1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:24,773 Speaker 1: from News Talks at By. 3 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:42,253 Speaker 2: That is how Bad Do You Want Me? By Lady Gaga. 4 00:00:42,693 --> 00:00:47,093 Speaker 2: Her new album is called Mayhem. Now Music via stel 5 00:00:47,133 --> 00:00:49,333 Speaker 2: Cliffe has been listening more than I love a bit 6 00:00:49,373 --> 00:00:51,373 Speaker 2: of Gaga, love a bit of Gaga, throwing it back 7 00:00:51,413 --> 00:00:53,053 Speaker 2: to O g Gaga, thank you. 8 00:00:53,253 --> 00:00:55,293 Speaker 3: I'm glad that you're soaking up that vibe. But like 9 00:00:55,373 --> 00:00:57,773 Speaker 3: everybody having to go back to check the credits of 10 00:00:57,773 --> 00:01:00,813 Speaker 3: who's singing that song, right, because she sounds so tato. 11 00:01:01,013 --> 00:01:04,253 Speaker 4: Yeah, she does sound very tato there. Yeah, I don't. 12 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:07,813 Speaker 3: Think i'd really credited that back early Gaga. Did sound 13 00:01:07,853 --> 00:01:11,253 Speaker 3: Taylor Swifty? Or does Taylor Swifty sound Lady Gaga? 14 00:01:11,373 --> 00:01:11,773 Speaker 5: I don't know. 15 00:01:11,853 --> 00:01:13,653 Speaker 3: But that song in particular on the album has had 16 00:01:13,653 --> 00:01:17,053 Speaker 3: everyone doing exactly the same thing, and rumor has it, 17 00:01:17,213 --> 00:01:19,573 Speaker 3: but I don't think it's true that Taylor Swift laid 18 00:01:19,573 --> 00:01:23,453 Speaker 3: down the backing vocals. Oh but you couldn't then release 19 00:01:23,493 --> 00:01:24,733 Speaker 3: a song and not have Taylor Swift. 20 00:01:24,813 --> 00:01:25,133 Speaker 5: You couldn't. 21 00:01:25,213 --> 00:01:27,773 Speaker 4: Yeah, surely that would be yeah exactly. 22 00:01:27,453 --> 00:01:28,573 Speaker 5: Yes, So I don't think that's true. 23 00:01:28,573 --> 00:01:31,893 Speaker 3: But anyway, she does sound very very tete an interesting 24 00:01:31,973 --> 00:01:34,133 Speaker 3: kind of lead into this album because this song is 25 00:01:34,213 --> 00:01:37,053 Speaker 3: kind of in the in the halfway point, and that's 26 00:01:37,053 --> 00:01:40,093 Speaker 3: where things get a little bit more lighthearted and probably 27 00:01:40,133 --> 00:01:43,293 Speaker 3: a bit more poppy and some of the funk soul 28 00:01:43,373 --> 00:01:45,413 Speaker 3: kind of stuff that she does where the start of 29 00:01:45,453 --> 00:01:48,253 Speaker 3: the album is all that Abraca Deborah. 30 00:01:49,653 --> 00:01:54,133 Speaker 5: Disease that we're we like. I just love getting drawn. 31 00:01:53,853 --> 00:01:56,173 Speaker 3: Into those Lady Gaga songs where you're like, I'm just 32 00:01:56,213 --> 00:01:59,533 Speaker 3: singing some nonsense lyrics, I'm making this stuff up, but 33 00:01:59,653 --> 00:02:01,893 Speaker 3: I feel like I want to struten the sun and 34 00:02:02,213 --> 00:02:04,933 Speaker 3: exude some sort of crazy energy. 35 00:02:05,013 --> 00:02:06,253 Speaker 5: And I love this. 36 00:02:06,413 --> 00:02:08,133 Speaker 3: I love that we've gone back to the Paors up 37 00:02:08,133 --> 00:02:12,333 Speaker 3: Little Monsters, a new era of that for Lady Gaga. 38 00:02:12,373 --> 00:02:14,813 Speaker 5: It feels confident and. 39 00:02:14,733 --> 00:02:19,213 Speaker 3: It's it's strong and crazy in all those things that 40 00:02:19,253 --> 00:02:21,413 Speaker 3: you would expect and a little bit weird and a. 41 00:02:21,373 --> 00:02:23,733 Speaker 5: Little bit you know, like off the carf where you're like, 42 00:02:23,773 --> 00:02:25,093 Speaker 5: thank goodness, yeah. 43 00:02:24,933 --> 00:02:27,253 Speaker 2: Poppy, but kind of She's she's always had a kind 44 00:02:27,253 --> 00:02:30,373 Speaker 2: of a slightly it's weird because she's very like center 45 00:02:30,413 --> 00:02:31,933 Speaker 2: of the culture, but you know, she's always had a 46 00:02:31,973 --> 00:02:34,693 Speaker 2: kind of slightly counterculturally in the same way that Madonna 47 00:02:34,853 --> 00:02:35,373 Speaker 2: was kind of. 48 00:02:35,653 --> 00:02:38,133 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm going to take all that stuff you kind 49 00:02:38,133 --> 00:02:40,693 Speaker 3: of know and you feel familiar with, and then I'm 50 00:02:40,693 --> 00:02:42,853 Speaker 3: just going to put it through a blender and come 51 00:02:42,893 --> 00:02:44,773 Speaker 3: back out the other side and really own it. And 52 00:02:44,853 --> 00:02:47,093 Speaker 3: I think that's the magic of what makes Lady Gaga 53 00:02:47,133 --> 00:02:49,893 Speaker 3: who she is. And also then you put out the 54 00:02:49,933 --> 00:02:52,693 Speaker 3: fact that she has an incredible voice, so she can 55 00:02:52,733 --> 00:02:55,253 Speaker 3: do some real cool things with her vocals, and she 56 00:02:55,493 --> 00:02:57,453 Speaker 3: loves to play with that kind of stuff. 57 00:02:57,933 --> 00:03:00,453 Speaker 5: I'm like, if if you're ever on Dancing. 58 00:03:00,173 --> 00:03:02,533 Speaker 3: With the Stars, Jack, can you please like cut some 59 00:03:02,573 --> 00:03:04,173 Speaker 3: shakes to disease or abraca. 60 00:03:04,213 --> 00:03:06,933 Speaker 4: Debra Well, I hate you on that stuff. 61 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:09,893 Speaker 5: I'm pitching your songs for you. Okay. 62 00:03:11,653 --> 00:03:14,773 Speaker 4: So it is the first part of that proposition, the dancer. 63 00:03:15,933 --> 00:03:17,813 Speaker 3: But she always makes me feel like I could be 64 00:03:17,853 --> 00:03:20,493 Speaker 3: a wicked dancer, a really great backup dancer. There's just 65 00:03:20,493 --> 00:03:23,373 Speaker 3: something about her music and this this album has really 66 00:03:23,373 --> 00:03:25,533 Speaker 3: got that, you know, like it's kind of dark as well. 67 00:03:25,533 --> 00:03:29,133 Speaker 3: There's like sort of dark lyrics and the things that 68 00:03:29,133 --> 00:03:30,133 Speaker 3: she's talking about. 69 00:03:30,733 --> 00:03:33,653 Speaker 5: Perfect Celebrity. There is such a great track. 70 00:03:33,853 --> 00:03:36,653 Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's so wrong, but it's so right, 71 00:03:36,693 --> 00:03:38,653 Speaker 3: which I think again is what Lady Gaga can. 72 00:03:38,533 --> 00:03:39,893 Speaker 5: Do really really well. 73 00:03:39,933 --> 00:03:44,173 Speaker 3: And that kind of bad or thriller of Michael Jackson, 74 00:03:44,173 --> 00:03:46,773 Speaker 3: you know, where you're like, this is sort of creepy 75 00:03:46,853 --> 00:03:49,573 Speaker 3: and cool, but there's there's kind of like constantly more 76 00:03:49,613 --> 00:03:51,493 Speaker 3: of that that's going on. There's gonna be some real 77 00:03:52,173 --> 00:03:56,373 Speaker 3: sweaty club dance forwards when everyone's like getting their grind 78 00:03:56,413 --> 00:03:58,613 Speaker 3: on to some of these tracks, which I think is 79 00:03:58,733 --> 00:04:00,773 Speaker 3: I think is great. It's it's one of those albums 80 00:04:00,773 --> 00:04:02,493 Speaker 3: you can listen to lots and lots and lots of, 81 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:04,933 Speaker 3: which is what the fame was as well. It's why 82 00:04:04,973 --> 00:04:07,493 Speaker 3: she's had so many hits of that album. There's a 83 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:09,893 Speaker 3: little bit of there's a song called Killer. I felt 84 00:04:09,893 --> 00:04:12,013 Speaker 3: that that was very her embracing her in a prince 85 00:04:12,573 --> 00:04:14,413 Speaker 3: and it's not just in the vocals, but like the 86 00:04:14,453 --> 00:04:18,013 Speaker 3: accompanying guitar riffs and flourishes and then some of those 87 00:04:18,053 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 3: funky guitar slaps that he was quite renowned for. So 88 00:04:21,813 --> 00:04:24,813 Speaker 3: whoever's doing the guitar work on some of her tracks 89 00:04:24,933 --> 00:04:27,373 Speaker 3: is is very clever, and they're just those catchy little 90 00:04:27,413 --> 00:04:30,453 Speaker 3: riffs that bring you in and very prince escus so you'll, 91 00:04:30,533 --> 00:04:31,973 Speaker 3: I mean, you'll hear it yourself when you go through 92 00:04:31,973 --> 00:04:32,573 Speaker 3: the whole album. 93 00:04:33,213 --> 00:04:34,293 Speaker 5: And then a few just goo. 94 00:04:34,293 --> 00:04:38,413 Speaker 3: Rhythms Gwen Stefani kind of you know, like my Ship, 95 00:04:38,653 --> 00:04:40,413 Speaker 3: there's Banana's the that kind of song. 96 00:04:40,413 --> 00:04:41,853 Speaker 5: This is a little bit of that sort of stuff. 97 00:04:42,533 --> 00:04:44,773 Speaker 3: Well so maybe that's just that whole fusion of what 98 00:04:44,853 --> 00:04:47,253 Speaker 3: pop and sassy Queens is all about. 99 00:04:47,733 --> 00:04:50,173 Speaker 4: Oh right here, I love it. So what do you 100 00:04:50,173 --> 00:04:52,213 Speaker 4: make of this concept of recession pop? Have you heard 101 00:04:52,253 --> 00:04:52,573 Speaker 4: about this? 102 00:04:52,933 --> 00:04:53,133 Speaker 2: Oh? 103 00:04:53,213 --> 00:04:56,173 Speaker 5: Okay, so this is like going back but bringing it forward. 104 00:04:56,413 --> 00:05:00,413 Speaker 2: Well, it's like when when you have tricky economic times. 105 00:05:00,813 --> 00:05:03,093 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so like two thousand and eight was when 106 00:05:03,373 --> 00:05:08,133 Speaker 2: the Fame was released and now Mayhem have But she's 107 00:05:08,213 --> 00:05:12,253 Speaker 2: kind of got these really poppy, vintage Gaga sounds coming 108 00:05:12,293 --> 00:05:14,133 Speaker 2: out at the same time that you have really tricky 109 00:05:14,173 --> 00:05:17,573 Speaker 2: economic time. So the theory goes that maybe like tough 110 00:05:17,613 --> 00:05:20,133 Speaker 2: times bring out the poppyist and Gaga. 111 00:05:19,773 --> 00:05:20,493 Speaker 5: And maybe they do. 112 00:05:20,693 --> 00:05:22,733 Speaker 3: She's gone back to like the grunge bar where she 113 00:05:22,773 --> 00:05:23,973 Speaker 3: originally started writings. 114 00:05:24,053 --> 00:05:24,893 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's gone. 115 00:05:24,733 --> 00:05:27,693 Speaker 3: Back to those basic routes. Even that's simple. There's nothing 116 00:05:27,813 --> 00:05:30,533 Speaker 3: like yeah, okay recession pop. All right, that's the thing. 117 00:05:30,653 --> 00:05:33,053 Speaker 4: It's very deep and it's what we do on Saturday morning. 118 00:05:33,093 --> 00:05:35,693 Speaker 4: We look at this kind of yeah exactly, So I mean, you. 119 00:05:35,613 --> 00:05:37,053 Speaker 5: Know, another coffee for that one? 120 00:05:37,133 --> 00:05:38,413 Speaker 4: Yeah? 121 00:05:38,533 --> 00:05:41,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I I really I've loved this album. I 122 00:05:41,373 --> 00:05:44,053 Speaker 3: feel really in his eyes and excited by it. Maybe 123 00:05:44,093 --> 00:05:46,053 Speaker 3: that's it. Right through a recession, you need something to 124 00:05:46,093 --> 00:05:48,373 Speaker 3: look too that makes you feel like you having a 125 00:05:48,373 --> 00:05:50,293 Speaker 3: great time. And now you can send your whole weekends 126 00:05:50,293 --> 00:05:51,973 Speaker 3: making up your own lyrics to Ebria. 127 00:05:51,733 --> 00:05:59,413 Speaker 2: De Yeah, okay, what do you give it by lady? 128 00:06:01,053 --> 00:06:03,573 Speaker 4: A couple of we'll play disease you want to close 129 00:06:03,613 --> 00:06:04,413 Speaker 4: out the show? Doesn't morning? 130 00:06:05,373 --> 00:06:05,693 Speaker 5: Very good? 131 00:06:05,693 --> 00:06:06,213 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 132 00:06:06,213 --> 00:06:09,573 Speaker 2: Just Estale Clifford is our music reviewer. More Gaga in 133 00:06:09,613 --> 00:06:11,413 Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. 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