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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else, News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. The

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Speaker 2: surcharge ban is gone or is it? Because Labour now

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Speaker 2: says it's going to help National with it. So we'll

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Speaker 2: have a chat to Retail New Zealand after five. The

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Speaker 2: College of Midwives Chief Executive on the court win against

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Speaker 2: the government in the fight for fair and reasonable pace

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Speaker 2: is a long time coming, and we'll talk to psychologists

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Speaker 2: Sarah Chatwin about whether you should share your location with

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Speaker 2: your partner.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Cy Ellen, My.

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Speaker 2: Overriding reaction to the news today that the Tom Phillips

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Speaker 2: documentary is being made for Netflix is surprise. It's surprised

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Speaker 2: that the police are still allowing this to happen, especially

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Speaker 2: given it's now going on a platform we now know

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Speaker 2: it's being confirmed it's going on a platform as globally

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Speaker 2: dominant as Netflix, because imagine how many people are going

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Speaker 2: to watch this on Netflix around the world. Imagine if

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Speaker 2: this thing takes off and becomes popular in a way

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Speaker 2: some true crime stories on Netflix do think the Tinder Swindler.

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Speaker 2: What do you think happens after that? What did you

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Speaker 2: do after you watch that? After you watch the Tinder Swindler?

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Speaker 2: What did you do after you watch the Menendez Brothers

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Speaker 2: documentary or even the docu dramas are like apples side

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Speaker 2: of vinegar? You started googling, didn't you? That's what I did.

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Speaker 2: What do you think people around the world are going

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Speaker 2: to find when they start googling the Marikoppa kids? There

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Speaker 2: is a chance that they will come across the suppressed information.

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Speaker 2: And what do you think some of those global websites

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Speaker 2: us to enforce suppression laws overseas, there has got to

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Speaker 2: be the chance some of those guys overseas publish the

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Speaker 2: suppressed information. This feels to me like rolling the dice

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Speaker 2: big time on all of that information coming out in

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Speaker 2: a way that cannot easily be controlled by New Zealand law,

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Speaker 2: and which will limit these kids' ability to ever really

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Speaker 2: have lives that aren't haunted by stories about what happened

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Speaker 2: in the bush. This is why I am surprised the

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Speaker 2: Without the police support, this documentary would most likely not

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Speaker 2: big risk for the police and I don't know what

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Speaker 2: for why. Here's a good question, why are the police

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Speaker 2: so keen on helping to make a documentary about one

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Speaker 2: of the saddest events in New Zealand's.

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Speaker 3: History either due for see Allen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number, stand the

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Speaker 2: text free supply. Let me know what you think, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to talk to one of our very

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Speaker 2: very senior editors here at enzigmy Shane Curry, who wrote

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Speaker 2: about this today, will get his take on it. Now

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Speaker 2: to a migration battle, the pearents of a six year

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Speaker 2: have you been told he has to leave for what reason?

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Speaker 4: So we didn't as of recently received a reason the

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Speaker 4: latest decline that we got, But initially when he was

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Speaker 4: for OARS funding? So that's the funding that children get

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Speaker 4: in school that helps them if you have special needs.

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Speaker 4: It sort of covers the costs of the learning assistance

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 2: So essentially he is he is greater than a normal

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Speaker 2: so he has to leave. Is that about it? Do

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Speaker 2: you think that's about it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, why did the Immigration Minister or the Associate

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Speaker 4: Involved because his original student visa was declined. So the

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Speaker 4: that was also declined by immigration. And then the next

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you basically appeal to him he has to

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Speaker 4: I cannot say that. It is from a mom that

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Speaker 4: growth has been tremendous. What Leandre can do now compare

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Speaker 4: the rate at which he was learning in South Africa

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Speaker 2: This is a really harsh question ask you, so I

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Speaker 2: is he ever going to be contributing more to New

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Speaker 4: I don't know. See, that's the thing with children, you

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Speaker 4: never know what their future will be like. There's a

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Speaker 4: possibility that Lejandre could make a significant contribution. There's daily

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Speaker 4: reports where you read of people with Down syndrome that

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Speaker 4: works in cafes that owns businesses because their family is

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Speaker 4: that is the dream that we have for Landre. We

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Speaker 4: want to invest into him so that he can potentially

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Speaker 2: So in the cases where kids with downstand from grow

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Speaker 2: that child has a future that is financially secure themselves. Well, sometimes,

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Speaker 4: Been that passion per family currently?

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Speaker 2: Will you ever? I mean, I mean fair enough because

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Speaker 4: The plan is yes. So we have our whole plan

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Speaker 4: the plan is there to apply for residency. And there

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can imagine you guys must feel reasonably,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's a synonym of for gyp, But you

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: You come to the country, you think it's going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was sort of a punch in the guts

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Speaker 4: initially when we read about the acceptable standard of health

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Speaker 4: We had all the reports, you know, from his pediatrician

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Speaker 4: if we proved that he didn't have Down syndrome or

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Speaker 4: and that's impossible. So yeah, we were a bit gut

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Speaker 4: then we just sort of had to regroup and look

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Speaker 2: All right, So Nandi, thank you very much for having

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Speaker 2: a chat. I appreciate it. Sir Nandi Heldanas, the mother

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Speaker 2: of the six year old boy who has Down syndrome, Heather,

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Speaker 2: we need his pure little soul here as from Kat Heather,

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Speaker 2: good job, Immigration is doing its job. That's from Allen

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Speaker 9: What they've done Wellington Lines NPC product playing there and

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Speaker 9: if you listen up after seven on Tony Giles is

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Speaker 9: going to join us. He's the Wellington Lions CEO. Why

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Speaker 9: are you doing this? How is it going to work,

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Speaker 9: what's it going to cost you? What about the perception

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Speaker 9: So what's the theory and the logic behind this? Why A,

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Speaker 9: you're doing it now? Tony's going to join us, and

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Speaker 9: this fascinating. But after we talk with David Higgins yesterday

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Speaker 2: So isn't part of the reason that they leave the

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Speaker 2: Big Stadia because the Big Stadia charged too much to

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Speaker 9: Maybe they've deal said, look, we're going to come and

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Speaker 8: We're going to sink. And it's all very well getting

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Speaker 2: Hey, mostly the black Caps have lost the T twenty series.

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Speaker 9: Let's not talk about the black Caps. Let's talk about

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Speaker 9: Series so far. The new captain. But I know what

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Speaker 8: Summer of cricket carries on well into autumn because they're

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Speaker 9: And yeah we'll preview that came the All Sport Breakfast

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darc. There's always Darcy Wadgrave Sports Talk coost.

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Speaker 2: He'll be back seven o'clock this evening.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's heather duper Cellen

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Speaker 2: Be over the ditch. Barnaby Joyce is urging the government

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Speaker 10: The day's newspakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy.

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Speaker 1: Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power of

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Speaker 2: Be like Darry sofa is going to be with us

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Speaker 2: As we'll have a chat to them after five o'clock

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Speaker 2: Back to the US around piece and Ago shes. The

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Speaker 9: They are negotiating, by the way, and they want to

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Speaker 8: They're also afraid they'll be killed by us.

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Speaker 2: And finally he Langston Fishburn has been crowned the winner

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Speaker 2: of the annual Stellar Shouting Contest in New Orleans. Participants

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Speaker 1: They International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 2: Oh Dear Sam Emery, Australia correspondents with US now.

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Speaker 6: Hello Sam, Hello Heather, what a great way to let

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Speaker 2: I reckon. I tempted to get you, but now let's not.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about serious. So some of your gas stations

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Speaker 6: The government has now released roughly twenty percent of Australia's

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Speaker 6: I think most will sort of be used to Barnaby

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Speaker 2: Interesting now Queensland explain to me why they want to

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Speaker 6: This is the head scratcher that not many people could

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Speaker 6: do exist. There's a damn near Gold Coast. There's another

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Speaker 6: down down just south of Brisbane. Even the Sydney venue

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Speaker 6: could be used in Penis, which was obviously for the Olympics.

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Speaker 6: But the Queensland Deputy Premier remains are saying Rowing in

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Speaker 6: Rocky is rowing in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: He's honestly not the hell to die on. Hey, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Sam appreciated. Sam Emory Australia corresponded nineteen away.

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Speaker 3: From five either do for sea?

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Speaker 2: Allen David asked the question here the why has why

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Speaker 2: a national park run out of diesel? If we haven't

447
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Speaker 2: got a fuel shortage. I think I actually think Sam

448
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Speaker 2: might have just answered this question before, because at the moment,

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Speaker 2: we are being assured that all the tankers that are

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Speaker 2: due to arrive are arriving, and there is no in like,

451
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Speaker 2: we're getting pretty much normal shipments arriving. It's not weird.

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Speaker 2: We're not on there's no shortage. So why are people

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Speaker 2: It's just because people are panic buying. It's because you've

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Speaker 2: got old mate with there's forty four gallon drums and

455
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Speaker 2: he's filling them up at the gas station. You got

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Speaker 2: the old bows he's going on. I better put something

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Speaker 2: here just for a case that's what's going on, probably

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Speaker 2: because yeah, I think that might go some way to

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Speaker 2: explain it. But actually there is a weird thing going

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Speaker 2: on with the fuel count at the moment. Now, there's

461
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Speaker 2: a lot to tell you about the fuel count. So

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Speaker 2: I'll just start with us and we'll get to some

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Speaker 2: more later on MB does the fuel count right? And

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Speaker 2: so MB today updated the fuel count to say, look,

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Speaker 2: yesterday we got it a little bit wrong. We've got

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Speaker 2: we've got a new fuel count for you today. And

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Speaker 2: what was happening yesterday? Thomas Coglin's explained this to me,

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Speaker 2: so I'm completely blaming him. If this doesn't make any

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Speaker 2: sense to you, I'm throwing under the bus. It does

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Speaker 2: make some sense. They were making it look like the

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Speaker 2: ships that were already in New Zealand waters were still

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Speaker 2: two weeks away, so they they just kind of had

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Speaker 2: to just technically change things a little bit. And apparently

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Speaker 2: the recount bumped up how much fuel we have. But

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Speaker 2: I went and looked at the numbers for the fuel

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Speaker 2: and it didn't I could not see that it had

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Speaker 2: changed the numbers at all. So maybe it did, maybe

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Speaker 2: it didn't. Maybe I'm done. But there was somebody else

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Speaker 2: who also said to me, like, I'm looking to get

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Speaker 2: these numbers as well. I can't see a change in

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Speaker 2: the numbers. But then it got even more confusing because

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Speaker 2: that was that was this morning. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: MB takes it down again this afternoon, like in the

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Speaker 2: last hour and a half or so, takes it down again.

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Speaker 2: So there's the technical problem, fixes the technical problem, puts

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Speaker 2: it back up again. No change that we can see

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Speaker 2: looks exactly the same. And apparently this has happened now

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Speaker 2: three times today, So I don't know what. We can't

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Speaker 2: explain what's going on there. The other thing which is

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Speaker 2: weird is what is going on. There's a big difference

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Speaker 2: between what MB says we've got in country on water

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Speaker 2: and what a couple of dashboards that are being run

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Speaker 2: now say. So I'm going to ran you through that

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Speaker 2: when I get a chance shortly. But Barry Soapers with

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Speaker 2: US next seventeen away from.

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Speaker 3: Five Politics with Centric Credit. Check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Either if there's a chance of a crock attack during

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Speaker 2: the rowing, the Olympic viewership will go through the roof. Robbie,

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Speaker 2: you make not a bad point. Actually, fourteen away from

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Speaker 2: five Barry Soaper, Senior Political Correspondents with US Allo Barret,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, Heather so Seymour as the PM again today and.

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Speaker 12: Does he love it in the house. I mean he

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Speaker 12: revels in it and today was no exception. He clearly

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Speaker 12: had lined up a series of patsy questions as he

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Speaker 12: always does from his MP Simon Court and fared off

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Speaker 12: an interjection from Labor about his own pet projects. School

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Speaker 12: lunches were filled, which filled him with glee.

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Speaker 13: We are delivering a healthy school lunch program at half

510
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Speaker 13: the price that they did, and having the same percentage

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Speaker 13: of lunches sent back, which suggest the quality is the

512
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Speaker 13: same for half the price. If they had thought like

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Speaker 13: that a little bit more when they were in government,

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Speaker 13: maybe there'd be a bit more money to go around

515
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Speaker 13: in New Zealand right now. But sadly they didn't, and

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Speaker 13: that's why we've got to keep them over there and

517
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Speaker 13: these good people over here so it doesn't happen to

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Speaker 13: New Zealander's finances again.

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Speaker 9: How is the government preparing for potential downstream impacts of

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Speaker 9: the Middle East conflict.

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Speaker 13: Mister speaker, We've just heard from Willie Jackson. We're doing nothing,

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Speaker 13: and I can only imagine that he is relating what

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Speaker 13: he did when he was in government. As Shakespeare once said,

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Speaker 13: measuring the minds of others by his own. And in

525
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Speaker 13: Willie Jackson's case, you don't need a very long ruler

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Speaker 13: to make that measurement, mister speaker.

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Speaker 12: Not a bad line, I'll tell you. You know, it's

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Speaker 12: funny to watch the body language of Seymour when he

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Speaker 12: stands in.

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Speaker 9: For the prime.

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Speaker 12: He really does love it, and you know, maybe he

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Speaker 12: can see way down the track in the future.

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Speaker 2: You know who knows what can he see bearing.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean I don't think he will.

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Speaker 8: But change parties.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how did the Greens housing policy from yesterday land?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 12: Yet it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because they're promising

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Speaker 12: to legislation to limit rent rises at two percent a

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Speaker 12: year and you know that's the old rent cap. There'll

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Speaker 12: be no cause of actions would be scrapped, so if

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Speaker 12: you don't have a reason to get rid of somebody

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Speaker 12: then you're not allowed to move them on. There'll be

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Speaker 12: a rental warrant of fitness and a register of landlords

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Speaker 12: and property managers introduced him. You know, I don't mind

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Speaker 12: the old property manager thing, having had one myself in

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Speaker 12: the past. Investing in public housing and ending homelessness would

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Speaker 12: be increased, so they say. Now. The launch of the

549
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Speaker 12: policy was made at the Wellington Rental by Madame me Davison,

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Speaker 12: the co leader, and by the local MP, Timoth of Pool.

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Speaker 12: Now it was Tamitha Paul who was at that launch

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Speaker 12: and she basically asking questions of the Associate Minister Toma Poltucker,

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Speaker 12: who says rental increases are now almost flat.

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Speaker 11: Lighting prints up just under one percent in the year

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Speaker 11: January to twenty twenty six, which is lower than inflation.

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Speaker 11: But what we definitely won't do is start going around

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Speaker 11: putting rent controls on everyone.

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Speaker 2: What evidence does he have that rent controls would do

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Speaker 2: anything other than put a limit on rents that New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders already can't afford.

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Speaker 11: How many cities need to try and fail itself in

562
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Speaker 11: their rental challenges through rent controls for the Greens to

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Speaker 11: learn rent controls don't work. The Greens housing plan in general,

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Speaker 11: make the housing market and you selling much worse.

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Speaker 2: Hey, did you see speaking of will and it was

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Speaker 2: slightly related? Did you see what they're charging the rate

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Speaker 2: payers in your old stomping ground of Gore?

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Speaker 14: Did I what?

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Speaker 12: And I thought, you know, I have never been a

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Speaker 12: rate payer in Gore, unfortunately, because it's a lovely little town.

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Speaker 12: But by goodness, is it going to cost a lot

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Speaker 12: to live there? The Taxpayers Union said, as a bit

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Speaker 12: of a cause celeb and of course the mayor and.

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Speaker 8: Gore is that young fellow Ben Bell.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Now they've already endured according to the Taxpayers Union, of

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Speaker 12: forty six point six percent cumulative rate rise over the

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Speaker 12: past three years.

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Speaker 2: That's massive, that's rough man.

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Speaker 12: And then just this week the counselors sat down and

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Speaker 12: they approved, without any consultation with the public, an eleven

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Speaker 12: percent rate rise. I mean, it's incredible. This little town,

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Speaker 12: the one that I grew up and is becoming awfully.

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Speaker 2: Expensive, spending the money on Barry.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's a very good point.

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Speaker 2: Can you go away and figure it out and come

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Speaker 2: back and tell us tomorrow.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'll tell you what. They should talk to the

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Speaker 12: Taxpayers Union because they've written a report one hundred and

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Speaker 12: three ways to save money in local government. Now they've

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Speaker 12: given examples of how you cut your cloth, and maybe

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Speaker 12: they should be required reading for the Gore.

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Speaker 2: Council because didn't they didn't They plant some trees and

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Speaker 2: it cost a huge amount of money and then they

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Speaker 2: ripped the trees out again, was something like that.

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Speaker 12: They had the Bob Jones fish I think done up

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Speaker 12: at one stage as well.

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Speaker 2: Now there was a different town.

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Speaker 15: I threw a.

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Speaker 2: Blame Gore for it. That's what you have to do tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You have to go go away and find out what

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Speaker 2: profligacy profligacy is going on in Gore so we can

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Speaker 2: understand why the child child mayor is spending all this money.

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Speaker 12: I'll wring me old mates down there.

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Speaker 2: Got on you Berry, Thanks very much, Barry so Per,

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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent. Nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 16: The fury bites into that jet fuel access, jet stars

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Speaker 16: gone and can twelve percent of their services Philly More

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Speaker 16: as the chief executive of the airport's association, you reckon,

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Speaker 16: there's more weathers came from.

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Speaker 17: We would expect if the challenges go on for a

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Speaker 17: bit longer, there might be some rolling cuts like this,

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Speaker 17: but hopefully not at more of a scale of we've

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Speaker 17: thing already.

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Speaker 16: Does it actually affect me? Or is it more about

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Speaker 16: the airline's bottom line? I mean if I can still

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Speaker 16: get there, sort of having a choice of three, I

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Speaker 16: now have a choice of two. I don't care do

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Speaker 16: it well?

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Speaker 17: It will depend on frequency and schedule. At the moment,

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Speaker 17: New Zealand already doesn't have the play capacity that it

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Speaker 17: needs to the economy, so these cuts to heaven effects

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Speaker 17: across the country.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: Baby's Real Estate News.

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Speaker 3: Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Heather MPD in Rolliston has a twenty minute line discount

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Speaker 2: Thursday's need to Go. That's from being well, if it

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Speaker 2: works for the business, it works for the business. Hey,

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Speaker 2: here's an interesting one. Okay, so there's an article that's

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Speaker 2: doing the rounds at the moment raising concerns about location sharing.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about. When you turn your

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Speaker 2: love you can you can do the thing on your

635
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Speaker 2: phone where you can location share with your partner or

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Speaker 2: your mum or whatever. And what they're worried about is

637
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Speaker 2: that in many relationships now one of them, generally the

638
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Speaker 2: boyfriend will go, hey, I want a location share with you.

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Speaker 2: I want to know where you are always because I

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Speaker 2: love you so much with my whole heart and I

641
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Speaker 2: can't bear to be apart from you. I don't need

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Speaker 2: to know where you are. And she's, of course, I

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Speaker 2: love you so much. Yay, goes yes, And then nick

644
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Speaker 2: minute he's stalking her, Sarah. And the thing is, I mean, like, okay,

645
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Speaker 2: we're all grown ups. We can when once you're in deep,

646
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Speaker 2: like deeply embedded in a relationship, you sort of know

647
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Speaker 2: they're not stalking you. They just want to know where

648
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Speaker 2: you just want to know why he's not answering his

649
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Speaker 2: phone and You've tried calling him ten times, and when

650
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Speaker 2: is he going to be back with the baby? Because

651
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Speaker 2: you want to know if you've got enough time for

652
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Speaker 2: a shower. You know, once you're like really in a relationship,

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Speaker 2: it's fine, But it's for those ones who are just

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Speaker 2: fledgling relationships. How do you know if it's okay to

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Speaker 2: say yes, Sarah Chatwin is going to be us. She's

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Speaker 2: a psychologist, knows all the stuff, so she'll be with

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Speaker 2: us shortly. Now on the fuel thing, Okay, so this

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Speaker 2: is the other thing that's a bit weird about our

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Speaker 2: fuel account in the country is that we have conflicting

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Speaker 2: messages now on how much fuel there is in the country. Now,

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Speaker 2: normally you would defer to just going with the government messaging, right,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like after COVID, a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: people are just tired of government messaging and maybe like

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Speaker 2: ready for another conspiracy and a round a panic, so

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Speaker 2: going elsewhere. So from what I can see, there are

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Speaker 2: about four different metrics that are online. There's various website

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Speaker 2: you can go to. Now, two of them seem to

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Speaker 2: be the predominant ones people are using or you know,

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Speaker 2: most likely to become inzed oil Watch in the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 2: Now these two are both running fuel clocks that very

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Speaker 2: much disagree with what the government says we have. So

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Speaker 2: the government reckons that we have about eighteen days of

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Speaker 2: diesel in country and twenty eight on the water, which

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Speaker 2: adds to forty six. But these two websites, enzet oil

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Speaker 2: Watch and the Taxpayers Union reckon we've only got fourteen

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Speaker 2: or fifteen days in country and seven on the water.

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Speaker 2: That's a big difference. That's a claim of twenty one

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Speaker 2: days versus forty six days. Big discrepancy. Same thing with petrol.

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Speaker 2: Both reckon we've only got about six days on the water.

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Speaker 2: NBCs we've got twenty four days on the water. Taxpayers

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Speaker 2: Union no reasonably credit, totally credible INSI oil Watch is

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Speaker 2: not run by a Numpty. It's apparently run by a

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Speaker 2: B and Z Financial Markets project manager. So tomorrow, of course,

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Speaker 2: there's a big announcement on when what it takes to

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Speaker 2: tip us to level two, and we'll ask whoever it

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Speaker 2: is from the government that's runting. We'll ast them to

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Speaker 2: explain what's going on here and why we've got different counts.

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Speaker 2: Next up, though, let's have a chat to Retail New

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Speaker 2: Zealand on Labour coming to save the day with the

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Speaker 2: Surcharge Band?

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Speaker 18: Whose count it be?

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers.

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Speaker 3: Find the and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Here the duplicy and drive with One New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the power of satellite mobile news Talk zend B.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. The government's credit card surcharge band might have

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Speaker 2: just been given a last minute replete reprieve. It was

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Speaker 2: declared dead this morning because ACT had pulled support for it,

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Speaker 2: but now Labor has said it might yet support it.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like only if the banks absorb the fees.

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Speaker 2: Carolyn Young is the CEO of Retailing z and with

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Speaker 2: us Hi, Carolyn, would that work? Can the banks be

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Speaker 2: forced to absorb the fees.

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Speaker 6: Thing?

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Speaker 5: It's unlikely that that's going to happen, But look, that

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Speaker 5: would be a good outcome for everyone if that was possible,

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Speaker 5: wouldn't it Because from a consumer and a merchant perspective,

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't be having to bear those increased costs for

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Speaker 5: the hire of technology that's been introduced through contact payments.

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Speaker 2: Why is it unlikely to happen?

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Speaker 5: Well, because you know if you talk to any bank,

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Speaker 5: they're going to sit down and say to you that

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Speaker 5: to develop, and the credit card companies they're going to

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Speaker 5: say to you that to develop safer, more technologically friendly

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Speaker 5: solutions for people to make payments costs. It takes investment

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Speaker 5: and funding to be able to do that. So, for example,

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Speaker 5: part of the reason why f poss has been declining

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Speaker 5: in terms of the volume that goes through those rails

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Speaker 5: is it's a very static program that nothing's changed in

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Speaker 5: thirty years or virtually nothing has changed in thirty years,

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Speaker 5: so it feels and looks the same to everyone. And

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Speaker 5: there's been no investment from the banks because there's no

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Speaker 5: revenue from them generated in that space, Whereas in terms

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Speaker 5: when you look at contact with payments, being able to

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Speaker 5: play through a wallet or through tap and go or

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Speaker 5: you know, in sit whichever way you want to pay,

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Speaker 5: all of those different methods come through with technology and investment,

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Speaker 5: and therefore there's significant fees that have been attached to them.

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Speaker 5: And of course a lot of that escalation and use

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Speaker 5: happened through and post COVID, where we were concerned about

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Speaker 5: you know, contacting people and touching things and all of

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Speaker 5: those sorts of areas. So there was a great escalation

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Speaker 5: in the use at that time. And now you see

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Speaker 5: ten years ago, forty five percent of transactions were done

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Speaker 5: via credit and now you know ten years later, twenty

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Speaker 5: one sorry, seventy one percent of transactions go through either

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Speaker 5: through a wallet, through contactless, or through credit and so

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Speaker 5: that's a big portion that's got a significant fee, and

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Speaker 5: that's the big change in what retailers have experienced in

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Speaker 5: terms of the fees that they're paying back through to

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Speaker 5: the banks and credit card companies.

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Speaker 2: Does it worry you that labours come to the rescue

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Speaker 2: here potentially.

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Speaker 5: Look, if they can get the banks tops or the fee,

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Speaker 5: that will be a great outcome. We're absolutely one hundred.

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Speaker 3: You talk that the.

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Speaker 2: Retailers, given that, you don't think that it's possible they

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Speaker 2: may have justesn't rescue to force a thing through that

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Speaker 2: actors just effectively killed off, and thank god for that.

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Speaker 2: But they may in fact revive a bad thing.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they will. They won't revive it as

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Speaker 5: it is. We've had a couple of conversations with Arianna Williams,

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Speaker 5: and certainly there was no way that they were going

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Speaker 5: to support its status quo. So we've reached out to

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Speaker 5: her today and waiting to speak to her further on

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Speaker 5: her suggestions.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, Carolyn, Thank you very much appreciated Carolyn. Then retail

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Speaker 2: ends CEO ten past five Ever DUP for the al

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Speaker 2: self employed midwives have won their long fought legal battle overpay.

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Speaker 2: The High Court has ruled in their favor today, ruling

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Speaker 2: that the Crown breached its promise to make sure they

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Speaker 2: were paid fairly and reasonably. In the College of Midwives

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive Allison Eddie is with us. Hi Allison Hi. There,

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Speaker 2: So what does fair and reasonable pay then mean?

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Speaker 14: Well, fair and reasonable with what any health professional, any

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Speaker 14: person should expect to get paid. And the court considered

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Speaker 14: a range of evidence from a number of experts and

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Speaker 14: reports commissioned by the government. Actually as part of the

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Speaker 14: process we've been working through with them to determine what

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Speaker 14: that was. So they have put a sum on it

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Speaker 14: and I can't tell he earth the top of my

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Speaker 14: here what it is. It's in the judgment, but it's

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Speaker 14: based on fair and reasonable pay, based on comparators, you know,

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Speaker 14: reasonable comparators that recognize the value of the work that

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Speaker 14: midwives do and the fact that they're self employed and

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Speaker 14: has to carry the costs of that and providing a

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Speaker 14: twenty four to seven service three hundred and sixty five days.

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Speaker 2: So what happens next, does the government automatically bump up

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Speaker 2: the pay.

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Speaker 14: Well, today, the Crown has appealed the finding, which you

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Speaker 14: know does not surprise us. It would have been nice

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Speaker 14: that they've given us at least a day to enjoy it,

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Speaker 14: but they you know, the finding is a significant one.

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Speaker 14: You know, it's found that the Crown had breached its

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Speaker 14: contractual promise to the midwives to ensure that they received

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Speaker 14: this fair and reasonable pay and that they would have

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Speaker 14: a new contract model in place by July twenty twenty,

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Speaker 14: you know, nearly six years ago. And that was really

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Speaker 14: one of the key reasons why we took the case

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Speaker 14: because the contract model that midwives are working under is

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Speaker 14: actually really outdated, and the Crown has found that, or

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Speaker 14: the judge has found that it's actually illegal and it's

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Speaker 14: it's actually breaching midwise human rights and is awarded each

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Speaker 14: of the midwives in the claim a thousand dollars inherent

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Speaker 14: loss of dignity payment in recognition of that breach of

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Speaker 14: the human rights, which is actually reflects the experience that

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Speaker 14: midwives have had for many years and how they been treated.

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Speaker 2: If this goes you, I mean, I realize we've got

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Speaker 2: the appeal now to get through. But if this does

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Speaker 2: end up going your way, do you think it will

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Speaker 2: entice more women to and men if they want to

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Speaker 2: join the workforce.

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Speaker 14: We absolutely hope so. And you know that's at the

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Speaker 14: heart of this. It's actually obviously it's about midwives, but

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Speaker 14: it's actually about women and babies been able to access midwives.

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Speaker 14: We've had an incredible shortage, We've had challenges around sustainability

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Speaker 14: for our profession and you know, we simply can't can't

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Speaker 14: stand that we have to have a service. Woman deserve

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Speaker 14: a service, and we want midwives to be properly and

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Speaker 14: fairly treated, fairly paid, and have the same rights to

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Speaker 14: negotiate their conditions as other health professionals do, so that

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Speaker 14: we can retain them and attract people to be midwives.

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Speaker 2: Now, Allison, thank you very much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 2: This is Alison any College of Midwives Chief Executive. Together

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Speaker 2: fullsithe Bar has put out a note on Air New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and I'll tell you what spiraital for Air New

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Speaker 2: Zealand because gee was it must be hard to be

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Speaker 2: running an airline at the moment. Full sithe Bar warns

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Speaker 2: that Air New Zealand may have to have another look

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Speaker 2: at maybe even cutting capacity further if fuel costs from

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Speaker 2: as high as they are they have already. You'll remember

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Speaker 2: that the five percent that they've cut out of the

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Speaker 2: capacity was for the next six to eight weeks, right,

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Speaker 2: so they will at some point have to rethink it,

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Speaker 2: and the cost of the fuel could be adding about

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Speaker 2: five million dollars a day to the running of the airline.

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Speaker 2: For South bar reckons they could be looking now at

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Speaker 2: booking a two hundred and twenty six million dollar net

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Speaker 2: loss for the twenty six financial year, about one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty for the loss for next year. The best

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Speaker 2: case scenario is that they this we're in the second half,

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Speaker 2: by the way for them final in the financial year.

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Speaker 2: So the best case scenario for them is that in

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Speaker 2: this half that they're in, their fuel bill is eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven million dollars. The worst case scenario,

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Speaker 2: if the fuel remains elevated at these levels all the

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Speaker 2: way through to December, is that they book a bill

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Speaker 2: of more than a billion dollars fourteen past five. Hither,

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Speaker 2: of course the bank should bear the cost. What were

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Speaker 2: the bank profits ten years ago versus today? Crimea river?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: And actually we'll come back to this because yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't think anyone's going to be too worried about the banks,

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Speaker 2: are they? Five? We need to talk about one of

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Speaker 2: the more contentious relationship debates first of the modern age,

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Speaker 2: which is the old location sharing. Heaps of us do it,

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Speaker 2: but there are some concerns that this practice can be

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Speaker 2: used by abuses to exert control over their partners. Sarah

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Speaker 2: Chatwin as a psychologist and a brain coach at Mind

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Speaker 2: Works and is with us. Hi, Sarah, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Despite the fact that I

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Speaker 2: do location share.

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Speaker 18: How do you do?

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Speaker 2: How do you know if you shouldn't?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 19: I think if it becomes something that's driving your every

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Speaker 19: move in your day, you know, there might be a

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Speaker 19: little bit of an imbalance there. And I think from

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Speaker 19: the you know, the outset, you and your partner or

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Speaker 19: whoever your location sharing with, you know, you need to

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Speaker 19: have a bit of a chat about, you know, what

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Speaker 19: the parameters are, are their boundaries, and what it actually

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Speaker 19: means for both of you.

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Speaker 2: Do you location share?

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Speaker 18: I don't, honestly.

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Speaker 19: When your producer phoned me, I went, what are we

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Speaker 19: talking about here? You know, the world and life generally,

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Speaker 19: in my view, has got very complicated with regard to

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Speaker 19: act and this, you know, the digital space, social media

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Speaker 19: and all the rest of it. Sometimes I would like

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Speaker 19: to really.

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Speaker 18: Dial back and just think about what we.

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00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 19: Actually need and what actually benefits us positively. So no,

876
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 19: but would I Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

877
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 19: I've never been asked, and I've never asked, to be honest.

878
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So I was explaining to the guys in the

879
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: office when we're talking about this, that I location share

880
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: with two people. One is my husband, because as my

881
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: team can testify, you can call that man ten times

882
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: and he will not pick up the phone, like he's

883
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: got no idea. So sometimes you actually just we've got

884
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: the small jobs. I need to know where he is.

885
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: Sometimes how much time have I got before they're back

886
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: from there?

887
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: Walk?

888
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: Can I have a shower? So it's quite handy. But

889
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: the other one, the other one is with my mum,

890
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: and this is just a weird codependency, I think actually,

891
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: So sometimes I try to call my mum and I

892
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: can't get hold of her, and then I look at

893
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: the location to see if she might be with one

894
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: of her clients, and oh, that's why she's not answering.

895
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: I'll just wait, she'll call me back. As the producer

896
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: said to me, that maybe I should just learn to

897
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: go for two hours without needing my mum.

898
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 20: Have I got to put out your mom?

899
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 21: Oh?

900
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Speaker 5: Bless Look.

901
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Speaker 19: I think that what you've summed up there is that

902
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 19: for you and for many people out there, location sharing

903
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 19: could reduce anxiety. And I think it's actually lovely that

904
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 19: you have that relationship with your mum. I'm not sure

905
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 19: that it's codependent, so don't go there yet, but I

906
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 19: think that you care. And I think it's nice to

907
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 19: be able to keep a track on people who perhaps

908
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 19: are a little older. Maybe there are some people out

909
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 19: there with limited mobility. Maybe people do have small children

910
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 19: like you, and they do want to know, you know,

911
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 19: what they can cram into the time that's theirs. So

912
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 19: there are many reasons why location sharing can be a

913
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 19: really good thing, and I was quite interested to see that.

914
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 19: One in ten Ossies said that it's absolutely reasonable to

915
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 19: track a partner using that app.

916
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 18: I just think that at the extreme end.

917
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 19: Of the continuum, you can have people that perhaps by

918
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 19: location sharing, feel like they're submitting, feel like they're being

919
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 19: coerced by their partnerhaps don't want to do it, but

920
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 19: feel like the relationship, you know, might hit a bit

921
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 19: of a you know, a blip unless they yes submit

922
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 19: to the wishes of their partners. So that could be

923
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 19: a little bit of a dangerous landscape that you have

924
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 19: to navigate there. But I think you know, it's all

925
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 19: about individual preferences, isn't it. And as a couple, as

926
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 19: two people, you get together, you talk about it, you

927
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 19: talk about what relevance it has in your life, and

928
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 19: you go from there.

929
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sarah, as always you you bright my day.

930
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: That's Sarah Chaplin, psychologist and Brain Brain coach at Mind Works.

931
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: I love that, Sarah. Sarah thought it was just I

932
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: have a lovely relationship with my mum and no, no,

933
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: I just get really frustrated. It's because I'm impatient. Just

934
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: get frustrated. If you're not answering the phone, then I

935
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: want to know why you're not answering the phone. And

936
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: then I feel absolutely fine afterwards and know that you

937
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: call me back. Speaking of which, by the way, if

938
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: we talk about this, you want to talk about two

939
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: Acoo College, just talk about I'll fit in a spot.

940
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: We'll talk about two Aco College and just a minute.

941
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Speaker 2: Five twenty one.

942
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

943
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: it's Heather duper cl and drive with one New Zealand

944
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: coverage like no one else used talk.

945
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: There'd be whether I use the location sharing with my

946
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: husband and if I lose my phone on the farm,

947
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: it's just also I found my phone by the in

948
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: the paddock by the river. It's quite a good use

949
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: for it, isn't it. Susan. Actually I did that for

950
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: my husband the other day. He called me up and

951
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: he said, called me on someone else's phone, said, I've

952
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: lost my phone. Honestly to god, this is what happens

953
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: for women. I've lost my phone. Where is it? I'm

954
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: at work. I don't know where your phone is. Mate.

955
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: But then I looked on I looked on his location

956
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: thing and I was like, mate, it looks like it's

957
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: down the back of the house by the car. Guess

958
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: where it was? Five twenty four Women's Life. Now let's

959
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: talk about the court decision in California against Meta and YouTube.

960
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: Some analysts and commentators are calling this big Text Tobacco moment,

961
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: and I think they might be right. And it's not

962
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: just because of the single court case that's found that

963
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: Meta and YouTube tried to design an algorithm deliberately to

964
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: be addictive, but also because of the court case yesterday

965
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: in New Mexico that found that Meta can sealed that

966
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: they knew that these algorithms and stuff were hurting kids'

967
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: mental health. But also because of the general change in

968
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 2: attitude that we have towards big tech and the mounting

969
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: evidence that it's doing harm, and the ban on phones

970
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: and schools in New Zealand, which is gaining traction, and

971
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: the ban on under sixteens using social media in Australia

972
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: which is now gaining traction around the world, and the

973
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: books about what's happening inside Facebook, and the books about

974
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: what social media is doing to our kids' brains, and

975
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: the concerns that parents are voicing about what they are

976
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: seeing in their homes is happening to their teens, which

977
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: they realize is not their imagination because they talk to

978
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: other parents and they are seeing the same thing. This

979
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: is exactly what happened to big tobacco. First, it was

980
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: cool to smoke, it was fine. Then the evidence started

981
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: emerging that it wasn't safe. It was denied, it was

982
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: actively suppressed, it went to court, the public attitude shifted.

983
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: There was backlash, and sure, some people still smoked. Some

984
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: people still smoked a lot, and they smoked when they

985
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 2: went out drinking. But then they started to smoke less,

986
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: and now we're just stigmatized.

987
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: Now.

988
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that social media is necessarily going to

989
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: go exactly the same way as the fags to being sidelined,

990
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: because it still has some actual use for some people.

991
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: But there is a chance that it does go the

992
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: way of the cities, because there are increasing numbers of

993
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: people who will now tell you they do not use

994
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: social media at all, and they do not miss it.

995
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: I think this is an inflection point. At the very least,

996
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: today's court case is a chink in the armor for

997
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: meta that will be exposed by future court cases. But

998
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: at the worst, it is maybe their big tobacco moment

999
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: together do for see Ellen right Turkut college. So I

1000
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: had shot this morning. When I was reading, I said, goodness,

1001
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: there's a school on my caddo that's in lockdown. Oh

1002
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: my gosh, it's the school I used to go to.

1003
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: That's my old school. I went there till from Form

1004
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: two to Form seven? Was that what it was called

1005
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: back in the old days was year thirteen? Year eight

1006
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: to year thirteen. Anyway, the teachers apparently fine minor injuries.

1007
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Sounded really dramatic at the start, like the teacher was

1008
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: going to die. It doesn't sound like that. It all

1009
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: was just minut child is in custody, can stab the teacher.

1010
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: This is the thing that I thought though, how scary

1011
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: today must have been for the kids and for the parents,

1012
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: because it was it was a reasonable I mean, look,

1013
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: we don't know the detail, just it sounded like it

1014
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: was a reasonably isolated incident. Nutting kid obviously needs to

1015
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: be dealt with. Something's going funny there, But sounds like

1016
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: what happened was the lockdown bell went off, and it

1017
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: was going off for something like forty minutes, and the

1018
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: kids were told to go back to their classes. And

1019
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: that would have been scary enough for the kids to

1020
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: sit there listening to the lockdown bell for forty minutes,

1021
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: But then the parents see it on social media and

1022
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: has popped up and it's like two OK. Our colleges

1023
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: the said, don't come and get the kids, don't come

1024
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: to school, don't call us. Imagine how scary that was

1025
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: for the parents to sit there for forty minutes, going

1026
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: what the hell's going on? Because I would have gone

1027
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: to the worst place in my head, wouldn't you? Anyway, jeez,

1028
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I sped. Back in my day.

1029
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: It was a rough school. It really was desole one.

1030
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: It's a lot better now, it's Decil four. But man,

1031
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: spare a thought for the teachers having to deal with

1032
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 2: this kind of crap at school nowadays. Knives and stuff

1033
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: a kia kaha to them. Next up, Shane Curry on

1034
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do about this Netflix documentary on the

1035
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: Tom Phillips Kids, if anything at all. He just thinks

1036
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 2: they'd been.

1037
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1038
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Heather duplicy Ellen

1039
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand hands of power of satellite

1040
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: mobile news talk.

1041
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: Sa'd be.

1042
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 19: Heather.

1043
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: Smoking is still cool? Yeah, Unfortunately smoking is becoming cool again,

1044
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: isn't it. So there's always a chance for social media speak.

1045
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Health advice absolutely, not health advice at all, Fashion advice. Obviously,

1046
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: it looks awesome nowadays to have a skinny little bag

1047
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: hanging out your fingers. Again, We're gonna have a chat

1048
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: to Samantha marsh she's at Auckland University about what she

1049
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: thinks whether this is the big tobacco moment for Facebook

1050
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: and Meta and all those guys. She's with us after

1051
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: six o'clock. We also have the Huddle standing by now

1052
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: twenty four away from six being revealed. As we said

1053
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: at the start of the program, that the Julie Christi

1054
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: documentary on Tom Phillips and his kids will screen on Netflix.

1055
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: Documentary is also being made with the help of New

1056
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: Zealand Police. The Herald's editor at large and media insider

1057
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: writer Shane Curry is with us now. Hy Shane, Good evening,

1058
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: Heathers is this wise from the cops.

1059
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 22: Is the way the case has turned out, And obviously

1060
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 22: with the fatal shootout last September, it suddenly threw everything

1061
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 22: in the spotlight, including this access that the Netflix crew

1062
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 22: and Julie Christie had had in the previous months, and

1063
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 22: because of that, there was a lot of irritation if

1064
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 22: you remember at the scene back in September, when suddenly

1065
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 22: this camera crew was getting in behind the cordons, getting

1066
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 22: exclusive access to both the scene of the quad bike

1067
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 22: and further into the bush, while whereas New Zealand media

1068
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 22: were kept at the cordons and went allout in And

1069
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 22: so there's a whole lot of factors that are playing

1070
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 22: to that question. But I think ultimately the answer is no,

1071
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 22: it's not wise.

1072
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: Okay, but that sounds a professional jealousy from the media.

1073
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: Is that fair?

1074
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 6: No, I think.

1075
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Speaker 22: Because you know, this is obviously a live breaking news environment.

1076
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 22: You've got the police who are taxpayer funded, a lot

1077
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 22: of questions around their own actions in the previous thirteen

1078
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 22: hundred and fifty eight days that Tom Phillips had been

1079
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 22: on the run. But basically what you've got here is

1080
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 22: essentially not a documentary because the police have these extreme

1081
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 22: rights to be able to say what can and can't

1082
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 22: scream within the show. It's actually sounding more like, you know,

1083
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 22: putting aside July Christie's amazing abilities as a filmmaker will

1084
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 22: look them sound great, but it's actually it could end

1085
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 22: up being a police pr well.

1086
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: So we have managed to I mean, I don't think

1087
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm breaching any confidences to say. We've spoken to Julie

1088
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Christi today and what she's told us is the only

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Speaker 2: control that the police have, Shane, is over the use

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Speaker 2: of their own footage. Everything outside of that is at

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Speaker 2: the discretion of the documentary maker, which then also brings

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Speaker 2: you to the next question, which is are they going

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Speaker 2: to run any of the suppressed stuff? Because they shouldn't

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Speaker 2: run it globally, but it's very hard to enforce it globally.

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Speaker 2: So will they run it?

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Speaker 22: Do you think, Well, they won't be able to do

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Speaker 22: that without I guess GEO blocking that in New zeal

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Speaker 22: I don't think the police themselves would allow that. But

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Speaker 22: I'll read out a line from the contract. Okay, we

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Speaker 22: got hold of the contract last month that the contract

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Speaker 22: states that quote, in the event of a dispute as

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Speaker 22: to the factual accuracy of the content of the documentary,

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Speaker 22: the decision of the police shall be binding on the producer.

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Speaker 22: So you know that is an all encompassing clause by

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Speaker 22: the sound of it. Now, Julie might well argue the point.

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Speaker 22: You know, if anyone can in this country, it will

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Speaker 22: be her. But there are these clauses within there that

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Speaker 22: do allow police a to have viewing and vetting rights

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Speaker 22: and be, by the sound of it, to have the

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Speaker 22: ultimate call on whether it even screens certain content.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this might answer the question that I asked

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Speaker 2: at the very sound of the program, why are the

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Speaker 2: police doing it? Are they doing it for a pr exercise?

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Speaker 22: Well, they do a lot of these behind the scenes shows,

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Speaker 22: and normally it is a local television crew or a

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Speaker 22: local television platform that benefits from that. So we've seen

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Speaker 22: that a lot. But of course, and there'll be different

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Speaker 22: clauses with each of these projects as to what the

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Speaker 22: police can and can't influence on what eventually screens. But yes,

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Speaker 22: I think this is an opportunity for the police. Obviously,

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Speaker 22: you know, they would have done a lot of work

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Speaker 22: in behind the scenes things that we don't even know

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Speaker 22: about over those four years in terms of trying to

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Speaker 22: track the family down, which will come to the fore

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Speaker 22: in that documentary. But ultimately, you know, from a journalistic

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Speaker 22: point of view, there will still be hard questions to

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Speaker 22: be asked around just what unfolded in those four years,

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Speaker 22: particularly in the police approach. And I don't think this

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Speaker 22: Netflix documentary is necessarily going to answer those questions.

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Speaker 2: What I worry about, Shane, is that this goes out there,

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Speaker 2: it gets play to a global audience. There may be

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Speaker 2: some interest in that people start googling and it dredges

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Speaker 2: up the suppress stuff again. Is that possible?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, Well, the police Commissioner has been and he wasn't

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Speaker 22: the commissioner when this decision was made for the documentary

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Speaker 22: to go ahead. That came under the previous administration and

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Speaker 22: the pr team there, but he's been adamant that privacy

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Speaker 22: issues will be covered off, just as it is with

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Speaker 22: any of them these other shows that they've done with

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Speaker 22: the local platform. So I think we can probably trust

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Speaker 22: them on that. I think they've said from the get

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Speaker 22: go that the children's interests will be the priority, that

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Speaker 22: those privacy interests will be protected. So that again then

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Speaker 22: leads to the question, will you know just exactly what

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Speaker 22: will the documentary have? I guess you know, with Judy

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Speaker 22: Christie's been working with that team for many months, so

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Speaker 22: there will be things there that haven't come to the

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Speaker 22: public forefront as of this point. In terms of what

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Speaker 22: was happening in the lead up to Tom Phillips's ultimately

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Speaker 22: that fatal shootout.

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Speaker 2: Shane always good to talk to you mate. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your time. Shane Curry, the Herald's editor

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Speaker 2: at large, also writes Media Inside of twenty Away from

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Speaker 2: six The Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty a name you can

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Speaker 1: trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: Huddle this evening. David farre of Kiwi Blog and Curie

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Speaker 2: at the Polling Company, and Gareth Hughes, director of the

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Speaker 2: Well Being Economy Alliance ALCA and former Green MP. Hello

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Speaker 2: you two.

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Speaker 21: Hello, you got a call to it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, David, I don't love it? What about you?

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Speaker 15: I can understand why the police at the time thought

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Speaker 15: it was a good idea. This was a story of

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Speaker 15: global interests being stories all about it because it was

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Speaker 15: about like a guy hiding in the bush for not weeks,

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Speaker 15: but months, but years with his kids. But the story

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Speaker 15: moved on, it became darker. The kids were helping the

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Speaker 15: father do criminal acts. There's the suppressed stuff that ended

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Speaker 15: in a shooting.

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Speaker 14: So what will I think quite a.

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Speaker 15: Defensible idea at the time, which is there's global interest

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Speaker 15: in this, there's a chance for the police to to

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Speaker 15: look good, was quite defensible but the way it went

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Speaker 15: in the last couple of years, certainly if I was there,

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Speaker 15: I would have been saying, lot, could we just drop

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Speaker 15: this because this isn't now something you really want to

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Speaker 15: be making a film about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree with him. What do you think, Gareth?

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Speaker 20: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: I agree with David. I mean the police haven't really

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Speaker 21: been upfront, like, where's the public interest in this? How

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Speaker 21: the kids interest being so by this? Is there a

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Speaker 21: risk that this just turns into a bit of a

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Speaker 21: folk hero story where Frank and not a particularly great guy,

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Speaker 21: has put on a bit of a pedestal internationally and

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Speaker 21: then Shanera is a really interesting point. Is this simply

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Speaker 21: going to be a pr exercise where the police are

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Speaker 21: vetting and basically getting what they want off the narrative

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Speaker 21: out on the record. So look, I enjoyed the White

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Speaker 21: Islands Netflix documentary. I thought that was pretty well done.

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Speaker 21: But you know, given the subject matter and the kids involved,

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Speaker 21: I'm not entirely sure this will be the same case.

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Speaker 2: What do you make just talking about the Search Charge band,

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Speaker 2: which has been We've been covering this for a few

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Speaker 2: months on the show, David, what do you make of

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Speaker 2: labor coming to save the thing at the last minute.

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Speaker 15: Oh, I hadn't tacked up on that. But if they are,

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Speaker 15: I'm glad because I actually do think this is something

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Speaker 15: you need and the reason for and I've got a

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Speaker 15: background calcom industry. They used to have these mobile termination

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Speaker 15: rates where they would charge you outrageous fees to each

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Speaker 15: other and the actual cost is close to zero. Now

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Speaker 15: all these searchs h are crap because the reason they're

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Speaker 15: crap is a thousand dollars transaction cos the people providing

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Speaker 15: the electronics the same as a one cent transaction. So

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Speaker 15: there's no economic rationale to be charging two or three

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Speaker 15: percent of the transaction cough. And what I liked about

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Speaker 15: the proposed band we'll see if it happened, is it

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Speaker 15: will pot downwards pressure on the f poss people to

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Speaker 15: actually have more reasonable charges when you can just pass

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Speaker 15: them on. Yeah, of course you can't keep them at

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Speaker 15: three percent away be.

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Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, David, as soon as you understand the stuff.

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Speaker 2: What Arena Williams from Laborer is saying is she would

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Speaker 2: support it. But as long as it's not the retailers

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Speaker 2: who are wearing the cost, but the banks that wear

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Speaker 2: the cost themselves. Is that possible.

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Speaker 15: Ah, doubt it no, because you can't legislate to make

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Speaker 15: someone else responsible for beata fae. I mean basically, what

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Speaker 15: Arena seems to be saying is you have to do

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Speaker 15: it for free, and that's not going to work either,

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Speaker 15: So that's the compromise. I think the conclusion then this

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Speaker 15: is dead in the water because they didn't use someone first.

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Speaker 15: They clearly are not keing for it.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of it, Gareth.

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Speaker 21: Well, I haven't seen the news that Labor is supporting,

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Speaker 21: because the best advice I think every politician gets his

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Speaker 21: first learned account when you're doing something like this. And

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Speaker 21: it looked like a really messy situation where the minister

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Speaker 21: thought his bill was still alive, but his coalition partners,

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Speaker 21: who depended on the votes, weren't supporting it. So if

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Speaker 21: Lavor's writing to the rescue, it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 21: the final outcome. I disagree with David. I think the

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Speaker 21: best thing to do is not put the burden or

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Speaker 21: the onus on the retailers, and that's why retail wind

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Speaker 21: Zeta has come out so strongly against it. It's to

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Speaker 21: put it on the bank. They bank it because of

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Speaker 21: you know, they act in the public interest. They have

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Speaker 21: a special privileged position in our economic system and we

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Speaker 21: have regulations that apply to them, so that would be

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Speaker 21: the way to do it. I think for the government,

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Speaker 21: right the pressure there is that they've done so little

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Speaker 21: of the actual cost of living that resorted to things

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Speaker 21: like this that would have just flowing through the consumers

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Speaker 21: wouldn't have actually saved anyone any money. The banks made

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Speaker 21: seven point two billion dollars in record profits last year.

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Speaker 21: I think they could take a little bit of a shave.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. Come back shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only

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Speaker 1: truly global brand.

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Speaker 2: Right you back of the huddle got David Farrer and

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Speaker 2: Gareth Hughes. Gareth, do you think it was a tough one?

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Speaker 2: Do you think we should keep or throw out the

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Speaker 2: six year old boy from South Africa with Down syndrome?

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Speaker 21: Oh, it's a very sad one. I think it's quite

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Speaker 21: unfair for this family. I understand the parents, sister. The

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Speaker 21: parents are in New Zealand from South Africa. At the moment,

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Speaker 21: the Minister hasn't given them an explanation why this child

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Speaker 21: can't stay in New Zealand any longer. It seems to

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Speaker 21: go back to a decision that was made a wee

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Speaker 21: while ago to change the rules around learning disorders, and

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Speaker 21: also not actually needing to give people an explanation. I

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Speaker 21: just don't think that's one all fair. You know, this

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Speaker 21: is a huge life choice, a huge choice that's impacting

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Speaker 21: the life of this family by the minister, Minister Pink

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Speaker 21: and I think the least it could do is be

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Speaker 21: upfront and say why he's doing it.

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Speaker 3: David.

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Speaker 15: On a personal level, it's a horrible thing because no

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Speaker 15: family wants to be facing this.

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Speaker 14: But where I think we need to.

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Speaker 15: Be clear is people are Down syndrome. It's huge value

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Speaker 15: as individual human beings. But the right to residency in

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Speaker 15: New Zealand is not a right. It's a privilege and

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Speaker 15: it's harsh. But as an economic test, it's why we

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Speaker 15: don't let every person in the world ine. We look

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Speaker 15: at how much income are you likely to earn your education,

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Speaker 15: et cetera, et cetera, so we have controlled immigration. And

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Speaker 15: the said reality is only three percent of people's Down

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Speaker 15: syndrome end up in full time employment, so it's not

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Speaker 15: actually just the Minister's decision that immigration law basically says

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Speaker 15: that if you're likely to never end up working in

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Speaker 15: New zell and then you go to cost quite a

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Speaker 15: lot on education, health, you do not qualify. Now the

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Speaker 15: minute that hasn't overruled that, but that is what the

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Speaker 15: law is. So it's horrible for the family. But they

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Speaker 15: would have known when they moved to New Zealand what

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Speaker 15: the immigration law was and that this was a very

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Speaker 15: significant rush.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you location share with anybody? Garrison?

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Speaker 21: Well, actually I do so. I don't want to be

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Speaker 21: a stereotype. But my wife and I were cruising around

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Speaker 21: the wineries and the worded upper and on our electric bikes,

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Speaker 21: and I wanted to keep biking. My wife wanted to

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Speaker 21: go back to the airbnb and on the rural narrow

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Speaker 21: roads were utes driving past. She thought, no, it's probably

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Speaker 21: safe for a b you know where you are in

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Speaker 21: case you come acropper. So yeah, and I've kept it

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Speaker 21: on the whole time. I travel a lot for work.

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Speaker 21: So I'm quite happy knowing, well really happy actually with

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Speaker 21: my partner knowing where I am.

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Speaker 2: David.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, but before I my ex and I had

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Speaker 15: permanent location sharing on it I wasn't to keep track

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Speaker 15: of each other or anything of that. It was simply

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Speaker 15: great logistics. You could see if she'd left home, no winter,

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Speaker 15: start again the dinnery, even tell the kids and we'll

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Speaker 15: be home in five minutes. So very much from a

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Speaker 15: practical point.

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Speaker 3: Of view as great.

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Speaker 15: I also have somebody else who started sharing their location

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Speaker 15: with me seven years ago on a ski truck. We were

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Speaker 15: driving through a repayos and they hadn't take it off,

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Speaker 15: just off, and I keep telling you I can still

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Speaker 15: see your location.

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Speaker 11: She doesn't mind.

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Speaker 15: But quite funny because my kids see my phone and

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Speaker 15: they're like, why didn't you see your location on your phone?

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Speaker 15: And it's just like it's noted off for seven years.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, a hangover from your young days when you were

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Speaker 2: having a party. Hey, listen, can I just ask you

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Speaker 2: guys something. Something has just popped up on Sydney Morning

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Speaker 2: Herald for me, which is that over in Australia they're

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Speaker 2: seeing people are canceling their Easter holiday plans because of

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Speaker 2: the cost of fuel. Gareth, are you think are you

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Speaker 2: rethinking Easter? Were you planning to go anywhere?

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Speaker 11: I am?

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Speaker 21: Actually, because I'm a keen sailor, and we're thinking about

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Speaker 21: hitting if the weather was okay over to the sounds.

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Speaker 21: But I've got two hundred liters of diesel in my

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Speaker 21: boat and that might be like with gold It sometime soon,

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Speaker 21: so maybe I'm thinking of keeping that diesel in the yacht.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, what about you, David?

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, because we've gone eleven day road trip to kate

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Speaker 15: Rieger and back planned that price of petril is going up.

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Speaker 15: Now we have an electric vehicle and a non electric vehicle,

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Speaker 15: a non electric for the longer cuts. But where we

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Speaker 15: have been looking at could we do this in the

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Speaker 15: electric vehicle? Which towns have charges that we could stop at, etc.

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Speaker 15: So we're not going to cancel the road trip, but

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Speaker 15: we're very very worried about what their cost is. Gave

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Speaker 15: to be on two thy two hundred calometers.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, lads, thanks very much. Hey listen, go and

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Speaker 2: have a lovely weekend. Really appreciate your time. That's Gareth

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Speaker 2: Use and David Farrer are huddle this evening ate away

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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Hard Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Heather, is the rumor true that my mobil intend exiting

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. It appears so the I think it was.

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Speaker 2: Was it The Australian See Australian a couple of days

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: ago was running a yarn that ex On Mobile had

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Speaker 2: hired Goldman Sachs to have a look at selling the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand businesses. It's possibly gonna met them about a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. They've got all. They've got about one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty gas stations. They've also got the witty oil

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Speaker 2: service business, which includes an inland terminal in South Auckland

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Speaker 2: connected to the Marsden Point import terminal, a terminal in

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Speaker 2: Mount Monganui in the Bay of Plenty, plus terminals near

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Speaker 2: Wellington christ which in Bluff in the South Island. So

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Speaker 2: there you go. Now, I don't know it's five away

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Speaker 2: from six. This surcharge band thing I have been I've

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Speaker 2: been following it with great interest for the longest time

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Speaker 2: because it always seemed to me politically really stupid, right

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Speaker 2: because because from the consumer's point of view, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: want to you want to go pay with your credit

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Speaker 2: card on your phone as you don't want to pay

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Speaker 2: a searcharge. But there are all of these retailers being

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Speaker 2: forced to absorb the costs of that now, and and

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Speaker 2: I thought, for why is the Why are the NATS

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Speaker 2: doing this? Why are they forcing retailers to absorb this cost?

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Speaker 2: These are their very voters. You would think small to

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Speaker 2: medium sized business owners would be the ones voting for

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Speaker 2: the NATS who wouldn't want to absorb it anyway. So

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Speaker 2: then I thought, Okay, here we go. Actor has given

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Speaker 2: them the opportunity to kill it off, but no, Scott

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Speaker 2: Simpson is still going for it, helpful leather, looking for

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Speaker 2: ways to make it work. I thought, why is that?

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Speaker 2: Talk to somebody. They said, oh, have a look on Facebook.

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Speaker 23: I'm sick of paying extra at the checkout. But good news,

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Speaker 23: we're banning surcharges that extra cost on top of your

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Speaker 23: bill at the checkout. This is about fairness and transparency.

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Speaker 23: No more getting stung for simply paying with your card.

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Speaker 23: What you see on the price tag should be what

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Speaker 23: you pay.

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Speaker 2: Because they've been doing that, they have been doing so

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Speaker 2: much social media on it. They have been going hell

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Speaker 2: for leather, going completely cooky on the social media, being

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Speaker 2: like where the party of consumer is, We're going to

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Speaker 2: take this away from you now. It's kind of embarrassing

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Speaker 2: if they don't do it. So anyway, watch Scott Simpson

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Speaker 2: try everything to try to make this stupid thing happen here.

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Speaker 2: That should they still be called midwives in this day

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Speaker 2: of inclusion. Paul, you ask a good question, So I went,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know about the etymology of

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Speaker 2: the word midwife, but it comes from Old English. I'm

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: saying this to you like like I like, I just

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Speaker 2: know this. I just googled it for you. Midwife means

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Speaker 2: mid Old English with so with wife woman, So it's

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Speaker 2: not that the wife, but is not a reference to

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01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: the bird who's down there trying to deliver your baby.

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: It's a reference to she who is actually pushing the

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Speaker 2: baby out. So a dude can be a midwife as well,

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Speaker 2: because he's just with the woman, so.

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Speaker 24: That he's not a mid husband.

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Speaker 2: Now, he's not a mid husband because no husband's given birthday,

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Speaker 2: no husband's sitting there. Well, I mean, let's not get

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Speaker 2: into into queer stuff, because I mean, we could get

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Speaker 2: deep in that, we could have a conversation about that,

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Speaker 2: but for now, oh lord, now we're gonna to we

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Speaker 2: are gonna have to change the name, an't we mid

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Speaker 2: human mid human. All right, let's deal with Meta next.

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Speaker 1: We're Business who meets Insight the Business Hour with Heather Dupless,

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mads Insurance and Investments, Your futures in good hands,

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Speaker 1: News Talks b.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Sam Dickie is

1418
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: going to run us through the unfolding credit cards saga

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01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: which is flying under the radar. Here a little bit

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Speaker 2: Jamie mckaye and then Ender Brady out of the UK

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to give you the day's numbers and

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Speaker 2: just a ticket seven past six. Now. A massive trial

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Speaker 2: in the US smells a bit of trouble for the

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Speaker 2: social media giants. Meta and Google have been found liable

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Speaker 2: for making addictive products at harm young people. Buy an

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Speaker 2: Ala jury. They've been ordered to pay six million dollars

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Speaker 2: to a woman who says she became addicted to YouTube

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Speaker 2: and Instagram as a child. Doctor Samantha Marsh is a

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Speaker 2: senior public health researcher at University of Auckland with US

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Speaker 2: high Samantha, Hi, do you think this is a big

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Speaker 2: tobacco moment like many commentators are saying it is?

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Speaker 18: Well, ah, yeah, one hundred. You know, they they had

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Speaker 18: an addictive product that was causing harm for many years

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Speaker 18: that you know, they dodged, you know, going to trial

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Speaker 18: for it, and you know, they they hit their day

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Speaker 18: in the nineties. And this is what I think we're

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Speaker 18: seen today. This is a very historic moment for public health.

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Speaker 2: Is it an infliction point because it is just yet

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Speaker 2: another thing that we are starting to see, which I

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Speaker 2: guess absolutely reinforces in our minds. Yes, these are the

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Speaker 2: bad guys, they are bad actors. Or is it is

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Speaker 2: it that this is this case provides a chink in

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Speaker 2: their legal armor and that and it will be used

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Speaker 2: against them in future court cases.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, I think this is what is so

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Speaker 18: important about this is that you know, this is the

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Speaker 18: first time that we're that you know, they've they've actually

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Speaker 18: been taken to court, they've been found liable for their product.

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Speaker 18: Up until an now it's all just thing about you know,

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Speaker 18: what people post on their platforms and they can't be

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Speaker 18: held responsible for that. But this kind of changes everything

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01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 18: because we you know, what has come out of this

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Speaker 18: is that these companies knew that they were, you know,

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Speaker 18: designing a product to be addicted. They were doing that

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 18: on purpose. They knew it was addictive and they went

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Speaker 18: ahead and did it anyway, and then they promoted it

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Speaker 18: to children.

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Speaker 2: But so what I mean, so here's the devil's advocates.

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Speaker 2: So what ten million New Zealand dollars pay out to

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Speaker 2: this woman is nothing. These guys are squillionaires. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: even touch the sides.

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Speaker 18: So this was actually the second case of the week.

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Speaker 18: So the day before in New Mexico, Meta was ordered

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Speaker 18: to pay three hundred and seventy five million dollars and

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Speaker 18: a separate lawsuit. Which is it. You know, it's quite

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Speaker 18: a sizeable amount of money. And that was because they

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Speaker 18: misled consumers about the safety of their platform, you know,

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Speaker 18: knowing the harming kids mental health and concealing child exploitation

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Speaker 18: on their platforms. But I think, you know, this is

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Speaker 18: just the first case of many cases. You know, it

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Speaker 18: was it's a Bellweather case. So there's thousands of cases

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Speaker 18: waiting the wings now to you know. And and what

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Speaker 18: I think we really hope is this is going to

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Speaker 18: make the companies actually change their product, you know, make

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Speaker 18: meaningful changes to their platform.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so if we use the big tobacco analogy,

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Speaker 2: then it's like asking it's like asking to big tobacco

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Speaker 2: to make the cities less addictive. They don't do that,

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Speaker 2: So is me to actually going to do that or

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Speaker 2: they will simply adapt and hide it.

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Speaker 18: Well, I think this is exactly the problem. And that's

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Speaker 18: why when you know, people are saying where we should

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Speaker 18: continue to let young children or you know, thirteen year

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Speaker 18: olds or whatever access these platforms, We're just going to

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Speaker 18: make them safer. And it's like, well, are they going

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Speaker 18: to make you know? You can, as I've always say,

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Speaker 18: you can go and get cigarettes. They're addictive and they

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Speaker 18: can kill you. You can still buy them because it's

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Speaker 18: you know, it's a very profitable product. And so I

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Speaker 18: don't think that they will make meaningful changes to their

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Speaker 18: platforms because it's not just about the algorithm. It's not

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Speaker 18: just about content or predators, you know, it's the whole

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Speaker 18: way the product is designed, that is social media media.

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Speaker 18: So if you change it to make it, you know,

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Speaker 18: not harmful to young people, it's not a profitable product anymore,

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01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 18: which is why you know, one of the things is

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Speaker 18: we need age restrictions now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Messa's share price went up today on the

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Speaker 2: back of it. So did Alphabets, which is the parent

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Speaker 2: company of Google. How do we explain that.

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Speaker 18: I can't explain that. I'm not that's not my area.

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Speaker 18: I'm sorry, I can't, you know, I don't. I can't

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Speaker 18: explain why.

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Speaker 2: Because with the logical thing, I mean, no, fair enough,

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Speaker 2: it's not your era. But the logical thing is the

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: shareholders looked at it that they thought, oh, that's not

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Speaker 2: that bad that court ruling. Maybe they're just judging it

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Speaker 2: on the damages, the payout and they've just gone no problem,

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Speaker 2: and they've actually put more.

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Speaker 18: Back in the business, perhaps because it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 18: for that single case. But you know, they won the

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Speaker 18: day before. And you know, I don't know how quick

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Speaker 18: the market would respond to this, but I see it

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Speaker 18: as a huge as a huge thing. And you know,

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Speaker 18: we had TikTok and Snap who owns Snapchat. They didn't

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Speaker 18: even go to trial because they know, we assume that

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Speaker 18: they thought that they they didn't want the stuff to

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Speaker 18: come out that has come out in these trials, and

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Speaker 18: you know, some of the stuff that has come out

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Speaker 18: has been so damning, even to people like me who

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Speaker 18: have been very vocal, you know, very vocal critic of

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Speaker 18: these companies. I've been shocked by what they've said. That

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Speaker 18: they've been doing.

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Speaker 2: Now, samith that if we accept that this is the

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Speaker 2: big Tobacco moment, how does it go from here? What

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Speaker 2: is the thing that makes it that takes us to

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Speaker 2: the big takes big tech to where big tobacco is today.

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Speaker 18: Well, I mean, as I said, I'd like to see

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Speaker 18: them make manyful changes to their products, but I think

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Speaker 18: the most important thing would be a fundamental shift really

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Speaker 18: in how society is approaching new technologies that are you know,

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Speaker 18: consumer technologies, you know, thinking about AI now that's coming out,

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Speaker 18: particularly those technologies that we're giving kids because they you know,

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Speaker 18: the burden of proof has got to shift. And that's

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Speaker 18: what I would hope would come out of this, because

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Speaker 18: these companies should be required to demonstrate safety for their

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Speaker 18: products before their products reach young children years later in

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Speaker 18: a court room like you know, it has just played out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you, Samantha. Appreciate your time and your

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Speaker 2: expertise at Doctor Samantha Marsh, Senior public health researcher at

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Speaker 2: the University of Auckland. And on that subject, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is yet another if you're looking for for parallels

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Speaker 2: between the big tech and the big tobacco story, an

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 2: example it's just the mounting attitude, the attitude and all

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Speaker 2: shift away from supporting big tech. In the case, UK's

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Speaker 2: provided another case of it. So what's happened over there

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Speaker 2: is Kiyo Starmer. They've obviously had the same debate that

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Speaker 2: we've had apropos. What's happened in Australia should we ban

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Speaker 2: our kids from using social media under the age of

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Speaker 2: sixteen or whatever? Had the same discussion in the UK.

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Speaker 2: Kio Starmer, because he's literally lived in a bit of

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Speaker 2: a wet fish, he decided, now we're not going to

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Speaker 2: do that, not going to have an outright band, send

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Speaker 2: it instead to public consultation and the public can decide.

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Speaker 2: House The Lord's has now put a spanner in that

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Speaker 2: idea for him, has rejected his public consultation idea, has

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Speaker 2: voted by an overwhelming majority to amend an existing bill

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Speaker 2: which requires a band to be implemented within a year.

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Speaker 2: There you go, and we'll talk to Indebrady out of

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Speaker 2: the UK before the end of the program. Right, I've

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Speaker 2: got the numbers for you right now, So ends it

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Speaker 2: X fifty is up zero point three percent today. You

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Speaker 2: can describe that as pretty flat. ASEX fifty also pretty flat,

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Speaker 2: only up zero point zero three percent so far. Today,

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Speaker 2: a barrel of Brent crude costs one hundred and four

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Speaker 2: US dollars. That is up nearly nearly two percent. One

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Speaker 2: New Zealand dollar is worth fifty eight US cents, eighty

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Speaker 2: four Australian cents, fifty euro cents, forty three UK pence

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Speaker 2: and ninety three yen fourteen plus six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 2: Fuel price pain shows no signs of going away anytime soon,

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Speaker 2: does it. And that's proving tough for every KEYWI out

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Speaker 2: there right now, whether it's the school run or getting

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Speaker 2: to work or running a business that depends on fuel,

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Speaker 2: Every single cent counts. And that's why you're gonna like

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Speaker 2: and has got eighty years behind them. They have skin

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Speaker 2: in the game three generations on. They're still focused on

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Speaker 2: one very easy idea, which is keeping fuel fairer for

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Speaker 2: all they can to keep fuel prices low for you.

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Speaker 2: And they're not just there for commuters. They fuel thousands

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Speaker 2: of Kiwi businesses as well, from trades and farmers to

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Speaker 2: ports and construction crews, helping keep the country moving when

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Speaker 2: global conflict is pushing those fuel prices up. How good

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Speaker 2: is it to know that there's a Kiwi company working

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Speaker 2: hard to keep the prices fairer for you? So next

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Speaker 2: time you fill up, think why toalmre same fuel, better price,

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Speaker 3: The Rural Report on Heather duper Celan Drive Heather.

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Speaker 2: People are addicted to Cigey's because they like them, and

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: people are addicted to Facebook because they like it. So

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: are they saying that Facebook et cetera would need to

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 2: change their products so people don't like it quite so much?

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: Exactly right, and that's why, as you say, Phil, it's silly,

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 2: they're not going to do it. Eighteen past six. Jamie

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Speaker 2: Mackay Hosts of the Countries with us Alo Jamie Good,

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Speaker 2: you're on the road again. Where you're going now?

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01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 20: Yeah? I know of a life of a traveling salesmen.

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 20: I'm on the way down to Southland. They're the old

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 20: home patch of Riversdale to Glenary Station, one of the

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01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 20: most beautiful farms in New Zealand, and it's the venue

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,839
Speaker 20: tomorrow for the High Country of Federated Farmers High Country

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Speaker 20: Field Day. But they've got a whole lot of politicians.

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01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 20: And I'm a bit betwixt and between on this one

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01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 20: here because I just did a wee head count and

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 20: there's eleven of them turning up. Now. While it's great

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 20: to have politicians turning up to Federated Farmers field Days

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01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 20: and mixing and getting the story from rural New Zealand,

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 20: that's one part of the argument. The Scottish part of

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 20: my nature would suggest, do we need to spend money

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 20: sending the whole lot.

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Speaker 15: Of them down?

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01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 20: You know, I don't know Andrew Hogard, Mark Patterson, their

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01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 20: Minister's Penny Simmons, Joseph Mooney, local MPs give them a past,

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 20: Mark Joe Luxton's Labour's agriculture spokesperson. But there's four or

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01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 20: five others who haven't got specific rural.

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Speaker 2: Let's judge them. Let's judge them.

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Speaker 4: Go.

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Speaker 20: Well, no, I'm not going to name and shame here

1623
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 20: because the.

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Speaker 2: Shaming I'm going to tell you whether it's warranted that

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01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: they're there or not.

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Speaker 20: Well, you want me to name them gone? Then well

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Speaker 20: I feel a bit guilty. Now what's that, Heather.

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 2: We're in the business of sharing information, not withholding information.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but not All.

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Speaker 20: Shows are as hard edged as yours. The only soft

1631
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 20: thing about you is your teeth. Here I am more

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Speaker 20: understanding and compassionate.

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Speaker 2: Let me start the list off. Let me guess Catherine

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Speaker 2: Wedder is there?

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Speaker 20: Yes, he is gone?

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Speaker 2: Then who else?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 2: Don't leave Catherine by herself. That's not fair, but.

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01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 20: Well I won't. Well, catherinees are Hawks Bay MP, Mike

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01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 20: Butterick's there? A Wira Rapper MP, James Meagher, he's the

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Speaker 20: South Island or the Minister of the South Island Deborah

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Speaker 20: Russell Labor.

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Speaker 2: M what's she doing there?

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Speaker 20: Well, I don't know. I'll ask her tomorrow. Pre answer

1645
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Speaker 20: rather a Krishnan Labor MP. I've never heard of. I

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Speaker 20: apologized Joe Luxton. I mean, Joe was the spokesperson, the

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Speaker 20: interesting one who isn't there And I'm surprised he's not

1648
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Speaker 20: because he loves nothing more than getting off peace on

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Speaker 20: his trail bike and blatting all over the country claiming

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Speaker 20: he's saving petrol my old mate Damien O'Connor, who is

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Speaker 20: of course Labour's trade spokesperson. No sign of the Greens

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Speaker 20: or to party Maori ether.

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Speaker 6: So what is that.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean apart from apart from Priantha and

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Speaker 2: Deborah Russell, I think they're probably all legit to be there.

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Speaker 20: But what I didn't want to pick on the labor

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Speaker 20: ones because there was lots of nuts there as well. Look,

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Speaker 20: I absolutely endorsed them being there. But we are hearing

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01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 20: from the pulport of truth on a daily basis how

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01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 20: we need to economize and save money. It's long been

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01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 20: a bugbear of mine, but politicians will literally jump on

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Speaker 20: a plane to fly to the other end of the

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Speaker 20: country to open or to Cutler reve Seriously, I think

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Speaker 20: the question I say this to people on the radio industry,

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Speaker 20: if it was your own company and you were paying,

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Speaker 20: what'd you make the trip? That's the litmus test for.

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Speaker 2: You too, right, Jamie Well said Jamie mckaye, hosts The Country.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why there are so many nat MP's there.

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: Reason being unfortunately for the NATS. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 2: kind of bad for the NETS because I don't think

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Speaker 2: they can cut a break. But they're getting their lunch

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Speaker 2: cut for them in the rural in the farming sector, dow,

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Speaker 2: haven't they like farmers are being chased hard by New

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Speaker 2: Zealand First and ACT. And it was ACT last time.

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Speaker 2: In this time, I think it's probably New Zealand First

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Speaker 2: that probably appeals to them more than the Gnats, don't

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Speaker 2: you think, especially after the Nats did the thing the

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Speaker 2: other day? What was the thing that they are live

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Speaker 2: Export band?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, that was it is everyon We're going to get Winston.

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Speaker 24: Peter's doing more videos revolving around Rodeo's.

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Speaker 25: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I just think Winston on anything like a tractor or

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Speaker 2: a horse or I'm there for that Ora yep.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's macro micro or just play economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Dupicila and

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Speaker 1: Mas Insurance and Investments.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands, us dogs Vy.

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Speaker 2: Heather Winston seated and a Greyhound powered dog cart. Well

1690
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: you can dream six twenty five. Now I'm really interested

1691
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Speaker 2: in this director from Health New Zealand about a health

1692
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: about AI. A Health New Zealand senior manager in Rohoderua

1693
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: has banned staff. This memo has come out he's banned Heishi, whoever,

1694
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 2: has banned staff, doctors and nurses and so on from

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 2: using free AI tools like chat, GPT and Gemini to

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Speaker 2: write their clinical notes. I'd like to know more about this.

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: This is this is a that I looked at and thought, hmm,

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Speaker 2: I would actually like another little strategical leak on this

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Speaker 2: one so I can understand this a little bit more,

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Speaker 2: because on the face of it, I look at it,

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01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 2: I go, why are you stopping your clinicians from using

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: something that would make them more productive? And we constantly

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01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: hear about this, don't we that these guys are slammed

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: in ed, that's slammed wherever they are in the hospital,

1705
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: whatever part of the hospital, a part of health they work,

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01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: They're completely slammed. And the other day we heard that

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Speaker 2: the new chat GPT tool that they're rolling out in

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01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: Health New Zealand takes like ten minutes off or something

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01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 2: like that. They can see more patients every day. It's wonderful.

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01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: So why would you stop them from using it?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: The obvious question to ask is what are they putting in?

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: Because if it's a free thing, if they're just putting

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01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: in some anonymous stuff like forty one year old male

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Speaker 2: came in with Verico s veins. Who cares. That's fine,

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01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: No one will track the person down based on that.

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01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 2: But if they're then adding in and the person's name

1718
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: is and the date of births and blah blah blah,

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01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: then you've got a problem with the free stuff, because

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01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: nothing on the Internet is free. They'll be those chat

1721
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 2: GPT people were hovering that up and using that information.

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01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: So I'd like to know a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: this because also if you're taking it away from the clinician,

1724
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 2: surely to God you're giving them something else. Because it's

1725
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Everybody needs to use AI. So just

1726
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: waiting for another little leak if they could arrange one,

1727
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: please six twenty six.

1728
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

1729
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: So if you love the movie thirteen going on thirty,

1730
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: you might love this. Who knows it's getting a reboot

1731
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: the original film you remember star Jennifer Garner and Mark Ruffalo,

1732
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: And if you've seen the movie People We Met on Vacation,

1733
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: then you're gonna love this because the director and the

1734
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: star of that movie are reuniting to take on this reboot.

1735
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 2: Emily Bad is going to play Jennifer Garner's role. Brett

1736
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 2: Hayley is going to direct. Now you're wondering who's going

1737
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: to play Mark Ruffalo, They better be good looking. Don't worry.

1738
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 2: They've got Logan Lerman. Kid's good looking. And if you

1739
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: don't know who Logan Lerhman is, don't be too surprised.

1740
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: He has been around for a long time. He played

1741
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 2: Percy Jackson in the original Percy Jackson movies. He was

1742
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 2: in Perks of Being a Wallflower. He's also played the

1743
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: Twin Brothers in last year's Twinless. His star is on

1744
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 2: the rise, so keep an eye out for him. They

1745
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 2: haven't got a release date for it just yet, but

1746
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 2: with this film having a big nostalgia comeback all over

1747
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 2: social media, the studio is likely to make it a

1748
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 2: priority to release it while it's hot. So there you go. Sam,

1749
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: Dicky's with us next on what's going on with all

1750
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: this credit card stuff? Credit the credit saga that's unfolding

1751
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: news talk, said.

1752
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: B Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business

1753
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: Hour with head the dupic Allen.

1754
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 3: And Mass insurance and investments.

1755
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands, used talks ed Bud.

1756
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 18: You're taking me.

1757
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 3: Would you name.

1758
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: Right end Brady is going to be with us in

1759
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: ten minutes time out of the UK. Interesting, Well, I

1760
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: mean I was gonna say it makes it more difficult,

1761
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,879
Speaker 2: like an interesting little thing has made it more difficult

1762
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump to take carg Island. However, I think

1763
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 2: it is probably not an interesting little thing, but quite

1764
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 2: a significant thing. Apparently Iran has been laying traps and

1765
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: mines all over carg Island, especially where the US military

1766
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 2: would likely land if they were to take it over,

1767
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 2: So it's probably quite significant. Twenty four away from seven ever,

1768
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: dup CL the unfolding private credit saga is flying a

1769
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 2: bit under the radar here in New Zealand, but there

1770
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: is a three point five trillion dollar corner of global finance.

1771
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 2: It's showing some growing pains. What does it mean for investors?

1772
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us now, Hi, Sam.

1773
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 3: Good evening.

1774
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with what actually private credit is

1775
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:20,879
Speaker 2: and why it's grown so rapidly.

1776
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 7: At its core, private credit is actually quite vanilla, so

1777
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 7: it's just lending, but it's done by investment funds rather

1778
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 7: than banks. And this came about because after two thousand

1779
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 7: and eight. After the global financial crisis, governments forced banks

1780
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 7: to pull back, and this left a gap, so big,

1781
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 7: long established fund managers like Blackstone or black Rock or

1782
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 7: Apollo stepped in and it really exploded from virtually nothing

1783
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 7: in two thousand and eight to three point five trillion

1784
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 7: dollars today and for a long time it did deliver. So,

1785
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 7: for example, Blackstone's Flagship fund has returned about nine point

1786
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 7: eight percent a year since inception, which is well above ponds.

1787
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: When you say growing pains, what do you mean.

1788
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 7: It's really four things converging at once, and it is

1789
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 7: slightly spicy the timing right now. So first of all,

1790
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 7: with anything that's attractive like that at retractive ten percent

1791
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 7: returns well above bombs, and it's grown rapidly.

1792
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 3: It attracts late entrances.

1793
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 7: So some newer, less experienced operators and lend or lenders

1794
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 7: piled in and made loans they shouldn't have, and two

1795
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 7: major borrowers went bankrupt last year, and as Jamie Diamond

1796
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 7: summed it up, when you see one cockroach, there were

1797
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 7: probably more. The second thing is the rush to open

1798
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 7: this up to retail investors, so individuals who don't always

1799
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 7: understand they're investing in something quite a liquid So they

1800
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 7: invest in these funds, and the funds then lend that

1801
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 7: money out to private companies. But it's not like investing

1802
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 7: in a list of stock. When you lend to a

1803
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 7: private company, you need to be in for the long haul,

1804
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 7: and a lot of sort of Johnny comme lady. Retail

1805
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 7: investors didn't understand that they wanted their money back, and

1806
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 7: they wanted it all at once. Blue Our, which is

1807
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 7: a bit of a poster child for the current private

1808
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 7: credit stresses, blocked retail clients from withdrawing funds, and that

1809
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 7: obviously causes consternation. The third thing is many loans went

1810
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 7: to software companies, and you and I have talked about

1811
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 7: headed that software has been hammered as AI threatens their

1812
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 7: business models.

1813
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 25: And the final thing is.

1814
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 7: People are questioning how these assets or loans get valued.

1815
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 7: There's no daily sort of marked to market price like

1816
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 7: there is for stock. So four things at once, and

1817
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 7: it's causing a little bit of consternation.

1818
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see why. Okay, so what does it

1819
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 2: mean for investors?

1820
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 6: Then?

1821
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 7: Well, the first thing is it's not a GFC Mark two,

1822
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 7: so private credit risk sits with asset managers, not banks,

1823
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 7: and they are far, far less leveraged than the banks.

1824
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 7: We're in two thousand and eight. So you know, take

1825
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 7: Goldman Sacks and Jamie Morgan's word for it. This is

1826
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 7: a porn of stress, but it's not a systemic crisis.

1827
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 7: It's really been called a healthy reset. And when you

1828
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 7: have a new asset class, it hasn't yet been through

1829
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 7: the ringer, it hasn't been through a cycle, a cleansing

1830
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 7: event whereby you get rid of some week operators, so

1831
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 7: some week lenders and some week retail investors. It's a

1832
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 7: good thing. And the second thing is if you are

1833
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 7: invested in private credit, remember what it is at its core,

1834
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 7: which is just people with money lending to those who don't.

1835
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 7: But by passing the banks and done well, it plays

1836
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 7: a critical role in the economy. So here at Fisher Funds,

1837
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 7: for example, we do selective private credit and we funded

1838
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 7: the construction of the car Waker Hospital campus and Hastings

1839
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 7: for example. And that's private credit at its best, and

1840
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 7: the Wall Street growing pains won't change those fundamentals.

1841
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey, Sam, thank you for running us through. I

1842
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll talk to you aw Week's Times, it's

1843
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: Sam Dickey Aficial Funds. Now a text has come through.

1844
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: Somebody's getting in real early for Mike, as in Mike Hosking.

1845
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 2: Then this does sometimes happen where somebody where people sometimes

1846
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: send texts in sort of like twelve hours before he's

1847
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 2: on air, hoping that he sees.

1848
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 24: Four great shows you can tune into between now and then.

1849
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 24: And I'm not even including our one which isn't finished.

1850
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 2: You know absolutely. My rule, my general life rule, would

1851
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: be if you're texting, text the person who's on air

1852
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: at the moment, because they're going to see it. But

1853
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: and lucky for you, you've gone high Mike, and I've gone, well,

1854
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm here, so let's address it. So let's do it high, Mike.

1855
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 2: I have a question regarding the fuel price. We are farmers.

1856
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 2: We are now paying more for diesel than ever before

1857
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 2: and still paying road user charges. Yet the low income

1858
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: stay at home families are getting a subsidiary income. This

1859
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: will be the Nicola willis money to see other day.

1860
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: What is this government trying to achieve pleasing the votes

1861
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: or doing a labor government and looking after the bums

1862
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 2: of New Zealand? Interesting? So reading it like, there's one

1863
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 2: way of reading that text, which is I'm a farmer,

1864
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 2: why aren't I getting any money? So let's assume that

1865
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 2: that is what is going on here. Let me refer

1866
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: you to Bryce Wilkinson's excellent piece which was in the

1867
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: Herald today. He makes the point that the government has

1868
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 2: to resist that kind of thing, which is basically pleased

1869
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: to make life easier during the fuel crisis. The points

1870
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: he made. The point he makes is that we have

1871
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 2: been here before with the two oil shocks of the

1872
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. Both cases, the politicians were not stupid, he says,

1873
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 2: they were intelligent and able, and yet they made mistakes

1874
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 2: that the current crop of MPs have to avoid. And

1875
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: the mistakes were that they gave in and they decided

1876
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: to start protecting households with price controls, start spending bag

1877
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 2: on projects that become white elephants. I mean, think the

1878
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: aling terminal here, borrow heavily to pay for things, Think

1879
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: the cost of living payment, he says, the pressure to

1880
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: cut fuel taxes. And before I finish that thought, actually

1881
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: look at what happened at the end of the nineteen

1882
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: seventies and what the Fourth Labor government had to do.

1883
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 2: Because of all those decisions that were taken during the

1884
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: fuel crisis. He says, the pressure to cut fuel taxes,

1885
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: cap pump prices, and subsidized transport operators will be intense, immediate,

1886
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: and humanly understandable. It needs to be resisted. The higher

1887
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: prices are an incentive to do things differently. Thus far,

1888
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: the government has commendably resistant price regulation and subsidies. It's

1889
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 2: targeted income realie for the most vulnerable without thwarting price

1890
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: signals is better. Another risk is on the investment side.

1891
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: At one hundred dollars plus for a barrel of oil,

1892
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 2: there will be pressure on the government to commit tax

1893
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 2: payer money to specific oil replacing projects, brackets electric vehicles.

1894
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: That pressure is dangerous. Future prices for oil today suggest

1895
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 2: it will be eighty six dollars in six months, Yet

1896
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: Goldman Sachs thought sixty dollars was a reasonable twenty twenty

1897
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 2: six average just a few weeks ago. Any major public

1898
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: investment premise on sustained high future prices is risky. Where possible,

1899
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: private capital, not taxpayers funds, should make those risky bets.

1900
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 6: Here.

1901
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 2: Here's hoping that answers your question about where the help

1902
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 2: is coming for Farmers seventeen away from seven.

1903
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 3: Ever, it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1904
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 3: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and.

1905
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: Mas Insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands, us

1906
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

1907
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Hey, you may recall I told you, Oh gosh, I

1908
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 2: think it might have only been two weeks ago, maybe

1909
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 2: slightly more. That stuff was in a bit of a

1910
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: pickle because Troy Balker had bought the old premises the

1911
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: the printing plant in Potoni and was going to kick

1912
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: him out mid next year. Well they've come up with

1913
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: a plan the shifting production to christ Church, so they're

1914
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 2: going to buy the looks of things be printing the

1915
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,799
Speaker 2: newspaper down in christ Church. They say it's not driven

1916
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: by the recent cell of the Patoni site fourteen away

1917
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: from seven Inder Brady UK correspondents with us. Hello, Enda,

1918
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Hello Heather, Hello from Prague.

1919
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 25: I'm here for the Ireland soccer match tonight.

1920
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Have you started? Have you started with the party yet?

1921
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 9: Yes?

1922
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 25: Yeah, Look there's ten thousand Irish people here in one

1923
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 25: small town and they've actually got more Irish pubs than Dublin.

1924
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 25: Someone told me last night, which I'm starting to believe.

1925
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, everywhere good in the world has got a bunch

1926
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: of Irish pubs and there, as you well know, now,

1927
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: you're not the only one who's on the move. Starma

1928
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 2: is going to Finland. What's he doing there?

1929
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 25: So this is a big military meeting today of the

1930
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 25: Northern European Nations Joint Expeditionary Force as they call it.

1931
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 25: It's a summit. It's in Helsinki. Starmer has gone there

1932
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 25: and basically they're beefing up security in the north of Europe,

1933
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 25: all eyes on Russia. And from what I'm hearing, the

1934
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 25: UK military has been wargaming a situation where troops actually

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Speaker 25: land on Russian oil vessels and take control of Putin's

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Speaker 25: shadow fleet. And there's enough of them going through the Channel.

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Speaker 3: It can be done.

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Speaker 25: It can be done very quickly. But they've been wargaming

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Speaker 25: scenarios where they deal with armed crew and I think

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Speaker 25: that is something that we'll hear a lot more of

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Speaker 25: in the next twenty four hours once Starmer is out

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Speaker 25: of Finland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, did William and Kate go along to see

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Speaker 2: the first Lady Archbishop of Canterbury.

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Speaker 25: Yes they did so. A huge day, a wonderful day

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Speaker 25: of history. Really, fifteen hundred years there has not been

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Speaker 25: a female Archbishop of Canterbury. Step forward, Sarah Molally, it

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Speaker 25: is now her role. There's been one hundred and six

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Speaker 25: men before her, and she becomes the first woman. And

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Speaker 25: William and Kate were there in the congregation. And I

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Speaker 25: think as the years progress, we'll start hearing more conversations

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Speaker 25: about William's faith because when he eventually becomes king, he

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Speaker 25: will all so be defender of the faith. And we

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Speaker 25: don't know very much about him's faith because he keeps

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Speaker 25: it quite private.

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Speaker 2: What do we expect him once he's king to start

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Speaker 2: talking about it.

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Speaker 25: Look, I think it's the obvious thing to happen, that,

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Speaker 25: you know, if he thing is as his late grandmother did.

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Speaker 25: I think we need to hear more about what he

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Speaker 25: thinks about faith in God and how he lives it.

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Speaker 25: But for now it's not even a topic of conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now, why are they running London Marathon over

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Speaker 2: two days? And I'm assuming you're going to do it?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I'll do both next to next year and without

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Speaker 25: being arrogant. My little sister is mentally disabled and my

1967
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Speaker 25: mother is a cancer survivor, so I'll do one for

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Speaker 25: one charity and I'll do the next for a mentally

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Speaker 25: disabled adult's charity. And they had a million people applied

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Speaker 25: this year to run the London Marathon. There are only

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Speaker 25: fifty thousand places and I'm delighted they're doing this. But

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Speaker 25: what they're looking at April next year, they are looking

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Speaker 25: at having a London Marria on the Saturday and a

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Speaker 25: London Marathon on the Sunday. So it gives people a

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Speaker 25: much better chance of actually saying that, yes, I've run

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Speaker 25: the London Marathon. It's an amazing day. I mean, an

1977
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Speaker 25: absolutely truly amazing day. Over the years they've now raised

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Speaker 25: north of two billion en Z dollars for charitable causes. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Oh good on you now listen, what is it? Fourteen

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Speaker 2: housands we'll kick off? Is that how much?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: It is?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, Look, it's amazing. There's ten thousand, ten thousand Irish

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Speaker 25: people here and I don't think I've ever been on

1985
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Speaker 25: radio or TV as much. I had as many selfies.

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Speaker 25: It's brilliant. It's so much fun. Go let's set's see

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Speaker 25: what the day holds.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy yourself in and be responsible obviously. In the Brady

1989
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Speaker 2: UK correspondent. Lord have started a thing.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Keith, Yes, that's me today. Can you please tell that

1992
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Speaker 2: guy that help is coming to the farmers in the

1993
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Speaker 2: form of a Fontierra payment record, commodity prices, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: All well deserved, but subsidizing their costs in a temporary blowout. Nope, Sandra,

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Speaker 2: good point from you. Mike ten two.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tips See Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by newstalk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm fascinated by him? I am

1999
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Speaker 2: fascinated by how all the climate stuff is getting real

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Speaker 2: at the minute. So I don't know if you've kept

2001
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 2: an eye on what's going on with the old North

2002
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 2: Sea and the UK and the drilling, but this thing

2003
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,759
Speaker 2: is starting to get really weird and pointy for the government.

2004
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Speaker 2: It's entirely predictable. What happened is at the time that

2005
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: everybody was flush and we didn't have to worry about things,

2006
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: and we had we had all enough oil and we

2007
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 2: had enough gas, and we had a good time. Think

2008
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 2: around about the time of sort of just cinder etel

2009
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: canceling the oil and gas exploration for us and just

2010
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 2: completely stuffing that for it for New Zealand, the UK

2011
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 2: was kind of esch doing similar things. And what they

2012
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: did was that they decided that they were no longer

2013
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 2: going to drill in the North Sea. Now obviously since that,

2014
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Speaker 2: and that was because climate climate climate climate, climate climate,

2015
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 2: and what's happened since then, of course, as things have

2016
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 2: gone completely tits up and they're reliant on gas from Ukraine,

2017
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, coming through from Russia and stuff, and that's

2018
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 2: obviously not happening because of Ukraine. And now you've got

2019
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 2: the situation going on in Iran and stuff, and so

2020
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 2: there is now pressure on and gas prices have gone

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01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 2: up and fuel prices are going up, and so there's

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Speaker 2: pressure on the UK government to go in and start

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01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: drilling in the North Sea again. And they've got two

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01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: places where they have known fossil fuel fields right if

2025
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 2: they go in, they will be able to get stuff out.

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Speaker 2: It's Rosebank and Jackdaw. But Kiostarmer won't drill. He won't

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Speaker 2: go He won't say yep, we're gonna Things are going

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Speaker 2: badly for us, the economies and tatters like everything is

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01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 2: going tit's up. We're going to go in and drill,

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Speaker 2: he said, it's the Energy Secretary's decision, which is ed Milliband,

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Speaker 2: which is the chap that has recently led up something

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01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 2: of a resistance against Kiirstarmer, which has of course now

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Speaker 2: beg It's got everybody begging the question, well, who's in

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Speaker 2: charge of this whole show? But quite apartment obviously not

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Speaker 2: kaos Starma Kierstarma. Kiirstarma is a unique case of somebody

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Speaker 2: being really, really lily lived in a big job. But

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Speaker 2: I I am fascinated. I remain fascinated, and I don't

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01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,799
Speaker 2: want to overload you with it, with all the examples

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01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 2: I see around the world, but I am fascinated by

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01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 2: how the climate stuff that we tolerated for a long time,

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01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 2: we were like, yes, it's good, We've got to do

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01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 2: that for the climate. How all of a sudden we're like,

2043
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 2: not really tolerating that anymore, not interested in it. Want

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01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 2: you to go in and dig for the old drill

2045
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 2: for the old oil. Yesterday we Playedjohannah Montana and we

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01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 2: have had and Sam Samu's I think starting to get

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01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 2: tired of being the butt of our jokes. He has

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01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 2: sent us an email he said, you all hated me

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Speaker 2: for Hannah Montana. Sam is our producer. By the way,

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Speaker 2: you all hated me for Hannah Montana, but have a

2051
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 2: look at this. Spotify streams for Hannah Montana spiked five

2052
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty percent in the US and three hundred

2053
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 2: and ninety percent globally on March the twenty fourth, two

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Speaker 2: days ago, following the twentieth anniversary. Tracks with the biggest

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Speaker 2: increases included this is the Life, best of both Worlds

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01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 2: and Wherever I Go, which honestly could be the names

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01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 2: of painting or children's books. I have no idea what

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Speaker 2: they're talking about.

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Speaker 24: And sadly, sadly, for Sam, I'm not playing any of

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Speaker 24: those for the end of the show. Today, we're not

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01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 24: doing Hannamontenna two days in a row. Instead, we're doing

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Speaker 24: Dirty Creature by split Ins. Split Ins are adding two

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Speaker 24: extra shows to the Forever ends to a Clearly there's

2064
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 24: been a lot of demands, so there's now going to

2065
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 24: be an extra one in Hamilton. That one's actually gonna

2066
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 24: be the first one of the tour on May the

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01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 24: second at the Claudland's Arena. And then where's the other

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Speaker 24: one they added?

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Speaker 2: Was in christ was in Hamilton?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, there we go Wolf Pacerina and christ Church

2073
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 24: on Monday, May the fourth, And then there's the ones

2074
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Speaker 24: we already knew about, Tearspireina and Wellington for two shows

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Speaker 24: on May sixth and seventh, and too it's Spark Arena

2076
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Speaker 24: in Auckland on May night and tenth. There you go,

2077
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Speaker 24: Maybe we'll do hannam Ontanna tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: No I don't think, No, we won't. No, we have

2079
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Speaker 2: no reason.

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Speaker 24: Well, I mean, if she's going that well on Spotify,

2081
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 24: maybe she'll have cracked the New Zealand chart again and

2082
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 24: we'll just have to we'll have to reflect what the

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01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 24: people are listening to.

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01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 2: It, can I Just because I have in the past

2085
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 2: given you grief for your choice of splite in songs,

2086
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 2: this is much better and it's well done.

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Speaker 24: Well yeah, because I knew for a fact that you

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01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 24: like this one, so I've taken the same cowardly option

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Speaker 24: for today.

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Speaker 11: There you go.

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01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean, just listen to that, Just listen to that

2092
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 2: sharp note going on there. That does sound like a

2093
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 2: mental health crisis, doesn't it supposed to?

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01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 8: Lovely Keys, Lovely Keyes.

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Speaker 2: Lovely Keys. Ye, Lovely Keys. He's still in the band,

2096
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 2: so it'll sound like that on the night, See you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: News Talk Zippy.

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