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Speaker 3: You're the good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition

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Speaker 3: of Weekend Sport for July twenty. Happy birthday to one

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Speaker 3: of our great Olympians, four time gold medal winning kayaker

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Speaker 3: Ian Ferguson celebrating today, Sir Edmund Hillary, also born on

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Speaker 3: this day in nineteen nineteen, and so to one of

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Speaker 3: our great motor racers, chriss Amont born July twenty, nineteen

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Speaker 3: forty three. I'm Jason Pine, Annie McDonald alongside. We're here

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Speaker 3: until three the showers come to your life. From Hamilton,

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Speaker 3: where last night the All Blacks completed a clean sweep

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Speaker 3: of France and their three test series that is full time.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've done it the hard way.

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Speaker 5: Tonight the All Blacks have had to come from behind,

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Speaker 5: but they keep the French scoreless in the second spel

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Speaker 5: and take a twenty nine to nineteen win. And they

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Speaker 5: whitewash the French to open season twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Assistant coach Scott Hansen standing by to chat with US

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Speaker 3: expert analyst and former All Blacks lock Steve Gordon after

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Speaker 3: won some postmatch interviews. To play for you as well,

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Speaker 3: but as always yours are the views. I'm rarely after

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Speaker 3: lines open a chat the All Blacks both Test three

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Speaker 3: and those three tests? What have we learned in the

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Speaker 3: month of July about Razors All Blacks of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: So rugby a big focus certainly for the first half

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Speaker 3: of the show. Other matters around today. Quite a bit

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Speaker 3: of career best pole vault for key we Olivia McTaggart.

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Speaker 3: She's cleared four meters seventy three to win the London

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Speaker 3: Diamond League event. She'll be with us on the show

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Speaker 3: after two o'clock. The twenty twenty five New Zealand National

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Speaker 3: Basketball League Final this afternoon Wellington Saints, Southland Sharks two

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Speaker 3: thirty in Wellington. Jordan Natzi with us out of the

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Speaker 3: Wellington Saints camp. The Phoenix yesterday beat Wrexham one nil

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Speaker 3: in their pre season football friendly in Wellington in front

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Speaker 3: of twenty five thousand plus interim assistant coach Chris Greenacre

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Speaker 3: on that and a team of eighty four representing New

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Speaker 3: Zealand at the World University Games right now in Germany.

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Speaker 3: Chef de Mission Evelyn Williamson gonna tell us more about that.

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Speaker 3: James mcconey, of course, as well, with his regular Sunday

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Speaker 3: Final tips off at two thirty. We'll keep an eye

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails. Weekend

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Speaker 3: The All Blacks have been in France twenty nine nineteen

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Speaker 3: in Hamilton to sweep the three Test series three nil.

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Speaker 3: Having trailed nineteen seventeen at the break, Duplessy, Kadefy and

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Speaker 3: Brody McAllister scored tries in the second half to secure

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Speaker 5: To refeedback for Jorny Barrett lighting through he has the

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Speaker 5: port running. McCallister on tabut slides over the line. All

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Speaker 3: The one Yeah, very cool moment for Brody McAllister, All

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Speaker 3: score on debut on his home patch. All Black's assistant coach,

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Speaker 3: Scott Hansen is with a Scott, thanks for taking the

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Speaker 3: time this afternoon. In general terms, first of all, how

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Speaker 6: This was the performance. Actually haven't watched it again where

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Speaker 6: there at times that probably isn't allow us to find

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Speaker 6: French did a really good job adapting the game differitely

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Speaker 6: defensively around it and we'll probably feel watching that game again,

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Speaker 6: I didn't quote recognize some opportunity that in front of

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Speaker 6: overall there's a lot that we can take out of

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Speaker 3: How big an adjustment is it for a player to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think preparation. We focus on preparation

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Speaker 6: that that put Christian Obs obviously onto the bench. Dupes

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Speaker 6: again was highlighted last night in the Need for It.

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Speaker 3: Adie Save had talked afterwards about being punched in the

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Speaker 6: Oh, we've got a chance to take them in the break. Interestly,

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Speaker 6: The messages from the leaders was maintained position and just

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Speaker 6: And again we showed a lot of composer. We found

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Speaker 3: See that you were held up over the triline A

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's it's desperate French defense. You know

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Speaker 6: Exactly that different body position, understanding where the space was,

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Speaker 6: It was an area of the game at last ten

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Speaker 6: good learnings there. I thought the way we trained during

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Speaker 3: Speaking of prep, France are very different down they particularly

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Speaker 6: A test, yep, yeah, that shows a lot of respects.

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Speaker 6: you've got to have that ability also to adjust and

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Speaker 6: adjust quickly. Last night the French played at first ten

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Speaker 6: But we felt also there was a lot of kick

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Speaker 3: Can you talk a bit about the influence of Jordi

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Speaker 6: Massive, It was a massive influence and coming on we

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a more natural triscorer than Will Jordan.

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Speaker 6: I've had the privilege like many you know, all black

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Speaker 6: our attack. He's getting better and better, I believe, and

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Speaker 6: going around his natural game. It's a real toughness about

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Speaker 3: Just a couple of forward looking questions to finish Scott,

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Speaker 3: how many positions in your best fifteen are still live conversations.

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Speaker 6: The all backs? There also be the competition we need

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Speaker 6: be massive. And we're very lucky at the moment around

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Speaker 6: building some quality debt And you look at Lowly who's

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Speaker 6: from one to fifteen at the moment, we feel we're

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Speaker 6: building some good depth. Yes we need to continue that.

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Speaker 6: Yes a lot of positions need some more tests to

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Speaker 6: continue that growth. But we're really happy with what we're

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Speaker 3: So what will the next month look like? As you

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Speaker 6: You know our next time will be over Argent Teenage

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Speaker 6: just says as coaching staff, what we do is we

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Speaker 6: connect and we prepare for that. We present information for

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number nine

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Speaker 9: Couple of points. My first point is, and it's only

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Speaker 9: And I watched the French quite closely. Some brilliant little

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Speaker 9: The advantage rule some some referees go way too long.

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Speaker 9: Surely the advantage rule is you're going forward and then

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Speaker 3: The advantage over one's are difficult to decipher sometimes, isn't

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Speaker 3: clearly because it's been so many phases afterwards, But Kerry,

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Speaker 3: thanks for kicking us off.

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Speaker 8: Mate.

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Speaker 10: Hello, Grunt, Yeah, Pony, Do we have an update on

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Speaker 3: We do have an update on Boden Barrett's hand injury, Grant.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. Now, these three tests for the France leaving the

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Speaker 3: from now, will be fit and available. Good to chat mate.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighteen Hello.

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Speaker 12: Carn Hey, finey here you going?

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Speaker 3: But good can good mate? Good to hear from you.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you too.

436
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Speaker 9: You know, I watched the game last night.

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Speaker 12: I kind of think it's it's it's funny that the

438
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Speaker 12: ill Weck's convincing. Three games.

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Speaker 13: It was.

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Speaker 12: Sweep of France and and people are saying that we're

441
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Speaker 12: not playing the game, like just yeah, we did it right,

442
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Speaker 12: didn't we?

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean you look at it.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Can't three weeks ago, if we've been chatting, you and

446
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Speaker 3: I and I said, okay, can we're going to win

447
00:23:52,747 --> 00:23:54,707
Speaker 3: this three nil? I mean a's a base level that's

448
00:23:54,707 --> 00:23:57,427
Speaker 3: still pretty good. Yes, there's deeper things to consider, but

449
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Speaker 3: that's I mean all they can do is whin test match?

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Speaker 8: Is right?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 12: Anything like the new players they whether they did really well.

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Speaker 12: The I think it's kind of funny that a lot

454
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Speaker 12: of some of France's the tactics were to we're to

455
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Speaker 12: focus on slowing down All Black ball or focus on

456
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Speaker 12: and it kind of feels like if teams are coming

457
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Speaker 12: into a game focused on doing stuff to our game,

458
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Speaker 12: they're not focusing on.

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Speaker 9: Their game as much.

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Speaker 12: Does it make any sense or yeah.

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Speaker 3: It does, it does. Yeah, I thought I thought Frans

462
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Speaker 3: did a great job of disrupting the All Blacks in

463
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Speaker 3: and around collision. You know, Ardie Savier talked last night

464
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Speaker 3: about there being lots of debris around the around the

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Speaker 3: breakdown collision area, which I guess means arms and legs

466
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Speaker 3: and sometimes legal sometimes not. But no, they they look

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Speaker 3: France knew that they that they were coming here underpowered.

468
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Speaker 3: But like I say, those guys, a lot of them

469
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Speaker 3: grew in that blue jersey and and you know, the

470
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Speaker 3: All Blacks had to work hard for two out of

471
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Speaker 3: those three wins. Really they played very well in Wellington,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, but they came out the other side, they

473
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Speaker 3: won three games. They're three and zero. And and on

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Speaker 3: we go.

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Speaker 8: I think I.

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Speaker 4: Think the.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I have to say, you said, well, Jordan

478
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Speaker 12: was the best finisher in the game. I mean, Christian

479
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Speaker 12: Callen dude, like, come on, yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I should have said currents. I should have said,

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Speaker 3: but no, I did ask god Henson. You're right, I

482
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Speaker 3: did ask him. Have you ever seen a better finisher? No,

483
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Speaker 3: you're right, you've called me out correctly. No, I's I mean,

484
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Speaker 3: Kelly what a player. But you look at the ratio

485
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Speaker 3: and Kelly's ratio was good too, but forty two tries

486
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Speaker 3: and forty four tests, I mean, it's ridiculous that his

487
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Speaker 3: conversion rate.

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Speaker 12: When when it's in play in this it's close to

489
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Speaker 12: the line and you see Jordan get it or on

490
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Speaker 12: the twenty two or whatever, you just you just think

491
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Speaker 12: he's going to score. He's like, it's like, oh, of course,

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Speaker 12: Jordan's school. Like I was, yeah, yeah, I really like

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Speaker 12: him being in the team.

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Speaker 3: Me too, me too, mate. Great to chat you, mate,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the time to call callback any time.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eight number twenty seven away

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Speaker 3: from one a spear line only just if you want

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Speaker 3: to jump aboard, but back with more of your calls.

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Speaker 1: After this the Voice of Sport on your Home of

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Speaker 5: Heavy right foots the box kick no one at own

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Speaker 5: for the French All Blacks after it, Well, Jordan, will

504
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Speaker 5: they get the bouts passing?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 5: Well, Jordan always gets the bounce and they All Blacks

507
00:26:32,227 --> 00:26:32,747
Speaker 5: hit back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he always gets the bounds, always scores a try

509
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Speaker 3: forty two and forty four games. The record, as you

510
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Speaker 3: probably know, is forty nine. Doug Hallett has held that

511
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Speaker 3: record for quite some time. Will Jordan closing in fast?

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Speaker 3: He's got a few to hoover up before it gets

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Speaker 3: to Doug Hallett, But the way he's going, that could

514
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Speaker 3: be this year. Pinety. Physically, the fully fit French, Irish

515
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Speaker 3: Box and RGI Fords are way bigger than the All Blacks.

516
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Speaker 3: Huge upcoming test matches against Argentina and South Africa. Thanks John, Yeah,

517
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Speaker 3: they are bigger, which is why I think they're trying

518
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Speaker 3: to get two por Vite into that six so they

519
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Speaker 3: can have another big body there.

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Speaker 2: I thought I'm a.

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Speaker 3: Penny fee now actually had a pretty good game last

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Speaker 3: night in the six jumper. I thought he was physical,

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Speaker 3: thought he carried well, thought he gave a pretty good

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Speaker 3: account of himself.

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Speaker 14: Hello, Mark, Hey, Yeah, lots of learnings there, lots.

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Speaker 3: Of lots of learnings, lots of lessons to learn, Mark, Yes.

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Speaker 14: No, they just called learnings. Now, I haven't you learned

528
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Speaker 14: the newla You are a top grade sports commentator, Pierre,

529
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Speaker 14: you're going to learn these new words?

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Speaker 3: Well? Indeed, indeed I do. I think I'll stick with

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Speaker 3: I'll stick with lessons, I think.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think I will too. Yeah, I noticed a

533
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Speaker 14: new question. You noticed how when Jordy came on, like

534
00:27:47,787 --> 00:27:50,227
Speaker 14: the whole game took on a different vibe. And yeah,

535
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Speaker 14: you know, you've got to admire his defensive ability. He's

536
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Speaker 14: one of the best defensive players. I think. You know

537
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Speaker 14: you're talking about Will Jordan, But defensively, I think Jordy

538
00:28:01,467 --> 00:28:03,747
Speaker 14: is one of the best defensive players I've ever seen.

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Speaker 14: You know, he is just so smart both on the

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Speaker 14: tack but and on defense. You know, the amount of

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Speaker 14: try as he says. I'm thinking back to the last

542
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Speaker 14: World Cup where I think he had two tooth players

543
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Speaker 14: where he sort of tackled the player and held him

544
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Speaker 14: up over the line. But yeah, it's just just just

545
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Speaker 14: incredible player. Yeah, Ruben Love, I thought he did well.

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Speaker 14: I think I think he caught the only up and

547
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Speaker 14: under of the whole series the All Blacks put in

548
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Speaker 14: the air and he caught it cleanly, which was good

549
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Speaker 14: to see. And I think that's that's a huge work on.

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Speaker 14: But for me watching the games last night, I think

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Speaker 14: the coaches, I think Farrell and Russi are probably the

552
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Speaker 14: two best coaches in the world, watching those two guys,

553
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Speaker 14: and I think we always I always thought we had

554
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Speaker 14: that sort of competitive advantage, but these guys really are

555
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Speaker 14: really sort of the innovators, and yeah, they're trying new things,

556
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Speaker 14: and I think South Africa at the moment just looked

557
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Speaker 14: almost unbeatable with the with the with the size of

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Speaker 14: their squad and the way they're playing and the options

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Speaker 14: they have. It's a bit like the NFL, you know,

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Speaker 14: they just I've got so many players and options to

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Speaker 14: choose when they play different teams. And I think the

562
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Speaker 14: air is one one place where if we really put

563
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Speaker 14: our mind to it, we could we could dominate. But

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Speaker 14: you know, our kicking game is probably one of the

565
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Speaker 14: worst I think in the international arena, and I think.

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Speaker 8: That's really.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I no. I remember the one you

568
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Speaker 3: talk about with Ruben Love as well, the up and under,

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Speaker 3: and I almost think he got a little bit not

570
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Speaker 3: lucky with it because he chased it hard and he

571
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Speaker 3: won it, but there was no challenger. I think they.

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Speaker 3: I think whoever was receiving kind of misjudged the flight

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Speaker 3: of it. And look, he did well. I thought he

574
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Speaker 3: kicked well, But yeah, not so much last night, I

575
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Speaker 3: don't think. But the first two tests we just kicked

576
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Speaker 3: away a lot, you know, box kicking without chasing. I

577
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Speaker 3: get we all get the reasons for the box kick.

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Speaker 3: I think, much as many of us don't particularly like

579
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Speaker 3: it, it's to gain some sort of advantage and at least

580
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Speaker 3: to make ball in the air contestable. But I haven't

581
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Speaker 3: seen enough evidence of chases really making it contestable often enough.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think you've almost got a look to well.

583
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Speaker 14: AFL is obviously the easiest one to sort of take

584
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Speaker 14: notice of. But in the NRL, you've got players leaping

585
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Speaker 14: for the ball all the time, and you know, we've

586
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Speaker 14: got some fantastically athletic and tool players, you know, I

587
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Speaker 14: mean Caanan Clark was probably one of the aerial players.

588
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Speaker 14: But I mean Rico's tall, Jordie's very tall, will Jordan's tall.

589
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Speaker 14: I mean, We've got these players to me who could

590
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Speaker 14: really compete in the year, and for some bizarre reason,

591
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Speaker 14: they're just not doing it and I can't. It sort

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Speaker 14: of blows my mind how poor we are in that

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Speaker 14: area of the game. And I think against the spring

594
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Speaker 14: Box we've got to winner fifty to fifty ball and

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Speaker 14: I mean they've got shorter players out on the wing,

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Speaker 14: you know, lot most of the time they are two

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Speaker 14: wingers are sort of diminutive players where we could really

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Speaker 14: dominate in the area.

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Speaker 3: I feel, yeah, it's a good point, mark a good

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Speaker 3: point please to work on. As they say, lots of

601
00:31:08,107 --> 00:31:11,307
Speaker 3: learnings to be taken, lots of lessons to be learned.

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Speaker 3: Good to chat. South Africa play Australia in the Rugby

603
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Speaker 3: Championship and two test matches in August Johannesburg and the

604
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Speaker 3: second one is in Cape Town. I fear for Australia.

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Speaker 3: I have to say I fear a bit for them.

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Speaker 3: I watched that game last night against the British and

607
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Speaker 3: Irish Lions. They were well second in that game. And

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Speaker 3: we talked, I think yesterday about how the best opportunity

609
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Speaker 3: for the Wallabies to win one of those Test matches

610
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Speaker 3: against the British and Irish Lions was to win the

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Speaker 3: first one oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: our number. Back to the lines, Hello, Phil, make it

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Speaker 3: a forty?

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Speaker 15: How are you very good?

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Speaker 13: Phil?

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Speaker 16: I didn't see on the sideline last night. You must

617
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Speaker 16: have been running up and down that sideline.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that was the reason, philm

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Speaker 3: I don't think that was the reason. It was probably

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Speaker 3: just the cameras were making sure that they that they

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Speaker 3: focused on actual athletesn't.

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Speaker 16: Think you were like a spear lock waiting to come on.

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Speaker 3: Although I must say when I met Matthew Cooper yesterday

624
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Speaker 3: at Roaming Giant, I'm not sure if you heard the

625
00:32:21,067 --> 00:32:22,787
Speaker 3: chat I had with them. He said to me afterwards, Cheat,

626
00:32:22,787 --> 00:32:25,507
Speaker 3: He goes, you're nice and tall, you'd be a good lock.

627
00:32:26,107 --> 00:32:28,147
Speaker 3: I thought that was a nice compliment for Matthew cood.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, we're digressing, Phil, What did you take away

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Speaker 3: from last night?

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Speaker 16: That is a nice giver and yeah, it was a

631
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Speaker 16: good show. You're in your study I was still thinking

632
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Speaker 16: great interviews. Yeah, I think like they say to quote,

633
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Speaker 16: you know, the knowledgeable players and coaches and people that

634
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Speaker 16: know there's some workings here, I think they've got a

635
00:32:46,707 --> 00:32:50,067
Speaker 16: bit to do. But I thought that reinforced some of

636
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Speaker 16: my beliefs. Like the usual players played fantaut. I don't

637
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Speaker 16: think anybody had a bad game, and all the guys

638
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Speaker 16: that got to go that came on the new fellows

639
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Speaker 16: and that played pretty well, and the usual guys stood

640
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Speaker 16: up like they did, you know, McKenzie, Jordan so Via

641
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Speaker 16: and Subu Reese as well. Not only is he a

642
00:33:13,667 --> 00:33:17,347
Speaker 16: good runner, but he amazes me the work he does

643
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Speaker 16: in defense and tackling and the hard yards he goes

644
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Speaker 16: in like a forward, you know. And that one where

645
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Speaker 16: he best. He knocked the bull out of the guys

646
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Speaker 16: at the sideline in the second half, tackled, he ran,

647
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Speaker 16: tackling the guy who was stopping from getting the ball,

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Speaker 16: and then he was able to flick it to the

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Speaker 16: all blacks. It was just a great example of the

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Speaker 16: work he puts in. But I think we're definitely going

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Speaker 16: to have to when we come into this championship competition

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Speaker 16: that's coming up, and we come up against South Africa

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Speaker 16: and I don't know the French in it, and they'll

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Speaker 16: have their a team if they are I suppose, but

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Speaker 16: we're definitely going to have to up the game a

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Speaker 16: bit because I don't think I don't think we would

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Speaker 16: have won against the South Africans last night on that performance,

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Speaker 16: or even the first one, or maybe the second one

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Speaker 16: was a pretty good one where they got it together better.

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Speaker 16: But I think too, like with the French, kind of

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Speaker 16: when I say that solided my view solidified my view

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Speaker 16: of beliefs is like I don't think the French come

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Speaker 16: over here too worried about how many they were going

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Speaker 16: to win or lose. I think they'll go back and

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Speaker 16: especially this last game because it was a bit like

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Speaker 16: the first game. With the second game, they threw a

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Speaker 16: whole lot of new players then just gave caution to

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Speaker 16: the win. So they went back to a few of

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Speaker 16: the ones they used in the first half, plus some

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Speaker 16: new first game, plus some new ones in the third game.

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Speaker 16: And I think that signified to me again and like

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Speaker 16: I say, they won't probably go back to unhappy it

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Speaker 16: is because I think for them it's just more about

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Speaker 16: they've just been looking to try and see where these

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Speaker 16: players are going and who they might use and building

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Speaker 16: towards that World Cup, and it's been like an exercise

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Speaker 16: for them.

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Speaker 3: But I think it has fill. I think it has

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Speaker 3: been a depth building exercise, without question, and it's achieved that.

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Speaker 3: That was certainly the view I took from the three games.

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Speaker 3: Got to move mate, quarter to one back with more

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Speaker 3: of your calls after this.

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Speaker 5: through too, held up, trans his body over.

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Speaker 3: Try, and soon Lenna Brown with a try just before

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Speaker 3: halftime that brought it back to nineteen seventeen.

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Speaker 17: Can I George good a piney?

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Speaker 3: How are you very good?

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Speaker 15: Mate?

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Speaker 8: Very good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Hey you just just a.

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Speaker 17: Sort of just sort of quick observation on the game

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Speaker 17: last night. In regards to Ruben Love, like I really am.

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Speaker 17: I am a fan of Ruben. I think is enough

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Speaker 17: there in terms of his talent and ruability to trust

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Speaker 17: a sista might be a bit out there, but I

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Speaker 17: think we should really consider him for the for the

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Speaker 17: right wing birth. He's got all the skills and attributes

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Speaker 17: under the high ball for what the box again bring.

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Speaker 17: And you know all backs teams in the past have

706
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Speaker 17: found it really effect from the back three where guys

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Speaker 17: like Cory Jane, Ben Smith even in another time Israel

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Speaker 17: Dad and earlier they met Jiff Wilson. You know, a

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Speaker 17: right winger who thinks some players like a fullback and

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Speaker 17: has got the kicking game to suit and can be

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Speaker 17: in there. I think in general player lots. Last night

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Speaker 17: Will Jordan was actually the one roaming through the middle

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Speaker 17: of the field and Reuben Love was hanging on the

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Speaker 17: right wing, so they were kind of interchanging. I think

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Speaker 17: he could be actually a real option to consider there

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Speaker 17: for the ranking championship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it because there's no real standout contender

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Speaker 3: for the fourteen jumper with make delay having gone now

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Speaker 3: is there? You're right, I mean, yeah, he has to

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Speaker 3: be in that conversation. I like him as part of

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Speaker 3: the back three. Obviously, Will Jordan's going to be there.

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Speaker 3: It's just a matter of which jersey he's wearing. And

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Speaker 3: as you say, that may not really even matter given

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Speaker 3: his responsibilities during the game. But Yeah, it's not the

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Speaker 3: worst idea in the world. It's a it's an interesting

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Speaker 3: little conundrum that back three at the moment.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, and I think sometimes where fullbacks have struggled getting

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Speaker 17: pushed out on the wingers where they don't necessarily have

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Speaker 17: that that kind of power or electric game and in

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Speaker 17: particular Fend But you know, Reuben Love's got a great

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Speaker 17: find on them, as did Corey Jane and being Smith,

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Speaker 17: and they can they can find it quite effective stepping

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Speaker 17: back and off their off their right foot and throwing

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Speaker 17: out that left hand. I think, you know, and we're

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Speaker 17: going to need a care going to need a highball

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Speaker 17: specialist up against the likes of South Africa. You know,

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Speaker 17: I think I think it really should be considered because

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Speaker 17: because he does have rawability and skill and you know,

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Speaker 17: you feel like, you know, as players can adjust to

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Speaker 17: the speed and tempo and physicality of test matches, though

741
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Speaker 17: they'll become more and more accustomed to it, and you know,

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Speaker 17: it's hard to expect them to be you know, super

743
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Speaker 17: rugby for Rubin Love from from day dot at the

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Speaker 17: test level.

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Speaker 3: They good points, well made as always, George, good to

746
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Speaker 3: chat to you mate. Will do it again soon. Alogram.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Yes, good afternoon, Goson, Good afternoon. It was a

748
00:38:13,827 --> 00:38:17,947
Speaker 4: great game last night and I've got the French really

749
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Speaker 4: pulled it up from the last two tests. But one thing,

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Speaker 4: a couple of things I'd like to just say from

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Speaker 4: a technical point of view, and it's frustrated me for

752
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Speaker 4: a long long time, is when in the scrum you

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Speaker 4: put the ball in now and it's all predictable. If

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Speaker 4: they don't contest, it can't go under even the under

755
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Speaker 4: each of the hooker's feet. It just automatically goes underneath

756
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Speaker 4: the guy that's seen the ball in. And I just

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Speaker 4: think it's so predictable that it should go back to

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Speaker 4: how it used to be.

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Speaker 8: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's changed too much. Has a grim.

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Speaker 3: I mean that the team that doesn't have the scrum

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Speaker 3: feed can still earn themselves a tide head if they

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Speaker 3: get themselves coordinated enough to push at the right time.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have to I've hardly ever seen the other

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Speaker 4: side win who doesn't put the ball in, and it's

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Speaker 4: really really I think it's it's almost gone to me.

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Speaker 4: It's boring to watch because you know who's going to

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Speaker 4: get the ball. And another point not the line out.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to throw it right down the center anymore.

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Speaker 4: Now the referees are letting it all go. I feel

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Speaker 4: although the line out, yeah, they tend to be exciting,

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Speaker 4: but they don't strictly follow that, you know, not putting

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Speaker 4: it on one side of the team.

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Speaker 9: He's putting it in.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I do, But I think brahm, I think they do.

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Speaker 3: I think they do. I've seen I've seen you crooked.

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00:39:58,467 --> 00:40:01,707
Speaker 3: You know, throws called if the other team doesn't contest,

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Speaker 3: that's a different story. There's more leeway there. And look

781
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Speaker 3: there there's a lot more going on at a lineout than

782
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Speaker 3: at a scrum. I tell you what they made. It's

783
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Speaker 3: not as bad as rugby league. If you've seen those

784
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Speaker 3: rugby league scrums, they've basically put the ball under the

785
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Speaker 3: feet of the loose forward at the back. I think

786
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Speaker 3: there's still an element of contest around scrums. I appreciate

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Speaker 3: your call, though, seventh to one new Stalk SIBB.

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Speaker 2: When it's downs on the line. You made a call on.

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Speaker 1: Eight Weekend Sports with Jason Pine used Talk zib four.

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Speaker 3: Minutes to one. I couldn't get everybody on the other hour,

791
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Speaker 3: but we will open the lines again and the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks after one o'clock. Steve Gordon going to join us.

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed being part of the commentary team last

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Speaker 3: night with Elliott Smith of course, who calls all of

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Speaker 3: our games, but with Steve Gordon last night. First chance

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Speaker 3: I've had to work alongside Steve. His level of analysis

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Speaker 3: just excellent, really really good. Lucky enough to be down

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Speaker 3: on the sideline for these games and Steve will pick

799
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Speaker 3: stuff up, or did last night. I thought, yeah, just

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Speaker 3: bang on, just on the throws to the lineouts. I

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Speaker 3: stand right behind the hooker and a lot of these

802
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Speaker 3: lineup outs and nineteen times out of twenty it's going

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Speaker 3: in straight.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest fource issues

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Speaker 1: on and after field. It's all on weekends Ford with

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Speaker 1: Jason Vane on your home of Sport US Talk.

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Speaker 3: Welcome and welcome back. At seven past one. This is

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Speaker 3: Weekend Sport on News Talks headb. I'm Jason Pine, Andy

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Speaker 3: McDonald's show producer. We act all three after two but

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Speaker 3: a basketball but a pole vault. Olivia McTaggart a PB

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Speaker 3: in London at the Diamond League event four met us

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Speaker 3: seventy three. She's going to join us. Fore we'll talk

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Speaker 3: some other bits and pieces in the two to three

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Speaker 3: o'clock our as well, but rugby is our focus for

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Speaker 3: the next little while. Just before we get there, Tex

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Speaker 3: through Piney did I hear you correctly? Asks Phil that

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Speaker 3: ten Newcastle Knights are out of the game this afternoon

818
00:42:02,267 --> 00:42:06,827
Speaker 3: against the Warriors. Look, ten of them had gastro, a

819
00:42:06,907 --> 00:42:10,907
Speaker 3: gastro outbreak, which is never nice, whether in a sports

820
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Speaker 3: team or not. How many of them will be fit

821
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Speaker 3: to play remains to be seen, Adam O'Brian. The coaches said, Look,

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Speaker 3: it's not ideal obviously, but we'll try and get some

823
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Speaker 3: of them out there. So, yeah, that's the situation. But

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Speaker 3: of a gastro outbreak in the Newcastle Knights camp ahead

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Speaker 3: of their match against the Warriors tonight, all the Warriors

826
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Speaker 3: can do, I guess is go out there and play

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Speaker 3: what is in front of them. Our number is L

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two

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Speaker 3: for your text messages. The All Blacks chalking up at

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Speaker 3: twenty nine to nineteen winning Hamilton last night, securing a

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Speaker 3: three nil series sweep over France, having trailed nineteen seventeen

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Speaker 3: at half time. Brady McAllister on Test debut and Duplicy

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Speaker 3: Codifi on the occasion off his first Test start, scored

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Speaker 3: crucial second half tries.

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Speaker 5: For McKenzie, stabs in a little kick into the end goal,

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Speaker 5: Willa bounds up for Sevy Race bounce a Zach for

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Speaker 5: Refee plays to the westil he's gotted it down and

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Speaker 5: Duplessy canrep has a first Test try and the All

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Speaker 5: Black at the lead of the quat fine tonight.

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Speaker 3: Former All Blacks locke Steve Gordon provided our expert analysis

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Speaker 3: during our radio call last night and John's just now Steve,

842
00:43:14,827 --> 00:43:16,627
Speaker 3: great to work alongside you last night. What do you

843
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Speaker 3: think the overriding feeling will be today among the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks coaching staff.

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Speaker 19: Although we please have got it done. It's always nice

846
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Speaker 19: to whitewash a team and win a series three nil.

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Speaker 19: But I think they'd be a little bit of a

848
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Speaker 19: little bit of frustration that they didn't get the coordination

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Speaker 19: cohesion that Perps are looking for out of the series.

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Speaker 19: But they did expose a lot of players to test rugby.

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Speaker 8: In the international environment.

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Speaker 19: But I think they will be quitely confident too, that

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Speaker 19: they've unearthed a few new potential superstars in their squad

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Speaker 19: going forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about a couple of players

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Speaker 3: in the moment, But you talk about that cohesion when

857
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Speaker 3: that is not achieved, Is that down to you or

858
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Speaker 3: is it also down to the way the opposition approach

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Speaker 3: a game.

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Speaker 8: I think it's down the opposition. I thought the French

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Speaker 8: were pretty good.

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Speaker 19: They were really really organized in defense, and you along

863
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Speaker 19: on the sideline pinting, you may comment a couple of

864
00:44:08,627 --> 00:44:11,467
Speaker 19: times about just how quick they were coming up and

865
00:44:11,507 --> 00:44:15,347
Speaker 19: how aggressive and physical they were at contact at ruck

866
00:44:15,427 --> 00:44:17,587
Speaker 19: and mall, and just the ability to get an All

867
00:44:17,587 --> 00:44:21,427
Speaker 19: Blacks face and shut them down. And he had Fabian

868
00:44:21,467 --> 00:44:24,667
Speaker 19: Guilty comment, you know, right at the beginning of the

869
00:44:24,707 --> 00:44:28,267
Speaker 19: tour about not letting all Blacks be good at what

870
00:44:28,307 --> 00:44:31,507
Speaker 19: they do. And so they did that really really effectively

871
00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:33,707
Speaker 19: in the first sixty minutes. They fell away towards the

872
00:44:33,787 --> 00:44:35,867
Speaker 19: end event. I don't think they're subs made as much

873
00:44:35,907 --> 00:44:40,427
Speaker 19: impact as ours did, but I think, yeah, he'll be

874
00:44:40,507 --> 00:44:44,427
Speaker 19: pleased what they achieved and their ability to limit the

875
00:44:44,507 --> 00:44:46,867
Speaker 19: All Blacks and how they approached the game.

876
00:44:47,267 --> 00:44:49,827
Speaker 3: So as the All Blacks now planning for the Rugby Championship.

877
00:44:49,867 --> 00:44:51,707
Speaker 3: They've got a couple of weeks off, well actually a

878
00:44:51,747 --> 00:44:54,627
Speaker 3: month until they play Argentina and then those two massive

879
00:44:54,667 --> 00:44:57,267
Speaker 3: tests at home against South Africa. What do you think

880
00:44:57,307 --> 00:45:01,547
Speaker 3: the one or two things that they'll be majorly focused

881
00:45:01,587 --> 00:45:03,667
Speaker 3: on will be ahead of the Rugby Championship.

882
00:45:03,947 --> 00:45:06,267
Speaker 19: I think they've got to look at their kicking game.

883
00:45:06,387 --> 00:45:08,507
Speaker 19: I don't think they particularly well. They didn't find brass

884
00:45:08,667 --> 00:45:10,867
Speaker 19: and they kick chases and needs a little bit of

885
00:45:10,907 --> 00:45:15,187
Speaker 19: a work on. I think they will be unearthed, you know,

886
00:45:16,067 --> 00:45:22,107
Speaker 19: a real potential damaging scrummager in French and yaw. He

887
00:45:22,347 --> 00:45:25,227
Speaker 19: has been incredible over over the last two months in

888
00:45:25,307 --> 00:45:29,027
Speaker 19: his rugby and in particular his scrummaging and probably at

889
00:45:29,027 --> 00:45:31,427
Speaker 19: the end of obviously the talking Port and Favan Holland

890
00:45:31,467 --> 00:45:36,347
Speaker 19: sebout how sensational. He's been playing three full tests as

891
00:45:36,387 --> 00:45:38,347
Speaker 19: a twenty two year old, making his debut for the

892
00:45:38,427 --> 00:45:41,227
Speaker 19: All Blacks and debut season, which is outstanding.

893
00:45:41,267 --> 00:45:42,827
Speaker 8: But I think.

894
00:45:44,187 --> 00:45:46,547
Speaker 19: They'll be concerned in a few areas that they'll really

895
00:45:46,547 --> 00:45:49,307
Speaker 19: want to go away and work on. But any any

896
00:45:49,307 --> 00:45:52,107
Speaker 19: foody and anytime you know you've got new players getting

897
00:45:52,147 --> 00:45:53,587
Speaker 19: exposed to that environment.

898
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:55,147
Speaker 8: And time in the middle is just goal.

899
00:45:56,787 --> 00:45:59,027
Speaker 19: And coming up a French team in that third Test

900
00:45:59,267 --> 00:46:02,707
Speaker 19: that was a how a lot more organized and cohesive

901
00:46:03,507 --> 00:46:07,107
Speaker 19: from the first two. I think that they'll would have

902
00:46:07,427 --> 00:46:11,987
Speaker 19: enjoyed seeing how his squad responded to that pressure and

903
00:46:12,107 --> 00:46:14,667
Speaker 19: what the French style brought and how they responded to it,

904
00:46:14,787 --> 00:46:17,787
Speaker 19: how they broke it down. And we can go back

905
00:46:17,827 --> 00:46:20,347
Speaker 19: to Artie's comments he made after the game is that

906
00:46:20,507 --> 00:46:22,227
Speaker 19: they just had to find a way how to get

907
00:46:22,267 --> 00:46:24,187
Speaker 19: it done and they did that successfully.

908
00:46:24,587 --> 00:46:26,867
Speaker 3: Just on Fletcher newl he started the first two test matches,

909
00:46:26,907 --> 00:46:30,347
Speaker 3: came off the bench last night. What is his best use?

910
00:46:30,747 --> 00:46:32,267
Speaker 3: Is it to start or is it to come on

911
00:46:32,427 --> 00:46:35,507
Speaker 3: and really apply pressure in sort of the back end

912
00:46:35,587 --> 00:46:36,107
Speaker 3: of matches.

913
00:46:37,507 --> 00:46:41,227
Speaker 19: I think they'll look at that and see who's he's

914
00:46:41,267 --> 00:46:44,827
Speaker 19: scrumming against and opposition scrums and how they best employ him.

915
00:46:45,067 --> 00:46:47,987
Speaker 19: You know, if they think that they're coming up against

916
00:46:48,267 --> 00:46:50,427
Speaker 19: a scrum that he can really dominate you from the

917
00:46:50,507 --> 00:46:53,467
Speaker 19: start that startup, well, wouldn't you have the game one

918
00:46:53,547 --> 00:46:57,107
Speaker 19: by halftime? You know, and the opposition that their forward

919
00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:59,827
Speaker 19: pack their mentality shattered, you know, because they can't compete

920
00:46:59,827 --> 00:47:03,187
Speaker 19: at scrum time, or you know, as someone like the

921
00:47:03,227 --> 00:47:06,907
Speaker 19: bomb squad the South AIFCANS employee, you may want to

922
00:47:06,947 --> 00:47:10,907
Speaker 19: bring him on to show things up when they change

923
00:47:10,947 --> 00:47:13,347
Speaker 19: out there forward pack after fifty five minutes. And the

924
00:47:13,467 --> 00:47:16,707
Speaker 19: ideal to be able to introduce someone like Fletcher who

925
00:47:17,227 --> 00:47:19,347
Speaker 19: has got to put it on people and it's showing

926
00:47:19,347 --> 00:47:21,867
Speaker 19: it in the Test in and now that he can

927
00:47:22,027 --> 00:47:24,387
Speaker 19: really upset and dominate at scrub time.

928
00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:26,747
Speaker 3: And Fabian Holand you've mentioned him, you mentioned him a

929
00:47:26,747 --> 00:47:29,307
Speaker 3: pre game when we spoke yesterday and alluded to him

930
00:47:29,587 --> 00:47:32,627
Speaker 3: earlier on in our chat today. One of very few

931
00:47:32,667 --> 00:47:35,827
Speaker 3: players to play every minute of the series. What's impressed

932
00:47:35,867 --> 00:47:40,627
Speaker 3: you most about his seemingly seamless introduction into Test.

933
00:47:40,587 --> 00:47:43,347
Speaker 8: Rugby his ability to complete.

934
00:47:43,387 --> 00:47:45,787
Speaker 19: You know, you may mentioned early on about his tackle

935
00:47:45,827 --> 00:47:49,907
Speaker 19: count thirty seven tackles in this first two tests, none missed,

936
00:47:50,067 --> 00:47:53,227
Speaker 19: no miss tackles. Everyone was a completion. I think his

937
00:47:53,387 --> 00:47:56,667
Speaker 19: accuracy and his attention to detail for a young player

938
00:47:56,707 --> 00:47:59,467
Speaker 19: introduces is quite astounding. I think if he can he

939
00:47:59,547 --> 00:48:03,507
Speaker 19: can build on that and start introducing some more little

940
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:08,067
Speaker 19: subtleties as he gains confidence, he's going to be world class.

941
00:48:08,227 --> 00:48:12,547
Speaker 19: And the most impressive thing is that he just seems

942
00:48:12,587 --> 00:48:15,027
Speaker 19: to be enjoying every moment out there. You know, he's

943
00:48:15,067 --> 00:48:17,667
Speaker 19: not overalled at all. He's just loving the environment and

944
00:48:18,267 --> 00:48:20,947
Speaker 19: stepping up big time to play for his adopted country.

945
00:48:21,587 --> 00:48:24,027
Speaker 3: What did you make of Damien McKenzie's performance last night.

946
00:48:24,947 --> 00:48:27,067
Speaker 19: I wasn't classic dam I think the French had a

947
00:48:27,107 --> 00:48:31,267
Speaker 19: really good job of reading him. They watched a couple

948
00:48:31,267 --> 00:48:32,707
Speaker 19: of times in particular, and they seem to like have

949
00:48:33,027 --> 00:48:35,467
Speaker 19: a dig on him. Some of that was just one

950
00:48:35,467 --> 00:48:38,667
Speaker 19: of the loosies and or inside backs in particular. We're

951
00:48:38,707 --> 00:48:43,307
Speaker 19: just tracking him. They know his ability to counterattack ball

952
00:48:43,387 --> 00:48:46,587
Speaker 19: in hand if there's a turnover ball or if there's

953
00:48:46,587 --> 00:48:51,227
Speaker 19: a mismatch in the defensive system. So they tracked him

954
00:48:51,267 --> 00:48:54,267
Speaker 19: really well and just made sure that they completed tackles

955
00:48:54,267 --> 00:48:56,507
Speaker 19: on him because you've seen it so many times in

956
00:48:56,707 --> 00:48:59,627
Speaker 19: both the Super Rugby and international his ability to skip

957
00:48:59,747 --> 00:49:02,627
Speaker 19: through a gap that shouldn't really be there, or just

958
00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:05,067
Speaker 19: bamboozle a defensive structure and get someone to go the

959
00:49:05,107 --> 00:49:09,427
Speaker 19: wrong way and he can go through the gap. I

960
00:49:09,507 --> 00:49:12,267
Speaker 19: think that was a ploy from the French to contain him,

961
00:49:12,307 --> 00:49:13,947
Speaker 19: and they did a really good job on that.

962
00:49:14,787 --> 00:49:16,387
Speaker 8: Some of his kicks you know you can improve on.

963
00:49:17,227 --> 00:49:19,587
Speaker 19: I don't think it was a bad performance from any means,

964
00:49:19,627 --> 00:49:22,987
Speaker 19: but it was just a quiet performance by his own standards.

965
00:49:23,267 --> 00:49:25,227
Speaker 3: You mentioned the number of players who have been exposed

966
00:49:25,267 --> 00:49:27,587
Speaker 3: to test rugby. I think six new debutantes thirty three

967
00:49:27,667 --> 00:49:30,547
Speaker 3: players used across the three games, Steve, is there a

968
00:49:30,667 --> 00:49:35,307
Speaker 3: concern about the drop off I guess between the top

969
00:49:35,387 --> 00:49:37,907
Speaker 3: guy and the rest in a couple of key positions.

970
00:49:37,947 --> 00:49:41,187
Speaker 3: I'm talking hooker with Cody Taylor and half back with

971
00:49:41,347 --> 00:49:43,467
Speaker 3: Cam Royguard. There just seems to be a big gap

972
00:49:43,587 --> 00:49:44,427
Speaker 3: back to the others.

973
00:49:45,867 --> 00:49:48,347
Speaker 8: That says a lot about Cody Taylor and Cam Royguard.

974
00:49:48,387 --> 00:49:50,907
Speaker 8: You know, they are through truly world class players.

975
00:49:51,267 --> 00:49:56,627
Speaker 19: But I think Raises trying hard to introduce players and

976
00:49:56,707 --> 00:49:58,827
Speaker 19: get them up to speed, you know, and the only

977
00:49:58,867 --> 00:50:00,347
Speaker 19: way to do that is you've got to test and

978
00:50:00,467 --> 00:50:04,227
Speaker 19: give them opportunities and time in the middle. As just

979
00:50:04,347 --> 00:50:07,867
Speaker 19: goal for any player and all sorts of different players,

980
00:50:07,907 --> 00:50:09,907
Speaker 19: how they develop over their careers. You know, sometimes they

981
00:50:09,907 --> 00:50:11,387
Speaker 19: have a rough start and turn out to be, you know,

982
00:50:11,787 --> 00:50:14,227
Speaker 19: a mainstay in the team, but they need time to

983
00:50:14,307 --> 00:50:16,667
Speaker 19: do so. And if there is a drop off and

984
00:50:16,707 --> 00:50:20,947
Speaker 19: performance in how the team's run on the field, and

985
00:50:21,387 --> 00:50:25,027
Speaker 19: I think Raising and his crew will be investing a

986
00:50:25,067 --> 00:50:28,027
Speaker 19: lot of time in the next tier down trying to

987
00:50:28,027 --> 00:50:30,547
Speaker 19: get them up, you know. And what a wonderful opportunity

988
00:50:30,627 --> 00:50:32,507
Speaker 19: for all Blacks to have the likes of a Cody

989
00:50:32,587 --> 00:50:34,827
Speaker 19: Taylor came Roy Gad for those guys to aspire to.

990
00:50:36,027 --> 00:50:39,107
Speaker 19: They can see the level every day in training where

991
00:50:39,147 --> 00:50:41,427
Speaker 19: they need to be. So yeah, yeah, I don't think

992
00:50:41,467 --> 00:50:43,547
Speaker 19: we'd be too concerned at this stage and you know

993
00:50:43,627 --> 00:50:46,187
Speaker 19: the four year cycle, but yeah, they will be looking

994
00:50:46,267 --> 00:50:48,467
Speaker 19: for those players to come up to that level.

995
00:50:48,787 --> 00:50:51,307
Speaker 3: I think we all expected the French to be not

996
00:50:51,507 --> 00:50:55,267
Speaker 3: at their best, a supposed second string side coming over here, Steve,

997
00:50:55,347 --> 00:50:57,707
Speaker 3: were you surprised at the at the strength of the

998
00:50:57,947 --> 00:50:58,747
Speaker 3: of the French team?

999
00:50:59,667 --> 00:51:02,067
Speaker 19: Oh, I'm not at all point, you know, come out

1000
00:51:02,107 --> 00:51:03,427
Speaker 19: of one of the best competition in the world and

1001
00:51:03,467 --> 00:51:06,187
Speaker 19: the top car tours, and look, I was really disappointed

1002
00:51:06,227 --> 00:51:08,747
Speaker 19: and in some of the commentary early on before that

1003
00:51:08,907 --> 00:51:11,987
Speaker 19: even played a game about you know, the caliber of

1004
00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:13,507
Speaker 19: the team that was coming out, and it was an

1005
00:51:13,587 --> 00:51:17,387
Speaker 19: insult and disrespectful and a whole of other nonsense.

1006
00:51:17,027 --> 00:51:18,387
Speaker 8: That was being created around.

1007
00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:21,707
Speaker 19: I think we got showed last night that France is

1008
00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:24,867
Speaker 19: one of the premiere competitions in the world and world

1009
00:51:24,947 --> 00:51:26,907
Speaker 19: rugby at the moment, and those players coming out of

1010
00:51:26,947 --> 00:51:29,947
Speaker 19: it are world class. You know, they were his breath

1011
00:51:29,987 --> 00:51:33,387
Speaker 19: away from tipping us up last night. I just think

1012
00:51:34,027 --> 00:51:37,587
Speaker 19: that has sean how much depth the French do carry

1013
00:51:38,147 --> 00:51:40,187
Speaker 19: in their playing port at the moment. You know, Iy've

1014
00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:43,347
Speaker 19: got world class players, not just from one to sixteen

1015
00:51:43,427 --> 00:51:45,787
Speaker 19: seventeen as ahead in the past and there wasn't a

1016
00:51:45,787 --> 00:51:48,627
Speaker 19: lot of depth. They've got depth from numbers you know,

1017
00:51:48,987 --> 00:51:51,347
Speaker 19: one right through to sixty sixty five that.

1018
00:51:51,387 --> 00:51:53,227
Speaker 8: Are capable of playing international football.

1019
00:51:53,347 --> 00:51:55,627
Speaker 19: So I think we got a little bit of a

1020
00:51:55,987 --> 00:51:59,107
Speaker 19: reality check and a jolt in our psyche just how

1021
00:51:59,187 --> 00:52:03,027
Speaker 19: good the French competition is and perhaps we aren't as

1022
00:52:03,067 --> 00:52:04,227
Speaker 19: far ahead as we thought we were.

1023
00:52:04,627 --> 00:52:06,667
Speaker 3: And teach Rugby and Hamilton for the first time in

1024
00:52:06,747 --> 00:52:08,587
Speaker 3: three years that's an awfully long time. Hope it's not

1025
00:52:08,627 --> 00:52:12,267
Speaker 3: three more years, because I think that stadium's terrific, rectangular,

1026
00:52:12,387 --> 00:52:15,227
Speaker 3: the crowd are right there, a great atmosphere last night.

1027
00:52:15,467 --> 00:52:18,427
Speaker 3: What's the feeling around around the White cut the region

1028
00:52:18,507 --> 00:52:23,627
Speaker 3: about about the likelihood of more regular test matches here? O?

1029
00:52:23,987 --> 00:52:24,507
Speaker 8: We love it.

1030
00:52:24,627 --> 00:52:27,507
Speaker 19: You know, they're just a passionate crowd in the way

1031
00:52:27,827 --> 00:52:30,227
Speaker 19: and surrounding areas, and a lot of people you know,

1032
00:52:30,347 --> 00:52:33,027
Speaker 19: come up from the king Country across from the Bay,

1033
00:52:33,627 --> 00:52:35,707
Speaker 19: a lot dropped down from from South Auckland, you know.

1034
00:52:35,787 --> 00:52:38,627
Speaker 19: So it's got it's got a massive feeder group of

1035
00:52:38,747 --> 00:52:42,107
Speaker 19: people that can easily get to the stadium and it's

1036
00:52:42,267 --> 00:52:45,747
Speaker 19: a wonderful occasion. They know it has limitations on capacity

1037
00:52:45,907 --> 00:52:48,187
Speaker 19: and revenue is a big driver, so it's hard to

1038
00:52:48,267 --> 00:52:52,107
Speaker 19: get those sort of a level test matches against you know,

1039
00:52:52,187 --> 00:52:54,147
Speaker 19: the top tier nations, the top eight they come here.

1040
00:52:54,187 --> 00:52:58,467
Speaker 19: But yeah, we had one last night and just been

1041
00:52:58,507 --> 00:53:00,947
Speaker 19: down the street today to grab a coffee and everyone

1042
00:53:01,067 --> 00:53:01,547
Speaker 19: talking about it.

1043
00:53:01,587 --> 00:53:06,227
Speaker 8: There's still ends of a staff and supporters, you know, close.

1044
00:53:06,067 --> 00:53:09,787
Speaker 19: Upport of both teams around in the healthon East Village

1045
00:53:09,827 --> 00:53:12,907
Speaker 19: and so it's just great for the region and I

1046
00:53:13,427 --> 00:53:15,387
Speaker 19: really hope that they do try and shear them around

1047
00:53:15,747 --> 00:53:17,227
Speaker 19: and not just why could I, you know, some of

1048
00:53:17,227 --> 00:53:20,307
Speaker 19: the other provinces too, and if they can get tests

1049
00:53:20,387 --> 00:53:23,187
Speaker 19: out to the province, it just is such a boost

1050
00:53:24,067 --> 00:53:28,147
Speaker 19: to those areas for rugby and it's great for those

1051
00:53:28,227 --> 00:53:31,667
Speaker 19: regions to enjoy the celebrations and all the peripheral activity

1052
00:53:31,707 --> 00:53:34,467
Speaker 19: that goes on around a test match and just then

1053
00:53:34,507 --> 00:53:37,387
Speaker 19: interaction between people and bringing people together around our great

1054
00:53:37,387 --> 00:53:37,907
Speaker 19: game rugby.

1055
00:53:38,067 --> 00:53:41,107
Speaker 3: Yeah, could not agree more. Loved working alongside you last night, Steve.

1056
00:53:41,147 --> 00:53:42,067
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time.

1057
00:53:41,987 --> 00:53:43,627
Speaker 8: Today, Chans Piney, have a good one.

1058
00:53:43,707 --> 00:53:46,427
Speaker 3: Go well, you go well to Steve. Thanks indeed, Steve Gordon,

1059
00:53:46,507 --> 00:53:50,427
Speaker 3: former All Blacks Locke and expert analyst on our radio

1060
00:53:50,547 --> 00:53:52,747
Speaker 3: calls not only for the All Blacks here in Hamilton,

1061
00:53:52,867 --> 00:53:55,987
Speaker 3: but Chiefs and Wake Up or MPC as well, alongside

1062
00:53:56,627 --> 00:54:00,067
Speaker 3: great mate Graham Minty Mead Top for some more calls.

1063
00:54:00,107 --> 00:54:02,067
Speaker 3: If you would like to make a point and couldn't

1064
00:54:02,067 --> 00:54:05,467
Speaker 3: get through last hour, it's one nineteen oh eight hundred

1065
00:54:05,467 --> 00:54:07,627
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eight. We'll move away from the rugby

1066
00:54:07,707 --> 00:54:10,507
Speaker 3: the next little while to focus on other things, but

1067
00:54:10,907 --> 00:54:13,347
Speaker 3: ken to sort of do some mopping up of this,

1068
00:54:13,827 --> 00:54:16,027
Speaker 3: Nick says Ponty, what do you mean a gap back

1069
00:54:16,627 --> 00:54:21,987
Speaker 3: from cam Royguard. Noah Hotham was profoundly better last night, Nick,

1070
00:54:22,107 --> 00:54:25,907
Speaker 3: you are not suggesting surely that Noah Hotham is a

1071
00:54:26,027 --> 00:54:31,307
Speaker 3: better half back than cam Royguard right now? I think

1072
00:54:31,347 --> 00:54:37,467
Speaker 3: if we surveyed one hundred All Blacks fans all one

1073
00:54:37,627 --> 00:54:41,067
Speaker 3: hundred would say that Cam Royguard is the best man

1074
00:54:41,187 --> 00:54:44,947
Speaker 3: to start in the nine jersey. You can't say that

1075
00:54:44,987 --> 00:54:47,347
Speaker 3: about every position in the team, but you can certainly

1076
00:54:47,427 --> 00:54:50,547
Speaker 3: say it about half back. I think Cortez Latima had

1077
00:54:51,307 --> 00:54:53,507
Speaker 3: a mixed bag of a game last night. I think

1078
00:54:53,547 --> 00:54:55,387
Speaker 3: Noah Hotham was good when he came on, and I

1079
00:54:55,627 --> 00:54:59,667
Speaker 3: think he's got a big future. And those three, I'm sure,

1080
00:55:00,147 --> 00:55:02,427
Speaker 3: along with others who come onto the scene, will battle

1081
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:05,987
Speaker 3: it out for the nine and twenty one jerseys moving ahead.

1082
00:55:06,067 --> 00:55:11,627
Speaker 3: But Cam Royguard is by some distance the best half

1083
00:55:11,667 --> 00:55:14,427
Speaker 3: back going around the All Blacks at the moment, just

1084
00:55:14,587 --> 00:55:19,387
Speaker 3: as Cody Taylor is the best hooker going around the

1085
00:55:19,467 --> 00:55:23,027
Speaker 3: gap back from him to Summer Sauny Tooki Yahaun Obviously,

1086
00:55:23,267 --> 00:55:26,387
Speaker 3: Brady mckellister only debuted last night of Suffowama, coming back

1087
00:55:26,427 --> 00:55:30,667
Speaker 3: from injury. Again the you don't know what you've got

1088
00:55:30,787 --> 00:55:33,627
Speaker 3: until it's not there, and Cody Taylor just seems to

1089
00:55:33,667 --> 00:55:36,747
Speaker 3: be getting better and better. He's about to bring up

1090
00:55:36,747 --> 00:55:38,667
Speaker 3: one hundred tests. I think he's sitting on ninety eight,

1091
00:55:39,267 --> 00:55:41,307
Speaker 3: so it could well bring up his one hundredth test

1092
00:55:42,227 --> 00:55:45,707
Speaker 3: against Argentina. In the second game over there. If you

1093
00:55:45,747 --> 00:55:49,227
Speaker 3: look at the at the best all Blacks fifteen, where

1094
00:55:49,227 --> 00:55:53,187
Speaker 3: are the contestable positions? I think it's pretty much sorted

1095
00:55:53,267 --> 00:55:56,267
Speaker 3: itself out, hasn't it. There are a couple which are contestable,

1096
00:55:57,347 --> 00:56:01,867
Speaker 3: but the best all Blacks fifteen I think, and you

1097
00:56:01,987 --> 00:56:05,347
Speaker 3: might have a view on this, is this I think

1098
00:56:05,707 --> 00:56:10,267
Speaker 3: to mighty will if he's fit at loose head. If

1099
00:56:10,307 --> 00:56:13,627
Speaker 3: he's not, then Ethan de Groote, Cody Taylor, Fletcher Nule

1100
00:56:13,867 --> 00:56:16,747
Speaker 3: I think has just continued to develop and is the

1101
00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:18,907
Speaker 3: best tight head prop going around. Scott Barrett have fit.

1102
00:56:19,987 --> 00:56:22,667
Speaker 3: If not Patrick Tuipolot too, then Fabian Holland, who very

1103
00:56:22,787 --> 00:56:27,187
Speaker 3: quickly has become a pretty impressive lock forward. So he's

1104
00:56:27,267 --> 00:56:32,867
Speaker 3: in there to Paul Vay on the blind, Ardie Savia

1105
00:56:33,187 --> 00:56:36,667
Speaker 3: open side, and Wallace Stiti we hope coming back to

1106
00:56:36,787 --> 00:56:39,027
Speaker 3: pack down on the back of the scrum, Camroy guard

1107
00:56:39,347 --> 00:56:42,507
Speaker 3: Bowden Barret at first five, Jordi Barrett at second five.

1108
00:56:42,867 --> 00:56:47,707
Speaker 3: I think Billy Proctor at center, although he still has

1109
00:56:47,787 --> 00:56:49,747
Speaker 3: to continue to build a body of work around that,

1110
00:56:49,867 --> 00:56:53,787
Speaker 3: but I think he is probably thirteen. Caleb Clark on

1111
00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:56,547
Speaker 3: the left wing, Rico A. Jouanni on the right wing.

1112
00:56:56,627 --> 00:56:59,587
Speaker 3: Will Jordan a fallback? I think that's the best fifteen.

1113
00:57:00,867 --> 00:57:02,987
Speaker 3: You might have a different view. Oh, eight hundred and

1114
00:57:03,067 --> 00:57:05,827
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is our number nine two ninety two

1115
00:57:05,947 --> 00:57:08,347
Speaker 3: for the first on this afternoon spear line to jump aboard.

1116
00:57:08,907 --> 00:57:10,867
Speaker 3: We're back with some of your calls after this on

1117
00:57:10,907 --> 00:57:12,227
Speaker 3: News Talks a B one twenty.

1118
00:57:12,027 --> 00:57:17,467
Speaker 1: Two one, crutch Hold Ngauge, Weekend Sport with Jason PyME

1119
00:57:17,667 --> 00:57:21,147
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunner, Homes New Zealand so Ice, Trusted home Builder,

1120
00:57:21,307 --> 00:57:22,627
Speaker 1: News Talks, Air Baby.

1121
00:57:22,747 --> 00:57:24,787
Speaker 3: News Talks ab Talking All Blacks for a bit longer.

1122
00:57:24,947 --> 00:57:27,907
Speaker 3: It is one twenty six of eight hundred and eighty

1123
00:57:28,027 --> 00:57:33,187
Speaker 3: ten eighty, as always remains our phone number. Interesting one

1124
00:57:33,227 --> 00:57:37,147
Speaker 3: here Jason, what are your thoughts on bench players hanging

1125
00:57:37,267 --> 00:57:41,027
Speaker 3: around in the tri scoring area? Very noticeable in the

1126
00:57:41,107 --> 00:57:44,387
Speaker 3: Australia Lions game last night, especially when the Aussies were

1127
00:57:44,427 --> 00:57:48,587
Speaker 3: defending their try line. The British and Irish Lions reserves

1128
00:57:48,627 --> 00:57:52,707
Speaker 3: were literally standing in the tri scoring area and all

1129
00:57:52,827 --> 00:57:54,787
Speaker 3: ran on when they scored a trial. I'm pretty sure

1130
00:57:54,787 --> 00:57:59,387
Speaker 3: they're not allowed there for starters. They they were allowed

1131
00:57:59,427 --> 00:58:02,547
Speaker 3: to warm up behind the Enngali area, but they have

1132
00:58:02,627 --> 00:58:04,907
Speaker 3: to be behind the dead ballline. They're not allowed to

1133
00:58:06,027 --> 00:58:12,707
Speaker 3: to an croach into that area. But yeah, I did

1134
00:58:12,867 --> 00:58:14,747
Speaker 3: notice that they were there or thereabouts. I mean they

1135
00:58:14,787 --> 00:58:17,627
Speaker 3: get sent down behind the gold warm up, don't they

1136
00:58:18,187 --> 00:58:21,547
Speaker 3: on occasion, whether they're going to be coming on or not.

1137
00:58:21,627 --> 00:58:23,107
Speaker 3: They often just send them down there to do some

1138
00:58:23,227 --> 00:58:25,947
Speaker 3: calisthenics and some little stretches and throw the ball around.

1139
00:58:26,507 --> 00:58:31,227
Speaker 3: I didn't think that they encroached. It's interesting though, you know.

1140
00:58:32,947 --> 00:58:37,547
Speaker 3: I guess they'll be yelling encouragement from behind the Australians

1141
00:58:37,547 --> 00:58:39,827
Speaker 3: as they defend their line. I don't think that's the

1142
00:58:39,867 --> 00:58:43,587
Speaker 3: reason the Wallabies lost last night. Another one here, I'd

1143
00:58:43,627 --> 00:58:45,267
Speaker 3: like to see Ruben Love given a spell at ten,

1144
00:58:46,427 --> 00:58:48,467
Speaker 3: just to see if he's the answer long term. Yeah,

1145
00:58:48,467 --> 00:58:50,307
Speaker 3: I think maybe that was a trick missed a little

1146
00:58:50,307 --> 00:58:53,467
Speaker 3: bit by Razor in this series. Although he can only

1147
00:58:54,307 --> 00:58:57,027
Speaker 3: you know, play so many players in so many positions.

1148
00:58:57,067 --> 00:59:00,667
Speaker 3: I've seen this morning. There's been there's been criticism of

1149
00:59:00,787 --> 00:59:04,187
Speaker 3: Razer for not giving enough minutes to some of his

1150
00:59:04,347 --> 00:59:10,747
Speaker 3: fringe players, and talk of too much time being given

1151
00:59:10,907 --> 00:59:15,267
Speaker 3: and not not enough solidification of the first team. He's

1152
00:59:15,307 --> 00:59:17,467
Speaker 3: only got three test matches. I think he's done well

1153
00:59:17,547 --> 00:59:19,947
Speaker 3: to use thirty three players would have been thirty four

1154
00:59:20,747 --> 00:59:24,507
Speaker 3: if Luke Jacobson hadn't been injured before the game last night.

1155
00:59:24,587 --> 00:59:29,427
Speaker 3: I think he's done a very good job of exposing

1156
00:59:29,507 --> 00:59:32,667
Speaker 3: more players to test rugby. That is now sixteen players

1157
00:59:33,467 --> 00:59:36,787
Speaker 3: that Scott Robertson has given a debut to since he

1158
00:59:36,867 --> 00:59:38,627
Speaker 3: took the job on at the start of last year.

1159
00:59:39,867 --> 00:59:43,067
Speaker 3: Now I can't see any scenario under which he will

1160
00:59:43,107 --> 00:59:46,307
Speaker 3: give another sixteen guys debuts between now in the next

1161
00:59:46,387 --> 00:59:48,747
Speaker 3: World Cup. If you're going to blood new players, the

1162
00:59:48,827 --> 00:59:50,547
Speaker 3: start of a World Cup cycle is the place to

1163
00:59:50,627 --> 00:59:52,347
Speaker 3: do it. If you're going to build depth, and we've

1164
00:59:52,387 --> 00:59:55,107
Speaker 3: heard a lot about this four deep in every position,

1165
00:59:55,827 --> 00:59:57,667
Speaker 3: then that means you've got to give sixty guys a game,

1166
00:59:57,747 --> 00:59:59,267
Speaker 3: don't you, or at least an opportunity.

1167
01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:04,987
Speaker 20: Hello Caine, Oh, a good point of here. Even though

1168
01:00:04,987 --> 01:00:08,907
Speaker 20: I'm a chiefs man, like the look of no hurt him. Todd,

1169
01:00:09,467 --> 01:00:10,987
Speaker 20: he's got a bit of a bag full of tricks,

1170
01:00:11,187 --> 01:00:12,987
Speaker 20: you know, Little Chip think he keeps at the top.

1171
01:00:14,067 --> 01:00:17,747
Speaker 20: But I sort of just mentioned one guy, mate, And

1172
01:00:17,907 --> 01:00:21,227
Speaker 20: are we starting to talk about him already or we

1173
01:00:21,307 --> 01:00:23,067
Speaker 20: got to wait too, Iri tires because I think he's

1174
01:00:23,107 --> 01:00:26,507
Speaker 20: pretty much up there, Jordi Barrett. Is he is good

1175
01:00:26,667 --> 01:00:32,107
Speaker 20: or going to be as better than because Jordy he

1176
01:00:32,267 --> 01:00:35,507
Speaker 20: is classmate. I mean that fend at the end of

1177
01:00:35,547 --> 01:00:38,747
Speaker 20: the game there that put through the hooker. And don't

1178
01:00:38,747 --> 01:00:41,307
Speaker 20: forget remember that Irish we held up the Irish at

1179
01:00:41,307 --> 01:00:43,907
Speaker 20: the World Cup. He held up cod then over the line.

1180
01:00:43,987 --> 01:00:47,387
Speaker 20: He's just got a full bag man, Jordy six foot

1181
01:00:47,427 --> 01:00:50,347
Speaker 20: five and him and none who for the best twelves

1182
01:00:50,387 --> 01:00:53,187
Speaker 20: of war time. Well that's going to be a pretty

1183
01:00:53,187 --> 01:00:56,587
Speaker 20: good discussion, really, yeah. I mean, Geordie's just class.

1184
01:00:56,307 --> 01:01:00,587
Speaker 3: Mate, terrific player. King, I totally agree. I mean he

1185
01:01:00,667 --> 01:01:04,267
Speaker 3: seems to be better for the experience of playing at Leinster.

1186
01:01:05,227 --> 01:01:08,147
Speaker 3: Heither tackle he pulled off in the corner that stopped

1187
01:01:08,147 --> 01:01:10,547
Speaker 3: the French scoring a try. As you say, the fend

1188
01:01:10,627 --> 01:01:13,747
Speaker 3: and the pass. He just made the All Blacks better

1189
01:01:13,787 --> 01:01:17,227
Speaker 3: when he came on last night. He is he's the

1190
01:01:17,427 --> 01:01:21,387
Speaker 3: any goalkick, massive boots, good on both sides of the ball,

1191
01:01:21,387 --> 01:01:23,307
Speaker 3: as you say, holds players up in the end goal area.

1192
01:01:23,667 --> 01:01:26,827
Speaker 3: Not a heck of a lot the bloke can't do, oh.

1193
01:01:26,867 --> 01:01:29,187
Speaker 20: Mate, I mean you know we've had you know, Martin

1194
01:01:29,227 --> 01:01:32,227
Speaker 20: Nanu and Conrad Smith, but jeez, man, Jordi is a

1195
01:01:32,387 --> 01:01:36,747
Speaker 20: world class you know, he's just awesome. I enjoy watching

1196
01:01:36,827 --> 01:01:38,827
Speaker 20: him play when he comes on six foot five, mate,

1197
01:01:38,827 --> 01:01:41,747
Speaker 20: you don't get that around so but disappointing in the

1198
01:01:42,507 --> 01:01:45,747
Speaker 20: twenties as well, made you know, too many unforced errors,

1199
01:01:46,547 --> 01:01:50,907
Speaker 20: which is a bit of a killer. But congrats to

1200
01:01:50,947 --> 01:01:52,707
Speaker 20: the spring Box ma got the handed to them there.

1201
01:01:52,747 --> 01:01:53,387
Speaker 20: They are too good.

1202
01:01:54,027 --> 01:01:55,947
Speaker 3: Indeed, I didn't get I didn't catch all of the

1203
01:01:55,987 --> 01:01:57,987
Speaker 3: game this morning, but I saw the results and yeah,

1204
01:01:57,987 --> 01:02:00,227
Speaker 3: I think the All Blacks were pretty well. The junior

1205
01:02:00,227 --> 01:02:02,987
Speaker 3: All Blacks are pretty humble in defeat. Yes that Africa

1206
01:02:03,147 --> 01:02:06,227
Speaker 3: is better, but yeah, you look at that. You think

1207
01:02:06,387 --> 01:02:08,827
Speaker 3: had our great sick and fives and your land On

1208
01:02:09,067 --> 01:02:13,187
Speaker 3: nan who obviously the likes of Walter Little, Warwick Taylor

1209
01:02:13,267 --> 01:02:15,867
Speaker 3: going back up at bill Osbourne. Uh, there was you know,

1210
01:02:15,947 --> 01:02:20,627
Speaker 3: there's been some there's been some really good players and

1211
01:02:20,747 --> 01:02:22,867
Speaker 3: the and the twelve jumper. And you can add Jordi

1212
01:02:22,907 --> 01:02:26,507
Speaker 3: Barrett because he is he is at the top of

1213
01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:33,267
Speaker 3: his game. Mars, hello mate, good I'm not a big fan.

1214
01:02:33,187 --> 01:02:35,827
Speaker 18: Of Raiser, never have done that. I actually think he's

1215
01:02:35,827 --> 01:02:40,227
Speaker 18: doing a very good job. And you know, I look

1216
01:02:40,267 --> 01:02:42,867
Speaker 18: at the guys, he's growing and developing, actually what we

1217
01:02:43,027 --> 01:02:45,147
Speaker 18: need opposed to just giving someone to go because and

1218
01:02:45,187 --> 01:02:49,187
Speaker 18: he had too. And I think that Hollum's the biggest

1219
01:02:49,667 --> 01:02:53,067
Speaker 18: asset were found considering gets been around for that, you know,

1220
01:02:53,107 --> 01:02:55,547
Speaker 18: for a long time. And I think it's it's actually

1221
01:02:55,587 --> 01:02:58,227
Speaker 18: really good. It's good from the rugby perspectives because I

1222
01:02:58,267 --> 01:03:02,907
Speaker 18: think you pretty much nailed the B side there. But

1223
01:03:03,027 --> 01:03:05,467
Speaker 18: I just have a lot of doubts over Billie Popper

1224
01:03:05,507 --> 01:03:08,027
Speaker 18: and I think that round possibly could be better in

1225
01:03:08,107 --> 01:03:08,787
Speaker 18: the center position.

1226
01:03:09,307 --> 01:03:11,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a vac and see it's an open it's

1227
01:03:11,227 --> 01:03:13,947
Speaker 3: an open conversation Morris, without doubt. I think there was

1228
01:03:13,987 --> 01:03:16,947
Speaker 3: a lot of clamor for Billy Proctor to get a go,

1229
01:03:17,267 --> 01:03:21,027
Speaker 3: and his opportunities last year were limited. I don't know

1230
01:03:21,147 --> 01:03:23,907
Speaker 3: that he has entirely seized his opportunities in the two

1231
01:03:23,947 --> 01:03:26,147
Speaker 3: tests he had this year. Certainly he was better on

1232
01:03:26,187 --> 01:03:28,547
Speaker 3: Wellington than to need him. But it remains a life conversation.

1233
01:03:28,907 --> 01:03:30,707
Speaker 3: And I thought Antil Lennon Brown was good last night.

1234
01:03:31,787 --> 01:03:35,187
Speaker 18: Yeah, Will, and you're talking about twelves and I look

1235
01:03:35,267 --> 01:03:38,947
Speaker 18: at midfield combinations. If you go back in the seventies

1236
01:03:39,387 --> 01:03:44,867
Speaker 18: you had Bill Osbourne and Robinson. Where's Robinson great combination

1237
01:03:45,667 --> 01:03:48,547
Speaker 18: strength and skill. Then you go back you wold a

1238
01:03:48,547 --> 01:03:51,147
Speaker 18: little red friend Brunt's great combination, you know, and then

1239
01:03:51,187 --> 01:03:54,227
Speaker 18: you've got the marn and who comm Redsmith And we

1240
01:03:54,347 --> 01:03:58,347
Speaker 18: don't have that silky skills in the midfield center. We've

1241
01:03:58,347 --> 01:04:00,467
Speaker 18: got the big, solid defender who can read the game

1242
01:04:00,547 --> 01:04:03,467
Speaker 18: really well and strong carries really well. But we just

1243
01:04:03,547 --> 01:04:05,387
Speaker 18: need that guy with a little bit of I think,

1244
01:04:05,427 --> 01:04:08,067
Speaker 18: you know, Conrad Smith, it's quite you know, he's very

1245
01:04:08,147 --> 01:04:11,107
Speaker 18: very good rugby player. And I think maybe my view

1246
01:04:11,227 --> 01:04:14,107
Speaker 18: is that I think Brown gives us that more but

1247
01:04:14,227 --> 01:04:15,987
Speaker 18: more skill factor in all the rest of it. And

1248
01:04:16,067 --> 01:04:17,787
Speaker 18: he's been around for a week, but he's still not

1249
01:04:17,907 --> 01:04:20,947
Speaker 18: that old in context of rugby teams. And I think

1250
01:04:20,947 --> 01:04:23,507
Speaker 18: the other thing we have an issue is our wingers

1251
01:04:23,507 --> 01:04:26,427
Speaker 18: are not We're not blessed with great wingers at the

1252
01:04:26,467 --> 01:04:29,267
Speaker 18: moment they you know, and I look at this, is

1253
01:04:29,307 --> 01:04:33,787
Speaker 18: that said who reaches a good player but maybe wanting

1254
01:04:33,867 --> 01:04:36,707
Speaker 18: under the high ball as where you know, and and

1255
01:04:38,147 --> 01:04:40,987
Speaker 18: so the outside back the wingers in the fullback of

1256
01:04:41,107 --> 01:04:43,547
Speaker 18: your if you move the fullback up to the wing.

1257
01:04:44,067 --> 01:04:45,387
Speaker 18: You're stuck in the back, you know what I mean,

1258
01:04:45,427 --> 01:04:47,547
Speaker 18: you haven't got anyone there. So we light in those

1259
01:04:47,587 --> 01:04:49,427
Speaker 18: areas I think across the board when you look at

1260
01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:52,667
Speaker 18: it in brutal honesty. But other than that, but I

1261
01:04:52,747 --> 01:04:54,827
Speaker 18: think the thing that's at the most we've got, we've

1262
01:04:54,867 --> 01:04:57,827
Speaker 18: got to pack that does the basics very very well.

1263
01:04:58,467 --> 01:05:00,307
Speaker 18: You know, the Bergen they're strong and they can carry

1264
01:05:00,347 --> 01:05:03,987
Speaker 18: the ball, and they've got some skills and so I think,

1265
01:05:04,107 --> 01:05:07,587
Speaker 18: you know, I believe it or not. An Aukomer giving

1266
01:05:07,627 --> 01:05:10,147
Speaker 18: the heads up to Scott Robinson. You know that's a

1267
01:05:10,347 --> 01:05:11,587
Speaker 18: very very unusual thing.

1268
01:05:12,107 --> 01:05:14,947
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is, Morris, but kudos to you for doing it.

1269
01:05:15,347 --> 01:05:19,027
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, call mate, Appreciate your core. Andy says, we

1270
01:05:19,147 --> 01:05:20,747
Speaker 3: need to be speaking about the top twenty three, not

1271
01:05:20,867 --> 01:05:23,347
Speaker 3: just the top fifteen. The box have shown the future

1272
01:05:23,387 --> 01:05:25,587
Speaker 3: of rugby, which really means we need to start thinking

1273
01:05:25,627 --> 01:05:28,787
Speaker 3: about and talking of the best twenty three. Can't wait

1274
01:05:28,867 --> 01:05:31,147
Speaker 3: to lead and park Now, Andy, you're dead right. There's

1275
01:05:31,187 --> 01:05:33,947
Speaker 3: still this thing about starting though, And I was a

1276
01:05:33,987 --> 01:05:38,547
Speaker 3: bit like you. I thought that perhaps players now had

1277
01:05:38,587 --> 01:05:41,947
Speaker 3: accepted the fact that being in a jersey higher than

1278
01:05:42,027 --> 01:05:48,867
Speaker 3: fifteen was, you know, as prestigious as starting. But then

1279
01:05:48,947 --> 01:05:50,987
Speaker 3: Clayton McMillan said in an interview I did with him

1280
01:05:50,987 --> 01:05:52,387
Speaker 3: a few months ago, he said, I've never met a

1281
01:05:52,427 --> 01:05:54,987
Speaker 3: player who doesn't want to start. There is still a

1282
01:05:55,067 --> 01:05:58,747
Speaker 3: prestige about starting a Test match. Yes, there's huge value

1283
01:05:59,067 --> 01:06:01,467
Speaker 3: in those guys coming off the bench, and rugby is

1284
01:06:01,507 --> 01:06:04,587
Speaker 3: a twenty three man game now, but everybody wants to start,

1285
01:06:04,627 --> 01:06:06,627
Speaker 3: and I guess that's why I named the starting fifteen right.

1286
01:06:06,667 --> 01:06:11,667
Speaker 3: There's a lot of discussion too around who the most

1287
01:06:11,707 --> 01:06:15,947
Speaker 3: effective players are to come off that bench. Coming off

1288
01:06:15,947 --> 01:06:18,867
Speaker 3: the bench last night for his Test debuo and becoming

1289
01:06:18,947 --> 01:06:22,547
Speaker 3: the latest All Black All Black number one two hundred

1290
01:06:22,547 --> 01:06:26,987
Speaker 3: and twenty nine was Chiefs hooker Brody McAllister. He marked

1291
01:06:27,427 --> 01:06:30,467
Speaker 3: the occasion with the All Blacks Fourth Tribe. Had the

1292
01:06:30,587 --> 01:06:32,827
Speaker 3: chance shortly after the final whistle to have a chat

1293
01:06:32,867 --> 01:06:35,547
Speaker 3: to Brody McAllister and find out how he enjoyed his

1294
01:06:35,707 --> 01:06:36,387
Speaker 3: Test debut.

1295
01:06:37,387 --> 01:06:41,707
Speaker 21: It's pretty awesome moment that you dream of of a

1296
01:06:41,787 --> 01:06:45,187
Speaker 21: young fella. Yeah, so it's pretty awesome to come back

1297
01:06:45,227 --> 01:06:48,107
Speaker 21: here and do it here where it's been a pretty

1298
01:06:48,147 --> 01:06:52,507
Speaker 21: special year to be. Yes, come away and debut for

1299
01:06:53,547 --> 01:06:57,187
Speaker 21: another club, and yeah, have the whole year.

1300
01:06:57,227 --> 01:06:58,027
Speaker 4: It's been pretty cool.

1301
01:06:58,907 --> 01:07:01,547
Speaker 3: The try. I'm sure later in the night you would

1302
01:07:01,587 --> 01:07:04,147
Speaker 3: have been forty five yards out. Just talk us through

1303
01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:05,787
Speaker 3: the pictures I saw as Jordie took off.

1304
01:07:07,467 --> 01:07:14,267
Speaker 21: You know, Fatman's Shrek therefore in support there, so yeah,

1305
01:07:14,747 --> 01:07:16,387
Speaker 21: pretty good to see. If they went off, I can

1306
01:07:16,467 --> 01:07:18,627
Speaker 21: feel them coming, so that's why I die five meters out,

1307
01:07:19,907 --> 01:07:21,507
Speaker 21: so I didn't get held up. There's a few held

1308
01:07:21,547 --> 01:07:25,307
Speaker 21: up tries, so yeah, closest me into a grand.

1309
01:07:25,107 --> 01:07:28,267
Speaker 3: Ones And your rugby career has not been a straight line,

1310
01:07:28,307 --> 01:07:30,267
Speaker 3: has it. You've had to make some decisions about where

1311
01:07:30,347 --> 01:07:32,707
Speaker 3: you play, and the decisions you've made have lead you

1312
01:07:32,787 --> 01:07:34,587
Speaker 3: to this point. Let's been very proud for you and

1313
01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:37,307
Speaker 3: your family to experience tonight here in Hamilton.

1314
01:07:37,747 --> 01:07:42,587
Speaker 21: Yeah, it hasn't been straightforward of a couple of big injuries,

1315
01:07:44,227 --> 01:07:47,787
Speaker 21: but I think that's sort of tested me and got

1316
01:07:47,867 --> 01:07:51,547
Speaker 21: me here so built a lot of resilience and I

1317
01:07:51,707 --> 01:07:53,587
Speaker 21: just got to thank my family for getting me through

1318
01:07:53,627 --> 01:07:56,867
Speaker 21: those hard times. It's not pretty straightforward coming back from

1319
01:07:56,907 --> 01:07:59,547
Speaker 21: some big injuries, but they've been been by my side

1320
01:07:59,547 --> 01:08:01,227
Speaker 21: the whole time, and it's pretty cool.

1321
01:08:01,267 --> 01:08:04,027
Speaker 3: To share the special one with them. I always enjoy

1322
01:08:04,147 --> 01:08:07,547
Speaker 3: seeing a new player debut for their Countrey Brodie McCallister

1323
01:08:07,827 --> 01:08:11,187
Speaker 3: the latest. He obviously enjoyed himself last night, although he

1324
01:08:11,347 --> 01:08:13,547
Speaker 3: was very honest afterwards and said, look, I need to

1325
01:08:13,747 --> 01:08:15,747
Speaker 3: not in that interview with me, But later on when

1326
01:08:15,787 --> 01:08:17,387
Speaker 3: he did wider media, he said, look, I need to

1327
01:08:17,427 --> 01:08:21,507
Speaker 3: work on my line out throwing three that didn't find

1328
01:08:21,507 --> 01:08:23,747
Speaker 3: the mark last night, so I'll work on for him.

1329
01:08:24,267 --> 01:08:25,947
Speaker 3: Jose's went to the game last night. It was very

1330
01:08:26,027 --> 01:08:29,667
Speaker 3: noticeable when Jordi came on. The French opposites body language changed.

1331
01:08:30,187 --> 01:08:32,267
Speaker 3: Prior to that, our backs looked a bit small compared

1332
01:08:32,307 --> 01:08:34,587
Speaker 3: to theirs, but Jordie's size in the back line put

1333
01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:37,827
Speaker 3: them on notice. Great games meantime from female and to

1334
01:08:38,147 --> 01:08:40,907
Speaker 3: a lot too strong and physical and Ruben Love looks

1335
01:08:40,947 --> 01:08:42,587
Speaker 3: like a test player with a big future. Thank you.

1336
01:08:42,707 --> 01:08:42,867
Speaker 8: Joe.

1337
01:08:43,427 --> 01:08:45,627
Speaker 3: I spoke also last night after the game briefly with

1338
01:08:45,787 --> 01:08:48,267
Speaker 3: All Blacks Captain Ardie Savia to get his take on

1339
01:08:48,347 --> 01:08:48,627
Speaker 3: the game.

1340
01:08:49,027 --> 01:08:52,307
Speaker 22: Every test messed different. You know, Clay that same teams

1341
01:08:52,307 --> 01:08:54,747
Speaker 22: three times, It's always going to be different, and you've

1342
01:08:54,827 --> 01:08:57,907
Speaker 22: got to give credit to the French. It certainly turned

1343
01:08:57,987 --> 01:09:00,867
Speaker 22: up tonight and put us under pressure. I'm also part

1344
01:09:00,867 --> 01:09:02,707
Speaker 22: of our boys, you know, like it was one of

1345
01:09:02,747 --> 01:09:04,347
Speaker 22: those games where you had to roll your sleeves up

1346
01:09:04,387 --> 01:09:06,227
Speaker 22: and find a way, and you know we did that.

1347
01:09:07,427 --> 01:09:08,587
Speaker 22: So very happy with Stefree and.

1348
01:09:08,627 --> 01:09:11,387
Speaker 3: A bit of adversity to start as well. Luke Jacobson

1349
01:09:11,427 --> 01:09:14,187
Speaker 3: a very late scratching. It compelled a positional change. How

1350
01:09:14,227 --> 01:09:14,827
Speaker 3: did you manage that?

1351
01:09:15,147 --> 01:09:17,707
Speaker 22: Yeah, no, it's it's just you just got to adapt

1352
01:09:17,747 --> 01:09:18,147
Speaker 22: and adjust.

1353
01:09:18,947 --> 01:09:19,107
Speaker 13: You know.

1354
01:09:19,467 --> 01:09:22,547
Speaker 22: That's unfortunate for Luky because I know he was looking

1355
01:09:22,587 --> 01:09:25,587
Speaker 22: forward to playing in front of his home crowd. But

1356
01:09:25,707 --> 01:09:27,347
Speaker 22: you know, you just got to get on and get

1357
01:09:27,387 --> 01:09:30,227
Speaker 22: on the job and get on with it. For me personally,

1358
01:09:30,227 --> 01:09:32,547
Speaker 22: I was a bit shaky at the start, buddy, how

1359
01:09:32,627 --> 01:09:34,427
Speaker 22: but you know it's just you know, you've got to

1360
01:09:34,467 --> 01:09:36,467
Speaker 22: get back into it and find your mojor.

1361
01:09:36,787 --> 01:09:40,267
Speaker 3: And you welcome another brother to the Faro, Brody McAllister

1362
01:09:40,547 --> 01:09:42,587
Speaker 3: all black one two two nine in a try score

1363
01:09:42,627 --> 01:09:43,867
Speaker 3: of two exactly mate.

1364
01:09:44,627 --> 01:09:47,787
Speaker 22: And that's the beautiful thing about the squad. The Jersey

1365
01:09:47,867 --> 01:09:50,587
Speaker 22: demands you just step up and do your job. And

1366
01:09:50,667 --> 01:09:52,547
Speaker 22: Brodie certainly came on and did it. Did it really

1367
01:09:52,587 --> 01:09:55,187
Speaker 22: well and even so getting a meat pie.

1368
01:09:55,307 --> 01:09:57,707
Speaker 8: So very proud of Brody and proud of all the

1369
01:09:57,707 --> 01:09:58,187
Speaker 8: boys to night.

1370
01:09:58,587 --> 01:10:01,427
Speaker 3: That is Alie Savia, captain of the side, a meat pie.

1371
01:10:01,587 --> 01:10:05,387
Speaker 3: That's yeah, obviously Rugby slaying for a try twenty two

1372
01:10:05,587 --> 01:10:08,347
Speaker 3: Away from to thank you for all your calls, correspondence

1373
01:10:08,387 --> 01:10:10,827
Speaker 3: and feedback on the Rugby last night. I will shift

1374
01:10:10,867 --> 01:10:13,427
Speaker 3: away after two o'clock. We want to cover off some basketball,

1375
01:10:13,747 --> 01:10:16,907
Speaker 3: some pole vault, a bit of football as well and

1376
01:10:17,107 --> 01:10:19,707
Speaker 3: the World University games when we come back though, James

1377
01:10:19,827 --> 01:10:24,067
Speaker 3: mcconey and his regular Sunday slot you be the.

1378
01:10:24,107 --> 01:10:28,547
Speaker 1: TMO have your say on eighty eighty Weekend Sport with

1379
01:10:28,747 --> 01:10:32,827
Speaker 1: Jason Hin and GJ. Gubnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home

1380
01:10:32,867 --> 01:10:33,627
Speaker 1: builder News.

1381
01:10:33,547 --> 01:10:36,867
Speaker 3: Talks coming up one forty two the show coming to

1382
01:10:36,907 --> 01:10:40,907
Speaker 3: here from Hamilton after last night's Test match. James mcconey

1383
01:10:40,947 --> 01:10:43,627
Speaker 3: as well, it's always sad to leave. I like this

1384
01:10:43,827 --> 01:10:45,427
Speaker 3: place and how.

1385
01:10:45,307 --> 01:10:47,347
Speaker 15: Good is it? And I've had some pretty good reports

1386
01:10:47,387 --> 01:10:50,187
Speaker 15: from French people as well. You know, they've found a

1387
01:10:50,267 --> 01:10:53,067
Speaker 15: good hot chocolate and a cross on to dunk in it,

1388
01:10:53,187 --> 01:10:53,747
Speaker 15: So there you go.

1389
01:10:54,227 --> 01:10:55,867
Speaker 6: Not the worst place in the world.

1390
01:10:55,947 --> 01:10:58,467
Speaker 3: No, It is certainly not. It's it's nowhere near the

1391
01:10:58,507 --> 01:11:00,827
Speaker 3: bottom of the list as far as I'm concerned. Let's

1392
01:11:00,827 --> 01:11:04,627
Speaker 3: talk some sport. Boden Barrett didn't play last night hand injury.

1393
01:11:04,747 --> 01:11:09,267
Speaker 3: We hear he's going to be okay for the rugby Championship. Yeah,

1394
01:11:09,947 --> 01:11:11,747
Speaker 3: where are we with Boden Barret. He seems to have

1395
01:11:11,787 --> 01:11:13,707
Speaker 3: been around for a long time. Has he got enough

1396
01:11:13,747 --> 01:11:14,467
Speaker 3: guess in the tank?

1397
01:11:15,267 --> 01:11:18,067
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's interesting the Boden Barrett thing, poney, because I mean,

1398
01:11:18,147 --> 01:11:21,027
Speaker 15: last night I think McKenzie had a patchy game, let's

1399
01:11:21,067 --> 01:11:23,467
Speaker 15: be honest. But at the same time, I think Boden

1400
01:11:23,507 --> 01:11:27,267
Speaker 15: has showed that he's currently the number one. But last

1401
01:11:27,387 --> 01:11:29,747
Speaker 15: week there was a really interesting quote where he got

1402
01:11:29,827 --> 01:11:31,187
Speaker 15: quite emotional. Have listened to this?

1403
01:11:31,747 --> 01:11:32,707
Speaker 8: What is emotional?

1404
01:11:34,747 --> 01:11:36,467
Speaker 3: I guess I never really know when it's going to

1405
01:11:36,507 --> 01:11:39,387
Speaker 3: be my last. So yeah, every time I get the

1406
01:11:39,507 --> 01:11:42,787
Speaker 3: chance to play, especially with a brother on my side,

1407
01:11:43,907 --> 01:11:46,307
Speaker 3: it gets emotional for me. So it takes a lot

1408
01:11:46,307 --> 01:11:51,387
Speaker 3: of effort these days to play test rugby. Interesting interesting

1409
01:11:51,427 --> 01:11:54,947
Speaker 3: from Boden. Better was at that little media scrum as well.

1410
01:11:56,067 --> 01:11:57,347
Speaker 3: What is he suggesting there?

1411
01:11:58,507 --> 01:12:01,147
Speaker 15: Well, he's really hinting at an exit of some kind,

1412
01:12:01,267 --> 01:12:06,587
Speaker 15: isn't he Really? This seems to me fairly clear, Bowden saying, look,

1413
01:12:06,787 --> 01:12:10,267
Speaker 15: my days in this jersey are numbered. He's I mean,

1414
01:12:10,307 --> 01:12:13,147
Speaker 15: he's he's clearly number one. But he knows full well

1415
01:12:13,227 --> 01:12:15,947
Speaker 15: that Razor and ends in rugby have made overtures to

1416
01:12:16,067 --> 01:12:19,467
Speaker 15: Richie Muana, so he knows that every chance at more

1417
01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:21,387
Speaker 15: and will be back in the World Cup year, and

1418
01:12:21,507 --> 01:12:23,587
Speaker 15: in that World Cup year, Boden will be thirty six

1419
01:12:23,747 --> 01:12:27,227
Speaker 15: years old. So I feel that Boden knowing that your employer,

1420
01:12:27,307 --> 01:12:30,347
Speaker 15: imagine if you knew that your employer currently in talks

1421
01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:33,507
Speaker 15: with Martin Devlin, Pony, it's a little bit unsettling, isn't it.

1422
01:12:34,467 --> 01:12:37,827
Speaker 3: I've seen I've seen some of those emails. Yeah, but

1423
01:12:37,987 --> 01:12:41,467
Speaker 3: look like all i can all I can do is

1424
01:12:41,547 --> 01:12:45,387
Speaker 3: my best when I'm handed the jersey exactly right.

1425
01:12:45,307 --> 01:12:46,387
Speaker 10: And you've been outstanding.

1426
01:12:46,507 --> 01:12:49,267
Speaker 15: But the thing is undoubtedly number one, Pony. But hey

1427
01:12:49,427 --> 01:12:52,307
Speaker 15: there's this other guy who So that's exactly what they're

1428
01:12:52,347 --> 01:12:54,427
Speaker 15: doing right now. And I think Boden is a mature

1429
01:12:54,427 --> 01:12:58,707
Speaker 15: adult saying, look, no, there's nothing. You know, you can't

1430
01:12:58,747 --> 01:13:01,747
Speaker 15: take anything for granted. I know there's a shelf life

1431
01:13:01,787 --> 01:13:05,307
Speaker 15: because of my age, and also is this Rugby three

1432
01:13:05,387 --> 01:13:07,547
Speaker 15: sixty on the herz you just had here to do

1433
01:13:07,627 --> 01:13:10,987
Speaker 15: place talk about it that they are getting some big names.

1434
01:13:11,067 --> 01:13:13,827
Speaker 15: And I'm telling you a guy in mid thirties who's

1435
01:13:14,787 --> 01:13:17,267
Speaker 15: who's a legend of the game, Boden Barrett. I know

1436
01:13:17,387 --> 01:13:22,427
Speaker 15: they've had other names like Roger tuvasisht Kylen Pongner, but

1437
01:13:22,627 --> 01:13:25,267
Speaker 15: you just wait, someone like Boden Barrett could be exactly

1438
01:13:25,347 --> 01:13:26,387
Speaker 15: the sort of player thereafter.

1439
01:13:26,747 --> 01:13:28,467
Speaker 3: Yeah, well those other two A league players, aren't they

1440
01:13:28,507 --> 01:13:31,467
Speaker 3: And if they're really serious about a high class rugby competition,

1441
01:13:31,667 --> 01:13:34,867
Speaker 3: a guy like Boden Barrett that would be that'll be

1442
01:13:34,907 --> 01:13:36,867
Speaker 3: a dial turner, you know for them, that would be

1443
01:13:37,427 --> 01:13:39,907
Speaker 3: a real stamp of legitimacy if they can get a

1444
01:13:39,947 --> 01:13:41,987
Speaker 3: player like that. What do you think of the concept?

1445
01:13:42,067 --> 01:13:44,627
Speaker 3: Do you think it's got leagues Rugby three sixty.

1446
01:13:46,267 --> 01:13:49,827
Speaker 15: I think it's it's definitely going to happen. I think

1447
01:13:49,907 --> 01:13:55,027
Speaker 15: that this competition will happen. So everybody's basing for it.

1448
01:13:55,107 --> 01:13:57,627
Speaker 15: All the agents I've spoken to know they're getting offers

1449
01:13:57,667 --> 01:14:01,467
Speaker 15: for players already. The stadiums I've talked to, they've got

1450
01:14:01,507 --> 01:14:04,307
Speaker 15: host cities. So it's a bit like salgp of rugby

1451
01:14:04,387 --> 01:14:08,507
Speaker 15: if you like, you know, from Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in

1452
01:14:08,547 --> 01:14:12,107
Speaker 15: London down to the New Camp in Barcelona. It's ninety

1453
01:14:12,187 --> 01:14:15,187
Speaker 15: thousand there, isn't it, Piny I think yeah. And then

1454
01:14:15,867 --> 01:14:18,067
Speaker 15: New York and LA have been linked as well. So

1455
01:14:18,667 --> 01:14:20,507
Speaker 15: that's what they're going to do is turn into a

1456
01:14:20,587 --> 01:14:24,227
Speaker 15: traveling road show. But yes, I think it's going to happen.

1457
01:14:24,267 --> 01:14:26,187
Speaker 15: And look, I'm not a big fan of Saudi money,

1458
01:14:26,227 --> 01:14:29,187
Speaker 15: but my one proviso with Saudi money is I'll take it.

1459
01:14:29,547 --> 01:14:31,387
Speaker 15: As long as they can go back there and start

1460
01:14:32,147 --> 01:14:34,987
Speaker 15: women's rugby and a gay rugby club as well in

1461
01:14:35,107 --> 01:14:37,747
Speaker 15: Saudi Arabia, then I'll do it well.

1462
01:14:37,747 --> 01:14:40,067
Speaker 3: Speaking to Bruce Sharyck yesterday on the show, he said, look,

1463
01:14:40,107 --> 01:14:44,107
Speaker 3: the you know, the Saudi stuff has been a little

1464
01:14:44,107 --> 01:14:46,987
Speaker 3: bit misreported. Having said that though if you want big

1465
01:14:47,067 --> 01:14:51,427
Speaker 3: money in sport at the moment, it seems that Saudi

1466
01:14:51,467 --> 01:14:54,747
Speaker 3: Arabia is one place where you can accumulate those funds. Anyway,

1467
01:14:54,787 --> 01:14:58,307
Speaker 3: we wait and see our younger rugby players, our under

1468
01:14:58,387 --> 01:15:01,187
Speaker 3: twenties have gone down to South Africa in the Under

1469
01:15:01,227 --> 01:15:04,467
Speaker 3: twenty World Cup or World Championship final this morning twenty

1470
01:15:04,507 --> 01:15:08,227
Speaker 3: three fifteen, but still our best since we wanted in

1471
01:15:08,307 --> 01:15:11,947
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, so maybe the next waiver is about to arrive.

1472
01:15:12,907 --> 01:15:15,067
Speaker 15: Yeah, it is a pretty good wave of talent coming through.

1473
01:15:15,267 --> 01:15:18,627
Speaker 15: And I actually watched the game against France the semi final,

1474
01:15:18,667 --> 01:15:21,387
Speaker 15: and there's a French second five who's going to terrorize

1475
01:15:21,427 --> 01:15:23,107
Speaker 15: the All Blacks in a couple of years, so watch

1476
01:15:23,227 --> 01:15:27,947
Speaker 15: this space for that. But they're a bit unlucky because

1477
01:15:27,987 --> 01:15:31,147
Speaker 15: the star player Oli Matthis was unavailable for the final.

1478
01:15:31,267 --> 01:15:33,827
Speaker 15: That's the why Katz or Flank who sometimes plays on

1479
01:15:33,867 --> 01:15:36,227
Speaker 15: the wing. Huai sort of talk about quite a lot

1480
01:15:36,307 --> 01:15:38,507
Speaker 15: the next Henry Pollock. But there is a hook of

1481
01:15:38,547 --> 01:15:41,387
Speaker 15: there called elo Odinryan And of course if you think

1482
01:15:41,587 --> 01:15:43,587
Speaker 15: I know that's their name, well it is lee Odin

1483
01:15:43,667 --> 01:15:47,107
Speaker 15: Ryan's son. It looks nothing like his lanky dad, but

1484
01:15:47,347 --> 01:15:50,267
Speaker 15: he is very very quick and I think he's probably

1485
01:15:50,347 --> 01:15:54,667
Speaker 15: the best or most talented player in that group at

1486
01:15:54,707 --> 01:15:56,907
Speaker 15: the moment, so let's watch out for him. He's currently

1487
01:15:56,987 --> 01:16:00,867
Speaker 15: a crusader and who knows where he'll end up next.

1488
01:16:00,987 --> 01:16:04,467
Speaker 15: But yeah, there's obviously a really good crop that's coming through.

1489
01:16:05,267 --> 01:16:08,147
Speaker 3: Good to see, good to say. Now I watched the

1490
01:16:08,187 --> 01:16:10,587
Speaker 3: British and Irish Lions play the Wallabies last night, and

1491
01:16:10,787 --> 01:16:12,227
Speaker 3: if you hadn't watched the game and you saw the

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01:16:12,227 --> 01:16:14,507
Speaker 3: score twenty seven nineteen, you tell him that's quite close.

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01:16:14,907 --> 01:16:18,907
Speaker 3: I just thought the Wallabies re distant second last night.

1494
01:16:19,147 --> 01:16:19,907
Speaker 3: What did you make of it?

1495
01:16:20,867 --> 01:16:21,027
Speaker 8: Yeah?

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01:16:21,027 --> 01:16:23,627
Speaker 15: I thought the Wallabies were really disappointing because I thought

1497
01:16:23,667 --> 01:16:26,707
Speaker 15: their only chance to rumble the lines was to move

1498
01:16:26,787 --> 01:16:29,067
Speaker 15: the ball and I just didn't see it happen enough.

1499
01:16:29,467 --> 01:16:31,947
Speaker 15: But also something for all rugby coaches that they need

1500
01:16:32,027 --> 01:16:34,947
Speaker 15: to really think about is just because he's a number

1501
01:16:35,027 --> 01:16:37,827
Speaker 15: on your jersey, it doesn't matter, so Joseph sway that

1502
01:16:37,987 --> 01:16:40,947
Speaker 15: you just because he's got thirteen on his back doesn't

1503
01:16:40,987 --> 01:16:43,747
Speaker 15: mean that every move he has to be outside the

1504
01:16:43,827 --> 01:16:47,747
Speaker 15: second five, feel free for him to pop up anywhere.

1505
01:16:47,947 --> 01:16:50,667
Speaker 15: I mean, Shaan Fitzpatrick didn't care. He played half his

1506
01:16:50,787 --> 01:16:54,547
Speaker 15: career on the wing. So look, just be a bit

1507
01:16:54,627 --> 01:16:58,227
Speaker 15: more innovative when you've got a star like Matt, find

1508
01:16:58,307 --> 01:17:01,027
Speaker 15: a different way to utilize him. So yeah, I just

1509
01:17:01,067 --> 01:17:03,147
Speaker 15: thought it was a bit too predictable from the Wallabies.

1510
01:17:03,267 --> 01:17:07,227
Speaker 15: They I mean, they don't have much. Yeah, there are

1511
01:17:07,307 --> 01:17:10,987
Speaker 15: players that you know, Valentini's and Giberills skeletons and jid

1512
01:17:11,507 --> 01:17:13,867
Speaker 15: so it was always going to be tough to beat

1513
01:17:13,907 --> 01:17:17,907
Speaker 15: them in Test one. But and even having Tom Lioner

1514
01:17:18,347 --> 01:17:20,747
Speaker 15: for his first I think first run on start to

1515
01:17:20,827 --> 01:17:24,587
Speaker 15: play the Lions. I thought that was an absolute kamakazi mission.

1516
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:27,947
Speaker 15: That should have been Ben Donaldson. If you know you rugby,

1517
01:17:28,627 --> 01:17:31,547
Speaker 15: he's Ben Donaldson's been around and kicks goals for fun,

1518
01:17:31,627 --> 01:17:33,667
Speaker 15: and I think he would have been a better option

1519
01:17:33,787 --> 01:17:34,307
Speaker 15: at ten.

1520
01:17:34,587 --> 01:17:35,667
Speaker 3: Or even James O'Connor.

1521
01:17:35,987 --> 01:17:40,547
Speaker 15: Even James O'Connor, why not, I know, And I mean,

1522
01:17:40,827 --> 01:17:44,027
Speaker 15: look you look at the Wallaby has actually experienced some

1523
01:17:44,107 --> 01:17:46,467
Speaker 15: of the same problems as the All Blacks last night.

1524
01:17:46,547 --> 01:17:49,227
Speaker 15: You just know, you know how some some of the

1525
01:17:49,347 --> 01:17:52,067
Speaker 15: moves weren't quite clicking. It was a bit patchy. But

1526
01:17:52,187 --> 01:17:54,947
Speaker 15: the great thing about the All Blacks is suddenly Ardie

1527
01:17:54,987 --> 01:17:59,347
Speaker 15: saviez running thirty five meters up the field. The Wallaby

1528
01:17:59,507 --> 01:18:02,907
Speaker 15: just don't have that X factor and and I won't.

1529
01:18:03,147 --> 01:18:05,987
Speaker 15: Maybe I should get into my conspiracy theory about theory

1530
01:18:05,987 --> 01:18:09,747
Speaker 15: about picking so many chiefs was a massive pr move,

1531
01:18:09,787 --> 01:18:12,467
Speaker 15: I reckon and then chucking them and the cauldron of

1532
01:18:12,507 --> 01:18:15,467
Speaker 15: the third Test. I know what you're doing, Raiser you're

1533
01:18:15,507 --> 01:18:18,827
Speaker 15: trying to, you know, because if they lost, maybe if

1534
01:18:18,827 --> 01:18:20,467
Speaker 15: they lost, then the knives will be up for all

1535
01:18:20,507 --> 01:18:23,027
Speaker 15: the chiefs, and then makes it easy to bring Paveli

1536
01:18:23,067 --> 01:18:24,867
Speaker 15: and Ethan Black at her back then, who I love

1537
01:18:24,987 --> 01:18:27,547
Speaker 15: by the way, I think they're really good players. Well,

1538
01:18:27,587 --> 01:18:29,187
Speaker 15: what I want to say the Raiser to quote the

1539
01:18:29,307 --> 01:18:32,467
Speaker 15: Spy of quote the spice skills, is tell me what

1540
01:18:32,587 --> 01:18:35,627
Speaker 15: you want, what you really really want, because just pick

1541
01:18:35,707 --> 01:18:36,627
Speaker 15: the team that you want.

1542
01:18:38,507 --> 01:18:40,427
Speaker 3: Well, he'll have to do that now he's use thirty

1543
01:18:40,467 --> 01:18:42,187
Speaker 3: three guys in this series. He's going to have to

1544
01:18:42,387 --> 01:18:44,587
Speaker 3: narrow that down for the big ones ahead. We wait

1545
01:18:44,627 --> 01:18:48,027
Speaker 3: to see how many chiefs there are when the side

1546
01:18:48,107 --> 01:18:50,587
Speaker 3: to play Argentina is named in a few weeks. Hey,

1547
01:18:50,627 --> 01:18:52,267
Speaker 3: couple of other sporting matters, want to get your view

1548
01:18:52,307 --> 01:18:54,547
Speaker 3: on Scotti Scheffler. He's got a four stroke lead at

1549
01:18:54,587 --> 01:18:59,107
Speaker 3: the Open Championship. He shouldn't relinquish that. Looks like another

1550
01:18:59,227 --> 01:19:00,987
Speaker 3: major coming the way of Scotti Scheffler.

1551
01:19:01,867 --> 01:19:03,387
Speaker 15: Yeah, and I mean I've got a lot of time

1552
01:19:03,467 --> 01:19:05,907
Speaker 15: for Scotti Schiffer. I interviewed them at the Olympics over

1553
01:19:06,587 --> 01:19:09,347
Speaker 15: in Paris, and he's just a really cool customer, can

1554
01:19:09,427 --> 01:19:12,307
Speaker 15: handle anything, didn't mind the odd crowd goes wild question

1555
01:19:12,707 --> 01:19:17,187
Speaker 15: about going to Applebee's, like Will Ferrell and Talladega Knights,

1556
01:19:17,307 --> 01:19:21,907
Speaker 15: like he's he's unflappable, and he's very different from a

1557
01:19:22,027 --> 01:19:24,547
Speaker 15: lot of I guess American stars. You know, he's not

1558
01:19:24,707 --> 01:19:29,787
Speaker 15: that demonstrative. It almost looks like this being amazing at

1559
01:19:29,827 --> 01:19:32,587
Speaker 15: golf for some burden that's been thrust upon him. But

1560
01:19:33,147 --> 01:19:35,107
Speaker 15: I love that about him. I think he's just very

1561
01:19:35,187 --> 01:19:40,747
Speaker 15: much an every man character and looks he deserves. I

1562
01:19:40,827 --> 01:19:43,947
Speaker 15: mean that there's quite a cluster of really good golfers

1563
01:19:43,947 --> 01:19:45,707
Speaker 15: at the moment, but he deserves to be number one

1564
01:19:45,787 --> 01:19:50,587
Speaker 15: and have some daylight there because you know, he's one

1565
01:19:50,627 --> 01:19:53,187
Speaker 15: of those guys who, no matter where you are in

1566
01:19:53,267 --> 01:19:55,827
Speaker 15: the field, you know he can produce something incredible like

1567
01:19:55,907 --> 01:19:58,747
Speaker 15: he did in Paris and right now four shots up.

1568
01:19:58,827 --> 01:19:59,987
Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like it's Scotty's.

1569
01:20:00,467 --> 01:20:03,547
Speaker 3: I remember that interview. Actually, not everybody can do that interview.

1570
01:20:03,667 --> 01:20:06,867
Speaker 3: You're so disarming when it comes to anybody. Really, he's

1571
01:20:06,907 --> 01:20:10,667
Speaker 3: pretty famous Scottie Schiffer, you know, but it was obvious

1572
01:20:11,107 --> 01:20:14,547
Speaker 3: he enjoyed chatting with you, Having done probably one hundred

1573
01:20:14,747 --> 01:20:17,587
Speaker 3: inane interviews with the likes of people like me, but

1574
01:20:18,147 --> 01:20:20,867
Speaker 3: I think he enjoyed chatting with you. Just to finish,

1575
01:20:21,507 --> 01:20:25,027
Speaker 3: Welcome to Wellington, Wrexham one nil to the Phoenix.

1576
01:20:26,027 --> 01:20:28,827
Speaker 15: I know, how cool is that? By the way, the

1577
01:20:28,907 --> 01:20:33,147
Speaker 15: goal scorer Luke flowered you. How awesome is his name? Like,

1578
01:20:34,067 --> 01:20:36,787
Speaker 15: I mean, obviously this Luke Skywalker. It feels like it's

1579
01:20:36,787 --> 01:20:39,907
Speaker 15: slightly related, but a bit more so, like fluffy and

1580
01:20:40,027 --> 01:20:43,947
Speaker 15: nice and so good on them Teenager scoring that goal

1581
01:20:45,147 --> 01:20:48,827
Speaker 15: the Wrexam thing. Look at the Phoenix needed some good

1582
01:20:48,867 --> 01:20:51,347
Speaker 15: news and that felt like it was awesome for the club.

1583
01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:54,987
Speaker 15: But also Rixham are getting Libby Cacacci, a guy that

1584
01:20:55,067 --> 01:20:58,987
Speaker 15: you and I know very very well, and I'm hoping

1585
01:20:59,027 --> 01:21:01,747
Speaker 15: that that means we both get interviews with Ryan Reynolds

1586
01:21:01,827 --> 01:21:03,147
Speaker 15: on our shows very very soon.

1587
01:21:03,507 --> 01:21:06,907
Speaker 3: Wellah, it seems like it seems like a light thing

1588
01:21:06,987 --> 01:21:11,427
Speaker 3: for Libby to do, to facilitate and you with one

1589
01:21:11,467 --> 01:21:13,707
Speaker 3: of the one of the biggest stars in the world.

1590
01:21:14,147 --> 01:21:16,387
Speaker 3: I look, I think we should get the wheels in

1591
01:21:16,467 --> 01:21:18,667
Speaker 3: motion for it, James. I think we should make it

1592
01:21:18,747 --> 01:21:20,187
Speaker 3: happen or at least attempt it.

1593
01:21:21,147 --> 01:21:23,387
Speaker 15: Yeah, it would be rather nice, but I mean, let's

1594
01:21:23,427 --> 01:21:26,147
Speaker 15: just make sure that the Phoenix have got a couple

1595
01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:28,347
Speaker 15: of players over the age of twenty this year. I

1596
01:21:28,467 --> 01:21:31,227
Speaker 15: am a bit concerned how young that team might be.

1597
01:21:32,307 --> 01:21:35,787
Speaker 15: It is because we know cost has gone. But it

1598
01:21:35,867 --> 01:21:37,827
Speaker 15: was actually really good to see it. An incredible saved

1599
01:21:37,867 --> 01:21:42,267
Speaker 15: by Olayemu, the goalkeeper who copped him with a flat

1600
01:21:42,347 --> 01:21:45,107
Speaker 15: last year, and he is he does give your heart palpitations,

1601
01:21:45,107 --> 01:21:48,067
Speaker 15: but there's some talent still there at the next Good on.

1602
01:21:48,147 --> 01:21:51,227
Speaker 3: You, James loving the city mate, sad to leave. Let's

1603
01:21:51,267 --> 01:21:52,707
Speaker 3: chat again next Sunday, shall.

1604
01:21:52,507 --> 01:21:54,747
Speaker 15: We lovely look forward to it?

1605
01:21:55,147 --> 01:21:56,907
Speaker 8: Go to Tron, Go to Tron.

1606
01:21:57,027 --> 01:21:59,307
Speaker 3: James McConney, big part of our Sundays on News Talks.

1607
01:21:59,347 --> 01:22:00,547
Speaker 3: He'd be seven to two.

1608
01:22:02,707 --> 01:22:05,427
Speaker 1: From the track, Fields and the Court on your Home

1609
01:22:05,467 --> 01:22:09,347
Speaker 1: of Lord Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News Talks.

1610
01:22:09,107 --> 01:22:12,787
Speaker 3: AB four to two After two. Olivia McTaggart's on the show.

1611
01:22:12,867 --> 01:22:15,387
Speaker 3: She's cleared four point seven to three meters overnight in

1612
01:22:15,467 --> 01:22:17,747
Speaker 3: London to win the Diamond League event there. It's a

1613
01:22:17,787 --> 01:22:20,667
Speaker 3: pb for her. We'll chat to her. Jordan Natai out

1614
01:22:20,667 --> 01:22:22,987
Speaker 3: of the Wellington Saints the National Basketball League final this

1615
01:22:23,107 --> 01:22:26,467
Speaker 3: afternoon against the Southland Sharks. The Phoenix been in Wrexham,

1616
01:22:26,787 --> 01:22:29,867
Speaker 3: as we just discussed with James mcconey Chris Greenacre, assistant

1617
01:22:29,947 --> 01:22:34,707
Speaker 3: coach on that and the World University Games are currently

1618
01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:38,547
Speaker 3: on in Germany. We have an eighty four strong team

1619
01:22:39,067 --> 01:22:42,827
Speaker 3: representing US. Chefter mission Evelyn and Williamson after two o'clock

1620
01:22:42,907 --> 01:22:43,267
Speaker 3: as well.

1621
01:22:44,307 --> 01:22:48,467
Speaker 1: The only plays for the big names, the big issues,

1622
01:22:49,267 --> 01:22:54,147
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1623
01:22:54,307 --> 01:22:58,067
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vime on your home of Sport

1624
01:22:58,547 --> 01:22:59,427
Speaker 1: News Talks at B.

1625
01:23:00,587 --> 01:23:02,747
Speaker 3: Two o seven. Welcome back to the show, Welcome into

1626
01:23:02,747 --> 01:23:04,667
Speaker 3: the show. Weekend Sport on News Talks here B Jason

1627
01:23:04,747 --> 01:23:06,947
Speaker 3: Vine with Adam McDonnell or we're into the home stretch,

1628
01:23:07,027 --> 01:23:10,227
Speaker 3: but will sprint down the sprint down the strait. A

1629
01:23:10,307 --> 01:23:13,707
Speaker 3: number of guests to get to basketball shortly. Jordan Artaei

1630
01:23:14,027 --> 01:23:16,627
Speaker 3: out of the Wellington Saints National Basketball League Final. Coming

1631
01:23:16,707 --> 01:23:20,427
Speaker 3: up shortly. Olivia McTaggart, who beat her personal best in

1632
01:23:20,467 --> 01:23:22,947
Speaker 3: the pole vault at the Diamond League event in London

1633
01:23:23,027 --> 01:23:26,707
Speaker 3: overnight and won the event in a star studded field.

1634
01:23:26,787 --> 01:23:28,547
Speaker 3: She's going to join us. Chris Greenacre out of the

1635
01:23:28,587 --> 01:23:32,787
Speaker 3: Wellington Phoenix. He's the reserve team coach, but yesterday basically

1636
01:23:32,907 --> 01:23:35,267
Speaker 3: coached the team in the second half against Wrexham because

1637
01:23:35,867 --> 01:23:38,947
Speaker 3: they threw on ten youngsters in the second half and

1638
01:23:39,067 --> 01:23:42,227
Speaker 3: they got the job done beating Wrexham. So Chris Greenacre

1639
01:23:42,307 --> 01:23:44,947
Speaker 3: on the Show and the World University Games are on.

1640
01:23:45,707 --> 01:23:49,627
Speaker 3: More than eighty university students representing New Zealand there in

1641
01:23:49,827 --> 01:23:54,227
Speaker 3: a variety of different codes. Chef de Mission Evelyn Williamson

1642
01:23:54,467 --> 01:23:56,587
Speaker 3: is with us on that. So quite a bit to

1643
01:23:56,627 --> 01:23:59,027
Speaker 3: get through. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty remains

1644
01:23:59,027 --> 01:24:00,867
Speaker 3: our phone number nine two nine to two on text

1645
01:24:00,907 --> 01:24:03,427
Speaker 3: if you'd like to correspond in that fashion. But as

1646
01:24:03,467 --> 01:24:05,987
Speaker 3: we took towards eight pass two, as we always do it,

1647
01:24:06,027 --> 01:24:09,107
Speaker 3: this time I'm on Weekend Sport. It's time to catch

1648
01:24:09,147 --> 01:24:11,147
Speaker 3: you up. We know that some people are here just

1649
01:24:11,267 --> 01:24:16,027
Speaker 3: for this, just to find out what's happened in places

1650
01:24:16,067 --> 01:24:18,547
Speaker 3: outside of their consciousness over the last twenty four hours.

1651
01:24:18,587 --> 01:24:21,867
Speaker 3: We'll start with right by League, the Raiders blitzing Paramatta

1652
01:24:22,027 --> 01:24:24,307
Speaker 3: to stay at the top of the NRL ledder. I

1653
01:24:24,427 --> 01:24:27,827
Speaker 3: beat with the ball for the Raiders. He's thirty five

1654
01:24:27,907 --> 01:24:34,907
Speaker 3: away from the lining. It's gonna be another wind. Want

1655
01:24:34,987 --> 01:24:40,467
Speaker 3: to do a doll a forty sixteen route in Canberra. Meantime,

1656
01:24:40,507 --> 01:24:43,227
Speaker 3: the Bulldog stayed in second place with a late win

1657
01:24:43,427 --> 01:24:44,187
Speaker 3: over the Dragons.

1658
01:24:44,467 --> 01:24:45,787
Speaker 2: Cav It's past.

1659
01:24:47,787 --> 01:24:48,907
Speaker 3: Hi.

1660
01:24:49,907 --> 01:24:51,787
Speaker 13: You wouldn't believe that the kid.

1661
01:24:53,307 --> 01:24:55,547
Speaker 3: He comes up to the biggest play in the game

1662
01:24:56,427 --> 01:24:56,947
Speaker 3: and has.

1663
01:24:56,867 --> 01:25:03,347
Speaker 5: Jever who he's over the he is second game who

1664
01:25:03,547 --> 01:25:04,667
Speaker 5: took he's ac.

1665
01:25:05,387 --> 01:25:08,707
Speaker 3: And he has twein eighteen for the Bulldogs over the Dragons.

1666
01:25:09,227 --> 01:25:10,747
Speaker 3: They stay ahead of the storm. On the latter they

1667
01:25:10,787 --> 01:25:13,827
Speaker 3: went down eighteen sixteen at home to the Sea Eagles.

1668
01:25:14,227 --> 01:25:17,987
Speaker 3: Across to rugby Union, a tighter affair than expected perhaps

1669
01:25:18,027 --> 01:25:20,867
Speaker 3: on the scoreboard, but a strong starts for the British

1670
01:25:20,867 --> 01:25:22,787
Speaker 3: and Irish Lions to a first Test went over the

1671
01:25:22,827 --> 01:25:25,667
Speaker 3: Wallabies in Brisbane. This a bit of dreams start to

1672
01:25:25,747 --> 01:25:28,787
Speaker 3: the second half to the many red thrones.

1673
01:25:28,867 --> 01:25:34,307
Speaker 15: There for Curry, we read this scene Thursday in the corner.

1674
01:25:37,147 --> 01:25:41,627
Speaker 3: Final score twenty seven nineteen for the visitor's heartbreak. Meantime

1675
01:25:41,707 --> 01:25:45,107
Speaker 3: for the Baby Blacks and the Under twenty Rugby World

1676
01:25:45,187 --> 01:25:48,907
Speaker 3: Cup final. He decides to go blindside. He's going to

1677
01:25:49,027 --> 01:25:52,147
Speaker 3: kick pass again and they're on tour at s Killome

1678
01:25:52,187 --> 01:26:00,587
Speaker 3: on mansu at South Africa, very well.

1679
01:26:00,507 --> 01:26:03,467
Speaker 23: Have wrapped up that twenty twenty five on.

1680
01:26:03,587 --> 01:26:06,947
Speaker 3: The twenty's final and died by a score line of

1681
01:26:06,987 --> 01:26:10,507
Speaker 3: twenty three points to fifteen to Golf's Open Championship. Some

1682
01:26:10,827 --> 01:26:15,107
Speaker 3: sublime golf from Rory McElroy shot him up the leaderboard.

1683
01:26:15,467 --> 01:26:17,547
Speaker 20: This must built fifty feet or soap.

1684
01:26:19,667 --> 01:26:21,587
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a tough one to get everything just right.

1685
01:26:22,987 --> 01:26:24,907
Speaker 3: It gave this pen a huge amount of respect.

1686
01:26:25,947 --> 01:26:27,747
Speaker 2: The book crossed the hell should get a bit of

1687
01:26:27,787 --> 01:26:28,107
Speaker 2: peace in.

1688
01:26:28,187 --> 01:26:32,147
Speaker 3: Your num No did you eat it?

1689
01:26:36,827 --> 01:26:41,267
Speaker 16: The there's a rule the rules across this course like

1690
01:26:41,387 --> 01:26:44,827
Speaker 16: a wave eagle from my prize seven under.

1691
01:26:44,747 --> 01:26:48,547
Speaker 3: Wood and five yeah, a five under round eight under

1692
01:26:48,587 --> 01:26:52,307
Speaker 3: for the championship are still six strokes back from Scottie Sheffler,

1693
01:26:52,587 --> 01:26:54,787
Speaker 3: who has a four strope lead over the field at

1694
01:26:54,907 --> 01:26:58,987
Speaker 3: fourteen under the card and Alexander Usik once again confirming

1695
01:26:59,107 --> 01:27:03,987
Speaker 3: he is boxing's heavy weight king as the round, whereas.

1696
01:27:03,787 --> 01:27:08,867
Speaker 5: Dreams came through okay, stage, well they turney to what Nayman.

1697
01:27:10,707 --> 01:27:30,227
Speaker 2: Big right here this time when it's down to the line.

1698
01:27:30,507 --> 01:27:35,187
Speaker 1: You made a call on eighty Weekend Sport with Jason

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Speaker 1: Pine News Talks.

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Speaker 3: B eleven minutes past two, the twenty twenty five New

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Speaker 3: Zealand National Basketball League Final comes up this afternoon. Wellington

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Speaker 3: Saints the Southland Sharks a two thirty tip off at

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Speaker 3: TSB Bank Arena in Wellington. Jordan Naai with us out

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Speaker 3: of the Wellington Saints camp, Jordan, you beat the Five

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Speaker 3: convincingly in the semifinals by ninety three points to sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: What were you and the team most pleased about that night?

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Speaker 11: I think just the focus mindset that we had. I mean,

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Speaker 11: we had a good week leading up to the our

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Speaker 11: prep was good or the boys were focused, and then

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Speaker 11: I think it just kind of gave us an extra

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Speaker 11: confidence into the game.

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Speaker 3: That was your eighth strike win as well. So if

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Speaker 3: you look back over the last couple of months, what

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Speaker 3: do you put your consistency down to.

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Speaker 11: I think it's just our day that they work, honestly,

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Speaker 11: Like it might sound a bit cliche, but our process

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Speaker 11: leading up to each and every game has been pretty

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Speaker 11: on point, Like what is it coming in early doing issues?

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Speaker 11: If they need getting what they need to get their

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Speaker 11: bodies right. So I think that's been like the biggest thing.

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Speaker 11: But then also us just figuring out a game plan

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Speaker 11: is sticking to it and you look.

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Speaker 3: At the stats and the Saints don't have anyone and

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Speaker 3: the top ten average scorers across the league across the season.

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Speaker 3: So does that speak to a genuine shared scoring responsibility

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Speaker 3: across the team?

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Speaker 15: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 11: I think for us, like I think I said in

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Speaker 11: other interviews as where like we have one guy that

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Speaker 11: can go off kind of every different night, like are

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Speaker 11: going to be my night?

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Speaker 8: Every single night?

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Speaker 11: It could be Isaiah's, it could be Nick Marshalls, Like

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Speaker 11: we've got we've got that talented of a group where

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Speaker 11: it could be anyone's night, and then for us it's

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Speaker 11: our jobs to kind of keep that flowing and get

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Speaker 11: them the ball when it is that person's night. But

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Speaker 11: it also goes to show just how talented each individual is.

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Speaker 3: And down the other end of the court, how much

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Speaker 3: focus do you place on defense?

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Speaker 11: I think for us it's something that we try to

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Speaker 11: hang our hat on. Like I think some of our

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Speaker 11: best wins have been have started started on a defensive end,

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Speaker 11: Like we talked about the semi final where we held

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Speaker 11: the fire who's a very talented team and they shoot

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Speaker 11: the war really well, but we were able to hold

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Speaker 11: in to sixtend point. So it's something we definitely hold

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Speaker 11: our heads on, but it's also something that can we

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Speaker 11: can kind of see if things aren't going to well,

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Speaker 11: we know we know where we need to get back to.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Sharks, your opposition in the final.

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Speaker 3: How wary are you of them, particularly after they went

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Speaker 3: to christ Church beat the double defending champion Rams last

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Speaker 3: weekend that was their ninth win in a row. How

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Speaker 3: you know, how weary are you of the threat that

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Speaker 3: they will provide.

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't say we're too worried in the sense, but

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Speaker 11: we are like concerned that we can't come out lexadaisically

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Speaker 11: against them. They are a very talented team. We don't

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Speaker 11: want to underestimate them. But for us, it's just more

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Speaker 11: or less doubling down on what we do best and

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Speaker 11: kind of focusing more on what we do. Then it

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Speaker 11: is worrying about what the Shafts do, because I feel

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Speaker 11: like if we get caught up in that, then it

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Speaker 11: can take us down another wormhole and all these things.

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Speaker 11: So I think if we just kind of stick to

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Speaker 11: what's been working for us, I think that's even better.

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Speaker 11: But we just can't come into the game underestimating them, because,

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Speaker 11: like I said, They are a very talented team that

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Speaker 11: have some talented players that can have big nights, and

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Speaker 11: I think that's what we've got to be more concerned.

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Speaker 3: You've beaten them a couple of times this season, Is

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Speaker 3: there anything that is useful from regular season games or

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Speaker 3: are knockout basketball matches just an entirely different prospect.

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Speaker 11: I think it's just a totally different prospect. Like it's

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Speaker 11: just the one and done type thing, right, you don't

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Speaker 11: get a second chance that then, Whereas in the regular season,

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Speaker 11: if you play them game one, you know that you're

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Speaker 11: going to play them later down in the season and

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Speaker 11: they could improve. Like for me, I haven't played them

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Speaker 11: this season. This would be my first time and who knows,

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Speaker 11: it could be it could be the night that we

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Speaker 11: have we celebrate, or could be a night that we

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Speaker 11: kind of look back and like, well, they changed so

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Speaker 11: much during the regular season that they were able to improve.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, how much do you reckon? The rapid

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Speaker 3: league has helped the development and the depth of the

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Speaker 3: National Basketball League.

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Speaker 11: For me, I think it's been one of the best

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Speaker 11: things that's happened. Like you see a couple of our

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Speaker 11: guys that have that have really grown through the rapidly

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Speaker 11: because they've been able to get game live reps, they've

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Speaker 11: been able to shoup to practice consistently and work at it,

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Speaker 11: and I think it's been one of the best things

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Speaker 11: that's happened to this league personally, and not just looking

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Speaker 11: at our guys, but also looking at other teams players

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Speaker 11: of the young talent as well.

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Speaker 7: I think it can only just get better from there.

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Speaker 3: You've played a lot of basketball Jordan for a lot

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Speaker 3: of different teams, but does your hometown team, the Wellington Saints,

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Speaker 3: still hold a special place for you.

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Speaker 11: Oh, for sure. I think it's it's even more so

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Speaker 11: because I am from here. They are the team that

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Speaker 11: I kind of came up through developing. I've known the

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Speaker 11: Mills Familey since I kind of started basketball, so they've

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Speaker 11: been a big help for me through my career. So

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Speaker 11: I think it would always hold that special place in

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Speaker 11: my career and in my heart.

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Speaker 3: And following this year off to the Fever Asia Cup

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Speaker 3: and Jeter with the Tall Blacks, preceded by the Solidarity

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Speaker 3: Cup and Four Nations Tournament and China and for the

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Speaker 3: first time in your twelve year Tall Blacks career, you'll

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Speaker 3: be captain. Was there something you were expecting.

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Speaker 15: Honestly, not really.

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Speaker 11: I've been saying like they probably just gave it to

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Speaker 11: the old grumpy guy on the team. But it's definitely

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Speaker 11: been an honor. It's something that I'm definitely proud to hold.

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Speaker 11: I've had some great lead is to learn from my

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Speaker 11: five years with the Tall Blacks. So I think for me,

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Speaker 11: it's just kind of not reinventing anything different and just

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Speaker 11: kind of sticking to what I what I know. And

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Speaker 11: I think it's also just giving the other guys more

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Speaker 11: more of a voice as well, Like it's not just me,

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Speaker 11: like I do have the captaincy hat, but we are

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Speaker 11: everyone has a voice in this team.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, what are your ambitions for the Asia Cup?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 11: For me, it's obviously to win and to get gold,

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Speaker 11: but also on top of that, like I want to

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Speaker 11: get as high as possible seed as we can because

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Speaker 11: that's only just going to help us get to the

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Speaker 11: World Cup and that could just get another stepping stone

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Speaker 11: to hopefully the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's all ahead. The immediate point of business for

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Speaker 3: you is the National Basketball League Final. Is that your

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Speaker 3: little girl who wears the headphones down one end and

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Speaker 3: then comes on to see you afterwards.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's my little girl.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know she'll be there supporting dad on the

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Speaker 3: weekend as well. Jordan, great to chat mate. We'll look

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Speaker 3: forward to seeing how you get on against Southeast.

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Speaker 8: Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you chatting to us. Jordan Nattai out

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Speaker 3: of the Wellington Saints. They take on the Southland Sharks

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Speaker 3: this afternoon two thirty tip off at TSB Bank Arena

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Speaker 3: in Wellington in the New Zealand National Basketball League Final

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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five bang On eighteen past two weekend

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Speaker 3: sport poul vaulter Olivia McTaggart has vaulted a personal beast overnight.

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Speaker 24: Back to this pole ball then and the bar still

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Speaker 24: at four seventy three. Remember nobody clear out the first

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Speaker 24: attempt at all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, now we have somebody over.

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Speaker 24: Olivia McTaggart at the second time of asking goes clear

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Speaker 24: and is now the competition leader here. And that is

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Speaker 24: a superb clearance for Olivia McTaggart. It's a lifetime best

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Speaker 24: as well in difficult conditions.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what a time to produce.

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Speaker 2: Your best ever effort.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely four point seven to three meters for Olivia McTaggart

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Speaker 3: two centimeters better than her previous be and good enough

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Speaker 3: to win the London Diamond League event. Olivia McTaggart is

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Speaker 3: with us. How does it congratulations? First of all? How

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Speaker 3: does it feel to clear a new personal best height

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Speaker 3: and claim victory in such a big event?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely incredible. Honestly, that's probably aside from World Champs obviously,

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Speaker 13: but that would be one of the competitions that's really

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Speaker 13: up there to want to excel at and to win

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Speaker 13: it was just even more than a cherry on top.

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Speaker 13: I knew that height has been there for a long time.

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Speaker 25: But to win the whole thing is wild.

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Speaker 7: I'm so so happy.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel like did this feel like it was

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Speaker 3: coming going into this event? I think you cleared four

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Speaker 3: seventy one about a week ago, didn't you?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, so four days ago.

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Speaker 13: So I've done two seventies and four days and I

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Speaker 13: definitely saw the seventy three coming. To be quite honest

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Speaker 13: with you, I've believed in that height for a long

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Speaker 13: time and I've just stay consistent. My training has been

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Speaker 13: going amazing, so everything has really been pointing towards these heights.

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Speaker 13: But to do it and to win this just yeah, extra.

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Speaker 25: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: Did you know on the way up that you were

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Speaker 3: going to clear it?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think I knew that if I stuck to

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Speaker 13: my cues, and I knew as soon as I took

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Speaker 13: off that was a good takeoff. And then I just

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Speaker 13: had to really get in the tube upside down and

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Speaker 13: then going over the bar nice and clean. My four

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Speaker 13: seventy one a few days ago wasn't as clean. I

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Speaker 13: got a little bit of bar love, a little bit

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Speaker 13: of a wobble on it. But this was clear, and

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Speaker 13: I was just over the moon.

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Speaker 3: What is that feeling like as you're over and I

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Speaker 3: mean it's only a second or two on the way down,

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Speaker 3: I know, But do you feel or what do you

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Speaker 3: feel at that moment?

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Speaker 13: Ah?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean a lot of it.

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Speaker 13: How I feel is what you see when I'm on

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Speaker 13: the mat, and so there's a few photos that really

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Speaker 13: encapsulate that moment.

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Speaker 8: For me.

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Speaker 13: I'm someone that really wears my heart on my sleeve,

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Speaker 13: and that's why I do. When I'm out there competing,

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Speaker 13: I'm my most vulnerable and kind of the most self myself.

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Speaker 13: I am, so yeah, just being out there and hitting

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Speaker 13: the mat knowing that I did that I think I

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Speaker 13: let out a bit of a bit of a scream

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Speaker 13: saying come on.

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Speaker 25: So yeah, it's pretty.

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Speaker 3: Great, absolutely justified. Now I'll see you missed your first

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01:37:14,947 --> 01:37:16,667
Speaker 3: attempt at four forty five. Were you just sort of

1915
01:37:16,707 --> 01:37:17,147
Speaker 3: warming up?

1916
01:37:17,667 --> 01:37:19,787
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was just warming up into it. My first attempt,

1917
01:37:20,147 --> 01:37:21,867
Speaker 13: I did what was called a blow through, which means

1918
01:37:21,907 --> 01:37:24,227
Speaker 13: you've made the pole too soft. So it literally just

1919
01:37:24,347 --> 01:37:25,947
Speaker 13: meant I did a great jump and I just had

1920
01:37:25,987 --> 01:37:28,587
Speaker 13: to go up to the next pole. So sometimes that happens,

1921
01:37:28,627 --> 01:37:30,587
Speaker 13: and that's just a sport of pole vault. But yeah,

1922
01:37:30,587 --> 01:37:32,387
Speaker 13: I was able to execute on that second attempt.

1923
01:37:32,787 --> 01:37:35,707
Speaker 3: And was it quite wet there as well? Did I see?

1924
01:37:36,507 --> 01:37:37,547
Speaker 25: It was a little bit wet.

1925
01:37:37,587 --> 01:37:40,787
Speaker 13: Pretty much the whole day it was raining. For a

1926
01:37:40,867 --> 01:37:43,107
Speaker 13: warm up, we got pretty lucky, and then as soon

1927
01:37:43,147 --> 01:37:46,547
Speaker 13: as we had our presentation it started raining again. So

1928
01:37:46,707 --> 01:37:49,107
Speaker 13: for my first attempts at thirty and maybe a little

1929
01:37:49,107 --> 01:37:50,827
Speaker 13: bit at forty five, it was raining, but then after

1930
01:37:50,907 --> 01:37:52,747
Speaker 13: that it cleared up quite a bit and.

1931
01:37:53,067 --> 01:37:55,947
Speaker 3: Just back to the to the victory itself. Olivia, you

1932
01:37:56,067 --> 01:37:58,467
Speaker 3: know this is a quality field. You know, Katie Moon's

1933
01:37:58,507 --> 01:38:01,707
Speaker 3: in the field. Molly Cordery, the Hometown Girls in the field.

1934
01:38:01,787 --> 01:38:05,627
Speaker 3: To beat vaulters like that, that must be extremely satisfying.

1935
01:38:05,707 --> 01:38:08,307
Speaker 13: Is it very satisfying? So I went into this competition

1936
01:38:08,387 --> 01:38:11,667
Speaker 13: the lowest ranked, with the lowest PB, and I knew

1937
01:38:11,707 --> 01:38:12,907
Speaker 13: it was a little I was a little bit of

1938
01:38:12,907 --> 01:38:16,027
Speaker 13: an underdog going into it, but secretly I kind of

1939
01:38:16,147 --> 01:38:18,827
Speaker 13: like that. So to come through and do that PB

1940
01:38:18,947 --> 01:38:20,547
Speaker 13: and do it on the second attempt just goes to

1941
01:38:20,627 --> 01:38:23,667
Speaker 13: show that those first and second attempts make a huge difference.

1942
01:38:23,707 --> 01:38:25,267
Speaker 13: So I've always known that. But I used to be

1943
01:38:25,267 --> 01:38:27,867
Speaker 13: a third attempt jumper, and now we're putting that old

1944
01:38:27,947 --> 01:38:30,627
Speaker 13: Livy in the grave and coming out this season as

1945
01:38:30,627 --> 01:38:31,147
Speaker 13: a new Livy.

1946
01:38:31,427 --> 01:38:34,027
Speaker 3: So what does that look like in terms of your preparation,

1947
01:38:34,907 --> 01:38:40,227
Speaker 3: mental and physical, in terms of becoming a second clearance

1948
01:38:40,787 --> 01:38:44,027
Speaker 3: jumper rather than leaving it till the very last attempt.

1949
01:38:44,427 --> 01:38:46,187
Speaker 13: It's taken a lot. To be quite honest with you,

1950
01:38:46,267 --> 01:38:48,227
Speaker 13: I haven't. I didn't have the most amazing start to

1951
01:38:48,267 --> 01:38:50,147
Speaker 13: the season. I had a thirty or forty. I had

1952
01:38:50,187 --> 01:38:54,627
Speaker 13: a sixty, had a good place to jump. About two

1953
01:38:54,787 --> 01:38:56,427
Speaker 13: two and a half weeks ago, I was in Paris

1954
01:38:56,507 --> 01:38:59,787
Speaker 13: and after the competition I was got really emotional and

1955
01:38:59,907 --> 01:39:01,227
Speaker 13: just had a bit of a cry and was like,

1956
01:39:01,707 --> 01:39:03,707
Speaker 13: why why is this not coming together? I know that

1957
01:39:03,787 --> 01:39:05,987
Speaker 13: it's here, I know that it's coming, but why can

1958
01:39:06,027 --> 01:39:08,787
Speaker 13: I not a clicking comp And physically I've been there

1959
01:39:08,827 --> 01:39:11,547
Speaker 13: one hundred percent, So it's mentally in the last probably

1960
01:39:12,227 --> 01:39:17,067
Speaker 13: four competitions, I've really turned a corner and believed myself

1961
01:39:17,187 --> 01:39:21,427
Speaker 13: more and just executed real commitment in my jumps.

1962
01:39:21,867 --> 01:39:24,027
Speaker 3: Well onwards from here. And the other cherry on top

1963
01:39:24,067 --> 01:39:26,867
Speaker 3: of course, is this qualifies you for the World Champs

1964
01:39:27,227 --> 01:39:30,067
Speaker 3: in Tokyo in September. So how big a box to

1965
01:39:30,107 --> 01:39:30,547
Speaker 3: tick is that?

1966
01:39:31,827 --> 01:39:34,587
Speaker 13: Oh it's great, It's really great, to be quite honest

1967
01:39:34,627 --> 01:39:34,867
Speaker 13: with you.

1968
01:39:34,987 --> 01:39:38,627
Speaker 25: We've already booked my flight brilliantly. We're with that confident.

1969
01:39:38,827 --> 01:39:40,747
Speaker 13: But also I just knew i'd be in the top

1970
01:39:41,027 --> 01:39:43,587
Speaker 13: I think it was thirty six girls and currently I'm

1971
01:39:43,627 --> 01:39:45,627
Speaker 13: ranked twentieth, so we had to get onto that early.

1972
01:39:46,587 --> 01:39:49,267
Speaker 13: But to get the I mean that's a world standard

1973
01:39:49,547 --> 01:39:51,867
Speaker 13: and the last time I did that was in Budapez

1974
01:39:51,907 --> 01:39:55,587
Speaker 13: twenty twenty three. So yeah, it's just again just another

1975
01:39:55,627 --> 01:39:56,867
Speaker 13: box tick fantastic.

1976
01:39:56,907 --> 01:39:58,507
Speaker 3: So what that's a couple of months away? So what

1977
01:39:59,187 --> 01:40:01,507
Speaker 3: lies ahead for you between now and the World Champs.

1978
01:40:01,907 --> 01:40:05,547
Speaker 13: So I've got about three weeks off competitions now. I've

1979
01:40:05,627 --> 01:40:07,827
Speaker 13: had a good extint of traveling and being on the

1980
01:40:07,907 --> 01:40:12,147
Speaker 13: road and getting competitions in for the last probably six weeks,

1981
01:40:12,627 --> 01:40:13,987
Speaker 13: and so now a little bit of time to just

1982
01:40:14,747 --> 01:40:18,027
Speaker 13: keep training through, building that consistency, working on my jump,

1983
01:40:18,147 --> 01:40:22,067
Speaker 13: getting my speed in, and then in August I'll probably

1984
01:40:22,187 --> 01:40:25,707
Speaker 13: do four competitions all around the place, and then we'll

1985
01:40:25,747 --> 01:40:28,187
Speaker 13: head into pre camp early September after Tokyo.

1986
01:40:28,987 --> 01:40:31,027
Speaker 3: Fantastic news for as aort of wake up to over

1987
01:40:31,107 --> 01:40:33,987
Speaker 3: here this morning, Olivia. Diamond League champion and a new

1988
01:40:34,067 --> 01:40:36,227
Speaker 3: PB for you of four point seventy three meters. I

1989
01:40:36,307 --> 01:40:37,787
Speaker 3: know this more to come as well. Thanks so much

1990
01:40:37,787 --> 01:40:40,467
Speaker 3: for chatting to us. All right, thank you so much, No,

1991
01:40:40,627 --> 01:40:43,707
Speaker 3: thank you for joining us, Olivia, Olivia mctaggett. For me

1992
01:40:43,787 --> 01:40:46,107
Speaker 3: to seventy three and more to come, you'd have to think.

1993
01:40:46,507 --> 01:40:49,107
Speaker 3: And a winner at the Diamond League event in London

1994
01:40:49,307 --> 01:40:52,427
Speaker 3: overnight two twenty five. Let's take a break. When we

1995
01:40:52,467 --> 01:40:54,947
Speaker 3: come back, it's to football. The Wellington Phoenix with a

1996
01:40:55,267 --> 01:40:58,987
Speaker 3: morale boosting win over Wrexham one nill in their pre

1997
01:40:59,107 --> 01:41:02,347
Speaker 3: season football friendly in the Capital yesterday. The team's inter

1998
01:41:02,667 --> 01:41:04,547
Speaker 3: assistant coach Chris Greenacre after this.

1999
01:41:06,787 --> 01:41:10,467
Speaker 2: Just a game Weekend Sport with Jason nine and GJ.

2000
01:41:10,667 --> 01:41:14,227
Speaker 1: Gunnohomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs and.

2001
01:41:14,347 --> 01:41:17,187
Speaker 3: Be coming up to twenty eight. Great occasion in the

2002
01:41:17,267 --> 01:41:20,827
Speaker 3: Capitol yesterday with twenty five thousand turning up to watch

2003
01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:24,707
Speaker 3: the Wellington Phoenix beat Wrexham one nill in their preseason

2004
01:41:24,787 --> 01:41:27,867
Speaker 3: football friendly at Sky Stadium. Phoenix right on the edge

2005
01:41:27,867 --> 01:41:31,187
Speaker 3: of the box. That's time the truss. Is a good

2006
01:41:31,907 --> 01:41:33,387
Speaker 3: moment for the Phoenix.

2007
01:41:35,147 --> 01:41:36,147
Speaker 2: Loo Flower do.

2008
01:41:38,227 --> 01:41:41,667
Speaker 23: What a moment for the young man. Didn't think it

2009
01:41:41,747 --> 01:41:42,907
Speaker 23: was going to quite get to it. It was a

2010
01:41:42,987 --> 01:41:45,387
Speaker 23: great little bit of play down the left hand side

2011
01:41:45,587 --> 01:41:48,147
Speaker 23: and it's a fantastic ball. She just sat out of

2012
01:41:48,147 --> 01:41:50,587
Speaker 23: the reach of the goalkeeper. I don't quite know what

2013
01:41:50,667 --> 01:41:51,947
Speaker 23: he did with it, did he get a touch.

2014
01:41:51,827 --> 01:41:52,307
Speaker 13: On it at all?

2015
01:41:53,267 --> 01:41:56,427
Speaker 23: But Flower two is there to do the rest and

2016
01:41:56,547 --> 01:41:58,867
Speaker 23: that will be one he will remember for a hell

2017
01:41:58,907 --> 01:41:59,547
Speaker 23: of a long time.

2018
01:42:00,227 --> 01:42:03,067
Speaker 3: Indeed it will be not many would have known the

2019
01:42:03,187 --> 01:42:07,147
Speaker 3: name yesterday, A few more do today. Luke Flower scoring

2020
01:42:07,227 --> 01:42:09,187
Speaker 3: the winner for the Phoenix early in the second half.

2021
01:42:09,547 --> 01:42:13,667
Speaker 3: He was one of ten outfield changes at halftime, as

2022
01:42:13,747 --> 01:42:16,307
Speaker 3: the club's youngsters were given the opportunity to play the

2023
01:42:16,347 --> 01:42:20,387
Speaker 3: biggest forty five minutes of most of their careers. Former

2024
01:42:20,667 --> 01:42:24,427
Speaker 3: Phoenix striker Chris Greenacre is now Phoenix reserve team coach.

2025
01:42:24,827 --> 01:42:28,307
Speaker 3: He was interim assistant coach for yesterday's game and actually

2026
01:42:28,787 --> 01:42:31,827
Speaker 3: took charge in the second half because he knows the

2027
01:42:31,907 --> 01:42:34,347
Speaker 3: club's young players so very well. He joins us now

2028
01:42:34,947 --> 01:42:37,907
Speaker 3: Greenny Congratulations on the win. What was your message to

2029
01:42:37,987 --> 01:42:40,507
Speaker 3: these young players as you sent them out for the

2030
01:42:40,587 --> 01:42:41,307
Speaker 3: second half.

2031
01:42:42,667 --> 01:42:43,347
Speaker 7: Thanks, Painy.

2032
01:42:44,587 --> 01:42:47,587
Speaker 26: I think the week it was important that we kept

2033
01:42:47,627 --> 01:42:51,507
Speaker 26: it as low key as possible. We probably did less

2034
01:42:51,547 --> 01:42:55,667
Speaker 26: preparation in terms of Wrexham because it was important that

2035
01:42:55,827 --> 01:42:59,547
Speaker 26: we kept the focus on the players and all the

2036
01:42:59,667 --> 01:43:03,107
Speaker 26: hype and the social media around the game, and rightly so,

2037
01:43:03,307 --> 01:43:05,787
Speaker 26: it was huge for them, and it was just trying

2038
01:43:05,827 --> 01:43:07,427
Speaker 26: to take the pre shot as much as we could.

2039
01:43:07,507 --> 01:43:11,787
Speaker 26: And yeah, we just tried to keep keep everyone nice

2040
01:43:11,827 --> 01:43:16,387
Speaker 26: and relaxed and more excited I suppose about the opportunity again,

2041
01:43:16,467 --> 01:43:19,227
Speaker 26: not trying to overall them because you know, the the

2042
01:43:19,427 --> 01:43:22,827
Speaker 26: enormity of the challenge obviously, can you know, could hurt

2043
01:43:23,027 --> 01:43:24,747
Speaker 26: could harm them, So you know it was it was

2044
01:43:24,787 --> 01:43:28,027
Speaker 26: a relaxed, you know process leading into the game.

2045
01:43:28,627 --> 01:43:30,987
Speaker 3: So when you reflect on that second half in particular,

2046
01:43:31,107 --> 01:43:33,667
Speaker 3: what what do you take greatest pride from?

2047
01:43:34,627 --> 01:43:36,587
Speaker 26: I think it's the way that the boys kind of

2048
01:43:36,627 --> 01:43:39,627
Speaker 26: went after Wrexham. We said from the kickoff that we

2049
01:43:39,707 --> 01:43:41,187
Speaker 26: were we were just going to get the ball down

2050
01:43:41,227 --> 01:43:44,267
Speaker 26: and play, not playing to sort of their strengths, which

2051
01:43:44,307 --> 01:43:46,827
Speaker 26: is their their height and their strength and their experience,

2052
01:43:46,947 --> 01:43:49,107
Speaker 26: and and from the kickoff we just got the ball

2053
01:43:49,187 --> 01:43:51,947
Speaker 26: down and played and tried to get as many players

2054
01:43:51,947 --> 01:43:55,267
Speaker 26: as possible on the ball. I think it's beyond everyone's

2055
01:43:55,307 --> 01:43:58,107
Speaker 26: wildest dreams that we would we would score so early.

2056
01:43:59,347 --> 01:44:02,467
Speaker 26: You know, we'd recognize some of the movement patterns in

2057
01:44:02,547 --> 01:44:05,667
Speaker 26: our process of how Rexham defended, and we got down

2058
01:44:05,667 --> 01:44:07,787
Speaker 26: the left hand side and Ryan Lee's put a great

2059
01:44:07,827 --> 01:44:10,387
Speaker 26: crossing and we had a few few numbers in the

2060
01:44:10,467 --> 01:44:13,707
Speaker 26: box and had a little bit of luck, but we

2061
01:44:13,907 --> 01:44:17,227
Speaker 26: we knew we could get opportunities and you just kind

2062
01:44:17,267 --> 01:44:20,707
Speaker 26: of hope that you take it. And thankfully Luke flowered

2063
01:44:20,747 --> 01:44:22,747
Speaker 26: Dow was sort of Johnny on the spot and we

2064
01:44:22,867 --> 01:44:25,147
Speaker 26: put the ball in the net. But to see the

2065
01:44:25,227 --> 01:44:29,787
Speaker 26: players celebrate the way that they did, and especially in

2066
01:44:29,827 --> 01:44:32,627
Speaker 26: front of the yellow fever, that's that's an experience very

2067
01:44:32,667 --> 01:44:35,347
Speaker 26: few people get to experience, and to actually do it

2068
01:44:35,467 --> 01:44:38,467
Speaker 26: at that end of the stadium's pretty cool. And just

2069
01:44:38,547 --> 01:44:41,947
Speaker 26: to see them all together was was was a wonderful sight,

2070
01:44:42,027 --> 01:44:45,507
Speaker 26: I think, and memories they'll cherish forever and what a.

2071
01:44:45,547 --> 01:44:48,227
Speaker 3: Moment for them all, in particular for Luke flowered you

2072
01:44:48,307 --> 01:44:50,187
Speaker 3: he gets the final touch, he gets the goal, he

2073
01:44:50,267 --> 01:44:52,267
Speaker 3: gets the headlines like this tell us a bit about him.

2074
01:44:53,147 --> 01:44:57,147
Speaker 26: Yeah, he's an up and coming young striker. He's kind

2075
01:44:57,187 --> 01:45:01,467
Speaker 26: of a throwback kind of striker. He's comfortable with his

2076
01:45:01,587 --> 01:45:05,747
Speaker 26: back to play. He's exceptionally quick. It was kind of

2077
01:45:05,747 --> 01:45:07,787
Speaker 26: one of those plays is that doesn't look that quick,

2078
01:45:07,867 --> 01:45:10,787
Speaker 26: but actually in full flight when you you kind of

2079
01:45:11,267 --> 01:45:13,547
Speaker 26: you know, race against him is pretty quick with the

2080
01:45:13,587 --> 01:45:16,147
Speaker 26: ball at his feet, and you know he's.

2081
01:45:15,907 --> 01:45:19,747
Speaker 7: Still got a lot to learn, but he's a brave character.

2082
01:45:19,947 --> 01:45:21,947
Speaker 7: Is at times a real handful and I kind of

2083
01:45:21,987 --> 01:45:22,907
Speaker 7: quite like that with him.

2084
01:45:23,987 --> 01:45:26,867
Speaker 26: There's I say, a lot to work on, but you know,

2085
01:45:27,347 --> 01:45:29,467
Speaker 26: he needs to get himself into goal scoring positions. We

2086
01:45:29,547 --> 01:45:32,787
Speaker 26: talk about this sort of every week. When we play

2087
01:45:32,827 --> 01:45:36,227
Speaker 26: against our opponents in the Central League. And it's great

2088
01:45:36,387 --> 01:45:38,067
Speaker 26: that he took that on board to do it against

2089
01:45:38,067 --> 01:45:41,507
Speaker 26: Rexham and and rightly so he's got all the plaudits today.

2090
01:45:41,547 --> 01:45:43,947
Speaker 7: And and I'm sure he didn't sweet sleep or wink

2091
01:45:44,067 --> 01:45:44,467
Speaker 7: last night.

2092
01:45:45,347 --> 01:45:50,587
Speaker 3: It's probably clearing his messages. And you say, you say,

2093
01:45:50,667 --> 01:45:52,627
Speaker 3: Greennie that you know you kept their feet on the

2094
01:45:52,667 --> 01:45:55,787
Speaker 3: ground during the week and try not to get them

2095
01:45:55,827 --> 01:45:58,427
Speaker 3: overawed by the occasion. But afterwards, did you, you know,

2096
01:45:58,547 --> 01:46:01,147
Speaker 3: allow them the moment, allow them to celebrate what they've done.

2097
01:46:02,067 --> 01:46:04,627
Speaker 7: It was pretty incredible, actually I tell you a story.

2098
01:46:04,707 --> 01:46:08,067
Speaker 26: But after the the media stuff was done with the

2099
01:46:08,147 --> 01:46:10,547
Speaker 26: coaches and I think Luke did an interview as well,

2100
01:46:11,187 --> 01:46:14,507
Speaker 26: all the players waited in the in the dressing room

2101
01:46:14,587 --> 01:46:16,387
Speaker 26: for him and then as soon as he came.

2102
01:46:16,227 --> 01:46:20,067
Speaker 7: In, flower us on fire. It came on and there

2103
01:46:20,187 --> 01:46:23,307
Speaker 7: was water sprayed everywhere. So just to let them enjoy

2104
01:46:23,387 --> 01:46:23,787
Speaker 7: the moment.

2105
01:46:23,907 --> 01:46:26,827
Speaker 26: But to see all his teammates and all his friends

2106
01:46:27,627 --> 01:46:29,507
Speaker 26: wait for him and want to do that shows the

2107
01:46:29,587 --> 01:46:31,707
Speaker 26: camaraderie in the team spirit that they've got.

2108
01:46:31,587 --> 01:46:35,907
Speaker 7: Themselves in their dressing room and yeah, it was great

2109
01:46:35,947 --> 01:46:36,267
Speaker 7: to see.

2110
01:46:36,347 --> 01:46:39,387
Speaker 26: So again, really really proud of them the way they

2111
01:46:40,507 --> 01:46:41,467
Speaker 26: dealt with the occasion.

2112
01:46:42,547 --> 01:46:45,307
Speaker 7: You know, we're under no illusions of where it was.

2113
01:46:45,387 --> 01:46:48,427
Speaker 26: I think the experience that Rexham had, but where they

2114
01:46:48,507 --> 01:46:51,067
Speaker 26: were in pre season and obviously where three quarters of

2115
01:46:51,107 --> 01:46:54,427
Speaker 26: the way through our centrally campaign kind of makes it

2116
01:46:54,547 --> 01:46:58,107
Speaker 26: more of a level playing field, I suppose, but it's

2117
01:46:58,307 --> 01:47:00,547
Speaker 26: it's a level that they've never played for before and

2118
01:47:01,507 --> 01:47:03,507
Speaker 26: they'll be all the better for that experience.

2119
01:47:04,147 --> 01:47:05,747
Speaker 3: Just to finish spring, you see a lot of young

2120
01:47:05,827 --> 01:47:08,667
Speaker 3: players know they can they go. Not even a young

2121
01:47:08,707 --> 01:47:10,507
Speaker 3: player is going to make it. That's the nature of

2122
01:47:10,707 --> 01:47:14,107
Speaker 3: elite sport. What do you look for in a young

2123
01:47:14,227 --> 01:47:17,347
Speaker 3: player that tells you they might have what it takes.

2124
01:47:18,667 --> 01:47:21,187
Speaker 26: There's lots of things, you know, both on and off

2125
01:47:21,227 --> 01:47:26,707
Speaker 26: the field. For me, you know basic you know, players

2126
01:47:26,747 --> 01:47:29,787
Speaker 26: that are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Initially

2127
01:47:29,907 --> 01:47:32,387
Speaker 26: for me, I think is a huge one. You know,

2128
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Speaker 26: you can talk about tactics and all this kind of stuff,

2129
01:47:35,787 --> 01:47:38,387
Speaker 26: but if you can't handle the football, that doesn't give

2130
01:47:38,427 --> 01:47:41,867
Speaker 26: you the best start. And then lots of things attitude,

2131
01:47:42,747 --> 01:47:46,867
Speaker 26: you know, towards their craft. It's really difficult for sometimes

2132
01:47:46,907 --> 01:47:49,627
Speaker 26: young players to come into a full time environment and

2133
01:47:50,907 --> 01:47:54,347
Speaker 26: what you see on a Saturday as a fan isn't everything.

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01:47:54,627 --> 01:47:56,867
Speaker 26: There's a whole heap of stuff that go on goes

2135
01:47:56,907 --> 01:47:59,627
Speaker 26: on during the week. You know how the players are

2136
01:47:59,667 --> 01:48:04,547
Speaker 26: in the gym and their lifestyle, their diets. There's a

2137
01:48:04,587 --> 01:48:07,227
Speaker 26: whole heap of things things that go on, but everyone's

2138
01:48:07,307 --> 01:48:08,987
Speaker 26: judged about what happens on a Saturday.

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01:48:09,627 --> 01:48:11,187
Speaker 7: And being a true.

2140
01:48:10,987 --> 01:48:15,027
Speaker 26: Athlete in probably any sport, at any high performance sport,

2141
01:48:15,987 --> 01:48:17,867
Speaker 26: it's a lot of the stuff away from the field

2142
01:48:17,947 --> 01:48:22,347
Speaker 26: that's the important stuff. But that's not for everyone, and

2143
01:48:22,467 --> 01:48:26,507
Speaker 26: that's hard, and it's a really difficult, difficult place to

2144
01:48:26,587 --> 01:48:28,867
Speaker 26: be as an athlete, and it's not for everyone. But

2145
01:48:28,907 --> 01:48:32,147
Speaker 26: the ones that overcome that give themselves the best opportunity.

2146
01:48:32,307 --> 01:48:34,667
Speaker 26: So the ones that are kind of consistent over all

2147
01:48:34,747 --> 01:48:37,467
Speaker 26: everything are usually the ones that give themselves the best chance.

2148
01:48:38,107 --> 01:48:40,867
Speaker 3: Brinny, congratulations on the significant part you've played in the

2149
01:48:40,907 --> 01:48:42,867
Speaker 3: development of the club's young players, which lead to the

2150
01:48:42,947 --> 01:48:45,667
Speaker 3: occasion that you've enjoyed yesterday. I really appreciate your time

2151
01:48:45,707 --> 01:48:46,267
Speaker 3: this afternoon.

2152
01:48:46,787 --> 01:48:47,467
Speaker 7: Thank you very much.

2153
01:48:47,547 --> 01:48:52,107
Speaker 3: Teas Piney, thank you, Chris Chris Greeneker. Yeah, club legend

2154
01:48:52,347 --> 01:48:55,667
Speaker 3: on the field and building the next generation of players offered.

2155
01:48:55,747 --> 01:48:58,387
Speaker 3: He is the he's the second team coach if you

2156
01:48:58,547 --> 01:49:01,627
Speaker 3: like the reserve team. They play in Central League in

2157
01:49:01,707 --> 01:49:04,827
Speaker 3: and around the Wellington region and the Central North Island

2158
01:49:04,987 --> 01:49:08,467
Speaker 3: and has been brought on board at the moment anyway

2159
01:49:08,587 --> 01:49:13,947
Speaker 3: as an interim assistant coach until the side's new assistant

2160
01:49:14,027 --> 01:49:17,027
Speaker 3: coach can get his work visa. There is a new

2161
01:49:17,107 --> 01:49:21,307
Speaker 3: man coming on board to assist gian Carlo Italiano, the

2162
01:49:21,827 --> 01:49:24,267
Speaker 3: head coach of the side. The new right hand man

2163
01:49:24,427 --> 01:49:29,587
Speaker 3: is Kelly Guimardes. He is a Brazilian and has spent

2164
01:49:29,707 --> 01:49:33,307
Speaker 3: the last decade or so coaching in some pretty decent

2165
01:49:33,427 --> 01:49:36,747
Speaker 3: leagues in Brazil. He had a successful nineteen year playing

2166
01:49:36,827 --> 01:49:40,867
Speaker 3: career in Spain, Japan and the UAE. So he's the

2167
01:49:40,947 --> 01:49:43,987
Speaker 3: new man, Kelli Guimdes. So we'll wait to see how

2168
01:49:44,027 --> 01:49:47,227
Speaker 3: he goes. But yeah, Chris greenacher doing some great things

2169
01:49:47,307 --> 01:49:50,627
Speaker 3: with the Wellington Phoenix reserve side and helping out with

2170
01:49:50,667 --> 01:49:52,307
Speaker 3: the first team as well, particularly with so many of

2171
01:49:52,307 --> 01:49:53,907
Speaker 3: those young players. They yees today, what a moment for

2172
01:49:53,947 --> 01:49:58,227
Speaker 3: the day, twenty five thousand there at Sky Stadium. You know,

2173
01:49:58,707 --> 01:50:01,547
Speaker 3: it's ten times more than most of them would have

2174
01:50:01,547 --> 01:50:05,387
Speaker 3: played in front of before. If not more and they

2175
01:50:05,427 --> 01:50:08,267
Speaker 3: went out there and just played without fear. Good on them.

2176
01:50:08,547 --> 01:50:10,587
Speaker 3: I reckon good on them. What an occasion for them.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Wellington Phoenix next up have their Australia Cup Round

2179
01:50:15,187 --> 01:50:17,907
Speaker 3: of thirty two tie. It's a week tonight they have

2180
01:50:17,987 --> 01:50:21,107
Speaker 3: to go to Perth to take on Perth Glory and

2181
01:50:21,187 --> 01:50:23,667
Speaker 3: Auckland FC. For fans of Auckland FC, you don't have

2182
01:50:23,707 --> 01:50:25,547
Speaker 3: to wait too much longer to see your team in action.

2183
01:50:25,627 --> 01:50:27,947
Speaker 3: They're in the Australia Cup as well. They're Round of

2184
01:50:27,987 --> 01:50:31,507
Speaker 3: thirty two matches against the Gold Coast nights at the

2185
01:50:31,747 --> 01:50:35,147
Speaker 3: Croatian Sports Center on the Gold Coast. That is Tuesday

2186
01:50:35,267 --> 01:50:38,547
Speaker 3: July twenty nine, nine to thirty kickoff New Zealand time.

2187
01:50:38,787 --> 01:50:41,867
Speaker 3: I believe these games are screened on the Australia Cup

2188
01:50:42,067 --> 01:50:44,147
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, so if you want to keep up with that,

2189
01:50:44,867 --> 01:50:48,147
Speaker 3: you totally can. Wellington Saints Southland Sharks, so I think

2190
01:50:48,147 --> 01:50:50,787
Speaker 3: it's one of those where they mess about for a

2191
01:50:50,867 --> 01:50:54,347
Speaker 3: bit before the game. They have all the pregame pageantry.

2192
01:50:54,467 --> 01:50:56,667
Speaker 3: That game not underway as far as I can see.

2193
01:50:56,707 --> 01:50:58,307
Speaker 3: We'll keep you up to date with it though, as

2194
01:50:58,387 --> 01:51:01,747
Speaker 3: the Saints take on the Sharks for national Basketball League

2195
01:51:01,787 --> 01:51:06,787
Speaker 3: Supremacy in twenty twenty five. Coming up twenty two away

2196
01:51:06,947 --> 01:51:09,867
Speaker 3: from three. When we come back, we're off to Germany.

2197
01:51:10,067 --> 01:51:13,787
Speaker 3: That's where the World University Games are taking place at

2198
01:51:13,827 --> 01:51:16,747
Speaker 3: the moment. This is a massive event. We'll find out

2199
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Speaker 3: more about it from New Zealand's Chef de Mission Evelyn Williamson.

2200
01:51:20,827 --> 01:51:23,987
Speaker 1: She's on the show after this, The Tough Questions Off

2201
01:51:24,067 --> 01:51:28,347
Speaker 1: the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Tyne and GJ. Gunerholmes,

2202
01:51:28,547 --> 01:51:31,307
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs.

2203
01:51:32,307 --> 01:51:35,707
Speaker 3: Coming up nineteen minutes away from three. A team of

2204
01:51:35,907 --> 01:51:40,067
Speaker 3: eighty four student athletes are representing New Zealand currently across

2205
01:51:40,227 --> 01:51:44,067
Speaker 3: multiple sports at the FISU World University Games. They're on

2206
01:51:44,187 --> 01:51:48,347
Speaker 3: in Germany until next Sunday. The World University Games bring

2207
01:51:48,467 --> 01:51:51,667
Speaker 3: together around eight and a half thousand student athletes and

2208
01:51:51,787 --> 01:51:55,707
Speaker 3: officials from over one hundred and fifty countries to compete

2209
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Speaker 3: for medals in eighteen different sports. New Zealand Chef de

2210
01:51:59,547 --> 01:52:03,067
Speaker 3: Mission is Evelyn Williamson, who joins us now. Evelyn, thanks

2211
01:52:03,107 --> 01:52:05,907
Speaker 3: for your time. How big are the University Games?

2212
01:52:06,867 --> 01:52:09,707
Speaker 27: They're about the size of the Olympic Games, slightly slightly

2213
01:52:09,747 --> 01:52:13,067
Speaker 27: smaller maybe a thousand less athletes, but they are substantial

2214
01:52:14,067 --> 01:52:17,467
Speaker 27: in terms of multi sports. Second biggest games multi sport

2215
01:52:17,547 --> 01:52:19,387
Speaker 27: games on the calendar after Olympic Games.

2216
01:52:20,067 --> 01:52:23,187
Speaker 3: Tell us about the sports that we have athletes competing.

2217
01:52:22,867 --> 01:52:27,387
Speaker 25: In, I'm probably going to miss them if I'm having

2218
01:52:27,427 --> 01:52:28,627
Speaker 25: to reel them off. Let's let me.

2219
01:52:29,307 --> 01:52:38,987
Speaker 27: We have basketball, athletics, rhythmic and out of the gymnastics, fencing, rowing,

2220
01:52:42,467 --> 01:52:45,427
Speaker 27: two teams men's and women's beach volleyball, and.

2221
01:52:48,227 --> 01:52:52,387
Speaker 25: I feel like I've missed something. Archery, wonder they take sports.

2222
01:52:52,307 --> 01:52:56,627
Speaker 3: Wonderful, so a real mix. Do athletes have to be

2223
01:52:57,387 --> 01:53:00,387
Speaker 3: full time tertiary students? Is that the qualification?

2224
01:53:00,907 --> 01:53:03,867
Speaker 25: Yeah, they have to be enrolled in a full time course.

2225
01:53:04,227 --> 01:53:04,467
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2226
01:53:04,587 --> 01:53:05,827
Speaker 25: I think there's probably.

2227
01:53:07,867 --> 01:53:10,107
Speaker 27: Every institution has a different sort of definition of that,

2228
01:53:10,307 --> 01:53:12,347
Speaker 27: but yeah, they have to be studying, and they have

2229
01:53:12,427 --> 01:53:14,747
Speaker 27: to be there between the ages of eighteen and twenty five.

2230
01:53:15,547 --> 01:53:18,627
Speaker 3: And are some of our athletes studying offshore?

2231
01:53:20,307 --> 01:53:20,507
Speaker 8: Yep?

2232
01:53:20,627 --> 01:53:23,867
Speaker 27: Yeah, We've got quite a few from American universities here

2233
01:53:23,947 --> 01:53:27,467
Speaker 27: who certainly are in New Zealand very often and have

2234
01:53:27,587 --> 01:53:31,507
Speaker 27: come straight from their American base or European base.

2235
01:53:31,867 --> 01:53:32,067
Speaker 25: Yep.

2236
01:53:32,707 --> 01:53:36,587
Speaker 3: I know that at previous games the likes of Eliza McCartney,

2237
01:53:36,707 --> 01:53:40,667
Speaker 3: Zoe Hobbes, Hamish Kerr, Anthony Mass Lauren Boyle have competed.

2238
01:53:40,787 --> 01:53:44,667
Speaker 3: Do some of this current team see this as a

2239
01:53:44,707 --> 01:53:47,227
Speaker 3: bit of a stepping stone to Commonwealth Games to Olympic Games?

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Speaker 8: Perhaps?

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Speaker 27: I think that's the joy. You never really know, and

2242
01:53:53,267 --> 01:53:55,467
Speaker 27: it's always a lovely surprise when they do kick on.

2243
01:53:56,667 --> 01:53:58,467
Speaker 27: Obviously some of them, this will be the biggest thing

2244
01:53:58,507 --> 01:54:01,907
Speaker 27: they ever do, and especially for some of our smaller

2245
01:54:01,907 --> 01:54:05,347
Speaker 27: sports where making the Olympic Games and fencing and archery,

2246
01:54:06,027 --> 01:54:09,027
Speaker 27: you know, are it's a pretty big mountain to climb.

2247
01:54:10,587 --> 01:54:13,027
Speaker 25: But the likes of athletics, some of those mainstream sports.

2248
01:54:13,067 --> 01:54:18,507
Speaker 27: Athletics definitely definitely a stepping stone for probably some of them.

2249
01:54:19,027 --> 01:54:21,467
Speaker 25: And water polo.

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Speaker 27: We're building a water polo program where they're trying really hard.

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01:54:25,027 --> 01:54:28,187
Speaker 27: I think funding is obviously the hardest thing, but we

2252
01:54:28,387 --> 01:54:31,347
Speaker 27: narrowly missed out on getting a woman's water polo team

2253
01:54:31,387 --> 01:54:35,667
Speaker 27: to Paris last year. They're really hopeful that we might

2254
01:54:36,107 --> 01:54:38,827
Speaker 27: get across the line for LA in twenty eight, so

2255
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Speaker 27: some of these girls will be at the right age

2256
01:54:42,347 --> 01:54:46,987
Speaker 27: and stage for that. So I'm hoping these experiences really

2257
01:54:47,947 --> 01:54:51,547
Speaker 27: set them up for what could be a big deal

2258
01:54:51,627 --> 01:54:54,187
Speaker 27: when what water polo might debut on a New Zealand

2259
01:54:54,667 --> 01:54:56,627
Speaker 27: team in LA and twenty.

2260
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Speaker 3: Eight wonderful stuff. Now, competition I see is taking place

2261
01:54:59,387 --> 01:55:03,307
Speaker 3: across three cities. What sort of logistical challenges does that

2262
01:55:03,427 --> 01:55:03,987
Speaker 3: create for you?

2263
01:55:05,427 --> 01:55:08,347
Speaker 25: I don't think there's much and enough time in this interview. Jason.

2264
01:55:09,987 --> 01:55:14,387
Speaker 27: It is quite it is really quite difficult. It's hard

2265
01:55:14,427 --> 01:55:17,547
Speaker 27: to build a team when you are in three city. Well,

2266
01:55:17,667 --> 01:55:20,107
Speaker 27: there's actually five cities across the games. We're lucky we're

2267
01:55:20,147 --> 01:55:25,627
Speaker 27: only in three, but we're at eleven hotels and you know,

2268
01:55:25,907 --> 01:55:30,427
Speaker 27: so you can imagine you're having to duplicate, triplicate everything

2269
01:55:31,187 --> 01:55:34,827
Speaker 27: that you do and you're managing lots of things at

2270
01:55:34,827 --> 01:55:35,387
Speaker 27: the same time.

2271
01:55:35,547 --> 01:55:37,867
Speaker 25: It's not a great model.

2272
01:55:38,947 --> 01:55:41,427
Speaker 27: They're making it work for where we are and they're

2273
01:55:41,467 --> 01:55:45,347
Speaker 27: doing their best, but it is a difficult to feel

2274
01:55:45,467 --> 01:55:48,667
Speaker 27: like you're part of a New Zealand team or any

2275
01:55:48,707 --> 01:55:52,507
Speaker 27: team when you're spread out across such a wide range

2276
01:55:52,627 --> 01:55:55,707
Speaker 27: of properties. The one nice thing about this is a

2277
01:55:55,747 --> 01:55:57,627
Speaker 27: lot of it's a lot of the sports are based

2278
01:55:57,667 --> 01:56:01,667
Speaker 27: in the center of Essen and a big convention center,

2279
01:56:01,747 --> 01:56:04,547
Speaker 27: which is something that New Zealand doesn't really quite have.

2280
01:56:05,027 --> 01:56:08,067
Speaker 27: So there's about eight sports there in big giant halls,

2281
01:56:08,347 --> 01:56:10,907
Speaker 27: and that's where the main dining is, and so it's

2282
01:56:10,947 --> 01:56:13,427
Speaker 27: quite a melting pot in there. It's pretty cool, it

2283
01:56:13,467 --> 01:56:16,907
Speaker 27: gives you real games vibe, but beyond that, it's it

2284
01:56:17,027 --> 01:56:18,387
Speaker 27: is quite difficult to manage.

2285
01:56:18,787 --> 01:56:22,507
Speaker 3: I can imagine eleven different hotels and I know where

2286
01:56:22,507 --> 01:56:25,707
Speaker 3: you're supposed to be at a certain time, Evelyn, in

2287
01:56:25,867 --> 01:56:27,707
Speaker 3: terms of now, what could possibly go wrong?

2288
01:56:27,907 --> 01:56:30,707
Speaker 25: Eighteen to twenty five year olds in eleven hotels.

2289
01:56:30,987 --> 01:56:34,347
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good way of putting it up.

2290
01:56:34,627 --> 01:56:37,827
Speaker 3: But are the athletes able to support one another? Is there?

2291
01:56:38,187 --> 01:56:40,667
Speaker 3: I know they concentrating on their own sports, but can

2292
01:56:40,707 --> 01:56:42,427
Speaker 3: they go and cheer along the other kiwis if they

2293
01:56:42,467 --> 01:56:42,827
Speaker 3: have time.

2294
01:56:44,267 --> 01:56:46,547
Speaker 27: There's a small window for each of them, and it's

2295
01:56:46,587 --> 01:56:48,947
Speaker 27: pretty small, and that's another thing that gets lost in

2296
01:56:49,027 --> 01:56:49,587
Speaker 27: this sort of.

2297
01:56:51,267 --> 01:56:54,267
Speaker 25: Model though, because you're in hotels.

2298
01:56:54,907 --> 01:56:58,347
Speaker 27: It's a costly exercise, so they've restricted the length of stay.

2299
01:56:58,507 --> 01:57:00,667
Speaker 27: You're only allowed to arrive three days before your event,

2300
01:57:00,747 --> 01:57:03,707
Speaker 27: and you have to leave within forty eight hours after

2301
01:57:03,747 --> 01:57:05,907
Speaker 27: your event, So there's not a lot of time for

2302
01:57:06,027 --> 01:57:09,187
Speaker 27: that stuff, which is usually the lovely organic stuff that

2303
01:57:09,267 --> 01:57:13,627
Speaker 27: happens within a team, and there is a little bit

2304
01:57:13,787 --> 01:57:16,627
Speaker 27: but and then you know, the transport goes from their

2305
01:57:16,667 --> 01:57:19,307
Speaker 27: hotel to their venue. It doesn't get you necessarily to

2306
01:57:19,427 --> 01:57:22,067
Speaker 27: other venues, so you've got to rely on public transport

2307
01:57:22,147 --> 01:57:24,347
Speaker 27: to get yourself to watch your teammates.

2308
01:57:24,907 --> 01:57:26,067
Speaker 25: So there's a few barriers to that.

2309
01:57:26,227 --> 01:57:28,027
Speaker 27: But we're trying to make it work and making it

2310
01:57:28,067 --> 01:57:30,507
Speaker 27: easy for the athletes by giving them some wayfinding and

2311
01:57:31,067 --> 01:57:34,067
Speaker 27: they get free public transport access, so that helps. So

2312
01:57:34,187 --> 01:57:38,507
Speaker 27: there's some positives, but it is unfortunately not like being.

2313
01:57:38,387 --> 01:57:38,907
Speaker 25: In a village.

2314
01:57:39,747 --> 01:57:41,267
Speaker 3: What are the competition venues like?

2315
01:57:42,747 --> 01:57:46,667
Speaker 25: Great the venues have been. The venues are world class.

2316
01:57:48,347 --> 01:57:49,467
Speaker 25: It's really impressive.

2317
01:57:50,267 --> 01:57:53,787
Speaker 27: Really well, the overlay that they've put on, you know,

2318
01:57:53,947 --> 01:57:58,027
Speaker 27: some of the existing infrastructure has been impressive.

2319
01:57:58,107 --> 01:58:00,507
Speaker 25: So I think that's a lovely thing that the ATHLETs

2320
01:58:00,507 --> 01:58:00,987
Speaker 25: are going to have.

2321
01:58:01,787 --> 01:58:04,347
Speaker 27: They have great accommodation, it's comfortable, it's nice, we're not

2322
01:58:04,387 --> 01:58:08,427
Speaker 27: sleeping on cardboard beds, and they get to the venue

2323
01:58:08,507 --> 01:58:11,907
Speaker 27: and it's it's an awesome venue so they can perform.

2324
01:58:12,507 --> 01:58:14,187
Speaker 25: So that's really what you're here for.

2325
01:58:14,667 --> 01:58:16,987
Speaker 27: So you know, all that other stuff is window dressing

2326
01:58:17,107 --> 01:58:19,667
Speaker 27: and it's but it's also nice, but they're going to

2327
01:58:19,667 --> 01:58:20,587
Speaker 27: be able to do what they need to do.

2328
01:58:21,387 --> 01:58:23,387
Speaker 3: And this isn't your first rodeo. Of course, you've been

2329
01:58:23,427 --> 01:58:27,307
Speaker 3: involved in the delivery of many, many International Games campaigns.

2330
01:58:27,347 --> 01:58:30,787
Speaker 3: Do you still get surprised occasionally by something that pops up?

2331
01:58:32,227 --> 01:58:38,027
Speaker 27: Surprise every day, Jason is. Every campaign is a learning experience.

2332
01:58:40,067 --> 01:58:44,027
Speaker 25: There's just it is fascinating. Things can still surprise you.

2333
01:58:44,187 --> 01:58:47,947
Speaker 27: But every city is different and every organizing committee is different,

2334
01:58:48,867 --> 01:58:51,307
Speaker 27: and so you're always dealing with the same stuff, but

2335
01:58:51,427 --> 01:58:54,787
Speaker 27: it's on a different canvas, you know, so you've got

2336
01:58:54,827 --> 01:58:58,387
Speaker 27: different challenges. So there's you're never short of surprises. And

2337
01:58:58,467 --> 01:59:01,587
Speaker 27: that's what I actually love because I love fixing with

2338
01:59:01,787 --> 01:59:02,667
Speaker 27: the team around me.

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Speaker 25: You know, our daily job is just.

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Speaker 27: Basically troubleshooting and making sure that the coaches can do

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Speaker 27: their jobs. So we're just it's like a big jigsaw

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Speaker 27: puzzle every time and it keeps you, keeps you sharp,

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Speaker 27: and it keeps you thinking. So most calendars are actually

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Speaker 27: kind of fun when you solve them.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, I've seen hyps a great social media content

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Speaker 3: back here, our people back here able to follow the games.

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Speaker 3: Are are there broadcast options available or not.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, there's online broadcast.

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Speaker 27: It's called FEESU TV if I su dot TV and

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Speaker 27: they're streaming most sports live.

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Speaker 25: So yes you can.

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Speaker 27: And we're doing I think we're doing. It's not my fulltet,

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Speaker 27: but we are doing as much as we as well

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Speaker 27: in lots of different formats. Don't ask me what those are.

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Speaker 25: Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and then I'm lost.

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Speaker 3: It's like looking at a mirror. I know exactly what

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Speaker 3: you mean. I know exactly what you mean. It's been

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Speaker 3: great to chat. Look, we will follow with interest the

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Speaker 3: next week or so of our athletes at the at

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Speaker 3: the World UNI Games. Thanks so much for taking the

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Speaker 3: time for its yet today.

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Speaker 25: Thank you Jason. It's a wonderful opportunity for them. So

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Speaker 25: appreciate the airtime.

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Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you joining us, Evelan, Thanks Indee shift

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Speaker 3: a mission of our New Zealand team at the FISU

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Speaker 3: World University Games in Germany. Evelyn Williamson joining us on

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Speaker 3: weekend sport. Updating you on a bit of live sport

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Speaker 3: while we have the opportunity. They're underway in the National

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Speaker 3: Basketball League Final in Wellington, just in the first quarter

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Speaker 3: at the moment Southland out to a nineteen twelve lead

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Speaker 3: over the Wellington Saints. Saints heavy favorites at home and

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Speaker 3: regular season winners, but the Southland Sharks don't appear too

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Speaker 3: interested in that. They are nineteen twelve ahead, now nineteen

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Speaker 3: twelve ahead with around four minutes left in the first quarter.

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Speaker 3: In Wellington ten to three news Talks.

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Speaker 1: Heab analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting

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Speaker 1: World Weekend Sport with Jason Pie they call O eight

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Speaker 1: undred eighty eighty News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Hebe coming up six away from three. That pretty much

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Speaker 3: wraps the show for today. It's been brilliant these last

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Speaker 3: three weeks. I have to say, following the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: around and doing the shows before and after their Test matches,

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Speaker 3: had a terrific time in Dunedin. Wellington of course is

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Speaker 3: where I live, but I enjoyed following the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: there and being in Hamilton these last forty eight hours

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Speaker 3: has been outstanding as well. In particular Dunedin and Hamilton

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Speaker 3: the way they are around a Test match weekend. There

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Speaker 3: is a buzz, a palpable buzz in the city and

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Speaker 3: it's been awesome to be a part of it. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for everybody, to everybody who's been a part of

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Speaker 3: hosting us over these last three weeks during our road show.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it again once the All Blacks return to

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, which of course won't be until September. In

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Speaker 3: terms of playing those two test matches against South Africa

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Speaker 3: at Eden Park and at Sky Stadium. Tim Beverage is

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Speaker 3: on your radio after three o'clock this afternoon with the

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Speaker 3: Sunday edition of The Weekend Collective. Massive thanks to Anna

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Speaker 3: McDonnell for pulling together not only this weekend shows but

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Speaker 3: the last three. It does take a lot more effort

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Speaker 3: and heavy lifting to get shows like this two you

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Speaker 3: Andy top Man mate, thank you indeed have a good

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Speaker 3: couple of days and to take us out today. It

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Speaker 3: was a sad day on Wednesday for the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: music community the sudden death of celebrated musician, producer and

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Speaker 3: driving force behind one of the country's most beloved bands,

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Speaker 3: Fat Freddy's Drop. Chris Longa Folk better known to fans

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Speaker 3: around the world as d J Moore taking us out

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Speaker 3: Fat Freddy's Drop's biggest hit, Wandering eight See you tomorrow

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Speaker 3: night on Sports Talk five An How.

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Speaker 28: Couldn't a thing.

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Speaker 7: Can it.

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Speaker 28: Couldn't think it can't because it's a give.

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Speaker 5: A thing can't.

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Speaker 1: Canting for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen

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Speaker 1: live to news talks it be weekends from midday, or

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