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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: I woke up with a rumbling feeling in my chest. Ah,

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Speaker 2: I thought this morning. I didn't think we were on

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Speaker 2: a flight path, but that's what it felt like. It

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Speaker 2: felt like a seven three seven was dipping low below

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Speaker 2: our house, making its way into land. That was not

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Speaker 2: the case. So I've got this photo right from the

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Speaker 2: night of the US election in twenty sixteen, the US

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Speaker 2: election eight years ago. It was a graffiti stencil taken

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Speaker 2: right outside where Hillary Clinton hoped she would be having

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Speaker 2: a celebration party in a few hours time. It was

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Speaker 2: right on the Hudson River in New York City. Hillary

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Speaker 2: Clinton was the favorite to win the election. Of course

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Speaker 2: that wasn't the case. But there was a bit of

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Speaker 2: paint on the sidewalk where all the delegates and supporters

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Speaker 2: and media were walking in to see the celebration party

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Speaker 2: that wasn't to be, with Clinton's silhouette and a simple

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Speaker 2: phrase underneath right the stencil said I'm with her. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to apologize, but two months ago, I am

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Speaker 2: all in on the US election. I'm all into it.

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Speaker 2: Every morning I wake up and I read every single story.

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Speaker 2: I inject all of those developments straight into my veins.

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Speaker 2: But I was reminded of that Hillary Clinton stencil I'm

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Speaker 2: with her as I watched Carmala Harris's first and only

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Speaker 2: TV interview so far as the Democrats nominee. So the

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Speaker 2: interview was on CNN, and honestly, it was fine, right,

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Speaker 2: There's nothing too exciting, nothing too scandalous. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it will have moved the dial for that election in

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Speaker 2: any major way. But perhaps the most telling bit, from

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Speaker 2: a strategic sense, at the very least, was Carmala Harris's

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Speaker 2: response when she was asked about Donald Trump questioning her

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Speaker 2: black identity. Harris paused and said, just a few words,

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Speaker 2: same old tired playbook, next question, please.

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Speaker 1: That was it. That was it.

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Speaker 2: She was served up a prime opportunity to talk at

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Speaker 2: length about her identity, and a different candidate might have

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Speaker 2: talked about America's history of racial oppression. She might have

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Speaker 2: recalled other occasions when people sought to undermine her through

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Speaker 2: the prism of race. She might have talked about misogyny

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Speaker 2: and the barriers she's had to overcome as an ambitious woman.

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Speaker 2: But not None of that zilch nothing. Not a word

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Speaker 2: on identity. Next question, please, I just reckon as a

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Speaker 2: candidate like Kamala Harris has heaps of flaws, right, plenty

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Speaker 2: of flaws. For now, she's just getting by on vibes

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Speaker 2: rather than specifics, and honestly, from the Democrats' perspective, I

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Speaker 2: don't think that matters. It doesn't matter one bit. She's

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Speaker 2: certainly proving popular than Biden. And Donald Trump is such

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Speaker 2: a polarizing figure. People love him or hate him. No

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Speaker 2: one's kind of in the middle, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: No one just feels kind of ambivalent about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: No one's six out of ten on Donald Trump. It

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Speaker 2: just means that any election in which he is a

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Speaker 2: candidate is not really going to be an election that

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Speaker 2: focuses on policy. It just focuses on Trump, right, And

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Speaker 2: I think that in Kamala Harris's vibe z campaign, one

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Speaker 2: thing she is just doing extremely well is not talking

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Speaker 2: about identity. If she wins, she would be the first

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Speaker 2: woman president, she would be the first Black woman president,

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Speaker 2: she'd be the first South Asian. All of these things

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Speaker 2: are historic and arguably significant, but they're also self evident,

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Speaker 2: and I just I think it's really notable that she

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Speaker 2: and her supporters and other high profile Democrats aren't talking

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Speaker 2: about them. And you look at that interview, you look

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Speaker 2: at that question, you look at that opportunity to talk

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Speaker 2: about identity, and I thought it was incredible how she

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Speaker 2: immediately shut it down. And I just contrast that with

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton eight years ago, when so much of the

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Speaker 2: campaign centered on the possibility of her becoming America's first

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Speaker 2: woman president. Kamala Harris has chosen a different message. Instead

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Speaker 2: of I'm with her, she's chosen I'm not him.

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