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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: OH Get you going? Does it not? It gets you going?

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Speaker 3: The pioneers of one of New Zealand's most popular music

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Speaker 3: genres have been celebrating twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five years together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is the twenty fifth anniversary the formation of

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Speaker 3: shape Shifter crazy A They formed in christ Church nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety nine and you would have to say have carved

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Speaker 3: out an incredible career since seven albums, four EPs. And

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Speaker 3: yet after twenty five years, Shape Shifter is showing no

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Speaker 3: signs of stopping, with big plans for the summer ahead.

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Speaker 3: Nick Robinson from shape Shifter is with us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Kilder Nick Jyodo, Well, I'm feeling good about myself after

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Speaker 4: that introduction?

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Speaker 3: Are you feeling I'm just going to say, this is

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Speaker 3: someone who has been around and enjoying your music for

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Speaker 3: all of those twenty five years? Dear, I asked, does

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Speaker 3: it does it make you feel a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, old, Yeah, it does, and you know,

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Speaker 4: like sort of building up to this twenty five year thing,

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Speaker 4: it was almost like, oh, you know.

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Speaker 5: That is that a good look? Are we too old?

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Speaker 5: You know? Like you know, I don't feel old.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're old. I don't think you're old.

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Speaker 3: I don't think shaf is olved. No, no, no, But

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Speaker 3: I mean that this is the thing, right, Like we're

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Speaker 3: looking at the twenty fifth anniversary and considering, you know,

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Speaker 3: what you guys have achieved over the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 3: It's it is a pretty like substantial achievement. Can you

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Speaker 3: can you distill the success for us?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 3: You know, why do you think we are here after

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Speaker 3: twenty five years of music still celebrating shape sifter?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think ferously.

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Speaker 4: I just reaching the twenty five years is probably the

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Speaker 4: proudest thing we've all felt the whole time, just actually

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Speaker 4: being able to stay together and remain such good friends.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we're more than friends, we're family. And

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Speaker 4: I think you know, our relationship as a band has

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Speaker 4: been what's got us through, and it's you know, we

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Speaker 4: all respect each other so much as musicians and as friends,

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Speaker 4: We're willing to flex. There's no ego there, so I

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Speaker 4: think we can sort of bounce off each other and

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Speaker 4: get the best results, and you know, really sort of

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Speaker 4: it's just been so enjoyable, yea. You know, there's been

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Speaker 4: ups and downs, but it's twenty five years, but I

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Speaker 4: feel like the fire inside and I look forward to

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Speaker 4: gigs and I really look forward to going Auy on

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Speaker 4: tour with the boys, and look forward.

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Speaker 5: To getting in the studio.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's just, you know, passion's still there,

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Speaker 4: and we just sort of love what we do, and

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Speaker 4: we sort of love the way we've done it on

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Speaker 4: our own terms and never tried to write hat songs

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Speaker 5: Just sort of enjoy it. And it's sort of played

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Speaker 3: So for our listeners who might not be totally familiar

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Speaker 3: with every part of the shape shift the story. Can

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Speaker 3: you take us back to the genesis? Can you take

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Speaker 3: us back to nineteen ninety nine life in christ Church

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Speaker 3: and how you guys came together and started making music.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were at the jazz school. We met at

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Speaker 4: the jazz School in christ Church and I.

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Speaker 3: Studied right around the corner from the jazz school. What

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Speaker 3: was that pub called on the Dress Street?

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Speaker 2: Can you remember?

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Speaker 5: You'd be thinking of the jet Set Lounge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the jet Set Lounge, yes.

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Speaker 5: South London.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, many nights spent, you know, drinking

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Speaker 4: the jugs of spades and orange juice or whatever you

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Speaker 4: we were all together in the jazz school and we

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Speaker 4: were put into an ensemble together, so you get put

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Speaker 4: into jazz groups, and we were actually put together and

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Speaker 4: and just sort of headed off.

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Speaker 5: We just had such a great.

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Speaker 4: Time and we started playing all different types of music.

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Speaker 5: And at the time in christ Church, drum and bass

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Speaker 4: You know, there were UK drum and bassed DJ's coming

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Speaker 5: It was kind of like a new cutting edge music

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Speaker 4: Love that sort of jazz was was like that when

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Speaker 4: wanted to be on the edge of what of modern music.

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Speaker 4: So we sort of you know, our drummer at the time, Redford,

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Speaker 4: just the heart behind the behind the bands. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing?

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Speaker 3: How you know to compare those different genres of music, right,

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Speaker 3: does drum and bass have to do with jazz? But

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Speaker 3: actually it's you know, the kind of music you guys

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Speaker 3: have tried to make where you're pushing boundaries has a

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Speaker 3: lot in common with jazz. Do you think having that

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Speaker 3: that that ultimately benefits your music.

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Speaker 4: I think it does in the long run, but you

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Speaker 5: You know, the nuances are in the in.

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Speaker 4: The slight core differences within the different since and so

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Speaker 5: So you do kind of have to have to shake that,

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Speaker 4: But I think, you know, a lot of it was

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Speaker 4: lot of other types of music as well. We were

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Speaker 3: How do you continue to feed creativity after you've been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's an interesting one. We have to freshen

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Speaker 5: Just I think it's just all of it. It's in

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Speaker 4: Since we were all young, you know, we've all sort

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Speaker 4: all different types of music, and getting inspired by not

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Speaker 5: You know, it's quite inspiring as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think, yeah, just the fire is still

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Speaker 5: And also just the basic fact of listening to something, going,

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Speaker 4: I love that, you know, that makes me feel something

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Speaker 5: It's just it's a buzz to actually do.

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Speaker 3: So as someone who consumes music and you know, and

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Speaker 3: whatever complicated algorithm behind the machine that says, oh, Jack

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Speaker 3: And it kind of feeds you a pretty steady diet.

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Speaker 3: And I you know, when you're just sitting there kind

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Speaker 2: Is that is that? Okay?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of the time it would

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Speaker 4: best relationship with Spotify? Yeah, true, and pushing their artists

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Speaker 5: And what's this? This is cool? And oh that's related

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Speaker 5: to these artists and oh I never knew about all this.

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Speaker 4: So there is that too, But yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 4: it as well was sort of going on your own search.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just Spotify. There's other sort of you know,

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Speaker 5: Can buy music, your beat ports and your things like

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Speaker 4: Don't know, twenty thousand new songs coming out of day,

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Speaker 5: But yeah, the world is really sort of wrapped up

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And but I mean, you know, when you

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Speaker 3: that's that's cool, when it might lead you down a

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Speaker 3: you're conscious of that that phenomenon, I suppose.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think you have to sort of get inspired,

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Speaker 4: but then you can't be like I really want to

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Speaker 4: write a track like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's so much of it.

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Speaker 4: It's so easy to do too, because you listen to

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Speaker 4: I want to be like that, you know, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: just natural.

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Speaker 5: So you kind of got to. But that's the thing

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Speaker 4: No one's got the same vision in their head, and

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Speaker 4: then you're like, oh, this is like where's this going.

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Speaker 4: This isn't what I thought it was going to do.

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Speaker 4: But because I'm flexible and I trust the other guys,

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Speaker 3: Shifter has a good claim to having played and headlined

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's the sound of summer babe.

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Speaker 4: But you would be surprised, like if that, if that's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're sort of we're still vibing on this

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Speaker 5: Of things, nostalgia things.

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Speaker 4: We're playing at the Coragling Tavern on the twenty eighth

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Speaker 4: That's a beautiful venue. Yeah, So just sort of those

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Speaker 2: Oh can't waite.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much for your time, Nick, We

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Congratulations on twenty five years and here's

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Speaker 3: to twenty five more.

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Speaker 4: Exactly twenty five more. Thanks for having me. It's an

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Speaker 4: honor to be on the show.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That is Nick Robinson from Shape Shifter celebrating twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: We've got all the details for the summer shows up

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Speaker 3: on the News Talks. He'd be website as well.

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