1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:19,213 Speaker 2: Been talking about burnout after an article in the New 4 00:00:19,293 --> 00:00:22,373 Speaker 2: Zealand Herald. It was written by well being Coached Nicki Sylvesta. 5 00:00:22,733 --> 00:00:24,933 Speaker 2: Nicki has been listening and she's actually given us a 6 00:00:24,933 --> 00:00:27,093 Speaker 2: call and she's on the line now. Very good afternoon, Nicki. 7 00:00:27,213 --> 00:00:28,972 Speaker 3: Hi, how are you very good? 8 00:00:29,053 --> 00:00:33,853 Speaker 4: Thanks? Niki. So in your article you say that burnout 9 00:00:34,173 --> 00:00:35,413 Speaker 4: peaks at this time of year. 10 00:00:35,533 --> 00:00:36,013 Speaker 1: Why is that? 11 00:00:36,053 --> 00:00:39,053 Speaker 4: Why does Berner seem to hit hardest just before the holidays. 12 00:00:39,813 --> 00:00:43,133 Speaker 3: It's because we've got this massive rush put on ourselves 13 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:45,333 Speaker 3: and there's so much stress around wanting to get everything 14 00:00:45,412 --> 00:00:47,772 Speaker 3: fixed and finished, and everything is completed before the end 15 00:00:47,772 --> 00:00:49,613 Speaker 3: of the year so that you can kind of forget 16 00:00:49,613 --> 00:00:51,532 Speaker 3: about it, instart the UNIU fresh again. For what that 17 00:00:51,693 --> 00:00:55,453 Speaker 3: does is that creates a whole massive amounts of prolonged 18 00:00:55,453 --> 00:00:59,133 Speaker 3: stressed and which shows up as overwhelm, drained and feeling 19 00:00:59,173 --> 00:01:00,693 Speaker 3: unable to meet the content to arms. 20 00:01:01,653 --> 00:01:03,493 Speaker 4: And the other thing one of the other things you 21 00:01:03,533 --> 00:01:08,572 Speaker 4: talk about is treating rest is as refueling as as 22 00:01:08,573 --> 00:01:11,493 Speaker 4: opposed to reward. Can can you sort of took us 23 00:01:11,493 --> 00:01:12,253 Speaker 4: through that concept. 24 00:01:13,053 --> 00:01:15,173 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, So when you're going through these sorts of things, 25 00:01:15,212 --> 00:01:16,932 Speaker 3: everyone kind of have this kind of mindset that they're 26 00:01:16,932 --> 00:01:19,012 Speaker 3: going to take some time out once they've completed the 27 00:01:19,053 --> 00:01:21,453 Speaker 3: task that they need to do, either finish the week 28 00:01:21,453 --> 00:01:23,292 Speaker 3: that they need to get done or the stresses that 29 00:01:23,292 --> 00:01:26,573 Speaker 3: they've got going on at home. But in order to 30 00:01:26,613 --> 00:01:29,253 Speaker 3: reach those targets that you want to reach, you kind 31 00:01:29,253 --> 00:01:30,573 Speaker 3: of need to have the rest to be able to 32 00:01:30,613 --> 00:01:33,572 Speaker 3: have the skills and the capabilities to actually be able 33 00:01:33,572 --> 00:01:36,813 Speaker 3: to do it. So we need to stop looking at 34 00:01:36,973 --> 00:01:39,773 Speaker 3: trusts and sworry. We need to stop looking at rest 35 00:01:39,773 --> 00:01:41,652 Speaker 3: as being something that's going to be a nice to 36 00:01:41,652 --> 00:01:43,453 Speaker 3: have once it's completed the task that we need to do. 37 00:01:43,493 --> 00:01:45,732 Speaker 3: We want, I need to get onto the rest now 38 00:01:45,853 --> 00:01:48,293 Speaker 3: so we can actually get those tasks done now. 39 00:01:48,293 --> 00:01:51,853 Speaker 4: It's interesting like historically speaking, people you know, took the 40 00:01:51,853 --> 00:01:54,253 Speaker 4: Sabbath off. You know, it's in the it's in the 41 00:01:54,293 --> 00:01:57,213 Speaker 4: Ten Commandments, and it seems like in the past there 42 00:01:57,293 --> 00:02:00,333 Speaker 4: was more of a focus on weekends actually being weekends 43 00:02:00,373 --> 00:02:03,613 Speaker 4: and family and friends time. Do you think that's a 44 00:02:03,773 --> 00:02:06,813 Speaker 4: that's a problem now that no one ever really takes 45 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:09,733 Speaker 4: a full day off where they don't think about work 46 00:02:09,773 --> 00:02:11,973 Speaker 4: at all. They don't they don't check their phone, they 47 00:02:11,973 --> 00:02:13,613 Speaker 4: don't check their emails. Do you think do you think 48 00:02:13,653 --> 00:02:14,133 Speaker 4: that's a problem? 49 00:02:14,213 --> 00:02:19,972 Speaker 3: Looky, absolutely, I think that. I think since COVID people 50 00:02:20,013 --> 00:02:21,532 Speaker 3: we're working from home a lot more, we've sort of 51 00:02:21,573 --> 00:02:23,693 Speaker 3: become a lot more aliant on the ability to have 52 00:02:23,733 --> 00:02:25,572 Speaker 3: being more flexible and where we work, how we work, 53 00:02:25,613 --> 00:02:28,852 Speaker 3: and the demands and when people can be reached at work. 54 00:02:28,972 --> 00:02:32,013 Speaker 3: So the ability to actually switch off now has sort 55 00:02:32,013 --> 00:02:35,972 Speaker 3: of been eroded and you're constantly checking for emails. You know, 56 00:02:36,093 --> 00:02:37,972 Speaker 3: you hear opinion on your pain, so order three that 57 00:02:38,093 --> 00:02:40,573 Speaker 3: to what that fus and then you're sort of responding, 58 00:02:40,853 --> 00:02:45,013 Speaker 3: never given yourself that opportunity to actually switch off and reset. It. 59 00:02:45,493 --> 00:02:48,732 Speaker 2: Interesting. So the idea of burnout and you mentioned they're 60 00:02:48,733 --> 00:02:51,133 Speaker 2: the symptoms you're going to look at, but you know, 61 00:02:51,213 --> 00:02:54,733 Speaker 2: to my mind anyway, it's kind of this nebulous term 62 00:02:54,853 --> 00:02:58,093 Speaker 2: that can be a bit vague, and what is actually 63 00:02:58,173 --> 00:03:01,093 Speaker 2: fatigue or tiredness and what has burnout? So what do 64 00:03:01,173 --> 00:03:03,853 Speaker 2: people need to look at I look out for to 65 00:03:03,893 --> 00:03:06,453 Speaker 2: determine whether they might be getting close to actual burnout? 66 00:03:07,453 --> 00:03:09,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, so for me, I would suggest that they start 67 00:03:09,573 --> 00:03:12,773 Speaker 3: looking at how exhausted they feel. If they're constantly feeling depleted, 68 00:03:13,133 --> 00:03:15,493 Speaker 3: they've got no energy, they're feeling fatigued, no matter how 69 00:03:15,573 --> 00:03:18,733 Speaker 3: much sleep they're getting, they're just not feeling like themselves. Still, 70 00:03:19,613 --> 00:03:21,453 Speaker 3: if they're starting to feel a little bit like they're 71 00:03:21,453 --> 00:03:24,692 Speaker 3: withdrawing in their normal everyday environments and what they're actually 72 00:03:24,693 --> 00:03:27,213 Speaker 3: taking joy out and what they're doing, or they're feeling 73 00:03:27,252 --> 00:03:31,253 Speaker 3: constantly negative about work or what they're spending time with 74 00:03:31,293 --> 00:03:35,053 Speaker 3: them especially family, and also if they're finding it hard 75 00:03:35,093 --> 00:03:38,213 Speaker 3: to really concentrate, really feeling like the equality of work's 76 00:03:38,213 --> 00:03:40,813 Speaker 3: really dropped off, I would suggest that those are really 77 00:03:40,813 --> 00:03:42,693 Speaker 3: big signs that they need to be looking out for. 78 00:03:42,813 --> 00:03:43,693 Speaker 3: On tend to burnout. 79 00:03:45,613 --> 00:03:49,933 Speaker 4: There's I'm trying to form this idea in my head 80 00:03:50,293 --> 00:03:54,973 Speaker 4: around this, And you know, historically, when people were working, 81 00:03:55,333 --> 00:03:58,173 Speaker 4: it was very much aligned with what they were doing. 82 00:03:59,053 --> 00:04:01,133 Speaker 4: You could easily equate that to how it helped your 83 00:04:01,133 --> 00:04:04,213 Speaker 4: family and how it helped your life. But we now 84 00:04:04,293 --> 00:04:07,093 Speaker 4: have our jobs are kind of distant from that, so 85 00:04:07,133 --> 00:04:10,093 Speaker 4: we can't necessarily see the awards. Is there a way 86 00:04:10,093 --> 00:04:12,493 Speaker 4: to change your perspective so you can be grateful for 87 00:04:12,573 --> 00:04:15,533 Speaker 4: your job. So you go, well, this may be a 88 00:04:15,573 --> 00:04:19,373 Speaker 4: punishing situation on it, but it's how I live, and 89 00:04:19,653 --> 00:04:22,733 Speaker 4: you know, focus more on people that don't have jobs 90 00:04:23,253 --> 00:04:25,493 Speaker 4: than and how lucky you are to have a job, 91 00:04:25,573 --> 00:04:30,413 Speaker 4: as opposed to focusing on all the potential incredible jobs 92 00:04:30,453 --> 00:04:32,653 Speaker 4: and lives that you can can imagine. Do you sort 93 00:04:32,653 --> 00:04:36,573 Speaker 4: of understand what I'm saying, Nicky, Yeah, I can. 94 00:04:37,413 --> 00:04:39,813 Speaker 3: I think that what you need to what people need 95 00:04:39,853 --> 00:04:41,853 Speaker 3: to start looking at if there in an environment at 96 00:04:41,893 --> 00:04:44,013 Speaker 3: work that's actually causing them some form of stress and 97 00:04:44,013 --> 00:04:45,173 Speaker 3: they're kind of like, I just have to do this, 98 00:04:45,413 --> 00:04:47,253 Speaker 3: I don't want my job is and their jobs are 99 00:04:47,253 --> 00:04:50,493 Speaker 3: really highly stressful. They need to start building into their 100 00:04:50,533 --> 00:04:52,813 Speaker 3: lives some kind of outlet that they can actually break 101 00:04:52,853 --> 00:04:56,493 Speaker 3: away from doing that and thinking about those stressful environments. So, 102 00:04:56,813 --> 00:04:59,293 Speaker 3: whether that's spending time with friends, whether that's time spending 103 00:04:59,333 --> 00:05:01,733 Speaker 3: the family, you need to have that outlet so you 104 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:04,533 Speaker 3: can take away that break from your mind from that 105 00:05:04,613 --> 00:05:06,293 Speaker 3: mental strain on your mind all the time. 106 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:09,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, just when it comes down to it, just on 107 00:05:09,693 --> 00:05:12,373 Speaker 2: the back of that, Nicky, because a lot of people 108 00:05:12,693 --> 00:05:17,213 Speaker 2: facing burnout would then look at quitting their job, and 109 00:05:17,733 --> 00:05:20,613 Speaker 2: I look at that situation and think sometimes and I'm 110 00:05:20,613 --> 00:05:22,973 Speaker 2: asking you the question here, sometimes that could add to 111 00:05:23,213 --> 00:05:26,133 Speaker 2: the stresses that they're facing. Right if they do think 112 00:05:26,253 --> 00:05:29,333 Speaker 2: I can't handle this anymore, I quit and then you've 113 00:05:29,373 --> 00:05:31,893 Speaker 2: got the financial pressures you're going to focus as well. 114 00:05:31,933 --> 00:05:34,773 Speaker 2: That can sometimes be the wrong the wrong move. 115 00:05:35,893 --> 00:05:37,853 Speaker 3: So what I teach as well is that quitting your 116 00:05:37,893 --> 00:05:41,093 Speaker 3: job is not the answer. It's the stress of and 117 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:43,053 Speaker 3: the burnout that's could follow you where you go. You 118 00:05:43,093 --> 00:05:44,693 Speaker 3: need to figure out what the boundaries are that you 119 00:05:44,693 --> 00:05:46,453 Speaker 3: need to say to be able to make sure that 120 00:05:46,493 --> 00:05:48,533 Speaker 3: you can break free from that burnout so it doesn't 121 00:05:48,573 --> 00:05:51,013 Speaker 3: follow you in your next role. If you better off 122 00:05:51,013 --> 00:05:54,253 Speaker 3: staying where you are and working through that there. So 123 00:05:55,253 --> 00:05:56,493 Speaker 3: leaving your job isn't the answer. 124 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:59,213 Speaker 4: Yeah, because wherever you are now, wherever you go, there 125 00:05:59,213 --> 00:06:05,213 Speaker 4: you are. That's the same people leave relationships and because 126 00:06:05,213 --> 00:06:07,053 Speaker 4: of the problem, they get into a new relationship have 127 00:06:07,093 --> 00:06:09,173 Speaker 4: the same problems and realize that problem with them and 128 00:06:09,253 --> 00:06:12,053 Speaker 4: not the previous percent. So you got to you got 129 00:06:12,093 --> 00:06:13,533 Speaker 4: to try and sort yourself out. Hey, thank you so 130 00:06:13,613 --> 00:06:16,893 Speaker 4: much for talking to us, Nicki Sylvesta, I really really appreciate. 131 00:06:18,173 --> 00:06:18,293 Speaker 1: This. 132 00:06:18,333 --> 00:06:19,573 Speaker 3: Before, so thank you so much. 133 00:06:20,933 --> 00:06:23,933 Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely so really good to chat with you, Nikisa. 134 00:06:24,253 --> 00:06:27,493 Speaker 2: Thanks very much again and have a great afternoon you see. 135 00:06:27,533 --> 00:06:28,133 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. 136 00:06:28,213 --> 00:06:30,173 Speaker 2: That is Nicki and sylvesta well being coach. If you 137 00:06:30,173 --> 00:06:32,173 Speaker 2: want to go check out our articles on the New 138 00:06:32,253 --> 00:06:35,213 Speaker 2: Zealand Herald right now. The headline is why burn out 139 00:06:35,253 --> 00:06:37,213 Speaker 2: peaks at this time of the year and how to 140 00:06:37,373 --> 00:06:37,813 Speaker 2: beat it. 141 00:06:38,533 --> 00:06:41,213 Speaker 1: For more from news Talk said B listen live on 142 00:06:41,253 --> 00:06:44,253 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 143 00:06:44,293 --> 00:06:46,813 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.