1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Unique Homes 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Uniquely for you. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: On the Huddle with us this evening, we have Tris Shurson, Sharson, 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: Willis pr and Joseph Begunni, CEO of Child Found. Hello 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: you guys, Hello, Hello. You into this idea? Trish, No, 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: you don't want to go on a working holiday in 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: your late forties? 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's one of those great 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: headline grabbing ideas, but I'm not convinced at the age 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: bracket that it's been pitched to that those people are 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: going to want to do the kind of jobs that 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: would be on offer. 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 4: No. 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: I I personally tend to agree, being roughly in that 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: age bracket. 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: Josie, Yeah, by that age, I don't want to go 17 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 4: on a working holiday. I just want to go on 18 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 4: a holiday. And look, I just think if you're going 19 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 4: to open it up to age fifty maximum, well you 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: might as well just have no age restrictions. I mean, 21 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: you might as well say anyone can come on a 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: work with you today. 23 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: Because you know what, I'll tell you what, Josie, what 24 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: the German thought would be a great hyde is if 25 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: you have like a nana O pair come and stage 26 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: your house from Germany. 27 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, well maybe it is, but I still think if 28 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: this is the big productivity growth plan from the government 29 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: and we're focusing on this sort of low value tourism 30 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 4: and I love a juicy van. This is nothing against juicy, 31 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 4: but you know, basically, do we really want more and 32 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 4: more and more backpackers coming doing working holidays and frankly 33 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 4: lowering the average wage by taking such low wage jobs 34 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 4: in places like Queenstown that actually lowers the average wage 35 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 4: across the whole of New Zealand. So it's fine. I 36 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: love it when French people come and do a working 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: and they quite good waiters and waitresses and so on, 38 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: and they flock to Queenstown because they want to go there. 39 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: But this is not a great growth strategy for New Zealand. 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: And also just bearing in mind the number of older 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: New Zealanders, especially right now, who are looking for work, 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: so there could be an issue there. And just a 43 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: personal note from me, I see the van holiday makers 44 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: and in my head, that's my worst nightmare. Making a 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: cup of tea on top of your duvet with that's 46 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: also your pantry. 47 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: He's got your little poop pot underneath this in a 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: com for the for the young people. Well you do. 49 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 2: You have a fun time when you're young and you 50 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: can do crazy things like that. Jose, how do you 51 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: think the big meeting in the White House is going 52 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: to go overnight? 53 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: Well, you're right that the EU does need to step up, 54 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: and I think they've realized that if they're not at 55 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 4: the table, they're on the menu. So they've really decided 56 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 4: they're going to come and be Zelenski's bodyguards this time. 57 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: And great to see that. I'm sure Zelenski and all 58 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: of the seven European bodyguards he's bringing that, they've all said, 59 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 4: we will we do not want a pre meeting press 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 4: conference in the Oval Office, thank you very much. We'll 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: go straight into the meeting because that's, of course what 62 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: happened last time, is Lensky. Yeah, I mean, the EU 63 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: needs to do the heavy lifting. But let's not let 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 4: Trump off the hook here. I mean he has America 65 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 4: has walked away from forty years of protecting democracy, liberal 66 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: liberal values and the rules, and they're walking away from 67 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: it and leaving it up to the rest of us. 68 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 4: So it is it's a big hinge moment in history 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 4: for US, right, So the EU does have to step up. 70 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, Heather, when you're calling on 71 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 4: the EU to do more, and they should have done 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: more to date. But I think they are seriously looking 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: at it and going, well, if America is not going 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: to be there, we have to step up. But they 75 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: want to make sure that America is on board with 76 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: whatever plan comes next, and that's the big thing. So 77 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: what's going to happen next. Well, the best case scenario, 78 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: and it doesn't sound that great, is that Russia keeps 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: the territory that it's already occupied, which is awful, but 80 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: it doesn't get officially recognized. Ukraine gets its security guarantees, 81 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: the sort of Article five type guarantee where the US 82 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: also agrees to come to its aid if it's invaded again, 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: and they get to join the EU and there is 84 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: no cap to them rearming or defending themselves. That's the 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 4: best case scenario. Worst case scenario is that Russia and 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: Putin just divide up Ukraine and then Europe really is 87 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: on the menu. Then they're at the mercy of whoever's 88 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: going to invade Europe Beyond Ukraine. 89 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: Trish, what do you think the chances are that. 90 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: This is successful, Well, I think it's fairly low. There's 91 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 3: two key issues here. One is that in Trump's world, 92 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: this is just another TV chapter, TV episode in his 93 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: sort of apprentice style. 94 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: You're never I'm sure that it understands the importance, like 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: the historical importance of what he's doing. 96 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know whether he doesn't understand. He certainly 97 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: doesn't really care deeply about it. So he's put aside 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: all of the norms of normal diplomacy. And if I 99 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: were the EU people going into this, to Josie's point, 100 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: I would stage men this to within an inch of 101 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: its life. So you go straight into the room, you 102 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: get down to tintax. One of the other great pieces 103 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: of advice I heard over the weekend was actually to Zolensky. 104 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: So one of the things that Putin does he is 105 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: a fantastic speaker of English, he's fluent in German. But 106 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: what he does is he always works through an interpreter, 107 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: because what that does in those big meetings is it 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: just slows everything down. So the advice to Zelensky was 109 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: use an interpreter, because you're going to be able to 110 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: slow everything down. I think it's fantastic that the EU 111 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: is going with Zelensky to support him this time, and 112 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: I think symbolically that's really really important. But there is 113 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: absolutely no way to guarantee what's happened going to happen 114 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: out the back of this, And one of the problems 115 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: with the Trump team. Trump won't take briefings. He isn't 116 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: properly prepared for these meetings and the groundwork that you 117 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: would normally expect going into these meetings. So normally you'd 118 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: go into these meetings, you would know what's going to happen. 119 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: And it's really the kind of symbolism in the picture 120 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: story that goes with it. No one knows with Trump's 121 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: team what on earth is going to happen. 122 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: Hang on, Josie, I just need to take a break 123 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: and I want you one quick thing afterwards. Hanging a tack. 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: It's called to the huddle. 125 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones for unmashed results. 126 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: Back with the huddle, Josie, what was your one quick thing? 127 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 4: Just to illustrate how extraordinary this moment was, so putin 128 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: walks down, he gets the red carpet and the clap 129 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: the handshake with Trump. If he had landed in New 130 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 4: zeal And the flyover, the flyover one hundred countries, he 131 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 4: would have been arrested because there's an ICC International Criminal 132 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 4: Court basically a arrest at first sight ruling on him 133 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 4: because he's a war criminal. But the other thing I 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: quickly wanted to say was Russia is very weak at 135 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 4: the moment, and I think, as you say, Trump doesn't 136 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: really analyze this very politically. Russia has lost Syria, you know, 137 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 4: A said alas i seld Basha allah Sad. It's been 138 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: dumped or it's dumped. I ran the Gulf States are 139 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: shifting towards the US. It has an economy the size 140 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: of Spain. So really, you know, Trump is treating it 141 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: as if it's some sort of Cold war equal to 142 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: the US, and it isn't. So he just doesn't get 143 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: the politics well. 144 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: But that brings us back to the theories about what 145 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: hold Putin has to hold on because Moody pictures otherwise 146 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: it just doesn't it actually doesn't make sense what's happening. 147 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: So there are some who are connected to the White 148 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: House Josie who reckon that Putin's got some Epstein files 149 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: or something like that, and he and they get together 150 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: at these meetings and he just flashes flashes Trump and 151 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: he's like, do you remember this? 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: And frankly, if they were nudy pictures, we will be 153 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: relieved and breathe a sigh of relief. They're going to 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: be worse than that, aren't they? 155 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: Mostly well, you know who knows. I mean, I love 156 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: a good conspiracy theory, so I'm deep in this one. 157 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: Do you think, Trish, that David Cymore has made the 158 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: right call leaving the bike helmets as mandatory? I do. 159 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: I went to a very interesting speech the other day 160 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: and one of the points that came out of it 161 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: was how mired in very bad old regulation New Zealander is. 162 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: But because of the slowness of our parliament and the 163 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: legislative process, and because a lot of those old regulations 164 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: will have to be removed through legislation in Parliament, it's 165 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: going to be years and years before we get through it. 166 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: So the reason I speak to that is I don't 167 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: think getting rid of regulations around bike helmets. If you 168 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: put if you lined up all of that regulation, that's just. 169 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: Not high on the priority lists. 170 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: It seems to me to be ridiculous, and I think 171 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: that's the line that the new Ministry for Regulation needs 172 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: to carefully traverse. I would like to see a priority 173 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: list of legislation with a waiting about how damaging it 174 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: it is and its impact, and then to see that 175 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: list work through thoroughly. When you get random things like 176 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: this that don't really seem to make sense, well they're not. 177 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: They're not even low hanging fruit. I mean, they're not 178 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: even a ballble on the. 179 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: Tree, are they. 180 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: I just don't think it looks good for that ministry 181 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: and the important job it's got to do. 182 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the right call then to just dump it. 183 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Josie. 184 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got to pick their battles a bit better. 185 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 4: There's a bit too many of these sort of symbolic 186 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 4: gestures like taking reversing the Mary word on passports. It's 187 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: like no one was bothered about that, and no one's thinking, 188 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 4: oh my god, we must get rid of helmets. Although 189 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: I'm like you, Heather, as a mum, I'm strapped on 190 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: helmets to my kids when they're young, and now they're 191 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 4: in their twenties, I mean I virtually want them and 192 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: bulletproof fests like RoboCop going around. So of course, as 193 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 4: parents were going to do everything to keep them safe. 194 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 4: If they don't keep finding my iPhone on, I'm phoning 195 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: up for proof of life every day. So you could 196 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: say that if you take the helmet mandatory helmet away, 197 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: that most people will do what's safe anyway and put 198 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 4: the helmet on, and people who don't want to. The 199 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 4: problem you've got is e bikes, right, Are e bikes 200 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: mopeads or are they out the limescooters? 201 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: Everybody gets absolutely absolutely hammered at the weekend on them 202 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: and whoo and they have've got any helmets on? Are they? 203 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: Yes? But enough about my son who ended up in 204 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: a scooter drunk at three am. 205 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: Well there you go, hey guys. Oh by the way, 206 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: by the way, Trisha, are you going to read Grant's book? 207 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: I think it's one that you will not find on 208 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: my bedside table, along with Justsinda's book. I feel like 209 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: theore ones. I just sort of get them summarized from 210 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: I'll read it and tell thank you you can be 211 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: my human shield on that one. 212 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: What about you, Joseph, I'll read the chat GPT version. 213 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 4: I'm just a bit sick of this sort of tendency 214 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: of politicians to publish books to tell their side of 215 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 4: the story, rather than it being something we're all demanding. 216 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 4: Oh look he was finance minister. He's got an interesting 217 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: story to tell. But you can't publish a book and 218 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 4: then not appear at a public royal commission in the 219 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 4: same Free Sister. 220 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, Trishas and jose Spigani hudle this evening. 221 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 222 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 223 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.