1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondents with US Now. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: Barry, Hello, good afternoon. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So run us through what's happened in parliamentary Gaza. 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Well, you know, a lot of rhetoric and a lot 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: of fairly fierce rhetoric in parliament, which is to be 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: expected because people hold very strong views either way. But 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: you know, the thing that interests me is that this 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: question of recognition of Palestine, is that going to stop 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: the war. Are they going to finally put down the arms? 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Hummus and say, look, oh they've recognized us, so that's good. 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: They can see us a badge of honor if they did. 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Do you No, in fact fact, there's anything, If anything, 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: it's actually prolonging the war because Humas has now come out, 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: since this has blown up, has come out and said 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: we will not lay down arms until we get a state. 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: So it's actually given. 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 2: I think we're all getting sidetracked. And I see Alen 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: Clark was at the Gaza border with Mary Robinson, the 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: former President of Ireland, and I admire Clark for going there. 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: She wanted to see firsthand just how bad the situation was. 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: But she had to go at New Zealand for it. 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: She said, this is not the New Zealand. I know recognition, 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: she said, coupling, coudling. She called it right back up 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: to Washington, DC. So she's saying we're playing a wait 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: and sea game to see Washington and to see how 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: they responded by recognizing we could upset Donald Trump. And 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: part of that I guess is could be true. So 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: the Greens co lead Chloe Swarbreck, she was in the 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: thick of it in Parliament today during question time she 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: was firing questions at the Prime Minister. But it was 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: the Palestinian scarf that she had neatly covering her seat 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: in the debating chamber that ex David Seymour took offense at. 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: Mister spager Joy, your attention to the member who has 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: just resumed her seat, which is adorned with a Palestinian scarf, 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: and I invite you to consider what might this House 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: might look like if everybody who had an interest in 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: a global conflict started adorning their seats with symbols of 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: one side or the of a conflict. I think that 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: would bring the House into disrepute. 40 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 4: You make a very good point. Actually, I think I've 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: been willing to accept that if people were wearing something 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: that did not particularly Oh here we go. Good, Okay, 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: we'll stay warm, We'll move on. 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Now she's wrapped it around there, so yeah, she took 45 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: it off the seat, wrapped it around her shoulders, as 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: were all the other Green members with Palestinian scarves draping 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: their shoulders, all in different colors, not just the black 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: and white today. So that was interesting. But look, after 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: questions were dealt with, Speaker brownly allowed a debate on 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: the recognition of Palestine and that was moved by Labour's 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: toe nade I keep saying toe, I knew it when. Yeah, 52 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: exactly after Hanarre and Winston Peters had the essay, as 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: you're about to hear, Swarbrick was back on her feet 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: and incurred the wrath of the speaker. 55 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 5: The warrant Gaza has killed so many and created the 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 5: humanitarian crisis which great us every morning we open our 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 5: eyes recognition, we believe is a necessary step towards ending 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 5: the cycle of violence we are witnessing. What we're seeing 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 5: from this government is in activity and sadly walking blissfully 60 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 5: into the sunset of ignorance. 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 6: For the Labor Party's benefit. They had fifteen years to 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 6: recognize Palestine's statehood. I had held o'clock this morning while 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 6: she was a Prime minister from ninety nine to two 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 6: thousand and eight. Did you do that then? 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: No? 66 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 6: And then twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three they had 67 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 6: the second chance and mister Hopkins was there as well 68 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 6: to do that. Then did they do it? 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: No? 70 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 6: Six years? 71 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: No, Missus Speaker. 72 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 7: I will reiterate my call for the Government to pick 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 7: up our Unlawful Occupation of Palestine Sanctions Bill and to 74 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 7: sanction Israel four. It's war crimes. If we find sex 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 7: of sixty eight government MPs with a spine, we can 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 7: stand on the right side of history. 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: That is completely unacceptable. To make that statement withdrawn and 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: apologize then leave the House for the rest of the week. 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: So she's got a week off about what she says. Well, 80 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 2: I've got to say I've heard many more eventsive things 81 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 2: in Parliament, don't. 82 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: Well Brook van Veld and dropped the sea boy the way. 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. But I think you know, Jerry was 84 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: at wits end. It was a pretty fierce debate. But 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: you know, I think she came out of Parliament and 86 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: she said, I think he was a bit heavy handed, 87 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: and I think he probably was on this occasion. I 88 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: meant to call MP spinalers. You're meant to call them 89 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: honorable members when you're in the debating chamber, and of 90 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: course you don't think that, but you're not meant to 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: say what you think in that place. So she sort 92 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 2: of incurred the wrath and is now on holiday for 93 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: the rest of the week. 94 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Barry, really quickly, what do you make of the poll? 95 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: There's a little update from the Taxpayers Union, isn't that? 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? And there'll probably be more of this on TV 97 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: ANDT tonight because they always follow up these polls. And 98 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: it comes as no surprise at all really that, you know, 99 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 2: growing the economy, it got minus three percent, reducing costs 100 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: for household minus thirty nine percent, managing national accounts and 101 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: to get them back into surplus minus one, creating joels 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: minus thirty three, and wasteful spending reducing it minus four. 103 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: So this is the government's scorecard according to Rotors. 104 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to say that that's everything is 105 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: in the negative. That won't come as good news to 106 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: the government, but it won't come as any surprise because 107 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: they know and we know the economy. Stupid is the 108 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: problem here. 109 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Barry Soper, 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Senior political correspondent. 111 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 113 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.