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Speaker 1: Dressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else News Talks Evy.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Coming up today, Erica Stanford, Education Minister on the new

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Speaker 2: school reporting system with us. After five, we're going to

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Speaker 2: go to court for that battle playing out between the

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Speaker 2: Maori Party characters. We'll get you the low down on

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Speaker 2: what critical minerals we have in the ground that Trump wants.

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Speaker 2: And then Nikola Willis Finance Minister. As always on a

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Speaker 2: Monday after six o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cy Ellen so Fire.

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Speaker 2: And Emergency New Zealand has launched an investigation into the

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Speaker 2: firefighter in the video with the Prime Minister. Now you'll

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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. You've probably seen it already.

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Speaker 2: It's been around since Friday. It's the video of the

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Speaker 2: PM touring the devastation on the East Coast last week

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Speaker 2: and as he's walking to jump back onto a Defense

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Speaker 2: Force helicopter, he stops to talk to a volunteer firefighter

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Speaker 2: who's wearing the old high visit with the word fire

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Speaker 2: written on the back. Does his political schmoozing having the chat,

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Speaker 2: getting up in the face, clapping the arm, and then

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Speaker 2: he heads off for the chopper and the firefighter turns around,

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Speaker 2: looks at the phone that's filming her, and makes a

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Speaker 2: crude gesture which the Hadarchy boys would describe as feeding

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Speaker 2: the birds. Now, I saw that on Friday, A smirk, debuzz.

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Speaker 2: That's a bit funny, and I shut it down and

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Speaker 2: then I got on with my life. Fins, though fire

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Speaker 2: an emergency, do not think it's funny at all. They've

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Speaker 2: completely overreacted to it, and after questions from the Herald,

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Speaker 2: they've decided to launch an investigation into this firefighter. Now,

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Speaker 2: if Finns is open to taking some feedback, I would

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Speaker 2: urge them to drop the investigation here. If there is

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Speaker 2: a bad call, the really bad call isn't the firefighter

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Speaker 2: doing something silly in front of her mates who were filming.

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Speaker 2: It was the person who put that online, which was

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Speaker 2: the properly unwise thing to do in this modern age.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't seem to be the same person, by

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Speaker 2: the way, given the TikTok account is run by a

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Speaker 2: man and the firefighter as a woman. But even if

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Speaker 2: they were the same person, it's just really not a

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Speaker 2: big deal, is it. Politicians should expect and do expect

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Speaker 2: this kind of reaction if they go around doing their

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Speaker 2: political shits mooing, and if people have a laugh about

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Speaker 2: the PM doing his schmoozing, who cares. It's not threatening

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Speaker 2: or intimidatary, it's just mocking. We have a shortage of

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Speaker 2: volunteer firefighters in this country. We shouldn't be lifting the

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Speaker 2: expectations of volunteers to the same level as what we

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Speaker 2: expect from professional so that the volunteers are dissuaded from

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Speaker 2: giving us their time, which we frankly should be grateful for.

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Speaker 2: And there but for the grace of God, etc. Right,

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Speaker 2: because we all do stupid things, we just hope that

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Speaker 2: people around us don't put it on TikTok. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to live in a world where we get investigated

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Speaker 2: over something as silly as this. Hopefully our friends drops

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Speaker 2: this investigation because surely, surely, to God it has more

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Speaker 2: important things to do.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dopsilu.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to Max Whitehead about it, because I think

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Speaker 2: Max is of a different well, Max is certainly of

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Speaker 2: the view if I'm leed to believe correctly that this

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Speaker 2: person may in fact get the chop anyway, wave a

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Speaker 2: chat about that after five. Now we have got pedigree

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Speaker 2: in this country, haven't we When it comes to great

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Speaker 2: Nick Willis. But now we have Sam Ruth as well,

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Speaker 2: who could potentially surpass them all. He's only sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: He's just run the fastest mile by a New Zealander

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Speaker 2: and it's put him absolutely in the sites, or put

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Speaker 4: I'm only doing like seventy k's a week right now,

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Speaker 4: right now, which might sound like quite a bit, but

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I've got like fifty sixty more k's left

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're wondering how on earth it is that

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Speaker 2: a good runner, well it may in fact be his genes.

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Speaker 2: His granddad Trevor Wright is with us.

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Speaker 5: Now, Hi, Trevor, Hello there, Ebber Now I.

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Speaker 2: Understand you're a pretty good running yourself, are you.

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Speaker 6: Well it used to be years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you were into the were you into

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Speaker 6: That was Morton runner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and go on, then tell us your greatest achieve.

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Speaker 6: And I've my first debut marathon was the world record

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Speaker 6: European Championships, and I finished thirdy in London in the

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Speaker 6: nineteen eighty one, I finished thirty New York in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's not bad.

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Speaker 6: I've been around the wee bit. But I'm now nearly

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Speaker 6: eighty years old, so I'm an old fort part.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just you as a trigger, because then

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Speaker 6: She's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: What's her greatest achievement?

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Speaker 6: She won the come off gold medal in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 6: that was when the Eastern blocks was taking drugs, believe

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Speaker 6: No, No, there might be that might be part of it,

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Speaker 6: only a small part. I put it down to dedication,

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Speaker 2: Is he a dedicated boy?

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Speaker 6: Is he definitely dedicated?

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Speaker 7: What about you?

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Speaker 2: Just because I'm fascinated, but I'm fascinated by the idea

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Speaker 2: actually that this may in fact, clearly it is partly genetics. Right,

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Speaker 2: what about your kids having Has anybody else in the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Ben's mother run for New Zealand at the cross country. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me it's not genetics? I mean, you

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Speaker 6: Genetics plays a small part. Yeah, But you can't take

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm told because we had a chat to Rosemary

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Speaker 2: Is that is that? Is that what she's she's telling him?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's her attitude. Yeah, yeah, Wow, she likes the

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Speaker 2: Well, he might be bringing fame your way, because he's

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Speaker 2: just so very good, isn't he. Your heart must be

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we are so proud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he must just be bursting with pride. Now

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Speaker 6: Yeah, his father had to mess around and arrange all

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Speaker 6: the flights because originally they were flying from Auckland to

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Speaker 6: And I think they arrived in Boston about seventy two

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good to hear now, listen if he gets

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Speaker 2: if he gets selected for Glasgow, are you going to go?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 6: It certainly would do yet.

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Speaker 2: Yep, because am I picking up there a little an accent,

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Speaker 2: a Scottish accent.

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Speaker 6: No, No, I'm Yorkshire.

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Speaker 2: Oh same Sam. Your wife is Scottish though, isn't She

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Speaker 2: ran for scott for Scotland.

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Speaker 6: The father was Scottish she went she went to England

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Speaker 6: when she was fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll definitely have to go and visit. Hey, thank you, Trevor.

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Speaker 2: You've been wonderful, look after yourself and appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: That's Trevor right. Who is Sam Ruth's granddad? Yere, So

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Speaker 2: there's I can tell you right now. Anyhow, I looked

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Speaker 2: my boy a runner? And thought nap after talking to Trevor.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing in the genetics here, Milania. The documentary is

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Speaker 2: doing much better than expected. By the way, they were

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Speaker 2: outside of concert films in fourteen years. As you would expect,

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Speaker 2: the States, the movie played best in the South, with

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Speaker 2: what everybody expected. And by the way, incidentally and weirdly,

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Speaker 2: there is a distributor called film Infinity, which operates in

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Speaker 2: the film at all just before debut, just completely changed.

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Speaker 2: You can't get it, you can't. It's it's not in

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Speaker 2: the cinema houses. Not that anybody's all that stressed out

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Speaker 2: the movie houses in South Africa because film Ffinity said

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Speaker 2: nap and we don't know why. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: The Firefighter So she was representing fins by the fact

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Speaker 2: that she was wearing her high vers when she mocked

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Speaker 2: the Prime minister. What an embarrassment should be down the road.

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Speaker 2: Absolute lack of professionalism, Thanks Joe Joe. That is exactly

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Speaker 2: my point. She is a volunteer firefighter, not a professional firefighter,

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Speaker 2: so you can't hold her to standards of professionalism because

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Speaker 2: she's a volunteer. Nineteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Sport with generate celebrating great performances in sport and key

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Speaker 1: we save her.

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Speaker 2: Against Jason Pine Sports Talk hoosters of me right now,

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Speaker 2: high piney Halloa. How good could Sam Ruth be?

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Speaker 9: Amazing? I love listening to his granddad. How cool that was?

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Speaker 10: Couse?

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Speaker 2: And this kid's not going to get a big ada.

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Speaker 9: I don't think so. No, he seems to be from

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Speaker 9: very good stock as granddad his dad been. The times

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Speaker 2: Piney always good to talk to you. Haven't head to

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Speaker 11: The time ministers were the piecest thing on immigration.

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Speaker 12: It's forty billion dollars that we've created for the economy.

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Speaker 1: It's not the UK, it's not the US. Back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida

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Speaker 1: News Talk ZB cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One Zealand coverage like

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Speaker 2: Oli Pedson is going to be with us shortly, he is.

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Speaker 2: He'll talk us through what's going on with the Liberals

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Speaker 1: News is next, hard questions, strong opinion. Here the duplicy

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Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar has won three awards in the rap category,

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Speaker 2: the Year. Actually has gone to Billie Eilish for Wildflower.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news Dogs. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Former UK Cabinet minister Lord Mandelsson has resigned from the

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Speaker 2: It's a big day over in Australia for the National Party.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business and with US.

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Speaker 2: Hello Header Now okay, big day for the Nationals and

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Speaker 2: what's the meeting about?

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Speaker 14: So we just heard there in the world wise David

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Speaker 2: Absolutely they will.

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Speaker 14: They need to reunify. There's not enough talent in either

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite wild that they've taken the attention away

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Speaker 14: was over there on a ski trip with her family

437
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Speaker 14: and it now may appear as though, which sounds absolutely awful,

438
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Speaker 14: she had a heart attack and she died while on

439
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Speaker 14: a chairlift. The initial reports indicated that she had died

440
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Speaker 14: in an accident at that ski resort there in Japan.

441
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Speaker 14: Twenty two year old woman who is an Australian was

442
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Speaker 14: left hanging in midair trying to get off that chair

443
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Speaker 14: lift when a buckle on her outfit caught onto the chair.

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Speaker 14: But to believe she made had a heart attack. So

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Speaker 14: that's a harrowing situation for her family. The Australian Department

446
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Speaker 14: of Foreign Affairs is involved trying to provide some assistance

447
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Speaker 14: to the family of that woman who died there on

448
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Speaker 14: the ski fields in Japan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the spirit tax going to rise by like

450
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Speaker 2: over one hundred bucks a liter a year?

451
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Speaker 14: Like it's just getting so expensive. Now if you want

452
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Speaker 14: to go and have a little bit of gym beam

453
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Speaker 14: or a little whisky, or maybe it's into a bit

454
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Speaker 14: of vodka.

455
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Speaker 15: On Saturday night.

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Speaker 14: Then all of a sudden, this happens every year. We

457
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Speaker 14: have the spirits tax going up twice a year, so

458
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Speaker 14: it's one hundred and eight dollars a liter. The spirits

459
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Speaker 14: tax is set to rise. We've also got the fuel

460
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Speaker 14: excites going up today. But you know how boy did

461
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Speaker 14: it for us here that he decided to just you know,

462
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Speaker 14: press the Pawes button on schooners. So you know, beers

463
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Speaker 14: are frozen for two years. So maybe you'll just go

464
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Speaker 14: for a pint even instead of maybe going for the spirits.

465
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll just make your fast wonder. Holy listen, this

466
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Speaker 2: is a bit random, but do you know what I've

467
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Speaker 2: started watching on Netflix the other day is The Newsroom,

468
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Speaker 2: which is set in Australia. Have you watched that? Oh yeah, yeah,

469
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Speaker 2: it's okay. What it's not Nold is called the hows Reader,

470
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Speaker 2: called the Newsreader that the news Readers, Right, yeah no,

471
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Speaker 2: but it is okay. Well, I have only two episodes

472
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Speaker 2: in so I don't know what. I don't know what happens.

473
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Speaker 2: That's not how things work. But isn't it? Isn't it

474
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Speaker 2: just a joy to watch? You don't agree with me?

475
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Speaker 14: Nah nah nah, Like I've been doing the WWE Unreal

476
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Speaker 14: documentary a couple of seasons of slow horses over some as.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all good about the wrestling. I mean, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: I know about slow horses. What's your problem with the

479
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Speaker 2: news Reader? You've totally You've just deflated me.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm sorry. I just took you for being a

481
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Speaker 14: little more interesting than that. Heather.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I forgot how harsh you are. Jeez, what

483
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Speaker 2: I burned so early in the year. Off you go, Ollie,

484
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Oliver Peterson ABC, Perth Radio Drive Center.

485
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Speaker 2: I want a firefighter move him like you know the

486
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Speaker 2: move the firefighter did with the prime and and someone

487
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Speaker 2: do that right now, nineteen away.

488
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Speaker 1: From Heather duplusy Ellen.

489
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Speaker 2: Go on, then if you watched the Newsreader on Netflix,

490
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Speaker 2: because I was going to rave to Olie about how

491
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Speaker 2: great Australian television is. Now I'm not going to say

492
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Speaker 2: anything nice to him for at least a month. Can

493
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Speaker 2: I recommend this to you? Because keV, who's working here

494
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Speaker 2: at the moment he said to me, are the wife

495
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Speaker 2: and I are watching this? You should watch it. So

496
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Speaker 2: I started watching it, and it is so good. I

497
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Speaker 2: am thoroughly enjoying it. It's one of those things, you know.

498
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's obviously about a TV newsroom, and it's set

499
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six, and sometimes what happens is if

500
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Speaker 2: you watch a TV show about your in your own industry,

501
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: it can sometimes be a bit difficult to watch, like

502
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Speaker 2: you know that Jennifer Aniston one, because you're going, mate,

503
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Speaker 2: your commercial break is three minutes. You've just done like

504
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: two hours worth of whinging and crying and walking out

505
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Speaker 2: of the building in a commercial break not possible, So

506
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Speaker 2: you have to kind of suspend your disbelief to watch it.

507
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Speaker 2: But not with the newsreader, which is so it just

508
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Speaker 2: feels to me very very accurate about how things were

509
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six in a TV newsroom. And I

510
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Speaker 2: know that because when I started working at a TV

511
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Speaker 2: newsroom about fifteen whatever, twenty years after that, those characters

512
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Speaker 2: are still hanging around, so I know that that's true. Anyway,

513
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Speaker 2: go and watch it. It's been I think so far, very

514
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Speaker 2: very good acting, fantastic storyline, just and I also just

515
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Speaker 2: love retro stuff. Don't you love retro stuff? Get taken

516
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Speaker 2: back to the nineteen eighties, a little bit of dire straits,

517
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Speaker 2: you know, those ridiculous little little berets that the girls

518
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Speaker 2: rolled around in like hair hair sprayed backwards. It's just great.

519
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Speaker 2: It's just nostalgia. Anyway, we'll talk about it another time

520
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Speaker 2: when I finished a season, we'll revisit it. Court battle

521
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Speaker 2: that you need to know about is the Maori Party Mariya.

522
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Speaker 2: This is the one about Maria men Or Kapa Kingi

523
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Speaker 2: fighting her expulsion, her lawyers. It's going on at the moment.

524
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Speaker 2: It's going to wrap up in about twenty minutes time.

525
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Speaker 2: By the looks of things, the lawyers have claimed she

526
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Speaker 2: was not only the only one that was going to overspin,

527
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Speaker 2: because remember that was a key part of the whole debate.

528
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Speaker 2: She was on the track to overspind but so with

529
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Speaker 2: the co leaders they were going to overspend by about

530
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Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars, and there was discussion of a settlement proposal.

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Speaker 2: So we'll just see what they Yet they yet to

532
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Speaker 2: address that in court. We'll see what that is about.

533
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Speaker 2: Both Maria men Or Kappa Kingi and John Palmerheadho. We're

534
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Speaker 2: in court today and so was our report to Ethan Griffiths,

535
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Speaker 2: who will be with us after five o'clock to run

536
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Speaker 2: us through at Barrisoapers with us next seventeen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: Fourteen away from five Barrisoper, senior political correspondent, is with us.

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Speaker 2: High Barry.

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Speaker 16: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so run me through what it is that Eric

543
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Speaker 2: has announced today.

544
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Speaker 16: Well, to me, if you're a parent, it's going to

545
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Speaker 16: be in my view anyway, excellent because you'll know the

546
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Speaker 16: progress that your child's making. You get two report cards

547
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Speaker 16: a year, and you know it'll allow you to talk

548
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Speaker 16: to the school much more about progress, help your child

549
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Speaker 16: in an area where they are finding difficulty. It's just

550
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Speaker 16: a more transparence. But what is new, Oh, well, there'll

551
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Speaker 16: be a report twice a year that'll be sent home

552
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Speaker 16: to the parents.

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Speaker 2: Assuming that report cards. If we got report the report

554
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Speaker 2: cards can't be the new thing, because is it? Because

555
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Speaker 2: they're standardized across the country, they look the same for everybody.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, five hundred schools have already signed up to it,

557
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Speaker 16: and school's going back this week, of course. But I'll

558
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Speaker 16: tell you what. If there's one thing Erica Stanford's are

559
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Speaker 16: really good at, it's making the right noises about education

560
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Speaker 16: with the full Prime ministerial backing, which is what she

561
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Speaker 16: did today. Here she is on the report cards.

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Speaker 7: Parents will get a really good idea of the progress

563
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Speaker 7: and reading, writing and maths, and the individual strands within

564
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Speaker 7: reading and writing and maths, so that they know how

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Speaker 7: their children are doing and how they can help at home,

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Speaker 7: and it will be clearly laid out on their report cards.

567
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Speaker 7: This really is a partnership between schools and parents so

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Speaker 7: that together we can all raise student achievement.

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Speaker 16: First thing that sprang to my mind was that will

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Speaker 16: teachers be happy about because presumably it'll mean much more

571
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Speaker 16: work for them, although she says that under their system

572
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Speaker 16: they have I think eight hundred thousand teacher eight hours

573
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Speaker 16: being allocated to the system, and this will be all digitized,

574
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Speaker 16: so it won't be that difficult. It won't be the

575
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Speaker 16: old report card writing that teachers had to do in

576
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Speaker 16: the old days. But I like the old days because

577
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Speaker 16: it gave you. I do like the old days in class,

578
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Speaker 16: second in class that don't do that anymore.

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Speaker 2: How many times were you in first in class?

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Speaker 16: Well, I tell you what I heard you say, there's

581
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Speaker 16: no lineage in our.

582
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Speaker 2: High school Fosbury flop that you introduced high school.

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Speaker 16: Our little boy, I'll be teaching him as I did

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Speaker 16: learning to swim over the.

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Speaker 2: Past week, will drop off on athletic ability, obviously as

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Speaker 2: you go along. Why Tonguey day Prime Minister made the

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Speaker 2: right call.

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Speaker 16: Yes he has. But it's really interesting, isn't it when

589
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Speaker 16: you think this time last year Kappa Kinghi was basically

590
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Speaker 16: talking about coalitions and coalition partners and how they were

591
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Speaker 16: looking forward.

592
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Speaker 4: To this year.

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Speaker 16: And a year on, here she is in court fighting

594
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Speaker 16: against her expulsion from the party. They've been I guess

595
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Speaker 16: given some encouragement by the fact that you remember there

596
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Speaker 16: was a preliminary hearing and the judge in that last

597
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Speaker 16: December came down and said, look, the party was wrong

598
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Speaker 16: in that. And what's the bet If the decision is

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Speaker 16: made and announced that the court parents they're doing today

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Speaker 16: is announced by say, Wednesday, and that's the expectation, then

601
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Speaker 16: surely this will overshadow so much of what's going on

602
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Speaker 16: at why Tongy this weekend because you're going to have

603
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Speaker 16: the Mauldi party there in full force, and they're battling

604
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Speaker 16: like nobody's business with each other. And here we are

605
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Speaker 16: commemorating the three.

606
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Speaker 2: Great Ironies and all getting distracted. Okay, so tell me

607
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Speaker 2: what happened to Nick Smith in his bottom, poor old neck.

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Speaker 16: So he goes along to a concert the Newdleph Vineyards,

609
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Speaker 16: and he's the mayor of Nelson, of course, and his electorate.

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Speaker 16: There were basically groups like Stellar, the Mockers and the Dudes.

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Speaker 2: I've heard of the dudes, but the other time, very please,

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Speaker 2: Stella is Stella. The lead singer of Stella is the

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Speaker 2: sister of Oh.

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Speaker 16: I think she was there as well. So that cool.

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Speaker 2: She was there because Steller was there. That's how a

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Speaker 2: band work.

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Speaker 1: There, you might know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Get on with the wine.

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Speaker 16: Well, poor old Nick was there and he was with

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Speaker 16: his mates, no doubt, and decided he was at a

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Speaker 16: vineyard there was a concert going. Why wouldn't you be

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Speaker 16: able to go and buy a bottle of wine? No,

623
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Speaker 16: the rules said that they went allowed to buy bottles

624
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Speaker 16: of wine. They had to buy plastic cups of wine individually.

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Speaker 2: The control about being treated? Now, whose rules with this was?

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Speaker 11: This?

627
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Speaker 2: Nudoff wine wine.

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Speaker 16: The Tasman District Council. It says it was a gold

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Speaker 16: standard event. And that's the labels where you wouldn't you

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Speaker 16: wouldn't sell bottles of wine. I mean the point that

631
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Speaker 16: neck Smith made was look, Nudoff employed, sorry, exports overseas

632
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Speaker 16: hundreds of thousands of bottles of wine a year, and

633
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Speaker 16: yet they can't even sell a bottle of wine to

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Speaker 16: their own people in.

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Speaker 2: The All right, Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. That's

636
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Speaker 2: Arry Soper, Senior Political correspondent. It's eight away from five.

637
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Speaker 16: Hither.

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Speaker 2: I love the Newsreader. It's the best thing I've seen

639
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Speaker 2: for ages. Great acting.

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Speaker 12: Hither.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you on the News Reader. We just

642
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Speaker 2: finished watching again. It's better Toe, which is different to

643
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Speaker 2: what keV just told me, because keV said to me

644
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Speaker 2: they bailed out. It's three because season three because it

645
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Speaker 2: gets silly. Heather the Newsreader is great. Love it from Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Heather the Newsreader is excellent. We watched all three seasons. Heather,

647
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. Then there's a bit of trolling of Olie,

648
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Speaker 2: which I'm not going to read out because I'm not

649
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Speaker 2: a firefighter. I don't want to get investigated here that

650
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Speaker 2: anything with one hundred percent rotten tomatoes gets my tack.

651
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Speaker 2: I went to have a lot. Ross's right, one hundred

652
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Speaker 2: percent rotten tomatoes. So I don't know. You can believe me,

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Speaker 2: You can believe rotten tomatoes, you can believe all those texters,

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Speaker 2: or you can believe OLLI. Now Heidi Clump, because the

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Speaker 2: Grammys are on are underway at the moment, Heidi Clum

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Speaker 2: probably has taken out the award for the worst outfit.

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Speaker 2: She's turned up in. Hard to describe. She's turned up

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Speaker 2: in a dress that's supposed to not look like like's

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Speaker 2: supposed to look like she's not wearing a dress, so

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Speaker 2: she's it's like a full latex in a in a

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Speaker 2: nude color, so it looks like her skin and it's

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Speaker 2: late tex, and it basically shows off everything because it's

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Speaker 2: incredibly figure. So it's a little bit like, I don't

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Speaker 2: really know, it's like wearing a plastic sock all over

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Speaker 2: your body. It's not flattering in the slightest actually, because

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Speaker 2: with Heidi you think supermodel banging body, and then she

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Speaker 2: puts on the latex and you go, oh, that's weirdly

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Speaker 2: showed off. Some weird curves I didn't expect you to have.

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Speaker 2: So there's that. Chapel Roane is probably a Chapel Roone

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Speaker 2: is either it's up there between Heidi and Chapel. Chapel

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Speaker 2: has come. She's the singer by the way, with the

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Speaker 2: red hair. She's come in basically topless. So she's got

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Speaker 2: on a burgundy mesh dress and so it's see through.

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Speaker 2: And then just in case you didn't see enough, she's

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Speaker 2: decided to get her nips out completely. Now she's got

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Speaker 2: nip rings and she has threaded her dress through the

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Speaker 2: nip rings, which is it's a sight. And also, even

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Speaker 2: if it wasn't see through, burgundy is definitely not her color.

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Speaker 2: So there's that as soon as some of those big, big,

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Speaker 2: big awards come and I'm going to run you through

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Speaker 2: that so we can debate that as well, because why

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Speaker 2: not just the Grammys is just getting more mental now, Listen.

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Speaker 2: One of the things in politics that I think is

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Speaker 2: going to become increasingly interesting is what's going on with

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Speaker 2: the critical minerals right, So it was revealed on Saturday

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Speaker 2: that the government is in talks with the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: about signing a critical minerals deal you'll know the critical

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Speaker 2: minerals is the deal that they've signed with Australia. It's

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Speaker 2: also the reason that Trump is obsessed with Greenland apart

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Speaker 2: quite apart from the strategic part of Greenland. The minerals

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Speaker 2: under the ground is what he's into. So we're going

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Speaker 2: to find out for you after half past help us five.

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Speaker 2: John Worth from GEO forty the CEO, will be with

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Speaker 2: us and just run us through what exactly we have

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Speaker 2: got under the ground, how much it's worth, whether we

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Speaker 2: want to be signing this deal or still trading with

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Speaker 2: China on the stuff. Whatever, We'll run us through all

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Speaker 2: of those details. Erica Stanford, Education Minister though, is with us.

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Speaker 2: Next on the report cards news Talk said b.

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Speaker 17: I'm backing Sheiko feel.

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Speaker 2: Another viginy.

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Speaker 1: satellite mobile news dogs That be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. So the school year is kicking off with something new,

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Speaker 2: which is a new reporting system. It's rolling out this

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Speaker 2: year giving parents of primary and intermediate aged kids nationally

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Speaker 2: consistent assessment and reporting of their children's progress. Education Minister

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford is with us. Hi, Erica, hey, how are

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Speaker 2: you well? Thank you don't we already have reports to parents.

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Speaker 7: We do have reports to parents, but they aren't nationally

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Speaker 7: consistent to get some schools who provide very detailed, rich

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Speaker 7: reporting and others who don't do that same level of detail,

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Speaker 7: and so we're just trying to get a consistency across

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Speaker 7: the board because parents want to know how their children

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Speaker 7: are doing, and if they change schools or they go

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Speaker 7: from intermediate to primary, want it. We want it to

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Speaker 7: be the same language across the board and the same

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Speaker 7: level of detail.

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Speaker 2: Again, this is compulsory for all primary and intermediate schools, is.

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Speaker 1: It it is.

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Speaker 7: It's already compulsory that they have to report twice a year,

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Speaker 7: but we are just putting in regulations what they need

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Speaker 7: to report on. So against the new English and Maths curriculum,

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Speaker 7: they'll need to report on reading, writing and maths, but

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Speaker 7: for example, within mathematics they'll have to report on geometry

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Speaker 7: measurement some of the other strands, you know, the number strands,

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Speaker 7: so it'll be more detailed rather than maths tick proficient.

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Speaker 7: It'll actually give you far more granular detail on which

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Speaker 7: strands of maths and how your child is doing in

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Speaker 7: each one, and then what you can do at home

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Speaker 7: to help them. For example, with measurement, it might say,

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Speaker 7: you know, do some baking at home and double the

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Speaker 7: recipes so they have to practice their measurement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the FEEDBA, because I know you trialed

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Speaker 2: it in about eighty five schools. What was the feedback

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Speaker 2: from parents?

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Speaker 10: Did they like it?

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Speaker 7: We trialed the new assessment tool. The reporting framework has

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Speaker 7: been out to schools and out to the sector. We've

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Speaker 7: tried it within a number of different sector groups have

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Speaker 7: all given us extraordinarily good feedback. So there's two parts

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Speaker 7: to this. There's the twice yearly assessment which is brand

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Speaker 7: new as well. So this year schools need to assess

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Speaker 7: children in their progress twice a year and reading, writing,

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Speaker 7: and maths using one of three tools, which will be

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Speaker 7: reducing to two tools next year. That, for the first

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Speaker 7: time in our country's history, gives us a nationally consistent

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Speaker 7: view of student progress over time, so parents know exactly

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Speaker 7: how their kids are doing. No more getting to high

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Speaker 7: school and realizing a kid doesn't know the times tables,

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Speaker 7: because it will be assessed and it will also go

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Speaker 7: alongside teacher judgment and it will be reported on Erica.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I'm getting a lot of texts from parents, completely unprompted,

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Speaker 2: complaining that there are schools who are already running teacher

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Speaker 2: only days as early is this Thursday, just ahead of

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Speaker 2: White Tonguey Day. What's going on here?

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Speaker 7: But schools need to hold curriculum days because I'm about

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Speaker 7: the curriculum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but hang on it. They're just coming back today

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Speaker 2: and then they're back off again on teacher only days

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. That's taken them, Mickey, isn't it Well?

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Speaker 7: They have to hold them across the year, and they

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Speaker 7: do try and hold them close to public holidays, not

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Speaker 7: for the reasons you think, but for the reasons that

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Speaker 7: those tend to be the days that kids take off anyway,

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Speaker 7: and they try to put them on the days where

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Speaker 7: they have the lowest student numbers.

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Speaker 2: Why are they doing it during term breaks?

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Speaker 7: That is an excellent question, my friend, And you should

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Speaker 7: ask the union, Matt because I would love them too.

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Speaker 2: You would love them too, Seymour would love them to.

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Speaker 2: This has been subject to the like this was part

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Speaker 2: of the negotiations at the end of last year. This

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Speaker 2: feels very much. Yeah, like that's loocking you guys the

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Speaker 2: bird are they?

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Speaker 7: Well, there are Sorry, I'm standing outside with buses. I

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Speaker 7: apologize for the noise. There are callback days that teachers

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Speaker 7: can come in during school to break. There's ten of

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Speaker 7: them per year. The problem with them is is that

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Speaker 7: schools have to pay for childcare, travel, food and other allowances,

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Speaker 7: and they just it is difficult for schools. It comes

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Speaker 7: out of their OPSCRP if they do that, and this

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Speaker 7: is part of the union requirements. And I try, you know,

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Speaker 7: we're in negotiations with the union to try and make

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Speaker 7: that a bit easier to get you know, parents, sorry,

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Speaker 7: to get teachers to come back during term break to

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Speaker 7: do their PLD. But it's proving very very difficult that

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Speaker 7: unions are a holding firm over and I want.

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Speaker 2: To say that well, good luck with it, Erica, and

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Speaker 2: thanks very much again, Erica. Sanford Education Minister eleven past five.

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Speaker 1: Together do to c ellen.

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Speaker 2: So the Marori party's internal battle has finally gone to court.

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Speaker 2: This is, of course, the case of mariy amenal Kapa Kenya,

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Speaker 2: who's fighting her expulsion from the party. News Talk ZB

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Speaker 2: political reporter Ethan Griffith has been in court today and

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Speaker 2: is with US High Ethan Hi Heather. Now, this whole

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Speaker 2: thing centers on the claim that she misused her funds.

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Speaker 5: Did she well, I guess that's kind of the one

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Speaker 5: hundred and thirty three thousand dollars question. It's something that

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Speaker 5: Cappa Kingi was focused pretty intently on as she sat

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Speaker 5: in the back of the courtroom today. Now, evidence today

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Speaker 5: shows that Cappakingi was on track to overspend her parliamentary

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Speaker 5: budget by that amount. She essentially had to borrow money

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Speaker 5: from the next year's budget to make up the shortfall. Now,

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Speaker 5: her lawyer Mike Colson claims the party leadership that expelled

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Speaker 5: her for that reason misusing party funds. The key thing

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Speaker 5: here is that Carpa Kingy's side claims they weren't party funds.

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Speaker 5: They were for her parliamentary office, i e. She'd get

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Speaker 5: the money if she was in the party or an independent.

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Speaker 5: On the other side, lawyer for the party, Davey Sammons

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Speaker 5: says the court shouldn't waste its time on quote linguistic exactitudes.

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Speaker 5: She misused the fund's full stop and still hasn't explained why.

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Speaker 5: And all of that's kind of pedantics around the meaning

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Speaker 5: of words, right, But the big piece of evidence to

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Speaker 5: come out of today's hearing is get this. The party

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Speaker 5: co leader's own account was over budget by forty two

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars at the same time. So Cappa Kingi's lawyer says,

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Speaker 5: that's deeply ironic and proves you cannot classify this as monsieur.

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Speaker 2: And the other allegation is that she brought the party

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Speaker 2: into disrepute.

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Speaker 5: How yeah, well, this is the second leg of the expulsion.

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Speaker 5: There's the funds and then there's this. Kappa Kee's lawyers

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Speaker 5: say this entire leg relies on one comment she made

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Speaker 5: to the media where she said, and I'm paraphrasing here,

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Speaker 5: she was trying not to focus on the party's dysfunction,

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Speaker 5: so claiming the party was dysfunctional essentially. Her lawyers say

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Speaker 5: that the parties also trying to hold her responsible for

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Speaker 5: her son's comments. You'll remember this is Edu Kappakinghi, the

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Speaker 5: party's form and vice president, who came out on social

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Speaker 5: media calling the party's leadership dictatorial. Now, Kupa King's lawyers

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Speaker 5: say that she's not remotely responsible for her son's comments,

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Speaker 5: and even then the disrepute bar is too high for

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Speaker 5: it to count. But the party's lawyer, Davey Salmon, on

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Speaker 5: the other hand, compared Kappa kinghy to get this Francis

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Speaker 5: Urkitt from the nineteen ninety BBC drama House of Cards

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Speaker 5: and his famous quote, well you can think that, but

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Speaker 5: I couldn't possibly comment. Essentially, he was saying that this

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Speaker 5: was politics. While Kapa Key didn't make the comments herself,

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Speaker 5: she didn't come out and reject them either.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, Hey, thank you very much, appreciate it, mate. Ethan

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Speaker 2: Griffith's Newstalk ZBI political reporter, sounds like the decision has

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Speaker 2: been reserved, so we'll get it in due course. Fourteen

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Speaker 2: past five, ever, dupl either my son's school is having

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Speaker 2: a teacher only day today, Well there you go. For

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Speaker 2: Al Williams has taken out the Doctor dre Global Impact

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Speaker 2: Award at the Grammys. If you are in Auckland and

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Speaker 2: you're standing outside going wow, I feel like I live

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Speaker 2: in a rain forest, well you're not wrong. The humidity

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Speaker 2: has hit ninety three percent in Auckland today. Napier is

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Speaker 2: currently the hottest place in the country sitting at thirty

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Speaker 2: one degrees, gisbon Is on thirty degrees, fun at a

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Speaker 2: christ Church and Timaru all on twenty seven degrees. So

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Speaker 2: good day to have a pool, Not a good day

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Speaker 2: to go out on a date because you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: ever do for Ce Allen? All right, it's eighteen past

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Speaker 2: five now, as we started the program discussing fire and

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Speaker 2: Emergency is investigating an incident where a firefighter made a

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Speaker 2: rude gesture after speaking to the Prime Minister. So the

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Speaker 2: TikTok video, which has since been taken down, shows the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister chatting to the firefighter and then when he

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Speaker 2: walks away towards the chopper, the firefighter turns away, faces

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Speaker 2: the camera and makes a rude motion that we would

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Speaker 2: describe as feeding the chicks. Max Whitehead is an employment

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Speaker 2: law expert at the white Head Group and is with us.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm Max, Hi, they Heather mate. I cannot help but

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Speaker 2: feel that FENS investigating this is a complete overreaction. Am

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Speaker 2: I wrong?

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Speaker 11: Well to an agree? Possibly you are? Now we can disagree, though, Heather,

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Speaker 11: you and I known each other for a while, but

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Speaker 11: bringing an organization into disrepute is unacceptable. In fact, you

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Speaker 11: just had your last guest I think mentioned the same word.

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Speaker 11: But when a firefighter wears the uniform is representing the

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Speaker 11: fire organization, then they have got to conduct themselves accordingly,

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Speaker 11: and by doing a gesture such as they did, with

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Speaker 11: such as she did, it's going to bring the organization

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Speaker 11: to a bit of disrepute. I did note minister thought

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Speaker 11: it was quite humorous at the time, well, you know,

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Speaker 11: after it was brought to his attention. But I would

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Speaker 11: think that the fire people, the authorities will be quite

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Speaker 11: concerned about it.

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Speaker 2: Do they need to take into account that she's a volunteer,

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Speaker 2: by which I mean surely there are lower standards for

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Speaker 2: a volunteer than a professional.

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Speaker 11: Well, the sad thing here, if she was fired, for example,

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Speaker 11: said right, you're dismissed. We don't want you back here anymore.

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Speaker 11: She can't suit them because she is not an employee.

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Speaker 11: It's I know, because that seems really unfair, being a volunteers,

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Speaker 11: someone out there trying to help our community, and yet

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Speaker 11: she doesn't have the rights to a personal grievance. But

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Speaker 11: she does have a right to go to the disputes tribunal. However,

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Speaker 11: I don't even think their remedies would probably cover for

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Speaker 11: what she's probably requiring in this particular argument.

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Speaker 2: She have an argument though that yeah, I mean, look

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Speaker 2: what she shouldn't have done it. You know, but everybody

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Speaker 2: is a little bit about politicians from time to time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know I say stuff about politicians that

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want people to hear out loud. There isn't

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Speaker 2: the actual problem whoever it is that actually stuck it

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Speaker 2: up on TikTok, it's really their fault.

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Speaker 11: Well, I know she took the action, so you're really

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Speaker 11: going to go back to the source end and it

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Speaker 11: is not appropriate. But do you know whither You and

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Speaker 11: I would probably smile about this because it wasn't offending

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Speaker 11: to such a degree. But and also you're very very correct.

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Speaker 11: Most people do have some awful things to say about

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Speaker 11: politicians behind their back, but to their face and to

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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister, one of the most highest ranking people

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Speaker 11: of out community.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 11: She's bordering on possibly being reprimanded at the minimum.

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Speaker 2: You're all right, Max, you're a hard man. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Max's Whitehead employment law expert at the White Head group. Heather,

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Speaker 2: I actually love and agree with your thoughts reluxant in

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Speaker 2: the fire and how I've lost account of the amount

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Speaker 2: of times I've been called a word that rhymes with banker. Yeah, Trevor,

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Speaker 2: thank you. You and I are alone in this Trevor

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Speaker 2: five to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duple Clan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else

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Speaker 1: news talks. They'd be Heather.

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Speaker 2: There is no respect in this country and that's why

946
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Speaker 2: the firemen did the thing that the firemen did, So

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Five twenty four. Tell you what

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Speaker 2: my first thought about Andrew over the weekend. You know

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Speaker 2: who I'm talking about, formerly the Prince, now Andrew mount

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Speaker 2: Batten Windsor. My first thought over the weekend with all

951
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Speaker 2: those weird photos that was released in the latest run

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Speaker 2: of the Epstein Files was that I'm glad that his

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Speaker 2: mum is not around to see this, because I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what, is one thing to read about what Andrew

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Speaker 2: has done and is probably still doing. It is quite

956
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Speaker 2: another to see photos of him and all falls on

957
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Speaker 2: the floor with an unidentified woman. I mean That's weird,

958
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Speaker 2: isn't it. Probably The biggest thing that happened Andrew wise

959
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Speaker 2: over the weekend though, was not actually the release of

960
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Speaker 2: those inexplicable photos, but what a caused, which is the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister of the UK, Kiir Starmer to pipe up

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Speaker 2: and say something about it when he said that Andrew

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Speaker 2: should testify in the US Congress over what he knows

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Speaker 2: about Epstein's crimes. That's a big deal. Is a really

965
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Speaker 2: big deal that Kairs Starmer said something, because the convention

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Speaker 2: has been that the royals stay out of politics and

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Speaker 2: that politicians stay away from the royals until now. Now,

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Speaker 2: if we want to get into hair splitting territory, you

969
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Speaker 2: can say Andrew was fair game to Kiostarmer because he's

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Speaker 2: not a royal anymore since his titles were taken off him.

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Speaker 2: But he still is the brother of the king. And

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Speaker 2: so for most people, they're not going to see the

973
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Speaker 2: nuance there. They're just going to see that the UK

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Speaker 2: political leaders having a crack at a royal. And as

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Speaker 2: I've said before, I think actually this is probably the

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Speaker 2: biggest problem that Andrew has created. He is eroding the

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Speaker 2: magic of the royals. Sure, you can make the argument

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Speaker 2: that actually it's been eroding for decades, maybe since the

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Speaker 2: bad call from the Queen with flags after Diana died,

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Speaker 2: maybe since earlier, maybe since tampon Gate. Maybe it's salvagible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Royals have survived a lot, right, They've

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Speaker 2: survived the abdication. They can probably survive Andrew, But boy

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Speaker 2: is he making them work for it and opening the

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Speaker 2: door to politicians giving their reckens about the brother of

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Speaker 2: the king. Was Hey, what they're going to be hoping?

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Speaker 2: That's a door that's only temporarily opened, and it's only

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Speaker 2: open for.

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Speaker 1: Andrewgather do for Selish.

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Speaker 2: We got the huddle standing by. Actually they're going to

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Speaker 2: be with us shortly, Trician Josie. We'll have a chat

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Speaker 2: to them about that.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: This is the wrap up of some of the big

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Speaker 2: ones from the Grammys. So Best Pop Vocal Album has

995
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Speaker 2: gone to Lady Gaga for Mayhem, Best Contemporary Country Album,

996
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Speaker 2: Beautifully Broken by Jelly Roll, Best Musica Urbana Album. This

997
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Speaker 2: is something we don't actually tend to care about, but

998
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Speaker 2: it's gone to Bad Bunny. Now what you need to

999
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Speaker 2: know is Bad Bunny is massive globally, and we pay

1000
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Speaker 2: him hardly any attention whatsoever in the country. It's the

1001
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Speaker 2: weirdest thing. We don't listen to Bad Bunny. They're all

1002
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Speaker 2: listening to Bad Bunny. Anyway. He had a crack at

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Speaker 2: the ice.

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Speaker 1: Before I say.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to God, I'm going to.

1006
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Speaker 9: Say, eyes out.

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Speaker 16: We're not savas, We're not animals, we're not elias, we

1008
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Speaker 16: aren't humans, and we are Americans.

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Speaker 2: I'm the one that I never thought that I would

1010
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Speaker 2: care about. Now I actually weirdly do his best children's

1011
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Speaker 2: music album. So I'm going to go and dig this out.

1012
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Speaker 2: I don't even know how to pronounce it huge and

1013
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Speaker 2: or v, I don't know whatever. If it's better than

1014
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Speaker 2: the Wiggles and Coco Melon, I'm going to take it. Anything,

1015
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Speaker 2: anything is better than that critical mineral strategy and whether

1016
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Speaker 2: we should sign the deal with Donald Trump, We're going

1017
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Speaker 2: to deal with that.

1018
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Speaker 1: Next news, the day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather

1019
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Speaker 1: dup c Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the

1020
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Speaker 1: Power of satellite mobile news talks.

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Speaker 2: They to the Grammy Share has been given the Lifetime

1022
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Speaker 2: Achievement Award, and the Record of the Year has gone

1023
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Speaker 2: to Kendrick Lamar for Luther featuring Scissor. This means Kendrick

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Speaker 2: Lamar has now got twenty two Grammy wins from sixty

1025
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Speaker 2: six nominations across his career, which makes them absolutely one

1026
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Speaker 2: hundred percent the most successful rap artist in history, which

1027
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Speaker 2: is pretty remarkable. Nikola Willis will be with us as

1028
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Speaker 2: per usual after six because it's Monday right now, it's

1029
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Speaker 2: twenty five away from six. So it's been revealed that

1030
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration is talking to our government about possibly

1031
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Speaker 2: signing a critical minerals deal. Australia signed one last year,

1032
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Speaker 2: the Ukraine signed one, and these minerals are part of

1033
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Speaker 2: the reason that Trump is obsessed with Greenland. GEO forty

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Speaker 2: CEO in Managing Director John Werth is with us. Hi, John, Hi, here,

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Speaker 2: they heard you? Well, thank you. How much of the

1036
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Speaker 2: stuff have we got on the ground.

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Speaker 17: Look, with New Zealand is quite mineral rich. It isn't

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Speaker 17: always easy to get hold of the minerals in New Zealand,

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Speaker 17: and I guess we're a bit different to that where

1040
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Speaker 17: we're a technology to find those minerals anywhere on Earth.

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Speaker 2: So so how much of it, like, is it significant?

1042
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Speaker 2: Are we international significant?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 17: I think we're relatively small by international standards, but there's

1045
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Speaker 17: enough interesting stuff here such that a whole series of

1046
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Speaker 17: Kiwi companies have developed pretty clever technology to source those minerals.

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Speaker 17: And I think what we find exciting is the potential

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Speaker 17: to take that technology offshore.

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Speaker 2: So our the stuff that we're using to get out

1050
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Speaker 2: is the real saleable component here rather than what we've

1051
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Speaker 2: got on the ground.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, a little bit of bout. So we saw silica

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Speaker 17: and the central Orthiland close to Typo, and we sell

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Speaker 17: you several thousand tons of that all around the world.

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Speaker 17: So we certainly do it here, but I think that

1056
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Speaker 17: probably the bigger potential is to export key we know

1057
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Speaker 17: how in tech, you know, to a much bigger global opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Is there a reason why we don't just do it

1059
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Speaker 2: in the like old fashioned mining, dig a hole in

1060
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Speaker 2: the ground, get the stuff out.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, there's an emerging narrative here. So certainly a lot

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Speaker 17: of based metals, you know, we still mind copper and

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Speaker 17: gold that way. I think in some of these strategic

1064
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Speaker 17: minerals like lithium particularly and others which include boron and caesium,

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Speaker 17: you can find them in underground fluids, and this is

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Speaker 17: quite quite a new type of mining where rather than

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Speaker 17: digging up rocks and crushing them, you find these old

1068
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Speaker 17: aquifers deep in the ground, and we develop technology to

1069
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Speaker 17: get these minerals out of these fluids.

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Speaker 2: Why is there I mean, we're talking even again now,

1071
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Speaker 2: we're talking a lot about potentially getting gold out of

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Speaker 2: the ground. Sentana and all those guys. Why are we

1073
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Speaker 2: not having a similar conversation about these critical minerals.

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Speaker 17: Look, I think when we started our journey at G forty,

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Speaker 17: you know, nobody was talking about critical minerals, right, it

1076
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Speaker 17: wasn't really a thing. And I think you know, the

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Speaker 17: growth of the ev sector and the imperative to have

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Speaker 17: listenum in just about every device we own has really

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Speaker 17: given birth to this. And you'll hear this extended to

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Speaker 17: things like rare earths, you know, and all the magnets

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Speaker 17: and all the motives that we use. So it's really

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Speaker 17: it's really come from OWHRE in the last decade. And

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Speaker 17: now these are the interesting thing about these minerals is

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Speaker 17: these are really the minerals that power decarbonization. If we

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Speaker 17: want to drive electric cars, you know, we need these minerals.

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Speaker 17: And there they're getting harder to find, you know, they're

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Speaker 17: quite widely present around the world. But this opportunity to

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Speaker 17: pull them out of these underground fluence is really very exciting.

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Speaker 2: So if you have a look, if you were to

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Speaker 2: compare it to the amount of gold that we've got

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Speaker 2: on the ground, is it more or less?

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Speaker 17: Look globally, we believe this potential to get more lithium

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Speaker 17: out of the ground from Brian than has currently been

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00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 17: minded hard rock. So I think that the potential is enormous.

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Speaker 17: But beyond that, what getting lithium out of the or

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Speaker 17: and other minerals out of his Brian's does is it

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Speaker 17: creates a fairer and flatter geopolitical landscape.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of what New Zealand can supply, do

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00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: we have more of the stuff in the ground than

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Speaker 2: we have gold or less. I'm trying to get a

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Speaker 2: handle on how much of the stuff we've got.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, I think there's there's quite a bit of

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Speaker 17: discussions not about whether we can contribute rare earth supply,

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Speaker 17: you know, to the global rare earth demand.

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Speaker 1: I think we can do a little bit of that.

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Speaker 7: We certainly do silica quite large scale.

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Speaker 1: We can do more of that.

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Speaker 17: There's a little bit of lithium here not a great deal.

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Speaker 17: So we're focused on lithium offshore, and of course we

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Speaker 17: have gold and copro.

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Speaker 2: And other resources and antimony. We have some antominy.

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Speaker 7: We we have some antimony as well.

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Speaker 17: Yep, correct, and that's also found in Brian So that's

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Speaker 17: that's super interesting for us.

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Speaker 2: Now, John, So do we sell any of this stuff

1116
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Speaker 2: to China? Because it feels to me like we're lining up,

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00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: were at least being lined up by the Trump administration

1118
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Speaker 2: to choose between the two.

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Speaker 17: Look, look, we don't And I guess what's that sitting

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Speaker 17: behind all this, of course is the geopolitics of critical

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Speaker 17: minerals and not just the sourcing of them, but also

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Speaker 17: the refining and improvement of them. So there is a

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Speaker 17: globe we'll move on together, I guess, a more level

1124
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Speaker 17: geopolitical sort of both sourcing and refining landscape, and certainly

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Speaker 17: we're playing our part of that by trying to export

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Speaker 17: our technology around the world.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Hey, John, thanks very much for talking us

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Speaker 2: through at John Worth's CEO managing director at GEO forty.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you read the international papers, you

1130
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Speaker 2: will see that there's there a meeting that is due

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Speaker 2: to happen this week involving our ministers, ministers from the US,

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Speaker 2: the UK, the EU, Australia about the subject by the way, Japan, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, India,

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Speaker 2: South Korea, Mexico, possibly Argentina, and they're all going to

1134
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Speaker 2: be discussing the calls that that have been issued towards

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Speaker 2: the US to guarantee a minimum price for these critical

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Speaker 2: minerals and rare earths. So if you're wondering, Ah, what

1137
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Speaker 2: are the chances we're going to sign this document with Trump,

1138
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Speaker 2: I'd say probably quite high. Twenty away from six the

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Speaker 2: huddle with.

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Speaker 2: Child Fund. Hi, are you too?

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Speaker 18: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Are you that right? What do you reckon? Trish? Should

1147
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: the firefighter be investigated?

1148
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 10: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 19: I mean it's ridiculous to think that a meme, what's

1150
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 19: essentially turned into a gesture that's turned into a meme,

1151
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 19: should now be turned into a disciplinary process. It's a

1152
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 19: reminder to you know, the leaders in our organizations that

1153
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 19: they're going to have to be a bit more grown

1154
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 19: up when it comes to reacting to stuff like this

1155
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 19: that rears its head on social media. Then they get

1156
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 19: a call from the media to say what are you

1157
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 19: going to do? And their first reaction is an investigation.

1158
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Speaker 19: I actually thought the PM this morning, the way he

1159
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 19: laughed it off, I thought it was smart, smart politics.

1160
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Speaker 19: He didn't go into perl clutching about it, which would

1161
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 19: be ridiculous. But I think what what it reminds us of?

1162
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Speaker 19: Number One? In New Zealand, we love humor like this.

1163
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 19: That that video went around New Zealand in lightning speed

1164
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Speaker 19: over the weekend and we all had a bit of

1165
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Speaker 19: a chuckle. But underlying that, I think is what I

1166
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Speaker 19: would call the contempt gap. You know, politicians used to

1167
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Speaker 19: be held in sort of or whereas these days for

1168
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 19: a lot of people, you know, they just they don't

1169
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 19: have the same feeling anymore. People are feeling unheard. There

1170
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Speaker 19: is this respect around. But the good news for New

1171
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 19: Zealand is if this is the level of our you know,

1172
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Speaker 19: showing what we actually feel about politicians, we're in a

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Speaker 19: pretty good space compared to other countries too, right, Jose,

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Speaker 19: what do you think. Yeah, I mean the firefighter that

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Speaker 19: this woman who did this gesture, she wasn't doing it

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Speaker 19: to the cameras, she wasn't doing it in public. She

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 19: was clearly turning around doing it to a mate of

1178
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Speaker 19: his and going, you know what a banker and so

1179
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Speaker 19: you know, the fact that it went public isn't her fault.

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Speaker 19: And I think you made that point too. She hasn't

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00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 19: she hasn't sort of put this up on tech took herself,

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Speaker 19: and I think your right trius. Luxen's response was actually

1183
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 19: really good. He just said, you know, stay calm, lasted off,

1184
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Speaker 19: although he did use one of his you know, menu of.

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Speaker 18: Cliches and metaphors. I think he said something like, you know,

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Speaker 18: well there's a lot of moving parts, which I have

1187
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 18: no idea what he means by that. And I think

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00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 18: that also talks to another bigger problem here though, which

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Speaker 18: you alluded to, Trish, that it shows also I think

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00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 18: that Luxem is just not really connecting with people despite

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00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 18: the hand on the shoulder, and that's a problem for national,

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00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 18: isn't it. I mean that, you know, there's a feeling

1193
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 18: that he just talks like chat GPT, he doesn't really

1194
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 18: talk like a human. He talks like a spreadsheet. And

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00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 18: you know, this is just another example of him not

1196
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Speaker 18: really connecting. And I think this is just this problem

1197
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Speaker 18: for National is just going to keep accelerating because unfortunately,

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Speaker 18: connecting with the voters is part of the job.

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Speaker 10: Do you know what I thought?

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Speaker 19: The toughest part of watching that video was so Luxein's

1201
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 19: he's gone from just patting someone on the arm to

1202
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 19: it to sort of a rub like you'd give you

1203
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 19: great auntie, which is, you know, you need to pull

1204
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 19: back on that, keep hands herself. But then he walks

1205
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 19: away and he's like the unco kid in the playground,

1206
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 19: thinking he's really made.

1207
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Speaker 2: Strides with the cool gang.

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Speaker 19: And so he's walking away and he thinks, should I'll

1209
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 19: turn back and give them one more wave? That went

1210
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 19: so well? And so he's in the background waving again

1211
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Speaker 19: and she's in the front still gesture. It was quite

1212
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Speaker 19: a hard watch.

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Speaker 2: It's awful, and.

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Speaker 18: It's kind of like you feel that his political advisors

1215
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 18: will be telling him again and again, you know, be yourself,

1216
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 18: be yourself. But the problem is what is being yourself

1217
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 18: is that you you know, basically are outperformed by your

1218
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 18: lecterns every time you give a speech.

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Speaker 19: So I don't know.

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Speaker 18: You know, it's hard to know what to do with him,

1221
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 18: isn't it. He's not doing anything wrong as such, he's

1222
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 18: saying the right things. He responded, well this morning, it's

1223
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 18: just not connecting. We just don't love him, and you've

1224
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 18: got to love someone who's the leader of your country,

1225
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Speaker 18: or at least admire them.

1226
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just have to enjoy this video, I think again.

1227
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Speaker 2: We'll take a break, come back to you, guys. Shortly

1228
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Speaker 2: caught it to.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the heart old Joseph Agani tresiuson. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Josie Madeline has sent me a text and it's the

1232
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Speaker 2: first plausible explanation I have for what the hell Andrew

1233
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: was doing on his hands and knees. She reckons he

1234
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: might have been doing a first aid course and the

1235
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Speaker 2: woman was a dummy.

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Speaker 18: Well, anyone who's done a first day course, it's it's

1237
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 18: only half a tulso, so I don't think that that

1238
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 18: explanation stacks up. That was a whole body. It's just

1239
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 18: it's really weird The weird bit about it is his

1240
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 18: look to camera, like I believe he was doing some

1241
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 18: kind of abdominal massage if he didn't have that weird

1242
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 18: look to the camera where he looks like, you know,

1243
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 18: cat that got the milk and he's about to do

1244
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 18: something awful. It's just, oh my god, what a what

1245
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 18: an incredible stain on you know, King Charles and this

1246
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 18: new rain. It just feels so sordid. It's the whole

1247
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 18: thing Fiells salacious sort. But the other thing that struck

1248
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Speaker 18: me about it is, you know, all this stuff coming

1249
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 18: out this weekend and we're all reading it kind of

1250
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 18: you know, intake of breast going every time we read.

1251
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Speaker 18: Another example of all of these media people I'm not

1252
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 18: going to name them, but media, you know, leaders of

1253
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 18: the world, business leaders, political leaders, either in their underpants

1254
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 18: or worried about their STDs, or you know, flying to

1255
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 18: the Lita Island on the Lita Express and you look

1256
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 18: at it and you go, oh my god. The conspiracy

1257
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 18: theorist they actually have a little bit right. But there's

1258
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 18: this sort of weird elite class that thinks that it

1259
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 18: doesn't have to obey any rules, any laws, any moral codes.

1260
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Speaker 18: And it's kind of running the world and you sort

1261
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Speaker 18: of go, God, they've got a point.

1262
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they often do have a little bit of

1263
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: a point somewhere. Do you make it? I reckon Kiirstarma's

1264
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: intervention is probably the most problematic for the Royals.

1265
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, I think when this whole saga is

1266
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 19: looked back on in you know, in his in the

1267
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 19: Annals of History, I think there's two things that will

1268
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 19: come out. One is Epstein will be probably considered the

1269
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 19: ultimate con man that he could come literally from nothing,

1270
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 19: fake his way from being a teacher in a classroom

1271
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 19: to then conning all of these you know, these guys

1272
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 19: into doing what he wanted when he wanted and obviously

1273
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 19: he was documenting stuff, so he had it in the

1274
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 19: top drawer to keep them doing what he wanted. And

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Speaker 19: I think secondly, it will be one of the biggest

1276
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 19: lessons ever in fronting up on something and dealing with

1277
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 19: it first before it completely destroys you. This will be

1278
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 19: the lesson for the Royal family in history. I mean,

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 19: Andrew has been it's just been a disgrace the whole

1280
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 19: way through how he's wanted to handle it. But the

1281
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 19: terrible thing is that the royal family has gone along

1282
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 19: with that, and now with this next release, he is

1283
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 19: always now the lightning rod or the sort of example

1284
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 19: of just how disgraceful this whole thing was.

1285
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Speaker 18: But you know, I think you and I and Heather

1286
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 18: would not be taken in by this con man, right,

1287
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 18: So I don't believe they were particularly taken I do

1288
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 18: think that there's just some sort of addiction to celebrity.

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Speaker 18: They all wanted to be in this network because he

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Speaker 18: was hanging out with the leaders and shakers and the

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Speaker 18: celebrities and the you know, if you wanted to be

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Speaker 18: with the people ruling the world, that's where you had

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Speaker 18: to be. And I just don't believe, you know, it

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Speaker 18: was gud was arrested, you know, for for association with

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Speaker 18: minor or whatever it was, when his first prison term,

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Speaker 18: and still these people were texting him and loving him

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Speaker 18: and sending him, you know, kisses and saying let's meet up.

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Speaker 18: So there's something kind of sick at the heart of

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Speaker 18: it where you think. I don't think they were conned.

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Speaker 18: I think they're just, you know, there's some sort of

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Speaker 18: bad moral code that exists in this network of people.

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Speaker 2: But money was that not all it was I mean,

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Speaker 2: Foogie kept coming back for the money. The New Zealand

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Speaker 2: academic was in it for the money. All of these

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Speaker 2: people wanted to be with him because he was he

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Speaker 2: was loaded. Well that's the thing.

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Speaker 18: He Bill Gates and don't need the money, and they're

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Speaker 18: hanging out with him and you know, worried about But

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Speaker 18: that's the thing with Epstein.

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Speaker 19: He didn't have money. He conned his way into having

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Speaker 19: some wealth behind him, and he was just absolutely he

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Speaker 19: must he was a master con artist. He knew psychologically

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Speaker 19: what drove these guys where they you know, he knew

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Speaker 19: that where he could push their moral compasses right off

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Speaker 19: the edge, and that's the way that he got them

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Speaker 19: into this vortex of grub and filth. And ultimately, I

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Speaker 19: think what this tranche of release has shown is that

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Speaker 19: the most damaging part of this is not just their

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Speaker 19: association with them. It's now showing that they have been

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Speaker 19: lying and cheating all the way along, and that they're

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Speaker 19: timing in contact to your earlier point, Josie, they were

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Speaker 19: donkey deep with the sky even after his first his

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Speaker 19: first jail time, they literally didn't care about that.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good point, ladies, it's lovely to chat

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Speaker 2: to the pair of you. Thank you, Trishas and josephgunny

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Speaker 2: O at ahrdle this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper See Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talks be Heather.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to bring your children up to tell

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Speaker 2: them the way that the firewoman treated the prime minister

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Speaker 2: of our country was fine as well? No, I'm quite

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Speaker 2: I think text along those Are you're going to teach

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Speaker 2: your children to do that kind of thing behind sammling back. No,

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Speaker 2: but I'm also going to try to teach my children

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Speaker 2: not to flip out about absolutely everything. Otherwise you're going

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Speaker 2: to run out of energy by about half past eleven

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Speaker 2: in the morning. Which, yes, I know you're probably sitting there.

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Speaker 2: That sironic coming from you, and I do see the irony.

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Speaker 2: I do, Hey, this I speaking of irony. Guess what

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Speaker 2: Steve Hanson and Ian Foster have been asked to consider

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Speaker 2: applying for the All Blacks head coach job. In a

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Speaker 2: way I did, I mean Steve Hanson, I mean he

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Speaker 2: was very successful. Ian Foster Liso and I remain not

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Speaker 2: convinced by Ian Foster, but for his own as a human.

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Speaker 2: I feel somewhat happy for him because the way that

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Speaker 2: he was treated by the n z Are towards the

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Speaker 2: end was just outrageous. So I'm very happy, like he

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Speaker 2: must feel somewhat vindicated and get.

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Speaker 10: Us to the final World Cup final. That was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It was a lumpy ride to get there though. Ay

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Speaker 2: that's a fair point. Hey, now listen, I guess so

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Speaker 2: they just told me so. Bad Bunny has one Album

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Speaker 2: of the Year, which prompted the question, well, what did

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Speaker 2: I what did I just?

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Speaker 1: What did I just tell you?

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Speaker 2: Lamar? Kendrick Lamar had one Oh no, sorry, that was

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Speaker 2: an album of the Record of the Year, which obviously

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Speaker 2: prompts the question, well, what's the difference. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but the latest from the Grammys is Bad Bunny has

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Speaker 2: won Album of the Year. Not to be confused with

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Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar winning Record of the Year. They are two

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Speaker 2: completely different things. Nicola Willis is with us next News

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Speaker 2: Talk zedb.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down? What were the major calls? And

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy? The big business questions

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Speaker 1: on The Business Hour with headther Dupless, Allen and Mas

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, your futures in good hands. US talk SEDB.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour, Shane Soley's

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Speaker 2: going to talk us through why Trump's pick for US

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Speaker 2: Federal Reserve chairs calmed the markets, christ Church City councilor

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Speaker 2: Sam McDonald on the city selling assets debate. And we're

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Speaker 2: going to go to the UK for the latest on

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Speaker 2: the Andrew Drammer right now at seven past six and

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis Finance ministers with US high Nicola, Hi, Can

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Speaker 2: I just start by talking to you about the insurance

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Speaker 2: fire fascinated by this? This is sorry the weather related

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Speaker 2: by arts and the insurance. Have we as a country

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Speaker 2: decided no to the buyouts?

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Speaker 8: Well, we have a natural hazard scheme where everyone who

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Speaker 8: has home insurance pays a levy and that goes towards

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Speaker 8: the Natural Hazards Fund. And what that means is if

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Speaker 8: because of flooding or landslide there is damage to your land,

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Speaker 8: you are insured by the state insurer to partially recover that.

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Speaker 8: And if there's a landslide to your actual home you

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Speaker 8: also get insurance coverage for that. So we do have

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Speaker 8: that coverage in place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the case of West Aukland, getting flooded

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Speaker 2: and then wanting their houses bought out. Have we put

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Speaker 2: is there a line in the sand on that no more?

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Speaker 2: Or have we not reached that line yet?

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Speaker 8: There haven't been any discussions about that. As I say,

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Speaker 8: We've got the natural Hazard scheme there, and we always

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Speaker 8: encourage people that if they can take out insurance, they should.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when do we draw a line because Simon

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Speaker 2: wats As indicated we will be When.

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Speaker 1: Will that be?

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Speaker 8: Well, certainly, as I've said, we're not having discussions about

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Speaker 8: it in the context of the recent weather events. We

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Speaker 8: have that National Insurance Commission there for a reason. It's

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Speaker 8: there to provide limited coverage in the event of hazardous

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Speaker 8: natural hazards that earthquaker weather.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that necessarily, the weather that we

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Speaker 2: were struck with just recently. I'm just meaning in general.

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Speaker 2: So we clearly haven't drawn a line just yet. At

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Speaker 2: what point are we talking five years, ten years, fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: twenty years.

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Speaker 8: Well, well, in a sense, we have really clear policy

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Speaker 8: settings and that is why I'm continuing to refer back

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Speaker 8: to the Natural Hazards Fund because in New Zealand, if

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Speaker 8: you own a property, generally, if you've got a mortgage,

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Speaker 8: your bank requires you to have insurance, and at the

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Speaker 8: point you have insurance, you also have some government cover

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Speaker 8: for damage to your land and buildings that may occur,

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Speaker 8: so that insurance is there. And our message has been

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Speaker 8: a really clear one, which is you don't want to

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Speaker 8: be in a situation where people who don't get insurance

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Speaker 8: get paid out, whereas those people have paid their premiums

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Speaker 8: their whole life get the same amount of coverage. So

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Speaker 8: there is a bit of moral hazard there if you

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Speaker 8: start covering people who chose not to ensure.

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Speaker 2: But we do cover people who chose not to ensure, right,

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Speaker 2: We do this all the time. So this is why

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Speaker 2: I I mean, the default at the moment is if

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Speaker 2: you really really need help and you've got absolutely no

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Speaker 2: one else to turn to, you can turn to the

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Speaker 2: government and they'll buy your house. That's the default, at

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Speaker 2: least in people's minds.

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Speaker 8: When are we going to change that, Well, as I've

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Speaker 8: said that, certainly not in discussions in the context of and.

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Speaker 2: Need to have discussions about that, because we cannot keep

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Speaker 2: buying people's stuff. It's going to cost us billions of dollars.

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Speaker 8: Well, i'd put it to you the other way around,

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Speaker 8: which is to say we need to send a clear

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Speaker 8: message that actually, when you choose where to buy your home,

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Speaker 8: part of the assessment you need to make is about

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Speaker 8: whether that is a safe place to have your home. Now,

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Speaker 8: the council has a really important and our government actually

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Speaker 8: in January this year made very clear directives to every

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Speaker 8: local government authority that they need to make it clear

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Speaker 8: on their maps where the hazards are, what the risks

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Speaker 8: are to property, whether from flooding and in ditation, sea

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Speaker 8: level rise, other risks, so that bars can be aware

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Speaker 8: when they go to purchase a property what risks come

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Speaker 8: with it, and then they need to make their purchasing

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Speaker 8: and insurance decisions accordingly. And we've seen the insurance companies

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Speaker 8: moving in this space. They're in some cases increasing their

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Speaker 8: levees in areas which are higher risk, and in some

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Speaker 8: cases there's evidence that's starting to be reflected in property prices.

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Speaker 8: That is to say, people aren't paying as much for

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Speaker 8: properties in flood planing areas or areas where there may

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Speaker 8: be sea level rise.

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Speaker 2: In the future. Okay, what is the consideration at the moment,

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Speaker 2: Why are we taking our time with the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: Mineral strategy business. Why don't we just sign the thing?

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Speaker 8: Oh well, New Zealand has been having discussions with the

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Speaker 8: United States alongside men the other countries about critical minerals.

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Speaker 8: Of course, the US has concluded agreements with some countries,

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Speaker 8: but I understand they're underway and discussions with around forty

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Speaker 8: other countries, and we're working our way through this to

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Speaker 8: see what we can get. That's a framework that progresses

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Speaker 8: New Zealand's economic growth and resilience. And of course we're

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Speaker 8: just talking through the detail of that this offer.

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Speaker 2: It's signing one of these deals. Does it preclude us

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Speaker 2: from selling the same stuff to China? Because it's a

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Speaker 2: China The US game here, isn't it? So if we

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Speaker 2: sign it, do we have to sell it so the

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Speaker 2: good guys are not to China?

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Speaker 8: Well, New Zealand's approach is not aimed at any country.

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Speaker 8: It's grounded in our own trade and economic interests. And

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Speaker 8: it has been a condition of all of these deals

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Speaker 8: that the United States has done with other countries that

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Speaker 8: they are non binding.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it will not stop us selling it to others.

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Speaker 8: Well, as I say, we haven't signed up to a

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Speaker 8: framework yet, and what we're doing is pursuing our strong

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Speaker 8: interest and developing the critical minerals. If we've got really

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Speaker 8: valuable things under the ground, we do want to see

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Speaker 8: people investing in responsibly mining those for use. That's good

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Speaker 8: for the economy and we do want to see New

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Speaker 8: Zealanders getting jobs and it comes out of that. So

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Speaker 8: working with the US and others to do that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Do we know how much we've got under the ground, Like,

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Speaker 2: have we quantified it?

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Speaker 8: Well, there is some mapping that's gone on, but that's

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Speaker 8: actually an area that the Ministry for Business is looking

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Speaker 8: into more to get some more information about exactly what

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Speaker 8: we do have in New Zealand and going to take.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 8: Of course, naturally people tend to do that investigation when

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Speaker 8: they're deciding to explore for themselves. And we have a

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Speaker 8: goal as a government to increase our exports of minerals

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Speaker 8: and resources because we think that that's a source of

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Speaker 8: considerable wealth for the future.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how long is it going to take to find

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Speaker 2: out how much we've got under there? Like are we

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Speaker 2: talking gears or months?

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Speaker 8: Well, we do have some information, but there's it's always

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Speaker 8: a matter of getting more information. When people look into

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Speaker 8: to a particular geographic location where there might have been

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Speaker 8: some indicative data that says there's some and then they

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Speaker 8: might explore it further to see, well, just how dense

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Speaker 8: is it, how much is there? What would be the

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01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 8: extraction and processing required to get it out?

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Speaker 2: Did you see the Herald analysis on the fees free

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Speaker 2: policy last week?

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01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: Yes? I did?

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Speaker 8: And you know what I told you so, I said

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 8: the minute Labor announced that policy. This is not going

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01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 8: to help a single child from an underprivileged background to.

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't do that. Don't be doing that.

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Speaker 2: Why haven't you cut it?

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Speaker 14: Then?

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Speaker 8: Well, because we've completely changed the policy and as in

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 8: our agreement with New Zealand first, instead of getting a

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 8: first year fees free, well no, but hei to hear

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Speaker 8: me out. Because your listeners may not be aware of this,

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:44,440
Speaker 8: and you've just switched.

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Speaker 2: It change to the last year. You don't have to

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: over explain it. It's pretty small.

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Speaker 8: It's a pretty big difference because here's the thing. You

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01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 8: can only get it if you complete the qualification whatever.

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Speaker 8: What we don't want to be doing is paying people

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Speaker 8: to have a hear and have some fun.

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Speaker 2: It does make a difference if the first three.

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Speaker 8: Well, it considerably reduces the cost here this, so it

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 8: makes a difference from my perspective looking at the box.

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Speaker 8: That's for sure for everyone who just wants to have

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 8: some fun for a year. We're actually only going to

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 8: help people with the fees for that final year if

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 8: they complete their past time.

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Speaker 2: I spoke to you about it, and you said you

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01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: were going to talk to Uncle Winston and find out

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 2: whether you were allowed to cut it. Have you had

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01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:20,480
Speaker 2: that conversation.

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Speaker 8: I have spoken with his office and Love indicated that

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 8: the coalition agreement stands. What National agreed with New Zealand

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01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 8: first was that we would change fees free to final

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01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 8: years fees free.

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01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: And you're allowed to won't leave you.

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 8: They have They've indicated they're not very interested in that

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 8: at this moment, and of course my job is to

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 8: go and find the money so that we can invest

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01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 8: in defense force capability.

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's enough that you got the answer

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01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 2: that I wanted. Next question is are you going to

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01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: campaign on this or would you consider it after the

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: next election if you're free of Winston, would you cut it?

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01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think we do need to look at whether it

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 8: achieves anything, and I'm conscious that we have a really

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01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 8: high rate of subsidy for New Zealand tertiary students. The

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 8: government pays north of seventy five percent of the overall

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 8: cost of your tertiary education. People think you're paying for

1554
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 8: it because you're borrowing alone. Well, that's only for about

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01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,480
Speaker 8: twenty five percent of the cost. The government cubbily subsidizing

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Speaker 8: the rest. Well, Look, that's something that our caucus will

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01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 8: have to consider, but I'm of the view that we

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 8: should always be looking to see that dollars are having

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01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 8: the maximum impact.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Nicola, appreciate it. Nichola Willis, Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by Newstalks EBB. Approaching the numbers

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01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: and getting the results. It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Maths, insurance and investments, Your Futures in

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: Good Hands ustalks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Heather, what was the point of Nicola coming on? That

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 2: was useless? She had no answers. Look, I'm not going

1569
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 2: to lie that I am feeling a bit of frustration

1570
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 2: at the minute, and I do hope things get better

1571
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 2: over the coming weeks as we get closer to election,

1572
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 2: because I don't I only dealt with three of the

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01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: many topics that I wanted to talk to Nicola about,

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01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: and I literally know nothing. I do not have answerstanding.

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to stop the weather

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: related buyouts. I do not know if the government knows

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: how much we've got in terms of critical minerals under

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: the ground or when they're going to know. I do

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: not know if the National Party is going to consider

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01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: cutting fees free after the next election. So I literally

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01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: know nothing. So to the point useless interview, It does

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 2: feel a little bit like that from my perspective, but

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01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, we live in hope, maybe just a bit

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Speaker 2: rusty after the old summer break nineteen past six. Shane

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Speaker 2: solely harbor Asset Management is with me, Elo Shane, Yeah, hello,

1586
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: so going good, Thank you mate. Kevin Walsh is the

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 2: peck Trump's pick for the US Federal Reserve chair. What

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: do you reckon this means for investors?

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, hockey. So mister Walsh's see has been less

1590
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 20: supportive of deep breakcaps in more worry about inflations in

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01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 20: central bank and speak he's more hawkish, more conservative, than

1592
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 20: some of the other appointees that mister Trump was considering

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01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 20: back in the GFC pack past, you know, with the

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 20: global fundancial crisis two thousand and two thousand and six

1595
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 20: to two thousand and eleven, he acted as the central

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01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 20: banks behind the scenes guy with Wall Street, so he's

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 20: got good credibility, but he's actually come out to I

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 20: didn't like what happened. I have to bail out that.

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 20: All this quantity of easing that didn't get the right

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01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 20: signals actually distilled a price and encourage his excessive risk taking.

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01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 20: So him coming in is quite an interesting choice. He

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01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 20: is definitely not going to be this guy that's going

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 20: to look to bail out businesses like back the post UFC.

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01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 2: So quite different, and so how have the markets reacted

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Speaker 2: to it?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, because he's a bit more hawkish, bit more conservative.

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01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 20: We've actually seen the US dollar rally, you know, has

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 20: been under a lot of pressure. It's been quite weak

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01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 20: over January, and we've seen a massive sell off in

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 20: the gold and silver prices because of mister wash is

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01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 20: a bit more hawkish. Back on Friday when this came out,

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01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 20: US money markets didn't make big changes, the interest rates

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01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 20: didn't move around a heck of a lot still picking

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01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 20: two fed rate caps.

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Speaker 1: In twenty six, as.

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Speaker 20: I say, we did see commodity prices come onder a

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01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 20: bit of pressure, and that's actually continued today here. That so,

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01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 20: we've seen gold and silver down another ten percent today.

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01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 20: Gold's actually down almost fourteen percent in the last few days,

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 20: down to just under four thy six hundred dollars US

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 20: an ounce, and silver has gone from one hundred and

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01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 20: sixteen dollars an ounce to seventy seven A lot of

1623
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 20: speculation coming out of the not much reaction here in

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01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 20: New Zealand, pretty quiet, but there is a little bit

1625
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 20: of we're going to be careful that mister Wash, he

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01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 20: may not be as hawkish as we all think he is.

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01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 20: There's already this change of we may be in a

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01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 20: washing machine, play on mister WASH's name for a little

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01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 20: while until we know how this policy starts roll through.

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01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 20: But nonetheless we've seen a bit of a bit of

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01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 20: a reaction, and particularly in those commodity prices.

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Speaker 2: Hey, now cat Nando's provided a training update today, had

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 2: the market react to that?

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01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, cam Mande is obviously a bit of a

1635
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 20: being under some pressure. They've been fixing the business turning

1636
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 20: around work a lot harder, better numbers, better sales numbers,

1637
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 20: a bit like Michael Hall last week better Michael Whill

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01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 20: also come out with better sales numbers, but they both

1639
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 20: had to cut profit margins to do it. So cutting

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01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 20: prices to stimulating activity, more promotional activity. So in kamp

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01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 20: Mandu's case, their gross margin foul one percent to fifty

1642
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 20: six point seven percent. They're sort of held their earnings

1643
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 20: profit guidance, which is positive. Better sales number. That's important

1644
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 20: at the moment. That is about them rebuilding confidence and

1645
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 20: investors that they can grow. I didn't stop the share

1646
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 20: price from falling, and our unfortunately the down three point

1647
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 20: six percent to twenty seven cents per year.

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Speaker 2: Bringing Hey, listen, thanks for running us throught Shane, always

1649
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Is shain solely harbor Asset Management six

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01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: twenty three.

1651
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics fall on

1652
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: the business hour where they had the Dupicila and MAS

1653
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Your futures in good hands News Talks Vvy.

1654
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: By the way, there's a bit of a New Zealand

1655
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: connection to the old Epstein files. Apparently we're mentioned like

1656
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: as in New Zealand. The words New Zealand are mentioned

1657
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: in the Epstein files about a thousand times. There's nothing

1658
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: special there, but you'll remember, if you've been following this situation,

1659
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 2: there's a New Zealand couple, Bryce and Karen Gordon, who've

1660
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: already been outed as having worked on one of his

1661
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: ranches in New Mexico. According to these documents, they didn't

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01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: just work there, they also worked at Little Saint James,

1663
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 2: which is his creep island. They basically were a couple

1664
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: who they were so particular in the way that they

1665
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: looked after him that he would kind of send them

1666
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 2: ahead to whatever destination he was coming to next, and

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 2: they would prepare it for him to his liking. And

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01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: so they apparently ended up managing this infamous island for

1669
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 2: a period, and during the period the prosecutor say that

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01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 2: he's sex trafficked women and girls. None of the documents

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01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: indicate or alleged that the couple were involved in any

1672
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: of the offending at all. But watch, there's going to

1673
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: be just like drip, drip, drip of interesting information depending

1674
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: on your definition of interesting, for the next few weeks.

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01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,879
Speaker 2: I'd imagine six twenty six.

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01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business. I ah hair.

1677
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 2: So music news today is that Lily Allen is coming

1678
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: here for a one off concert. Now, why you want

1679
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 2: to go to Lily Allen The following reasons. Number One,

1680
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: her new album is not bad. She entered the Hottest

1681
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: one hundred for the first time in fifteen years last

1682
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 2: year with the release of West End Girl. That's the

1683
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 2: album's name. Also, there's the goss. This album documents the

1684
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 2: breakdown of her marriage to Stranger Things David Harbor, and

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 2: it all started to fall apart when David met the

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01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: costume designer Natalie Probably on the set. And then Lily

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01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: gives Natalie the nickname Madeline on her album, and although

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01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: we all know who's who's, Natalie refuses to make a statement.

1689
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 15: Natalie has been reached out to by media outlets and

1690
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,520
Speaker 15: she says that she doesn't feel comfortable talking about.

1691
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 2: This song Madeline, and that it's a little bit scary.

1692
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: So you might get a little bit of goss, might

1693
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: get a bit of snark if you're there. Also, you

1694
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 2: might cop an eye full of her feet.

1695
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 7: Now.

1696
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but Lily Allen's

1697
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: feet have an account on only fans keep the porn website.

1698
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: They have an account on only fans and she makes

1699
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: more money off her feet than she makes off her music.

1700
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know do you need to be Do

1701
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: you need any more convincing that you should be at

1702
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 2: this concert?

1703
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: Right?

1704
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: We're going to deal next with christ Church City Council

1705
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: and it's selling of the assets and whatnot. Deal with

1706
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: it next. Sam McDonald is with US News Talks V.

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01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 14: I'm on my way now, I'm in London.

1708
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm on my own ConA hotel. Everything from SMEs to

1709
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: the big corporates. The Business Hour with Header Duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mass Insurance and Investments, Your futures in good

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Speaker 1: hands Used Talks, EDB.

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01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 5: Mister, Right, We're going.

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01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: To go to the UK and ten minutes time, and

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: all the talk there, of course is Andrew Andrew, Andrew

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Speaker 2: and Kier Starmer and Epstein. So we'll deal with that

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01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: in just a tick. If you don't like Ikea buying

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01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: the forests, and I've got text along those lines last week,

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01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: you probably won't love this news. The investment arm of

1719
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 2: Ike's parent company wants to more than double its ownership

1720
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 2: of New Zealand Forestry to one hundred thousand hectares, and

1721
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: the reason for that is because it's a nice round number,

1722
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: they say, twenty four away from seven. Now it looks

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01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: like christ Church is about to head into a bit

1724
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 2: of an asset selling debate. Christ Church City Council's commercial

1725
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 2: arm has floated selling some assets to pay for others,

1726
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: in particular selling the broadband business in city Care and

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01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 2: then taking over more of the airport. Now. Sam McDonald

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01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 2: is a christ Church City councilor.

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01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 10: And is with us.

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01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: Now, Hi, Sam, Hi, here the how are you?

1731
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: Well?

1732
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 8: Thanks?

1733
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: Mate? Do you like this idea?

1734
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: We'll look.

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01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 15: I cheered the Finance committee at christ Church City Council

1736
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 15: and there's obviously some pressure on you know, really what

1737
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 15: we're doing for our budgeting purposes, so we're going to

1738
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 15: have to do something. But you know, this isn't wholesale.

1739
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 15: Asset seals was effectively just a letter from the chair

1740
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 15: of our holding this company, which you would expect, signaling

1741
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 15: that actually we need to work through challenges as they

1742
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 15: come up. So pretty relaxed about it. They're obviously full

1743
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 15: public consultation, but no decisions have been made.

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01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: Okay, would you support selling enable the broadband business?

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01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 15: Look well, I've floated the idea some time ago, because

1746
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 15: if you think about our portfolio, just for people listening,

1747
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 15: there's about five billion dollars worth of vesis that sit

1748
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 15: within there. We get between sixty five and seventy five

1749
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 15: million dollars in the hand each year at council to

1750
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 15: offset raids. And if you look at them, there are

1751
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 15: three which are regulated monopoly. So you've got your port,

1752
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 15: your airport, and a Ryan and then you could say, well,

1753
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 15: actually enable sits there a really good company built from

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01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 15: scratching christ Church. But actually, if you look at the

1755
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 15: technology risk, it's probably the one that isn't as regulated,

1756
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 15: and you know, if you're looking long term, maybe that's

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01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 15: the one that isn't necessarily need to be held by

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01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 15: the people of christ Church. So you could you could

1759
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 15: restructure that in a way and I think, you know,

1760
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 15: that's something that I think would make sense.

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01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: And City Care be happy to sell it.

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01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 15: Oh, look on least worry about that. I mean, if

1763
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 15: you look at it, it's not as material in the

1764
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 15: scheme of our book. You know, really you want to

1765
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 15: protect those three core assets for christ Church. The airport,

1766
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 15: you know, you really want to grow the port, that's

1767
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 15: a lifeline to the South Island and we need to

1768
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 15: invest in that. And then you've obviously got power which

1769
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 15: is core critical and continuing to grow. So you know

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01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 15: it's probably not the one right away, but actually if

1771
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 15: you look at it, enable was the one that logically

1772
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 15: makes sense because what you could do is, you know,

1773
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 15: put it to the market. And again this is just

1774
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 15: my idea. This isn't even the holdings companies. This is

1775
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 15: just what I think and I'm a chart account by trade,

1776
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 15: so I look at it and go, how do we

1777
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 15: get the best return for the people of christ Church.

1778
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 15: You would take take the money, tay down the historic

1779
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 15: earthquake debt that sits on the balance sheet of the

1780
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 15: holdings company, use the difference to put it into a

1781
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 15: bit of a future fund but like Auckland have done,

1782
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 15: and then that will throw a dividend every year at council.

1783
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 15: I think you'd probably get another thirty million a year,

1784
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 15: which you know, in our rate camping environment is going

1785
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 15: to be necessary so we don't need to close things.

1786
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 15: So you know, there's a real I think the people

1787
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 15: of christ Hitch will come along on having a conversation

1788
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 15: about it, because it's not core critical to what the

1789
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 15: people of christ each expect us to own. And you know,

1790
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 15: I think it's worth him a conversation.

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01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 2: Look, it makes sense, but there is something I mean

1792
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 2: people get funny about today. They get really weird about

1793
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 2: asset sales. Do you think you might just lose the

1794
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: argument on account of the words asset sales?

1795
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 14: Well?

1796
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 15: I think, you know, we just need to really cognizant

1797
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 15: in a rates environment, rates keeping environment that you know,

1798
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 15: there are hard choices and there's only so much money

1799
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 15: to go around. You know, I look at it and go, Actually,

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01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 15: if you've got more money to spend to invest and

1801
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 15: grow the port, you know, potentially the airport, and continue

1802
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 15: to invest in the lines company Ryan, actually they're far

1803
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 15: better being for buck, for christ Huch and Canterbury going forward,

1804
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 15: and if you can offset people's rate increases when you know,

1805
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 15: I reckon if you went out on the streets of

1806
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 15: christ Each now and said, hey, what do you think

1807
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 15: about the public or the councilor owning a enable, they'd

1808
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 15: go what's enable? And I didn't know we owned it?

1809
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 15: Whereas if you talked about the port a Ryan or

1810
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 15: the airport, you know quite rightly because I don't want

1811
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 15: to sell them either. There are things that I think

1812
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 15: need to be held in that public ownership, So you know,

1813
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 15: I think it's worth a conversation having at the end

1814
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 15: of the day. You know, I've kind of I've been

1815
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 15: in the role six years now and you're looking at

1816
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 15: it and go, at some point we need to have

1817
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 15: these courageous conversations or else we're just going to keep

1818
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 15: taking more and more money off people.

1819
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: Well, Sam, good luck with the argument, and I don't

1820
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: think if anybody can can convince people, it may well

1821
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 2: be you. Thank you very much, Sam McDonald, christ Church

1822
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 2: City councilor twenty away from seven Heather Duplicy Ellen on

1823
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: just just quickly on the subject of counsels, because I

1824
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: give counsels a lot of grief and I think we're

1825
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: like nobody care no, nobody, very few people would listen to.

1826
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 5: That a goal.

1827
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: That's unfair on the councils. But we should also give

1828
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 2: bouquets and can I give one to Auckland mayor welling

1829
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: Away Brown because you know, say what you like about him,

1830
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: he does have some pretty efficient ways of getting things

1831
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 2: done and he wrote a column over the weekend. I

1832
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 2: had a read of it and I thought, this is

1833
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: this is this is simple and often the simplest things

1834
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 2: are the best ideas. He gives his staff rules, and

1835
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 2: this is what he says. First rule is before they

1836
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 2: try to do something, he makes them ask themselves, what

1837
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 2: is the problem that you are fixing. If you can't

1838
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 2: explain or define that, then don't do anything and stop

1839
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 2: wasting time and money until you know what problem is.

1840
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Once you know what you are fixing, the next question

1841
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 2: is can you do it better? Cheaper and faster? And honestly, surely,

1842
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: to God, most of us should be employing that in

1843
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: our lives in general, and it would be wonderful if

1844
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: more counsels and the public service would think exactly that

1845
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 2: same way. So he's got some good advice for everybody there. Now,

1846
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: you know I love a concert, right, so I'm very

1847
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: happy to tell you that it is concerts that have

1848
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: helped Eden Park lift its profit. So they reported for

1849
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 2: the year ended October thirty one last year and the

1850
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: profit's up five point six percent to more than thirty

1851
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 2: million dollars. Our Coldplay was in that period, So this

1852
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: is the period that captures the cold Play concerts. And

1853
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 2: then Luke Colmb's as well. This year. I'm sorry to

1854
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: say absolutely no surprise to anyone at all. This year

1855
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 2: is not looking that flash because we do not have

1856
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: a lot of concerts right. We don't have the Lady

1857
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 2: Gargas and the Taylor Swifts coming in. I mean, look,

1858
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: some of these people be outside the period, but it's

1859
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 2: just just generally to give you the vibe of where

1860
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 2: the concert's going Australia. We don't have the Oasis, we

1861
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 2: don't have the Harry Styles, So twenty twenty six is

1862
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: not looking good. They did have the Jehovah's Witness Congress

1863
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: in January and they also have the Edinburgh Tattoo set

1864
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: to perform at the end of February, but you know

1865
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: that probably gives you. It gives you a bit of

1866
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: an idea of the situation. However, it is good news

1867
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: because I heard on the Grape Fine that while twenty

1868
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: twenty six is not looking that flash because we're basically

1869
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: irrelevant the words that was used, next year is looking

1870
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: a lot better because the government has set aside the

1871
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 2: major events funding money right that our favorite Bogan, Louise

1872
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Upston is wanting to throw out everything to try and

1873
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 2: get things over to New Zealand and because there is

1874
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: a lag between You've got the money, right, you got

1875
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: the money, and you go to Harry Stalzigan. I've got

1876
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 2: the money, Harry goes mate. I already had this locked

1877
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 2: in ages ago. We didn't even factor you in. But

1878
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: now they know the money's out there. So for concerts

1879
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 2: that are going to be happening in twenty twenty seven,

1880
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: we may well actually be getting a few of them

1881
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 2: heading our way because of those dollars. Anyway, the lesson

1882
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 2: I'm trying to impart you is don't complain about the

1883
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: concerts at Eden Park. You need to embrace them because

1884
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 2: they are earning the place quite a few dollars, which

1885
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: we're happy about. Seventeen away from seven.

1886
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

1887
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mayor's Insurance

1888
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: and Investments, Your futures in good hands, News Talk zi'd be.

1889
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 2: It's fourteen away from seven and Mike Pierce, a UK

1890
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 2: correspondence with us.

1891
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 3: Hello, Mike, very good evening to you.

1892
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 2: Right, so the Lord Mandelson thing has really taken over

1893
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 2: with you guys.

1894
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 3: Own Yes, indeed, this story actually going to overdrive with

1895
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 3: the UK media.

1896
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 9: Now.

1897
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 3: Of course, it's all around the US Department of Justice

1898
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 3: releasing more than three million pages of the Epstein files. Now,

1899
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: in particular, it all started with the release of three

1900
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 3: photographs showing Andrew Mountain Batten Windsor, the former Prince Andrew,

1901
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 3: on his hands and knees over a woman on a floor.

1902
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 3: She's fully closed. It's not known who she is or

1903
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 3: where these pictures were taken. Now, following that the big

1904
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 3: story hitting here another image show the former UK Ambassador

1905
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 3: to America, Lord Peter Mandelsson in his underpants with a

1906
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 3: woman in a bathrobe. He's also said to have been

1907
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 3: given seventy five thousand dollars by Epstein. Of course, Mandelssohn

1908
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 3: has for forty years been a leading politician here in

1909
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 3: the UK, architect of the Tony Blair government. He has

1910
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 3: now resigned from the Labor Party he's represented for those

1911
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 3: forty years. Mandalsson says he is no relocation of any

1912
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 3: of this. Epstein, of the course, was found dead on

1913
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 3: his Manhattan please sell in August twenty nineteen, shortly after

1914
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 3: being arrested for sex trafficking charges with young Mimy a

1915
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 3: story making massive headlines here in the UK.

1916
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 2: I can tell you now tell me so. Obviously, Mandelssohn

1917
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: has been asked to give evidence in the US, as

1918
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 2: has Andrew Would it rescue his reputation to some extent

1919
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 2: if he was seen to be helping investigators over there, Well,

1920
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 2: I think, to.

1921
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 3: Be absolutely honest, Mandelsson actually.

1922
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Is.

1923
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the opposition party have criticized him.

1924
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 3: I think when he was sent to the US as

1925
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 3: an ambassador that was a bit of a surprise by

1926
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 3: secure Starmer. But as I say, I mean over the

1927
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 3: years he has really been while I've had biggest politicians.

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Speaker 3: You know, he is saying he has no recollition of

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Speaker 3: this at all. Andrews also said, you know, repeatedly he's

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Speaker 3: denied any of the suggestions that have come out of

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Speaker 3: any wrongdoing. So I think we just have to wait

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Speaker 3: and see what happens. But yeah, will they go to

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Speaker 3: the US and give evidence. We'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: I think, now what's gone on with the Ukrainian meeting?

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Speaker 2: Has it not taken place?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think hopes of peace, you know, really have had

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Speaker 3: a major setback. Now, talks between the United States Russia

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Speaker 3: and Ukraine were canceled at the last minute yesterday. He

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Speaker 3: thought the US dispute with Iran is the reason, taking

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Speaker 3: up the time with some of their diplomats.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump also claimed at the end of last week

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Speaker 3: that Russia had agreed to a one week ceasefire due

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Speaker 3: to the very cold.

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Speaker 2: I wondered how long it was going to take. The

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Speaker 2: cold weather appears to have cut us off. Listen, I said,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be stuff coming out of the Epstein ones.

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Speaker 2: Here's another one for you. The Epstein files. They have

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Speaker 2: caught a New Zealand academic professor Brian Boyd. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: He does not appear to have done anything wrong. So

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Speaker 2: I just want to say that up front. It's just

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Speaker 2: interesting the fact that he was involved in this, like

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Speaker 2: caught in the kind of the orbit of Epstein in

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Speaker 2: a way. So Professor Brian Boyd is an expert on Nubberkoff,

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Speaker 2: who was the author of a Lolita, the book for

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Speaker 2: which Epstein is nuts, right, because if you remember the

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Speaker 2: weird picture where he'd written Lolita on somebody's body, he's

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Speaker 2: totally nuts with anyway, stand by is I think we've

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Speaker 2: got Mike back and I'll finish that story. And just

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Speaker 2: to tack Mike, you're there, Yes, I am young. Sorry

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Speaker 2: you were saying something about the weather.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Well, Donald Trump had said that the Russians

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Speaker 3: would not be bombing Ukraine for the next week because

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Speaker 3: of very cold weather. It's meant to be minus thirty

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Speaker 3: this week, believe it or not. But yesterday the bombing

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Speaker 3: has continued, with fifteen miners killed and been bombs hit

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Speaker 3: a bus. Now, recent attacks have left one point two

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Speaker 3: million people without power. A thousand emergency shelters have been

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Speaker 3: set up because of this cold weather. It's now hope

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Speaker 3: peace talks may take place later in the week. But

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Speaker 3: they just seem to be on and off all the time,

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Speaker 3: don't they.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Of course, this month marks the fourth anniversary of the war,

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Speaker 3: with one point eight million people killed so far.

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Speaker 2: What is this film that King Charles is in.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, he's the star of a new film, would

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Speaker 3: you believe it or not that looks at his long

1980
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Speaker 3: campaign on the environment. The King himself gave extensive interviews

1981
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Speaker 3: and filming access over a six month period. Now, of course,

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Speaker 3: the late Queen Elizabeth never gave an interview at all,

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Speaker 3: but that's something that the King and Queen Camilla are changing.

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Speaker 3: It's a ninety minute documentary had its premiere at Windsor

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Speaker 3: Castle with a host of major celebrities including Kate Winslet

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Speaker 3: and Rod Stewart. The film, in fact is launched on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: The King is Prince Charles's long campaigned for much more

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Speaker 3: to be done about the environment. There's an unusual insight

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Speaker 3: into his frustrations over the slow progress being made. He says,

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Speaker 3: it's rapidly going backwards. I've said that for the last

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Speaker 3: forty years. Anyway, there you go. The film was in

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Speaker 3: fact made with the King's own charity, at the King's Trust,

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Speaker 3: so he's still unhappy about the environment and talking out

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Speaker 3: in this new film.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you very much, Mike. I appreciate. It's Mike

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Speaker 2: piers Ow UK correspondent. So just go back to what

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Speaker 2: I was telling you about, which is Professor Brian Boyd.

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Speaker 2: So he's an expert on the author of the book Lalita,

1999
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Speaker 2: which Epstein has nuts for. So Ipstein it turns out,

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Speaker 2: went to go see Boyd give a talk on this

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Speaker 2: author some years ago, and then he had breakfast with

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Speaker 2: them afterwards, and he offered him seventy five. He'd already

2003
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Speaker 2: written a book on Knobo coov, so ipsteins like, how much,

2004
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Speaker 2: how much would it cost? How much do you need

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Speaker 2: to write another book? Because he's some other interest that

2006
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Speaker 2: he wants to write about another he wants to write

2007
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Speaker 2: a book on one of the author's books, and his

2008
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Speaker 2: sister ipsin probably fifty thousand dollars in. Epstein goes now

2009
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Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars. So anyway, after that they start

2010
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Speaker 2: an email chain. The funding never happens. Even though Professor

2011
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Speaker 2: Brian Boyd gave Epstein his bank account numbers and even

2012
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Speaker 2: the swift code that you need for it, the money

2013
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Speaker 2: was never paid. Brian Boyd, I suppose can now look

2014
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Speaker 2: back and say he dodged a massive bullet, because of course,

2015
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Speaker 2: once you get involved financially, then well look what happened

2016
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Speaker 2: to Lord Peter Mandelsson. It's not very pretty at all.

2017
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Speaker 2: He did, actually, he said, because Steve Browney has got

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Speaker 2: in touch with him, the wonderful writer, and said to

2019
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Speaker 2: him earlier names come up, let's have a chat about it.

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Speaker 2: He said, he did wonder whether his name was going

2021
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Speaker 2: to come up at some point, but he wasn't worried

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Speaker 2: because he knew he hadn't done anything wrong. Eight away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see allan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: Heather re Eden Park. Are you saying that if we

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Speaker 2: the taxpayers pay a small fortune, then eden Park can

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Speaker 2: make a small profit. That doesn't sound like it stacks

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Speaker 2: up to me. This is absolutely a fair point. This

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Speaker 2: is the major events funding thing. Fairfair points. It's not

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Speaker 2: really the case I was trying to make. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we can have an argument about taxpayer subsidies for events

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Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, and then whether the cost benefit

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Speaker 2: analysis is accurate, and the theory is basically if you

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Speaker 2: put some money and then then you get heaps more back.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a chat about that some other time. Really,

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Speaker 2: what my argument was probably more about was if you

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Speaker 2: have what has came very close to being something of

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Speaker 2: a white elephant at eden Park, then surely what you

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Speaker 2: should do like release the thing and let it, let

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Speaker 2: it expand its wings. And you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like there's too many rules on eden Park. They can't

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Speaker 2: turn a buck because they can't do anything. But if

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Speaker 2: you let them do things. Maybe they can turn a buck. Hey,

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Speaker 2: did you know this is really weird? Katherine O'Hara, as

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Speaker 2: in the Canadian actress who died over the weekend at

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Speaker 2: seventy one, she of Ship's Creek and home alone. Did

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Speaker 2: you know she had her heart was on the wrong

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Speaker 2: side of her body. It's a very rare thing that happens,

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Speaker 2: but she had it. It's called dextrocardia, citis and versus,

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Speaker 2: which I like a self explanatory Sorry that one one

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Speaker 2: more time, dextrocarti, dextrocrdia citus and versus.

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Speaker 10: And now backwards three times caued.

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Speaker 2: Go shut up. I can't speak Latin, but that's how

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Speaker 2: it's written. But did you know? Okay, so that's weird.

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Speaker 2: But what's even weirder is she didn't know this until

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago when she went to the doctor. How

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Speaker 2: do you like, how do you not know your heart's

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Speaker 2: on the wrong side of your body until you're fifty

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Speaker 2: one years old? That's weird.

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Speaker 10: It's sorry. I was just feeling my chest to see

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Speaker 10: which side it was beating.

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Speaker 2: On and it wasn't beating because you're a vampire, that's right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, they Luther were by Kendrick Lamara and Scissa

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Speaker 10: to play us out tonight Record of the Year at

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Speaker 10: the Grammy. So I've looked up so Record of the

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Speaker 10: Year is always like the one song. So what's the

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Speaker 10: difference between that and Song of the Year. Well, apparently

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Speaker 10: Record of the Year is for the recording of the song,

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Speaker 10: so like, did the artist, producers and engineers who put

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Speaker 10: the song together at do a good job? And then

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Speaker 10: Song of the Year is just the song itself, the composition.

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Speaker 10: So it's like, did the person who wrote this song

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Speaker 10: do a good job?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 10: I just need they give two awards? Like two awards done?

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Speaker 10: Like more more people are happy, like your show fair enough,

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Speaker 10: So that's.

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Speaker 2: Like the production of the song versus the writing of

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Speaker 2: the song.

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Speaker 10: More or less. I feel like you could still change

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Speaker 10: the names to make it sound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you explained that. You probably have to

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Speaker 2: explain it next year because I'm going to forget that.

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Speaker 2: You really nuanced, isn't it. Yeah that's dumb. That's a

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Speaker 2: dumb one, isn't it. But anyway, now we understand it,

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Speaker 2: all right, see you tomorrow, Thank you all days.

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Speaker 13: Coming for so much.

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Speaker 1: If this were were mad For more from Hither Duplessy

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