1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: So seven hours on the clock till Trump's peace deadline 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: runs out. He has handed to run a ten point 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: plan for a ceasefire, but the regime doesn't seem to 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: be a fan of this. So basically, it's midday to 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: day New Zealand time, and if this doesn't happen, quote, 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: a whole civilization will die tonight. Dan Saba is a 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: defense and security editor at The Guardian. Joins us this morning. 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Hi Dan, Hi, Hi, So well, let's start with what 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Israel's doing overnight. I've been striking some bridges and transport 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: areas in Iran. 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, one of the things that's happened obviously 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: during I'm in Jerusalem, so is during the day, during 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: the day here. But yeah, we're all been looking ahead 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: to this Trump deadline tonight. But and Trump has been 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: threatening to bomb bridges and power plants, and we were 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: sort of expecting that could potentially be happening tomorrow. But 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: here we are, Here we are. The Israelis began the 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: day and said we're going to bomb, you know, telling 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Irenians to keep away from the railway networks because they 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: might be bombed anytime during the day. That's how the 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: day started, and it looks like the idea of the 22 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: Israeli Air Force. So it bombed eight different bridges or 23 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: eight different parts of the railway network in and around Tehran. 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: So they're already, you know, never mind the deadline that 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: John Trump's talking about. Well it's crazy, extraordinary talk about 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: civilization Erasia, but you know, already we're seeing civil infrastructure 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: being heavily bombed in Iran. 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think that is about the Israelis 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: going ahead and doing that ahead of time? Is that 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: a warning like this is what you know, we're serious, 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: we will go ahead and do this. 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: I think it's a mixture. Yes, I think it's partly that. 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: I think it's partly it's designed to kind of up 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: the pressure on Iran as this negotiating deadline come, you know, 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: comes close. The reality is thus far throughout you know, 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: throughout the day, it doesn't it like Iran is really 37 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: that interested in talking. It doesn't like the terms that 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: have been put in front the fit Ran once An 39 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: into the war. It doesn't want a ceasefire, which is 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: what's been on put you know, on offer from mediators 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: like the Egyptians and the Turks and the pakistanis it 42 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: doesn't want this kind of idea that they could be 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: a ceasefire and then the Americans could just bomb anyway 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: for a couple of days and then kind of say, oh, 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: it's still a ceasefire. They think that's kind of unfair. 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: They want a full deal. But the kind of things 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 2: that they want, or seem to want, is they still 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: want someone to degree of control over the strains of 49 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: hor moves, and that's a non starter for Trump, who 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: memorably said open the bleep straight on social media earlier 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: this week. So we're two sides are a long way up, 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 2: two sides seem a long way apart. So I think 53 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: that's partly why we're seeing this increased bombing. 54 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: And then you've got the Gold States who want Trump 55 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: basically to keep going, don't they. 56 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, well, the girlf States are being hit very hard. 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: I think we've seen another facility in Saudi Arabia was 58 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: bombed to bomb today and and they clearly would like 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: the US to somehow finish the job, although it's not 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: exactly obvious how the Americans can do that, given they 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: won't commit ground forces, and if Iran is willing, if 62 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: Iran's leadership or new leadership is willing to take an 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: awful lot of pain, and it seems to be so 64 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: far done so then this could go on for some time. 65 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: It's not a very attractive scenario for ninety million ordinary 66 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: Iranians that were caught up in this. 67 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: Though certainly not Dan appreciate your analysis. Thank you, Dan Saber, 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Defense and Security editor at the Guardian. 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: For more from early edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 70 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: to news Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.