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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

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Speaker 2: The Mic Hosking Breakfast with our Veda Retirement, Communities, Life

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Speaker 2: Your Way news talk said, b.

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Speaker 3: What do you local today? Change all around us? We've

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Speaker 3: got a new sanctioned system for welfare, a new congestion

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Speaker 3: system for robes. We've got new numbers around the cost

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Speaker 3: of road repair and its effect on productivity. To the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister that's going to work his way through a

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Speaker 3: lot of that. Brian McFadden of Westlife, Keith Duffy and

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Speaker 3: Boys own in after Right, Catherine Field still giddy from

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Speaker 3: the closing in Trance Rod Liddle in the UK for

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Speaker 3: US pasking welcome to the day, seven past six. So

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Speaker 3: tell you what I like about local water Done well

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Speaker 3: is certainly not the name. The name is stupid, but

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Speaker 3: what it improves on Labour's previous ideas is indeed several fold. Firstly,

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Speaker 3: councils retain ownership. The idea that a government rolled in

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Speaker 3: and stole your assets seemed the most extraordinary bout of arrogance.

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Speaker 3: The fact that government ended up literally bribing councils to

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Speaker 3: go along shows you just how power hungry and dangerous

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Speaker 3: labor was. Some councils actually don't have water issues the

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Speaker 3: same way some polytechs were doing very nicely, thank you did,

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Speaker 3: and all need up ending. Then we got the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Labour wanted four gargantuan operators. That was expanded to ten

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Speaker 3: when yet again councils showed them the error of their ways.

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Speaker 3: And then we had the Mari hijack, where Labour's obsession

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Speaker 3: with making everything about the treaty took away the specific

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Speaker 3: issue of water and made it all about race. So

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Speaker 3: councils keep their stuff good is allowing them to borrow

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Speaker 3: up to five times their income. Wise, that potentially is

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Speaker 3: a risk, given some councils have their act together and some,

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Speaker 3: of course are useless. The broad idea, though, of debt

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Speaker 3: over the lifetime of an asset does make more sense.

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Speaker 3: So too, in theory does the collaboration of counsel's idea.

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Speaker 3: Although whether councils not actually geographically connected can do business

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Speaker 3: in a way that makes sense and is worthwhiless open

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Speaker 3: to some speculation. I would have thought, then the five

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Speaker 3: times debt question, it's only workable if the problem gets solved.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like housing if you think about it,

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Speaker 3: if you can borrow say five times your income for

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Speaker 3: a mortgage, and that is five times, say seventy five

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars, that's three hundred and seventy five grand. If

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Speaker 3: the house isn't Aukland, you still don't have a house.

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Speaker 3: Once again, it's a theory that it will be interesting

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Speaker 3: to see whether it plays out properly. Then councils and

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Speaker 3: their attitude to debt. Having borrowed, there will of course

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Speaker 3: be an interest cost. Do they pay that down or not?

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Speaker 3: And if not, do the rate payers pay the premium forever?

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Speaker 3: So a few questions to be answered, but the buy

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Speaker 3: in seems solid and the hope is reasonable. So potentially

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Speaker 3: this government has cracked what the last one couldn't, and

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Speaker 3: they did it largely through common sense, not mad ideology.

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Speaker 1: Why News of the World in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: London other night doing it's ref as a knife capital

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Speaker 3: no good as an eleven year old and her mum

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Speaker 3: have been stabbed a guards the hero.

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Speaker 4: He jumped on him.

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Speaker 5: The hand in Aho wasn't hanging a knife and they

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Speaker 5: just put him down on the floor and just spoil

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Speaker 5: him and picked the knife away from him.

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Speaker 6: And then a couple of more people don't as well,

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Speaker 6: and we just spoiled him and then the police.

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Speaker 3: Can this witness thinks the same thing everyone else does.

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Speaker 7: Here, just on this treat as well.

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Speaker 1: So there was disturbing in the night, but on a

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Speaker 1: daytime like a woman a child. It's crazy.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't feel myself to be saved on

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Speaker 7: the street.

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Speaker 3: This is less a square by the way. James Raycliffe,

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Speaker 3: he's in the news this morning, you know any else,

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Speaker 3: Manchester United, all that stuff. He says he no longer

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Speaker 3: feels safe in London, doesn't wear a watch. The watch

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Speaker 3: thing is a big deal in that part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Now to the war where the Ukraine and the offensive

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Speaker 3: seems to be working.

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Speaker 8: People here are very enthusiastic. They really want to see

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Speaker 8: Russia being put under pressure. They really feel very strongly,

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Speaker 8: look at the Russians that invaded us, so why can't

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Speaker 8: we sort of, you know, stick it to.

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Speaker 3: Them if you like? Zelinski certainly upbeat about it.

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Speaker 5: Ukraine is proving that it can indeed restore justice and

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Speaker 5: ensure the necessary pressure on the aggressive.

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Speaker 3: Then stateside a couple of trump things. One he claims

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Speaker 3: a crowd singer at in the airport for a heros

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Speaker 3: rally was aied tim from Minnesota. Ain't having that.

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Speaker 9: On Wednesday, the largest crowd of the campaign showed up

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Speaker 9: in Detroit, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: It's not as if anybody cares about crowd sizes or anything.

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Speaker 3: And two, the Trump social media companies still losing money

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Speaker 3: and shares it down.

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Speaker 10: They generated just eight hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 10: in revenue, that is down thirty percent year over year.

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Speaker 3: The losses are piling up. They posted a loss of

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Speaker 3: sixteen point four million dollars. Finally, an Australian study published

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Speaker 3: in the journal Cancer has looked at deaths from thirty

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Speaker 3: different types of cancer and one hundred ninety five countries

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Speaker 3: men don't fare well. By twenty fifty cases will have doubled.

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Speaker 3: The twenty million old deaths will do the same to

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Speaker 3: and older. Deaths up some ninety three percent. In Africa

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Speaker 3: and the Mead, those numbers are expected to increase by

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty percent Europe bit better expected to

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Speaker 3: get a little bit healthier, actually prevent more. You would

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Speaker 3: think that from everything we know about cancer treatment, that

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Speaker 3: we'd be heading in the right direction. That is news

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Speaker 3: of the world in ninety seconds, just quickly on the war.

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Speaker 3: Putin won't be happy at the moment. They got two

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Speaker 3: incursions to deal with and major incursions from the Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: so he's out quote unquote a worthy response. Meantime, the

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Speaker 3: Americans seem increasingly worried about what a run's going to do,

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Speaker 3: so they've ordered a carrier strike group with the F

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Speaker 3: thirty five ce fighter jets as well as a guided

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Speaker 3: retaliation from a run. Twelve past six, the.

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Speaker 3: Zippy has answered my question. I don't know what we

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Speaker 3: do about Venezuela because I was asking the question yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You know, so everyone disputes the result. What are they

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Speaker 3: going to do? Well, they're going to ask for a

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Speaker 3: worldwide protest seventeenth of August. I don't know what that's

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Speaker 3: going to do. But they say Gonzales is winner. Madeiro

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Speaker 3: says he's win. So see what happens. Fifteen past six

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Speaker 3: stuff rights having funds management. Let's Tuesday on a Greg

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Speaker 3: Smith Morning to You morning. I'm always interested in JB

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Speaker 3: High five because they see it. There's sort of two stories.

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Speaker 3: There's here and there's there. They the same story this time.

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Speaker 3: Are things divergent?

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Speaker 11: Quite divergent. So this was interesting really, So yeah, they

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Speaker 11: came results for the full years, so sales fell a

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Speaker 11: marginal point four percent. Earnings they were down sixteen percent.

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Speaker 11: It's sixhid forty seven million, eight dollars. But salts are

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Speaker 11: better than expected. But yeah, quite different the stories. So

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Speaker 11: the story across the Tasman fourth quarter was strong. JB

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Speaker 11: High five sales in Australia two point six percent. They

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Speaker 11: had a bit of discounting. They said, July is going well,

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Speaker 11: bit different to what Nick Scaley has been saying. Actually,

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Speaker 11: but the good guy's business that's also improving, that's benefiting

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Speaker 11: different story this side of the ditch there, Mike. New

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Speaker 11: highlights might keep consumers are doing it tougher. You know,

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Speaker 11: High Fight Australia makes up the line share of sales

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Speaker 11: as land to make acquisitions. They've announced in the fifty

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Speaker 11: million acquisition of a luxury kitchen, launching bathroom appliants outfit

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Speaker 11: two hundred million A dollars. So investors like that might

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Speaker 11: the shares up eight percent new record high for JB.

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Speaker 11: Cars actually similar story, it's it's different across the teasman

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Speaker 3: So look at car sales.

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Speaker 11: So this is the largest digital digital marketplace for vehicles

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Speaker 11: in Australia. So they've got around two point six million

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty five financial gear is going to be equally

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Speaker 11: And yeah, lots of used car yards are struggling, including

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Speaker 11: had actually went into liquidation. Yeah exactly, but yeah, real

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Speaker 3: Might Okay, Taiwan talk to me, are you?

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Speaker 11: So look, we're talking AI chips here and we're going

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Speaker 11: to have to relate to wait to the end of

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Speaker 11: the month for results from the Vina Shit stocks actually

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Speaker 11: here from Taiwan's semiconductor. So Video is actually just a

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Speaker 11: about ninety percent effect of the advance on ones that

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Speaker 11: we're talking about now. They said that sales in July

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Speaker 11: eight billion US dollars. Now what was driving that? Of course,

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Speaker 11: it was AI demand. So they're a real bell whether

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Speaker 11: they produced chips for Nvidia, but also AMD and like

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Speaker 11: they're also the sole supply of processes for Apple's iPhones,

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Speaker 11: And this is a big implication Mike of the AI

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Speaker 11: Search does. So data center demand that's set to consumes

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Speaker 11: much as five percent of global electricity demand by the

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Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks, Mike, good to be here.

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Speaker 14: Look, I mean I hope not. This is the sort

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Speaker 3: First, Okay, and do what I don't believe sim and

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Speaker 14: Well, I think what they've said out here and this

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Speaker 14: They want to smooth the peaks because we've spent so

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Speaker 14: Of course, they do raise revenue, right, and you've got

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Speaker 3: Right, so you would use it for roads presumably.

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Speaker 14: Well, what they've said here is that they'll ring fence

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Speaker 14: So what this really means is that, you know, we're

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Speaker 14: And of course that brings risks all of its own.

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Speaker 3: Is it inflationary? I mean, a career has to go

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Speaker 14: Well, you know, we already spend far more on our

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Speaker 3: Do you need to control councils because once you give

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Speaker 14: Do you need to control check? I think there's there's

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Speaker 14: But of course you need local governments to get something

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Speaker 3: The reason I ask is you look at you lads

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Speaker 14: Well, a bridge starting to breach the society limits and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: Well, exactly the way up in Edinburgh before you know it.

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Speaker 14: Well, congestion charging is always something you want to think

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Speaker 3: Good only Jep, nice to talk, You appreciate it. Jeff

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Speaker 3: Cooper's the New Zealand Infrastructure Commission General Manager. Of course,

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Speaker 3: legislation through parliament. And part of the reason I will

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Speaker 3: raise this in an hour with Christopher Luxen is the

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Speaker 3: reason it's taking so long to get through Parliament's Parliament's

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Speaker 3: never opened. You notice that they've like three or four

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Speaker 3: weeks off for the score holidays, then they came back

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Speaker 3: for the last two weeks and they're off again. Luxeon's

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Speaker 3: in the studio? Is he in the studio this morning?

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Speaker 3: He's in the studio this Morning's no parliament? Why is

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Speaker 3: parliament closed this week? For God's sake? What's the matter

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Speaker 3: with them? Eighteen away from seven pasking Tomorrow's big day

445
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Speaker 3: is going to be disappointing day, but it is going

446
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Speaker 3: to be a big day. Increasingly the banks, the retail banks,

447
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Speaker 3: including the Employer's Manufacturers Association. We need a positive signal

448
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Speaker 3: from the RB, THEB the cash raider is what we're

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Speaker 3: talking about. B and Z should have already cut interest rates.

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Speaker 3: That what they're saying as seems to have been led.

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Speaker 3: This whole campaign seems to have been led by Kiwibank.

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Speaker 3: Shifting direction was necessary for the economy. They say, you've

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Speaker 3: got to start cutting as they've changed their mind, and

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Speaker 3: expect the RB to begin cutting this week. They're dreaming

455
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Speaker 3: so October November. Depending on who you're talking to, I

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Speaker 3: mean it would be and I think Brad Olsen runs

457
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Speaker 3: the best argument of all. It would be a gargantuan

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Speaker 3: climb down from the Reserve Bank. If tomorrow they came

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Speaker 3: out and cut. But that's why tomorrow is going to

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Speaker 3: be a big day. Tremendous amount of expectation. Eighteen to

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Speaker 3: two The.

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Speaker 2: Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, car it

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Speaker 2: By News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It be Mike, what's James Sure up to these days?

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Speaker 3: The congestion guyer reminded me of him. He works for

466
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Speaker 3: a company called Morrison, which is an investment investment sort

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Speaker 3: of operation, if you like, and I'm sure having the

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Speaker 3: time of his life. Mike, Let's be honest. When the

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Speaker 3: congestion charge it doesn't work to reduce congestion, It just doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It's another tax. Couldn't agree more. I actually back it.

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Speaker 3: I think you you're better off taxing people who use

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Speaker 3: roads a lot more than you are taxing people who

473
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Speaker 3: don't use roads a lot to raise money for roads.

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Speaker 3: But to suggest, as Simeon did yesterday, that it's not

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Speaker 3: about raising revenues just b Yes.

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Speaker 15: Six forty five International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance

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Speaker 15: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 5: Greetings to you curding morning mate.

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Speaker 3: How you how you all feeling? You're sitting there in

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Speaker 3: the glow of success. Do you reckon?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think so everyone's realized that, yes, it was a

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Speaker 5: big throw of the dice five Harris to put on

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Speaker 5: this enormous Olympic show over two weeks where most of

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Speaker 5: the stadium's outdoors people were able to if they didn't

486
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Speaker 5: have tickets, are able to look inside. The security was

487
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Speaker 5: always going to be a nightmare. A lot of people said,

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Speaker 5: don't do it, just don't do it, and they did

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Speaker 5: it and it worked. So I think everyone's kind of

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Speaker 5: on a bit of a buzz, and you don't, Mike,

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Speaker 5: even the Parisians are a.

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Speaker 3: Bit chirpy at the moment. Good stuff. Security seemed to work.

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Speaker 3: It rained more than I thought. The scene was a mistake,

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Speaker 3: but security seemed to work.

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Speaker 7: Is that fair? I think that's fair.

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Speaker 5: But you do have to remember, Mike that they brought

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Speaker 5: in more than one hundred thousand private security guards, gendarmes,

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Speaker 5: police soldiers. And you look at it, and you look

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Speaker 5: at the numbers, for example, for pickpockets on the Paris Metro,

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Speaker 5: virtually none this whole time. You look at sort of

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Speaker 5: petty crime, virtually none around Paris.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it did work.

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Speaker 5: But at the big cost of a constant police presence

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Speaker 5: in central Paris. But now any men, said, Mike, you

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Speaker 5: a lot of these arenas were in a very small area,

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Speaker 5: so it was actually only like one suburb and a

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Speaker 5: bit across the other side of the sand on the

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Speaker 5: right bank, where you had this big police presence.

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Speaker 3: As a model, and I was reading a lot yesterday

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Speaker 3: about Ala and how they're doing, and they're a city

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Speaker 3: of Stadia and all that sort of stuff. As a model,

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Speaker 3: would Paris go again, given what they already had versus

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Speaker 3: what they had to spend, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: I think so, And I'm judging that on just what

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Speaker 5: they're saying about the what I said, the twenty thirty

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Speaker 5: Winter Olympics, which are going to be in France. Who

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Speaker 5: they are, and they've decided not to just go for

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Speaker 5: one particular town like Chamani, which has had.

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Speaker 3: The Olympics before.

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Speaker 5: They're going for a whole region, So they're going to

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Speaker 5: be spreading it around areas of France like this that's

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Speaker 5: already got the infrastructure. So they feel that this model

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Speaker 5: has worked, they feel that it can work again. Up

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Speaker 5: in the mountains in the snow.

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Speaker 3: All right, very nice and of course you might want

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Speaker 3: to get back to try and I take it during

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Speaker 3: the games, you didn't organize a government that we missed.

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Speaker 5: You didn't miss anything. You know, really mke to be

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Speaker 5: honest with you, it is going to be a harsh

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Speaker 5: landing for President Macron the next day or two because

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Speaker 5: whilst he has been shuttling between Paris and his home

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Speaker 5: on the south of France, the politics has gone on

533
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Speaker 5: and people have been jogging for position. People have been

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Speaker 5: making it known who they think should be Prime Minister

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Speaker 5: and various other cabinet posts. So he's going to have

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Speaker 5: a rude awakening when he comes back because even though

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Speaker 5: people are happy about the Olympics, they're happy about the

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Speaker 5: number of medals France got, they're still very unhappy with him,

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Speaker 5: and they're very unhappy at not having a government.

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Speaker 3: Exactly go well, catch up next. I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 3: Catherine Field in France with us this morning. It's LA

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Speaker 3: twenty eight, fifty sports, eight hundred events. It opens fourteen

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Speaker 3: July twenty eight, closes thirtieth of July twenty eighth, third

544
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Speaker 3: time they've hosted the Colosseum is famed Colosseum is gonna

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Speaker 3: host the athletics. They're gonna put the volleyball on an

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Speaker 3: actual beach because they're not short of them so far.

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Speaker 3: Which is a brilliant stadium home of the Rams and

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Speaker 3: the Chargers. They're gonna put a pull in. They don't

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Speaker 3: have a pool in there, but they're gonna put a

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Speaker 3: pull in. So that's quite cool. You see, LA is

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Speaker 3: going to be the village, as in the athletes village.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a crack at cricket, which I think

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Speaker 3: is a big mistake. Lacrosse is going to be back

554
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Speaker 3: first time in more than a century. Baseball softball, they're

555
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Speaker 3: going to give that a whirl. That comes back squash

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Speaker 3: for the first time. Flag football is stupid. It's not

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Speaker 3: a sport. It's a fun activity.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, you're starting on this with a but I'm

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Speaker 4: bill ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm building up. We're starting. You never start too early

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Speaker 3: on dumb sports.

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Speaker 4: What if we went gold in it, though, like we

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Speaker 4: did with the everybody rushed out of the Whitewater butcher.

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Speaker 3: The guy I said, is not as good as gold.

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Speaker 3: The gold's gold, I'll give you that, but it's not

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Speaker 3: as good as gold as a traditional gold as what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying surfing's back, skateboardings back sport, climbing's back. Big

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Speaker 3: mistake breaking is not now. Read a very interesting article

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Speaker 3: yesterday about how Raygun actually got to the Olympics. The

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Speaker 3: borders on scandal.

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Speaker 4: Also, are they going to do the triathlon and the

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Speaker 4: La River?

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Speaker 3: Good question? I don't think so. It'll probably use the

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Speaker 3: Paul if I was putting a special pool into the SAPA.

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Speaker 4: So that's what they did in Paris. You see they

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Speaker 4: put the pool in the football stadium in Paris as well.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just wondering if the if they're going to

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Speaker 4: do the swimming and the dirty river in La they

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Speaker 4: think that's a good idea too.

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Speaker 3: I'd go down to the beach. It is, what is it.

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Speaker 3: It's nineteen minutes away from sevenstel.

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Speaker 1: Breakfas with Bailey's real estate news talks, there'd be.

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Speaker 3: Mike, I mean, you may as well if you're going

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Speaker 3: to go, if you're going to go down the track going,

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Speaker 3: you might as well go darts. Mike top show. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm very nice of you to say you spoke about

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Speaker 3: the Parliament not being open. I've always won and did

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Speaker 3: what those in opposition are doing when the Parliament isn't

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Speaker 3: sitting while they sit on committees. If they're a list

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Speaker 3: MP and they're not really high up on a committee,

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Speaker 3: they basically do nothing, is the answer to the question. Now,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be opposed to the parliament not being open

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Speaker 3: if there wasn't business to be done. But there is

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Speaker 3: business to be done. They announced the congestion charges yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Do the congestion charges start next Monday? No, they do not.

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Speaker 3: They've got to pass the legislation. When's the legislation being passed?

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Speaker 3: Well not this year? Why not? Because the parliament's not open,

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Speaker 3: so there's plenty to do. And that's before I get

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Speaker 3: to my upset, as revealed on this program yesterday from

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Speaker 3: Sunny Kershel, who we know and love, but was can

601
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Speaker 3: I be blunt and say bought off by this government?

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Speaker 3: Stuck on a committee to solve the crime problem? And

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Speaker 3: then Todd we were told, don't worry. The fact that

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Speaker 3: it's going for two years doesn't really matter because they're

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Speaker 3: sitting down and they're getting stuck into this. And you'll

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Speaker 3: hear the first ideas within a couple of weeks. Well

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Speaker 3: that was a month ago, if not longer. And I

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Speaker 3: find out from Sunny yesterday. They haven't even met, they

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Speaker 3: haven't done it anything. So the announcement was made weeks

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Speaker 3: ago for what nothing?

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Speaker 4: Is that? The best way to solve the crime problem, though,

612
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Speaker 4: is to just give all the people who complain about

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Speaker 4: the crime problem a job solving the crime problem. Five

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Speaker 4: they just go away and you'd never hear from them again.

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Speaker 3: Well, they came on the program yesterday, Glenn, that was

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Speaker 3: the point. What's the matter with you this morning? You

617
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Speaker 3: seem to be a little cynical. Yeah, five minutes away,

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Speaker 3: five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Well, the ins and the ouse.

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Speaker 2: It's the fizz with business, Faber, take your business productivity

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Speaker 2: to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Right, builders, not good eboss. They've done the laggest builder

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Speaker 3: Sentiment report, six hundred and fifty New Zealand firms they've surveyed.

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Speaker 3: On average, most firms operating at just sixty seven percent,

625
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Speaker 3: down from eighty three couple of years ago, So most

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Speaker 3: firms have worked for about eight point six months instead

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Speaker 3: of eleven point two. Number of firms operating at forty

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Speaker 3: nine percent or less has quadrupled in the last two years,

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Speaker 3: and that's up from twenty one percent. That's not good.

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Speaker 3: Sixty seven percent reporting less demand, thirty eight percent noticing

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Speaker 3: an increase in the number of projects put on whole

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Speaker 3: thirty four percent see an increase in outright cancelations. Immediate

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Speaker 3: future not bright. Seventy percent say conditions will continue to

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Speaker 3: get worse. That's that's a guess. I mean, we hope

635
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Speaker 3: we're wrong, but I mean the other numbers are actual facts.

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Speaker 3: But seventy percent think conditions are going to get worse

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Speaker 3: over the next twelve months. Good news. Can I find

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Speaker 3: some good news? Yes, only fifteen percent of reporting a

639
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Speaker 3: shortage of skilled labor, which is down from thirty three

640
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Speaker 3: So yes, the immigration solved the labor problem. Not to

641
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Speaker 3: mention the downsizing of your business. So it's a problem

642
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Speaker 3: with that is if you've got some of the best

643
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Speaker 3: builders in the game, but you've got no work for

644
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Speaker 3: them to do, it's still a problem. Do you want

645
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Speaker 3: to interview the Prime Minister glin Is that where you're

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Speaker 3: angling at?

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Speaker 12: I just.

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Speaker 3: Better work out well, why don't know, We'll see what

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Speaker 3: you can interview on. He can come in here and

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Speaker 3: sit in here, do a glink. Actually, don't do that.

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Speaker 3: You might be good. What if you're good? Damn I

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Speaker 3: know what it is.

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Speaker 4: Let's be honest, there is no chance of that.

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't have said that out loud. So where are we

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Speaker 3: going with the welfare the light the traffic light system

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Speaker 3: is this was this ideology or something practical? I mean,

657
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Speaker 3: of their thousand people are suddenly going to get peened.

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Speaker 3: I quite like the card idea where they've been doing

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Speaker 3: it in places like Northern Territory for years. In Australia,

660
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Speaker 3: it's a nect idea. They stole it from them. So

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Speaker 3: we'll have a look at this in the next half hour.

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Speaker 3: And Brian McFadden and Keith Duffy are with us after

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Speaker 3: light o'clock.

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Speaker 2: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to

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Speaker 2: like my costing breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local

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Speaker 2: experts across residential, commercial and rural news talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be it is seven past seven, as well as

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Speaker 3: congestion charge news. The government also rolled out this new

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Speaker 3: traffic light sanctioned system for wealthy yesterday. The worst culprits

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Speaker 3: are handed the money Management card where half the benefit

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Speaker 3: can only be spent on essentials. Now, the former Wealthare

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Speaker 3: Expert Advisory Group member Phillo Riley's with us on this

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Speaker 3: feel very good morning to you, Mike. Does it address

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Speaker 3: the malaise of those who can't be bothered? Are there

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Speaker 3: a lot of those? And does it make a material difference.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's probably a sensible move, Mike. The idea when

677
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Speaker 13: we did the Walker for Advising Group, the authillages people

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Speaker 13: SHO don't have sanctions of what I do something that's sustainable.

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Speaker 13: I think the public expects that if you're not going

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Speaker 13: to follow all of the rules, then you're going to

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Speaker 13: get sanctioned. But at the same time, you don't want

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Speaker 13: those sanctions to hurt the kids and the family of

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Speaker 13: the person being sanctioned. So the idea of saying, well,

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Speaker 13: we'll let you have the money, but you can only

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Speaker 13: spend it on certain things, in this case probably groceries

686
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Speaker 13: and get and so on, I think that's sensible because

687
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Speaker 13: what you don't want to do is hurt kids, and

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Speaker 13: I think the government's trying to get to that and

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Speaker 13: all the rest of the things are putting in place

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Speaker 13: around you can phone and need of to chow out

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Speaker 13: to a wind's office, which is pretty dehumanizing. I thought

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Speaker 13: when I looked at it, all of those things I

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Speaker 13: think are sensible. So those complaining about it, I think

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Speaker 13: you need to just think about what's the other side

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Speaker 13: of this, In other words, taxpas paying for this, what

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Speaker 13: do they expect because it shouldn't just be a free

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Speaker 13: reign to go do anything you like.

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Speaker 3: So you're arguing it's not beneficially bashing, it's not cruelty,

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Speaker 3: it's what you would expect in a transactional relationship.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, particularly when you think of that traffic light system,

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Speaker 13: so that it's not as it just comes out of

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Speaker 13: the blue. You're getting a warning, you're getting some capacity

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Speaker 13: to change. So on the one thing I think, Mike,

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Speaker 13: where they might want to put some more thought and

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Speaker 13: is about getting work ready. What you don't want also

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Speaker 13: is is that people turn up to a job and

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Speaker 13: then don't like the job and they spend in and

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Speaker 13: out of their job. So what the government didn't do

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Speaker 13: much today the yesterday in terms are talking about it

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Speaker 13: was getting work ready. And I suspect that because the

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Speaker 13: politics don't play for them, they wanted to talk to

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Speaker 13: their crowd yesterday about sanctions.

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Speaker 3: But which was my question. I mean, how many people

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Speaker 3: are actually the problem versus how much of this is

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Speaker 3: just Hey, look we've done this and you can't argue

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Speaker 3: with it.

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Speaker 13: A little bit of both. Actually it's a bigger what

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Speaker 13: was happening under the last government. Because sanctions had basically

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Speaker 13: gone away to a large extent, you're seeing a startup

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Speaker 13: and this growth in the number of long term beneficiaries

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Speaker 13: even though the job market was actually very very tight.

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Speaker 13: So it does demonstrate the need of balance in this mic.

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Speaker 13: And I think the I think that you know under

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Speaker 13: the one thing that was happening very well under the

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Speaker 13: last government was the idea of at least building some

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Speaker 13: work capable skills. So the idea of getting people a

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Speaker 13: driver's license and a site safety since they get and

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Speaker 13: so on, just so they could go get a job

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Speaker 13: in construction for example. All of that I think is

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Speaker 13: a really important part of building the capacity for people

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Speaker 13: to move off well here. So most people do want

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Speaker 13: to do that. I mean, there are some people who

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Speaker 13: just want to stick around and do nothing, and they

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Speaker 13: should be sanctioned, of course, But most people want a job,

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Speaker 13: so we should have a bit of yin and yang,

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Speaker 13: and this about making sure we can do both.

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Speaker 3: I agree. The problem the other day with the unemployment

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Speaker 3: figure is half the people who lost their job between

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Speaker 3: I can't remember sixteen or eighteen or eighteen or nineteen

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Speaker 3: or whatever. What are they doing with that? Not in

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Speaker 3: school with no qualifications? Unemployed? There's something fundamentally wrong, there

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Speaker 3: isn't there.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, it always happens when you get unemployment the unemployment

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Speaker 13: rate you see in the public, Double that for young people,

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Speaker 13: double it again from our specific people, double it again

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Speaker 13: for those people living in rural and regional New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: And that'll be going on this time too. I'm sure

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Speaker 13: the numbers will demonstrate that they always do. So this

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Speaker 13: is about your absolutely you right, making sure that our

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Speaker 13: school system provides kids with work ready skills, which is

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Speaker 13: about literacy numerously and so on, digital skills. But it's

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Speaker 13: also about activating support systems for them because in every

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Speaker 13: of the dead fashion system is it's not going to

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Speaker 13: and are out on a time to do that sort

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Speaker 13: of stuff, and a lot of it's about to bring

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Speaker 13: back six things, as us saying drivers and some basic

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Speaker 13: work ready skills and then turn up skills and where

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Speaker 13: are uniform skills, customer server skills. All of those things

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Speaker 13: become quite important, I think whens in this case where

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Speaker 13: those kids are spinning straight back out into welfare can

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Speaker 13: do a better job of doing some of that kind

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Speaker 13: of work. I know they already are doing it. Some

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Speaker 13: great people inside those winds officers doing some of that work.

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Speaker 13: I think we need to do more of it because

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Speaker 13: that'll build an employer confidence about taking these kids on

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Speaker 13: exactly well.

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Speaker 3: Unfelt appreciate it. Phillow Riley, former Welfare Expert Advisory Group member,

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Speaker 3: eleven minutes past seven. Just like everything else turns out

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Speaker 3: and new numbers shared, the cost of repairing our roads

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Speaker 3: is rising. In the past six years. One specific surface

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Speaker 3: has gone up two hundred thousand dollars gone up two

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand up. So for the same kilometers stretcher broke

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Speaker 3: did cost four hundred and twenty four thousand, now it

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Speaker 3: cost six hundred and twelve. These arensed Ta figures. Infometric's

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Speaker 3: principle economist Brad Olson was involved in this's working as

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Speaker 3: well as bred morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: How much of its pure inflation versus you know, just

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Speaker 3: put the price up because we can.

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Speaker 16: I think there's a few things going on. I mean,

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Speaker 16: you're right, there is some pure inflation going on there.

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Speaker 16: If you look at you know, bitchmand prices, price of labor,

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Speaker 16: you know, getting people to do all this work, cones

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Speaker 16: and everything else. Myken have increased. But I think as well,

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Speaker 16: you look at that figure you just quoted for the

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Speaker 16: sealed road pavement rehabilitation, which is a bit.

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Speaker 13: Of a mouthful.

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Speaker 16: I think what that also highlights is that that is

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Speaker 16: almost like a full reconstruction, because for resealing, it's gone up,

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Speaker 16: but sort of not by as much. It's sort of

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Speaker 16: relatively stable in the numbers. But that rehabilitation, that's basically

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Speaker 16: where you're almost having to redo the road, but it's

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Speaker 16: gotten to such a station. I think that highlights that

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Speaker 16: over time there hasn't could have been enough money in

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Speaker 16: the transport budget that hasn't gone into the right areas.

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Speaker 16: Roads have degraded, and therefore when you have to go

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Speaker 16: and redo them, that's sort of in a worse state,

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Speaker 16: so you have to almost restart from scratch. Plus, of

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Speaker 16: course we've had much much worse whether the last couple

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Speaker 16: of years that have sort of recked the roading network

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Speaker 16: even more so. I think all of this is reflective

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Speaker 16: of the fact that you know, not only is building

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Speaker 16: construction infrastructure work a whole lot more expensive there's more

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Speaker 16: of it to do, and often we're starting from a

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Speaker 16: worse state, which often increases the cost. So there's sort

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Speaker 16: of a doubling, tripling up effect that's coming through here

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Speaker 16: that's making everything more expensive.

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Speaker 3: Is there a transport funding problem with politics? Is there

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Speaker 3: too much mucking around and that is that part of

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Speaker 3: the equation or not?

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Speaker 16: Oh, I definitely don't think it helps. I mean, there's

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Speaker 16: two things that I think frustrate a lot of people.

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Speaker 16: One is that you know, every three years we go

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Speaker 16: through the planning cycle from ZPA and they sort of

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Speaker 16: put together watch money they think needs to go on

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Speaker 16: to certain areas, and often you do have some pretty

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Speaker 16: big chopping and changing. I mean, I've looked at the

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Speaker 16: National and Transport Fund for the last sort of decade

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Speaker 16: or so, and you know there's every time we have

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Speaker 16: to sort of swap out one activity class swap and

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Speaker 16: another one figure out how they sort of match up

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Speaker 16: over time. So all of that does add costs and complication.

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Speaker 16: The greater worry, I think is that you for the

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Speaker 16: bigger projects, when politicians come in and you know, they

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Speaker 16: decide they want to take a different track, they often

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Speaker 16: will pause on a whole bunch of work while they

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Speaker 16: get their other projects ready to go now.

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Speaker 13: Because those new projects aren't.

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Speaker 16: Ready immediately, it takes you a year to butter buy

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Speaker 16: the land, planet all out, design its scope at speck

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Speaker 16: at all that before you get shovels in the ground.

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Speaker 16: It means that you often have this sort of big

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Speaker 16: hole and infrastructure activity at the start of every government term,

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Speaker 16: and it happens every time there's a change of government.

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Speaker 16: But I think more broadly that the challenge here Wright

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Speaker 16: is that we've got a lot of infrastructure that we

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Speaker 16: need to continue to progress with some of the cost

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Speaker 16: increases that have come through. Even if Cartahi is saying, look,

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Speaker 16: we've been providing a huge bunch more money into the

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Speaker 16: transport system, that might be true, you're getting less thing

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Speaker 16: for bucks, you're actually probably doing less actual volume work

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Speaker 16: and paying more for it. That's the challenge that we

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Speaker 16: continue to get bitten on price and cost escalation, which

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Speaker 16: means we've got to be a lot smarter with how

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Speaker 16: much infrastructure we're doing what's the most urgent and right work,

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Speaker 16: because otherwise we're going to continue to see those numbers

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Speaker 16: go up.

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Speaker 3: Stop it, bred you're making too much sense. Bread Al's

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Speaker 3: a Infometrics principal economist with us this morning. By the way,

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Speaker 3: B tell you what has gone up in price since?

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Speaker 3: That's the first time you've heard that in a long

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Speaker 17: To you, Mariy Micah.

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Speaker 3: How big a sales job you got to make this

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Speaker 3: one work for you this year?

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Speaker 17: The biggest job we've got is to get our supporters

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Speaker 17: backing us. We've got to get sponsorship. The situation financially

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Speaker 17: it is precarious, but we're absolutely determined to run a

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Speaker 17: show for twenty four as the in better place to

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Speaker 17: run a normal show in twenty five?

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Speaker 3: Good from your expertise. What was the problem is that

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Speaker 3: the structure. Was it the structure of the way it

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Speaker 17: Personality is basically there is a board which then lost

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Speaker 17: confidence in the general committee. The general committee lost confidence

877
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Speaker 17: in the board. The two would not work together and

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Speaker 17: the whole arrangement became dysfunctional. And the easy answer for

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Speaker 17: the then board was to say, we're not running a

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Speaker 17: show that's not good enough for me. This show is

881
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Speaker 17: absolutely iconic. It's part of show week. How do you

882
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Speaker 17: have a show week if you haven't got a show?

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Speaker 17: So myself and other people have put our hands up

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Speaker 17: and said we're going to do our best to get

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Speaker 17: this back on track.

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Speaker 3: How different does twenty four look from twenty five?

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Speaker 17: Then twenty four will be a bit smaller. We've only

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Speaker 17: got ninety three days to do it. We've engaged a

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Speaker 17: professional event management company called event Hire. They're working very

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Speaker 17: professionally with us and between themselves, and we will run

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Speaker 17: a show. I don't think people will notice a big difference.

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Speaker 17: But what people need to do, be they urban people

893
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Speaker 17: or rural people, if they want this show to continue

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Speaker 17: they've got to come out and support us and be

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Speaker 17: there over the two days.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff might go well with it's the Devid cart

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Speaker 3: and new Canterby AMP Association board cheer. We wish them

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Speaker 3: the best with that trade me data this morning on

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Speaker 3: the property could be the time to buy buyers market.

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Speaker 3: They think now that conditions are likely to change in

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Speaker 3: the coming months. I do too, with springing, a bunch

902
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Speaker 3: of stuff happening, our interest rates coming down, all that stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the average asking price right here right now is around

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars less than it was at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of the year, lowest it's been in three years. As

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Speaker 3: regards listings, listing's under a million, which is sort of talking.

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Speaker 3: In the first time buyer market, they're up twenty seven

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Speaker 3: percent on the year. If you want to be specific

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Speaker 3: for first time buyers six to eight hundred thousand, they're

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Speaker 3: up twenty nine percent. Longer time for houses to sell

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Speaker 3: medium number of days has gone from seventy three to

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Speaker 3: seventy five in July, so there's lots more houses. They're

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Speaker 3: on the market longer, and they're sort of in your

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Speaker 3: price range. Hence they're claiming that it's the buyer's market.

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Speaker 3: My best story of the day belongs to Lewis Pollock

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Speaker 3: speaking of housing and it's a brilliant story. And more

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Speaker 3: on that later on seven twenty.

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Speaker 3: twenty four. So what to make of the so called

945
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Speaker 3: power crisis? Right, Mike Fus about this time yesterday on

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Speaker 3: the program Contact Energy gave an eloquent defense of the

947
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Speaker 3: power industry. He said, look, it works fine. Yes, we're

948
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Speaker 3: in a period of transition. The investment is being made.

949
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Speaker 3: It will work out well in the end. Now tell

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Speaker 3: that to the mills who have so far closed or

951
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Speaker 3: stopped and the workers who were waiting to hear whether

952
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: they've got jobs. Tell that to the businesses paying double

953
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: what they did last year for pout. Tell that to

954
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Speaker 3: the farming sector, the likes of Fontira, who now say

955
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Speaker 3: this affects our export competitiveness. They claim they've been arguing

956
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Speaker 3: for industry reform for ages. Now EN's co are into meet.

957
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: They're paying twice what they were last year, and you

958
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Speaker 3: know who that gets passed on to. Meantime, the government

959
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: looking at LNG contact yesterday claimed on this program an

960
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: announcement was coming on gas. Well, let's hope that's good.

961
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Speaker 3: And at some point we may or may not hear

962
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Speaker 3: from the ComCom or the electricity authority, although if you

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Speaker 3: followed the various scraps of late over things like petrol

964
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Speaker 3: and building supplies and supermarkets or banks, when the likes

965
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Speaker 3: of authorities get involved, it appears to be more headlined

966
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: noise than actual change. The big picture is the key here.

967
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: If we can't make enough power now, even with the

968
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Speaker 3: arrival of the new staff, the GOO, the wind, the solar,

969
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: where do the evs fit in the data centers? The

970
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Speaker 3: AI power, whether at a crisis point or not, is

971
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Speaker 3: too expensive in this country, and not just too expensive

972
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Speaker 3: but clearly unreliable. See three main things drive the industry Currently.

973
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Speaker 3: We've got the rain and we don't have enough of that.

974
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Speaker 3: We've got gas while we stop looking so the current

975
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Speaker 3: reserves are running out. In the wind, it's not blowing.

976
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Speaker 3: So three good options on paper in reality, they don't work.

977
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Speaker 3: So the industry says, don't panic. The user says, it's

978
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Speaker 3: a crisis. Our exports are being hit. So this it

979
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Speaker 3: seems to me as a bit of a job for

980
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Speaker 3: the government. Jawbony which they've done to this point hasn't

981
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: and isn't working. Leaving it to the market is working.

982
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Speaker 3: See if you don't have power your third world we

983
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: look currently pretty third world cosking. Here's sinks. If you

984
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Speaker 3: think the roads are bad, the number we didn't give

985
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Speaker 3: you the Seagle Road resurfacing. So when you go to resurface,

986
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Speaker 3: the cost has gone from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty four.

987
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Speaker 3: So it's gone from fifty nine grand to sixty six grand?

988
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: Is is that acceptable in sixty years? Doesn't strike me

989
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: as being abnormal. Having said that motorway was closed this

990
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Speaker 3: morning on the way to work at two thirty, I

991
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Speaker 3: counted seven million, two one hundred and fifty seven, six

992
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: hundred and forty two cones, So that whole we're going

993
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: to change. The cone system hasn't changed. But anyway sinks, Well,

994
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 3: you made a mistake in the renovation. Put the wrong

995
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: sink in. Don't like the sink, doesn't work. Sink's not

996
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: acceptable anymore. I'm not saying this. This is not me.

997
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: I have nothing to do with these things. It's just

998
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: a voice in the house that when you come home,

999
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you are told the sink doesn't work.

1000
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 3: The sink is not acceptable. We need a new sink.

1001
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Speaker 3: Whether you can pull a sink out of a bench

1002
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Speaker 3: tops another thing turns out, apparently for a extortion at price,

1003
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Speaker 3: you can. But that's not the price. The price of

1004
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Speaker 3: the sink when we did it a couple of years

1005
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: ago was five or six hundred dollars now said a

1006
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Speaker 3: lot for a sink. I don't know. Wouldn't have a

1007
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Speaker 3: clue what a sinx cost. If I said to you,

1008
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Speaker 3: what do you reckon a sink costs, I reckon I

1009
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Speaker 3: would have gone forward to six hundred dollars just at

1010
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: a guess ceramic. Anyway, The problem is it's not the

1011
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: shiny one. It's a matt one, which was a bit

1012
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: of a bit of a look at the time, and

1013
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: it turns out the bit of a look, it's a

1014
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: pain in the ass because the stains all over the thing.

1015
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: We need to get a new one, new shiny one.

1016
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Speaker 3: Do you know what a new shiny one is. It's

1017
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Speaker 3: gone from five or six hundred dollars a couple of

1018
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Speaker 3: years ago too, Are you ready for it? One thousand,

1019
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: seven hundred dollars. So that's sink flation, isn't it?

1020
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Speaker 4: Sort of a sink hole that you've born very much

1021
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: sink hole.

1022
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: So anyway, so there is some dispute at the moment

1023
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: whether we're going to be doing that in our house

1024
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Speaker 3: or not. News for you in a couple of moments.

1025
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Speaker 3: Then the Prime in.

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Speaker 2: Mist the Breakfast Show You Can Trust, the Mic Costing,

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Speaker 2: Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News,

1028
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Speaker 2: Tog said.

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Speaker 3: B twenty four minutes away from it. It is Prime

1030
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Speaker 3: Minster Tuesday. Christopher Utsin's with us in the studio. Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Not that it's nice to not see you, but the

1032
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Speaker 3: reason you are here is there is no parliament, yes,

1033
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: and you've got business to do. You've got business to

1034
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: do when you've got legislation to pass and you announced

1035
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Speaker 3: yesterday a congestion charge which requires legislation. You can't pass

1036
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: the legislation because the parliament's not open. Why aren't we

1037
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Speaker 3: doing more work?

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Speaker 6: You're on one of my things, which is coming new

1039
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 6: to politics, you sort of look at it and go, man,

1040
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 6: the parliament stops December, used to stop December ten, and

1041
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 6: then by the time you get through sort of anniversary

1042
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 6: weekend and then WAITANGI it's sort of mid February by

1043
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 6: the time it starts up again, and then you go

1044
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 6: for a bit. There's some we've done a lot of

1045
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 6: things under urgency, so we've had some quite long sessions.

1046
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's one of the things I talked to

1047
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 6: Chris Bishop.

1048
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Who's Leader of the House, about how do we are

1049
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: you going to change it? So you had three weeks

1050
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: care correcting me up and wrong, three weeks off for

1051
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 3: the school holidays, you came back for the last two

1052
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Speaker 3: weeks and off again, as I just for a week.

1053
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Speaker 6: I mean, as I understand it, it's because of the

1054
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 6: way it was faced in the first half. There's a

1055
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 6: whole bunch of technical reasons for it. But look, the

1056
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 6: bottom line is we're working pretty hard and I think

1057
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 6: we've got a big legislative Forginia to get done before Christmas,

1058
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 6: and frankly we'll just be running into urgency, which means

1059
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 6: that we go from nine to midnight until we get

1060
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: it done. All right, so we go in tow weekends

1061
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 6: if we have to the congestion.

1062
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: Not that I'm against it, but to suggest, assuming and

1063
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: did yesterday, it's not about raising revenue was simply not

1064
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: true because it raised well revenue.

1065
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it raises revenue and that will be used

1066
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 6: on transport infrastructure and it can't be used on pet projects.

1067
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: And silly stuff.

1068
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 6: But the real reason for it, and there's actually been

1069
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 6: all political parties over the last two or three years

1070
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 6: have been very supportive of this in Parliament, is that

1071
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 6: when you look around the world, if you do it right,

1072
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: you can get an eight to twelve percent reduction and congestion.

1073
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 6: So if you think about school holidays in Auckland, that's

1074
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 6: about sort of what that would look like. And then

1075
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Speaker 6: when you look at the actual time it takes per

1076
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Speaker 6: kilometer and Auckland versus say, similar cities in Australia, we've

1077
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Speaker 6: got a congestion problem. And congestion the problem with that

1078
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 6: is the trade. You can't go do another job.

1079
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: You know, you've got slow deliveries.

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00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 6: You've got a whole bunch of economic and product tiv

1081
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 6: each other. Poor roads though, yeah, we do poor roads,

1082
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 6: and that's why we're trying to spend a lot of

1083
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 6: money investing in up creating those roads. But congestion charging

1084
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 6: is something that will somebody will open it up and

1085
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 6: we'll get some submissions on it will work with the

1086
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 6: council line.

1087
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: The Wayne Brown dream of taking some power off at

1088
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: this is simm and Brown as well. When is this

1089
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: actually going to happen.

1090
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 6: It's not going to happen. We're not going to merge

1091
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 6: at and n Z t A. But I think the

1092
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 6: mayor and ourselves are pretty unhappy with Auckland Transports performance

1093
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 6: and some and the Meal will continue to talk about

1094
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 6: what they can do to.

1095
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: Do That's what we're doing. They're just going to talk

1096
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: some more.

1097
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 6: Well, I'll let them sort that out. But the bottom

1098
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: line is I don't think anyone one hundred percent happy

1099
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 6: with Auckland Transports.

1100
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: No, but in not being happy, don't you want to

1101
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: do something about it?

1102
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 6: Well, we may well do something about it, but that'll

1103
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 6: be something that will work with the mirror.

1104
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he would tell you to take some power

1105
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: off them.

1106
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 6: He might have a whole bunch of different ideas and

1107
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 6: we might have.

1108
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: So my understanding was you were looking at doing something tangible, You're.

1109
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: Not, As I said, I think what I heard yesterday

1110
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 6: was people were saying, Oh, we're going to merge at

1111
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 6: with n z TA, and that's not going to happen.

1112
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: Okay. As regards the power crisis, has anything happened since

1113
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: I talked to you about this last week? Apart from

1114
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: we're not happy yep.

1115
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 6: There's been rationing of gas so that actually we're getting

1116
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 6: it from places where it needs to get out of

1117
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 6: to actually into the energy system. What's happening is I mean, look,

1118
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 6: if you back up the truck of it, this is

1119
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 6: a function of actually the any of that aill and

1120
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 6: gas band and as a result, there's been no local

1121
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: exploration of gas. And as a result, when we've got

1122
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 6: a dry year like we have now, we've got caught

1123
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 6: horribly in terms of we're short. That is affecting our

1124
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 6: industrial basis.

1125
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 3: So you're not fixing that tomorrow, even if you say, go, look,

1126
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: guess there's no guarantee.

1127
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 6: No, But there are short term things that I think

1128
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 6: we can do around electricity gas, and then I think

1129
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 6: there are other things around structure of the sector that

1130
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 6: we will look at as well.

1131
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: What do you say to Mike foods. She was on

1132
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: the program yesterday from contact right now, you see there's

1133
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: nothing where we're investing. It'll get there eventually. It's just

1134
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: an industry and transition. Is that fair or not.

1135
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 6: I get that they're doing a lot of investment and

1136
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 6: they've got more certainty now to invest given we've got

1137
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 6: ty sworded, got rid of Lake Onslow, we end the

1138
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 6: oil and gas ban ultimately. But I would just say

1139
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 6: to you also, you know, when you're running at one

1140
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 6: thousand dollars per mega wat as we were a week

1141
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 6: before last, and you've got Australia and others running at

1142
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 6: fifty to one hundred, we've got a problem. And the

1143
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 6: problem is essentially we're now having to import huge amounts

1144
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 6: of Indonestian coal to actually get that Huntly power station

1145
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 6: others working. When we could have had gas and now

1146
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 6: we've got no gas locally because it got ended five

1147
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 6: years ago. Why would you invest in something that was

1148
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 6: going to be that is true?

1149
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: He said, there's an announcement coming on gas. Do you

1150
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: know anything about that or not?

1151
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 6: I might be aware of something, but that you're aware

1152
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 6: of it, I'll let them out the news.

1153
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: Is it substantial or not?

1154
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1155
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does it.

1156
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 6: So there's a series of what we've done is we've

1157
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 6: got the industry together probably about eight weeks twelve weeks ago,

1158
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 6: and we're actually talking about how do we ration supply,

1159
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 6: how do we actually get gas from one place, you know,

1160
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 6: to another place where we need it to get to

1161
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: to consumers ultimately and to support our industrial base.

1162
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: So that will alleviate the problem we have right about right.

1163
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 6: Series are short term tactical things that we can do

1164
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 6: to make sure that we've got the supply and demand

1165
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 6: working better. But the bigger question is what are the

1166
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: longer term, medium term actions that we need to get

1167
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 6: sorted so that we don't have this energy security challenge.

1168
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 6: We shouldn't have this in this country. We've got abundant

1169
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 6: natural resources. If we have gas, which we're going to

1170
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 6: need when we've got driververs and dry lakes and no

1171
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 6: wind and no sun, are we going to need that?

1172
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: Does the industry need up ending or not? Well, we're

1173
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: up to looking at anything and everything. All options are

1174
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: on the tables. He says, it doesn't it's fine, We'll

1175
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: get there. Do you say differently or not?

1176
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 6: Where that's one piece of work they want to look

1177
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 6: at our industry structure.

1178
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: Okay, because where's the ComCom and the EA. They don't

1179
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: seem either awake or alert to what's going on or

1180
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: able to do anything.

1181
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 6: Those are all part of a bucket of work that

1182
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 6: some men will do around industry structure.

1183
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: So when Fonterra yesterday and Ensco say this affects our

1184
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: export competitiveness time, it's unacceptable.

1185
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 6: Utterly unacceptable, utterly unacceptable because essentially you've got people like

1186
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 6: Fonterra having to choke back demand or supply, you know,

1187
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 6: and they end up spilling Melkol. You've got meals as

1188
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 6: you've seen recently that actually under huge pressure, Whinstone paper,

1189
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 6: you know, others, Tea wise choking back. It's use because

1190
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: it's trying to free up and spill that altruism into

1191
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 6: the system. So you know they're all short, you know,

1192
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 6: band aid solutions, but you actually need to get a

1193
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 6: proper structure in place to say and half the problem

1194
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 6: is this, if you're in that sector, you don't have

1195
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 6: confidence to invest because the rules have kept changing on you.

1196
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 6: And so you know that's why knocking off lake Onso

1197
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 6: because we're not going to spend sixteen to thirty billion

1198
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 6: dollars building that with public money. But that means that

1199
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 6: they expect those you know, gent tailors to invest in

1200
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 6: proper infrastructure and proper new investments. We need to make

1201
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 6: the oil and gas thing as a function of no

1202
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 6: explorations been going on. So you know you've got that's

1203
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 6: a five year delayed to get domestic gas back up

1204
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 6: to where it needs to get to. So we've got

1205
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 6: to think through that piece. And then there's genuine questions

1206
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: around the structure of the market. Is it actually working

1207
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 6: for us when we've got expensive energy and that's a

1208
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 6: big problem because it does make our competitive bunters down.

1209
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 3: Water done well, any regrets about that name NA really

1210
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: proud of it, really proud of it. You who came

1211
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: up with that.

1212
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 6: Water like getting us and back on track. I think

1213
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 6: I streamed it up two in the morning.

1214
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 3: So far so borrowing so here here are my concerns

1215
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: about it. So borrowing five times is only good if

1216
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 3: it solves the problem. What if you borrow five times

1217
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't solve your problem?

1218
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 6: Well, what we've got to do. So if I take

1219
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 6: Auckland as an example, I think it's a KKR solution.

1220
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 6: You've basically got out and said, you've got this thing

1221
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 6: called water Care. It's working on a project at the moment,

1222
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 6: central interceptor, it's been working on it for a while,

1223
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 6: got a whole bunch of Italian tunnelers there. And then

1224
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 6: they've got no confidence because they've got no money to

1225
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 6: know what they're rolling in two next and actually now

1226
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 6: that they can go have their own separate balance sheet,

1227
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 6: they can go borrow that money up to five times.

1228
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 6: These are long run assets at are thirty fifty seventy

1229
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 6: years locked down the road. They can invest properly with

1230
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 6: a proper plan and actually roll into another project straight

1231
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 6: after this one. So there's about two billion dollars I

1232
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 6: think they can spend in the next ten years as

1233
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 6: a function of doing it. But the genius of it

1234
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 6: is that then there's eight hundred billion dollars freed up

1235
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 6: from Auckland Council who are planning to put that into

1236
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 6: water Care because they don't need to and they can

1237
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 6: put that into other stuff and it's not sexy stuff.

1238
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 6: But actually just getting the mechanism right has actually been

1239
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 6: quite important because the last lot spent one point two

1240
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 6: five billion dollars looking into this with one big mega

1241
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 6: model yep, and for a couple of hundred thousand dollars

1242
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 6: we found a solution that meets the rating agent credit

1243
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 6: agencies as well as obviously getting a better stay.

1244
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: Do you realistically think councils will coalesce if they're not

1245
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: geographically connected to each other?

1246
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 6: They will the ones that are adjacent. If you think

1247
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 6: about the Hawks Bay, I get that four district councilors

1248
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 6: one regional council want to come together. There are councils

1249
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 6: in South Taranaki across the system YEP. Most of the

1250
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 6: moment the last few years have actually said yeah, we've

1251
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 6: we've got to collaborate on this, and then you get

1252
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 6: to a subregional sort of focus rather than having to

1253
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 6: deal with eighty two district and regional.

1254
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: My next concern is when they go borrow the five times,

1255
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: there's an interest bill on that, and some councils won't

1256
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: pay that down because they're useless, and some will so

1257
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm then as a ratepayer stuck with paying off a

1258
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: debt and interest on the debt literally Foreveranta.

1259
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 6: Well, they will be able to access the lowest no

1260
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 6: I get POSSI. If you're not paying it down, then

1261
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 6: you just pass the alternative as you don't you do

1262
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 6: what we've seen across the country, which is, you know,

1263
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 6: people go build convention centers and invest in hotels and

1264
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 6: do other dumb things rather than actually do the things

1265
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 6: they're supposed to do, which is the basics brilliantly and

1266
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 6: making sure there's water assets that are sort of.

1267
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend a lot of time in

1268
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: the welfare because that seems to explain itself. If you

1269
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: want to behave yourself, you'll be fine. If you don't

1270
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: want to.

1271
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 6: Buy responsibilities, show up, do some basic things, get a slip.

1272
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: It does worry me. Is from last week's on employment numbers,

1273
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: half the jobs lost were kids. So that indicates to

1274
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: me they've got no qualifications. They've left school with no qualifications. Yep,

1275
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: they've got nothing to offer the modern economy. Yep. What

1276
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: are you doing about it?

1277
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 12: Yep?

1278
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 6: So the reality I'm worried about that too. You've got

1279
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 6: fifty five percent of the kids not at school regularly,

1280
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 6: then they just roll straight onto unemployment eighteen to twenty four.

1281
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 6: We've got forty two thousand of them at the moment.

1282
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 6: What we're doing is we put four thousand more phone

1283
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 6: case managers in to try and get these kids, you know, contacted.

1284
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 6: We've got twenty one hundred extra community organizations plugged in

1285
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 6: with job support and we've got to get these kids

1286
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 6: off welfare and into work. And we've got to teach

1287
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 6: them that they've got to wake.

1288
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: Up, get to work. Do the basic Do you force

1289
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 3: them to tune anything? I mean, sure of, because this

1290
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: is a tough economy apart from anything else, and they've

1291
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 3: got nothing to work with the economy. No one's hiring them,

1292
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 3: so sure of bringing them up and going get a Brian,

1293
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: how are you feeling today?

1294
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 16: What do you want?

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Speaker 6: You've got to get them into it. You've got to

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00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 6: get them into work. So there are jobs there. I mean,

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 6: like I spoke to people in horticulture last week. You

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00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 6: still can't get New Zealanders showing up for jobs or

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00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 6: lasting more than twenty hours a week. We need massive

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00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 6: amounts of digger drivers. Are cool jobs, you know, and

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00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 6: you know we need those people in that system because

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 6: we're actually we've been selling.

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: Jobs out there for young New Zealanders who do want

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00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: to work.

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00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, there are guys is and you know, think

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00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 6: about it. We've got what we've gone from three point

1307
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 6: two percent unemployment, which was record lows. We're still a

1308
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 6: sort of four point six in the history of our country.

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 6: That's pretty low.

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Speaker 3: Still, tell me why I had Sunny Kocial on the program,

1311
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: Cucil on the program yesterday. That crime group you set up, Yep,

1312
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: you stuck them on the committee to silence them. Any

1313
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: they haven't even started meeting yet. What the hell's going on?

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00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: I'll talk to Godsmith about that and the weapon get

1315
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: on that. You guys said that when you set this

1316
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: group up it would last for two years. But the

1317
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: ideas all be coming forthwith in the next couple of weeks.

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00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 3: But at least a month they haven't even met.

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 6: Well, they need to get meeting, then, doesn't it.

1320
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: You need to crack the whip.

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00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what I am pleased on the

1322
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 6: LRD order that we got fifty two cops on the

1323
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 6: beat in three weeks in the month of July.

1324
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: And lo and behold, you shouldn't have said that, because

1325
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: what did the retail crime numbers say yesterday?

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00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I've gone from forty one and dearies, dearies

1327
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 6: and service station account does it?

1328
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: No?

1329
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to give you a perspective to say

1330
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 6: that actually, when you get out there and you actually

1331
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 6: talk about what's happening for the down in cbd Auckland,

1332
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 6: it's starting to get better.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Would you rather be interviewed by me or Glenn?

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Speaker 6: Definitely? You There's no there's no You're peerless, Mike. I

1335
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 6: mean there's just no, there's no comparator, you know.

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Speaker 3: You take that. Nice to see Chris of election and

1337
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister eleven away from eight the.

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Speaker 2: Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be dighte away from it. To Mike, these interviews

1341
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: with the Prime Minister, I listened with relief and anger.

1342
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: One how much we need to write as a country

1343
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: and the progress we're making too, just how close we

1344
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: are to burying ourselves as a country in theory, Alex,

1345
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: you and I are exactly the same. There's a lot

1346
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: of hope going on there, but equally the size of

1347
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: the job is gargantuing Mike, having just returned from visiting

1348
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: a number of avocado which is in Northland and having

1349
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: to employ backpackers to get the job done. Mini lurkers,

1350
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: i'd see. I find that. I don't doubt you, but

1351
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: I find it just so difficult to believe. And presumably

1352
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: a bit of yesterday is going to help out, and

1353
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: there are jobs, jobs available, and if there are jobs available,

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00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: then they're going to crack down hopefully. Mike, I bet

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Speaker 3: it's a Butler sink. Tell you Butler to scrub it

1356
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: is a but the sink, funnily enough, and all your

1357
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: people saying, look, I found you on trading your sink

1358
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: for seventy two dollars. The key to this is the size.

1359
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: In replacing one sink for another, you've got to go

1360
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: the same size. So that's the problem. Probably our fault

1361
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: for buying the wrong shape in the first place, and

1362
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: at five or six hundred dollars, I don't know that

1363
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: that's necessarily an expensive sink, so it's probably on us.

1364
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: But but you've got to replace size with size. That's

1365
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: our problem. Seven away from.

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Speaker 2: It, the Mic costume breakfast with a Vita retirement communities

1367
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: us to said, be Mike.

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Speaker 3: So you've got to replace size for size. So if

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: Codie leaves, you are there any single jockey's available? Very good, Mike,

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00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: Did I miss the story about how Raygun got selected

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Speaker 3: for the Australian Olympic team. No, you didn't, and you

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: want to hang around because it's a goodie. My ar

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00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: Kent dot Co for sinks, we use them a lot,

1374
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: good quality, not to expensive mic and the stains silicy.

1375
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: You can either try Pumus gently remove staining without scratching.

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 3: Also great for black lines and toilets, or Quick Brand

1377
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: rust remover contains phosphoric acid which takes down silica. Great

1378
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: on sharred glass. Top tip Sheila, I'll get onto that,

1379
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: or I'll get some people to get onto it or something.

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Speaker 3: Brian McFadden and Keith Duffy Westlife and boy Zone a

1381
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: couple of years ago got together and formed Boy's Life.

1382
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 3: This seems to have been a smash hit so much

1383
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: so the touring here next year. So we'll hook him up,

1384
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: get him on the old zoom and talk to them

1385
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: after the news which is next here News Talks heed B.

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: Big News, Bold Opinions, the mic Hosking, Breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: range Rover, The Law Designed to intrigue and use talks hed.

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Speaker 18: B if I go down your face us.

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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: Seven past day. The boy band is coming back apparently

1390
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: the Backstreet Boys toured recently in sync talking about a comeback,

1391
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 3: given they're featured currently in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie.

1392
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Speaker 3: And then we got Boy's Life. It's what you get

1393
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: when you put former West Life member McFadden to go

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Speaker 3: to a former Boys Own member, Keith Duffy there here

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Speaker 3: next year and Brian and Keith are with us. Good morning, listen,

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Speaker 3: lovely to meet you both, and I'll talk about Coronation Brian,

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01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: do you mind if I talk about Coronation Street? Who

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: when you get sick of people talking to him about

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01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: Coronation Street.

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Speaker 7: A little bit?

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 9: Because I'm a massive fan of ease standards, so I

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 9: have to have to listen to the Coronationship Coronation Street Rubbishydon.

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 7: No it was it was me. It was the Coronation

1404
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 7: Street you know him?

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: Okay, can I ask you and this is you did

1406
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: your research? I did my research. No worries, now listen,

1407
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: this is this isn't. This has been videoed as well

1408
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: as being on the radio. But for people watching this

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: on the audio, do you two live in that car?

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: Is that why you're in the cow? What's what's gone wrong?

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01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 9: But now the truth The truth is we're actually sitting

1412
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 9: outside the golf club just after playing eighteen holes.

1413
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 7: Here we go, but we do we have to talk

1414
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 7: to you. Well, you're very professional, Mike. We're here for

1415
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 7: you with the hoskin.

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: You know, very very good. Indeed, what do you what?

1417
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: All right? Handicaps? Please? Keith your handicap.

1418
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 7: Ten point five at the moment, it's not bad.

1419
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 3: And Brian eleven point one.

1420
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 7: So we both play off eleven basically.

1421
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 3: So it's it's a competitive round.

1422
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 19: Very we we we actually when we're playing together, we

1423
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 19: just play off scratch. We always just play off scratch

1424
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 19: head to heads all the time, and one.

1425
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 7: Of us it's always a different person that wins every time.

1426
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: It's it's it's too close to Carl, fantastic. What sort

1427
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: of car you got because you've got your seats down

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01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: in the back. Have you got it? You've got a

1429
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 3: wagon there?

1430
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 19: Clearly Now we had a body in a you've probably

1431
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 19: got rid of it for the years.

1432
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 7: The mother in law, she's gone now.

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: We got rid of her fair enough.

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 7: Hey listen, we have the sticks, the sticks man.

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01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: What have you only got one sit between you?

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01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, is set outside the door on a straight but.

1437
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 9: I didn't have time to clean the wheels, so he said,

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Speaker 9: that's not coming to my car.

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01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, fair enough. Let let me let

1440
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: me ask you about k Keith. Let me ask you

1441
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: about Coronation Street. Because I'm a lifer, I've I've literally

1442
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: watched Coronation Streek my entire life. I made a documentary

1443
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 3: funnel Enough about Coronation Street on its fortieth anniversary about

1444
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. When you get a part on a

1445
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 3: show like that, is that is that like the thrill

1446
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: of a lifetime Or have you already had too many

1447
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: thrills to be bothered by it?

1448
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 11: No?

1449
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 19: You know, at that time in my life, it was

1450
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 19: something that was very, very needed, and I was so

1451
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 19: grateful to to have to have achieved that role.

1452
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 7: And I'd been on the road of Boyzone for seven years.

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 19: I'd come out. I was kind of lost. I didn't

1454
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 19: know what way my life was going. Coronation Street is

1455
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 19: something that we grew up in Dublin watching. You know,

1456
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 19: if you're in here Granny's house at half seven on

1457
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 19: a Monday or.

1458
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 7: Wednesday, you know you dare not say a word.

1459
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 19: Nobody will ring the phone, nobody will knock on the door.

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01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 7: It was a sacrilege. You had to just sit and

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 7: be quiet for that half an hour.

1462
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Speaker 19: And when I when I was in Coronation Street, I

1463
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 19: joined in two thousand and two. And when I was there,

1464
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 19: I worked with Jack Duckward and Vera Duckward and Mike

1465
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 19: Baldwin and Fred Elliott and Vera Duckward and then bet

1466
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 19: Lynch and Betty's Hot Pot. You know, I managed to

1467
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 19: be there at a fant time. I was there for

1468
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 19: the fiftieth anniversary, actually for the big tram crash and

1469
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 19: the fiftith anniversary. But looking at the shown now, because

1470
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Speaker 19: my mum watches it still and looking at it now,

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 19: I don't know anybody in the show anymore.

1472
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Speaker 7: That all those legends are gone.

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01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 19: Like Bill Roach is still there Ken Barlow and he's

1474
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 19: been in from day one, But all of the legends

1475
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 19: of Corey from when I was growing up in my

1476
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 19: granny's house, they're all gone. So I was there at

1477
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 19: a fantastic time. I got to work with all of

1478
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 19: the icons of Coronesius Street.

1479
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: Do excuse my ignorance now, but you lift from memory

1480
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: in a cab like so many do. Is are you

1481
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: still alive and open for a return or is it

1482
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: just never gonna happen.

1483
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 19: Yeah, Well, my character was a chef in the navy

1484
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 19: and he went a wall and hit out with Peter

1485
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 19: Barlow on Coronagis Street and he was engaged to be

1486
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 19: married to Kim Marsh's character, which was Michelle, and he

1487
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 19: ended up leaving Michelle in a black cab going down

1488
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 19: Coronaca Street heading for to be a chef on the

1489
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 19: cruise liners in the Caribbean.

1490
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 7: So he's in them, he's in Saint Lucia.

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01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 19: I think at the moment coketspeak any for some tourists

1492
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 19: from America.

1493
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 3: Brian, serious question, because these things fascinate me when you

1494
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 3: look back now, as I'm sure you do periodically in between,

1495
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 3: you know, whole seven or night. What do you make

1496
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: of being being discovered, of having your life turned around

1497
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: and all that's happened to you in the way it did.

1498
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 7: Well for us. It was such a sudden and fast

1499
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 7: thing to happen.

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Speaker 9: You know, we look at how Boyson started and when

1501
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 9: they got together, they started kind of doing all the

1502
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 9: little small gigs, and you know, it took them a

1503
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 9: few years before they kind of got recognized and got

1504
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 9: a single and all that kind of.

1505
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 7: Stuff for West Life.

1506
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 9: We were we were signed by Louis Walsh and within

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Speaker 9: about three or four weeks of that, we were touring

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Speaker 9: with Boys On, you know, and they were playing like

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Speaker 9: Wembley Arena to sixteen thousand people and all these massive,

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Speaker 9: massive arena concerts all over Europe.

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Speaker 7: And that's how our career started.

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Speaker 9: Before we'd even recorded our first single, we were touring.

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Speaker 7: With Boys On. So, you know, it kind of I

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Speaker 7: came out of school. I was eighteen years old.

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Speaker 9: I finished school straight into Westlife and it just went

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Speaker 9: so fast. It was just this massive snowball that just

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Speaker 9: kept rolling and getting bigger and bigger. And you know,

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Speaker 9: there was mornings I'd wake up and pinch myself and go,

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Speaker 9: I'm just waiting for this to be all a dream

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Speaker 9: that I've been asleep for the last few years.

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Speaker 7: And until the day I left after whatever it.

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Speaker 9: Was six or seven years, you know, it was the

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Speaker 9: most exciting thing that could ever happen to a person.

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Speaker 9: And you know, I was just on a constant high.

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Speaker 9: I always had a smile on my face and just

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Speaker 9: always felt like I was the luckiest guy in the world.

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Speaker 9: And to be honest with you even now is you know,

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Speaker 9: twenty five, twenty six years later, I still feel the same.

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Speaker 9: You know, the fact that I'm in my forties now,

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Speaker 9: well at them, my forties now, and I can still

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Speaker 9: do this as a job, you know, something that I

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Speaker 9: absolutely love. I would have done this for free when

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Speaker 9: I was a kid. Yeah, to get on stage and

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Speaker 9: sing songs to people is was. I did it as

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Speaker 9: a kid for free, and it was the most exciting

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Speaker 9: thing then. But the fact that I've got to make

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Speaker 9: a career out of it, have a great life, and

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Speaker 9: still in my forties to be still able to go

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Speaker 9: out and perform in front the big audience and get

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Speaker 9: that buzz every night.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's just an absolute blessing.

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Speaker 3: Once your observation on and you've been involved in it.

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: Of course, reality television which has evolved in your time

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Speaker 3: in the industry of people who want instant fame, instant success.

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Speaker 3: If I pop up sing a song, I might win something.

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Speaker 3: Is that healthy? Is it good? Does it work?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 9: I think when it comes to the likes of you know,

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Speaker 9: the idols and the Get Talents and those kind of shows,

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Speaker 9: I don't mind it so much because right now and

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01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 9: theology for the last twenty years, it's very very very

1552
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 9: very difficult to get discovered or if you've got any

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01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 9: kind of talent, for someone to find you. So they

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01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 9: are a great outlet and a great way for you

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Speaker 9: to you know, find your career and find a way

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Speaker 9: for people to see what you do. But the other

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Speaker 9: side of it, with you know, the normal reality shows

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Speaker 9: and people now like TikTok stars and people that are

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01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 9: coming becoming famous, you know after five minutes for doing nothing.

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Speaker 7: On that part I find very difficult.

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Speaker 9: I find it weird now that the biggest stars on

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Speaker 9: the planet are famous for absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 9: When I was growing up, it was movie stars and

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Speaker 9: Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 7: People like that.

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Speaker 9: They were proper legends and they'd done something and they

1568
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 9: were better than other people in the world are doing

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Speaker 9: and that's why we looked up to them, and that's

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Speaker 9: why they were so famous. But now that people at

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Speaker 9: the most famous and influential people in the world are influencers,

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 9: you know, and they don't actually really do anything, I

1573
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 9: find that hard to kind of accept.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, hold on you guys, I'll come back. I'll

1575
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 3: talk about the boys in side of the equation just

1576
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 3: a couple of moments, Keith stay with us, Brian mcfedden

1577
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 3: and Keith Duffy in a car having just played golf.

1578
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,839
Speaker 3: More shortly fifteen past.

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Speaker 2: The mic asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I heard

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Speaker 2: radiow By News Talk.

1581
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Speaker 3: Zippy seventeen past the Brian mcfedden, Westlife, Keith Duffy, Boys

1582
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Speaker 3: and Keith. You were the pioneers. We're talking about wist

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Speaker 3: Lafe in a moment ago. But how did you guys

1584
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Speaker 3: handle it, this fame thing when it happened to you.

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Speaker 19: I suppose, like Brian said, it all happened so fast.

1586
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Speaker 19: I don't think I believed it at the start. I mean,

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Speaker 19: you know, people were calling us pop stars, but to me,

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Speaker 19: a pop star was Madonna. Well, you know, it was

1589
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 19: Freddie Mercury for me. Popstars and rock stars was bono

1590
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 19: from you two. You know, I suppose that that whole

1591
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 19: imposter syndrome is something that we might have all suffered

1592
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 19: with at the start.

1593
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 7: You know, But and you know, maybe to.

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01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 19: This day people might still kind of say, yeah, you

1595
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 19: are an imposter. But like the reality is, we did

1596
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,879
Speaker 19: manage to sell sixty million albums.

1597
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 7: We did manage to sell out arena tours.

1598
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Speaker 19: So even if our audience wasn't you know, critics and

1599
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 19: hot press magazine, you know, and they were like the

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 19: teeny propper market. You know, somebody has to appeal to

1601
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 19: that market, and that's what we did. So we're very

1602
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 19: aware of where we stand in the popular market. But

1603
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 19: we were very successful within our parameters. But it's even

1604
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 19: even so, it was very difficult to understand our surroundings

1605
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 19: because we come from a very hard working class background

1606
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 19: on the north side of Dublin and Ireland.

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 7: And you know, I was working from the age of thirteen.

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 19: I was selling I was selling vegetables and potatoes at

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 19: the side of the road. I was, you know, fifteen,

1610
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 19: I was a bell boy, lounge by waiter in restaurants,

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 19: and you know, we had to do what we had

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01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 19: to do to try and you know, bring in a

1613
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 19: few both to support the household in which we lived

1614
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 19: with our parents and our siblings, so to get an

1615
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 19: opportunity to join the band, and all of a sudden

1616
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 19: you're traveling around the world and you're staying at five

1617
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 19: star hotels. It was all very surreal, and I suppose

1618
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 19: we enjoyed it while it lasted, because we kind of

1619
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 19: felt that happened so quickly that it could be taken

1620
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 19: away just as quick. And yeah, and here we are,

1621
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 19: thirty years later, still getting away with it.

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Speaker 7: So who know. I was just about to say, I

1623
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 7: have to listen to your last album. It sounds like

1624
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 7: you're still selling turnips the turkeys.

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Speaker 3: This band of mules is of all beautifully, I guess,

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01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 3: isn't it. So you get together initially, I take it

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 3: you got together because you might. I mean, you're not

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01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 3: sitting in a car having played golf together unless you might.

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 19: Absolutely, every every great working relationship has to have a

1631
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 19: foundation of friendship, you know, when it doesn't have to,

1632
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 19: but it certainly helps. And we're not we're not behind

1633
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 19: the door of having a real are having a fight.

1634
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 19: We don't agree on everything. You know, there's only two

1635
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 19: of us, So you know, you're not always in great

1636
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 19: spirits you around. There's there's days you wake up and

1637
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 19: you get out of the wrong side of the bed.

1638
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 19: You might have had a late night, your your working

1639
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 19: schedule might be so busy that you can't see the

1640
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 19: light of day, you know, and you know you react

1641
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 19: to that, and and there's times that we kill each other,

1642
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 19: but but you know, we've known each.

1643
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,879
Speaker 7: Other long enough to have that solid foundation.

1644
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 19: And when any relationship has a solid foundation, the blocks

1645
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 19: can be knocked down, but you can always build them

1646
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 19: back up again, and that's what we do. We we

1647
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 19: we have a great ability to be able to rebuild

1648
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 19: the blocks when we knock them down.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. How's Chorlie going?

1650
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Speaker 7: It's good.

1651
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: I think it was.

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Speaker 9: You know, when we got involved, it was such an

1653
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 9: exciting end to last season. And to be honest with you, Charlie,

1654
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 9: at the time, coming to the end of the season,

1655
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 9: being right there, you know, we were right up to

1656
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 9: the end and got to the playoffs and we just

1657
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 9: fell short. To be honest with you, being there was

1658
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 9: actually a little bit ahead of schedule. You know, this

1659
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 9: year is going to be a massive year now. There's

1660
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 9: a lot of development going on, a lot of new recruitment.

1661
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 9: The stadium is going to be getting bigger and better,

1662
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 9: There's more fans coming. So this year is the year

1663
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 9: that we're really pushing to try and get promotion and

1664
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 9: begin this road to hopefully getting into the Football League.

1665
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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Listen, guys, we're looking forward to seeing you in

1666
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 3: the country. I know you're going to Australia game to

1667
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 3: New Zealand, so maybe we catch up when we're here.

1668
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: But fabulous to meet you both and go well and

1669
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 3: we'll see you when you arrive.

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 7: Jery, Mike, thank you for your time.

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01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 3: Mike, no worries at all. Brian mcfedden and Keith Duffy Chorley.

1672
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 3: I should have referenced Julie's football club and they ended

1673
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 3: up buying the club, that's all. So Brian and Keith

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01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: here in matchup next year, so he got plenty of

1675
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 3: time to think about it. They're in the needing christ

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Speaker 3: j Palmerston, Wellington Towerruna and Auckland. It's out twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Range Villa News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about something that affects us all cancer. It's

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Speaker 3: a word that changes everything, affects one and three New

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 3: Zealanders in their lifetime. Could be friends, family or neighbors,

1681
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Speaker 3: of course, but we're not facing this one alone. For

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Speaker 3: thirty four years, A and Z have been supporting the

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Speaker 3: Cancer Society to help our communities through the thick and

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Speaker 3: thin of cancer, and we've got Daffodil Day coming around

1685
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Speaker 3: again August thirty. Remember that Daffidil Day August thirty, so

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Speaker 3: a chance to stand united and make a real difference.

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Speaker 3: And every daffodil represents a story of hope, of struggle

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Speaker 3: and support. It's about coming together when times are tough,

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Speaker 3: just like Kiwis always do. Of course, your donation, big

1690
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: or small, can make a real difference to someone's journey,

1691
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Speaker 3: so it is. It funds vital research. Basically, it helps

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Speaker 3: the Cancer Society who provide support services. It brings hope

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Speaker 3: to those who need it most. So let's make every

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Speaker 3: daffodil count where A and z this Daffodil Day and

1695
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Speaker 3: show what New Zealanders are made of. Here's how you

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Speaker 3: do it. You text the word donate donate to two

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Speaker 3: double four to two and get a link for the donation.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be simpler, So you simply text the word donate

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Speaker 3: to two four four two and get the link to

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Speaker 3: make a donation. Ask Mike please have those two back

1701
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 3: on the radio there so I could they aren't they

1702
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: surely very nice? We will get the men hopefully when

1703
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 3: they're in the country. Weren't they breath of fresh air? Yes,

1704
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: they were a good choice for an interview. Everyone needs

1705
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 3: needs Irish peeps in their lives, fair enough to Mike,

1706
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 3: I don't understand. This has been typical of the response

1707
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 3: this morning, the announcement yesterday. This business of welfare reform

1708
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 3: is not really a story in the sense that it's

1709
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 3: one of those classic examples of if you follow the

1710
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 3: rules and do as you expected, nothing happens, nothing changes.

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01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 3: It's just if you're a rackelcitrant, all of a sudden

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01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 3: the government might just want you to behave yourself. So

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 3: I don't understand the people who don't understand the traffic

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 3: light system for beneficiaries, benefits should come with social expectation

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01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 3: of behavior, actively seeking work, prudent with the money your

1716
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Speaker 3: benefits give you. As a taxpayer, I've got to pay

1717
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 3: the taxes which fund the social services. I'm happy with

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 3: that social contract. But if I don't can play. The

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 3: penalties for tax players are onerous as well. One hundred

1720
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 3: percent right. So if you want to make a difference,

1721
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 3: if you want to make an effort, if you want

1722
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 3: to improve yourself, no big deal now. Lester the overnight

1723
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 3: story from Britain, is an eleven year old in a

1724
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 3: mum stabbed, more knife crime in London. There was no

1725
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 3: connection between the stabber and the victims. So we'll get

1726
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: the latest from Rod in the UK and the next

1727
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 3: half hour of the program after the News, which.

1728
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 2: Is your trusted source for news and views, the Mic

1729
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential,

1730
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 2: commercial and rural news togs EDB.

1731
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm not going to have time for all of this

1732
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 3: this morning, so I will have to get to the

1733
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 3: Raygun story. But the most astonishing thing yesterday in the

1734
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 3: seafood industry, free trade agreements are designed to do what

1735
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 3: they mean. You can export something we make in this country,

1736
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 3: two way country with the free trade agreement, and you

1737
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 3: don't play tariffs. And yet yesterday I read that there's

1738
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 3: bloke from NB he's at a seafood conference and he says,

1739
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 3: seafood exporters are not making the most of the free

1740
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 3: trade agreements. You're exporting muscles to Mexico and paying a

1741
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 3: twenty percent tariff. That means for ever one hundred dollars

1742
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,480
Speaker 3: of exports, you're giving twenty dollars to the Mexican Customs administration.

1743
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 3: But the CPTPP, which came into force five years ago,

1744
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 3: eliminated that tariff. You shouldn't be paying it. So he's

1745
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: saying that people who export from this country into countries

1746
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 3: with a free trade agreements still pay tariffs. How is

1747
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 3: this possible? He goes on, Large parts of the industry

1748
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 3: are still paying it. When you're exporting and filling out

1749
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 3: the paperwork, there's a box that asks are you seeking

1750
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 3: for free trade agreement preference? You need to tick that box.

1751
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 3: You wonder why we've got problems. Twenty ten minutes away from.

1752
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 15: Nine International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance survined for

1753
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 15: New Zealand Business UK down Ron.

1754
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 3: Little Good morning, man, good. Before we get to the

1755
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 3: dridful business and lister square, I must congratulate you on

1756
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 3: the riots. When we talked to you last week, you

1757
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 3: said the drizzle was going to come. And when the

1758
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: drizzle arrives, all the weirdoyes go home and sure enough

1759
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 3: that's that. Have we flushed through it? They all turned

1760
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: up and court had they tell abiseed sentences? Are they

1761
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: all in jail or what?

1762
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah. But the other thing which I mentioned I

1764
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 10: think has happened as well, which is that the football

1765
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 10: season began. They're all back on the terraces, you know.

1766
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 10: It was. It was a convocation of largely football hooligans

1767
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 10: who were enjoying the hot weather and decided to go

1768
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 10: out and have a fight with the old bill. And

1769
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 10: let's all forget. Yes, they did terrorize some Muslim people

1770
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 10: and some people who they thought were Muslim but were

1771
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 10: too stupid to realize that they weren't, but that their chief,

1772
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 10: their chief enemy was the police. So you know, they

1773
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 10: find themselves in coll forty three in Middlesborough, another whole

1774
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 10: bunch in Liverpool, more in Harlepool, more in Darlington. And

1775
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 10: I'm getting lengthy sentences which is giving fuel to what

1776
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 10: we're now going to have. And this is going to

1777
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 10: last a lot longer than the riots themselves, which is

1778
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 10: the post riot battle of the chattering classes and the

1779
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 10: politicians who caused it, Why it happened, Who's to blame?

1780
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 10: And you know, one of the arguments is two tier policing.

1781
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 10: Why is someone getting three years for nicking a policeman's

1782
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,879
Speaker 10: batten when in Black Lives Matter no one got anything

1783
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 10: at all for destroying a statue and throwing it in

1784
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 10: a river. It's very interesting, and you see all these

1785
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 10: accusations and counter accusations flying backwards and forwards. And you know,

1786
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 10: obviously I objected to the riots themselves, but I objected

1787
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 10: them on the principle that the organiz should have known

1788
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 10: that we'd have been in for four months of count

1789
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 10: on what you usedpeak called Twitter, Facebook and indeed every

1790
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,440
Speaker 10: bit of social.

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Speaker 3: Media exactly Lister Square, right. My understanding was that the

1792
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 3: people who got stabbed and a living year on their

1793
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 3: mum weren't known to the staber. So you can't go

1794
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: through Lister Square without taking your life in your hands. Now, reputationally,

1795
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 3: this cannot be good for London, which already had a

1796
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 3: reputation for being a bit dodgy around knives.

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Speaker 10: I think that's right, and I think it's right as

1798
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 10: well that you know, we've seen that Paris has suffered

1799
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 10: a downtoir of tourism that's so enormously popular because of

1800
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Speaker 10: the problems which are associated with Paris and violence and

1801
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 10: upheaval and bonds and so on. And yes, indeed it's

1802
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 10: yet another stabbing, similar it would seem to the one

1803
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Speaker 10: in Southport where where two people unknown to the stabber

1804
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 10: were attacked by a bloke in Leicester Square and the

1805
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Speaker 10: girl is in hospital, a little girl, and the mother

1806
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 10: was attacked as well. And immediately, of course, exactly what

1807
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 10: I was talking about earlier. The right came on and said,

1808
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 10: look it's happened again. They're up to no good again,

1809
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Speaker 10: all rather confusedly, because there is no evidence whatsoever that

1810
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:30,520
Speaker 10: the attacker was Muslim. There is a lot of evidence

1811
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Speaker 10: that the man who stopped the attack and took the

1812
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Speaker 10: knife off the guy was a bloke called Abdullah, who

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Speaker 10: I would bet my bottom dollar probably is a Muslim.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good point. I think he was

1815
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 3: Indian to say, James Redcliff, by the way, as the

1816
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 3: name you'll know Manchester United, speaking of football. Not to me,

1817
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 3: he said he no longer feels safe in London. He

1818
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Speaker 3: wouldn't wear a watch fear or alarmist.

1819
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 10: Oh, I think not wearing your watch in London is

1820
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 10: a very very sensible thing to do. Indeed, the major

1821
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 10: crime in London, if you exclude lunatic stabbing people for

1822
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 10: no reason whatsoever, is the snap theft, which is usually

1823
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 10: done from mopets or bicycles and usually done by young

1824
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 10: men from ethnic minorities. At late at night. If you

1825
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 10: are stupid enough to walk through any part of London,

1826
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 10: and I mean any part of London apart from maybe

1827
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 10: Downing Street after nine o'clock at night or well before

1828
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 10: then in the winter months, where in fatty jewelry or

1829
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 10: holding a very expensive foae, then you are asking for trouble.

1830
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Speaker 10: But I think in fairness, in fairness, mate, you know,

1831
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Speaker 10: I think that's probably been true for a decade, maybe

1832
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Speaker 10: two decades. And you know, I used to live in Brixton,

1833
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 10: which was known for its riots, known for its crime,

1834
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 10: known for its attacks and thefts, and I would certainly

1835
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 10: I would a avoid walking through Brixton alone very late

1836
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 10: at night, and if I did so, I would be

1837
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 10: in conspicuous. I wouldn't wear anything flashy and I would

1838
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 10: keep to myself. There has to be some notion of

1839
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 10: being sensible about these things. I don't think you'd do

1840
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 10: any differently if you were in New York or Los Angeles.

1841
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: What about the Olympics, quick recap on that did you

1842
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 3: do well or not.

1843
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 7: Well?

1844
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 10: We finished behind the Australians, which which is an appalling

1845
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 10: thing to happen and hasn't happened for some years. And

1846
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 10: we have now vowed that at the next Olympics wherever

1847
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 10: they are presumably I can't remember whether Awful Los Angeles right,

1848
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 10: that we will get our own back. It was a

1849
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 10: it was a pretty good performance by GB I think

1850
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 10: we came sixth or seventh, but that was only because

1851
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 10: we didn't quite get enough golds, but we got we

1852
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 10: got enough bronze medals and silver medals and our overall

1853
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 10: medal hole put a third, I think it was, which

1854
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 10: is remarkable, you know, ahead of the French, which is

1855
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 10: I would say my crucial point to beat the French.

1856
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 10: We've seen over the course of these Olympics an immense

1857
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 10: amount of rather petty and childish Shard and Frida directed

1858
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 10: at the French. A for their bizarre opening ceremony, b

1859
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 10: for the fact that it dared to rain on them,

1860
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 10: and see for the bad food which was served, according

1861
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 10: to the Brits in the Olympic village. And four for

1862
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 10: a fairly muted closing ceremony, which was eclipsed, of course

1863
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 10: by the Americans taking over. So there's been a degree

1864
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 10: of satisfaction here, even if we didn't come third in

1865
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 10: the table.

1866
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: As usual, good to catch up with. You might see

1867
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: your Thirsday. Ron Little in the UK at AID forty five, the.

1868
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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1870
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Speaker 3: At be Right. A twelve ay from nine Reigan. Here

1871
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 3: is how it worked. There seemed to be too many

1872
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 3: sports in the Olympic Games where the individual countries have

1873
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 3: no basic set up and therefore you simply turn up

1874
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 3: whether you're any good or not. So what happened was

1875
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: the Australian Breaking Association. This goes back to twenty nineteen

1876
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: ABA Australian Breaking Association. It was founded by a person

1877
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 3: called Low Napolin. Why because there was no national body

1878
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 3: in Australia and they'd heard the word that breaking might

1879
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 3: be part of the twenty twenty four Games in Paris.

1880
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 3: So this person Low sets up an organization registers as

1881
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: a charity. They announced they begin taking registrations for dancers

1882
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 3: wanting to be considered a selection. So there is no setup,

1883
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: there is no foundation, there is no one running anything

1884
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 3: apart from Low. Low sets up the ABA. First event

1885
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 3: they have it's a national ranking system. This is twenty

1886
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: twenty one. Now Gun Ray Gun is ranked first out

1887
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 3: of twenty six women. So there's only twenty six in

1888
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 3: all of Australia who are interested in breakdancing, so she's

1889
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 3: one of the twenty six. There's the World Dance Sport Federation.

1890
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 3: They published then a qualification system in twenty twenty two.

1891
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 3: There are three events for Australians. One is the World Champs.

1892
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 3: Won's the Oceania Champs. One's the Olympic Qualifier. By now

1893
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 3: ABA's changed its name to O was breaking. They take

1894
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: a couple of women, they send them off to the

1895
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 3: first qualifier event. Ray Gun comes sixty fourth, so not

1896
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 3: really that good.

1897
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 4: Doesn't qualify Do we know how out of how many?

1898
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 4: And are we betting that it was sixty four?

1899
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 3: Well no, because there was Chapman who was the other

1900
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 3: Australian that sent along. She came seventy ninth, So Raygun

1901
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 3: was the better of the tooth.

1902
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 4: I stand corrected.

1903
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 3: Our next possible opportunity was the Oceania Championships. There were

1904
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 3: fifteen entered in that particular event. Of the fifteen, after

1905
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: the first day she's got the top points, she comes

1906
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,520
Speaker 3: back next to get the final three. She beats them,

1907
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: so she beats the final three. So so far at

1908
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 3: maximum she's beaten fifteen suddenly she's number one. Final opportunity

1909
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: was the qualifier series in Shanghai and Buddapest. They send

1910
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 3: off three women, none of them qualify. So by winning

1911
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 3: the Oceania competition against fifteen people, she suddenly books her

1912
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 3: place in the Australian Olympic team. To go break dancing

1913
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 3: teens up in Paris in twenty twenty four and score

1914
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 3: zero and has become a cult hero and thank the

1915
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 3: good Lord breaking. So what that tells you is and

1916
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 3: it's like our canoe thing, that paddling of the canoe sport.

1917
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 3: It's next to no one does it, next to no

1918
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Speaker 3: one's interested. It's a very good piece in the Sydney

1919
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 3: Morning Herald. Read it if you want to. But the

1920
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 3: point of it, all, the conclusion they came to is

1921
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,440
Speaker 3: it's a group of people who weren't interested in the Olympics,

1922
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 3: didn't have an association, couldn't really be bothered, No one entered.

1923
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 3: Those who did got to take it to Paris. Now

1924
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 3: is that the Olympics or not?

1925
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 7: Not?

1926
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,879
Speaker 3: Nine away from nine.

1927
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Speaker 2: For the Mike Hosking break best with Bailey's real Estate

1928
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Speaker 2: Newstalk Zedd.

1929
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Speaker 3: Here's the reality when it comes to business funding big

1930
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Speaker 3: banks they hold all the cards. Of course, they don't

1931
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: blink at charging those hefty interest rates. The processes can

1932
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 3: sometimes leave you hanging for months. But we've got a

1933
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: game changer on the scene now. It's called taxi. Taxi right,

1934
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 3: it allows you to decline the bank with smarter business funding.

1935
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 3: Could be another digger for your fleet. You might just

1936
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 3: need to survive to twenty five. So they're going to

1937
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 3: help you fund your business. So how do they do that? Well,

1938
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 3: Taxi allows you basically to use your provisional tax to

1939
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 3: access seriously affordable working capital. So you're essentially borrowing against

1940
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 3: tax you've already paid, but at half the interest rates

1941
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 3: of the big banks. You heard right, about half the

1942
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 3: rate of the big banks. So you don't have to

1943
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 3: be Warren Buffett to work out that that adds up.

1944
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 3: So pay you provisional tax through taxi by twenty eighth August.

1945
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 3: Get ready to grow your business the smart way. If

1946
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 3: you want all the details on this one, go taxi

1947
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 3: dot co dot nz. You got it, Go taxi dot

1948
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 3: co dot enz Osky. This story you'll read all day.

1949
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 3: Leo Pollock Lewis Pollock first job in retail at the

1950
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 3: age of fourteen, left school as soon as he could

1951
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 3: to work full time, put money away in a key

1952
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 3: we save it, became an assistant manager. Year later he

1953
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 3: steps up to become a regional manager of a sportshoe brand.

1954
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 3: He looks after these days nine stores. He's only twenty

1955
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 3: twenty one years old. He's sitting there in his rental accommodation. Says,

1956
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 3: I've been paying four hundred and eighty dollars a week

1957
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 3: and rent himy as well, pay another couple one hundred

1958
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: make it a mortgage. By the time he had fifty

1959
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 3: thousand dollars saved, he was either going to buy a

1960
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 3: home or start his own business. Decided to go for

1961
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 3: the home. Never had any debt, never owned a credit card,

1962
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: never used layby, I never had after pay. First contacted

1963
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 3: a bank in twenty twenty to see if he was

1964
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 3: heading in the right direction. They told him he didn't

1965
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: have enough savings of that particular point in time, but

1966
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 3: he could bump up his Kiwi saber a little bit,

1967
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 3: and he took their advice. Tried again. He wanted to

1968
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 3: buy a duel key apartment so one he could rent out.

1969
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 3: Banks wouldn't go there, being a first home buyer, so

1970
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: he had the chance of buying a new home and

1971
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,520
Speaker 3: home I small one bed or a two bedy in Pokacoee.

1972
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: Weighed up the long term value for money. He remember

1973
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 3: this guy's twenty weighed up the long term value for

1974
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 3: money on both properties. Looked at the growth plans for

1975
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 3: both areas. Poka Koe definitely had a lot more in

1976
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 3: the pipeline. Also, the front unit sold for one hundred

1977
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: thousand dollars more when the market was peaking, so that

1978
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 3: for him was the green flake. It's been living in

1979
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 3: the home since July. Plans to renovate. He'll have a flatmate.

1980
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: He's given up dining, but it's worth it. Twenty years old,

1981
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 3: brought his own home. The message is it's all about attitude.

1982
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 3: Four away from.

1983
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Nine trending now with has warehouse the real House of Fragrances.

1984
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 3: Right American Anthem yesterday in the closing ceremony, this is

1985
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 3: her h dot E dot R five time Grammy Winner,

1986
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 3: Academy Award winners. This is good as yeah, I think so,

1987
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 3: but zero butts.

1988
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 4: Well, you always want to hear the hypard I suppose.

1989
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 3: Is there as Tom Cruise jumped off at this point.

1990
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 4: And she's playing a guitar as well.

1991
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 3: She's yeah, well, what's your problem? This sounds fantastic to me.

1992
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 3: Did it go wrong.

1993
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 11: All the last?

1994
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Speaker 10: Now I let back.

1995
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 3: And we've done worse to be fair, haven't we?

1996
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Speaker 13: Oh yeah?

1997
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Speaker 3: Back tomorrow morning on The mic Asking Breakfast. Happy Days.

1998
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1999
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2000
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