaker 13: it hard to read the stories about it. Yeah, let

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00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 13: alone the report, but then think about the people who

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Speaker 13: lived through us and spent twenty years of to be

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Speaker 13: blunt cover ups in denial. I think we owe it

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Speaker 13: to them to try it. But like at some stage,

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Speaker 13: I want to go to outwits. Not because it will

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Speaker 13: be in any way a nice thing to do, but

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Speaker 13: when terrible things have happened, I think we do have

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Speaker 13: to force ourselves to confront them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what are you?

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Speaker 24: I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm actually reading it now. I've had

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Speaker 24: tears in my eyes just reading a part about the

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Speaker 24: way that some deaf people were treated in care, just

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Speaker 24: just one tiny, tiny bit, just terrible to think that

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Speaker 24: people who were born deaf were treated like that. And

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Speaker 24: Marx's graves. I did not know about the number of

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Speaker 24: unmarked graves that we've got around these there's not a

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Speaker 24: number on it. They're calling for an inquirer on it,

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Speaker 24: but it sounds like there's a lot of people buried

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Speaker 24: in unmarked graves around these places. I had never heard

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Speaker 24: of that, and you know that that is something that's

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Speaker 24: that's really frightening. They mentioned the porrua mental hospital. I

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Speaker 24: walk up around there with my dog sometimes there's obviously

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Speaker 24: unmarked graves up around there. So yeah, it's incredibly horring.

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Speaker 24: And for me personally as a Catholic, I'm ashamed by

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Speaker 24: what I read in here about what the priests have

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Speaker 24: done to my fellow Catholics in the church that I'm

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Speaker 24: a part of. I'm deeply, deeply ashamed by what I'm

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Speaker 24: reading in here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, David, I mean some of the stuff

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Speaker 4: that's that's in this report feel so archaic, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: like electric shocking kids with like the electrodes attached to

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Speaker 4: their genitols and and stripping them off in the middle

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Speaker 4: of the night and making them stand outside naked while

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Speaker 4: you hose them down, and putting them in solitary confinement

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Speaker 4: for hours, if not weeks in some cases on end.

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Speaker 4: But I wonder how much of this stuff is still

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Speaker 4: actually going on.

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Speaker 13: I would hope none, but some is stuff that happened

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Speaker 13: one hundred years ago. This happened after I was born.

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Speaker 13: This isn't the deep distant past. And you know some

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Speaker 13: of the stuff on the ECT. It was done without sedatives.

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Speaker 13: It was done to punish, not cure. Kids were given

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Speaker 13: injections as a form of punishment because they would hurt.

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Speaker 13: It is unthinkable, but happened. And one of the big

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Speaker 13: challenges for the government and its response in eric Isssanva's

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Speaker 13: leading there, is how do we ensure it doesn't happen again,

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Speaker 13: because we do need to have that assur can.

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Speaker 4: You though, Paddy, Because at the heart of it, right,

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Speaker 4: this is not I mean, this is basically bad people,

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Speaker 4: and bad people will find other people to do mean

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Speaker 4: things to and I don't how do you ever get

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Speaker 4: rid of that.

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Speaker 24: Well, decent systems can out bad people, and we just

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Speaker 24: did not have those systems in the state or in

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Speaker 24: our religious institutions. I mean, looking at this, fourteen percent

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Speaker 24: of clergy, so fourteen percent of priests have had allegations

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Speaker 24: against and that's basically well it's over one in ten.

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Speaker 24: So if you're someone like me, you know you had

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Speaker 24: a one in ten chance of coming into contact with

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Speaker 24: some sort of abuser while you were within the Catholic system.

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Speaker 24: You know that is shocking you. You know, you are

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Speaker 24: dicing with abuse literally, and I'm lucky and I count

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Speaker 24: myself lucky actually when you read this to get out

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Speaker 24: of a Catholic life without getting abused. And you know,

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Speaker 24: one of the most harrowing things in here is you

1216
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Speaker 24: know our chaps described going into prison and knowing everybody

1217
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Speaker 24: because they were all in state care. Now that's the

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Speaker 24: sort of thing that we've had to carry as a country.

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00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 24: This abuse has a cost to us, and that it's

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Speaker 24: filled up our prisons and we've got a deal with

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Speaker 24: all of that. That's that sort of cost to us

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Speaker 24: as a nation. So yeah, I think honestly that bad

1223
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Speaker 24: people will do bad things for other people. But it's

1224
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 24: a lot easier when you've got a system where you're

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Speaker 24: enabled to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you rooted out David. Here's the thing, right,

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Speaker 4: One of the recommendations is shut down ordering a tabriqui altogether.

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Speaker 4: If we do go down that path and we shut

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Speaker 4: it down, what do we replace it with, because we

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00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: still have to have some sort of a system to

1231
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: take kids away from parents who smash them.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think the state's role should be regulat tree

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00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 13: and quality and checking this doesn't happen. The trouble all

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Speaker 13: came because, of course the same people meant to be

1235
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Speaker 13: checking up where the ones running it. So I would

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Speaker 13: happily close that part of them down and have instead

1237
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Speaker 13: the government focus on licensing community providers, salvation army.

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Speaker 25: Religions.

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Speaker 13: You know, as long as you've got that independent checks

1240
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 13: for qualities are respective, can go in stays. But look,

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Speaker 13: I've been involved in politics for twenty five duty years.

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Speaker 13: I think every three years there's a review of what

1243
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 13: used to be ships or cyf or it's had ten

1244
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Speaker 13: different names, it's had ten reviews, and we just haven't

1245
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 13: got to where we need to be. So I think

1246
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 13: it is time to say, maybe the government can be

1247
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 13: good at some things, but actually looking after the most

1248
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Speaker 13: vulnerable isn't one of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we'll come back to these guys and

1250
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 4: just to tickets.

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Speaker 4: You're back with the Huddle, Patty Gower, David Farah, Patty,

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Speaker 4: what do you reckon? Should public servants be doing prayers

1255
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 4: as part of the daily routine.

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Speaker 24: Well, if you're talking about katakia, they aren't prayers for starters.

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Speaker 24: Kadakia is not a.

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Speaker 13: Prayer, yes it is.

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00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 24: No, it's not. It is not a prayer. No, it isn't.

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Speaker 24: Literally from kadakia is different from a prayer. It's not

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Speaker 24: the mighty word for prayer. Get on Google and check

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Speaker 24: it out.

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Speaker 4: And I learned the language to explain to me how

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Speaker 4: it's different.

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 24: It's it's it's like a prayer. You're not praying to

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Speaker 24: God or anything. You know, You're you're sort of saying, hey,

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Speaker 24: thanks to the youth's sunsea and sky situation.

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Speaker 4: You're praying to the earth. That's a prayer.

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Speaker 24: I'm not praying when I do a kadakia, i am

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Speaker 24: not praying. I'm doing a kadakir and I'm chill with it.

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Speaker 24: And do you know, do you know what I think

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Speaker 24: us talking about it is actually a bit of a

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Speaker 24: waste of time. The problems in the health system. I

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00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 24: couldn't get a doctor's appointment the other day, and that's

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00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 24: not because people are doing kadakia. That's because we don't

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Speaker 24: have enough GPS. The reason that we have got a

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 24: short for four thousand nurses is not because someone is

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00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 24: doing a kadakia somewhere. This guy Todd Stephenson from the

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Speaker 24: ACT Party should actually give up on this and go

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Speaker 24: to parliament and do some work. You actually do some work.

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Speaker 3: I did a.

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Speaker 4: Google like you told me to kadakia in Wikipedia. In

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Speaker 4: Maori religion, kakia are ritually used to cleanse the homes

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Speaker 4: of the deceased. And then the next head is the

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Speaker 4: University of Otago. Cut A kia are prayers. The next

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Speaker 4: one as the Taka Maldi Dictionary, which is my go

1287
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Speaker 4: to as you know, like a bit of a dodgy speaker.

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Speaker 4: Katakia verb to recite ritual chance, say grace, prayer, recite

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Speaker 4: a prayer. Next one cut a kia Katakia are prayers.

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Speaker 4: Next one Menicaw Institute of Technology. Cutakia are prayers. What

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Speaker 4: are you talking about, Patty? You can't rewrite what the

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Speaker 4: facts are.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 24: I just don't think of it as a prayer. It

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Speaker 24: can be used to describe.

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Speaker 4: It, Okay, what you think of it as you would

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Speaker 4: you ringing me some Donald Trump alternative facts.

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Speaker 24: Head, I don't give you an I don't think of

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Speaker 24: it as a prayer. I'm not praying through a religious species.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think of you as a human being,

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Speaker 4: but you are anyway, David carry Well, I should.

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Speaker 13: Just point out with your citing Wikipedia that I used

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Speaker 13: to win argument, would go to the Wikipedia on my

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Speaker 13: phone editor to reflect what high asserted, and then say,

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Speaker 13: let's go check Wikipedia.

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Speaker 4: It's only available to people like you who understand technology,

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Speaker 4: not the rest of us.

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Speaker 13: Look, Penny's right is not the most major issue, but

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Speaker 13: it's clearly spiritual. It's saying we believe there is a

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Speaker 13: spirit of the earth, a spirit of the year. Two. Well,

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Speaker 13: it's not the biggest issue. Is an appropriate for affect

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Speaker 13: killer public service? And yes, I also think the parliamentary

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Speaker 13: career should be changed free. I think it was ridiculous

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Speaker 13: we had Muslim MP's having to sit there. How Jesus

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Speaker 13: Christ was sighted than the house for example?

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Speaker 4: Yeah not cool? Okay, Patty, then tell me what your

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Speaker 4: weird takers today on JD Vance's Childless Crack at Kamala Harris, Well.

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Speaker 24: It's a dick Yeah, you've redeemed yourself. Am I back

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Speaker 24: on track? Yeah, if we got there, we got Petty

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Speaker 24: back on track.

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Speaker 4: You're forgiven. Yes, it is a dick movie.

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Speaker 24: Do you think I malfunctioned before.

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Speaker 26: Something very funny.

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Speaker 24: Do you think there was a Do you think there

1325
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 24: was a glitch?

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Speaker 27: And the teaching you know what I what I reckon

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 27: happen to you is that you know full well what

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Speaker 27: the right answer is, but you put yourself through the

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Speaker 27: Wokester machine and you had to do some mental contortions.

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Speaker 24: Do you think I got out of the work side.

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Speaker 4: I think you're terrified of not landing a job at

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Speaker 4: AAR and Z. And if they hear that you say

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Speaker 4: this stuff, you're not going to get it.

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Speaker 24: What I'm not going to get a jump on with

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Speaker 24: that last back, am I I ruled myself. I think

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Speaker 24: I ruled myself out for years of This might be

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Speaker 24: my last tadle. This is the last tattle.

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Speaker 4: But you've redeemed yourself with the second comment, David, you

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Speaker 4: get a crack at it.

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Speaker 13: Now we're allowed to agree disagree with Heather.

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Speaker 4: Actually, that's the secret rule of fight club you are

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Speaker 4: which don't try to encourage it.

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Speaker 13: Well, what's jade evan to defend them slightly? I believe

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Speaker 13: he said it three four years ago before he was

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Speaker 13: email senator. But Republicans are in pole position, they should win.

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Speaker 13: But anything will take them down. It's there overconfidence, their sneering,

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 13: derisory remarks about Kamala Harris at tea. It will allow

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Speaker 13: her to turn it into a referendum on woman's issues.

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Speaker 28: So he didn't say it your after she became the

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Speaker 28: presdential nominee that they've dug it up. But they do

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Speaker 28: have to be very careful because I think they think

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Speaker 28: after the convention, the shooting and Biden been obviously see

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Speaker 28: now that it was home and home.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and it's now competition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they do have to be careful. Guys. It is

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Speaker 4: so good to talk to you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Patty for tolerating me. That's Patty Gower, David Farrer,

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Speaker 4: the Huddle seven away from.

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Speaker 2: Six speaker on the iHeart app and in your car

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Speaker 2: on your drive home, Heather duple c Allen drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News talk as.

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Speaker 4: That be Hi, Heather, I'm saying a cutter care for you, Peter.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I'll tell you what somebody sent me a

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Speaker 4: text before said you have to you have to be

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Speaker 4: very careful. What you what kind of an early childhood

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Speaker 4: center you picked up? You child because they'll be doing kuterka.

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Speaker 4: And actually, funnily enough, today Iggy went to kindy and

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Speaker 4: they tried very hard to get him out of his

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Speaker 4: wet pants because he loves playing in the sandpit with

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Speaker 4: the hoes, and so he got himself completely drenched. And

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Speaker 4: how they got him to change his pants was that

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Speaker 4: they said to him he was able, he could come

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Speaker 4: and lead the katakir kai if he changed his pants,

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Speaker 4: and so he did because he is all about performance

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Speaker 4: and he wanted to lead the prayer. Today I found

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Speaker 4: out he was keen on leading the prayer and it

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Speaker 4: was a big day for him doing that. And I

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Speaker 4: don't have a problem with that, right because it's a kindy,

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Speaker 4: it's kids. They're teaching them to pray before a meal. Now,

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Speaker 4: it's like probably sounds like cognitive dissonance to you, but

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Speaker 4: I actual, being as I said earlier, identifying broadly as Christian,

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Speaker 4: actually don't mind him learning this kind of thing. But

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Speaker 4: this's me have been completely selfish. I'm like outsourcing to

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Speaker 4: the kindy, teach the child to pray before he eats.

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Speaker 4: Thanks very much, love it. But I think when you're

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Speaker 4: when you're in the professional workplace, as adults, and there

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Speaker 4: will be Look, there will be some parents who object

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Speaker 4: to it, and that's fine, and I don't mind if

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Speaker 4: they object to it. I am making the choice that

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Speaker 4: my child is able to go to a kindy where

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Speaker 4: they do a cut of care. I don't have a

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Speaker 4: problem with it. But if you're an adult in a workplace,

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Speaker 4: come on, we're not kids, right, You're not at Sunday school.

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Speaker 4: You should a not be forced to pray somebody else's

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Speaker 4: religion which happens to be mine. Being kind to you

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Speaker 4: and be also what a absolute waste of time everybody's time,

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Speaker 4: Like jeez, what got things to do anyway? Like the

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Speaker 4: doctors and nurses, right, like saving lives and stuff. Nothing

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Speaker 4: important the Olympic Games. I need to tell you about

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Speaker 4: this so you can put this in your diet, set

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Speaker 4: your alarm clock and stuff. We've obviously got the start

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Speaker 4: of the Olympic Games overnight, so we will be having

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Speaker 4: the live commentary on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio. If you

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Speaker 4: don't know where to go, We've got the football four

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Speaker 4: am you've got a pool game for the rugby sevens,

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Speaker 4: and then at seven am you've got a pool game

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Speaker 4: for the seven thirty. Sorry, you've got a pool game

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Speaker 4: for the rugby sevens. To be honest about, seven thirty

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Speaker 4: is the only one we're going to watch, right But

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Speaker 4: if you do want to watch the football boys and

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Speaker 4: you want to watch the rugby sevens, you go three

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Speaker 4: am and four am for you. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you realize this, but Snoop Dogg

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Speaker 4: is going to carry the Olympic torch in the opening

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Speaker 4: ceremony on Friday, is going to do one of the

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Speaker 4: last laps. It also happens to be one of the commentators,

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Speaker 4: like must be an alternative commentary thing or something, because

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Speaker 4: I don't think i'd let them loose on the main thing.

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Speaker 4: Do you create little of wire to our next news

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Speaker 4: talks at B.

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Speaker 2: You've been tracking where the money is flowing with the

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Speaker 2: business hour, we'd hand the duple Cyllen and my hr

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Speaker 2: on news Talks.

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Speaker 20: At B.

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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the next hour, looks like

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Speaker 4: the government might actually be up for pumping more money

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Speaker 4: and too Kiwibank to increase banking competition. We're going to

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Speaker 4: get you across that talk to Milford Asset Management about

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Speaker 4: that r V to takeover and also we'll go to

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Speaker 4: Sonya Cooper, who's a lawyer acting for many of the

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Speaker 4: victims in that abuse report. Seven past six now, a

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Speaker 4: third damning report of Hawke's Bay Regional Council's handling of

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Speaker 4: cyclone Gabriel has just landed today. It's found the council

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Speaker 4: was massively underprepared for potential flooding, underestimated risk, didn't consider

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Speaker 4: what had happened in the past with large floods in

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Speaker 4: order to prepare for future floods. The report also asks

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Speaker 4: why new housing was built in flood prone areas that

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Speaker 4: the cyclos or hundreds of homes flooded and eight people

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Speaker 4: killed by the way in the region last February. Craig

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Speaker 4: Little is the mayor of wide Or and with us now,

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Speaker 4: hey Craig, how are you going?

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Speaker 12: Very well?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Craig. It just feels like a series of

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 4: stuff ups, right, not just one, but like all along

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Speaker 4: the way they just kept on stuffing up and we

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Speaker 4: got to the point where eight people died.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it's a bit of a worry. You just sort

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01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 25: of start thinking, well, gosh, we need to look at

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Speaker 25: what's going on here.

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Speaker 4: So one of the things that surprised me the most

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Speaker 4: is that they have a flood risk place, so it

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Speaker 4: was a floodplain like the head of Tonga Planes, and

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Speaker 4: they haven't got any evacuation plans. Did that surprise you?

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Speaker 25: Look, I don't know much about the Hawk's Bay Group.

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 25: Obviously my job's wirel But look I'm not surprised to

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01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 25: all because there's a lot of things that we didn't

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Speaker 25: have any river protection work done before those cycling Gabriel

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Speaker 25: saw have done now. So yeah, we need to actually

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Speaker 25: go back to what our business as usual work is.

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Speaker 25: I think, rather than doing stuff it maybe isn't like

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Speaker 25: what Well, we need to go back to the fundamentals

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Speaker 25: of and one of the things is around flood protection,

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Speaker 25: looking after and ensuring people don't end up like wire

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Speaker 25: Or did the other day.

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Speaker 4: But are you saying that the council's being distracted by

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Speaker 4: other stuff other than its basic jobs.

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Speaker 25: Well, I think they probably haven't really concentrated on what

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Speaker 25: they should be doing. Look, it's my view only. I

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Speaker 25: just think, you know, simple things like wild Mouth was

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Speaker 25: just open it on time and I talk to locals.

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Speaker 25: Never happened.

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Speaker 4: So do these tasks if they're not going to do

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Speaker 4: them properly and im not going to Craig because we

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Speaker 4: had a flood last year in February, and then we

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Speaker 4: had a flood just a few weeks ago again and

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Speaker 4: the same kind of repeat of stuff is happening again.

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Speaker 4: So they're not going to do the job properly. Do

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Speaker 4: we take it off them and give it to somebody else?

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Speaker 25: Well, I guess that's the government decision to do. But look,

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Speaker 25: we're not happy with it because we feel like we're

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Speaker 25: not getting listened. We're small part of Hawk's Bay, but

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Speaker 25: I think we're as equal as everybody else and we

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Speaker 25: don't feel we are. And probably parts of Hawk's Bay,

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Speaker 25: there's no secret of it. They're not happy as well.

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Speaker 25: So if I was running that council, and I'm not,

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Speaker 25: I'd be thinking how can we make this better? And

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Speaker 25: this is a real damning report. It's a hard hitting report,

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Speaker 25: but guess what all those recommendations are business as usual

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Speaker 25: start and they should be thinking, well, actually we may

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Speaker 25: not have got it right here.

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Speaker 4: Hey, so you've gotten I mean, there's a false review

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Speaker 4: coming out, but it's a different review. It's a review

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Speaker 4: into what happened with the flooding that happened last month

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Speaker 4: with you guys, where are you at with that?

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Speaker 25: Okay, so Mike Bush is doing that, and I have

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Speaker 25: pretty you know, all confidents of media wonderful report on that,

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Speaker 25: so well defend stuff and whether they whether all those

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Speaker 25: recommendations are adopted, I'm not sure. But and time retells

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Speaker 25: for his report because I think, you know, if they

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Speaker 25: weren't adopted, well they should have been adopted and it

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Speaker 25: would have made Wire a lot bit of place under

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Speaker 25: a state of emergency. But yeah, it's just another one.

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Speaker 25: You know why I hate wasting money, you know, doing

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Speaker 25: all these reviews and reports and things like that. But

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Speaker 25: they've got to be done because obviously we're doing those

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Speaker 25: because we're not confident what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, telling them how to do their jobs. Craig, thank

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Speaker 4: you very much, appreciate it. Craig, a little wide or

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Speaker 4: is mayre. We've got more strike action, I'm sorry to

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Speaker 4: say from the Saint John Ambo staff. They're just not

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Speaker 4: getting the pay increase that they feel that they deserved.

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Speaker 4: So what they're doing, they've already done some strike action.

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Speaker 4: They're already you know, come peel back kind of on

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Speaker 4: some of the tasks that they're doing. They've added more.

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Speaker 4: Now there is now a total ban on ambulance stuff

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 4: helping hospital stuff by letting them, by letting the emergency

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 4: department stuff actually come into the ambulance, like when they

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01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 4: pull up at the ED, letting those stuff come into

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 4: the ambulance and treating the people there because they don't

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01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 4: have space in the hospital. Not total band on the

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01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 4: AMBO staff helping with that. Now there is a ban

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01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 4: on single crude ambulances transporting more than one patient at

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01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 4: a time. So if you've only got a one AMBO worker,

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 4: you've only got one patient. They are not going to

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01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 4: respond to low acuity callouts on Fridays, and then there's

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Speaker 4: a bunch of other paperwork stuff they're not going to

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Speaker 4: do as well. Twelve plus six.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

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Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 4: Hey, we all want to be the best, but not

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01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 4: all of us can say that we actually are the best.

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Speaker 4: One company though, that can proudly claim this. Accolators One

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Speaker 4: New Zealand. They have been named as having the best

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Speaker 4: mobile network in New Zealand. For Get this the third

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Speaker 4: year running. The award is handed out in May. It

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Speaker 4: was handed out by independent benchmarking organization called UMLAUT, which

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Speaker 4: tests and compares more than two hundred mobile networks worldwide,

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Speaker 4: and of the three major key we tell cos, One

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Speaker 4: New Zealand's mobile network is the one that formed the best.

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Speaker 4: They came out on top for voice and data, and

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Speaker 4: they also had the most reliable mobile network. And the

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Speaker 4: results are obviously good news for One New Zealand because

1544
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Speaker 4: they invest millions of dollars every single year into the network,

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Speaker 4: but it's really also good news for people like you

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Speaker 4: and I because we rely so heavily on our phones

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Speaker 4: for both work and personal use, and we need a

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Speaker 4: mobile network that keeps us connected. So if you'd like

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Speaker 4: then jump online and visit one dot NZ. Ever do

1551
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 4: for Cea Island nor Ford Asset Management on our veda

1552
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 4: very shortly. It's quarter past six. Now the government's dropping

1553
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 4: more hints that it's looking to find ways to inject

1554
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 4: more capital into Kiwibank, obviously to improve competition in the

1555
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,799
Speaker 4: banking sector. The Minister of State Owned Enterprises, Paul Goldsmith,

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 4: says the government is looking into it. Jane Tibshraney as

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Speaker 4: The Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us.

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Speaker 29: Now, how do you name hey?

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Speaker 4: Ever, So it's got a couple of options here, right

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 4: it can offer obviously inject the cash itself, this is

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Speaker 4: the government, or it can sell down part of its

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Speaker 4: share in Kiwibank. Which is the most likely? Do you think?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, that's right. Look, I can't say which one is

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Speaker 29: the most likely at the moment, but I think basically, well,

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 29: actually no, maybe I can, maybe I can speculate. As

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 29: we all know, the government is cutting costs, we have

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Speaker 29: a lot of debt, so the chances of it forking

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Speaker 29: out billions of dollars to put into to kmibank right

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 29: now probably is unlikely, particularly at a time we've got

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Speaker 29: people in the public sector losing their jobs, people crying

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01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 29: out for more funding for nurses, police, so on and

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Speaker 29: so on. Also, this government, I believe isn't as wedded

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Speaker 29: to the concept of QVI Bank being entirely government owned.

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Speaker 29: Now I've talked to Paul Goldsmith also Nichola Willis the

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Speaker 29: Finance Minister, and they are open minded as to how

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01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 29: to get more capital into Qvbank to enable it to grow.

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 29: Now before people think the government's going to rush out

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01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 29: and sell it to some foreign investors or something. I'm

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01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 29: not sure if that would happen. You know, there are

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Speaker 29: a lot of options, including, for example, selling part of

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 29: it back to the Superfund, for example, which which previously

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01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 29: owned a stake in Kiwibank. So I think that there

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 29: are a bunch of options, and something like that I

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 29: think could be quite quite workable.

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Speaker 4: If Superfund were to buy into it. Does the government

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Speaker 4: have any control over who's Superfund then on sells it

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Speaker 4: to if they want well that yeah.

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Speaker 29: Look, that is the key point, and that is an

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Speaker 29: issue that the previous labor government had because when Kiwibank

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 29: was owned by New Zealand Post ACC and the Superfund

1591
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 29: ACC and New Zealand Post wanted out, and the super

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Speaker 29: Fund said, that's okay, we'll buy your stakes on the

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Speaker 29: on the condition that if we want to sell out

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Speaker 29: at some point or we want to welcome capital from

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Speaker 29: private investors, then then we should be able to do that. Now,

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01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 29: Grant Robertson didn't like that idea, and that's why the

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Speaker 29: government ended up buying Kiwibank outright for two point one

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Speaker 29: billion dollars. You know, I think this government is showing

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Speaker 29: an increasing signs that it would be open to different options. Now,

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Speaker 29: Nichola Willis and Paul Goldsmith outright told me that Paul

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Speaker 29: Goldsmith also wrote has written to the kb Bank board saying,

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Speaker 29: come to me with options for how you think we

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01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 29: can grow KBI Bank. And also interestingly, the government is

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 29: the working on doing something different. It's working on writing

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 29: purpose statements for all the companies and enterprises that it owns. Now,

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 29: the Treasury reckons this is a valuable exercise because it

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 29: wants the government to put down on paper what exactly

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Speaker 29: is the point of owning enterprises. Now KI Bank is

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Speaker 29: at the top of the priority list for this exercise.

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Speaker 29: The Treasury has said, look, we're doing this. It doesn't

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Speaker 29: mean to say we're trying to assess, you know, what

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Speaker 29: to sell. But if it comes out that there is

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Speaker 29: no point owning some of these entities, including Kiwibank, the

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 29: government could potentially make a case to sell entertaining part

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Speaker 29: of it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, David Seymore's keen on that, Like, he's made it

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 4: quite clear that he wants to sell down some of

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Speaker 4: our assets. But how would the NATS feel about that.

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01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 29: Look at the moment, they are just saying they are open,

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Speaker 29: open minded and that they will assess the options. Now

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 29: that sounds like a boring answer, but I think it

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01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 29: is a significant answer because previously governments have said straight

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Speaker 29: up no. You know, they've said no. For example, Labor

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 29: Grant Robertson said no, Kiwi Bank is the Ziondine and

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 29: you know, government owned and that's how we're keeping it.

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Speaker 29: So I think this is a broader sort of piece

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Speaker 29: of work that will simmer away in the background. Paul

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Speaker 29: Goldsmith has said, now he's the Minister for State owned Enterprises,

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01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 29: that he wouldn't do anything drastic. Any big thing would

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01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 29: would be taken to the election and voters would would

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 29: have their say. But you could assume that this exercise

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Speaker 29: that's happening where they're doing these purpose statements, if those

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01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 29: come back and say why the heck do we own

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Speaker 29: this enterprise? You could assume they could go to the

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Speaker 29: next election and say, look, we're campaigning on selling it all.

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Speaker 21: We're selling part of it.

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Speaker 4: Music to my ears. I'm here for that.

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Speaker 13: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Janet tib Trainey The Herald's Wellington Business Center I've said

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Speaker 4: it before, I'll say it, I'll say it, I'll say

1641
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 4: it so many times until we finally sell down some

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01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 4: of these assets. You sell them down and to sell

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01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 4: the whole thing, sell forty nine percent. You've still got

1644
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 4: a controlling stake, but you sell down forty nine percent

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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 4: listed on the ins and X do whatever. I'll tell

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 4: you what. The performance improves amazingly. That's what happened to

1647
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 4: the power companies when we sold when John Key sold

1648
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 4: them immediately, like amazingly, performance just through the roof. Power

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 4: prices not even going up at the rate that they

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 4: used to. So how do you explain that? So I'm

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 4: all for it. Make these guys actually work properly. Why

1652
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 4: because government departments get distracted by doing things like prayers,

1653
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 4: but private enterprise just get on and make the money.

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 4: Six twenty one, everything from SME to the big corporates.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with headed Duplicy Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 4: Just a reminder on that abuse and care report. We're

1659
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 4: going to go to Sony Cooper, who's a lawyer who's

1660
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 4: been working for the victims for the very longest time.

1661
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 4: Shall be with us maybe fifteen minutes from now. It's

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01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 4: six twenty four. Jeremy Hetton of Milford Acid Managements with

1663
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 4: us a Jeremy Evening, Heather And it's been a busy

1664
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 4: start to the week on the NZX with those takeover offers.

1665
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 4: We've got the warehouse and we've got our Vida in

1666
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 4: play talk me through it.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, we had the warehouse yesterday, which our listeners, you know,

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01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 26: definitely what I've seen in the press, but also local

1669
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 26: retirement village operator r Vieta got a significant bid two

1670
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,600
Speaker 26: on Monday, and that bid came from a large infrastructure

1671
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 26: slash private equity investor called Stone Peak, and the offer

1672
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 26: was at a significant premium sixty five percent higher than

1673
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 26: the Friday clothes price, which you know, some investors will

1674
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 26: be pretty happy about, but it is still down from

1675
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 26: the stocks peak in mid twenty twenty one, you know,

1676
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 26: when the price was around two dollars ten, So some

1677
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 26: investors might be a little bit disappointed the price couldn't

1678
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 26: get back or wasn't given the chance to get back

1679
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 26: to this level. But it is highly likely that this

1680
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 26: deal at a dollar seventy goes through. You know, there

1681
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,879
Speaker 26: are limited conditions, you know, diligence and financing is complete

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01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 26: and there's just the OAO and a shareholder vote to occur.

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01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 26: So the company is expecting our completion in Q four

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01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 26: of this year.

1685
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 4: So what is it that these global private equity players

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01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 4: are seeing in the retirement sector that they think is

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01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 4: so attractive.

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: Interestingly, now, this is the second takeover offer of a

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 26: listed retirement player, following the MetLife Care deal in twenty twenty,

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01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 26: which was brought by another global private equity fund called

1692
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 26: EQT Capital. And we all know about the demogratic wave,

1693
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 26: the aging population that's coming through New Zealand, and retirement

1694
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 26: villages are pretty well established products now, they're well known,

1695
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 26: but the penetration still has room increase, so that gives

1696
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 26: quite a bit of growth in the sector. And these companies,

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 26: which private equity does really tend to like, and arguably,

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01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 26: you know, it's a good time to buy as well.

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 26: Valuations are attractive. The sector has been very depressed for

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01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 26: the past few years with the slow housing market, so

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01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 26: it's clear that some overseas investors are looking at New Zealand,

1702
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 26: they're seeing opportunities and perhaps they're calling the bottom even

1703
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 26: and seeing a good pathway up from here.

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01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as a result of this, obviously we've

1705
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 4: had some positive price reactions and the other retirement names

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01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,560
Speaker 4: as well. Do you reckon that's going to continue.

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 26: Yeah, it's hard to isolate solely if this is due

1708
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 26: to takeover offer. You know, some of the more under

1709
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 26: pressuous sectors on the insietex like retail, construction, retirement. You know,

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01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 26: they've all rarey really strongly post the rbnz's dub A

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 26: statement two weeks ago, but this takeover news is likely

1712
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 26: given a list of Peers retirement Peers another leg up

1713
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 26: and Oceania, which is the smallest retirement name, is up

1714
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 26: a whopping forty seven percent so far this month. The

1715
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 26: larger pairs Rhym and Somerset it both but pretty sharply

1716
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 26: as well. But I think this is an example again

1717
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 26: of the market moving share prices ahead of financial results.

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 26: I think the results for the sector will be still

1719
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 26: pretty depressed for the next six to twelve months, but

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01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 26: the sector does have a strong link to house prices

1721
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 26: and health sentiment and activity, so the potential interest rate

1722
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 26: cups will help eventually. So it feels like a little

1723
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 26: bit of a relief rally for now, but the takeover

1724
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 26: interest has shown the market that valuations had fallen a

1725
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 26: bit too much perhaps, and there are some good deals out.

1726
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 4: There, good stuff. Hey, Jeremy, thanks for talking us through.

1727
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 4: Jeremy Hutton of Milford Asset Management. Hither that's the problem

1728
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 4: with the public sector. Most of them are trying to

1729
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 4: figure out how to do as little as possible and

1730
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 4: how to get paid the most for them. They're being

1731
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 4: backed by the unions to do it. Sony Cooper's next

1732
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 4: with us on this abuse, abuse and Care inquiry, and

1733
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 4: then we're off to the UK to check in with

1734
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 4: how things are going ahead of Paris. Paris and Olympics

1735
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 4: are kicking off overnight a three am set your alarm headlines. Next,

1736
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: that's the East.

1737
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1738
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my Hr,

1739
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sm us Talk said Buck, thanks

1740
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: darnay myself.

1741
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 4: Like I said yesterday, I said I was going to

1742
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 4: watch the Trump golf thing. I've watched the Trump golf thing.

1743
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 4: We're going to chat about this and just a tick

1744
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 4: we're going to go to the UK also in about

1745
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 4: ten minutes. I don't know if you realizes I certainly

1746
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 4: didn't realize this until just recently. It's the biggest military

1747
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 4: deployment since World War II in Paris at the moment

1748
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 4: to be able to deal with all the you know,

1749
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: all the kind of logistics and stuff around the games.

1750
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 4: K Oliver is going to talk us through that. Now

1751
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 4: here's the thing for you, right, do you want to

1752
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 4: know why why there was that drop and trust in

1753
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 4: police in that survey a few weeks ago. This is

1754
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 4: an exact sample of why people have less trust than

1755
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 4: the police.

1756
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Right.

1757
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 4: Yesterday afternoon, a couple of guys went into the liquor

1758
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 4: land in Koe Mhrama in Auckland. Nice part of Auckland,

1759
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 4: like really expensive, nice part of Auckland. They walk in,

1760
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 4: they try to take a couple of bottles from the shelves,

1761
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 4: and then they leave. One of the guys actually gets away.

1762
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 4: He's got a couple of bottles of waters. That's a

1763
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 4: dud theft, doesn't it. I mean you just get that

1764
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 4: out of the tap. So it didn't pick very well there,

1765
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 4: but also took off with the bottle of vodka much

1766
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 4: more successful. But the second guy, the staff grab him

1767
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 4: and hold him down and they call the cops. Cops

1768
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 4: don't come for almost an hour and a half. They

1769
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: first call one one one at four o'clock. The cops

1770
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 4: only arrive after five point thirty and on the phone

1771
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: while these guys like, hey, we've got this guy, we've

1772
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 4: got him pinned down. The cops on the phone say

1773
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 4: let him go, but they don't let him go. They

1774
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 4: hold on to him for an hour and a half

1775
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 4: and they've gave him some water and some food, and

1776
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 4: he was pretty he was pretty peaceful and sort of

1777
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 4: went with it. When the police finally arrived, they said

1778
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 4: it again. They said, next time, oh my overhere, does

1779
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 4: it let him go because he could have a weapon,

1780
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 4: which is fair enough. According to the owner, this is

1781
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 4: the third time that the store has been robbed this year.

1782
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 4: He says, people just walk in, just pick up things,

1783
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 4: and they walk out. As long as police continue to

1784
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 4: treat this kind of offending as a non issue, unfortunately,

1785
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 4: people will continue to do that in a store like

1786
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 4: this and every other store. They just go in help

1787
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 4: themselves like it's some sort of a freebe and then

1788
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 4: they'll just walk out because they know that they can

1789
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 4: get away with it because the police don't deal with it.

1790
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 4: Now I understand this is not really I mean, I

1791
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,560
Speaker 4: feel bad for the police, but it's not really a

1792
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 4: police problem. Like it's not their problem. They're not they

1793
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 4: don't care. It's not like they don't care. They do care.

1794
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 4: They're understaffed, but jeez, they're gonna have to fix that

1795
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 4: because this is the basic stuff that you need from

1796
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 4: your police and if you don't get it, start to

1797
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 4: lose confidence. Twenty three away from seven.

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01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: Heather do for CLA.

1799
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 4: So back to the biggest of end of the day,

1800
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 4: the Royal Commissions report into the horrific and long lasting

1801
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 4: abuse of children, young people and adults in state care

1802
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,839
Speaker 4: and also faith based institutions. Earlier we spoke with Erica Stanford,

1803
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 4: who's the Minister in charge of the government's response to

1804
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 4: the report.

1805
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 20: The first thing we have to do is get the

1806
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 20: redressed part underway and and completed as quickly as we

1807
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 20: can the Crown response. So the Commission report has said

1808
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 20: that we need to prioritize redress and that is what

1809
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 20: we were doing. We're taking a number of cablet papers

1810
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 20: and we have decisions by the end of the year.

1811
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 4: Could cost us a lot of money in well.

1812
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 20: As a Prime minister said today, we're not thinking about that.

1813
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 20: First principles, what's the right thing to do, what are

1814
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 20: the right systems and process to set up to get there,

1815
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 20: and then we will think about that later.

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Speaker 4: Lawyers, Son, your Cooper has been acting on behalf of

1817
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 4: abuse survivors and also have evidence at the Royal Commissioners

1818
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 4: with us right now. Hey sonya, hey god, I'm very well.

1819
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 4: Thank you. Have you spoken to any of the victims

1820
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 4: about today?

1821
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 30: I only kicked worth and to be honest, because I've

1822
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 30: spent most of the day being briefed on the report

1823
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 30: and doing media interviews, and of course I was actually

1824
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 30: down at Parliament this afternoon for pretty much the whole

1825
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 30: of the afternoon, you know, listening to the presentation in Parliament,

1826
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 30: which was really moving, I have to say, And yeah,

1827
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 30: I think watching survivors respond there with hope, and I

1828
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 30: guess that's that's the feeling that I've been they are

1829
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 30: hopefully left with I guess they you know, we'll wait

1830
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 30: and see whether that actually turns out to be anything.

1831
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 30: You know, there were a lot of promises made today,

1832
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 30: but then there have been lots of promises made in

1833
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 30: the past, and I just really hope that this time

1834
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 30: we actually get something concrete.

1835
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: In terms of the redress. What kind of redress are

1836
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 4: they wanting. Are they wanting, you know, to be provided

1837
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 4: with education, housing, the kinds of things that they missed

1838
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 4: out on, or they wanting direct compo payments.

1839
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 30: Well, redress needs to be both, and that's an international

1840
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 30: obligation that we have. So it needs to cover first compensation,

1841
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 30: which is the money side of it. And today compensation,

1842
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 30: particularly from the state's been really poor. I mean, you know,

1843
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 30: we're starting at kind of two thousand dollars from the

1844
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 30: Ministry of Health and then you know up to nine

1845
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 30: thousand dollars, which is the top in terms of the

1846
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 30: Ministry of Health system unless you were in the Lake

1847
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 30: Elise adolescent unit. And then the Ministry is Social Development,

1848
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 30: where you might have spent pretty much your entire life

1849
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 30: and care. The average payment there is only twenty thousand dollars.

1850
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 30: Ministry of Educations lower than that, and again you might

1851
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 30: have spent quite a long time in the Ministry of

1852
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 30: Education residential school and suffered absolutely horrendous abuse. The churches

1853
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 30: are doing a lot better, I have to say, they've

1854
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 30: actually listened to the Royal Commission. They've listened to the

1855
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 30: questions that have been put to them. They've modified on

1856
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 30: the whole except of the Catholics. They've modified their processes

1857
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 30: so they're more trauma informed. They're actually accepting survivors accounts

1858
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 30: of what happened to them, and they're paying what I

1859
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 30: think is more reasonable compensation. So you know, from fifty

1860
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 30: thousand dollars right through to two hundred thousand dollars if

1861
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 30: you were at Dilworth, for example, Whereas the state is

1862
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 30: to say you're probably lucky to get thirty thousand dollars,

1863
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 30: you know, if you're really lucky, you might get fifty

1864
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 30: or sixty thousand dollars. And the highest payments that we've negotiated,

1865
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 30: I mean, I think the highest payment I negotiated was

1866
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 30: back in two thousand and two, and that was like

1867
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 30: one hundred and forty thousand dollars, but the client had

1868
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 30: to pay quite a big chunk of that back to

1869
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 30: legal aid. And you know, since then, I think the

1870
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 30: highest payments that have negotiated have been eighty or ninety thousand,

1871
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 30: but those have only been clients who claims have been

1872
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 30: on a track to you know, our formal trial hearing

1873
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 30: and where we've had lots of evidence and they've known,

1874
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,799
Speaker 30: we've had lots of witnesses who've been able to support

1875
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 30: the claims. But as I say, the majority get around

1876
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 30: twenty thousand if they're lucky a little bit more than that.

1877
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 30: So state redress has been and continues to be really poor.

1878
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 30: You know, we know from actual area reports, and again

1879
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 30: it's in the Royal Commission's report that the actual loss

1880
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 30: suffered over the lifetime of a survivor is something between

1881
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 30: maybe you know, four hundred thousand dollars at the lowest

1882
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 30: right through to about nine hundred thousand dollars. And I

1883
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 30: think the actual area reports say that eight or nine

1884
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 30: hundred thousand dollars is about the actual economic loss of

1885
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 30: a survivor over the course of their lifetime. So we've

1886
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 30: got to see this really as an investment rather than

1887
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 30: a cost because you know, actually there's that compensation part,

1888
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 30: but there's also to provide and survivors with all the

1889
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 30: things that they have actually missed out on due to

1890
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 30: the losses that they've suffered due to their abuse. So

1891
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 30: that is their loss of education, it's the loss of

1892
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 30: their money, it's disconnection with FARO, it's drug and alcohol abuse,

1893
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 30: it's even things like cattoos. So yeah, all of that

1894
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 30: is absolutely vital if we're going to offer proper redress.

1895
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 4: Sonya, I don't have a lot of time, but I

1896
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 4: just want to ask you this because I've got a

1897
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 4: lot of text from people as we've discussed this through

1898
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 4: the program, asking what's going to happen to the perpetrators,

1899
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 4: like are we actually going to find these people and

1900
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 4: punish them?

1901
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 30: Well, look been tasked with that. I think from our perspectives,

1902
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 30: our clients actually don't really trust the police because they've

1903
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 30: had really negative experiences through the criminal justice system. So

1904
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 30: asking them to complain and you know, end up in

1905
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 30: police processes is a really big ask. Some of them

1906
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 30: are doing it, and I mean we've assisted quite a

1907
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 30: few clients to actually successfully prosecute some of their pett

1908
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 30: you know, perpetrators, but a lot just you know, like

1909
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 30: it's traumatic enough without actually being asked to go through

1910
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 30: a criminal process. Given as to say that a lot

1911
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 30: of them are being victimized through the criminal justice system themselves.

1912
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 30: But yeah, I think one of the things that I

1913
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 30: do want to say is, like the report says that

1914
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 30: a lot of people have to make formal apologies. And

1915
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 30: I'm really really pleased to see that the officials who

1916
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,879
Speaker 30: are responsible for the organizations that have perpetrated or abuse

1917
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 30: or haven't been properly accountable or locked after those who

1918
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 30: are in their care are being asked to step up

1919
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 30: and say sorry. And that includes our solaces general, you know,

1920
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 30: it includes all the officials from that cort Ango, Tamadiki

1921
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 30: and the Ministry of Social Development and Education and Health

1922
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 30: and it's about time that they actually stepped up and

1923
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 30: said sorry for their part in this abysmal failure on

1924
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 30: the part of the state and safe based organizations. I mean,

1925
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 30: it goes as far as asking the Pope to make

1926
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 30: an apology, which I think is again it's entirely a program.

1927
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, get them over here. Hey Sonya, thanks very much,

1928
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 4: appreciate it. That's so on your Cooper, who's a lawyer

1929
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 4: who's been acting on palf of abuse survivors right now

1930
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 4: coming up quarter.

1931
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Too, scrunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

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Speaker 2: Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME on us talksb and.

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Speaker 4: With me right now to the UK. We've got kol Of,

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Speaker 4: our correspondent. Heyk Hello, Heather, Okay, explain to me why

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Speaker 4: it is that we have there's this mess of troop

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Speaker 4: deployment at the moment for the Olympics.

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Speaker 22: Well, it's obviously the biggest military deployment since World War

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Speaker 22: Two in Paris, and it seems they are going to

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Speaker 22: be around forty thousand personnel looking out for signs of

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Speaker 22: things that could go wrong. Obviously, they're going to have

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Speaker 22: millions of people in that city and they're looking for

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Speaker 22: their concerns being raised over Islamic terrorists, cyber attacks and Russia,

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Speaker 22: and they are keeping very much a careful eye. But

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Speaker 22: they're going to have drones up, They're going to have

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Speaker 22: divers in the Seine where the opening ceremony is taking

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Speaker 22: place on Friday. It's all to make security top of

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Speaker 22: the agenda. They want this to go. Well, you're going

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Speaker 22: to have ten thousand, more than ten thousand athletes. They're

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Speaker 22: competing in three hundred and twenty nine events for the

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Speaker 22: actual Olympics, which are opening on Friday, as I said,

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Speaker 22: and then you've got the Paralympics commencing on August of

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Speaker 22: twenty eight until sept the eighth, with another five thousand

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Speaker 22: athletes competing, so it's going to be a busy time

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Speaker 22: top security, and also there are warnings already for the

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Speaker 22: people going into Paris to watch out for these taxi

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Speaker 22: scams where people are going to be met at the

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Speaker 22: airports and railway stations and they could find themselves paying

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Speaker 22: out an awful lot of euros for being transported to

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Speaker 22: the game. So this is very much a big operation

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Speaker 22: and we all obviously hope that it's going to go

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Speaker 22: very well for Paris.

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Speaker 4: What about your dressers champion, I mean, that's a shocker

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Speaker 4: that she's basically had to withdraw.

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Speaker 22: Well, absolutely, this is a six times Olympic champion, Charlotte Dujardin,

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Speaker 22: and video has now emerged four years ago at a

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Speaker 22: training session where she's allegedly seen mistreating a horse. That's

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Speaker 22: obviously come up to the attention of the International Federation

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Speaker 22: for the Equestrian Sports Teams Sports Society and they've actually

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Speaker 22: given her a six months ban, and Charlotte has said

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Speaker 22: this is completely out of character for her and doesn't

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Speaker 22: reflect on how she trains her horses. But obviously she

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Speaker 22: was going to be in parish. She was going to

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Speaker 22: be in individual and team events and she has withdrawn.

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Speaker 22: She will not be taking part in the Paris Olympics,

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Speaker 22: and she has obviously she's a six times champion. She

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Speaker 22: got two gold medals in London in twenty twelve, she

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Speaker 22: got another one in Rio in twenty sixteen, so this

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Speaker 22: is really really untimely news for her and she's out

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Speaker 22: for six months while these investigations take place into what

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Speaker 22: basically is an animal welfare issue.

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Speaker 4: You're too right, hey, I say that the rules are

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Speaker 4: making a bit of coin at the moment, aren't they.

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Speaker 22: Well, absolutely, the Crown Estate profits have topped one billion pounds,

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Speaker 22: it's been announcing their annual reports, so that basically means

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Speaker 22: that the taxpayer funded sovereign grant will now jump to

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Speaker 22: one hundreds thirty two million for the year twenty twenty

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Speaker 22: five to twenty six. And it's interesting, Heather, because it

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Speaker 22: kind of this spells out how the Royals spend their money.

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Speaker 22: And we've been hearing about new solar panels that Winsor

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Speaker 22: Castle that the King will be getting, probably his state

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Speaker 22: Bentley converted to run on biofuel. They're going to be

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Speaker 22: two new helicopters delivered and the fleet of electric cars

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Speaker 22: the roles use. They will now probably be looking at

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Speaker 22: electric cars. So it's a very interesting list that we

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Speaker 22: see how this money is spent and it does seem

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Speaker 22: that they have had a bumper year.

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Speaker 4: Well you know, you know it's a good year when

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Speaker 4: you know you get two helicopters, not just the one.

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Speaker 4: K Thank you, k Oliver, UK correspondent. Right, I'll get

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Speaker 4: you across Trump's golf next day, nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for SMAs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Donald Trump's golf. Donald Trump likes to talk about

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Speaker 4: how awesome he is at golf. I'm going to shock

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Speaker 4: you by saying he sucks a little bit. So he's like,

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Speaker 4: parts of his game is awesome, but weird. Awesome but weird,

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Speaker 4: but parts of his game really suck badly. So because

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Speaker 4: now we know this because he's played against Bryson Deshambeau

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Speaker 4: who's ranked ninth in the world and puts it up

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Speaker 4: on the YouTube channel and stuff. So Trump has got

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Speaker 4: a really weird driving style where he it's like, technically

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Speaker 4: it's a pretty great I mean, like a bear in

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Speaker 4: mind that I am telling you this. I don't even

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Speaker 4: have a handicap. I don't even know what I'm doing right.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I go out with some sticks and I hit

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Speaker 4: the ball right. I have no idea. He's got a

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Speaker 4: really good driving style, but he lunges at the ball

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Speaker 4: and throws his weight forward when he's doing it so

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Speaker 4: much that when he's completed the drive, he then has

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Speaker 4: to take a step just to kind of. If he doesn't,

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Speaker 4: he's going to fall over forwards. Having said that, despite

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Speaker 4: his weird style, he still manages to beat Bryson Deshambeau

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Speaker 4: on one hole.

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Speaker 7: I think you might be closer.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 10: Hush?

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Speaker 6: Who'sh closer?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, what a shot?

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Speaker 4: Nice? But his putting sucks so badly. I don't reckon

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Speaker 4: I have ever seen anybody put this badly. I am

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Speaker 4: honestly not exaggerating. You need to go and have a

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Speaker 4: look at it.

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Speaker 22: You know.

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Speaker 4: Normal thing when you're putting is you sort of you

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Speaker 4: pup through the ball. It's a nice gentle stroke, pup

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Speaker 4: through the ball and send it off on its little

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Speaker 4: little course. Into the hole right, Not Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 4: Donald J. Trump sort of goes at it and then

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Speaker 4: at the last minute he just wacks it. So he'll

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Speaker 4: sort of like start off perfectly and back whack the ball.

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Speaker 4: Have a listener, But and missus. Every single putt that

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Speaker 4: I watched.

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Speaker 18: Go go short, short, could be get in there, get in,

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Speaker 18: get in to the left.

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Speaker 8: Break old and break to the left, to the left,

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Speaker 8: not much.

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Speaker 4: Not to the left, all of them, all of them,

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Speaker 4: go to the left. You've got to go and see

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Speaker 4: his put His putting is like if Ants have you

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Speaker 4: played golf.

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Speaker 31: I was about to say that, if you had seen

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Speaker 31: me play mini golf down at Holy Moley. Sometimes I think,

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Speaker 31: but he was the former president. I've never played proper golf.

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Speaker 4: No, no, grown up golf. Okay, it's like if we

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Speaker 4: gave Ants a putter and made him go put That's

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Speaker 4: what it was like. Was horrific.

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Speaker 31: Yeah, No, I was about to say that. Actually, when

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Speaker 31: you say, no one puts that badly, I was like, no,

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Speaker 31: I feel like I'd challenge the president for my poor

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Speaker 31: putting than that.

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 31: Celine Dion the Power of the Dream to play us out. Tonight,

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Speaker 31: she performed this song at the nineteen ninety six Atlanta

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Speaker 31: Olympics opening ceremony, and according to Variety, she might do

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Speaker 31: it at the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics as well,

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Speaker 31: because they reckon she's on the bill. This has not

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Speaker 31: been officially announced at all, but we do know that

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Speaker 31: she is staying in a hotel in Paris, the same

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Speaker 31: hotel actually as Lady Gaga, but again no idea whether

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Speaker 31: either of them might be in the Olympics. Way, keep

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Speaker 31: an eye out of.

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Speaker 4: It'll just be in the audience. But answers she got

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Speaker 4: over that stiff person thing.

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Speaker 31: That this would be her first performance since she was

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Speaker 31: diagnosed with stiff person syndrome. If she were to do it,

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Speaker 31: and were based on that documentary that came out recently,

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Speaker 31: she basically singing is hell for her while doing it,

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Speaker 31: So if she does suit up for it, that would

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Speaker 31: suggest that she is getting through at least those symptoms from.

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Speaker 4: It, getting through or pushing through. And thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to Selena. How good is that? Snoop

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Speaker 4: Dogg and Selene in one big show? Awesome, see you

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Speaker 4: tomorrow and New Stork Z'd be.

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