1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has announced tougher gun laws 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: following the Bondi terror attack. Charles Croucher is Channel nine's 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: chief political leader, sand is with us Morning Charles Morning. Ever, Okay, 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Limiting the number of guns, 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: checking gun owners more regularly. 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the two headline ones, particularly following one of 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: the attackers that appears to have not only just been 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: a license gun owner, but owned six licensed guns. Now, 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: the argument from the Prime Minister and the state premiers 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: is that's just too many without justifiable reasons. So that 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: will be part of the restrictions, cutting down on the 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: number of guns someone can known. There's also be more 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: regular checks on those with licenses. And one other sort 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: of element God added towards the end of the discussions 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: in National Capet yesterday, was you have to be an 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: Australian citizen rather than just resident to become an Australian 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: gun owner. 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, what are the questions that are likely to 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: be asked about the competence of the intelligence agencies here? 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: Well, it's a couple of questions. Firstly, what was missed, 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: If anything was missed Mike Burgess, our AZO, that is, 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: our secret intelligence organization boss has been warning about the 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: potential for anti Semitic attacks for a while now our 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: terror threat level. Was it probable? But the question is 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: how do you were their red flags? Were there anything 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: of interest among these two men? One of them had 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 2: been investigated for some peripheral peripheral links to Islamic State, 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: but that's six or seven years ago. So did they 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: drop off the radar? Were the checks not frequent enough? 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: And then clearly there was planning that went into this. 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: Is it something that was just known by the two men, 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: what to the rest of their family know and their associates, colleagues, etc. 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: And then obviously the big challenge how to prevent something 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: like this happening again? I mean New Zealand is all 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: tool where sadly of the confusion that happens in the 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: event like this, and the not not blame game, but 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: just the questions that are left unanswered of how well 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: in countries like ours people can be driven to such 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: hate and such horrible actions. 40 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: How much trouble is Anthony Albinizi and his government and 41 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: for sitting on that anti semitism and envoys report for 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: about six months and doing nothing. 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: It's a flashpoint. I mean there was a couple of 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: changes made. I went through a Jillian Siegel's report again 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: yesterday to see if there were anything in there. The 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: question that can't be answered by particularly those really critical 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister at the moment, is what actual 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: change could have been made that could have prevented this. 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: There is a discussion of greater infrastructure and greater protection 50 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: around Jewish institutions, given this Huneker event was happening in 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: an unusual place in a park. Effectively, this is a celebration. 52 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: Could security have been better, clearly it could have, but 53 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: even that wasn't a specifically spelled out in the envoys reports, Sook. 54 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 2: There will be big questions. I mean that the number 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: one job of the governments to keep their citizens safe 56 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: and that is failed this time around. Whether there is 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: a long lasting impact on the Prime Minister not, But 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: it will be largely defined by what the actions are 59 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: taken in the coming days and weeks. And I think 60 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: beyond all the tragedy, the Prime Minister was fully aware 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 2: of the yesterday when he called that many national cad 62 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: in terms of a response in gun laws for the 63 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: gold standard demonstrating was John Howard response to Port Arthur 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: a generation ago, where the semi automatic rifles were banned. 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: So I think that's what everyone's expecting. Something similar this 66 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: time around, where there is the scope to do something 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: as bold. It's probably not, but some action, some effort 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: to prevent this from happening again, is necessary. 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Charles is good to talk to you. Thank you so much. 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: Look after yourself. That's Charles Croucher, nine News Chief Political Editor. 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 72 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 73 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio