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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from US talks ed by.

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Speaker 2: Doing up the house, storning the garden, asked Pete for ahead.

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Speaker 1: The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp Call eight hundred

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Speaker 1: US talks edb.

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Speaker 3: A house is a hole even when it's dark, even

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Speaker 3: when the grass is overgrown in the.

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Speaker 4: Yard, even when the dog is too old to bar,

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Speaker 4: And when you're sitting at the table trying not to

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Speaker 4: start house scissor home.

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Speaker 5: Even when weave a bend, even when you're there alone, old.

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Speaker 4: House a home, even when those goes, even when.

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Speaker 3: You got around from the ones you love your most,

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Speaker 3: scream broken.

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Speaker 4: Paints, appeel in front of the.

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Speaker 3: Locals, lisbro when they're going and leaving the neighbors, even

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Speaker 3: when wend, even when you're in there looney.

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Speaker 6: Wanting look on to the Risenal Builder. On Sunday, you're

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Speaker 6: with Peak wolf Camp Risen and Builder and today Sunday

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Speaker 6: Morning used talk see big. We are talking all things

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Speaker 6: building and construction, as we always do on US Morning.

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Speaker 6: So some rough weather I understand, particularly in the Auckland.

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Speaker 6: I think a little bit of rough weather down south

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Speaker 6: this week as well. Time for us to think about

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Speaker 6: how our buildings perform, what we need to do in

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Speaker 6: terms of repairs and maintenance. And just when we thought

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Speaker 6: we were getting into that summer months where we could

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Speaker 6: start thinking about sort of long periods of dry weather,

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Speaker 6: maybe to start doing some exterior paintings, start thinking about

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Speaker 6: knocking that deck up before the Christmas season approaches, or

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Speaker 6: doing some landscaping. It would seem that mother Nature had

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Speaker 6: some other ideas. But the weather is getting better, is

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Speaker 6: my understanding, and now there is an opportunity for us

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Speaker 6: to talk about all things building and construction. So it's

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 6: If you'd like to talk about building, we can talk

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Speaker 6: about that, like I say, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 6: The text machine is up and running. That's nine two

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Speaker 6: nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone. And if

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Speaker 6: you'd like to send me an email, well you're more

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Speaker 6: than well to do that as well. It's Pete at

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Speaker 6: newstalksitb dot co dot NZ. Now I'll be completely upfront

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Speaker 6: and honest with you. I'm not in the studio. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I'm not even in New Zealand. I happen to be

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Speaker 6: of all places in Paris right now. So this is

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Speaker 6: a family holiday that's been planned for some time. We

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Speaker 6: took off last weekend. That's why Rud thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: Rud for hosting the show last Sunday filled in for me.

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Speaker 6: We were transitting through the United States. We flew into London.

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Speaker 6: We've been staying with some friends and we hopped on

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Speaker 6: the Eurostar the other day and trained ourselves across to Paris.

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Speaker 6: So we've had a night in Paris. I've had a

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Speaker 6: wander around. We went to I quite like flea markets.

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Speaker 6: To be fair, I won't keep talking about the trip,

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Speaker 6: but I just let you know what we've been up to.

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Speaker 6: So we went to one of the flea markets just

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Speaker 6: a mooch around this morning, something that we enjoyed very

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Speaker 6: much when we were here Shivers. Twenty five years ago,

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Speaker 6: morning to go to these muss the flea markets basically

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Speaker 6: some little collectibles and that sort of thing. So I

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Speaker 6: did actually come away from the markets today with a

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Speaker 6: putty knife. Yes, of all of the things that you

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Speaker 6: It just had the right amount of flex and a

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Speaker 6: I'm ashop I will I'll really be enjoying the fact

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Speaker 6: that I've used something that I picked up in a

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Speaker 6: flea market a trip to Paris. So I might mention

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Speaker 6: a few things that we're up to while we're over

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Speaker 6: this way, and I tell you what. Later on today,

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Speaker 6: we're going to be talking with Daniels Staunders, Daniel's builder

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Speaker 6: in christ Church. He's also instrumental in the super home movement,

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Speaker 6: going to give us a quick breakdown of what's been

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Speaker 6: There is something I've talked about a number of times

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 6: What's the resource that you can find? And one of

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Speaker 6: in terms of information called the Super Home Movement's Building Guide,

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Speaker 6: right selection of ideas around better building performance, focused very

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Speaker 6: much on new builts. Now, some of those same people

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Speaker 6: interview that, in fact, if I'm really I recorded before

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Speaker 6: I left last week with Michael Thornton, who was a

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Speaker 6: barrister and solicitor. We've had him on the show before

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Speaker 6: litigation around defects. Now Michael and I sat down had

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Speaker 6: scheme look like for New Zealanders, what's that going to

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Speaker 6: mean and especially what's it going to mean for builders

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Speaker 6: because it was announced a little while ago. It would

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Speaker 6: seem at this stage that we know that there is

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Speaker 6: basically one insurer that's operating in the market, to the

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Speaker 6: best of my knowledge right now, who will offer a

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Speaker 6: housing warranty scheme as will be required by the new legislation.

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Speaker 6: The only other groups that offer it are the two

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Speaker 6: the Master Builders Association. So it would appear at this

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Speaker 6: stage that if you're a builder and you're licensed, and

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Speaker 6: you want to be able to offer one of these warranties,

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Speaker 6: you're either going to have to go to Stanford's and

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Speaker 6: you're going to essentially be forced to join either Master

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Speaker 6: Builders or Certified Builders. So anyway, I've had a discussion

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Speaker 6: with Mike about that. We will have that conversation for

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Speaker 6: you after eight o'clock this morning. The lines are open

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Speaker 6: and due to the wonders of technology colling to you, Ricky, well,

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Speaker 6: actually it turns out that I can't, so Isaiah, my producer,

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Speaker 6: if you could just put Ricky on air, we'll crack

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Speaker 6: into it. There you go, Ricky, good morning to you

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Speaker 6: here you are mate, all right, you're not dead in yourself?

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Speaker 8: Here you good things? He listen, not put an inquiry.

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Speaker 8: And in regards of putting windows on, Now, if you're

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Speaker 8: putting windows on, aren't you mean to follow the code?

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Speaker 8: If you're doing the work yourself for a few of

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Speaker 8: the company and to do it, isn't it the correct

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Speaker 8: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: Each of the window manufacturers will probably issue you with

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Speaker 6: a description of how to install the windows correctly. So,

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Speaker 6: for example, some types of aluminium joinery require a winds

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Speaker 6: bar on the outside, so a reinforcing bar. There's a

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Speaker 6: it and so on. So is that what you're asking about.

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Speaker 8: I'm getting windows put in or I've head windows put

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Speaker 8: in and I quier it. In regards of putting the

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Speaker 8: across the bottoms two footy mil onto, the understanding if

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Speaker 8: that should be put on as daisy to code as

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Speaker 8: a correct.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, to be fair, it's I've always thought it's

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Speaker 6: a little bit of a gray area. So let's say

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Speaker 6: you're existing. I mean, the whole point of the sill

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Speaker 6: the sill tape. But you know, for a long long time,

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Speaker 6: from you you do your framing, you wrap your building paper,

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Speaker 6: you'd folded into the opening, and then you'd install the windows.

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Speaker 6: Right the sill tape didn't exist. So if you've taken

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Speaker 6: sort of like, yes, it's a good idea to install,

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Speaker 6: but it's not going that it'll still perform the same

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Speaker 6: after is you want it to be better than what

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Speaker 8: Exactly what I'm saying is I've taken the windows out.

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Speaker 8: They're aluminium are in the last thirty five forty years. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 8: I've gone to the company to put them in and

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Speaker 8: I was screwing them regards because I don't see there's

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Speaker 8: no salt tape in there. And they said, now we're

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Speaker 8: sort of requirement. But if you owned the building, or

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Speaker 8: if I'm as a homeowner, have always joined that job

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Speaker 8: myself personally, and I got a building inspect out, he'd

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Speaker 8: probably shy the book and me say it's not You've

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Speaker 8: got to do it as to code. That's what my

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Speaker 8: my or et cetera. And yeah, so I'm sort of

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Speaker 8: come as professional as they can get awaut of it.

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Speaker 8: Because I'm just a nobody. I get the books train

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Speaker 8: at me and I'm upgrading, so to me, if you're

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Speaker 8: upgrading and of elementium and you're putting newis them as

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Speaker 8: so there's the tape in there, it's to co yeah sure.

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Speaker 6: Also, yeah, there's also a practical thing, Ricky, where again,

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Speaker 6: if you were doing the sill tape and the taping

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Speaker 6: around the openings, you would do it when you've put

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Speaker 6: your building wrap on, you've got your frames up, you

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Speaker 6: put your building tape that you're building wrap on. Then

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Speaker 6: you do the tape, then you install your cavity battens

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Speaker 6: or your cladding. Now, in your instance, I'm presuming that

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Speaker 6: you've got your timber framing, you've got some building wrap,

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Speaker 6: you've got the cladding already fixed in place, So there's

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Speaker 6: not an option for you to fasten the tape in

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Speaker 6: the way that it would be if you were complying

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Speaker 6: with the building code, because you're not taking the cladding off.

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Speaker 6: I presume.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. And also it's also it's a newer home too.

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Speaker 8: It's an older home rather should I say, you're talking

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Speaker 8: about you know, nineteen twenty sort of stuff. So you

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Speaker 8: want to down the steeing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no I do. So is it what type of cladding?

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Speaker 8: Do you have a rock cast.

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Speaker 6: As in plaster?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's applied old plaster home? Yeah yeah, timber framework right.

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Speaker 6: Actually, I'm curious, now, how are you going to flash that?

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Speaker 6: Because I would imagine that those if you if you've

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Speaker 6: taken out have you taken out old timber or old

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Speaker 6: aluminium jewinery.

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Speaker 8: The old aminum jewnery here, and how was.

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Speaker 6: That butted into the rough cast plaster? Did the flange

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with stealing, fixing with fans, or wondering

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Speaker 6: It's like having the carpet done. It's the last thing.

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Speaker 6: If you're doing a new bill, and I guess what

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure that that's true. I would have thought that,

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Speaker 6: You didn't ask for them, someone put them there, somebody

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Speaker 6: didn't take them out. I would probably I would definitely

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Speaker 6: someone else's text, well, a suggestion, you'll need to ground

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Speaker 6: It's one of those things, you know, if you're going

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: We could deal with it now. We could grind it. Now,

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Speaker 6: we could try and patch it. We could cut that

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Speaker 2: Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, the resident builder

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Speaker 6: Righty oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 6: So somewhere someone has stepped onto the concrete floor in

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Speaker 6: And at this point, however, many days weeks, months after

430
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Speaker 6: the footprint was first introduced to the concrete, the builder

431
00:24:46,215 --> 00:24:49,975
Speaker 6: is saying to the new homeowner, nothing that we can

432
00:24:50,015 --> 00:24:54,735
Speaker 6: do about it? Well, there was, but you didn't put

433
00:24:54,735 --> 00:24:58,335
Speaker 6: your hand up, didn't sort of admit the problem. You

434
00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:01,375
Speaker 6: must have known about it. You can't not see these things, surely,

435
00:25:01,775 --> 00:25:03,815
Speaker 6: So what do you do about it? Now? Well, Wayne,

436
00:25:03,935 --> 00:25:04,975
Speaker 6: what do you think.

437
00:25:06,455 --> 00:25:10,335
Speaker 9: Hyped? No, actually a bit of miscommunication.

438
00:25:10,415 --> 00:25:10,575
Speaker 8: Now.

439
00:25:10,655 --> 00:25:14,295
Speaker 9: I just woke up and listening to you and I

440
00:25:14,375 --> 00:25:19,495
Speaker 9: heard this particular court text. It prompted me because I've

441
00:25:19,495 --> 00:25:24,175
Speaker 9: got an issue with concrete. A concrete slab in our

442
00:25:24,215 --> 00:25:30,095
Speaker 9: house which is has got the findings that it's been

443
00:25:30,175 --> 00:25:34,175
Speaker 9: floated so fine that the sand is coming away from

444
00:25:34,215 --> 00:25:36,975
Speaker 9: the from the actual concrete itself now and it's been

445
00:25:37,015 --> 00:25:40,855
Speaker 9: doing this for I don't know a little bit for

446
00:25:40,935 --> 00:25:45,575
Speaker 9: about five years. It's it's nine years old. And I

447
00:25:45,655 --> 00:25:52,295
Speaker 9: recently went back to the the people that had the

448
00:25:52,415 --> 00:25:55,455
Speaker 9: we built the house or they built it a home

449
00:25:55,495 --> 00:25:59,775
Speaker 9: and land package, and said to them, is there anything

450
00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:02,895
Speaker 9: we can do under are we Is it warranted under

451
00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:06,135
Speaker 9: the ten year help warrantine whatever, and they subcontracted that

452
00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:10,735
Speaker 9: out to a builder, and the builders a master builder.

453
00:26:10,775 --> 00:26:16,015
Speaker 9: As I understand it, I've researched that it's they then

454
00:26:16,055 --> 00:26:19,735
Speaker 9: would have somebody subcontracted that back out to a concrete supply.

455
00:26:19,815 --> 00:26:23,375
Speaker 9: And I've been under several concrete supplies about this particular issue,

456
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,575
Speaker 9: because it's now got to the point we've got decks

457
00:26:25,775 --> 00:26:30,215
Speaker 9: nice or decks everywhere, and we're dragging standing off the

458
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:32,455
Speaker 9: top of this concrete lab all the time, and the

459
00:26:32,615 --> 00:26:36,735
Speaker 9: thing and then what can a would I be covered

460
00:26:36,775 --> 00:26:39,855
Speaker 9: under a builder's warranty tenured be? What can I then

461
00:26:39,935 --> 00:26:40,455
Speaker 9: do about it?

462
00:26:40,495 --> 00:26:40,815
Speaker 4: And so on?

463
00:26:40,895 --> 00:26:44,935
Speaker 9: And I've had a particular company to have given us

464
00:26:45,215 --> 00:26:48,335
Speaker 9: several options or they haven't actually sent the quote to

465
00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:52,295
Speaker 9: me yet. I've grinding off, acid washing it and so on.

466
00:26:52,455 --> 00:26:57,255
Speaker 9: So my question to you is do I have a

467
00:26:57,335 --> 00:27:01,615
Speaker 9: case or given the information I've given you, do I

468
00:27:01,655 --> 00:27:04,615
Speaker 9: have a case? Then it's under warranty and it shouldn't

469
00:27:04,615 --> 00:27:05,095
Speaker 9: be doing this.

470
00:27:07,855 --> 00:27:11,255
Speaker 6: Just to be really clear, this is out exterior concrete paths.

471
00:27:12,375 --> 00:27:16,615
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's a slab patio outside our deck. It's

472
00:27:16,655 --> 00:27:19,735
Speaker 9: eight meters meters yep.

473
00:27:22,095 --> 00:27:25,095
Speaker 6: And it was it was laid and it was floating.

474
00:27:25,975 --> 00:27:28,455
Speaker 6: It wasn't given a broom finish, which is typically how

475
00:27:28,495 --> 00:27:33,735
Speaker 6: you might finish exterior concrete so that it doesn't become slippery, and.

476
00:27:35,975 --> 00:27:36,215
Speaker 4: It was.

477
00:27:37,455 --> 00:27:39,775
Speaker 6: It was. It was floated up finished with a steel

478
00:27:41,855 --> 00:27:45,415
Speaker 6: over trialed so that you've actually got all of its

479
00:27:45,815 --> 00:27:48,575
Speaker 6: sand at the top now rather than or it's starting

480
00:27:48,615 --> 00:27:49,855
Speaker 6: to break down effectively.

481
00:27:51,095 --> 00:27:54,415
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was finished lovely like, it was nice look

482
00:27:54,495 --> 00:27:58,175
Speaker 9: and it was even and you know, very nice. Yeah,

483
00:27:58,175 --> 00:28:02,495
Speaker 9: but it's just it's all the standards coming on. There

484
00:28:02,575 --> 00:28:08,415
Speaker 9: was one area there we put up a little and

485
00:28:08,815 --> 00:28:11,535
Speaker 9: where water is flown a bit from that it is

486
00:28:11,535 --> 00:28:15,535
Speaker 9: is worse and you can see the more aggregate underneath

487
00:28:15,535 --> 00:28:19,615
Speaker 9: a bit, but it's all over the whole slab and

488
00:28:19,655 --> 00:28:25,455
Speaker 9: it's it's just I don't know. A concrete supplier gave

489
00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:28,775
Speaker 9: me all sorts of technical information and regarding how can this,

490
00:28:29,095 --> 00:28:31,495
Speaker 9: what can cause that, and the text and time, but

491
00:28:31,895 --> 00:28:35,775
Speaker 9: it's too old and you can't go back to when

492
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:38,055
Speaker 9: it was laid. What was the weather on day, like

493
00:28:38,095 --> 00:28:42,055
Speaker 9: on the where the water box was the play and

494
00:28:42,255 --> 00:28:44,335
Speaker 9: so on. You know, we don't know that. All I

495
00:28:44,455 --> 00:28:49,055
Speaker 9: know is what i've got now, And it's a question

496
00:28:49,175 --> 00:28:51,335
Speaker 9: purely okay, remedies for.

497
00:28:52,775 --> 00:28:55,855
Speaker 6: I just wonder whether you know to try and go

498
00:28:56,015 --> 00:28:59,415
Speaker 6: through the remedy process right to find the contract a

499
00:28:59,535 --> 00:29:03,415
Speaker 6: tribute blamee asked them to fix it. I suspect it's

500
00:29:03,495 --> 00:29:06,455
Speaker 6: a little bit too late and just too difficult to

501
00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:08,895
Speaker 6: do because everyone will point the finger at somebody out.

502
00:29:08,975 --> 00:29:11,375
Speaker 6: So yeah, you just get to the point where you

503
00:29:11,455 --> 00:29:14,335
Speaker 6: just go, okay, So what's my solution. It's eight by four?

504
00:29:14,895 --> 00:29:18,135
Speaker 6: Do I get someone in to grind the surface, apply

505
00:29:18,215 --> 00:29:21,215
Speaker 6: a really good quality sealer to it that will bind

506
00:29:21,295 --> 00:29:25,015
Speaker 6: all of that material together, give you what should be

507
00:29:25,575 --> 00:29:28,575
Speaker 6: still quite an attractive finish. In fact, the ground look

508
00:29:28,615 --> 00:29:33,815
Speaker 6: I think, actually looks really good. And then at least

509
00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:39,495
Speaker 6: you've got a fix. You know, no one's going to

510
00:29:39,495 --> 00:29:43,495
Speaker 6: pay for that. That's on you, I suspect, but at

511
00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:44,775
Speaker 6: least it will give you a fix.

512
00:29:45,815 --> 00:29:47,815
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, no, there is a facts for it, for sure.

513
00:29:47,975 --> 00:29:50,455
Speaker 9: And I understand that it was just a question of okay,

514
00:29:50,615 --> 00:29:55,255
Speaker 9: there's still any liability under the TENU warranty, and I

515
00:29:55,335 --> 00:29:58,535
Speaker 9: suspect myself that there probably wasn't. But I gone through

516
00:29:58,535 --> 00:30:00,935
Speaker 9: the exercise and then I woke up and heard you

517
00:30:01,015 --> 00:30:02,255
Speaker 9: talk about I'll create like this.

518
00:30:02,735 --> 00:30:10,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, and also I think sometimes things like you know,

519
00:30:10,375 --> 00:30:14,055
Speaker 6: like the tenure warranties really are for kind of critical

520
00:30:14,055 --> 00:30:17,815
Speaker 6: building elements and not everything will be warranted for ten years.

521
00:30:18,975 --> 00:30:22,695
Speaker 6: And also, you know, you've got to remember that even

522
00:30:22,735 --> 00:30:26,855
Speaker 6: though this current legislation that's being proposed around a compulsory

523
00:30:26,975 --> 00:30:30,615
Speaker 6: home warranty scheme for all new builds and for all

524
00:30:30,615 --> 00:30:34,855
Speaker 6: renovations over one hundred thousand dollars, is there to capture

525
00:30:34,935 --> 00:30:39,175
Speaker 6: things like you know, cladding leaking or failing, or a shower,

526
00:30:39,255 --> 00:30:41,975
Speaker 6: let's say, a tile shower that's waterproof, right, that that

527
00:30:42,055 --> 00:30:47,535
Speaker 6: fails those sorts of things, But it doesn't also exclude

528
00:30:47,655 --> 00:30:50,655
Speaker 6: responsibility for the fact that, for example, a structure of

529
00:30:50,695 --> 00:30:53,655
Speaker 6: the building still needs to stay up for fifty years.

530
00:30:54,415 --> 00:30:56,415
Speaker 6: You don't have to warranty it for fifty years, but

531
00:30:56,455 --> 00:30:59,575
Speaker 6: it still has for fifty years. Some other things will

532
00:30:59,615 --> 00:31:02,855
Speaker 6: actually they only have a defect period of a year

533
00:31:03,335 --> 00:31:05,855
Speaker 6: or you know, two years or three years, and there

534
00:31:05,935 --> 00:31:08,455
Speaker 6: might be a failure after that time. Well there's no

535
00:31:08,535 --> 00:31:12,895
Speaker 6: warranty claims after that time. And again, most of our focus,

536
00:31:13,135 --> 00:31:16,375
Speaker 6: rightly so, should be on what's really critical to the building,

537
00:31:16,575 --> 00:31:19,495
Speaker 6: to its structural performance. To its performance in terms of

538
00:31:19,535 --> 00:31:24,375
Speaker 6: weather tightness and durability and other things like a claim

539
00:31:24,415 --> 00:31:27,655
Speaker 6: on a driveway or a patio. I'm not sure. I

540
00:31:27,695 --> 00:31:29,455
Speaker 6: just think you could spend an awful lot of time

541
00:31:29,495 --> 00:31:32,215
Speaker 6: and energy trying to find out a solution, a legal one,

542
00:31:32,695 --> 00:31:35,095
Speaker 6: get nowhere, and in the meantime, what you could have

543
00:31:35,175 --> 00:31:38,775
Speaker 6: done is, you know, cleaned it up. Muzz is just

544
00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:40,575
Speaker 6: text three says are you won't be able to grind

545
00:31:40,655 --> 00:31:43,535
Speaker 6: all of that exterior will be too slippery. I hear

546
00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,655
Speaker 6: what you're saying that you can apply non slip sealers

547
00:31:46,655 --> 00:31:48,655
Speaker 6: as well, So you'd have to look at that because

548
00:31:48,695 --> 00:31:51,135
Speaker 6: obviously if you going to grind it, it is going

549
00:31:51,175 --> 00:31:53,575
Speaker 6: to be smooth. So then you'd want to apply a

550
00:31:53,575 --> 00:31:56,695
Speaker 6: sealer that has a little bit of a slip resistance

551
00:31:56,735 --> 00:32:04,575
Speaker 6: coefficient to it. Going. Yeah, you're right, the overtrawling it

552
00:32:04,655 --> 00:32:05,215
Speaker 6: is not good.

553
00:32:05,815 --> 00:32:08,215
Speaker 9: Yeah, I had I had someone come around and have

554
00:32:08,295 --> 00:32:10,535
Speaker 9: a look, and yeah, there's several ways they can do it,

555
00:32:10,535 --> 00:32:13,735
Speaker 9: but that Yeah, probably the most afflicable way is to

556
00:32:15,735 --> 00:32:19,975
Speaker 9: blinded off and then apply stealing with grit and to

557
00:32:20,655 --> 00:32:21,415
Speaker 9: avoid living.

558
00:32:22,175 --> 00:32:25,415
Speaker 6: Yeah. The other thing, actually, I tell you what, just

559
00:32:25,495 --> 00:32:27,575
Speaker 6: one thing before we go the other thing that I did.

560
00:32:27,895 --> 00:32:30,295
Speaker 6: I did it earlier this year at home. I had

561
00:32:30,495 --> 00:32:34,815
Speaker 6: a concrete table that I made about all about eighteen

562
00:32:34,895 --> 00:32:37,935
Speaker 6: years ago, right. I had some pump mix, so some

563
00:32:37,975 --> 00:32:41,255
Speaker 6: thirty MPa ten mil pump mix, and I boxed up

564
00:32:42,375 --> 00:32:45,695
Speaker 6: basically an outdoor table, poured it, dragged it around to

565
00:32:45,735 --> 00:32:47,895
Speaker 6: my house. That sat outside at my place for the

566
00:32:47,975 --> 00:32:51,735
Speaker 6: last eighteen years or thereabouts, and it was starting to

567
00:32:51,775 --> 00:32:53,655
Speaker 6: get a bit pitted, and you know, if I was

568
00:32:53,695 --> 00:32:55,615
Speaker 6: having dinner at the table, there'd be a little bit

569
00:32:55,615 --> 00:32:57,655
Speaker 6: of sand in there and that sort of thing. So

570
00:32:57,935 --> 00:33:03,295
Speaker 6: we used It's a new product from Razine Construction micro Cement, right,

571
00:33:03,375 --> 00:33:08,015
Speaker 6: So Microstone micro cement it is, and it's a really

572
00:33:08,055 --> 00:33:11,855
Speaker 6: really durable coating with a clear sealer over the top.

573
00:33:12,415 --> 00:33:14,615
Speaker 6: So have a look at that. Actually, go to the

574
00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:17,375
Speaker 6: Razine Construction site and look at some of the micro

575
00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:22,135
Speaker 6: cement products. Amazing, absolutely mass and then that might give

576
00:33:22,135 --> 00:33:23,655
Speaker 6: you another option because you can add a bit of

577
00:33:23,695 --> 00:33:26,615
Speaker 6: color to it and then a sealer to it and

578
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:29,575
Speaker 6: leave a little bit of texture in there that will

579
00:33:29,575 --> 00:33:32,015
Speaker 6: give you that slip resistance. So that's another option for

580
00:33:32,055 --> 00:33:32,495
Speaker 6: you as well.

581
00:33:32,495 --> 00:33:35,015
Speaker 9: Wait, oh okay, mate, thank you very much.

582
00:33:35,455 --> 00:33:37,575
Speaker 6: Make lovely to chat with you, have a great day.

583
00:33:37,775 --> 00:33:39,975
Speaker 6: All the very best here to take care your News

584
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Speaker 6: Talks FB was six forty five, pretty much six forty six.

585
00:33:43,335 --> 00:33:47,815
Speaker 6: Actually here in News TALKSB, we're talking concrete, we're talking windows.

586
00:33:48,095 --> 00:33:50,855
Speaker 6: We can talk anything related to building. Oh eight hundred

587
00:33:50,975 --> 00:33:52,775
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty the number to call.

588
00:33:53,335 --> 00:33:57,215
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

589
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Speaker 1: Filder with Peter WOLFCAF call oh eight hundred eighty eight.

590
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Speaker 6: US TALKSB, you and News Talks SB. We're talking all

591
00:34:05,215 --> 00:34:09,495
Speaker 6: things building construction and as guse, what happens when those stakes.

592
00:34:09,855 --> 00:34:12,415
Speaker 6: There's a very technical phrase that we use on building sites,

593
00:34:12,455 --> 00:34:15,055
Speaker 6: but I just can't bring myself to say it on here.

594
00:34:15,135 --> 00:34:18,415
Speaker 6: But every now and then something just gets stuffed up

595
00:34:18,455 --> 00:34:21,055
Speaker 6: and it's not that easy to fix. Stephen, what do

596
00:34:21,095 --> 00:34:21,455
Speaker 6: you think?

597
00:34:22,775 --> 00:34:25,575
Speaker 10: And one a year I had some expose they would

598
00:34:25,575 --> 00:34:28,095
Speaker 10: get done. The house built in Australia and we built

599
00:34:28,135 --> 00:34:32,095
Speaker 10: the top garage and they screened off and polished and

600
00:34:32,095 --> 00:34:36,095
Speaker 10: they come up beautiful. So we had a basement as well,

601
00:34:36,255 --> 00:34:39,175
Speaker 10: and it had a seventy five by seventy five draining

602
00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:39,415
Speaker 10: on the.

603
00:34:39,415 --> 00:34:40,015
Speaker 7: Outside of it.

604
00:34:40,055 --> 00:34:42,975
Speaker 10: So they put the original floor down and then pulled

605
00:34:43,215 --> 00:34:45,815
Speaker 10: the next seventy five to one as a finishing concrete,

606
00:34:45,855 --> 00:34:48,495
Speaker 10: and we were going to polish out the head oxide

607
00:34:48,535 --> 00:34:51,935
Speaker 10: put in it and anyway, it was all laid down,

608
00:34:51,975 --> 00:34:54,415
Speaker 10: and the guy screwed it really well and looked really nice,

609
00:34:54,455 --> 00:34:56,495
Speaker 10: and then got a week later the polish would come

610
00:34:56,495 --> 00:35:00,615
Speaker 10: along and started polishing it and everywhere, because it was

611
00:35:00,655 --> 00:35:03,215
Speaker 10: fall and a screened meters. The guy had screened and

612
00:35:03,215 --> 00:35:05,615
Speaker 10: then he'd stop and he'd stand up, and then he'd

613
00:35:05,615 --> 00:35:07,775
Speaker 10: screwed a bit more and stop and he'd stand up,

614
00:35:07,775 --> 00:35:10,255
Speaker 10: and every time he stood up, he's putting meat on

615
00:35:10,295 --> 00:35:13,015
Speaker 10: the screed, which was pushing all the egg get down.

616
00:35:13,615 --> 00:35:15,575
Speaker 10: And then the sand had come to the top of it.

617
00:35:16,095 --> 00:35:18,375
Speaker 10: So then the polisher come along and polished it and

618
00:35:18,415 --> 00:35:20,815
Speaker 10: did a beautiful job, but it looked like a zebra

619
00:35:21,535 --> 00:35:25,575
Speaker 10: that every about every six meters, every well not even

620
00:35:25,575 --> 00:35:28,655
Speaker 10: six meters, for every five four or five meters, here's

621
00:35:28,695 --> 00:35:32,335
Speaker 10: these big stripes that were like four meters long by

622
00:35:32,575 --> 00:35:37,495
Speaker 10: probably six hundred, and so they grounded again. They took

623
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,735
Speaker 10: another five meals off and then there was nothing they

624
00:35:39,735 --> 00:35:42,295
Speaker 10: could do about it, not a thing. So we builder

625
00:35:44,015 --> 00:35:47,135
Speaker 10: had a major ship for it with the with the polisher,

626
00:35:48,575 --> 00:35:49,695
Speaker 10: wasn't It wasn't.

627
00:35:49,415 --> 00:35:50,335
Speaker 7: The polisher's fault.

628
00:35:50,375 --> 00:35:52,135
Speaker 11: It was the guy that laid the concrete.

629
00:35:52,575 --> 00:35:55,375
Speaker 7: Yes, he went he went broke.

630
00:35:55,215 --> 00:35:58,935
Speaker 10: And disappeared, and so the builder. We ended up tiling

631
00:35:58,935 --> 00:36:02,295
Speaker 10: the four hundred square meters because it was so atrocious.

632
00:36:03,375 --> 00:36:05,575
Speaker 11: What point is is that if you're going to do.

633
00:36:07,095 --> 00:36:10,455
Speaker 10: Exposed avert or polished concrete, and it really does start

634
00:36:10,575 --> 00:36:17,095
Speaker 10: at the lane before you polishing it, and it was

635
00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:21,575
Speaker 10: just it was absolutely unbelievable, So that footprint there will

636
00:36:21,615 --> 00:36:22,935
Speaker 10: be nothing you can do about it.

637
00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:25,855
Speaker 6: That's the feeling that I get to, and it's it's

638
00:36:25,895 --> 00:36:27,695
Speaker 6: awful when you get to that stage where you just

639
00:36:27,775 --> 00:36:30,375
Speaker 6: have to say to someone there's just really you know,

640
00:36:30,455 --> 00:36:32,695
Speaker 6: apart from cutting the entire floor out and doing it

641
00:36:32,735 --> 00:36:35,135
Speaker 6: all again, there's probably not a lot you can do.

642
00:36:35,255 --> 00:36:39,375
Speaker 10: This is goat briskas and by a goat a biscas

643
00:36:39,455 --> 00:36:40,695
Speaker 10: and by a matt and put over it.

644
00:36:42,015 --> 00:36:44,895
Speaker 6: Actually, I tell you what the person who texts us

645
00:36:44,935 --> 00:36:47,535
Speaker 6: through said, Look, it would have been fine to put

646
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Speaker 6: a rug there, but it's right by the front entrance way. Parently,

647
00:36:51,655 --> 00:36:54,135
Speaker 6: it's actually right in front of the wine fridge. So

648
00:36:55,095 --> 00:36:55,495
Speaker 6: that's not.

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Speaker 11: My point is that you know it really, it really

650
00:36:58,775 --> 00:36:59,975
Speaker 11: does start as you lay.

651
00:36:59,855 --> 00:37:02,255
Speaker 10: The concrete, and I'll never come again in my born

652
00:37:02,815 --> 00:37:04,935
Speaker 10: never in my born life would anything to do it

653
00:37:04,935 --> 00:37:07,135
Speaker 10: exposed to ever again like that.

654
00:37:07,255 --> 00:37:10,455
Speaker 11: For that simple reason. You get the wrong guy. And

655
00:37:10,535 --> 00:37:11,135
Speaker 11: you know it was.

656
00:37:11,055 --> 00:37:12,215
Speaker 7: A big port. It was falling.

657
00:37:12,215 --> 00:37:17,695
Speaker 10: This grimed me this, but he just every time he

658
00:37:17,735 --> 00:37:21,175
Speaker 10: stood up, he'd it just pushed all the aggregate.

659
00:37:20,935 --> 00:37:22,055
Speaker 11: To the bottom and brought the sand.

660
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Speaker 10: And what what made it worse is it was brown

661
00:37:24,495 --> 00:37:26,895
Speaker 10: off side, so we'd put a half mixer brown in it.

662
00:37:28,895 --> 00:37:31,095
Speaker 11: Mm hmm. So he ended up tiring.

663
00:37:32,975 --> 00:37:35,855
Speaker 6: All right, mate, I appreciate the story. That's awesome. You

664
00:37:35,935 --> 00:37:38,775
Speaker 6: have a great day in America. Take care, thanks buddy,

665
00:37:38,855 --> 00:37:41,215
Speaker 6: take care by. I think your news talks. He'd be

666
00:37:41,455 --> 00:37:43,495
Speaker 6: David quick one before the break. How are you, sir?

667
00:37:44,935 --> 00:37:47,695
Speaker 12: Oh good, good, thank you? And God got an apartment

668
00:37:47,735 --> 00:37:51,095
Speaker 12: with it's on the ground flour near on a beach area,

669
00:37:51,935 --> 00:37:54,695
Speaker 12: and we've got two layers of piles that have been

670
00:37:54,695 --> 00:37:57,535
Speaker 12: put on there in the past. Now we're going to

671
00:37:57,815 --> 00:38:02,175
Speaker 12: pull those up because we wanted to renovate it. And

672
00:38:03,255 --> 00:38:05,415
Speaker 12: when we put the new tie down, do we need

673
00:38:05,455 --> 00:38:09,695
Speaker 12: to re level and reseal the original concrete base before

674
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Speaker 12: we relay the new tile on top.

675
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Speaker 6: Also it's a concrete slab, it's head tiles on it.

676
00:38:19,055 --> 00:38:24,135
Speaker 6: You've removed the tiles and you're going to retie.

677
00:38:25,135 --> 00:38:26,175
Speaker 12: That's the plan here.

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00:38:27,015 --> 00:38:32,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, what's been on that concrete surface for all

679
00:38:32,215 --> 00:38:32,935
Speaker 6: of this time?

680
00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:39,615
Speaker 12: Uh, two layers of porcelain tiles, but we don't but

681
00:38:39,695 --> 00:38:43,215
Speaker 12: they're all outdated now and so we have to remove

682
00:38:43,615 --> 00:38:45,735
Speaker 12: remove the idea of the builder wants to do is

683
00:38:45,935 --> 00:38:48,975
Speaker 12: it's over in Australia, this apartment, and what we want

684
00:38:49,015 --> 00:38:50,815
Speaker 12: to do is he wants to remove the two layers

685
00:38:50,855 --> 00:38:54,735
Speaker 12: of tiles. But I just want to make sure that

686
00:38:55,095 --> 00:38:58,095
Speaker 12: we do need to seal it and so no water

687
00:38:58,215 --> 00:39:02,455
Speaker 12: wish it comes up being nail beach on ground floor

688
00:39:03,855 --> 00:39:08,055
Speaker 12: in the future. And what's of waterproofing or selant do

689
00:39:08,135 --> 00:39:11,375
Speaker 12: we need to use before we put the new tile

690
00:39:11,415 --> 00:39:15,175
Speaker 12: back one.

691
00:39:15,615 --> 00:39:19,375
Speaker 6: I think it would be really sensible to do exactly that.

692
00:39:19,415 --> 00:39:23,215
Speaker 6: So when the tiles are removed, you'll have the old adhesive,

693
00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:25,775
Speaker 6: so someone will need to come and do some surface prep,

694
00:39:26,975 --> 00:39:29,695
Speaker 6: which is just an angle grinder with a diamond blade

695
00:39:29,695 --> 00:39:32,215
Speaker 6: in it, an extraction you just go over, remove all

696
00:39:32,215 --> 00:39:37,215
Speaker 6: of that old adhesive, then thoroughly clean that. There's a

697
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:41,935
Speaker 6: special type of primer, and then effectively like a waterproof

698
00:39:42,655 --> 00:39:45,055
Speaker 6: layer that you can apply. It's got to bind with

699
00:39:45,095 --> 00:39:50,095
Speaker 6: the primer onto the concrete. And then it's really important

700
00:39:50,095 --> 00:39:53,295
Speaker 6: actually that the tiler who is doing the work probably

701
00:39:53,295 --> 00:39:56,975
Speaker 6: does the waterproofing, because what you want is the sealer,

702
00:39:57,575 --> 00:40:01,215
Speaker 6: the waterproofing, and the adhesive that you're going to use

703
00:40:01,295 --> 00:40:06,055
Speaker 6: for the tiles all to be compatible to ensure that

704
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Speaker 6: then sticks to the next one basically, And I saw

705
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Speaker 6: a guy do it just recently, where again it was

706
00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:15,815
Speaker 6: a concrete floor very similar to what you've just described.

707
00:40:16,255 --> 00:40:20,535
Speaker 6: Ground it back, applied the primer, applied the waterproofing compound

708
00:40:20,575 --> 00:40:26,215
Speaker 6: to it, then use the appropriate adhesive to then Betters

709
00:40:26,295 --> 00:40:30,775
Speaker 6: tiles down. So yes, that's the process, but really important

710
00:40:30,815 --> 00:40:33,255
Speaker 6: that all of those items relate to each other.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, gotcha, that's all right. So I'm on the watch, Yeah,

712
00:40:37,615 --> 00:40:38,455
Speaker 12: way the right way.

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Speaker 6: No, you're definitely on the right Yeah, okay, absolutely, good

714
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Speaker 6: luck with the project. All the best, take care, David,

715
00:40:46,895 --> 00:40:49,055
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. We'll come back. We'll take more

716
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Speaker 6: of your calls after the break. We're coming up to

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Speaker 6: News top of the hour at seven o'clock in New Zealand,

718
00:40:55,695 --> 00:40:57,855
Speaker 6: so if you'd like to call, we'll have a bit

719
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Speaker 6: of a chat in the next hour as well. We

720
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Speaker 6: are going to catch up with Dan Saunders, who's a builder,

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Speaker 6: great builder in christ Church, part of the super home movement.

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Speaker 6: If you're in christ Church, there's been some tours if

723
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Speaker 6: you've been to those in the last couple of days

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Speaker 6: to see some examples of super homes and why they

725
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Speaker 6: are as good as everyone's talking about. We'll be catching

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Speaker 6: up with Dan about that. And also there is now

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Speaker 6: a new guide for people who are interested in doing

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Speaker 6: renovations but to a super home standard. So we'll talk

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00:41:27,055 --> 00:41:30,215
Speaker 6: about that in the next hour. But call us now before.

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Speaker 1: The measure twice God once, but maybe call Pete first

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Speaker 1: for your WORFGAF.

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Speaker 2: The Resident Builder News Talk sa'd.

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Speaker 6: Be Today we're taking a closer look at a product

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Speaker 6: that's quietly transforming framing right across New Zealand. It's Jayframe.

735
00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:49,135
Speaker 6: It's an engineered timber product. It's strong, it's straight, it's durable,

736
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Speaker 6: it's sustainably made with timber right here from New Zealand Forest.

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Speaker 6: So joining me this morning is Miles Wichita, who's director

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Speaker 6: at Pouterkawa Frame and Trust, based just outside of Thames,

739
00:42:00,055 --> 00:42:02,175
Speaker 6: who's been working with jaframe for a while and has

740
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Speaker 6: some really good insights into how it's performing in the

741
00:42:05,655 --> 00:42:08,975
Speaker 6: real world. So very good morning to you, Miles. Now,

742
00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:12,095
Speaker 6: i've heard a few builders who are giving jframe ago

743
00:42:12,215 --> 00:42:13,895
Speaker 6: for the first time. I've been using it for like

744
00:42:13,935 --> 00:42:17,655
Speaker 6: ten years. What's the general vibe any surprises that you've

745
00:42:17,695 --> 00:42:18,415
Speaker 6: come upon.

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Speaker 13: We've been We've been using it for about the same

747
00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:30,695
Speaker 13: topics ten years. Very consistent growth over those over those years. Yes, most,

748
00:42:30,815 --> 00:42:31,695
Speaker 13: if not all.

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00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:33,375
Speaker 7: Of the boards that we that we.

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Speaker 13: Engage with, once I've used jaframe don't typically go back

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00:42:38,975 --> 00:42:40,975
Speaker 13: to traditional timber.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Hey, now, obviously you're involved in manufacturing, that's what Frame

754
00:42:45,335 --> 00:42:48,975
Speaker 6: and Trust is all about, and so you're doing far

755
00:42:49,095 --> 00:42:52,135
Speaker 6: more volume than most of us would. So what difference

756
00:42:52,175 --> 00:42:55,015
Speaker 6: does the jframe make in terms of strength and the

757
00:42:55,055 --> 00:42:57,775
Speaker 6: consistency of the frames that you're producing.

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Speaker 13: It's a combination of things. It's a nice product to use,

759
00:43:05,735 --> 00:43:08,495
Speaker 13: it's easy to hand, or it's lightweight but very strong.

760
00:43:09,255 --> 00:43:13,095
Speaker 13: But the wrong benefits, we believe is it's a true

761
00:43:13,455 --> 00:43:16,415
Speaker 13: it's a very straight, it's a true product. Gauging is

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00:43:16,895 --> 00:43:21,775
Speaker 13: incredibly consistent. So the builder that that, like I said,

763
00:43:21,815 --> 00:43:26,895
Speaker 13: that use it, don't typically go back to your traditional pine.

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00:43:27,135 --> 00:43:27,415
Speaker 7: Sure.

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Speaker 13: As for manufacturing, it's it's it's better for productivity for us,

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00:43:34,975 --> 00:43:39,215
Speaker 13: goes through our factory and through our production lines very smoothly,

767
00:43:40,255 --> 00:43:43,215
Speaker 13: really efficiently limits any sort of.

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Speaker 7: Rework in the factory.

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Speaker 13: And that's really just because of of that consistency with

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00:43:49,455 --> 00:43:52,895
Speaker 13: the gauge in and just doesn't doesn't walk, doesn't walk.

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Speaker 6: So in terms of things like install speed, design, flexibility,

772
00:43:57,415 --> 00:44:00,375
Speaker 6: are there projects where jframes really stood out.

773
00:44:03,255 --> 00:44:07,975
Speaker 13: Not materially, but like I said, I think everybody enjoys

774
00:44:08,535 --> 00:44:12,375
Speaker 13: working with it. As to speed on site, I think

775
00:44:12,375 --> 00:44:15,975
Speaker 13: it is. The feedback we get from builders is it

776
00:44:16,015 --> 00:44:20,975
Speaker 13: is slightly quicker. And again that's just because it's it's

777
00:44:20,975 --> 00:44:26,135
Speaker 13: it's it's true, it's straight, it's it's in that gauge

778
00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:27,695
Speaker 13: is rarely consistent.

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00:44:28,455 --> 00:44:30,855
Speaker 6: And in terms of like introducing jay frame, which is

780
00:44:30,855 --> 00:44:33,815
Speaker 6: an now VL into the plant and introducing it to

781
00:44:33,815 --> 00:44:36,415
Speaker 6: to the to your team, any teething issues.

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00:44:36,095 --> 00:44:38,655
Speaker 9: There no, no, none at all.

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Speaker 13: We just treated it like you like any other any

784
00:44:41,655 --> 00:44:47,055
Speaker 13: other product. Yeah, but yeah, I think the benefit for

785
00:44:47,215 --> 00:44:51,815
Speaker 13: us was just having that confidence that every piece that

786
00:44:51,895 --> 00:44:56,535
Speaker 13: you handle is consistent. You know, with traditional timber, you

787
00:44:56,615 --> 00:44:59,415
Speaker 13: you sort of each piece that you load onto the

788
00:44:59,615 --> 00:45:03,175
Speaker 13: onto the automated saws, you are you are checking for,

789
00:45:03,375 --> 00:45:06,455
Speaker 13: you know, a slight bow and place on on on

790
00:45:07,335 --> 00:45:13,015
Speaker 13: the production line according to that bow. Where jaframe is

791
00:45:13,095 --> 00:45:15,255
Speaker 13: just straight. You don't have to you don't have to

792
00:45:15,255 --> 00:45:17,095
Speaker 13: think about it. You just pick it up and where

793
00:45:17,095 --> 00:45:17,815
Speaker 13: you can put.

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00:45:17,655 --> 00:45:22,215
Speaker 6: It and drop it straight onto the cut saw. Yeah. Absolutely.

795
00:45:22,855 --> 00:45:23,055
Speaker 7: Hey.

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00:45:23,255 --> 00:45:27,855
Speaker 6: Now Jframe also of course has code Mark certification and

797
00:45:28,295 --> 00:45:30,975
Speaker 6: for people not familiar with it, you know, sometimes getting

798
00:45:31,175 --> 00:45:34,135
Speaker 6: consents through and making changes can be a bit tricky

799
00:45:34,175 --> 00:45:37,495
Speaker 6: with counsels. But if it's got code Mark, then that

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00:45:37,695 --> 00:45:41,375
Speaker 6: smooth out that whole process around consents and compliance, isn't it.

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00:45:42,375 --> 00:45:43,255
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I think so.

802
00:45:43,575 --> 00:45:47,455
Speaker 13: I think any product that carries the code Marke sertification

803
00:45:48,415 --> 00:45:53,535
Speaker 13: gives everybody involved some confidence that it's been rigorously checked

804
00:45:53,655 --> 00:45:57,455
Speaker 13: and needs robust builder standards. So so ESP it's just

805
00:45:57,535 --> 00:45:58,375
Speaker 13: that's right, Yeah.

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00:45:58,255 --> 00:45:58,855
Speaker 6: Yeah, brilliant.

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00:45:59,015 --> 00:45:59,175
Speaker 15: Hey.

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Speaker 6: Now, in terms of the LVLS, the engineered timber like Jframe,

809
00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:05,055
Speaker 6: in the years ahead, can you see more and more

810
00:46:05,055 --> 00:46:07,135
Speaker 6: people sort of starting to use it for framing.

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Speaker 13: Personally, I think Engineer Timber will continue to grow signimically

812
00:46:11,615 --> 00:46:17,815
Speaker 13: in New Zealand, driven by sustainability benefits, structural efficiencies. It

813
00:46:17,855 --> 00:46:22,415
Speaker 13: has a much lower carbon footprint compared to steal. It

814
00:46:22,455 --> 00:46:25,735
Speaker 13: offers excellent sort of strength, durability and seismic performance.

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00:46:25,775 --> 00:46:26,695
Speaker 7: So you look.

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Speaker 13: I think Jframe or will reap the benefits of this

817
00:46:31,095 --> 00:46:31,975
Speaker 13: trend going forward.

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00:46:32,015 --> 00:46:34,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, all that innovation is going to pay off. Hey,

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Speaker 6: I really enjoy chatting with you today. If people want

820
00:46:38,055 --> 00:46:41,095
Speaker 6: to know more, it's Bhotakowa Frame and Trust just outside

821
00:46:41,095 --> 00:46:43,655
Speaker 6: of Thames doing bills. We were chatting about this earlier

822
00:46:43,735 --> 00:46:48,535
Speaker 6: from Auckland right throughout the North Island. Check them out online.

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Speaker 6: So it's p f t L dot co dot en Z.

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Speaker 6: If you want to learn more about Jframe then go

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Speaker 6: to JNL dot co dot NZ. Miles, thanks very much

826
00:46:59,055 --> 00:46:59,815
Speaker 6: of your time today.

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Speaker 7: Thanks gat to take care all this good news.

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Speaker 2: Dog ZBI.

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Speaker 6: News talks b PEG Wolf Camp with you. We're talking

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Speaker 6: all things building construction. Quick text before we talk to Jason. Hey, Pete,

831
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Speaker 6: my daughter wants to close up an open fireplace in

832
00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:20,935
Speaker 6: her nineteen sixties bungalow. Will she require a building consent

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00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:24,935
Speaker 6: to remove the hearth and brick mantle, then block up

834
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Speaker 6: the fireplace and internally line the opening. They'll not touch

835
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Speaker 6: the exterior brick chimney. Many thanks, Mike, Mike. No, there's

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00:47:34,415 --> 00:47:37,735
Speaker 6: no requirement to get a building consent. There is if

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Speaker 6: you were to remove the chimney, and the reason being

838
00:47:41,055 --> 00:47:43,215
Speaker 6: for many older homes that the chimney was one of

839
00:47:43,255 --> 00:47:45,855
Speaker 6: the first things that was built, and then parts of

840
00:47:45,895 --> 00:47:49,455
Speaker 6: the house are actually attached to it. Certainly, you know,

841
00:47:49,575 --> 00:47:51,815
Speaker 6: part of the selling joists and so it might actually

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00:47:51,815 --> 00:47:55,615
Speaker 6: be supported by the chimney. Plus, typically the chimney extends

843
00:47:55,615 --> 00:47:57,375
Speaker 6: through the roof, so you've got to make sure that

844
00:47:57,375 --> 00:47:59,655
Speaker 6: that's where the tight But if what you're doing is

845
00:47:59,695 --> 00:48:04,935
Speaker 6: simply removing the hearth and removing the mantle from around

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00:48:04,975 --> 00:48:09,975
Speaker 6: it and blocking that up, just internal minor alterations, no

847
00:48:10,135 --> 00:48:13,095
Speaker 6: requirement to get a building consent there. So that's a

848
00:48:13,175 --> 00:48:15,815
Speaker 6: job that you can do before Christmas. I'm sure right.

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00:48:15,855 --> 00:48:18,095
Speaker 6: We're taking your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

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00:48:18,175 --> 00:48:20,855
Speaker 6: eighty is the number the call Jason, Very good morning to.

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00:48:20,815 --> 00:48:23,615
Speaker 11: You, Oh, good morning to you, Pete.

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00:48:25,055 --> 00:48:27,095
Speaker 12: I've just waken up myself.

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00:48:27,095 --> 00:48:27,615
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?

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00:48:27,655 --> 00:48:29,775
Speaker 6: Okay, absolutely, go for it.

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00:48:32,135 --> 00:48:33,615
Speaker 11: I just there's two issues.

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Speaker 9: One was, I've just moved into this new complex.

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Speaker 11: It's really cool, it's really good for me.

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00:48:41,575 --> 00:48:43,535
Speaker 16: But when I look at walk out on the for

859
00:48:43,695 --> 00:48:49,055
Speaker 16: you out to the road or whatever in amongst the complex,

860
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Speaker 16: my feet are like getting pins and needles in it.

861
00:48:53,175 --> 00:48:56,175
Speaker 16: Like I have to go get some gandal too or

862
00:48:56,215 --> 00:48:59,375
Speaker 16: songs to walk out on there, or wear my shoes

863
00:48:59,375 --> 00:49:02,855
Speaker 16: all the time. Well, what's happened to the concrete there

864
00:49:03,255 --> 00:49:05,375
Speaker 16: or the slab that they've they do?

865
00:49:06,295 --> 00:49:08,895
Speaker 6: So this is an exterior concrete like a patio or

866
00:49:08,935 --> 00:49:11,295
Speaker 6: a pathway leading up to the house. I presume it's

867
00:49:11,295 --> 00:49:18,455
Speaker 6: not inside the house. Yeah. As a really straightforward way

868
00:49:18,495 --> 00:49:22,535
Speaker 6: of finishing exterior concrete is after it's being trailed and

869
00:49:22,575 --> 00:49:26,855
Speaker 6: then floated and then trailed off, they'll wait for it

870
00:49:26,895 --> 00:49:28,735
Speaker 6: to set for a little while and then they'll run

871
00:49:28,775 --> 00:49:31,335
Speaker 6: across it with a broom to give it a broom finish.

872
00:49:31,375 --> 00:49:34,295
Speaker 6: It's the most common way of doing exterior concrete, and

873
00:49:34,335 --> 00:49:37,255
Speaker 6: the benefit of the broom finishes it raps it up slightly,

874
00:49:37,335 --> 00:49:39,655
Speaker 6: which means that you're not going to slip and fall

875
00:49:39,695 --> 00:49:44,935
Speaker 6: over every time you go out outside. Right, So I

876
00:49:45,015 --> 00:49:46,415
Speaker 6: think the fact that you have to go and get

877
00:49:46,415 --> 00:49:50,655
Speaker 6: your jandles to walk outside, if you've got particularly sensitive feet,

878
00:49:51,095 --> 00:49:54,695
Speaker 6: well it's stopping you from going base over APEX basically.

879
00:49:56,335 --> 00:49:57,455
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like.

880
00:49:59,535 --> 00:50:00,015
Speaker 7: Stains.

881
00:50:00,055 --> 00:50:03,375
Speaker 14: It's like walking on stains. Your feet really feel it?

882
00:50:04,815 --> 00:50:07,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean look if is this your own.

883
00:50:07,415 --> 00:50:10,695
Speaker 9: Place, Oh no, no, this is this is a complex or.

884
00:50:13,895 --> 00:50:16,495
Speaker 6: I suspect that they've they've finished the concrete in such

885
00:50:16,495 --> 00:50:20,535
Speaker 6: a way to ensure that it's slip resistant. Now, maybe

886
00:50:20,575 --> 00:50:22,935
Speaker 6: they've gone a little bit over the top in terms

887
00:50:22,935 --> 00:50:26,375
Speaker 6: of going for you know, something that's a little bit

888
00:50:27,335 --> 00:50:31,055
Speaker 6: more abrasive perhaps than you might have expected. But in

889
00:50:31,095 --> 00:50:35,015
Speaker 6: the end, I think chances are that's how it's designed

890
00:50:35,015 --> 00:50:37,495
Speaker 6: to be to ensure that people don't fall over. And

891
00:50:37,575 --> 00:50:40,455
Speaker 6: if it means that you have to wear jendles when

892
00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:42,335
Speaker 6: you're outside, well that's going to be the way that

893
00:50:42,415 --> 00:50:44,815
Speaker 6: it is. Good luck with that, Jason, all the very

894
00:50:44,815 --> 00:50:47,215
Speaker 6: best to you and Lynn A very good morning to you.

895
00:50:49,095 --> 00:50:51,775
Speaker 17: Good morning hey and them hoping you can help me out,

896
00:50:52,295 --> 00:50:52,855
Speaker 17: good morning.

897
00:50:54,055 --> 00:50:54,895
Speaker 6: Indeed, it is.

898
00:50:57,895 --> 00:51:02,735
Speaker 17: I just really I last winter came groggily, had breakfast

899
00:51:02,775 --> 00:51:05,255
Speaker 17: and there was water coming out of the light in

900
00:51:05,295 --> 00:51:08,055
Speaker 17: the kitchen, and that turned out to be a pin

901
00:51:08,215 --> 00:51:12,855
Speaker 17: hole US pleasure in the copper piping in the kitchen.

902
00:51:13,495 --> 00:51:17,975
Speaker 17: So all fixed that, no drama's done. Then this a

903
00:51:18,015 --> 00:51:20,415
Speaker 17: couple of weeks ago, I had another one in the hall.

904
00:51:20,775 --> 00:51:24,095
Speaker 17: It's started dripping down and that was once again, luckily

905
00:51:24,255 --> 00:51:28,015
Speaker 17: it seems to happen when I noticed it within an hour,

906
00:51:28,135 --> 00:51:30,695
Speaker 17: so it was fixed. And there's a little bit of

907
00:51:30,735 --> 00:51:32,735
Speaker 17: damage to the timber that's got to dry out and

908
00:51:32,775 --> 00:51:36,535
Speaker 17: be sorted. Not a great deal, but it's a nineteen

909
00:51:36,615 --> 00:51:39,935
Speaker 17: nineties house. Can I expect this to keep happening? Is

910
00:51:40,055 --> 00:51:41,935
Speaker 17: Do you have any advice about what you would do

911
00:51:41,975 --> 00:51:42,975
Speaker 17: if it was your house.

912
00:51:46,735 --> 00:51:49,775
Speaker 6: I do recall a story, and it's going back a

913
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:52,295
Speaker 6: few years, which makes sense if you're talking about a

914
00:51:52,375 --> 00:51:56,295
Speaker 6: nineteen nineties house where there was a batch of copper

915
00:51:56,335 --> 00:52:04,095
Speaker 6: that came into the country that had been basically poorly manufactured, right,

916
00:52:04,255 --> 00:52:08,415
Speaker 6: and so the thickness of the wall was uneven, and

917
00:52:08,815 --> 00:52:11,695
Speaker 6: that particular batch, and I don't know whether that's one

918
00:52:11,735 --> 00:52:14,615
Speaker 6: hundred lengths of pipe or a thousand lengths of copper

919
00:52:14,615 --> 00:52:18,975
Speaker 6: pipe was installed into houses and then people found that

920
00:52:19,095 --> 00:52:22,095
Speaker 6: after a period of time, there was a failure because

921
00:52:22,495 --> 00:52:25,855
Speaker 6: the wall was not the correct thickness and you had

922
00:52:25,855 --> 00:52:30,735
Speaker 6: these little pin hole leaks appear in copper because typically

923
00:52:30,775 --> 00:52:34,015
Speaker 6: when we talk about copper piping, it's really really rare

924
00:52:34,175 --> 00:52:36,655
Speaker 6: unless you've driven a nail through it to actually have

925
00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:40,895
Speaker 6: a problem with it, right, it's generally regarded as being

926
00:52:41,055 --> 00:52:46,095
Speaker 6: very robust. But there was an incident where essentially some

927
00:52:46,175 --> 00:52:51,255
Speaker 6: substandard product was introduced into the market. It's been installed

928
00:52:51,295 --> 00:52:56,375
Speaker 6: into houses, and I guess, you know, practically speaking, let's

929
00:52:56,375 --> 00:52:58,855
Speaker 6: say the plumber coming to plumb your house when it

930
00:52:58,895 --> 00:53:01,575
Speaker 6: was brand new, would go to the merchant would pick up,

931
00:53:01,895 --> 00:53:05,415
Speaker 6: you know, five ten lengths of copper piping copper tubing

932
00:53:05,495 --> 00:53:08,855
Speaker 6: that they need. So chances are all of the piping

933
00:53:08,935 --> 00:53:13,895
Speaker 6: from your house is from potentially that defective bunch, in

934
00:53:13,975 --> 00:53:18,375
Speaker 6: which case it's not every single length, and it's not

935
00:53:18,615 --> 00:53:22,575
Speaker 6: every single part of every single length, but you couldn't

936
00:53:22,575 --> 00:53:26,175
Speaker 6: discount the possibility that there might be some other leaks

937
00:53:26,255 --> 00:53:30,175
Speaker 6: in your house over time. So it makes it sound

938
00:53:30,255 --> 00:53:33,655
Speaker 6: like there was another defective type of piping that we had,

939
00:53:33,695 --> 00:53:36,455
Speaker 6: which is called all sorts of problems for people. So

940
00:53:37,535 --> 00:53:40,255
Speaker 6: the question I guess is do you go to the

941
00:53:40,335 --> 00:53:43,335
Speaker 6: expense of removing it. I don't know whether you'd be

942
00:53:43,375 --> 00:53:46,255
Speaker 6: able to make a claim anymore unless you went to

943
00:53:46,335 --> 00:53:51,495
Speaker 6: your insurer and said, to your ensurer, you know this

944
00:53:52,095 --> 00:53:56,375
Speaker 6: is likely to happen again. How about we do one repair,

945
00:53:57,015 --> 00:53:59,335
Speaker 6: rip it all out, replace it all and then we

946
00:53:59,415 --> 00:54:02,015
Speaker 6: never have to worry about it. But only if your

947
00:54:02,055 --> 00:54:03,775
Speaker 6: insurer was going to meet the cost of that.

948
00:54:06,735 --> 00:54:11,495
Speaker 17: Yeah, irang them when it first happened, because it were

949
00:54:11,815 --> 00:54:14,975
Speaker 17: in this water country. And I got the thing about

950
00:54:15,015 --> 00:54:18,815
Speaker 17: if it's a slow leak, laddie glady, we won't cover you.

951
00:54:19,815 --> 00:54:24,255
Speaker 17: And whether bad see that it's been me replace it

952
00:54:24,335 --> 00:54:26,975
Speaker 17: or it would be my problem anyway, I'm not sure.

953
00:54:28,215 --> 00:54:31,255
Speaker 6: Yeah, And this is that whole thing between gradual damage

954
00:54:31,295 --> 00:54:34,575
Speaker 6: and an accident sort of thing, so you know, in

955
00:54:34,655 --> 00:54:37,815
Speaker 6: the end if you get a see I don't think

956
00:54:37,815 --> 00:54:40,575
Speaker 6: that they should categorize a leak and a pipe. A

957
00:54:40,655 --> 00:54:43,975
Speaker 6: hole in a pipe is gradual damage, right, that's an

958
00:54:43,975 --> 00:54:46,575
Speaker 6: event the pipe was working, then the pipe's not working,

959
00:54:46,695 --> 00:54:51,335
Speaker 6: therefore it's an accident. So gradual damage, I think is

960
00:54:51,375 --> 00:54:54,775
Speaker 6: things like people going, look, I didn't repair the spouting.

961
00:54:54,895 --> 00:54:57,095
Speaker 6: It's been running down the wall for five years and

962
00:54:57,135 --> 00:54:59,935
Speaker 6: now my wall is rotten. Well that's gradual damage, right,

963
00:55:00,855 --> 00:55:04,855
Speaker 6: So I guess you could go to your insurer and say, hey,

964
00:55:05,215 --> 00:55:07,055
Speaker 6: if we want to make sure or that this doesn't

965
00:55:07,095 --> 00:55:11,855
Speaker 6: happen again, let's make a claim to replace for that damage,

966
00:55:11,855 --> 00:55:14,895
Speaker 6: to replace all of the pipework. The other option would

967
00:55:14,935 --> 00:55:20,175
Speaker 6: be I guess you just go do a negotiated settlement.

968
00:55:20,575 --> 00:55:23,695
Speaker 6: And again, there was a product a couple of years

969
00:55:23,735 --> 00:55:27,735
Speaker 6: ago called Duck's Quest and it was a PBC pipe

970
00:55:27,895 --> 00:55:31,655
Speaker 6: and the elbows tended to fail on it. And I

971
00:55:31,735 --> 00:55:33,775
Speaker 6: know people who had their whole house piped out and

972
00:55:33,815 --> 00:55:36,255
Speaker 6: this one would go. A couple of years later, another

973
00:55:36,295 --> 00:55:39,055
Speaker 6: one would go, and someone I know eventually went to

974
00:55:39,095 --> 00:55:41,655
Speaker 6: their insuran and said, look, the only way to solve

975
00:55:41,735 --> 00:55:45,815
Speaker 6: this is to repipe the entire house. They got a

976
00:55:45,935 --> 00:55:48,655
Speaker 6: payout from the insurer and they use that to do

977
00:55:48,695 --> 00:55:52,535
Speaker 6: that work. So potentially you could try and do that

978
00:55:52,575 --> 00:55:53,495
Speaker 6: with your insurer.

979
00:55:54,695 --> 00:55:55,015
Speaker 14: Thank you.

980
00:55:55,935 --> 00:55:58,855
Speaker 17: Yeah, Okay, yeah, I just winded because you're I've been

981
00:55:58,935 --> 00:56:00,575
Speaker 17: here how many a while?

982
00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:05,695
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been there a while. And the other thing is,

983
00:56:05,735 --> 00:56:09,095
Speaker 6: if it's nine right, so we're talking thirty thirty five years,

984
00:56:09,535 --> 00:56:13,575
Speaker 6: you've had two minor leaks and thirty five years, do

985
00:56:13,655 --> 00:56:16,655
Speaker 6: you kind of take the risk and go, you know what,

986
00:56:17,175 --> 00:56:19,375
Speaker 6: I think that in the next ten years that I'm

987
00:56:19,415 --> 00:56:21,815
Speaker 6: in the house or whatever it's going to be, maybe

988
00:56:21,855 --> 00:56:25,935
Speaker 6: I have one more leak. Do you accept that risk?

989
00:56:27,055 --> 00:56:30,055
Speaker 6: Doesn't doesn't feel comfortable, But it's a possibility, isn't it.

990
00:56:31,055 --> 00:56:31,935
Speaker 17: It's possibility?

991
00:56:32,295 --> 00:56:34,415
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, thank good luck for.

992
00:56:34,455 --> 00:56:35,175
Speaker 9: That at least.

993
00:56:35,855 --> 00:56:37,895
Speaker 6: And I'm sure if you did a Google search you

994
00:56:37,935 --> 00:56:40,495
Speaker 6: would see some news stories about that copper piping.

995
00:56:41,655 --> 00:56:45,375
Speaker 17: Okay, I loll and thank you, thank you for your advisers.

996
00:56:45,415 --> 00:56:48,775
Speaker 6: All my pleasure, lovely to chat with you this morning, Lynd.

997
00:56:48,935 --> 00:56:51,775
Speaker 6: You take care all the best, Ridio. We'll talk to

998
00:56:51,855 --> 00:56:53,975
Speaker 6: Kevin after the break. If you'd like to join us,

999
00:56:54,015 --> 00:56:56,295
Speaker 6: the lines are open. The number to call is oh,

1000
00:56:56,335 --> 00:57:01,135
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty eighty ten eighty, it's me and

1001
00:57:01,215 --> 00:57:02,455
Speaker 6: it is seven twenty one.

1002
00:57:03,095 --> 00:57:05,535
Speaker 2: Doing up the house and sorting the garden. Asked Pete

1003
00:57:05,535 --> 00:57:06,055
Speaker 2: for a hand.

1004
00:57:06,455 --> 00:57:13,095
Speaker 1: A resident builder with Peter Wolfcab calls.

1005
00:57:12,775 --> 00:57:14,775
Speaker 6: Your news Talks be We're going to catch up with

1006
00:57:15,175 --> 00:57:19,135
Speaker 6: Dan Saunders later on from christ Church around the super

1007
00:57:19,135 --> 00:57:22,775
Speaker 6: home movement. And actually I'll tell you why it's really important,

1008
00:57:22,815 --> 00:57:25,855
Speaker 6: and I guess somewhere like christ Church. I live in Auckland,

1009
00:57:26,655 --> 00:57:29,975
Speaker 6: christ Church further south where it genuinely gets cold. Parts

1010
00:57:30,015 --> 00:57:32,575
Speaker 6: of the North Island obviously get cold as well, or

1011
00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:36,575
Speaker 6: colder than Auckland. I'm on the road at the moment

1012
00:57:36,695 --> 00:57:40,175
Speaker 6: and I've been staying with some friends who live just

1013
00:57:40,335 --> 00:57:43,815
Speaker 6: north of London, about thirty minutes on the high speed train,

1014
00:57:43,935 --> 00:57:48,895
Speaker 6: so north of London, and they've done some renovations to

1015
00:57:48,935 --> 00:57:51,975
Speaker 6: their house and they really set out to try and

1016
00:57:52,015 --> 00:57:56,295
Speaker 6: make an energy efficient house, so lots of insulation, good

1017
00:57:56,375 --> 00:58:01,695
Speaker 6: quality joinery, They've got a heat recovery system inside the house.

1018
00:58:02,415 --> 00:58:06,335
Speaker 6: And being inside that house looking out at frost on

1019
00:58:06,375 --> 00:58:09,455
Speaker 6: the ground outside, knowing it's two or three degrees and

1020
00:58:09,495 --> 00:58:12,135
Speaker 6: I'm walking around the house in bare feet in a

1021
00:58:12,215 --> 00:58:16,775
Speaker 6: T shirt in the beginning of winter over here, says

1022
00:58:16,815 --> 00:58:20,015
Speaker 6: why if we build well, we'll get better houses, and

1023
00:58:20,055 --> 00:58:22,015
Speaker 6: I think we'll have healthy people as a result of it.

1024
00:58:22,095 --> 00:58:25,135
Speaker 6: So that's been a good insight for me in a

1025
00:58:25,175 --> 00:58:29,215
Speaker 6: place where you know, building performance is tested by the environment.

1026
00:58:29,575 --> 00:58:32,255
Speaker 6: If you do it well, it's going to look after you.

1027
00:58:32,495 --> 00:58:34,415
Speaker 6: A couple of quick texts before we talk to Kevin,

1028
00:58:34,775 --> 00:58:37,455
Speaker 6: good morning, regarding a new roof being installed. Am I

1029
00:58:37,535 --> 00:58:42,015
Speaker 6: supposed to provide tea, morning tea and lunch? Also, I've

1030
00:58:42,055 --> 00:58:44,455
Speaker 6: heard that when the job is completed, am I to

1031
00:58:44,495 --> 00:58:46,575
Speaker 6: buy the roof of something? Am I supposed to what?

1032
00:58:46,615 --> 00:58:49,255
Speaker 6: Am I supposed to buy them? And then they talk

1033
00:58:49,295 --> 00:58:51,015
Speaker 6: a little bit about the price for the job, about

1034
00:58:51,015 --> 00:58:53,455
Speaker 6: twenty grand, which is not too bad. I would have

1035
00:58:53,495 --> 00:58:57,175
Speaker 6: thought that's from Margaret. Margaret, you don't have to get

1036
00:58:57,215 --> 00:59:00,415
Speaker 6: morning tea and lunch. But at the same time, if

1037
00:59:00,455 --> 00:59:03,295
Speaker 6: you do, and you know, the roofers might be there

1038
00:59:03,335 --> 00:59:05,535
Speaker 6: three four days, right, if you were to do a

1039
00:59:05,535 --> 00:59:09,015
Speaker 6: little morning tea and something a bite to it at lunchtime,

1040
00:59:10,015 --> 00:59:12,175
Speaker 6: I'm sure that they will do a much better job

1041
00:59:12,295 --> 00:59:16,615
Speaker 6: for you than if you didn't. And at the end

1042
00:59:16,615 --> 00:59:18,695
Speaker 6: of the job. Yeah, well, a roof shout is a

1043
00:59:18,695 --> 00:59:21,255
Speaker 6: traditional thing. It's a little bit trickier these days in

1044
00:59:21,335 --> 00:59:25,735
Speaker 6: terms of I suppose being responsible for people and ensuring

1045
00:59:25,735 --> 00:59:27,775
Speaker 6: that they don't drink and drive and those sorts of things.

1046
00:59:27,815 --> 00:59:31,455
Speaker 6: And I've noticed that roof shouts are not as common

1047
00:59:31,455 --> 00:59:33,175
Speaker 6: as they used to be, but it is quite a

1048
00:59:33,255 --> 00:59:36,335
Speaker 6: nice idea. So Margaret, look, I'm sure if you were

1049
00:59:36,375 --> 00:59:39,495
Speaker 6: to give them a cup of tea and maybe something

1050
00:59:39,735 --> 00:59:42,215
Speaker 6: a couple of scones at lunchtime, something like that. I

1051
00:59:42,215 --> 00:59:45,015
Speaker 6: think it's a great idea. Someone's also pointed out this

1052
00:59:45,055 --> 00:59:48,375
Speaker 6: is a very good and straightforward text. Insurance companies do

1053
00:59:48,415 --> 00:59:52,415
Speaker 6: not get involved in preventative safety that could cause damage.

1054
00:59:52,455 --> 00:59:55,535
Speaker 6: That's never been accepted in New Zealand time and time again.

1055
00:59:55,655 --> 00:59:57,615
Speaker 6: As a builder, we've tried to prevent things. Get the

1056
00:59:57,655 --> 01:00:00,735
Speaker 6: insurance company to comforate, No way. So I think the

1057
01:00:00,775 --> 01:00:03,335
Speaker 6: point there is that you know, I was talking, we

1058
01:00:03,375 --> 01:00:06,295
Speaker 6: were talking with Lynn about the copper piping that's gone,

1059
01:00:06,535 --> 01:00:10,615
Speaker 6: these pinhole pricks developing in it. So you could go

1060
01:00:10,655 --> 01:00:13,535
Speaker 6: to the insurer and go, look, can we do a

1061
01:00:13,655 --> 01:00:16,615
Speaker 6: payout on this that I'll go ahead and do the repairs,

1062
01:00:16,975 --> 01:00:21,375
Speaker 6: and then you fund the replacement by using that money

1063
01:00:21,415 --> 01:00:24,295
Speaker 6: as kind of the beginning of your budget for that.

1064
01:00:24,295 --> 01:00:26,255
Speaker 6: That's kind of what I was talking about. But you're right,

1065
01:00:26,295 --> 01:00:29,655
Speaker 6: I don't think insurers are going to be wanting to

1066
01:00:29,775 --> 01:00:36,415
Speaker 6: provide preventative methods or measures for that. Another quick one too,

1067
01:00:36,775 --> 01:00:38,935
Speaker 6: just before we talk to Kevin Pete. A twelve year

1068
01:00:38,935 --> 01:00:42,095
Speaker 6: old weatherboard house and all of the double glazing windows

1069
01:00:42,135 --> 01:00:46,535
Speaker 6: are failing. They're showing moisture between the glass. I'm told

1070
01:00:46,535 --> 01:00:49,775
Speaker 6: we've got a ten year warranty. Are there any options

1071
01:00:49,855 --> 01:00:54,535
Speaker 6: other than to replace? That's from Josh. I mean, look,

1072
01:00:54,735 --> 01:00:59,255
Speaker 6: one or two failures maybe might be expected, but I

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01:00:59,335 --> 01:01:02,295
Speaker 6: suspect that there is a bigger problem with the glazing.

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01:01:02,855 --> 01:01:05,575
Speaker 6: If you're getting all of the glazing in a twelve

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01:01:05,655 --> 01:01:11,375
Speaker 6: year old house that's failing. Technically, yes, it's a ten

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01:01:11,455 --> 01:01:14,095
Speaker 6: year warranty. You would like to think though, that if

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01:01:14,135 --> 01:01:17,015
Speaker 6: you were able to track who the manufacturer was and

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01:01:17,095 --> 01:01:19,975
Speaker 6: ask them to come out, that they would help you out.

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01:01:19,975 --> 01:01:23,855
Speaker 6: Because I mean, we've all seen glazing that's double glazing

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01:01:23,895 --> 01:01:28,895
Speaker 6: that's considerably older than that that doesn't fail very rarely.

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01:01:29,015 --> 01:01:34,255
Speaker 6: I've seen much newer double glazing fail. But I think

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01:01:34,255 --> 01:01:37,135
Speaker 6: if I was you, i'd try and track down who

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01:01:37,175 --> 01:01:40,615
Speaker 6: the original provider of the double glazing units is and

1084
01:01:40,655 --> 01:01:43,775
Speaker 6: see whether they would come to the party. You may

1085
01:01:43,775 --> 01:01:45,415
Speaker 6: not want to hold your breath for that, but I

1086
01:01:45,415 --> 01:01:47,935
Speaker 6: would give it a go. Right, we're back to your calls.

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01:01:48,015 --> 01:01:50,775
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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01:01:50,775 --> 01:01:51,775
Speaker 6: to call? Kevin?

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01:01:52,015 --> 01:01:56,015
Speaker 15: A very good morning, good morning to you, Pete, Hey,

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01:01:56,055 --> 01:01:59,375
Speaker 15: I've got a couple of well I think are real

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01:01:59,415 --> 01:02:03,255
Speaker 15: good building tips where you're going and your listeners.

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01:02:03,815 --> 01:02:05,655
Speaker 18: So the first one is I'd done a reno a

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01:02:05,695 --> 01:02:10,335
Speaker 18: few years ago and I put in ranchlider and new

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01:02:10,375 --> 01:02:13,175
Speaker 18: windows and that. So then on a dead alongside the

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01:02:13,255 --> 01:02:16,135
Speaker 18: stud was put in some six y two to the

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01:02:16,175 --> 01:02:19,175
Speaker 18: next one, so that when the plaster board went on

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01:02:19,615 --> 01:02:22,255
Speaker 18: and I was putting the curtain rail up, I screwed

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01:02:22,255 --> 01:02:23,175
Speaker 18: it straight into wood.

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Speaker 6: Brilliant. Yes.

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01:02:25,895 --> 01:02:29,375
Speaker 18: And the other one is this anybody with French doors,

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01:02:29,615 --> 01:02:33,295
Speaker 18: This is what I've done a few years ago. Now,

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01:02:33,335 --> 01:02:35,695
Speaker 18: this was a wooden deck, but it wouldn't matter what

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01:02:36,175 --> 01:02:38,415
Speaker 18: deck is, but the wooden one made it but easier.

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01:02:38,855 --> 01:02:41,375
Speaker 18: So I got a bit of one fifty one fifty

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01:02:42,015 --> 01:02:48,015
Speaker 18: one fifty long catalyzed blot and I cut the center

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01:02:48,055 --> 01:02:51,255
Speaker 18: out of it to the depth of the from the

1107
01:02:51,375 --> 01:02:55,375
Speaker 18: deck up to the underside of the French door underneath it,

1108
01:02:56,255 --> 01:03:01,975
Speaker 18: and probably overlapped it by probably about sixty mil so

1109
01:03:02,095 --> 01:03:04,495
Speaker 18: that the door was down into the cut by about

1110
01:03:04,535 --> 01:03:08,575
Speaker 18: sixty milk. Then I earn that over took the edge

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01:03:08,615 --> 01:03:12,935
Speaker 18: off the block both ends. Then draw the whole white

1112
01:03:12,975 --> 01:03:17,775
Speaker 18: through and then used a bit of quite well, I

1113
01:03:17,855 --> 01:03:20,295
Speaker 18: use a bit of number eight. Why but people that

1114
01:03:20,655 --> 01:03:24,695
Speaker 18: haven't got number weight, why they could use some rolling

1115
01:03:24,815 --> 01:03:27,295
Speaker 18: ride and take the flux of it, put a pigtail

1116
01:03:27,335 --> 01:03:30,695
Speaker 18: in it, and then that goes between the gaps and

1117
01:03:30,775 --> 01:03:35,855
Speaker 18: your wooden deck. And then if you had a concrete one, well,

1118
01:03:35,975 --> 01:03:38,855
Speaker 18: what I'd suggest is you put a plate on the

1119
01:03:38,895 --> 01:03:42,295
Speaker 18: side of the block, slide it onto your French door,

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01:03:43,255 --> 01:03:46,495
Speaker 18: and then mark the holes out so that when you

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01:03:46,695 --> 01:03:51,535
Speaker 18: come to open your door however far you want it,

1122
01:03:51,535 --> 01:03:54,295
Speaker 18: it's easy. Ton't drop me wire down into the holes

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01:03:54,335 --> 01:03:56,375
Speaker 18: you put a concrete.

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01:03:58,935 --> 01:04:02,775
Speaker 6: I think I get what you mean. I good ideas,

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01:04:02,855 --> 01:04:04,775
Speaker 6: why not? Thank you very much for that, Kevin, much

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01:04:04,815 --> 01:04:08,615
Speaker 6: appreciate it quickly before we go to the break Pete.

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01:04:08,655 --> 01:04:11,895
Speaker 6: Insurers will rigidly stick to the overriding condition that for

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01:04:11,975 --> 01:04:15,095
Speaker 6: any claim to be admitted, there has to be unforeseen,

1129
01:04:15,295 --> 01:04:20,295
Speaker 6: accidental and sudden circumstances. So again, you know, you might

1130
01:04:20,295 --> 01:04:22,615
Speaker 6: be able to go for a settlement that allows you

1131
01:04:22,655 --> 01:04:25,815
Speaker 6: to use that money to do the repairs and maybe

1132
01:04:25,855 --> 01:04:29,855
Speaker 6: do some preventative maintenance. But you're right, the insurer themselves

1133
01:04:29,975 --> 01:04:34,495
Speaker 6: is unlikely to pay out for that, so appreciate that unforeseen,

1134
01:04:34,695 --> 01:04:38,615
Speaker 6: accidental and sudden circumstances. That's how it goes. And someone's

1135
01:04:38,695 --> 01:04:41,935
Speaker 6: text through too, because we were talking with Miles about jframe.

1136
01:04:42,575 --> 01:04:45,615
Speaker 6: So what is jframe. Well, it is an LVL timber,

1137
01:04:45,695 --> 01:04:49,455
Speaker 6: so it's from the good people that you can jn L.

1138
01:04:50,575 --> 01:04:53,935
Speaker 6: It's a laminated Veneer lumber. I've been using it as

1139
01:04:53,935 --> 01:04:56,615
Speaker 6: I probably would have first used it more than ten

1140
01:04:56,695 --> 01:05:02,695
Speaker 6: years ago. So for timber framing because it's laminated, my

1141
01:05:02,815 --> 01:05:06,895
Speaker 6: experience has been that it just like when you cut well,

1142
01:05:06,895 --> 01:05:09,015
Speaker 6: when you you've got to pack there and you're cutting

1143
01:05:09,015 --> 01:05:11,935
Speaker 6: frames literally every single stick you can use. Because it's

1144
01:05:11,975 --> 01:05:16,295
Speaker 6: true and it's straight. It's dimensionally stable, a little bit

1145
01:05:16,375 --> 01:05:20,815
Speaker 6: heavier than sort of conventional timber, but it is in

1146
01:05:20,895 --> 01:05:25,775
Speaker 6: terms of its rigidity, it's it's just fabulous. So jframe

1147
01:05:25,855 --> 01:05:27,855
Speaker 6: just look it up. Just go JNL dot co dot

1148
01:05:27,935 --> 01:05:31,615
Speaker 6: nz you'll find out all the information for jaframe there. Right,

1149
01:05:31,655 --> 01:05:35,415
Speaker 6: we can take short break Diana up straight after the break.

1150
01:05:35,295 --> 01:05:38,215
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with stealing, fixing with fans, or wondering

1151
01:05:38,215 --> 01:05:39,975
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Do you

1152
01:05:39,975 --> 01:05:44,095
Speaker 1: have a Peter wolfcap call on eight eighty the resident

1153
01:05:44,135 --> 01:05:47,015
Speaker 1: builder on youth dogs, b you a.

1154
01:05:47,055 --> 01:05:50,135
Speaker 6: News talks the b Someone has helpfully text through to say, hey, look,

1155
01:05:50,175 --> 01:05:52,015
Speaker 6: there's a bit of an echo in the room. You're

1156
01:05:52,095 --> 01:05:55,375
Speaker 6: right there is because I'm probably in a one hundred,

1157
01:05:55,375 --> 01:05:58,895
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty year old building in France. It's

1158
01:05:58,975 --> 01:06:02,175
Speaker 6: lots of bricks and bits and pieces. So maybe next

1159
01:06:02,175 --> 01:06:04,255
Speaker 6: week when I'm in a different country it might sound

1160
01:06:04,295 --> 01:06:06,215
Speaker 6: a bit different. We'll see how we go. Diana agree

1161
01:06:06,535 --> 01:06:06,815
Speaker 6: to you.

1162
01:06:07,855 --> 01:06:12,255
Speaker 19: Good morning, Peter. With a little bit of a problem.

1163
01:06:12,375 --> 01:06:16,495
Speaker 19: Our house is well a fifty years old brick and

1164
01:06:16,535 --> 01:06:23,775
Speaker 19: the grouting has so just appearing on the brick. Can

1165
01:06:23,935 --> 01:06:27,375
Speaker 19: we fix it ourselves by getting some grouting and do it,

1166
01:06:27,495 --> 01:06:31,735
Speaker 19: or do we have to get somebody professional into doo it.

1167
01:06:31,735 --> 01:06:33,975
Speaker 6: It's one of those jobs where really it's just an

1168
01:06:34,015 --> 01:06:37,055
Speaker 6: attention to detail in patience, right, and you've probably got

1169
01:06:37,055 --> 01:06:40,175
Speaker 6: both of those. So yeah, I think that there's no

1170
01:06:40,335 --> 01:06:43,775
Speaker 6: reason that you can't either. You can do You can

1171
01:06:43,815 --> 01:06:47,935
Speaker 6: actually buy bags of trade mortar, right, So it's exactly

1172
01:06:47,935 --> 01:06:52,055
Speaker 6: what briclays would use today. So it's all got the

1173
01:06:52,135 --> 01:06:55,015
Speaker 6: sand and the cement in it, and possibly a little

1174
01:06:55,055 --> 01:06:58,695
Speaker 6: bit of adhesive as well. Mix that up scrape out

1175
01:06:58,735 --> 01:07:01,375
Speaker 6: any loose material. You've got to get the right trail,

1176
01:07:01,455 --> 01:07:04,655
Speaker 6: so a very narrow pointing trail or a grouting trail,

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01:07:05,215 --> 01:07:09,575
Speaker 6: and then work your around just simply replacing that ground

1178
01:07:09,615 --> 01:07:10,455
Speaker 6: where it's missing.

1179
01:07:11,655 --> 01:07:15,535
Speaker 19: Oh, it's heapsmissing. Wasn't until my son bought the attention

1180
01:07:15,695 --> 01:07:18,135
Speaker 19: to me. He said, then we have to do something

1181
01:07:18,175 --> 01:07:24,015
Speaker 19: about the smifflee and fie out if it was possible.

1182
01:07:24,855 --> 01:07:28,655
Speaker 6: What do you think has caused the ground to deteriorate.

1183
01:07:29,775 --> 01:07:30,615
Speaker 11: Over the years.

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01:07:30,775 --> 01:07:33,095
Speaker 19: I mean, I know the house is at least fifty

1185
01:07:33,175 --> 01:07:35,335
Speaker 19: I think it was built on the fifties.

1186
01:07:36,095 --> 01:07:40,455
Speaker 7: Yes, And is it just.

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01:07:42,015 --> 01:07:42,775
Speaker 6: Something like that.

1188
01:07:43,935 --> 01:07:48,135
Speaker 9: No, we're down the beach area. We're in the beach area.

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01:07:48,215 --> 01:07:51,615
Speaker 19: But I know I caused it on one side of

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01:07:51,655 --> 01:07:54,655
Speaker 19: the house because I bought a water bluster and thought

1191
01:07:54,975 --> 01:08:00,495
Speaker 19: I was just water bluster. Have okay, mistake number one.

1192
01:08:00,815 --> 01:08:03,415
Speaker 19: I only did one side, one side of the house,

1193
01:08:03,455 --> 01:08:06,255
Speaker 19: but the rest of it is just quite the terror

1194
01:08:07,175 --> 01:08:08,655
Speaker 19: at the top of the e z.

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01:08:11,935 --> 01:08:12,455
Speaker 11: Of the house.

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01:08:12,655 --> 01:08:12,855
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:08:13,055 --> 01:08:15,615
Speaker 6: Look, I think that if you were to get some

1198
01:08:15,695 --> 01:08:18,375
Speaker 6: trade mortar. There are some other products which are like

1199
01:08:19,695 --> 01:08:25,575
Speaker 6: for semititious crack repair or grout repair, but they come

1200
01:08:25,775 --> 01:08:27,695
Speaker 6: in sort of a small pot. They've got a bit

1201
01:08:27,735 --> 01:08:30,015
Speaker 6: of adhesive in them. They're a little bit finer. But

1202
01:08:30,095 --> 01:08:31,895
Speaker 6: if you've got quite a lot to do, you'll be

1203
01:08:31,935 --> 01:08:38,895
Speaker 6: buying a lot of pots of the whole trade. Mortar

1204
01:08:39,735 --> 01:08:43,055
Speaker 6: have a practice in a not so obvious area, scrape

1205
01:08:43,095 --> 01:08:47,055
Speaker 6: out anything that's loose, bring the pointing up to the surface,

1206
01:08:47,135 --> 01:08:50,535
Speaker 6: strike it off, wash the bricks down and then just

1207
01:08:50,615 --> 01:08:55,695
Speaker 6: carry on. So attention to detail and perseverance is the key.

1208
01:08:55,975 --> 01:09:00,615
Speaker 19: So wash it down after each brick area or.

1209
01:09:01,615 --> 01:09:05,615
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think often when you see no actually I

1210
01:09:05,655 --> 01:09:09,015
Speaker 6: would just brush off. So I think if you mortar

1211
01:09:09,095 --> 01:09:11,975
Speaker 6: needs to be relatively dry when you're applying it. Otherwise

1212
01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:14,855
Speaker 6: it's really hard to get onto the trail and into

1213
01:09:14,935 --> 01:09:18,175
Speaker 6: the ground lines. And then if you do happen to

1214
01:09:18,175 --> 01:09:21,175
Speaker 6: get a little bit onto the brickwork. Often you'll see

1215
01:09:21,175 --> 01:09:23,895
Speaker 6: bricklayers just with an old broom or something like that,

1216
01:09:24,095 --> 01:09:26,295
Speaker 6: just the head of an old brew just dust it

1217
01:09:26,335 --> 01:09:27,095
Speaker 6: off straight away.

1218
01:09:28,575 --> 01:09:29,495
Speaker 19: Well that's going to give them.

1219
01:09:31,695 --> 01:09:33,815
Speaker 6: But yeah, it might be more than a weekend, but

1220
01:09:33,855 --> 01:09:36,615
Speaker 6: at least there's a couple of those before Christmas. All

1221
01:09:36,655 --> 01:09:38,775
Speaker 6: the best do you die, Good luck with all of that,

1222
01:09:38,895 --> 01:09:41,335
Speaker 6: Take care and Sandy, are very good morning to you.

1223
01:09:45,175 --> 01:09:46,215
Speaker 9: Why I'm ody there.

1224
01:09:46,615 --> 01:09:49,175
Speaker 6: Good a Sandy, I am go for it.

1225
01:09:49,255 --> 01:09:53,455
Speaker 14: So I just collapped from under the cats. I bring

1226
01:09:53,535 --> 01:09:57,975
Speaker 14: up a couple of things. Yeah, I'm the electrician today.

1227
01:09:59,255 --> 01:10:02,215
Speaker 14: The mustering windows, I've got that problem too. It's the

1228
01:10:02,455 --> 01:10:03,095
Speaker 14: double glazing.

1229
01:10:03,615 --> 01:10:04,055
Speaker 9: My mate.

1230
01:10:04,695 --> 01:10:06,935
Speaker 14: Luckily we both had them done no years ago, and

1231
01:10:06,935 --> 01:10:09,775
Speaker 14: they're to sturn a full replacement. There's a bit one

1232
01:10:09,855 --> 01:10:14,255
Speaker 14: of them. And they told me around ten years ago

1233
01:10:14,335 --> 01:10:18,695
Speaker 14: they had a certain supply that the fitting because I've

1234
01:10:18,695 --> 01:10:22,175
Speaker 14: got the aluminium framing done, and that all of them

1235
01:10:22,175 --> 01:10:25,535
Speaker 14: are failing from that supplier. So it's like they've got

1236
01:10:25,575 --> 01:10:27,735
Speaker 14: a big bill to take care of around the wrong

1237
01:10:27,775 --> 01:10:28,695
Speaker 14: a prairie area.

1238
01:10:29,215 --> 01:10:31,175
Speaker 7: Yeah, and are they.

1239
01:10:32,535 --> 01:10:36,015
Speaker 6: Without mentioning necessarily a supplier like one of I know

1240
01:10:36,415 --> 01:10:40,015
Speaker 6: because I do do some work with double glazing supplies

1241
01:10:40,095 --> 01:10:44,535
Speaker 6: with metro glass that sometimes what happens is the unit

1242
01:10:44,575 --> 01:10:47,695
Speaker 6: itself is okay, but the way in which it's installed

1243
01:10:48,015 --> 01:10:52,255
Speaker 6: is not as per the recommendations, and the installation can

1244
01:10:52,455 --> 01:10:56,415
Speaker 6: contribute to the failure of the DJ unit. So if

1245
01:10:56,415 --> 01:10:59,455
Speaker 6: there's no spaces under it, that sort of thing, it

1246
01:10:59,455 --> 01:11:02,695
Speaker 6: would be interesting to know what the cause of your failure.

1247
01:11:02,375 --> 01:11:06,615
Speaker 14: Is yes, yes, well I did all the installation, so

1248
01:11:07,575 --> 01:11:09,335
Speaker 14: you know, we left it to them like a one

1249
01:11:09,415 --> 01:11:13,015
Speaker 14: stock shop. Get it sorted. But anyway, I'm glad they're

1250
01:11:13,015 --> 01:11:17,695
Speaker 14: come into the party because I don't you know those

1251
01:11:17,775 --> 01:11:20,495
Speaker 14: round sucker marks where they hold them? Yeah, next thing

1252
01:11:21,175 --> 01:11:23,735
Speaker 14: that concrete. That guy having the problem with concrete and

1253
01:11:23,775 --> 01:11:26,415
Speaker 14: the marks in it. I wonder if he's looked into

1254
01:11:26,535 --> 01:11:29,975
Speaker 14: someone like Elite Creed or someone like that who does

1255
01:11:29,975 --> 01:11:33,535
Speaker 14: the epoxy resin codings on top and they can color it.

1256
01:11:33,815 --> 01:11:37,535
Speaker 14: I've seen them make them look like even wooden boards

1257
01:11:37,615 --> 01:11:40,815
Speaker 14: and or stone or you know, they've they got some

1258
01:11:40,855 --> 01:11:43,455
Speaker 14: real talent, those guys. I almost sort about changing careers

1259
01:11:43,575 --> 01:11:44,935
Speaker 14: looking at doing it looks so good.

1260
01:11:45,415 --> 01:11:47,575
Speaker 6: Then what's the crowd that you're talking about.

1261
01:11:48,615 --> 01:11:51,895
Speaker 14: One's called Elite Creek. They googled that. They'll show them pictures.

1262
01:11:51,895 --> 01:11:56,695
Speaker 14: I think they're an American company, but they have representation

1263
01:11:56,815 --> 01:12:00,455
Speaker 14: in New Zealand and hold courses and stuff like that

1264
01:12:00,495 --> 01:12:02,975
Speaker 14: for anyone who wants to become a contractor. But there's

1265
01:12:03,015 --> 01:12:05,095
Speaker 14: a few people that do it. There's another guy that's

1266
01:12:05,095 --> 01:12:07,175
Speaker 14: just done it for my mate up from a prero

1267
01:12:07,335 --> 01:12:09,055
Speaker 14: as well. I don't know the name of this company,

1268
01:12:09,135 --> 01:12:11,775
Speaker 14: but yeah, I just want to look into POxy resin

1269
01:12:11,935 --> 01:12:15,375
Speaker 14: tonings on concrete and he could choose a color or

1270
01:12:15,415 --> 01:12:17,255
Speaker 14: he could try and make it look like something else

1271
01:12:17,455 --> 01:12:20,655
Speaker 14: or yeah place and.

1272
01:12:20,895 --> 01:12:23,095
Speaker 6: The other one I mentioned too. I did an old

1273
01:12:23,095 --> 01:12:27,255
Speaker 6: concrete table and I recently had it recoated using razine

1274
01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:30,295
Speaker 6: construction of rock coke microstone finishes. This is a new

1275
01:12:30,295 --> 01:12:32,695
Speaker 6: product from them, and again you gat a bit of

1276
01:12:32,695 --> 01:12:35,815
Speaker 6: color to it, trail it on, get whatever finish you want,

1277
01:12:36,295 --> 01:12:39,095
Speaker 6: maybe a little bit of texture, maybe really smooth, and

1278
01:12:39,135 --> 01:12:41,295
Speaker 6: then a clear seiler over the top. And it's it's

1279
01:12:41,335 --> 01:12:45,375
Speaker 6: been transformational, so there are some options there. Sandy really

1280
01:12:45,375 --> 01:12:49,455
Speaker 6: appreciate you giving us a call and you with New

1281
01:12:49,455 --> 01:12:51,935
Speaker 6: Stork set B. We'll take a break. We're going to

1282
01:12:52,015 --> 01:12:54,855
Speaker 6: catch up with Dan Saunders. This is part of super Home,

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Speaker 6: So I don't know why this. I must ask him.

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Speaker 6: Why are super Home so well represented and trush it?

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Speaker 6: Probably because if it's a little bit colder, you want

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Speaker 6: your house to work a little bit harder for you.

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Speaker 6: I think that one of the things that stops maybe

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Speaker 6: those of us who live in the more temperate parts

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Speaker 6: of the North Island from getting super excited about super

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Speaker 6: homes is because our houses don't have to work that

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Speaker 6: hard in terms of keeping us warm in winter when

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Speaker 6: it gets genuinely chili. But like I say, I've been

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Speaker 6: staying with some friends just a little bit north of

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Speaker 6: London and I got up the other morning, opened the curtains,

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Speaker 6: looked out. There's frost on the ground, on the plant boxes,

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Speaker 6: on the trees and all the rest of it. Inside

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Speaker 6: the house, yes there's heating on, but a barely modest

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Speaker 6: amount of heating. But well insulated, good quality double glazing,

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Speaker 6: good quality joinery makes a massive difference. Is that part

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Speaker 6: of the super home story. We'll find out. We'll have

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Speaker 6: a chat with Dan Saunders after the break.

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Speaker 1: A squeaky door or squeaky floor get the right advice

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Speaker 1: from Peter Wolfcab, the resident builder on news Talks hed b.

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Speaker 6: Your news talk said, be one of the groups that

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Speaker 6: I've mentioned a number of times over the last couple

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Speaker 6: of years, essentially ever since they came out with their

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Speaker 6: Better Building Guide has been the super home movement, and

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Speaker 6: a key contributor of that is Dan Saunders from christ Church.

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Speaker 6: A very good morning to you.

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Speaker 7: Dan.

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Speaker 11: It's good morning Peter.

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Speaker 6: How are you today, Greetings, I'm very well.

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Speaker 7: Hey.

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Speaker 6: Now, I understand over the last couple of days there

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Speaker 6: has been an opportunity for the general public to come

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Speaker 6: along and have a look at some of these super

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Speaker 6: homes that are being developed in the christ Church area.

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Speaker 6: Looks like plenty of people have come along to the

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Speaker 6: super home tour.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 20: So we had two houses open or two projects that

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Speaker 20: were open to the public yesterday. One was the A

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Speaker 20: four unit development which is aimed at zero carbon, low

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Speaker 20: carbon homes in Summerfield. So that's called Nafetti Parada, which

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Speaker 20: means to bask and bask in the sun, will warm

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Speaker 20: yourself in the sun. So that was a midbuild open

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Speaker 20: home and it showed basically as it says, the midbuild

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Speaker 20: construction had all the wall faming open and stuff like that,

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Speaker 20: so people can see how the how the belt and

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Speaker 20: what techniques were doing and things like that. The other

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Speaker 20: one was in Addington by Ness Residential, which was they

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Speaker 20: target sort of high density, medium to high density developments,

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Speaker 20: but rather than cheaper version, they put in the base

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Speaker 20: guide of the super home certification guide, so they take

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Speaker 20: at the base level, which means it's still a very warm, warm,

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Speaker 20: and healthy environment for the people to live in.

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Speaker 6: That's fantastic. The mid build I think that that's such

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Speaker 6: a good opportunity in terms of people being able to

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Speaker 6: see because you know, it's all well and good to

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Speaker 6: go to a really high performance house when it's finished,

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Speaker 6: but you don't know the bits that went into it.

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Speaker 6: So to see the insulation, to see how you seal

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Speaker 6: around the joinery, to have a look at some of

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Speaker 6: the ducting and mechanical ventilation that might be in it,

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Speaker 6: that's fantastic.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it was, because that's the people we the people

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Speaker 20: that come in for their interests are the ones that

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Speaker 20: are actually well educated in it now. Like ten years

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Speaker 20: ago when the super movement first started, obviously people weren't

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Speaker 20: really up for it or up to it, so they

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Speaker 20: didn't really know what was going on. So when they

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Speaker 20: walk into a house, like you say, all they see

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Speaker 20: is plaster board carpet and they don't understand the why.

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Speaker 20: So the good thing about it we do, even when

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Speaker 20: we do the completed open homes, it's getting the feel

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Speaker 20: of it, the vibe. So when you walk into the house,

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Speaker 20: you walk into a house that's got, you know, the

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Speaker 20: fresh air coming in from outside one hundred you know,

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Speaker 20: twenty four hours of the day. You've got the acoustically

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Speaker 20: the triple glaze windows that we use. Aside from the

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Speaker 20: fact that they're very firmly efficient, you know, two and

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Speaker 20: a half times standard family broken aluminium, they're very acoustic

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Speaker 20: acoustically sound as well, so perform exceptionally well in that sense.

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Speaker 20: So it's just a quiet, peaceful place to be.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it does, and you can feel it. You can

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Speaker 6: sense it when you're in these spaces, and I've mentioned

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Speaker 6: a couple of signs. I've had the opportunity of the

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Speaker 6: last few days to stay with some friends just outside

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Speaker 6: of London super Home. But they have put a massive

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Speaker 6: amount of effort and thought into creating a house that's

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Speaker 6: going to be warm, particularly when outside for many months

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Speaker 6: of the year it'll be you know, one or two

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Speaker 6: degrees or less in the morning. So being able to

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Speaker 6: walk around their place knowing that it's frosty outside you

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Speaker 6: can see it on the ground, and yet the house

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Speaker 6: is warm, dry, comfortable is amazing. The other thing Dan

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Speaker 6: is the super Home Guide when it came out. How

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Speaker 6: many years ago did the first super Home Guide come out?

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Speaker 20: That was I think three or four years ago, and

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Speaker 20: obviously it's been a work in progress. So what we've

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Speaker 20: done is we've released the super what we call the

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Speaker 20: super Reno Guide as well. So it's a it's a

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Speaker 20: live document. It's always going to be changing, it's're always

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Speaker 20: going to be adding new techniques, new products to it.

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Speaker 20: So what it is it's based for the consumer at

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Speaker 20: a consumer level. So it's got things like the different

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Speaker 20: eras of housing that we have, you know, bungalows, contemporary,

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Speaker 20: all that sort of stuff, and it goes through most

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Speaker 20: of the problems that they have when renovating these houses

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Speaker 20: is the fact they all have the same similary substructure.

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Speaker 20: They just have different cluttings or differently different designs. So

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Speaker 20: most of the time they have the same problem. So

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Speaker 20: we just go through different ways of fixing those problems

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Speaker 20: using the right products and things like that. So it's

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Speaker 20: and it's also got embedded through it links to the

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Speaker 20: more technical data if people are interested in that as well.

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Speaker 6: Look, when is it going to be released? I haven't

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Speaker 6: had a chance to look at it yet. When's it out?

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Speaker 20: Well, I actually it was released yesterday. That was part

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Speaker 20: of the tours we had yesterday was to obviously to

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Speaker 20: have the midbuild open Home for these these developments, but

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Speaker 20: also to release the super Home Design Guide. So it's

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Speaker 20: live on the super Home website right now and you

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Speaker 20: can go in there and just follow the links on

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Speaker 20: the on the front page and you'll be able to

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Speaker 20: follow follow through, which I.

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Speaker 6: Think is just such a tremendously valuable resource for people.

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Speaker 6: So if you're in that situation, let's say you've got

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Speaker 6: a well, you know, maybe you've got next Staatey right

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Speaker 6: from the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, and you go, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'd like to make this a little bit more energy efficient.

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Speaker 6: I want it to be more comfortable. Where do I start?

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Speaker 6: So it's going to guide you through insalation, air tightness,

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Speaker 6: maybe some ventilation systems, that sort of thing, particularly tailored

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Speaker 6: to that style of house.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, And the good thing about it is too, is

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Speaker 20: that it's got links to obviously people and experts in

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Speaker 20: particularly areas like ventilation windows, all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 20: So it's great. The thing about it when you're renovating

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Speaker 20: a house that you've probably covered as many times in

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01:19:43,295 --> 01:19:44,455
Speaker 20: your show is you know, you don't have to do

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Speaker 20: everything all at once. It can be a systematic room

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Speaker 20: by room project, where as you can afford it, you

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Speaker 20: do one room at a time. We just finished eight

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Speaker 20: months ago a job where we've done basically half a house.

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Speaker 20: We've stripped it right back. I think of it like

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Speaker 20: a nineteen sixties red brick house with renew stards, pitched roof.

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Speaker 20: We stripped it right back from the inside back to

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Speaker 20: beer framing. There was three bedrooms of bathroom I think,

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Speaker 20: and we stripped it back, installed a vapor sorry a

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Speaker 20: weather tight barrier just to protect ventilation from the inside

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Speaker 20: because we didn't change the cladding, changed the windows to

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Speaker 20: PVC windows and insulated it. Then used plywood for two

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Speaker 20: reasons to generally know to have structure as well as

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Speaker 20: an air tight layer on the walls and then an

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Speaker 20: air tight layer on the ceilings. Of ventilation system. So

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Speaker 20: we did a prelim blower door test on that particular

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Speaker 20: side of the house and it was seventeen air changes

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Speaker 20: per hour if you're familiar with If people are familiar

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Speaker 20: with that, that's quite high. There's standard air changes for

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Speaker 20: new construction in New Zealand, even new builders sits around

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Speaker 20: between four and seven ear changes per hour. So every

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Speaker 20: time you lose the volume.

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Speaker 11: Of house and.

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Speaker 20: Through air leaks is that's the energy that you're creating

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01:20:56,415 --> 01:20:57,935
Speaker 20: to heat your house is going out with it. So

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Speaker 20: that's why it costs so much to heat.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's I mean, that's I just think that having

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Speaker 6: a And the other thing that I think is really

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Speaker 6: cool about the guide is that it's made by people

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Speaker 6: who are getting their hands dirty doing this stuff. Right. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 6: So check it out online. Just have a search for

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Speaker 6: super Reno or the super Home Guide. You'll find all

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Speaker 6: that information there. Dan, really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 6: It's it's fabulous. Would have loved to have been there,

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Speaker 6: but I'm in christ Church next year, so we'll have

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Speaker 6: a look. My pleasure all the rest of you. Dan

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Speaker 6: take care. So check it out, folks, And if you're

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Speaker 6: in christ Church, you know the tours do come around

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Speaker 6: fairly regularly, so keep an eye on that. But if

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Speaker 6: you're about to do some renovations and you want to

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Speaker 6: know about better performance, maybe having a house that's just

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Speaker 6: going to be more comfortable, then check out the super

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Speaker 6: Reno and the super home movement. You'll find some great

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Speaker 6: nation there. Now coming up after the news, one of

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Speaker 6: the big stories this year in terms of building legislation,

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Speaker 6: is an announcement by the government that they will require

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Speaker 6: in the future a ten year home warranty scheme. What

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Speaker 6: does it look like. Well, inevitably, when things don't go well,

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Speaker 6: it's the lawyers that get involved. So let's talk to

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Speaker 6: barrister and solistor Michael Thornton after the News at eight

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Speaker 6: o'clock his thoughts on the new warranty scheme.

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Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right the resident

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Speaker 1: builder with Peter Wolfcat calls.

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Speaker 6: In the last couple of days, the government have announced

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Speaker 6: further changes to the Building Act. This one involves mandatory

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Speaker 6: home warranties. I've listened to the minister talk about it.

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01:22:57,095 --> 01:23:02,775
Speaker 6: I've seen some comment from the sector. Everybody's got an opinion. Inevitably,

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Speaker 6: if there's a dispute, you're going to end up talking

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Speaker 6: to your lawyer. So let's do exactly that. Mike Thornton,

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01:23:08,375 --> 01:23:10,535
Speaker 6: friend of the show, has been with us on this

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Speaker 6: program a couple of times. Very good morning, Thank you

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01:23:13,095 --> 01:23:13,855
Speaker 6: very much for your.

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01:23:13,695 --> 01:23:16,855
Speaker 7: Time, No problem, Peter, glad to be here.

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Speaker 6: So Mike, it's basically where this I think started, is

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01:23:22,055 --> 01:23:23,975
Speaker 6: that the government announced a little while ago that they

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Speaker 6: were going to change from joined in several liability in

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01:23:28,895 --> 01:23:33,535
Speaker 6: terms of building disputes through to proportional liability. So where

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Speaker 6: council was often last man standing and would pay out

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01:23:36,575 --> 01:23:39,095
Speaker 6: the entire claim, that's not going to be the case.

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Speaker 6: So there's going to be a gap. How do we

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Speaker 6: plug that gap? Well, let's introduce mandatory home warranties. Is

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Speaker 6: that too simplistic?

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01:23:47,535 --> 01:23:52,215
Speaker 7: No, that's exactly right, Peter. What happens now and will

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01:23:52,255 --> 01:23:56,135
Speaker 7: be changed in twenty twenty seven, I think, is that

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01:23:57,415 --> 01:23:59,695
Speaker 7: where you have a number of parties that are liable

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01:23:59,695 --> 01:24:03,655
Speaker 7: for the same damage ie council, a builder, and architect,

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01:24:05,095 --> 01:24:06,695
Speaker 7: and they're liable for the full of out of the

1499
01:24:06,735 --> 01:24:10,855
Speaker 7: same damage. Where one party can't contribute its share of

1500
01:24:12,375 --> 01:24:15,535
Speaker 7: that damage to a settlement or to a judgment. If

1501
01:24:15,535 --> 01:24:19,815
Speaker 7: the matter goes to court, the other party is also

1502
01:24:19,935 --> 01:24:22,415
Speaker 7: liable for that damage and can be required to pay.

1503
01:24:23,135 --> 01:24:26,575
Speaker 7: And the anecdotal viewer is that is most likely to

1504
01:24:26,615 --> 01:24:30,215
Speaker 7: be counseled because they have no councils, have no solvency issues.

1505
01:24:30,815 --> 01:24:34,695
Speaker 7: So that's changing to a system called proportionate liability, where

1506
01:24:34,695 --> 01:24:39,695
Speaker 7: it says in a scenario where a court determines who

1507
01:24:39,775 --> 01:24:42,855
Speaker 7: is liable. It will determine the amounts of each liability,

1508
01:24:42,855 --> 01:24:46,455
Speaker 7: and each party only has a liability to pay their

1509
01:24:46,535 --> 01:24:50,175
Speaker 7: share of that amount. So in the classic scenario of

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01:24:50,415 --> 01:24:54,055
Speaker 7: a builder being liable for all of the damage to

1511
01:24:54,055 --> 01:24:57,055
Speaker 7: a house and the council being liable for it, that

1512
01:24:57,255 --> 01:25:01,855
Speaker 7: the share is being determined eighty percent builder, twenty percent council.

1513
01:25:02,255 --> 01:25:03,895
Speaker 7: So will you have other parties in the mix that

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01:25:03,935 --> 01:25:07,735
Speaker 7: can vary in that, But that that would mean where

1515
01:25:07,815 --> 01:25:13,015
Speaker 7: your builder is insolvent, you as the homeowner and only

1516
01:25:13,095 --> 01:25:16,495
Speaker 7: recover the twenty percent from the council, and you would

1517
01:25:16,535 --> 01:25:19,455
Speaker 7: have to be the shortfall of eighty percent because your

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01:25:19,455 --> 01:25:20,375
Speaker 7: builder is insolvent.

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01:25:21,255 --> 01:25:24,495
Speaker 6: Right, And I guess in a perfect world you'd say,

1520
01:25:24,495 --> 01:25:27,375
Speaker 6: if there's a defect with a building, you'd bring your

1521
01:25:27,375 --> 01:25:29,335
Speaker 6: builder and the builder would come round and sort it out,

1522
01:25:29,455 --> 01:25:31,095
Speaker 6: or the plumber would turn up with a sparky, or

1523
01:25:31,095 --> 01:25:34,135
Speaker 6: whichever trade was involved. Now, obviously we don't live in

1524
01:25:34,135 --> 01:25:38,135
Speaker 6: a perfect world. So the proposal seems to say that

1525
01:25:38,415 --> 01:25:42,775
Speaker 6: every new build and every renovation over one hundred thousand

1526
01:25:42,775 --> 01:25:46,095
Speaker 6: dollars is going to be you must have a mandatory

1527
01:25:46,215 --> 01:25:50,695
Speaker 6: home warranty attached to it at this stage. From my

1528
01:25:51,015 --> 01:25:53,535
Speaker 6: point of view, what I know is that new Zeale

1529
01:25:53,575 --> 01:25:58,455
Speaker 6: Certified Builders Master Builders Association, they offer to their members

1530
01:25:59,655 --> 01:26:03,055
Speaker 6: a warranty scheme, and there is one other insurer in

1531
01:26:03,135 --> 01:26:07,055
Speaker 6: the market that also offers home warranty schemes. But it

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01:26:07,095 --> 01:26:09,015
Speaker 6: doesn't feel like that's enough.

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01:26:11,095 --> 01:26:14,335
Speaker 7: Well there are. It's a suite of measures that the

1534
01:26:14,375 --> 01:26:18,775
Speaker 7: Minister has said, we'll deal with the whole issue of

1535
01:26:20,455 --> 01:26:26,495
Speaker 7: the construction industry being too contents, being too slow, and

1536
01:26:26,535 --> 01:26:29,335
Speaker 7: will generate more activity in the market. So let's just

1537
01:26:29,575 --> 01:26:32,175
Speaker 7: isolate what the three of them are, because I'll come

1538
01:26:32,215 --> 01:26:34,775
Speaker 7: to the warranty one because I think that's the most

1539
01:26:34,855 --> 01:26:37,895
Speaker 7: important one. The first one is all designed professionals will

1540
01:26:37,935 --> 01:26:41,175
Speaker 7: need professional demnity insurance. Not much of a change because

1541
01:26:41,695 --> 01:26:47,655
Speaker 7: of them. Anyway, ramping up the fines for offenses against

1542
01:26:49,135 --> 01:26:54,015
Speaker 7: against negligent builders into the LBP from ten to twenty

1543
01:26:54,015 --> 01:26:59,295
Speaker 7: thousand a great thing. It will probably drive out the

1544
01:26:59,295 --> 01:27:02,375
Speaker 7: more negligent builders. And the third thing is, well, look,

1545
01:27:02,375 --> 01:27:06,535
Speaker 7: if you've got the shortfall that I just described as

1546
01:27:06,615 --> 01:27:09,575
Speaker 7: the homeowner, how is the what are the consumer protection

1547
01:27:09,615 --> 01:27:13,735
Speaker 7: measures in place for the homeowner? Now? What's been released

1548
01:27:13,895 --> 01:27:17,135
Speaker 7: by and described by the Minister with the assistance of

1549
01:27:18,575 --> 01:27:21,855
Speaker 7: Malcolm Fleming from CBA is there's going to be a

1550
01:27:21,895 --> 01:27:28,015
Speaker 7: mandatory home warranty requirement and that's for any construction over

1551
01:27:28,935 --> 01:27:31,735
Speaker 7: or alterations over one hundred thousand dollars or more. Now

1552
01:27:31,775 --> 01:27:35,255
Speaker 7: you've correctly identified. At the moment there's only three providers. Now.

1553
01:27:35,335 --> 01:27:38,775
Speaker 7: Two of them are what I'm going to call building

1554
01:27:38,815 --> 01:27:44,975
Speaker 7: associations that offer guarantees to homeowners who enter into a

1555
01:27:45,015 --> 01:27:47,855
Speaker 7: contract to have their home built by a member of

1556
01:27:47,855 --> 01:27:51,495
Speaker 7: their association. Ye. Now, there are various issues around how

1557
01:27:51,535 --> 01:27:56,375
Speaker 7: that all works, and essentially you can't get that guarantee

1558
01:27:56,415 --> 01:27:59,495
Speaker 7: unless you've signed a contract with a member of that association.

1559
01:27:59,695 --> 01:28:01,735
Speaker 7: So one issue is, well, if it's going to be

1560
01:28:01,735 --> 01:28:05,975
Speaker 7: a mandatory home warranty, does that mean that all builders

1561
01:28:05,975 --> 01:28:08,135
Speaker 7: are going to have to be members of these associations

1562
01:28:08,215 --> 01:28:11,535
Speaker 7: or will there be another provider? Now the other provider

1563
01:28:12,015 --> 01:28:15,495
Speaker 7: out there at the moment is Stamford. They provide a

1564
01:28:15,495 --> 01:28:20,335
Speaker 7: building warranty product. They don't it's not tied to a

1565
01:28:20,375 --> 01:28:22,735
Speaker 7: building contract. They would probably want to see the contract,

1566
01:28:22,735 --> 01:28:25,855
Speaker 7: but it's not tied to a contracts in the same

1567
01:28:25,895 --> 01:28:32,655
Speaker 7: way as the Master Build and CP Association guarantees are,

1568
01:28:34,335 --> 01:28:37,135
Speaker 7: but I think there was last time I came on

1569
01:28:37,175 --> 01:28:39,255
Speaker 7: the show, there was a recent there was a comment

1570
01:28:39,335 --> 01:28:42,895
Speaker 7: by the head of Stamford saying, we're not really interested

1571
01:28:42,935 --> 01:28:47,015
Speaker 7: in underwriting negligent builders because we've got the builders that

1572
01:28:47,055 --> 01:28:49,135
Speaker 7: we want to cover, and we know they're going to

1573
01:28:49,135 --> 01:28:51,175
Speaker 7: do a good job, and we know our assessment of

1574
01:28:51,255 --> 01:28:53,815
Speaker 7: the risk. We're not really interested in stepping up to

1575
01:28:53,895 --> 01:28:57,215
Speaker 7: ensure these guys. So he's a really big question around

1576
01:28:58,055 --> 01:29:00,935
Speaker 7: This is essentially going to need to be an insurance

1577
01:29:00,975 --> 01:29:07,455
Speaker 7: backed product because what has been announced is that providers

1578
01:29:07,455 --> 01:29:11,335
Speaker 7: of the home warranties will need to demonstrate that they

1579
01:29:11,415 --> 01:29:15,175
Speaker 7: can effectively be insurers in my assessment of it, because

1580
01:29:15,975 --> 01:29:19,135
Speaker 7: the technical description is that they can meet actuarial and

1581
01:29:19,175 --> 01:29:22,815
Speaker 7: operational requirements and stand by claims for a ten year

1582
01:29:22,895 --> 01:29:26,695
Speaker 7: period verified through an independent audit, and that essentially means

1583
01:29:27,415 --> 01:29:30,655
Speaker 7: credential requirements similar to that of an insurer. Have you

1584
01:29:30,735 --> 01:29:33,615
Speaker 7: got the money to pay out a claim in year ten?

1585
01:29:34,255 --> 01:29:39,055
Speaker 7: Right now at the moment, we just simply don't know

1586
01:29:39,175 --> 01:29:44,895
Speaker 7: whether those associations have the capacity to underwrite that level

1587
01:29:44,895 --> 01:29:49,695
Speaker 7: of insurance because they aren't required because they're not insurers.

1588
01:29:49,735 --> 01:29:54,695
Speaker 7: They aren't required to publish any information about their financial position,

1589
01:29:55,815 --> 01:30:00,175
Speaker 7: claims paying ability. You know, there's ratings for all insurers

1590
01:30:00,255 --> 01:30:03,375
Speaker 7: in terms of, you know, how well they are rated

1591
01:30:03,415 --> 01:30:05,695
Speaker 7: in terms of how they pay. None of that applies

1592
01:30:05,735 --> 01:30:10,095
Speaker 7: to these guys because they're not actually insurers. Is that

1593
01:30:10,455 --> 01:30:13,175
Speaker 7: is that going to mean that they're going to become insurers?

1594
01:30:13,215 --> 01:30:17,775
Speaker 7: And if so, do they offer that insurance that warranty

1595
01:30:17,935 --> 01:30:21,335
Speaker 7: to the market is it or is it or is

1596
01:30:21,375 --> 01:30:26,255
Speaker 7: it linked to only two members of their association and

1597
01:30:26,295 --> 01:30:29,255
Speaker 7: homeowners who sign a contract with members of their association.

1598
01:30:29,575 --> 01:30:35,415
Speaker 7: That's the first point. There's also issues around level of

1599
01:30:35,495 --> 01:30:39,455
Speaker 7: cover and how and how and how the policies work because,

1600
01:30:40,055 --> 01:30:44,055
Speaker 7: for example, as it's been alluded to and the information

1601
01:30:44,215 --> 01:30:48,095
Speaker 7: provided by the by the Minister, there's three types of cover.

1602
01:30:48,135 --> 01:30:50,815
Speaker 7: There's your loss deposit. That's if you pay some money

1603
01:30:50,815 --> 01:30:53,215
Speaker 7: to a builder any buggers off with excuse my French,

1604
01:30:54,335 --> 01:30:57,615
Speaker 7: that's that's that's pretty straightforward. There's non completion, so that's

1605
01:30:57,655 --> 01:31:01,495
Speaker 7: defects during construction, and there's everything that happens after the bill.

1606
01:31:01,575 --> 01:31:06,895
Speaker 7: So that's your ten year, that's your ten years. Well,

1607
01:31:07,255 --> 01:31:12,375
Speaker 7: the noncompletion issue is sometimes the hardest because where you

1608
01:31:12,415 --> 01:31:15,415
Speaker 7: get into a scenario where your builder has created defects

1609
01:31:15,495 --> 01:31:19,935
Speaker 7: during construction. The current situation, certainly with the master Bill guarantee,

1610
01:31:19,935 --> 01:31:23,335
Speaker 7: is you have to exhaust all your legal rights to

1611
01:31:23,415 --> 01:31:25,855
Speaker 7: get the builder to come and to fix the defex Now,

1612
01:31:26,615 --> 01:31:28,295
Speaker 7: that can be a problem, and it can be an

1613
01:31:28,335 --> 01:31:32,695
Speaker 7: expensive problem. Effectively, you might need to engage a lawyer.

1614
01:31:32,695 --> 01:31:35,975
Speaker 7: And I've been involved in very difficult and protected disputes

1615
01:31:36,015 --> 01:31:39,455
Speaker 7: that have brought work to an end while we attempted

1616
01:31:39,495 --> 01:31:42,695
Speaker 7: to negotiate with a builder are returned to site to

1617
01:31:42,735 --> 01:31:45,935
Speaker 7: complete deficts. Now where there are arguments about where the

1618
01:31:45,975 --> 01:31:50,455
Speaker 7: defects are, access store the builder's own money, that can

1619
01:31:50,495 --> 01:31:56,055
Speaker 7: take a long time, and effectively the guarantee doesn't pay

1620
01:31:56,055 --> 01:31:59,255
Speaker 7: out unless your builder can't do the work or ie

1621
01:31:59,495 --> 01:32:04,015
Speaker 7: is insolvent, and then the guarantee will pay. So what

1622
01:32:04,175 --> 01:32:06,615
Speaker 7: happens in the scenario where there are there are other

1623
01:32:06,695 --> 01:32:09,255
Speaker 7: parties that might also be liable for the work, such

1624
01:32:09,295 --> 01:32:13,615
Speaker 7: as the designers who now have professed indemnity insurance. How

1625
01:32:14,535 --> 01:32:17,495
Speaker 7: in the scenario that we are working presently, if all

1626
01:32:17,535 --> 01:32:20,815
Speaker 7: of those parties, if a homemowner brings a claim against

1627
01:32:20,815 --> 01:32:24,815
Speaker 7: all of those parties, typically at some point in time,

1628
01:32:24,895 --> 01:32:28,455
Speaker 7: everyone sits down and negotiates a settlement based on their

1629
01:32:28,495 --> 01:32:33,655
Speaker 7: assessment of liability. Well, in this warranty scenario, will it

1630
01:32:33,735 --> 01:32:36,855
Speaker 7: mean that the homeowner will get a full in what

1631
01:32:36,935 --> 01:32:41,095
Speaker 7: we call an indemnity, a payment for the defects from

1632
01:32:41,375 --> 01:32:44,455
Speaker 7: the warranty provider, or will other parties have to contribute?

1633
01:32:44,455 --> 01:32:48,415
Speaker 7: And if so, how will that actually happen? Because most

1634
01:32:48,415 --> 01:32:53,375
Speaker 7: insurers don't like seeing other parties not pay their fair share.

1635
01:32:53,775 --> 01:32:59,215
Speaker 7: In fact, that presumably is the entire reason behind proportionate liability.

1636
01:32:59,255 --> 01:33:01,775
Speaker 7: It is you should be paying the amount that you

1637
01:33:01,855 --> 01:33:05,335
Speaker 7: are liable for. It shouldn't be falling on other other

1638
01:33:05,455 --> 01:33:08,855
Speaker 7: parties who who aren't who are jointly liable for it,

1639
01:33:09,015 --> 01:33:12,455
Speaker 7: but their share is their share of the actual liability

1640
01:33:12,575 --> 01:33:16,855
Speaker 7: is much less. Soon we've got those issues, But I

1641
01:33:16,895 --> 01:33:20,935
Speaker 7: guess the biggest issue is this is an insurance product

1642
01:33:21,335 --> 01:33:26,535
Speaker 7: and at the moment we're being told by the association

1643
01:33:28,215 --> 01:33:33,975
Speaker 7: players that they can scale up, but there's no idea

1644
01:33:34,015 --> 01:33:36,095
Speaker 7: at this stage of what that's going to look like.

1645
01:33:36,495 --> 01:33:40,575
Speaker 7: So it's very very uncertain. It might it might work,

1646
01:33:40,775 --> 01:33:43,655
Speaker 7: and if it drives building standards and gets rid of

1647
01:33:44,175 --> 01:33:48,375
Speaker 7: what the Minister calls cowboys. We're all for it. I'll

1648
01:33:48,375 --> 01:33:49,775
Speaker 7: be out of a job, but that'll be a great

1649
01:33:49,855 --> 01:33:54,255
Speaker 7: thing because you won't all the defects will be getting fixed.

1650
01:33:55,135 --> 01:33:57,295
Speaker 7: I don't think I will, because in the scenario that

1651
01:33:57,335 --> 01:34:01,135
Speaker 7: I've just described, there's likely to still be people needing

1652
01:34:01,175 --> 01:34:04,855
Speaker 7: advice around these issues. But that would be a good thing, right,

1653
01:34:04,935 --> 01:34:07,615
Speaker 7: we would drive standards, and that's the whole point of this.

1654
01:34:07,775 --> 01:34:11,535
Speaker 7: But at the moment, until we get more guidance around

1655
01:34:11,655 --> 01:34:16,175
Speaker 7: how that warranty scheme is going to work, it's really

1656
01:34:16,215 --> 01:34:19,295
Speaker 7: difficult to make an assessment of whether it might work.

1657
01:34:20,775 --> 01:34:23,095
Speaker 7: And I guess the other thing. The other thing to

1658
01:34:23,135 --> 01:34:26,215
Speaker 7: mention is that there's there might well, and I know

1659
01:34:26,295 --> 01:34:29,415
Speaker 7: this government will probably not want to be involved in

1660
01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:33,335
Speaker 7: any way and underwriting it itself. That has happened in

1661
01:34:33,415 --> 01:34:39,175
Speaker 7: overseas jurisdictions when private private insurers have failed. So it's

1662
01:34:39,215 --> 01:34:42,895
Speaker 7: all it's all very very uncertain, and some of what's

1663
01:34:42,935 --> 01:34:47,335
Speaker 7: being offered as a solution has a number of issues

1664
01:34:47,375 --> 01:34:50,095
Speaker 7: that need to be questioned and I guess ironed out

1665
01:34:50,175 --> 01:34:53,215
Speaker 7: before it's the full scheme is announced.

1666
01:34:53,655 --> 01:34:56,535
Speaker 6: We can see sort of the general direction, but you're right,

1667
01:34:56,615 --> 01:35:02,015
Speaker 6: the details, it's not terribly transparent. I mean, I do

1668
01:35:02,095 --> 01:35:05,695
Speaker 6: wonder whether we might end with us is that. I

1669
01:35:05,735 --> 01:35:08,255
Speaker 6: agree with you. I think what we need is better standards, right,

1670
01:35:08,575 --> 01:35:10,575
Speaker 6: and I guess there's a couple of different ways of

1671
01:35:10,615 --> 01:35:13,535
Speaker 6: achieving that. And you can imagine a scenario, let's say

1672
01:35:13,535 --> 01:35:16,415
Speaker 6: in five years time, where all of the new builds

1673
01:35:16,495 --> 01:35:19,375
Speaker 6: require an insurance all work over one hundred thousand dollars,

1674
01:35:19,415 --> 01:35:22,815
Speaker 6: and that's not a particularly big renovation these days also

1675
01:35:22,935 --> 01:35:26,855
Speaker 6: will require this mandatory home warranty. There will be a

1676
01:35:26,895 --> 01:35:30,015
Speaker 6: certain group of builders who just won't be able to

1677
01:35:30,055 --> 01:35:34,215
Speaker 6: get that right their reputation as such, or their track

1678
01:35:34,255 --> 01:35:37,615
Speaker 6: record with counsel, or they've had a claim and an

1679
01:35:37,655 --> 01:35:41,535
Speaker 6: insurer won't reinsure them for further work and they'll be

1680
01:35:41,655 --> 01:35:44,815
Speaker 6: driven out. And you could argue, well, that's not a

1681
01:35:44,855 --> 01:35:47,735
Speaker 6: bad thing, and I wonder whether this is part of

1682
01:35:47,815 --> 01:35:49,775
Speaker 6: what this legislation is designed to do.

1683
01:35:50,735 --> 01:35:52,535
Speaker 7: I completely agree, and I think there will be an

1684
01:35:52,535 --> 01:35:57,215
Speaker 7: excellent thing. And if that's if that's what this this

1685
01:35:57,455 --> 01:36:01,495
Speaker 7: scheme of changes produces, that would be an excellent outcome,

1686
01:36:01,935 --> 01:36:08,015
Speaker 7: and I fully support the intention behind it. Yes, we're

1687
01:36:08,015 --> 01:36:11,775
Speaker 7: always I think in this country was sometimes led by

1688
01:36:11,815 --> 01:36:15,775
Speaker 7: what's happening overseas, most notably over the ditch, and there

1689
01:36:15,775 --> 01:36:18,175
Speaker 7: have been a number of ways that they've gone about it,

1690
01:36:18,335 --> 01:36:21,215
Speaker 7: and they've had For example, I think some states have

1691
01:36:21,255 --> 01:36:23,975
Speaker 7: compulsory build a liability insurance and other schemes have the

1692
01:36:24,055 --> 01:36:27,375
Speaker 7: home warranty schemes and governments back some of it back.

1693
01:36:28,495 --> 01:36:31,495
Speaker 7: It all can work, I guess, but until we see detail,

1694
01:36:32,415 --> 01:36:36,615
Speaker 7: we don't know. And will it drive standards? We hope so,

1695
01:36:36,855 --> 01:36:40,895
Speaker 7: because then homeowners we get houses built that that didn't

1696
01:36:40,935 --> 01:36:43,335
Speaker 7: have problems, which was as an excellent thing.

1697
01:36:43,655 --> 01:36:45,575
Speaker 6: That would be an excellent thing. I think what we'll

1698
01:36:45,575 --> 01:36:48,095
Speaker 6: do is once a little bit more detail comes out,

1699
01:36:48,375 --> 01:36:50,455
Speaker 6: we'll get you back on the show. I really appreciate

1700
01:36:50,495 --> 01:36:55,055
Speaker 6: your time as always. Michael Thornton, barrister and solicitor. You

1701
01:36:55,095 --> 01:36:57,455
Speaker 6: can find them on the web as well. Much appreciated Michael,

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Speaker 6: take care.

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Speaker 7: No problem, Pete, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: All the best news talks there'd be measured wise God

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Speaker 2: News Talk said B.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, News Talks hed B. Just before the break, we

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01:38:29,775 --> 01:38:32,295
Speaker 6: had a chat with Mike Thornton, who is a barrister

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01:38:32,375 --> 01:38:35,015
Speaker 6: and solicitor does a lot of work in the whole

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01:38:35,015 --> 01:38:40,535
Speaker 6: building spirits, building defects, side of things. So a bunch

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01:38:40,535 --> 01:38:42,855
Speaker 6: of techts that have come in. I think it's something

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01:38:42,855 --> 01:38:45,575
Speaker 6: that will probably talk about maybe next week on the show,

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01:38:45,695 --> 01:38:48,975
Speaker 6: certainly in weeks to come. Here's a sample of what

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01:38:49,015 --> 01:38:51,415
Speaker 6: people are saying as a response to the conversation I

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Speaker 6: had with Mike. Will this stop a builder declaring bankruptcy

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01:38:55,455 --> 01:38:59,255
Speaker 6: and just starting up another country, another company the following week.

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Speaker 6: It's a very good question, Pete. I wish the new

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01:39:01,855 --> 01:39:06,615
Speaker 6: legislation about negligent builders architects was around when I had

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01:39:06,655 --> 01:39:11,295
Speaker 6: three leaky properties, all purchased off the plans. Never do that.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Kathy for that one, Pete. Is this a

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01:39:14,175 --> 01:39:16,735
Speaker 6: cop out for the government who make the rules? Everything

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01:39:16,895 --> 01:39:21,175
Speaker 6: gets built by chairs from Bob morning Peak Master bill

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01:39:21,215 --> 01:39:23,575
Speaker 6: to guarantee is not insurance, as your man has said,

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01:39:23,615 --> 01:39:26,615
Speaker 6: it will still require legal action. Getting an insurance policy

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01:39:26,655 --> 01:39:30,535
Speaker 6: to cover what will be required is nine impossible and

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01:39:30,735 --> 01:39:33,575
Speaker 6: very expensive. So again, the only person who pays will

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01:39:33,575 --> 01:39:36,295
Speaker 6: be the homeowner. At any one stage, I could pay

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01:39:36,335 --> 01:39:39,935
Speaker 6: a premium on insurance policy and maybe two hundred houses

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01:39:40,055 --> 01:39:43,015
Speaker 6: in a rolling ten years. This is not going to

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01:39:43,055 --> 01:39:47,215
Speaker 6: be an easy fix. No, it's not. The whole change

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01:39:47,295 --> 01:39:50,255
Speaker 6: is a joke. The council has to be the last

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01:39:50,295 --> 01:39:54,055
Speaker 6: stop and do a bigger and better job inspecting, or

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01:39:54,055 --> 01:39:56,055
Speaker 6: the market will have no builders to work as the

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01:39:56,135 --> 01:39:59,255
Speaker 6: risk will be too high to bother says Sean. I'm

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01:39:59,255 --> 01:40:02,055
Speaker 6: not criticizing, but do you do realize you've just driven

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01:40:02,135 --> 01:40:05,935
Speaker 6: building costs up twenty to thirty percent. Well, I don't

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01:40:05,935 --> 01:40:09,975
Speaker 6: think that I've particularly done that, but you know, one

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01:40:10,015 --> 01:40:13,695
Speaker 6: of the common criticisms is, let's introduce the warranty scheme,

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01:40:13,775 --> 01:40:18,575
Speaker 6: let's introduce the insurance and let's not expect that that's

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01:40:18,615 --> 01:40:21,015
Speaker 6: going to add to the cost of building, because it

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01:40:21,055 --> 01:40:23,735
Speaker 6: will inevitably someone's going to be paying for it, and

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01:40:23,855 --> 01:40:26,535
Speaker 6: chances are it's going to be the homeowner. Anyway, it

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01:40:26,655 --> 01:40:30,095
Speaker 6: is a topic that we will discuss probably again in

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01:40:30,135 --> 01:40:33,655
Speaker 6: the near future, because this is legislation that's on its way.

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Speaker 6: It is a seismic shift in the way in which we,

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01:40:40,695 --> 01:40:46,495
Speaker 6: I suppose, seek redress for defects in our buildings. If

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01:40:46,495 --> 01:40:49,535
Speaker 6: you recall, she would have been about two almost three

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01:40:49,575 --> 01:40:53,135
Speaker 6: years ago. Actually, we had a guest on the show,

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01:40:53,215 --> 01:40:56,895
Speaker 6: class Leon, who is a lawyer also a barrister and

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01:40:56,935 --> 01:41:01,935
Speaker 6: solicitor working in Sweden. I've known him for twenty years.

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01:41:02,615 --> 01:41:05,455
Speaker 6: This is a field that he works in quite a

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01:41:05,495 --> 01:41:09,055
Speaker 6: lot because the European model, or the Swedish model, is

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01:41:09,095 --> 01:41:14,455
Speaker 6: that every single contractor is insured and so these implied

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01:41:14,495 --> 01:41:19,615
Speaker 6: warranties are part of every build. Council have a very

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01:41:19,695 --> 01:41:23,375
Speaker 6: much a backs seat role in terms of looking after

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01:41:23,655 --> 01:41:27,175
Speaker 6: buildings and ensuring that if there are any defects, it

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01:41:27,215 --> 01:41:32,015
Speaker 6: gets fixed. So here where council's inevitably last man standing

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01:41:32,015 --> 01:41:34,335
Speaker 6: for one of a better phrase. That's not the case

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01:41:35,295 --> 01:41:38,735
Speaker 6: in Sweden. As it happens at dinner with him just

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01:41:38,775 --> 01:41:42,255
Speaker 6: the other night, talking about updates, talking about things that

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01:41:42,295 --> 01:41:44,655
Speaker 6: we had discussed a couple of years ago about how

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01:41:44,655 --> 01:41:47,215
Speaker 6: they do things in Sweden seems to be how we

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01:41:47,255 --> 01:41:49,455
Speaker 6: are going to be starting to do things in New

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01:41:49,535 --> 01:41:53,215
Speaker 6: Zealand in the future. But in walking with him today

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01:41:53,255 --> 01:41:54,615
Speaker 6: we were having a bit of a chat about that.

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01:41:56,735 --> 01:41:58,895
Speaker 6: I said, well, how many insurers? He said, well, every

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01:41:58,935 --> 01:42:03,015
Speaker 6: single insurer will offer a warranty scheme for a new build,

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01:42:03,135 --> 01:42:06,055
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, well, in New Zealand right now is

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01:42:06,295 --> 01:42:08,575
Speaker 6: one that I'm aware of and it's probably not going

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01:42:08,655 --> 01:42:11,255
Speaker 6: to be your insurance. So we've got some interesting stuff

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01:42:11,295 --> 01:42:13,975
Speaker 6: to talk about on this going forward. But right now,

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01:42:14,055 --> 01:42:17,335
Speaker 6: let's change gear. Let's get into the garden. Her red

1792
01:42:17,415 --> 01:42:20,535
Speaker 6: climb past is with us. Let's talk all things gardening

1793
01:42:20,535 --> 01:42:22,095
Speaker 6: and the wonderful world of bugs.

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Speaker 1: After the break doing up the house, storning the garden,

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01:42:25,855 --> 01:42:29,495
Speaker 1: asked Pete. For ahead the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp,

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