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Speaker 1: So the government continues their announcements around health and safety,

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Speaker 1: and this time they reassured landowners that they will not

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Speaker 1: be legally responsible for recreational activities they prevent on their

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Speaker 1: land and their hope is for liability to fall solely

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Speaker 1: on the business or the individual using the land. And

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Speaker 1: Gwyn Thurlow is the CEO of the New Zealand dest

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Speaker 1: Stalkers Association and has got up early. In fact, it

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Speaker 1: probably isn't early for you, good and you probably get

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Speaker 1: up at this time all the time.

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Speaker 2: Hello, yeah, good one. It's about the early rising time

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Speaker 2: for a good hunter that's keen to get out there

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Speaker 2: at first light.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I saw yesterday you held this as a return

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Speaker 1: to personal responsibility, which is something we've abandoned in recent years.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, this is exactly what that is. And we've

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Speaker 2: had the work Safe action against landowners for accidents not

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Speaker 2: in their control. Under the two thousand percent Acts sort

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Speaker 2: of creep into the space of recreation. It was intended

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Speaker 2: for workers and keeping workers safe, and some of the

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Speaker 2: government agents season the land owners forestry blocks used it

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Speaker 2: to exclude recreation and they just didn't want the risk

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Speaker 2: of having people on their land.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, denying us mountain biking tracks and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: How much has this liability that existed beforehand halted recreational

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Speaker 1: activities around New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: It certainly shutgate. It certainly made landowners and corporate landowners

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Speaker 2: and particularly hesitant. Some of our big farms and accesslades

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Speaker 2: are now not just owned by mum and dad farmers

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Speaker 2: who you knew years ago down the road just you know,

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Speaker 2: speak to Steve and he'll let you in. It created bureaucracy.

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Speaker 2: For example, we solved it for our members by taking

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Speaker 2: out a ten million dollar liability policy to ease the

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Speaker 2: pain on some of those corporate types letting people through

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Speaker 2: or on their land. So it certainly had cost implications

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Speaker 2: paperwork admin and for clubs like hunting clubs or tramping clubs,

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Speaker 2: it puts a lot of on the organizers of trips

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Speaker 2: to do paperwork and risk assessments. It's just a bit

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Speaker 2: like everything. It's turned a lot of things into a

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Speaker 2: bureaucracy and recreation shouldn't be about.

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Speaker 1: That, okay. Now do landowners now have absolutely no responsibility?

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Speaker 1: Because there was arguments in the courts about for curry

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Speaker 1: White Island, the owners of the land there should have

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Speaker 1: known perhaps that the volcano could explode and could have

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Speaker 1: warned people that, you know, my land's a bit dangerous

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Speaker 1: right now. But do they have absolutely no responsibility.

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Speaker 2: Now, No, they certainly will have responsibility. They'll have responsibility

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Speaker 2: for their business activities. So if there a farm of

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Speaker 2: their farming, is there a forestry companies of forestry workers

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Speaker 2: and the structures around their business. But if we're just

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Speaker 2: going out the back blocks to access some fishing or

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Speaker 2: go to Hiker Mountain, that's a dock block that backs

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Speaker 2: onto a private land and we're walking through, that's where

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Speaker 2: they shouldn't be liable. But as always they're going to

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Speaker 2: have to identify as them do things safely themselves. But

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Speaker 2: it means that, for example, if I'm taking a group

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Speaker 2: of people through their land on a walk, that I

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Speaker 2: will be responsible for that walking activity. It's got nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with farming or forestry.

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Speaker 1: It's just recreating, Okay, Gwyn, Happy hunting and thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. That is Gwyn Thurlow, who

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Speaker 1: is the CEO of the New Zealand DS Talkers Association.

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