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Speaker 1: On the huddle with me. We have Tris Shurson Shurson,

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Speaker 1: Willis Prrer and Joe Spagani child fan CEO. Hello you too,

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Speaker 1: Hello Hello Trish. Now what do you make of the

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Speaker 1: police not investigating shoplifting below five hundred bucks?

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Speaker 2: I think it sends the wrong message to everyone. I

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Speaker 2: think it undermines community, the sort of community trust I

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Speaker 2: think it leads into. Already there are concerns around sort

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Speaker 2: of part time or partial policing. There are some small

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Speaker 2: towns around New Zealand where police come in for certain

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Speaker 2: hours of the day from regional regional hubs. I think

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Speaker 2: the other point about it, though, is it's not about

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Speaker 2: the material theft of stuff from shops. The bigger problem

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Speaker 2: here is the safety of frontline people. Think about all

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Speaker 2: the young teenage kids who work in supermarkets, young kids

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Speaker 2: who go to work in a dairy, the dairy owners themselves,

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Speaker 2: the young kids who are on the four court of

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Speaker 2: the petrol station. This is an issue about safety. And

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Speaker 2: I heard you talking earlier about the facial recognition technology

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Speaker 2: that supermarkets have been trialing. Again remembering that that is

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Speaker 2: a technology that is about the safety of the grosses

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Speaker 2: and their teams. In those stores because what it's targeting

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Speaker 2: is the nutso repeat offenders who have probably already been

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Speaker 2: trespassed and they're going to come back in and be

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Speaker 2: abusive and potentially violent to stuff. So I just think

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Speaker 2: this sends the wrong signal at the wrong time.

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Speaker 1: What can you do, though, Josie, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: haven't got enough cops, you haven't got enough cops.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the problem is, I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish.

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Speaker 3: It's the broken windows approach, right that if you leave

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Speaker 3: these smaller crimes, so called smaller crimes, and don't attend

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Speaker 3: to them, then you're basically sending a message you're going

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Speaker 3: to get away with it. And I had, I mean

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, it's not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: My son at university had his motorbike stolen at midnight.

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Speaker 3: Now most students, as you know, are up at midnight,

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Speaker 3: and so his mates were filming this as this van

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Speaker 3: They filmed these guys stealing his motorbike, getting the motorbike

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Speaker 3: slowly into the van, securing it, took a picture of

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Speaker 3: the number plate and nothing was done about it. So

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Speaker 3: you know you're right. The cops are going right well,

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Speaker 3: up which crime? Am I going to attend to? Am

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Speaker 3: I going to attend to that bike stolen? Or am

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Speaker 3: I to go for domestic elence? Issue out and somewhere wherever?

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Speaker 3: So yes, I can't get there, but I think, what

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Speaker 3: when you're interview with the cop and I heard he.

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Speaker 1: Was okay, hold on, I tell you what, Josie, We'll

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Speaker 1: call you back because your line is dodgy, as can

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Speaker 1: you guys call it back, Trish, What do you do though,

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Speaker 1: if we don't have enough cops? We don't have enough cops,

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Speaker 1: So what do we do?

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Speaker 2: In my view, this is one of the areas like health,

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Speaker 2: like education, that has to be absolutely prioritized by politicians

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Speaker 2: because this is part of.

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Speaker 1: The This is what we pay our taxes.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly what we pay our taxes.

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Speaker 1: Actually, the first thing of the establishment of a state,

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Speaker 1: right where you all collectively come together and you go,

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Speaker 1: we're going to put our texts together. It's the first

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Speaker 1: thing you can put your taxes together is safety.

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Speaker 2: And this is part of the social contract that any

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Speaker 2: government has with the people. And we can get distracted

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Speaker 2: with a whole lot of other stuff that happens in

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Speaker 2: the inanity of politics today. But this to me is

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Speaker 2: absolutely we need Josse.

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Speaker 1: Sorry we lost you there. But you were saying that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, And I think what he was trying

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Speaker 4: to say was something quite different, which is that most

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Speaker 4: shoplifters offend about fifty times before they get caught, So

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Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense to kind of go after someone

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Speaker 4: who's stolen something for forty bucks or something. They're probably

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Speaker 4: repeat offenders anyway, So they're focusing on the repeat offenders

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Speaker 4: rather than the kids nicking lollies. But the problem is

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Speaker 4: that they're not being very clear about that. They're also

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Speaker 4: not confronting the fact that two things. One is privacy laws.

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Speaker 4: If we're going to have face recognition storage of that footage,

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Speaker 4: then privacy laws have to catch up pretty quick with that.

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Speaker 4: And the second thing is small businesses and small towns

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Speaker 1: So, Josie, here's how the problem with it. If you

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Speaker 1: let the forty buck one go, then the forty buck

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Speaker 1: one becomes an eighty buck one next time one hundred

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Speaker 1: broken it's your very own broken windows thing that you

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Speaker 1: were talking about before. You need to catch those kids

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Speaker 4: I agree, and I think what they were trying to

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Speaker 4: we're going after the repeat offender. Is not the little

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Speaker 4: you know, kept feeling lolly, but it's come out all wrong.

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Speaker 4: So they need to sort out their messaging.

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Speaker 2: Christal Well and the other risk is that it appears

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Speaker 2: to people who do want to thieve and damage that

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Speaker 2: are below the value. These crimes are being decriminalized effectively.

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Speaker 1: Like don't offended. Now if every time you go to

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Speaker 1: you know, the alternative is everybody drives away with this stuff.

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Speaker 1: On one hundred and fifty. All right, you're back of

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Speaker 1: the huddle. Josepiguanni intricious and so Josie thoughts on what

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Speaker 1: Nicola wore on budget Day.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, this, honestly, this is so ridiculous. She's

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Speaker 4: absolutely right to say, you know, I've got more serious

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Speaker 4: things to think about now rather than what you think

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Speaker 4: about my dress. And I do think there's a bit

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Speaker 4: of cultural cringe there, the idea that a female politician

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Speaker 4: and a female politician and the men don't get the

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Speaker 4: same pressure has to wear this New Zealand designer dress. Whatever. Whatever,

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Speaker 4: We're not the only country that makes nice clothes, for

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Speaker 4: God's sake, She's entitled to wear whatever she wants. If

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Speaker 4: she wants to buy dress from the warehouse, let her

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Speaker 4: go for it. And I think, coming the week after

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Speaker 4: it was okay to call Tory and the national female

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Speaker 4: at what she's wearing, it's really unseemly and it feels

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Speaker 4: really sexist. It feels nasty. So yeah, I mean, if

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Speaker 4: she'd worn a dress that was worth maybe twenty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 4: maybe you'd look at that as she's cutting Kiwi souper

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Speaker 4: and Kiwi favor and pay equity and you'd think that's

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Speaker 4: a bit off. But that would be a money issue,

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Speaker 4: not a design or a clothes issue. So and I

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Speaker 4: actually I thought she looked amazing.

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Speaker 1: I thought she were great as well. It was a

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Speaker 1: very fetching shade of blue. Okay, here, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give you my theory, Trash. This is not a sexism thing,

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Speaker 1: because everybody's a day. We actually talked to the boys

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Speaker 1: like ad nauseum about their ties, right, So it's not sexist.

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Speaker 1: I think what it is is it is deeply unfair

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Speaker 1: lot of on a lot of a lot of hatred

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Speaker 1: from the media because just Cinda, we talked about her outfits,

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Speaker 1: but it was always glowing. So as look she's wearing

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Speaker 1: some j hoo, she's you know, look at her beautiful

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Speaker 4: Yeh, Trish comes in. That's exactly right. One thing I've

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Speaker 4: noticed is that ever since Nicola Willis became an MP,

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Speaker 4: people have discussed in a disparaging way what she looks like,

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Speaker 4: whether it's her hair or makeup or a dress or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So I think you're right there.

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Speaker 2: Can I say something? But can I say something about

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Speaker 2: the woman on the center? Right? There's that great saying

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Speaker 2: about dress for the job you want? And what I

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Speaker 2: love about a lot of the women that I see

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Speaker 2: out and about doing these big jobs. Is that they

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Speaker 2: turn up with the hair done, their makeup on, lipstick

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Speaker 2: done and a nice outfit.

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Speaker 1: You're describing yourself.

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Speaker 2: No, No, And I'm saying, actually, as as someone who

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Speaker 2: you know has to watch politics, I think there is

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Speaker 2: a standard that needs to be upheld. Look at Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters all these years, he's always turned up looking immaculate

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Speaker 2: because it's really important. And on the flip side, I

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Speaker 2: know last week he said, you know that standards in

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Speaker 2: fantastic job with that outfit on last on budget Day.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing I did was on the weekend

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Speaker 2: I went and had a look at the fold where

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Speaker 2: apparently that dress had come from. And what I loved

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Speaker 2: about that site it's obviously a site for practical corporate

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Speaker 2: woman who want to look good and value a hard

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Speaker 2: working polyester crape that if you have an accident on

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Speaker 2: the road, you can actually rinse it out in the

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Speaker 2: bathroom and dry it over the radiator and you'll still

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Speaker 2: look a million bucks in crape. No, absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Two very quick anecdotes to that. I once set up

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Speaker 4: up a group called Socialist can wear lipstick too, and

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Speaker 4: it kind of mutated into socialists can go skiing as

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Speaker 4: well as things like that. So yes, woman on the

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Speaker 4: center left as well, Trish can dress well, put up,

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Speaker 4: they make up, they walk, paint and wear a nice

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Speaker 4: dress and high heels. And the other anecdote I've got

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Speaker 4: he's arriving in a hot Pacific country, because he gets

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Speaker 4: off a plane to greet a prime minister of a

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Speaker 4: So I thought that was an interesting anecdote about his

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's fair too, it does well.

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Speaker 2: And I actually remember a certain minister in the previous

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Speaker 2: government seeing her do a stand up at a senior

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Speaker 2: ministerial meeting in Paris wearing a pair of Chuck Taylor's

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Speaker 2: that were done and I thought, this is absolutely unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: On the domestic political stage, and particularly on the international stage.

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Speaker 2: You need to actually be dressing like a grown.

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Speaker 1: Up, while she wearing track pants as well.

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Speaker 2: A sort of nondescript pair of comfort comfort pants. I

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Speaker 2: would describe them ass.

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Speaker 1: She says, pulling her jacket around her in a peak.

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Speaker 2: A good one hundred percent will crape.

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Speaker 1: I will add this jacket.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, we've talked about clothes and not pay equity,

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Speaker 4: so like you know, we're just modeling.

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Speaker 1: We're only taking the need from senior columnists who apparently

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Speaker 1: you can talk about everything as long as you don't

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Speaker 1: talk about pay equity. Thank you both, I appreciate. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to put some lipstick on forthwith Joe SPEGANI and

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