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Speaker 2: Blacks half back Augustine Fullhu. Happy twenty second to French

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Speaker 2: to one of New Zealand's leading rugby journalists and a

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Speaker 2: regular contributor to Weekend Sport, Liam Napier. Hope you're having

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Speaker 2: a great day mate. Hope you're having a good day too.

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Speaker 2: And the sun is shining where you are. On Jason

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Speaker 2: Pine the show produced by Andy McDonald. We're here talking

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Speaker 2: sport with you until three. A memorable nights in Redcliffe

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Speaker 2: for the Wellington Phoenix last night and the.

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Speaker 3: Whistle goes Wellington Phoenix maker statements.

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Speaker 2: They will remember this one for.

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Speaker 3: A very very long time. No love lost between the teams.

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Speaker 3: But Wellington have matched the fights and the bites of

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Speaker 3: Brisbane and they have come away with a famous three.

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Speaker 2: Points yeair remarkable, rarely down to ten men for more

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Speaker 2: than half the game, the Knicks emerged with a three

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Speaker 2: nierl a league win over Brisbane and the second match

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Speaker 2: of the doubleheader against the same opponent, the Phoenix women

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Speaker 2: scored a dramatic late equalizer to snatch a two to

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Speaker 2: two draw. Going to break it down for you after

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Speaker 2: one o'clock with football analyst Seamus Martin. First up today

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Speaker 2: though the Ashes the fifth and final Test underway very

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Speaker 2: soon in Sydney. A dead rubber in the strictest sense

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Speaker 2: of the word, with the Ashes already secured by the Australians.

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Speaker 2: But we know shortage of desire. I'm sure from both sides.

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Speaker 2: Australia want to make it four to one, England want

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Speaker 2: to square it up or narrow it up to three

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Speaker 2: to two. The game's going to be played out against

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Speaker 2: the backdrop of Usman Kwaja's retirement announcement. Fox Sports commentator

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Speaker 2: Mark Howard standing by the chat to us, keep for

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on the Ashes as well, still grabbing your interest,

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Speaker 2: I feel us though. It should still be quite a

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Speaker 2: good Test match. I just hope it goes to to

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Speaker 2: at least the day. That'll be nice. Other matters around today,

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Speaker 2: the Breakers back home for the first time in a

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Speaker 2: month this afternoon. They take on their traditional Australian National

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Speaker 2: Basketball League rivals, the Perth Wildcats from four point thirty

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Speaker 2: this afternoon Spark Arena coach but Terry Copenan is with

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Speaker 2: us ahead of that one. The Royal Wellington Golf Club,

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Speaker 2: as you may have heard on the last few editions

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport, are hosting the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific

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Speaker 2: Championship in mid February next year. The top young amateur

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Speaker 2: including Vivian lou Our, second best ranked amateur. She's going

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Speaker 2: Darts champion, no real surprise, defending champion Luke Littler becoming

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Speaker 2: sets to one in the final. This morning, Goodness Being

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Speaker 2: will unpack that for you. A lifelong Manchester United fan

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Speaker 2: with his first appearance for the year, including some of

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Speaker 2: his sporting predictions for twenty twenty six Live Sport this

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Speaker 2: afternoon has mentioned day one of the first The fifth

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Speaker 2: Ashes Cricketest underway in less than half an hour. Going

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Speaker 2: to keep tabs on that for you. In the domestic

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Speaker 2: Super Smash Northern against the Vaults at Bay Oval. The

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Speaker 1: The scoop from the track field and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sort Weekend Sport with Jason vine Us

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Speaker 1: Talks NB.

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Speaker 2: The fifth and final Ashes Cricket Test starts shortly at

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Speaker 2: the SCG. Australia won the first three to retain the

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Speaker 2: Ashes before England ended a long long drought in the

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Speaker 4: After five four hundred and sixty eight long days in

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Speaker 4: eighteen five tests, England win a Test match in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah England winning the fourth Test by four wickets to

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Speaker 2: with one game to play, and Osmond Kewaja's Test cricket

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Speaker 2: career will come full circle and ends in Sydney over

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Speaker 2: the next five days. The thirty nine year old Australian

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Speaker 2: the Ashes series. This will be his eighty eighth and

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Speaker 2: One of the faces and voices bringing us the superb

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Speaker 2: TV coverage via Fox Sports and Australia and Effect, the

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Speaker 2: voice you heard calling the England win. They're on the

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Speaker 2: fourth Test, is Mark Howard, who joins us now. Mark,

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Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time. Let's start with Osmond Kawaja.

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Speaker 2: What will his legacy as a Test cricketer for Australia b.

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Speaker 5: The cricket field, off the cricket field.

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Speaker 4: As an ambassador for the game, as a brilliant cricketer

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Speaker 5: Way to a lot of cricketers in this part of

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Speaker 4: He's a great cricketer and he's a great ambassador for

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Speaker 4: Oh my word, he is. And I think he's been

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Speaker 2: And he was dropped a number of times during his career,

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Speaker 4: he only came in because Travis had had COVID.

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Speaker 4: Usman wasn't even in the Test squad at the time

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Speaker 5: So resilience is a word we throw around in sport

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Speaker 4: But I think Usman's demonstrated him any ways on the

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Speaker 4: for the last four years he's been as good as

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Speaker 5: So it's a great credit to him.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the way he speaks his mind off the field,

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Speaker 2: never shy of that. In his press conference yesterday, he

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Speaker 2: certainly didn't leave a lot unsaid. Has he been somewhat

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Speaker 5: Mark Well, some sections of the community may think so.

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Speaker 4: I certainly I don't see that side, Maybe because I

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Speaker 4: But you know, polarizing in this country. You don't need

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Speaker 5: Go hard at you. I don't know why we.

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Speaker 4: Live in a society where people's opinions draw so much

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Speaker 5: That's something I've never really understood. I think it's probably

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Speaker 4: Reflection on our community, to be honest, than it is

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Speaker 2: Osmond Well said. Well said the Fascist Test in Sydney.

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Speaker 2: The Ashes are gone, of course, Australia have them locked up.

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Speaker 2: And how driven is each side going to be Australia

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Speaker 4: Well I was really interested by Andrew McDonald the Australian

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Speaker 4: coaches comments where he said, well, we're not playing for

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Speaker 5: The Ashes in the back pop that was our three tests.

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Speaker 4: We're now playing two Test matches for World Championship, World

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Speaker 4: Test Championship points. So that's the view of the Australians

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Speaker 4: are taking They're like, well, the ashes are done and dusted.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's different motivations for both teams. Australia

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Speaker 4: They're currently sitting on top of the table. It's a

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Speaker 5: Deal with this summer. They've been fantastic, from.

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Speaker 5: It is a lovely group of blokes, so.

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Speaker 4: Credit to them, ardless of what they're doing on pitchs

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Speaker 4: if you read the media, what ramifications does this have

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Speaker 4: on the leadership group? If they go home three two,

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Speaker 4: does that make any difference to where the team is

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Speaker 5: Draws and test cook it anymore, which is fantastic. So

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Speaker 5: I think both are highly motivated.

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Speaker 4: And a little talk of a storm tomorrow and maybe

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Speaker 4: a short storm the next day, but far less rain

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Speaker 5: A Victorian we typically get here in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: I love it. What have you made of the quick

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Speaker 2: find nature of the series. We've had thirteen of the

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Speaker 2: twenty scheduled days. Two of the four tests are finished

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Speaker 2: inside two days. As you say, no draws anymore? How

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Speaker 7: But they are tricky tobout on and you do need

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Speaker 7: some luck for sure.

434
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Speaker 2: And finally from Steve Smith, he was asked about the

435
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Speaker 2: form of Cameron Green, who's been shuffled around the Australian

436
00:22:21,027 --> 00:22:24,227
Speaker 2: middle order throughout the series and with scores of twenty four,

437
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Speaker 2: forty five, not seven, seventeen and nineteen, has scored just

438
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twelve runs in the series in an

439
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Speaker 2: average of eighteen point six. So what are Steve Smith's

440
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Speaker 2: thoughts on Cameron Green and where he is currently in

441
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Speaker 2: the Test landscape.

442
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's a tricky one. We've played on

443
00:22:43,907 --> 00:22:46,747
Speaker 7: some hard surfaces for batting. We've sent two two day games,

444
00:22:48,107 --> 00:22:50,227
Speaker 7: which it's not easy. But he's got himself in on

445
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Speaker 7: a few occasions and probably not gone on with it.

446
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Speaker 7: And that's probably the disappointing part about it is you're

447
00:22:56,547 --> 00:22:59,427
Speaker 7: starting your innings is actually your hardest thing. He's doing

448
00:22:59,467 --> 00:23:02,307
Speaker 7: that pretty well and then just finding a way to

449
00:23:02,347 --> 00:23:05,347
Speaker 7: get out and you know that happens with everyone. You know,

450
00:23:05,347 --> 00:23:07,627
Speaker 7: I've been through the same thing on numerous occasions too.

451
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Speaker 7: But what we know with Cam is he's a quality player.

452
00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:14,427
Speaker 7: He you know, not too long ago, he contributed some

453
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Speaker 7: really valuable runs in the series in the West End.

454
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Speaker 7: He's on some tricky surfaces. I think he was our

455
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Speaker 7: leading run score there batting at three. So yeah, he's

456
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Speaker 7: batted in different spots, which also can't be easy as

457
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Speaker 7: well when you're trying to sort of nail down one

458
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Speaker 7: sort of role I suppose. But yeah, one thing about

459
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Speaker 7: this team is we've sort of always been versatile and

460
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Speaker 7: guys are batted in different spots. He traps gone from

461
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Speaker 7: five to one. Because he's gone from one to five.

462
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Speaker 7: Man's batted three wherever he was going to open. At

463
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Speaker 7: some point I've opened, I've gone to four. You know,

464
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Speaker 7: we're kind of versatile in how we do things. And yeah,

465
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Speaker 7: I mean Greenie hasn't got the runs he's wanted so far,

466
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Speaker 7: but I think he's actually looked quite good at times too,

467
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Speaker 7: So we know he's a bright player. Every time he

468
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Speaker 7: goes back to shield cricket, he smashes it and yeah,

469
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Speaker 7: regardless of what happens right now, we think he's got

470
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Speaker 7: a really bright future.

471
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Speaker 2: So those were the pre game thoughts, or some of

472
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Speaker 2: them of Australian skipper Steve Smith. What about Ben Stokes,

473
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Speaker 2: the England captain who's endured a challenging Ash's series, not

474
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Speaker 2: just him but his entire team and the management staff

475
00:24:24,947 --> 00:24:28,947
Speaker 2: as well. So what will England's approach to the Fifth

476
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Speaker 2: Test be in the mind of Ben Stokes?

477
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Speaker 8: The result this week isn't going to change what happens

478
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Speaker 8: at the end of this game. But for us, this

479
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Speaker 8: is a big game, you know, purely because we're walking

480
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Speaker 8: out there represent in England, you know, the the ushers.

481
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Speaker 8: Unfortunately for us, hasn't gone the way we wanted it to.

482
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Speaker 8: But yeah, we've got one more game in a big series,

483
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Speaker 8: and yeah it's a real big one for us.

484
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Speaker 6: So although we can't get.

485
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Speaker 8: The the thing that we came here for, we've still

486
00:25:02,787 --> 00:25:04,267
Speaker 8: got a chance to got there and winning game cricket

487
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Speaker 8: for England.

488
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Speaker 2: What will the performance of of the team tell being

489
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Speaker 2: Stokes about his team.

490
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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot.

491
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Speaker 8: I think it's you know, coming to the end of

492
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Speaker 8: a you know, a long tour where the series is

493
00:25:18,227 --> 00:25:22,787
Speaker 8: done and you know you've got one game. It's one

494
00:25:22,827 --> 00:25:25,427
Speaker 8: thing that you don't want to see and I don't

495
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Speaker 8: think I will and I don't think it will happen.

496
00:25:27,467 --> 00:25:30,067
Speaker 8: Is just sort of coasting through this game and see

497
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Speaker 8: what happens. This is a huge game for us, as

498
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Speaker 8: I said at the start, because you know we're walking

499
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Speaker 8: out there and playing for England.

500
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Speaker 6: You know it's going to take.

501
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Speaker 8: All eleven of us to go out there and get

502
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Speaker 8: on the right side of the result like we managed

503
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Speaker 8: to do last week. So although we get to go

504
00:25:46,507 --> 00:25:51,027
Speaker 8: home at not an eight or nine days time, you know,

505
00:25:51,147 --> 00:25:54,987
Speaker 8: any thought of that can wait till then it's about

506
00:25:54,987 --> 00:25:56,347
Speaker 8: what we do over the next five days, that's the

507
00:25:56,387 --> 00:26:00,267
Speaker 8: most important thing, and putting absolutely everything that we can

508
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Speaker 8: into the game and giving ourselves the best chance to

509
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Speaker 8: winning the game.

510
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Speaker 2: Given the fact that has been a challenging series England

511
00:26:06,947 --> 00:26:10,507
Speaker 2: and for many of the England players, there's a school

512
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Speaker 2: of thought that there might be some fresh blood introduced

513
00:26:13,827 --> 00:26:16,467
Speaker 2: into the team, in particular for the next Test series

514
00:26:16,467 --> 00:26:18,827
Speaker 2: England will play, which is against our black Caps of

515
00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:21,187
Speaker 2: course in the middle of the year. So does Ben

516
00:26:21,427 --> 00:26:24,867
Speaker 2: Stokes want young players coming in stating a case and

517
00:26:25,867 --> 00:26:28,627
Speaker 2: pressing their claims for a place in the Test side.

518
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

519
00:26:29,267 --> 00:26:32,707
Speaker 8: Absolutely, you know you want as many players as possible

520
00:26:32,747 --> 00:26:34,707
Speaker 8: that you know, you want to be able to choose from.

521
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Speaker 8: We've got this test much to worry about first, and

522
00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:40,427
Speaker 8: then you know, five to six months before we play

523
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Speaker 8: our next series, so yeah, there's a lot of time

524
00:26:43,427 --> 00:26:45,067
Speaker 8: to go after this game finishes and then we get

525
00:26:45,107 --> 00:26:48,507
Speaker 8: back to England and so yeah, there's a lot of

526
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Speaker 8: time to think about things and put our heads together

527
00:26:51,467 --> 00:26:54,667
Speaker 8: and come up with something that we think is going

528
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Speaker 8: to get this team back on the direction that we

529
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Speaker 8: were in two years ago. You know, results and the

530
00:27:04,947 --> 00:27:09,787
Speaker 8: way in which you know we were, you know, playing

531
00:27:09,787 --> 00:27:12,227
Speaker 8: so consistently in terms of getting on the right side

532
00:27:12,227 --> 00:27:18,147
Speaker 8: of results. That's sort of gone, you know downhill. So yeah,

533
00:27:18,467 --> 00:27:20,947
Speaker 8: over the next couple of months to say that, I'll

534
00:27:20,947 --> 00:27:23,507
Speaker 8: be desperate to you know, make sure that we try

535
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Speaker 8: and give ourselves the best chance of when we do

536
00:27:25,467 --> 00:27:27,267
Speaker 8: come and face New Zealand in the summer, that.

537
00:27:28,947 --> 00:27:30,587
Speaker 6: You know, we've given ourselves the.

538
00:27:30,507 --> 00:27:33,747
Speaker 8: Best chance of getting those results and you know, being

539
00:27:33,747 --> 00:27:34,947
Speaker 8: a very consistent team again.

540
00:27:35,187 --> 00:27:38,427
Speaker 2: Bean Stokes also asked about his relationship with Brendan McCallum,

541
00:27:38,467 --> 00:27:40,627
Speaker 2: of course, the coach of the England team. The two

542
00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:44,147
Speaker 2: of them have always presented a very united front and

543
00:27:44,347 --> 00:27:47,547
Speaker 2: seemed to be on the same page on pretty much

544
00:27:47,587 --> 00:27:51,227
Speaker 2: every cricketing matter regarding the England team. Here's this series

545
00:27:51,347 --> 00:27:55,507
Speaker 2: tested the relationship between Ben Stokes and Brendan McCallum.

546
00:27:56,267 --> 00:27:59,227
Speaker 8: No, I don't think so. We've always been very you

547
00:27:59,227 --> 00:28:03,867
Speaker 8: know fourth with each other. That's where the relationship that

548
00:28:03,907 --> 00:28:06,027
Speaker 8: we've built not only in a professional.

549
00:28:07,107 --> 00:28:08,947
Speaker 6: You know capacity, works really well.

550
00:28:09,027 --> 00:28:12,227
Speaker 8: Yes, we are you know, pretty good mates away from

551
00:28:12,267 --> 00:28:15,187
Speaker 8: cricket as well now, but we are always have been

552
00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:20,627
Speaker 8: two people who have always challenged each other and that

553
00:28:21,147 --> 00:28:25,227
Speaker 8: hasn't changed on this trip. And there we do discuss

554
00:28:26,067 --> 00:28:29,347
Speaker 8: quite a lot about, you know, stuff behind the scenes,

555
00:28:29,787 --> 00:28:31,947
Speaker 8: because without discussion, I don't feel like you sort of

556
00:28:32,587 --> 00:28:33,267
Speaker 8: get anywhere.

557
00:28:34,547 --> 00:28:36,147
Speaker 6: So no, I wouldn't say that.

558
00:28:36,107 --> 00:28:38,507
Speaker 8: Our relationship has been challenged really at all.

559
00:28:38,587 --> 00:28:41,747
Speaker 2: And finally from being stokes, how tough have the betting

560
00:28:41,787 --> 00:28:43,547
Speaker 2: conditions been on this tour?

561
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Speaker 8: You know, both button lineups have found it difficult to

562
00:28:47,427 --> 00:28:50,827
Speaker 8: get any type of or any kind of fluency or

563
00:28:50,907 --> 00:28:53,107
Speaker 8: rhythm out there in the middle. You know, we've been

564
00:28:53,787 --> 00:28:57,147
Speaker 8: exposed to completely different conditions to every ground that we've

565
00:28:57,187 --> 00:29:01,787
Speaker 8: gone to, which you know, generally in Australia over my

566
00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:04,347
Speaker 8: time you can sort of wherever you go, things sort

567
00:29:04,347 --> 00:29:08,427
Speaker 8: of have tended to be quite similar. Yes, every ground

568
00:29:08,467 --> 00:29:12,507
Speaker 8: have got their own sort of individual things that you

569
00:29:13,907 --> 00:29:17,147
Speaker 8: can you know, associate with those grounds. I think you

570
00:29:17,187 --> 00:29:22,227
Speaker 8: know Adelaide for example, that's always been like that. But yeah,

571
00:29:22,547 --> 00:29:26,467
Speaker 8: some of the grounds have been slightly different. But I

572
00:29:26,507 --> 00:29:30,547
Speaker 8: think the one thing you take away from the Australia

573
00:29:30,547 --> 00:29:36,827
Speaker 8: team as in particular as the amazing execution with the

574
00:29:36,867 --> 00:29:42,387
Speaker 8: ball that's put us under heaps of pressure. So yeah, look,

575
00:29:42,427 --> 00:29:44,427
Speaker 8: you can look at the way that they've gone about

576
00:29:44,507 --> 00:29:47,427
Speaker 8: about it with the ball and go, yeah, there's a

577
00:29:48,107 --> 00:29:50,427
Speaker 8: there's a big difference between what Australia have been able

578
00:29:50,427 --> 00:29:51,787
Speaker 8: to do with the ball compared to what we've been

579
00:29:51,827 --> 00:29:54,307
Speaker 8: able to do with the ball. And we know that

580
00:29:54,347 --> 00:29:56,467
Speaker 8: we own that we haven't been able to execute as

581
00:29:57,307 --> 00:29:58,707
Speaker 8: well as we would have liked to and as well

582
00:29:58,707 --> 00:30:02,227
Speaker 8: as we know that we can do, which is disappointing

583
00:30:02,227 --> 00:30:02,867
Speaker 8: in a bit of a shame.

584
00:30:02,947 --> 00:30:05,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been Stokes with some of his thoughts ahead

585
00:30:05,947 --> 00:30:09,387
Speaker 2: of the First Ashes Test which is underway at the SCG.

586
00:30:09,947 --> 00:30:12,507
Speaker 2: Ben Stokes has won the toss and as Jim mentioned

587
00:30:12,507 --> 00:30:15,907
Speaker 2: on text, and that's either four or perhaps all five

588
00:30:16,547 --> 00:30:20,427
Speaker 2: that he has won. Ben Duckett and Zach Crawley have

589
00:30:20,507 --> 00:30:22,427
Speaker 2: gone out there to open the bowling and have safely

590
00:30:22,467 --> 00:30:26,587
Speaker 2: negotiated the first eleven deliveries and scored ten runs in

591
00:30:26,627 --> 00:30:29,587
Speaker 2: those eleven deliveries. Crawley not out on five, Duckt on four.

592
00:30:29,867 --> 00:30:32,547
Speaker 2: Both have hit a boundary of Mitchell Stark and Michael

593
00:30:32,627 --> 00:30:36,227
Speaker 2: Nasa opening the bowlings, so England nine without lost, ten

594
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:40,107
Speaker 2: without loss coming towards the end of the second over

595
00:30:40,387 --> 00:30:42,947
Speaker 2: referenced during that chat with Ben Stokes of course, was

596
00:30:42,987 --> 00:30:47,467
Speaker 2: the Test series coming up against New Zealand. Jesus this is.

597
00:30:48,507 --> 00:30:50,427
Speaker 2: I know it's not till June, and there's a lot

598
00:30:50,427 --> 00:30:53,427
Speaker 2: of white ball cricket to be played between now and then,

599
00:30:53,467 --> 00:30:56,227
Speaker 2: but man, I'm looking forward to that Test series. Three

600
00:30:56,387 --> 00:31:00,787
Speaker 2: Test matches, Lord's the Oval in London and then Trent

601
00:31:00,827 --> 00:31:04,427
Speaker 2: Bridge and Nottingham June fourth through eight, seventeen to twenty

602
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:06,867
Speaker 2: one and twenty five to twenty nine, the start of

603
00:31:06,907 --> 00:31:12,387
Speaker 2: a really exciting and compelling set of Test matches for

604
00:31:12,427 --> 00:31:15,107
Speaker 2: New Zealand as well. There's those three Tests in June,

605
00:31:15,187 --> 00:31:17,387
Speaker 2: then India come here at the start of next summer,

606
00:31:17,627 --> 00:31:20,787
Speaker 2: and then of course off we go to Australia for

607
00:31:20,827 --> 00:31:24,307
Speaker 2: those Test matches over there, including a Boxing Day Test.

608
00:31:24,347 --> 00:31:27,067
Speaker 2: There'll be a pink ball Test, no doubt in Sydney.

609
00:31:27,747 --> 00:31:30,267
Speaker 2: The dates I don't think of quite being locked in.

610
00:31:30,347 --> 00:31:33,747
Speaker 2: We know there will be four Test matches and I

611
00:31:33,747 --> 00:31:37,307
Speaker 2: think the venues have been confirmed. Certainly Melbourne and Sydney

612
00:31:37,307 --> 00:31:40,627
Speaker 2: will be two of them. But yeah, those Test matches

613
00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:43,187
Speaker 2: at the back end of the year, and we can

614
00:31:43,227 --> 00:31:45,107
Speaker 2: say the year now because we're into twenty twenty six.

615
00:31:45,347 --> 00:31:53,867
Speaker 2: It said to be absolutely cracking good. I grunt hello, Grant, Yeah, Piney.

616
00:31:54,987 --> 00:31:59,147
Speaker 9: I have one comment and that is the equal the

617
00:31:59,507 --> 00:32:03,867
Speaker 9: bad mistake that both England and New Zealand made the

618
00:32:03,987 --> 00:32:07,587
Speaker 9: last time both teams toured Australia and they paid for it,

619
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Speaker 9: and that is no warm up.

620
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Speaker 2: Games, correct, bang on, Grants, and I think England had

621
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Speaker 2: the opportunity not. I think between the first and second Test,

622
00:32:17,387 --> 00:32:20,907
Speaker 2: didn't they After they've been beaten inside two days, they

623
00:32:20,987 --> 00:32:23,227
Speaker 2: decided it wasn't After the second Test whenever they went

624
00:32:23,267 --> 00:32:25,227
Speaker 2: to Noosa, they could have played some games. You're right,

625
00:32:25,227 --> 00:32:27,507
Speaker 2: they could have played some warm up games. We didn't

626
00:32:27,547 --> 00:32:30,347
Speaker 2: do it in twenty nineteen, to our peril. I'm not

627
00:32:30,347 --> 00:32:32,547
Speaker 2: sure what the plan is ahead of the trip to

628
00:32:32,587 --> 00:32:34,707
Speaker 2: Australia at the back end of this year, Grant, but

629
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Speaker 2: I certainly certainly hope that it includes some warm up matches.

630
00:32:39,667 --> 00:32:43,027
Speaker 9: He hits, so did we all because of this they do.

631
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Speaker 9: If New Zealand cricket does the same thing and the

632
00:32:47,027 --> 00:32:51,427
Speaker 9: same thing happened as last time, I may be ringing

633
00:32:51,507 --> 00:32:53,827
Speaker 9: up and you may have to beat out a few words.

634
00:32:53,867 --> 00:32:54,587
Speaker 9: I have to say.

635
00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,987
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Grant, we'll take that under advisement. We wouldn't

636
00:32:58,987 --> 00:33:00,667
Speaker 2: want to have to do that, mate, wouldn't want to

637
00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:03,067
Speaker 2: have to bleep out your words. So let's hope that

638
00:33:03,107 --> 00:33:07,267
Speaker 2: you selling cricket get it right and schedules warm up games. Yeah,

639
00:33:07,267 --> 00:33:09,427
Speaker 2: I remember that in twenty nineteen. There was such high

640
00:33:09,467 --> 00:33:12,627
Speaker 2: anticipation Grant. You and I probably talked five years ago

641
00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:16,827
Speaker 2: about this on the old radio sport about the anticipation

642
00:33:17,027 --> 00:33:20,507
Speaker 2: around that visit to Australia. England had come here at

643
00:33:20,507 --> 00:33:23,467
Speaker 2: the start of that twenty nineteen twenty twenty summer and

644
00:33:23,507 --> 00:33:26,747
Speaker 2: we'd beaten them and we were looking good and over

645
00:33:26,907 --> 00:33:29,227
Speaker 2: we went for those three Test matches and goodness me,

646
00:33:29,387 --> 00:33:31,827
Speaker 2: what a damp squib of a series that was for us.

647
00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:34,707
Speaker 2: We lost all three tests by from memory north of

648
00:33:34,747 --> 00:33:38,947
Speaker 2: two hundred runs each. So yeah, the lack of warm

649
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Speaker 2: up games certainly was a factor. I hope it's not repeated. Grant.

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Speaker 2: Good to chat to you, mate, No doubt we'll la

651
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Speaker 2: yarn often during the year. Sixteen away from one when

652
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Speaker 2: we come back to basketball we go. But Terry Copenham,

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Speaker 2: head coach of the Breakers, head of their match against

654
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Speaker 2: Perth this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's more than just a game weekend Sport with Jason

656
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Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

657
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Speaker 1: News Talks AB.

658
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Speaker 2: News Talks twelve forty seven, just before we get to

659
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Speaker 2: p terry Coe and in. Yeah, test matches in Australia

660
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Speaker 2: are at the back end of this year and into

661
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. The venues are confirmed Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne

662
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Speaker 2: and Sydney. They're all day matches. We know Melvin will

663
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Speaker 2: be a boxing day test. Sidney you'll be early January.

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Speaker 2: Haven't seen confirmed dates yet for the Perth and Adelaide tests,

665
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Speaker 2: but presumably they will take place in December, in the

666
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Speaker 2: couple of three weeks before Christmas. The test matches against

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Speaker 2: India here in New Zealand's Sheared Jordan. Again, we don't

668
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Speaker 2: necessarily have the dates, in that we don't have the dates,

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Speaker 2: but we have the fact that there are three test

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Speaker 2: matches and three One day internationals five T twenties here

671
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Speaker 2: in October and November. So let's hope. Let's hope that

672
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Speaker 2: the back end of the Indian series is done so

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Speaker 2: that Australia New zeal can get across to Australia and

674
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Speaker 2: play a couple of warm up games red ball warm

675
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Speaker 2: up games before the Test series against the Aussies. After

676
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Speaker 2: playing the last four games in Australia, the Breaker is

677
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Speaker 2: back in Nowtional Basketball League action this afternoon at homes

678
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Speaker 2: Park Arena. They take on the Perth Worldcats from four

679
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Speaker 2: thirty this afternoon. He'd coach Peterie Copenan's with us, but Terry,

680
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. How good is it to be

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Speaker 2: back playing at home for the first time in about

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Speaker 2: a month or so.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it was again long stretch we didn't

684
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Speaker 10: we didn't play in Auckland, and I think everybody always

685
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Speaker 10: enjoy playing playing Spark Arena in front of our fans.

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Speaker 6: And I really hope.

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Speaker 10: We're going to get a lot of people because we

688
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Speaker 10: need all the support against Perth. We play against good teams,

689
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Speaker 10: so I hope it's going to be full gym and

690
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Speaker 10: we get a lot of noise in the gym.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's nice to be back home after after

692
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Speaker 6: a while.

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Speaker 2: And of course the Perth Wildcats historically one of the Breakers'

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Speaker 2: fiercest rivals. How motivated are you in games specifically against Perth?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean and Pert, you know they're the one

696
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Speaker 10: team that was built to compete for the championship, and

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Speaker 10: they had their own struggles.

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Speaker 6: Throughout the year, few imports changes throughout the year.

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Speaker 10: Now they are also missing David Junior against us. But

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Speaker 10: you know, there's a lot of quality in that team,

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Speaker 10: many good players, and we need to be, you know,

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Speaker 10: ready to compete and play our highest level to take

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Speaker 10: that win.

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Speaker 6: But definitely we got our own own weapons.

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Speaker 10: And but everything starts with the energy and intensity against them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that. I are a very good

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Speaker 2: team with some quality players, as are you. How do

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Speaker 2: you sit about matching them on the floor today.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, like you said, they got many quality players, and

710
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Speaker 10: then everything start okay for them.

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Speaker 6: It's j La inside.

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Speaker 10: You know, they got really one of the best big

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Speaker 10: guys in the in the league, and he's dominant down

714
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Speaker 10: down low, and that's something we we sometimes miss and

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Speaker 10: and we have to do it collectively and do our

716
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Speaker 10: jobs early and don't give him get easy catches close

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Speaker 10: to the rim. And and obviously they got a lot

718
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Speaker 10: of shooters around him. And then Christian Doolittle is play

719
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Speaker 10: making for one for me, one of the best two

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Speaker 10: way players in the league. He can play inside, outside,

721
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Speaker 10: and and and he killed us. Actually last time we

722
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Speaker 10: were we played them in pert We were there thirty minutes.

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Speaker 6: But last last.

724
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Speaker 10: Quarter do little took over and I don't know if

725
00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:31,947
Speaker 10: did he score fifteen points in the last quarter. So

726
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Speaker 10: we have to do better job there and then. But

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Speaker 10: like I said, everything starts with the effort and intensity.

728
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Speaker 10: If you let them play comfortable, it's going to be

729
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Speaker 10: hard for us. So we need to be really and

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Speaker 10: not only one player. We need all five players to

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Speaker 10: be there and be distructive.

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Speaker 2: Coach, the nature of basketball and this league is that

733
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Speaker 2: the games come thick and fast. I mean after today's game,

734
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Speaker 2: you play again on Friday, then again on Sunday. The

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Speaker 2: games just come along every few days or so. How

736
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Speaker 2: do you tweak things in season? How do you you know,

737
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Speaker 2: make adjustments while you're also trying to win basketball games?

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, that's the that's the thing. You know a

739
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Speaker 6: lot of you know true film. You try to.

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Speaker 10: Show to the team what we want to do all

741
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Speaker 10: the time, and you know, every player is different.

742
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Speaker 6: Somebody can pick it up, somebody not.

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Speaker 10: And then obviously when you don't have time to wrap

744
00:38:27,547 --> 00:38:30,507
Speaker 10: it out that much, it's it's not easy. But you know,

745
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Speaker 10: that's the challenge. And now we have a few days

746
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Speaker 10: against on the on the floor to to wrap our

747
00:38:36,347 --> 00:38:39,827
Speaker 10: basics and our rules and offensively, defensively what we want

748
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Speaker 10: to do and try to use that time. But you know,

749
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Speaker 10: like you said, it's not easy when you are on

750
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Speaker 10: the on the road, and and it's always the balance

751
00:38:47,307 --> 00:38:49,987
Speaker 10: how much you you can rest and recover and how

752
00:38:50,067 --> 00:38:52,387
Speaker 10: much you need try to improve and use that time.

753
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Speaker 10: But you know, yeah, like you said, it's not it's

754
00:38:54,867 --> 00:38:57,027
Speaker 10: not easy, but you know it's part of the job.

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Speaker 2: And they and twelve games still to go. You're only

756
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Speaker 2: two thirds of the way through the season, so you

757
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Speaker 2: must feel as though you're your playoff destiny is still

758
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Speaker 2: very much in your own hands.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and like I said, I said, we are still

760
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Speaker 10: in the race. We are, we are there, But like

761
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Speaker 10: I said, we have to take every game like it's

762
00:39:16,067 --> 00:39:19,427
Speaker 10: it's a do or die game for us, and every

763
00:39:19,427 --> 00:39:21,827
Speaker 10: game matters. There are you know, Okay, the last part

764
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Speaker 10: of the season now now stars and then every game

765
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Speaker 10: is important.

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Speaker 6: There are no easy games in this league.

767
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Speaker 10: And then you really have to be ready to compete

768
00:39:31,307 --> 00:39:33,467
Speaker 10: from from the first minute to the last, and then

769
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Speaker 10: the differences are small, but I think what the one

770
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Speaker 10: thing we show throughout the year like we can really

771
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Speaker 10: compete with every everybody and then we got our own

772
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Speaker 10: chances to win the game and I would have to

773
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Speaker 10: take those take those opportunities.

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Speaker 2: They all the best of this afternoon coach thanks to

775
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Speaker 2: day but Terry Copenhan, head coach of the New Zealand

776
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Speaker 2: Breakers the Perth Wildcats their opponents at Spark Arena this

777
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Speaker 2: afternoon four thirty tip off on that one and to

778
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Speaker 2: the fifth dover at the SCAG. A good start from

779
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Speaker 2: England having won the toss and decided to bat first

780
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Speaker 2: twenty one with that loss in the fifth dive back

781
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Speaker 2: in a sake on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: Taking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

783
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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason nine News Talk Zenby.

784
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Speaker 2: Coming up three to one after the one o'clock news

785
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Speaker 2: will zoom in on football. The Wellington Phoenix with a

786
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Speaker 2: terrific win against Brisbane raw in Brisbane yesterday. This is

787
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Speaker 2: the men's side down to ten men before halftime. They

788
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Speaker 2: won at three nil. The Wellington Phoenix women then a

789
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Speaker 2: late equalizer to draw two to two with the Brisbane

790
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Speaker 2: Rawle women Seamous Martin football commentator to break it down

791
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Speaker 2: after one. I think you'd call this an unexpected win

792
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Speaker 2: from the Wellington Phoenix men yesterday. I say that for

793
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Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. One, their last outing just five

794
00:40:49,027 --> 00:40:52,587
Speaker 2: days ago resulted in a five to one defeat at

795
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Speaker 2: Melbourne victory their biggest defeat of the season. They were

796
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Speaker 2: going to Brisbane or to Redcliffe if we want to

797
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Speaker 2: be completely accurate about it. Brisbane were in with a

798
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Speaker 2: chance of going top of the table with a win

799
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Speaker 2: last night, and instead it all just turned around. Incredible

800
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Speaker 2: scenes rarely with Wellington Phoenix coming up with a three

801
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Speaker 2: nail victory, and this in the midst of having a

802
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Speaker 2: man sent off Carlo Armiento just before halftime. They still

803
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Speaker 2: well first of all, defended and then broke themselves and

804
00:41:29,787 --> 00:41:32,787
Speaker 2: scored three goals three hill over Brisbane. So we're going

805
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Speaker 2: to break that down as well as the second leg

806
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Speaker 2: of that double header, with the Wellington Phoenix women scoring

807
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Speaker 2: a very very very late equalizer to draw two to

808
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Speaker 2: two with the Brisbane raw women and keep their place

809
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Speaker 2: in the top six firmly entrenched. Seamus Martin football commentator

810
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Speaker 2: and to join us to break down both matches shortly.

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Speaker 2: James mcconey this hour as well, with his first slot

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six. I asked James to come up

813
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Speaker 2: with some predictions, some sporting predictions for twenty twenty six, which,

814
00:42:03,987 --> 00:42:07,827
Speaker 2: no doubt, in his inimitable fashion, he will do. Lines

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Speaker 2: of communication open right across the afternoon. Our eight one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is our phone number nine

817
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Speaker 2: two nine two for your text messages emails to Jason

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Speaker 2: at NEWSTALKSDB dot co dot nz. Just before we get

819
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Speaker 2: to the football. This from a short time ago at

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Speaker 2: the SCG, courtesy of our friends at sky.

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Speaker 5: Kerry gets the job done. We get twenty seven for

822
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Speaker 5: the series, a bit to start and.

823
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Speaker 4: The big point from news top Wild will not plea tonight.

824
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Speaker 2: There you go. It's Mark Howard, who was on the

825
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Speaker 2: show not that long ago, got up into the commons

826
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Speaker 2: ary box in time to call the first wicket of

827
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Speaker 2: the Test match, Ben Duckett caught behind by Alex Carey

828
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Speaker 2: off the balling Mitchell Stark for twenty seven off twenty

829
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Speaker 2: four balls. It's bears ball and action for you. The

830
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Speaker 2: first wick at falling at thirty five. It is still

831
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Speaker 2: thirty five for one. Zack Crawley out there on five

832
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Speaker 2: a relatively sedate five not out of eighteen balls for

833
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Speaker 2: Zach Crawley. Jacob Bethel has joined him and faced just

834
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Speaker 2: the one delivery yet to score. Mitchell Stark with the wicket,

835
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Speaker 2: as you heard Mark Howard say, his twenty seventh of

836
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Speaker 2: the series. Absolutely remarkable stuff from Mitchell Stark, who the

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Speaker 2: next time he has a birthday will be blowing out

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Speaker 2: thirty six candles. Just a remarkable feat of resilience and

839
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Speaker 2: body management from Mitchell Stark. Let's get to football. At

840
00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:30,267
Speaker 2: ten past one, the Wellington Phoenix men have stunned Brisbane

841
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Speaker 2: three nil in the A League, despite playing more than

842
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Speaker 2: half their game with ten men in Redcliffe, brook.

843
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Speaker 3: Smith containing go, He's got half the pitch to himself.

844
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Speaker 3: This is the moment for Luke brook Smith. He squares

845
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Speaker 3: it to.

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Speaker 11: Pilar Retrey Willington. Incredibly, I'm going to win one of

847
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Speaker 11: the great recrections. What are the great wins for the Wellington.

848
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Speaker 2: Phoenix Paula Retroy scoring in stoppage time after Ephine Isa

849
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Speaker 2: and Kazuki Nagasawa had scored in the sixth and fifty

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Speaker 2: ninth minutes. Respectively. The Next also had to contend with

851
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Speaker 2: a red card to winger Carlo Armiento in the thirty

852
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Speaker 2: eighth minute. Meantime, the Wellington Phoenix women snatched a point late,

853
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Speaker 2: late late on in that clash with Brisbane laon.

854
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Speaker 5: Turning, swerving away from a couple.

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Speaker 2: And none. This is a tricky one.

856
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Speaker 11: It's to save weekend and brook Nun may well have

857
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Speaker 11: salvaged a point to Wilmington Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah she Diard. Brook Nun's goal in the eighth minute

859
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Speaker 2: of added time gave the Next a two to two

860
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Speaker 2: draw in the women's match to move them to fifth

861
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Speaker 2: on the table and extend their unbeaten run to three matches.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring an a legs commentator, longtime football observer and

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Speaker 2: analyst Seamus Martin, thanks for joining us on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the men, shall we? How unexpected a

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Speaker 2: performance and a result was this just five days after

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Speaker 2: the Phoenix lost five to one at Melbourne Victory.

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Speaker 12: Look, I started that match thinking how many I'll be honest,

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Speaker 12: I thought how many of Brisbane going to put on?

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Speaker 12: Because I expected a reaction from the raw after their

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Speaker 12: fiery clash which saw their coach Michael Volcanus dismissed from

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Speaker 12: the technical bench and I thought, maybe they're going to

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Speaker 12: bite again. There was a little bit of revenge in

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Speaker 12: the air as well. If you cast your mind back

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Speaker 12: to round two, Wellington Phoenix got the better of the

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Speaker 12: raw at home. But look, it was a performance. I

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Speaker 12: won't say it came from nowhere, because I feel like

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Speaker 12: it's been brewing. If you cast your mind back a

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Speaker 12: little while the win against Central Coast, it looked as

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Speaker 12: though things were starting to move. But look, as soon

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Speaker 12: as I saw Alex Rufer in the lineup, and I

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Speaker 12: was worried if he didn't start that it could be

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Speaker 12: you know, it could be catastrophic for Wellington. I'll be honest.

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Speaker 12: As soon as I saw the captain's arm Ben and

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Speaker 12: Rufa in the starting lineup, I thought there's a chance here.

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Speaker 12: And then when that first goal went in from Esa,

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Speaker 12: thought maybe there's an upset on the cards. And the

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Speaker 12: football gods have a funny way, don't they of evening

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Speaker 12: things out, And it just seemed to be smiling down

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Speaker 12: on Wellington yesterday. It was probably an all time performance.

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Speaker 12: I won't say it's the best ever Wellington performance, but

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Speaker 12: it certainly up there in terms of grit's determination and

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Speaker 12: a win against the odds.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen year old goalkeeper Amon mccaren had a challenging night

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Speaker 2: against Melbourne victory letting five and last night he kept

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Speaker 2: the Phoenix's first clean sheet. You told me on Missinger

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Speaker 2: in twenty three matches, what did you make of Amon

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Speaker 2: mccarran's performance last night.

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Speaker 12: Well, look, the drums were beating for Albi Kelly Hills.

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Speaker 12: Weren't they to come in after the Melbourne game. A

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Speaker 12: lot of people saying maybe too much, too soon. We

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Speaker 12: don't know what's going on behind the scenes in terms

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Speaker 12: of the Wellington Phoenix goalkeepers union. But mccaren I don't

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Speaker 12: know whether he stayed off social media. I hope he did,

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Speaker 12: because you know, there were some pretty harsh critics out there,

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Speaker 12: and what a way to fire back. What a way

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Speaker 12: to stamp your mark and say no, no, I deserve

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Speaker 12: to be here. I am a professional player and I'm

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Speaker 12: going to hold onto this number one shirt for as

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Speaker 12: long as I can not. Everything he did was textbook.

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Speaker 12: Let's not beat her on the bush, but keep the

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Speaker 12: ball out of the net. That's that's your main goal.

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Speaker 9: And what a moment.

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Speaker 12: It was when he flattened young Dimitri Valcanas was on

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Speaker 12: it inside the six yard box. You talk about the

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Speaker 12: raw putting the bite back into their performance, and I thought, hey,

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Speaker 12: good on you, eighteen year old goalkeeper coming out clearing

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Speaker 12: your lines, flattening the mouthpiece of the coach, shall we say,

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Speaker 12: in the eighteen yard box and almost standing over the

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Speaker 12: top of them. You know, a little bit of gamesmanship

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Speaker 12: towards the end of the game to manage the minutes

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Speaker 12: with a groin injury quote unquote. I thought it was

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Speaker 12: an excellent performance from a young shot stopper who had

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Speaker 12: would have had a lot of pressure on him. And look,

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Speaker 12: you shared the postmatch comments from Giancarlo Taliano where the

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Speaker 12: emotion just started to bubble over, and I wonder, you

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Speaker 12: know whether potentially the rest of the season was on

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Speaker 12: the line there for chief ee and that result has

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Speaker 12: bought him the rest of the season, and he's got

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Speaker 12: his young goalkeeper I think to thank for some of

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Speaker 12: that in a large part.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, of course the Phoenix had to do it

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Speaker 2: for more than a half of the game with only

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Speaker 2: ten men. Carlo Armiento sent off seven or eight minutes

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Speaker 2: before the break. You often here, and I think on

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Speaker 2: New Year's Day we saw a great example when newcast

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Speaker 2: will be at Auckland FCE that ten men are some

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Speaker 2: times odd to break down. What did you make of

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Speaker 2: the Phoenix's resilience when they went down to.

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Speaker 12: Team Well, it starts to me right at the flashpoint,

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Speaker 12: as soon as Amiento comes in and players from both

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Speaker 12: sides fire up. You saw Rufa, you saw finnro Lconchi,

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Speaker 12: who I thought was excellent yesterday getting back into the

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Speaker 12: starting lineup. But you saw the Phoenix team galvanize and

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Speaker 12: rally around and really not take a backward step against

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Speaker 12: the team that have been labeled as bullies throughout this

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Speaker 12: A league season. So I think that resilience started from

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Speaker 12: that moment from okay, our backs are really against the

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Speaker 12: wall here and maybe there was a little bit of

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Speaker 12: the criticism ringing in the year still from that five

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Speaker 12: to one to see against victory just a few days ago.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, quite often we've seen this, haven't we. And

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Speaker 12: the Phoenix are a great example in the derby, the

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Speaker 12: first derby of the year when they're up against Aukland

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Speaker 12: f C, who were down to nine just not able

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Speaker 12: to find a way. I don't know whether Chief he

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Speaker 12: was able to take some notes from that performance on

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Speaker 12: how Auckland FC were able to defend that lead and

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Speaker 12: maybe implement them on his own side. But look, a

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Speaker 12: lot of those young players really stood up yesterday. There's

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Speaker 12: a fighting team spirit amongst the group. I think there

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Speaker 12: probably always has been, but just result in little moments

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Speaker 12: haven't gone their way. But last night our referenced to

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Speaker 12: football gods, they were very very much on the side

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Speaker 12: of the yellow and black cauld Ask you.

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Speaker 2: About Luke Brooksmith. He came on late in the game

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Speaker 2: and showed energy against a tiring defense, set up the

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Speaker 2: third go for a goal rather for paul O Redtray.

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Speaker 2: How tempted do you reckon? All White's coach Darren Baisley

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Speaker 2: might be to have a look at Luke brook Smith

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Speaker 2: and his World Cup squad.

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Speaker 9: Well, he's in the.

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Speaker 12: Conversation, isn't he. For sure he's been called into an

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Speaker 12: All White squad. He elected not to go to the

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Speaker 12: Under seventeen World Cup, wanting to pursue senior club opportunities,

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Speaker 12: which will put him in the frame for the conversation

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Speaker 12: at the very least for the trip to the USA. Look,

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Speaker 12: I don't think there's any harm in trying him. I

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Speaker 12: recall I think it's World Cup two thousand and six

979
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Speaker 12: where Tia Walcott gets picked out of obscurity sixteen or

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Speaker 12: seventeen years old for the England squad. So look, this

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Speaker 12: has happened in the past, and I think when you're

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Speaker 12: looking at a player to come off the bench, because

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Speaker 12: it's to be honest, if he was to make an

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Speaker 12: all white squad, I suggest that would be Luke brook

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Speaker 12: Smith's role. He played it to perfiction last night. You

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Speaker 12: want your players that start on the bench to come

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Speaker 12: on and make an impact and perhaps that's what's been

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Speaker 12: lacking a little bit from Wellington. It's certainly lacking from

989
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Speaker 12: Auckland FC in their match against Newcastle when Carriker emptied

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Speaker 12: the bench and none of those five substitutions really seemed

991
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Speaker 12: to change the game. But for a young, exciting player

992
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Speaker 12: like Luke brook Smith, that's what you want. You want

993
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Speaker 12: to really grasp every minute that you get on the

994
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Speaker 12: pitch to try and force yourself into the starting eleven,

995
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Speaker 12: or force yourself into those conversations with Darren Baizy to

996
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Speaker 12: get a seat on the plane. I think twenty six

997
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Speaker 12: will end up flying and representing New Zealand. Three of

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Speaker 12: those are goalkeepers, so you're talking about twenty three players.

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Speaker 12: If he can be one of those twenty three, it'll

1000
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Speaker 12: be a fantastic achievement. But he needs to stack performances

1001
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Speaker 12: like he did yesterday on top of one another in

1002
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Speaker 12: the back half of this A League season, as do

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Speaker 12: the team.

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Speaker 2: Because the Phoenix haven't won consecutive matches this season. I'll

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Speaker 2: come home today with three points. How important, Shay is

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Speaker 2: it that they start to find some consistency starting with

1007
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Speaker 2: Adelaide at home a week from today?

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Speaker 13: Well, well, I think the.

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Speaker 12: Big thing for me, it'll be a rallying cry to

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Speaker 12: the Yellow Fever to get in behind their team.

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Speaker 7: You know that.

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Speaker 12: They're very loyal supporters, there's no doubting that. But wouldn't

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Speaker 12: it be wonderful on Sunday next week to see a

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Speaker 12: pat house support this team Because you saw how much

1015
00:51:29,667 --> 00:51:31,827
Speaker 12: it meant to gian Carlo Italiano. You know how much

1016
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Speaker 12: it means to the players that are there as well

1017
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Speaker 12: to get a result like that. And I think that

1018
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Speaker 12: effort and that commitment and that desire needs to be

1019
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Speaker 12: rewarded with bums on seats, So look for me. I

1020
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Speaker 12: think if they can get that twelfth man in the stand,

1021
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Speaker 12: that'll be wonderful for them to try and really stack

1022
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Speaker 12: these performances back to back. That went against Central Coast,

1023
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Speaker 12: I thought maybe with a flash of the pan, a

1024
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Speaker 12: little a little positive blip, shall we say, And then

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Speaker 12: it was back to unfortunately what we expect in terms

1026
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Speaker 12: of the Melbourne victory result. But this league is so

1027
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Speaker 12: tight this year.

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Speaker 14: I had a glance.

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Speaker 12: I think there are ninth going into a series of

1030
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Speaker 12: matches that played today, so they probably won't drop further

1031
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Speaker 12: down than that, but you know, they're not too far

1032
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Speaker 12: outside of the top six.

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Speaker 14: And I recall a.

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Speaker 12: Couple of weeks ago postmatch it was a case the

1035
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Speaker 12: question was put to chiefly, is it a case of

1036
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Speaker 12: riding out and keeping in touch with the top six

1037
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Speaker 12: until the cavalry arrives. And we're talking about alloway Any

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Speaker 12: coming back, We're talking about Tim Payne coming back. You know,

1039
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Speaker 12: those sorts of senior players coming back into the environment

1040
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Speaker 12: will only galvanize the tough lessons that some of these

1041
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Speaker 12: youngsters have been learning over the first half of the

1042
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Speaker 12: A League season.

1043
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move to the women, who were the

1044
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Speaker 2: second leg of the double header as well against Brisbane.

1045
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Speaker 2: Raw won the lap after fifteen minutes through Manaia earlier,

1046
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Speaker 2: but then Brisbane scored twice before halftime and the Phoenix

1047
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Speaker 2: left at late to snatch a point at two to

1048
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Speaker 2: one down, though entering the eighth minute of added time,

1049
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Speaker 2: you'd take you to too draw, wouldn't you.

1050
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Speaker 12: Oh, look absolutely a battling point away. Absolute speculator, it will,

1051
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Speaker 12: shall we say from brook Nun It's one for the

1052
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Speaker 12: highlight reels, but for all the wrong reasons for Lincoln

1053
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Speaker 12: and goal for Brisbane Raw. Look at just Lupton and

1054
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Speaker 12: they came away with a point. But you talk about

1055
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Speaker 12: the men's side needing to stack results together, well that's

1056
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Speaker 12: exactly what Bev Priestman's Wellington Phoenix are doing. Seven nil

1057
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Speaker 12: win at home, three nil went away and then a

1058
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Speaker 12: two two draw with Brisbane Raw. You know, seven points

1059
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Speaker 12: out of three games over the festive period as an

1060
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Speaker 12: excellent return and if they can back that up with

1061
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Speaker 12: a home win against Melbourne City the Juggernaut next weekend.

1062
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Speaker 12: They're right in that conversation that a lot of people

1063
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Speaker 12: had at the beginning of the season, before a board

1064
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Speaker 12: had been kicked that this Phoenix side is definitely one

1065
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Speaker 12: to watch.

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Speaker 14: But look the result yesterday.

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Speaker 12: I like that about a team. I think those sorts

1068
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Speaker 12: of results can define seasons when you know you're absolutely

1069
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Speaker 12: throwing everything and they were throwing the kitchen sink at

1070
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Speaker 12: Brisbane to try and come up with that equalizer and

1071
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Speaker 12: you know when it goes in the eighth minutes of

1072
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Speaker 12: stoppage time. Again I talk about the football gods. They

1073
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Speaker 12: were smiling down across the whole of the Wellington Phoenix

1074
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Speaker 12: Football Club at Readcliff yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely did you notice the absence of CJ Bott, the

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00:54:05,747 --> 00:54:08,507
Speaker 2: captain of this side, ruled out after an injury in

1077
00:54:08,547 --> 00:54:11,467
Speaker 2: the last game. Was her absence noticeable to you?

1078
00:54:12,467 --> 00:54:12,667
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1079
00:54:12,907 --> 00:54:13,347
Speaker 1: It was.

1080
00:54:13,787 --> 00:54:16,547
Speaker 12: I think that leadership element perhaps that she provides in

1081
00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:18,547
Speaker 12: the center of the pitch. They've got a really able

1082
00:54:18,587 --> 00:54:21,387
Speaker 12: replacement in Emma Pinenberg who's joined the squad in December.

1083
00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:23,627
Speaker 12: So I think in terms of the way that the

1084
00:54:23,707 --> 00:54:26,547
Speaker 12: team played, it wasn't it wasn't too far away. But

1085
00:54:26,627 --> 00:54:29,867
Speaker 12: I do think that experience and that calming influence that

1086
00:54:29,987 --> 00:54:32,747
Speaker 12: CJ brings to that side was a little bit absent

1087
00:54:32,827 --> 00:54:34,947
Speaker 12: last night. You think about a player like Pvlock, who's,

1088
00:54:35,107 --> 00:54:36,747
Speaker 12: for me, setting the world on fire in that a

1089
00:54:36,867 --> 00:54:39,667
Speaker 12: leagues women women's competition, but for her to tack her

1090
00:54:39,747 --> 00:54:42,187
Speaker 12: shoulder and see a player like CJ Bot behind her,

1091
00:54:42,227 --> 00:54:44,307
Speaker 12: that would no doubt instill her with confidence to go

1092
00:54:44,387 --> 00:54:45,867
Speaker 12: and be able to do the things that she can

1093
00:54:45,947 --> 00:54:48,427
Speaker 12: do in the attacking third of the pitch. Like I'm

1094
00:54:48,467 --> 00:54:50,587
Speaker 12: not sure how long that injury is, but I think

1095
00:54:50,627 --> 00:54:53,907
Speaker 12: that combination between CJ and Grace Jarlay, who's been redeployed

1096
00:54:53,907 --> 00:54:56,507
Speaker 12: as a central midfielder, has been been a real master

1097
00:54:56,547 --> 00:55:00,187
Speaker 12: stroke from death Pritsman. Jarlee looks really revitalized in that role.

1098
00:55:00,307 --> 00:55:05,067
Speaker 12: Her athleticism, her size, her aggression really really influential in

1099
00:55:05,067 --> 00:55:06,747
Speaker 12: the middle of the park. And pine And is a

1100
00:55:06,787 --> 00:55:09,667
Speaker 12: different sort of a player, and perhaps you know, a

1101
00:55:09,827 --> 00:55:14,547
Speaker 12: really a really noticeable absence in terms of some of

1102
00:55:14,627 --> 00:55:17,667
Speaker 12: that bite that CJ. Bot can bring. But look, zoom

1103
00:55:17,707 --> 00:55:19,747
Speaker 12: out a little bit. What a squad that big priestsmen

1104
00:55:19,787 --> 00:55:22,147
Speaker 12: are starting to build. You've got already made a replacement

1105
00:55:22,307 --> 00:55:23,387
Speaker 12: and Pineyburg coming.

1106
00:55:23,227 --> 00:55:23,747
Speaker 13: In for Bot.

1107
00:55:24,187 --> 00:55:26,427
Speaker 12: There's talk of an import player coming in to replace

1108
00:55:26,787 --> 00:55:28,987
Speaker 12: Tess or midaug who unfortunately was ruled out with a

1109
00:55:29,067 --> 00:55:31,107
Speaker 12: knee injury. Whether that's a player in the front third

1110
00:55:31,187 --> 00:55:34,027
Speaker 12: to support Somber, who knows. But look at Emma Main

1111
00:55:34,147 --> 00:55:37,867
Speaker 12: who's really flourishing. Became Wellington's all time leading goal scorer

1112
00:55:38,547 --> 00:55:42,387
Speaker 12: with that brace against Western Sydney Wanderers. So I think

1113
00:55:42,627 --> 00:55:45,307
Speaker 12: one little footnote I mentioned Somber will be all watching

1114
00:55:45,507 --> 00:55:47,587
Speaker 12: to see what that injury is like. But you know,

1115
00:55:47,667 --> 00:55:50,787
Speaker 12: it's great to see the nippolice stands as and across

1116
00:55:50,787 --> 00:55:52,947
Speaker 12: the ditch that are coming and supporting the Wellington Phoenix away.

1117
00:55:52,947 --> 00:55:54,827
Speaker 12: It's shades of the Warriors when the Warriors go and

1118
00:55:54,867 --> 00:55:57,547
Speaker 12: play away games for the priests inside, when they've got

1119
00:55:57,627 --> 00:56:00,147
Speaker 12: the home support on foreign soil, that must be a

1120
00:56:00,147 --> 00:56:01,147
Speaker 12: boost for the team as well.

1121
00:56:01,267 --> 00:56:04,227
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. So back home on Saturday to face Melbourne

1122
00:56:04,267 --> 00:56:07,387
Speaker 2: City who are currently won place, one point ahead of

1123
00:56:07,427 --> 00:56:10,427
Speaker 2: them on the Ninja A League table. Just before you go,

1124
00:56:10,627 --> 00:56:13,067
Speaker 2: Auckland f C their loss on New Year's Day. Mentioned

1125
00:56:13,067 --> 00:56:17,187
Speaker 2: it before to the Newcastle Jets. Look, this team does

1126
00:56:17,307 --> 00:56:19,427
Speaker 2: not like losing, no team does. But I don't think

1127
00:56:19,467 --> 00:56:23,027
Speaker 2: Auckland f C are particularly good losers, particular of their

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00:56:23,067 --> 00:56:25,667
Speaker 2: coaching staff. How much of a reaction do you expect

1129
00:56:25,667 --> 00:56:28,867
Speaker 2: from Auckland FC when they head to Campbelltown tomorrow night

1130
00:56:28,947 --> 00:56:29,907
Speaker 2: to take on MacArthur.

1131
00:56:30,747 --> 00:56:30,907
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1132
00:56:30,987 --> 00:56:33,627
Speaker 12: Look, I think expect an immediate reaction. Expect them to

1133
00:56:33,707 --> 00:56:36,307
Speaker 12: really snap into their business, snap into their work. I

1134
00:56:36,467 --> 00:56:40,147
Speaker 12: wonder whether Steve Corriker might be tend just to rattle

1135
00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:42,387
Speaker 12: a few cages and make a couple of changes, perhaps

1136
00:56:43,027 --> 00:56:44,107
Speaker 12: just to freshen things up.

1137
00:56:44,467 --> 00:56:45,387
Speaker 13: You think about.

1138
00:56:45,227 --> 00:56:47,747
Speaker 12: Hiroki Sakai is probably the logical one to come in

1139
00:56:47,987 --> 00:56:50,067
Speaker 12: and reclaim that position at right back and take the

1140
00:56:50,147 --> 00:56:55,627
Speaker 12: captain's armband back again. I wonder whether Nando Pineker might

1141
00:56:55,707 --> 00:56:59,027
Speaker 12: be a possibility to maybe just give Dan Hall arrest

1142
00:56:59,107 --> 00:57:02,147
Speaker 12: and a refresh because the fixtures are coming sick and fast. Yes,

1143
00:57:02,227 --> 00:57:05,707
Speaker 12: they had the enforcate situation with the Sydney FC game

1144
00:57:05,747 --> 00:57:08,507
Speaker 12: which wasn't a to be played, but maybe an opportunity

1145
00:57:08,587 --> 00:57:10,907
Speaker 12: to rotate the pack. I thought they really missed Jake

1146
00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:13,827
Speaker 12: Brimmer in that match against Newcastle. I think his role

1147
00:57:14,147 --> 00:57:16,707
Speaker 12: similar to Rufer really for the Wellington Phoenix, just sitting

1148
00:57:16,747 --> 00:57:19,307
Speaker 12: deep and being able to play almost the role as

1149
00:57:19,307 --> 00:57:21,507
Speaker 12: a quarterback to pull the strings and to link the

1150
00:57:21,587 --> 00:57:24,547
Speaker 12: play was a noticeable absentee for me, so I'm not

1151
00:57:24,587 --> 00:57:28,107
Speaker 12: sure that the severity of his hamstring injury, whether he

1152
00:57:28,227 --> 00:57:31,867
Speaker 12: comes in and Gazumo may I'm not sure what's happening there.

1153
00:57:31,907 --> 00:57:35,187
Speaker 12: But the very high standards that he set himself last year,

1154
00:57:35,627 --> 00:57:37,827
Speaker 12: so far this year he hasn't even begun to reach

1155
00:57:37,907 --> 00:57:40,187
Speaker 12: those same levels. So if they can find a way

1156
00:57:40,227 --> 00:57:43,427
Speaker 12: to unlock Gagermo MAI's magic, that might be something there.

1157
00:57:43,627 --> 00:57:45,907
Speaker 12: I do like Lachland Brook playing one inside, playing in

1158
00:57:45,987 --> 00:57:46,827
Speaker 12: that number ten role.

1159
00:57:47,027 --> 00:57:47,747
Speaker 13: I think he was.

1160
00:57:48,227 --> 00:57:50,347
Speaker 12: Really really good in that little run of away wins

1161
00:57:50,387 --> 00:57:53,427
Speaker 12: that AUCKLANDFC had, so I'd like to see him further inside.

1162
00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:56,067
Speaker 12: And I thought Randall, you know, as soon as he's

1163
00:57:56,067 --> 00:57:57,547
Speaker 12: got the elbow to the head and his eyebrow was

1164
00:57:57,547 --> 00:57:59,507
Speaker 12: split open, I thought he just drifted out of that game.

1165
00:57:59,587 --> 00:58:01,827
Speaker 12: So I wonder whether he's an opportunity for Logan Rogerson

1166
00:58:02,227 --> 00:58:04,827
Speaker 12: to come in and try and reclaim that position on

1167
00:58:05,227 --> 00:58:07,747
Speaker 12: the wide side of a front three. But the Bulls

1168
00:58:07,787 --> 00:58:11,187
Speaker 12: are a tough team. They're doing excellently in the Asian

1169
00:58:11,307 --> 00:58:15,147
Speaker 12: Confederation competitions as well, and look, that'll be a cracking match,

1170
00:58:15,227 --> 00:58:16,707
Speaker 12: as all of these matches are in the A League

1171
00:58:16,707 --> 00:58:18,867
Speaker 12: at the moment. You can't take your eyes off this competition,

1172
00:58:18,987 --> 00:58:21,827
Speaker 12: can you, Whether it's the men's competition or the women's competition.

1173
00:58:21,867 --> 00:58:24,747
Speaker 12: It's been an absolutely fantastic festive season of football.

1174
00:58:24,507 --> 00:58:26,587
Speaker 2: Hasn't it? Just hasn't it? Just thanks so much for

1175
00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:30,227
Speaker 2: your comprehensive analysis, Shamus, look forward to catching up again soon.

1176
00:58:30,427 --> 00:58:30,627
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1177
00:58:30,667 --> 00:58:31,787
Speaker 13: Thanks, Pine, appreciate it now.

1178
00:58:31,827 --> 00:58:35,707
Speaker 2: Good on you mate. Thanks. Indeed, that's Seamus Martin, Skysport commentator,

1179
00:58:35,867 --> 00:58:39,227
Speaker 2: football analyst and a long time observer. Can tell some

1180
00:58:39,307 --> 00:58:41,827
Speaker 2: pretty razor sharp and size of analysis there from Shay

1181
00:58:41,867 --> 00:58:45,587
Speaker 2: across both games. The guy will freely admit that I

1182
00:58:45,947 --> 00:58:50,867
Speaker 2: was quite concerned about the Phoenix men's side before yesterday's

1183
00:58:50,907 --> 00:58:53,027
Speaker 2: game off the back of what happened in Melbourne on

1184
00:58:53,547 --> 00:58:57,707
Speaker 2: Monday night. Are five to one defeat. I just thought

1185
00:58:58,427 --> 00:59:02,747
Speaker 2: the confidence would be rock bottom. I was really really surprised,

1186
00:59:02,827 --> 00:59:05,867
Speaker 2: I must say, to see Amon McCarran, the young eighteen

1187
00:59:05,947 --> 00:59:09,387
Speaker 2: year old goalkeeper given another start in goal last night.

1188
00:59:09,467 --> 00:59:12,867
Speaker 2: But I will absolutely hold my hand up and say

1189
00:59:12,947 --> 00:59:17,107
Speaker 2: I was wrong about him. I thought he would really

1190
00:59:17,227 --> 00:59:21,787
Speaker 2: struggle in the spotlight of this match after conceding five

1191
00:59:21,907 --> 00:59:26,867
Speaker 2: goals in his starting debut just five days previously. But

1192
00:59:26,987 --> 00:59:29,267
Speaker 2: the kid, and he is just a kid eighteen, he

1193
00:59:29,427 --> 00:59:33,947
Speaker 2: stood up, He really did. He's clearly got a rock

1194
00:59:34,067 --> 00:59:39,587
Speaker 2: solid temperament and to be the man who's in goal

1195
00:59:40,147 --> 00:59:43,347
Speaker 2: for the first Wellington Phoenix clean sheet in twenty three

1196
00:59:43,507 --> 00:59:46,787
Speaker 2: matches is a feather in his cap. I thought he

1197
00:59:47,027 --> 00:59:49,747
Speaker 2: did a really good job last night, helped out by

1198
00:59:50,667 --> 00:59:54,907
Speaker 2: a team that scrambled and battled and were fully committed,

1199
00:59:54,987 --> 00:59:58,147
Speaker 2: particularly when they went down to ten men and just

1200
00:59:58,747 --> 01:00:04,347
Speaker 2: kept Brisbane at bay and took their own opportunities. Scored

1201
01:00:05,507 --> 01:00:08,947
Speaker 2: obviously on through e Fine is a who just looks

1202
01:00:09,827 --> 01:00:12,387
Speaker 2: unlike any player I've ever seen in the A League.

1203
01:00:12,947 --> 01:00:15,587
Speaker 2: E Fine is the Nigerian striker for the Phoenix. He

1204
01:00:15,747 --> 01:00:20,507
Speaker 2: just makes things happen. Scored a goal early, then went

1205
01:00:20,587 --> 01:00:23,107
Speaker 2: on a run which set up the second for Kazuki

1206
01:00:23,627 --> 01:00:26,587
Speaker 2: Nagasawa in the second half. And then when time was

1207
01:00:26,627 --> 01:00:30,427
Speaker 2: almost up and the game was getting scratched, teenager Luke

1208
01:00:30,467 --> 01:00:32,347
Speaker 2: Brooks Smith, as I just mentioned a Shay came off

1209
01:00:32,387 --> 01:00:34,947
Speaker 2: the bench, ran away from the Brisbane defense and then

1210
01:00:35,027 --> 01:00:38,427
Speaker 2: had the awareness, the wherewithal and the football iq just

1211
01:00:38,467 --> 01:00:40,707
Speaker 2: to square it to a teammatee Polo Retro who was

1212
01:00:41,467 --> 01:00:43,267
Speaker 2: up there with him, and he just tapped it into

1213
01:00:43,267 --> 01:00:46,947
Speaker 2: an empty net for three nil. A very very impressive

1214
01:00:46,987 --> 01:00:50,627
Speaker 2: performance and what could be a very important three points

1215
01:00:51,107 --> 01:00:53,987
Speaker 2: for Wellington Phoenix. Hamous says, talk about those nicks pinety

1216
01:00:54,067 --> 01:00:57,707
Speaker 2: how good best game from Isa I've seen. He was good,

1217
01:00:57,787 --> 01:00:59,147
Speaker 2: wasn't he? But I think there were a lot of

1218
01:00:59,947 --> 01:01:04,627
Speaker 2: really impressive performances out there last night from the Wellington Phoenix.

1219
01:01:04,827 --> 01:01:06,187
Speaker 2: We can talk to them about that if you like

1220
01:01:06,387 --> 01:01:08,467
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two

1221
01:01:08,907 --> 01:01:11,387
Speaker 2: for your text message is going to hear from Jihn.

1222
01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:15,547
Speaker 2: Calo Ataliano, the coach, shortly he after the game, was

1223
01:01:15,787 --> 01:01:18,787
Speaker 2: as emotional as I've ever seen them. You won't pick

1224
01:01:18,827 --> 01:01:20,267
Speaker 2: it up in the audio that I'm going to play,

1225
01:01:20,547 --> 01:01:23,027
Speaker 2: but if you get the opportunity to watch the press

1226
01:01:23,067 --> 01:01:27,547
Speaker 2: conference it's available online. Just the first thirty seconds and

1227
01:01:27,747 --> 01:01:32,107
Speaker 2: just the emotion of gian Calo Italiano close to tears,

1228
01:01:32,187 --> 01:01:34,907
Speaker 2: had to stop himself, you know, just had to stop

1229
01:01:34,987 --> 01:01:39,947
Speaker 2: talking and take a breath and compose himself. It's clearly

1230
01:01:40,027 --> 01:01:42,947
Speaker 2: been a very very tough period for the team. They've

1231
01:01:42,947 --> 01:01:47,107
Speaker 2: been under pressure, rightfully so, because they haven't been playing well.

1232
01:01:47,587 --> 01:01:52,387
Speaker 2: There've been occasions in this season where they've been really underwhelming,

1233
01:01:52,987 --> 01:01:57,147
Speaker 2: but yesterday was a glimpse into what they can do now.

1234
01:01:57,227 --> 01:02:00,787
Speaker 2: It's consistency that is required. But I have in his

1235
01:02:00,947 --> 01:02:04,267
Speaker 2: time at the club, I've never seen gian Carlo Italiano

1236
01:02:05,867 --> 01:02:09,707
Speaker 2: as emotional as he was in that In that press

1237
01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:14,107
Speaker 2: conference afterwards, it was. It was kind of heartwarming in

1238
01:02:14,187 --> 01:02:16,347
Speaker 2: a way. I have to say, just a reminder that

1239
01:02:16,947 --> 01:02:20,387
Speaker 2: these are human beings with real emotions and often we

1240
01:02:21,787 --> 01:02:24,827
Speaker 2: we forget about that in the white hot environment of

1241
01:02:24,947 --> 01:02:27,867
Speaker 2: elite sport. England of forty seven for one and the

1242
01:02:27,867 --> 01:02:29,587
Speaker 2: twelfth over, not that the overs matter. This is a

1243
01:02:29,627 --> 01:02:32,667
Speaker 2: Test match, of course, forty seven for one batting first

1244
01:02:32,707 --> 01:02:36,147
Speaker 2: against Australia in the fifth Ashes Test at the SCG

1245
01:02:36,587 --> 01:02:39,987
Speaker 2: Crawley on twelve Bethel thereon four the man out was

1246
01:02:42,947 --> 01:02:45,027
Speaker 2: I said it a short time ago Ben ducket of

1247
01:02:45,107 --> 01:02:47,467
Speaker 2: course Ben duck at the man out for twenty seven

1248
01:02:48,427 --> 01:02:52,267
Speaker 2: England forty seven for one back with more football in

1249
01:02:52,387 --> 01:02:54,267
Speaker 2: just a moment. It's approaching one thirty.

1250
01:02:54,947 --> 01:02:58,627
Speaker 1: The tough questions off the turf Weekend Sport with Jason

1251
01:02:58,707 --> 01:03:03,067
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder news.

1252
01:03:02,947 --> 01:03:06,947
Speaker 2: Dog coming up twenty seven away from two mentioned. John

1253
01:03:07,027 --> 01:03:10,547
Speaker 2: Calo Italiano quite emotional at the start of his postmatch

1254
01:03:10,627 --> 01:03:14,667
Speaker 2: media conference after the game yesterday, once he had composed himself.

1255
01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:17,467
Speaker 2: It wasn't luck he turned into a blubbering mess or

1256
01:03:17,467 --> 01:03:22,547
Speaker 2: anything like that, but he certainly was visibly emotional. He

1257
01:03:22,707 --> 01:03:25,947
Speaker 2: was asked why this one meant so much for him.

1258
01:03:26,987 --> 01:03:28,827
Speaker 15: Been around a long time, hit a lot of crap,

1259
01:03:29,267 --> 01:03:31,707
Speaker 15: you know, especially around the team. I'm just immensely proud

1260
01:03:31,747 --> 01:03:33,987
Speaker 15: for the group, you know, like we suffered today and

1261
01:03:34,627 --> 01:03:35,787
Speaker 15: we spoke about it yesterday.

1262
01:03:35,827 --> 01:03:37,387
Speaker 6: It was like a self fulfilling prophecy, you know.

1263
01:03:37,747 --> 01:03:40,227
Speaker 15: We talked about in order for teams to be successful,

1264
01:03:40,427 --> 01:03:43,067
Speaker 15: they need to learn to suffer, to grind, to be committed,

1265
01:03:43,187 --> 01:03:46,587
Speaker 15: to have courage, you know, to be brave, so they

1266
01:03:46,707 --> 01:03:47,907
Speaker 15: demonstrate everything today.

1267
01:03:47,987 --> 01:03:49,987
Speaker 7: I felt like the football.

1268
01:03:49,627 --> 01:03:52,267
Speaker 15: Gods want Carlo to get sent off so for us

1269
01:03:52,347 --> 01:03:54,027
Speaker 15: to go through this lesson and then we're going to

1270
01:03:54,107 --> 01:03:56,307
Speaker 15: take this in order to take the next move.

1271
01:03:56,747 --> 01:03:59,507
Speaker 2: What did Jian Calo Italiana make of the performance of

1272
01:03:59,667 --> 01:04:01,827
Speaker 2: a teenage goalkeeper Amon McCarran.

1273
01:04:02,107 --> 01:04:06,067
Speaker 15: Aim one is like a experienced goalkeeper, you know, caught

1274
01:04:06,107 --> 01:04:10,187
Speaker 15: in a young guy's body. Is fearless and what I

1275
01:04:10,267 --> 01:04:13,627
Speaker 15: really liked about him today was the reaction from conceding

1276
01:04:13,667 --> 01:04:15,907
Speaker 15: five goals against Victory. It didn't phase him. He came

1277
01:04:15,987 --> 01:04:18,467
Speaker 15: in in the air, it was fantastic. The last brave

1278
01:04:18,587 --> 01:04:22,907
Speaker 15: ditch saves and someone was amazing. So for me again,

1279
01:04:23,187 --> 01:04:26,707
Speaker 15: you know, I trust the young players for that reason,

1280
01:04:26,787 --> 01:04:29,707
Speaker 15: because they have that fearlessness. He started as number three,

1281
01:04:30,507 --> 01:04:33,267
Speaker 15: you know, at the beginning of the season and now

1282
01:04:33,547 --> 01:04:35,187
Speaker 15: you know he's playing like mature number one.

1283
01:04:35,747 --> 01:04:41,507
Speaker 2: Was chief ee Gianclo Telliano happy with his side's game management.

1284
01:04:41,427 --> 01:04:44,267
Speaker 15: Yeah, up until the sendoff. Yes, I felt as though

1285
01:04:44,707 --> 01:04:46,627
Speaker 15: in terms of game management with ten men, we could

1286
01:04:46,627 --> 01:04:49,707
Speaker 15: have been a little bit braver with the first pass

1287
01:04:49,747 --> 01:04:51,427
Speaker 15: into the front line, but as it was doing so

1288
01:04:51,547 --> 01:04:53,347
Speaker 15: much work that was funny, hard to recover in all

1289
01:04:53,387 --> 01:04:55,747
Speaker 15: those moments. I was screaming a kazu when he broke

1290
01:04:55,787 --> 01:04:57,387
Speaker 15: and he had a shot, like you know, we're five

1291
01:04:57,427 --> 01:04:59,787
Speaker 15: minutes ago. We could have just relaxed in the corner,

1292
01:04:59,907 --> 01:05:02,507
Speaker 15: get players around the ball, because what about strengths is

1293
01:05:02,547 --> 01:05:04,907
Speaker 15: the ball and just is building that belief that we

1294
01:05:04,987 --> 01:05:05,947
Speaker 15: can do it for ninety minutes.

1295
01:05:05,947 --> 01:05:07,427
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's hard to do that.

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01:05:07,587 --> 01:05:09,747
Speaker 15: You know, Brisbane a tough opponent defensively one of the

1297
01:05:09,787 --> 01:05:12,587
Speaker 15: best teams. You know, they're very solid. But again this

1298
01:05:12,747 --> 01:05:15,427
Speaker 15: is part of our you know, us evolving and then

1299
01:05:15,467 --> 01:05:18,307
Speaker 15: taking that next step. But from a defensive point, fantastic.

1300
01:05:18,747 --> 01:05:21,707
Speaker 2: How important a when was this for Wellington?

1301
01:05:21,827 --> 01:05:22,307
Speaker 6: We needed this.

1302
01:05:22,947 --> 01:05:24,667
Speaker 15: It wasn't so much the result, It was more the

1303
01:05:24,747 --> 01:05:29,387
Speaker 15: performance and building towards the foundation. Believe we shared a

1304
01:05:29,427 --> 01:05:31,947
Speaker 15: lot of characters time I was probably I couldn't ask

1305
01:05:32,027 --> 01:05:36,387
Speaker 15: for anything more. The desperation every tackle, you know, every cross,

1306
01:05:36,507 --> 01:05:39,747
Speaker 15: you know, awareness in the second phase you know, they

1307
01:05:39,787 --> 01:05:41,387
Speaker 15: had some good chances as well, and some of the

1308
01:05:41,427 --> 01:05:43,347
Speaker 15: big blocks, you know, some of the big saves aim

1309
01:05:43,547 --> 01:05:44,187
Speaker 15: were fantastic.

1310
01:05:44,627 --> 01:05:47,147
Speaker 2: Teliana then asked about a couple of specific players. The

1311
01:05:47,227 --> 01:05:50,427
Speaker 2: first is important center back Canadian man Draker James.

1312
01:05:50,707 --> 01:05:52,947
Speaker 15: I think the big thing with most visa players that

1313
01:05:53,027 --> 01:05:55,267
Speaker 15: come into the league, they find that the first year

1314
01:05:55,347 --> 01:05:58,107
Speaker 15: is the hardest in terms of adjustment. They sometimes they

1315
01:05:58,227 --> 01:06:02,707
Speaker 15: make instant impact, but I feel as though it takes

1316
01:06:02,707 --> 01:06:04,947
Speaker 15: a bit of an adjustment and I think he's going

1317
01:06:04,987 --> 01:06:07,787
Speaker 15: through that phase now, you know is a qualiff defender.

1318
01:06:07,827 --> 01:06:09,907
Speaker 15: I mean he's played some really elite clubs and like

1319
01:06:10,547 --> 01:06:13,507
Speaker 15: his time at Michelan there was a top talent and

1320
01:06:14,107 --> 01:06:16,587
Speaker 15: I think now he's slowly getting used to the league.

1321
01:06:16,747 --> 01:06:18,707
Speaker 15: And even today, you know, when he had to dig deep,

1322
01:06:18,707 --> 01:06:21,147
Speaker 15: you know, he showed his experience. But not only was

1323
01:06:21,187 --> 01:06:24,587
Speaker 15: I proud of him, I thought Sheridan and Hughesy were

1324
01:06:24,707 --> 01:06:27,667
Speaker 15: immense today. That was you know, the amount of pressure

1325
01:06:27,747 --> 01:06:28,787
Speaker 15: they absorbed.

1326
01:06:28,947 --> 01:06:29,667
Speaker 6: It was fantastic.

1327
01:06:29,747 --> 01:06:31,507
Speaker 15: Even Lucas when he came on on the left side

1328
01:06:31,547 --> 01:06:33,707
Speaker 15: for Carlo, did a great job.

1329
01:06:33,787 --> 01:06:38,107
Speaker 6: And no mensely proud of all those defenders and Corbs

1330
01:06:38,147 --> 01:06:40,187
Speaker 6: as well. Sorry Corps had a great stint.

1331
01:06:40,187 --> 01:06:44,547
Speaker 2: And he fine. Is the aforementioned Nigerian strike. How did

1332
01:06:45,227 --> 01:06:47,347
Speaker 2: Gianclo Taliano Sis's performance?

1333
01:06:47,507 --> 01:06:50,427
Speaker 15: I think the most important thing is that we keep

1334
01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:53,227
Speaker 15: feeding him the ball. That's as one of the crucial things.

1335
01:06:53,267 --> 01:06:55,387
Speaker 15: And you see today, even we had two three players

1336
01:06:55,387 --> 01:06:59,067
Speaker 15: around him, he dribbled exceptionally well. I think Arami and

1337
01:06:59,307 --> 01:07:01,267
Speaker 15: As they have a really good relationship as well. So

1338
01:07:01,347 --> 01:07:03,347
Speaker 15: we need to build on the relationships these players have.

1339
01:07:04,067 --> 01:07:05,987
Speaker 15: And again, you know, it is a unique talent is

1340
01:07:06,067 --> 01:07:08,627
Speaker 15: someone that is very unpredictable with the ball. He does

1341
01:07:08,707 --> 01:07:12,987
Speaker 15: things that very uncharacteristic and because of that is a danger.

1342
01:07:13,147 --> 01:07:15,587
Speaker 15: And even I thought today Bristine paid a lot of

1343
01:07:15,627 --> 01:07:18,787
Speaker 15: attention to him with their back three in the initial

1344
01:07:19,027 --> 01:07:21,547
Speaker 15: half and he was drawing you know, volcanos our ability

1345
01:07:22,587 --> 01:07:24,907
Speaker 15: and made it very difficult for him, especially that first goal,

1346
01:07:24,987 --> 01:07:27,267
Speaker 15: you know, and I think we probably scored two or

1347
01:07:27,307 --> 01:07:29,787
Speaker 15: three goals similar to that with the long ball at

1348
01:07:29,787 --> 01:07:32,867
Speaker 15: the beginning. So but again, you know, he just needs

1349
01:07:33,107 --> 01:07:35,347
Speaker 15: to build some consistency and he'll get the goals that

1350
01:07:35,427 --> 01:07:35,667
Speaker 15: we need.

1351
01:07:35,907 --> 01:07:38,427
Speaker 2: And finally from gian Kloer Taliana, what did he make

1352
01:07:38,507 --> 01:07:41,387
Speaker 2: of the performance of Luke brook Smith has teenage at

1353
01:07:41,467 --> 01:07:44,187
Speaker 2: striker coming off the bench to set up the third goal.

1354
01:07:44,347 --> 01:07:45,267
Speaker 6: It's probably underplayed.

1355
01:07:45,307 --> 01:07:46,907
Speaker 15: I don't like talking about as well. But we do

1356
01:07:47,027 --> 01:07:48,587
Speaker 15: have a lot of young players and we you know,

1357
01:07:48,747 --> 01:07:51,507
Speaker 15: we we build our success on those young players. You know,

1358
01:07:52,147 --> 01:07:53,507
Speaker 15: for the short term and long term.

1359
01:07:53,747 --> 01:07:57,027
Speaker 6: They have to go through the maturity, like a victory

1360
01:07:57,147 --> 01:07:58,187
Speaker 6: like this is a.

1361
01:07:58,227 --> 01:07:58,787
Speaker 7: Long part of it.

1362
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Speaker 15: You know, they're going to be very up and down.

1363
01:08:00,827 --> 01:08:03,027
Speaker 15: Look he's no different, you know, like one week, you

1364
01:08:03,067 --> 01:08:04,587
Speaker 15: know he can be great the next week. You know,

1365
01:08:04,667 --> 01:08:07,427
Speaker 15: he needs to he needs to work on certain things

1366
01:08:07,507 --> 01:08:10,667
Speaker 15: and get better. And our job as a coaching staff

1367
01:08:10,747 --> 01:08:13,387
Speaker 15: is to build and develop and make sure that you know,

1368
01:08:13,467 --> 01:08:19,147
Speaker 15: they steadily develop and then don't get overruled or you know,

1369
01:08:19,547 --> 01:08:21,867
Speaker 15: have to deal with the you know, the outside noise.

1370
01:08:21,867 --> 01:08:23,707
Speaker 6: And I feel like that's a big, big thing, that

1371
01:08:23,947 --> 01:08:24,667
Speaker 6: is a big challenge.

1372
01:08:24,707 --> 01:08:27,907
Speaker 15: But Luki has a lot of talent. You know, there's

1373
01:08:27,907 --> 01:08:30,107
Speaker 15: a lot of young boys like we talk about like

1374
01:08:30,267 --> 01:08:34,827
Speaker 15: Sheridan and Hughesy and cass Sorry Lucas and you know,

1375
01:08:35,107 --> 01:08:37,267
Speaker 15: boys like Arna of fin Contry. They're still like in

1376
01:08:37,387 --> 01:08:40,507
Speaker 15: their twenties, like early twenties, late you know, late teens,

1377
01:08:41,387 --> 01:08:43,827
Speaker 15: and sometimes they've been planned for so long there we

1378
01:08:43,947 --> 01:08:46,107
Speaker 15: feel like they're senior players, but they're still kids, you know,

1379
01:08:46,187 --> 01:08:48,747
Speaker 15: and they're still coming through. Some people might not argue,

1380
01:08:48,747 --> 01:08:50,707
Speaker 15: you know, the kids at nineteen twenty, but you know

1381
01:08:51,027 --> 01:08:53,187
Speaker 15: they still are and they're still there's a long road

1382
01:08:53,227 --> 01:08:55,387
Speaker 15: in there, you know, their development and their journey.

1383
01:08:55,907 --> 01:08:59,187
Speaker 2: So those are some of the postmats thoughts of Wellington

1384
01:08:59,227 --> 01:09:02,787
Speaker 2: fantas head coach at John Kloertaliano A three till Winter's

1385
01:09:02,867 --> 01:09:05,867
Speaker 2: side over bruce Burn. It takes them to fourteen points

1386
01:09:05,907 --> 01:09:09,347
Speaker 2: on the comption table that has them in ninth position

1387
01:09:09,427 --> 01:09:12,627
Speaker 2: at the moment, but just one point outside the top six.

1388
01:09:12,707 --> 01:09:16,107
Speaker 2: It is a very tight table, very very tight. Wellington

1389
01:09:16,107 --> 01:09:20,987
Speaker 2: Phoenix on fourteen points, Melbourne City have fourteen, Newcastle have fifteen,

1390
01:09:21,067 --> 01:09:24,027
Speaker 2: Adelaide have fifteen and Adelaide a in sixth place at

1391
01:09:24,027 --> 01:09:26,987
Speaker 2: the moment and they're the next opponent for the Wellington

1392
01:09:27,027 --> 01:09:30,347
Speaker 2: Phoenix men at home a week today they take on

1393
01:09:30,467 --> 01:09:34,627
Speaker 2: Adelaide United. Auckland FC meantime stay top. Sydney FC had

1394
01:09:34,667 --> 01:09:36,587
Speaker 2: the opportunity to go pass them last night but could

1395
01:09:36,627 --> 01:09:39,467
Speaker 2: only draw nil all with Melbourne City. So Aukland f

1396
01:09:39,547 --> 01:09:42,867
Speaker 2: C are top after ten games on twenty points. Sydney

1397
01:09:42,987 --> 01:09:46,187
Speaker 2: FC have nineteen and then it's Brisbane of course, who

1398
01:09:46,307 --> 01:09:49,067
Speaker 2: were beaten by the Phoenix last night on eighteen. MacArthur

1399
01:09:49,147 --> 01:09:53,387
Speaker 2: also have eighteen. Tomorrow night, Auckland FC are away at MacArthur.

1400
01:09:53,507 --> 01:09:58,547
Speaker 2: That's Campbelltown just inland from Sydney. So Aukland FC. If

1401
01:09:58,547 --> 01:10:00,787
Speaker 2: they would have win, that would go four points clear

1402
01:10:00,907 --> 01:10:02,987
Speaker 2: at the top the Wellington Phoenix Men. As I say

1403
01:10:03,187 --> 01:10:05,387
Speaker 2: Adelaide next Sunday and for the Phoenix women they are

1404
01:10:05,467 --> 01:10:07,627
Speaker 2: tucked into fifth place after their two to draw against

1405
01:10:07,667 --> 01:10:11,187
Speaker 2: Brisbane last night and next faced Melbourne City at home

1406
01:10:11,387 --> 01:10:15,667
Speaker 2: Polydoor Park on Saturday. Let's get you back to the

1407
01:10:15,747 --> 01:10:19,547
Speaker 2: Sydney cricket ground courtesy of our friends at skysport.

1408
01:10:21,187 --> 01:10:25,747
Speaker 5: On the big response gets him look.

1409
01:10:28,987 --> 01:10:33,307
Speaker 10: On fields is given out impacting lane and Wi gets

1410
01:10:33,427 --> 01:10:34,267
Speaker 10: un by a scorn.

1411
01:10:34,827 --> 01:10:38,587
Speaker 2: We can stay with John Philith by out miss and Rasa.

1412
01:10:39,347 --> 01:10:44,307
Speaker 2: His decision is vindicated, So there you go. Zach Crawley

1413
01:10:44,867 --> 01:10:47,987
Speaker 2: LBW to the bowling of Michael Nasa for sixteen. They

1414
01:10:48,107 --> 01:10:52,147
Speaker 2: reviewed unsuccessfully Nace's picking up the wicket of Crawley. So

1415
01:10:52,347 --> 01:10:55,227
Speaker 2: England fifty seven for two now and in fact they

1416
01:10:55,307 --> 01:10:57,227
Speaker 2: may just have picked up another wicket. We'll get news

1417
01:10:57,667 --> 01:11:00,987
Speaker 2: of that for you shortly. Yes, fifty seven for three.

1418
01:11:02,107 --> 01:11:05,707
Speaker 2: Scott Boland has picked up Jacob Bethel caught behind by

1419
01:11:05,787 --> 01:11:09,267
Speaker 2: Alex Ki for ten. So England were going along okay,

1420
01:11:09,627 --> 01:11:13,107
Speaker 2: thirty five without loss. They're now fifty seven for three,

1421
01:11:13,667 --> 01:11:15,747
Speaker 2: fifty seven for three a wick at each for Stark

1422
01:11:15,827 --> 01:11:19,307
Speaker 2: for Nasa and now for Scott Boland. Who's just he's

1423
01:11:19,347 --> 01:11:22,547
Speaker 2: another one, isn't he He's an incredible bowler. Scott boland

1424
01:11:22,907 --> 01:11:26,267
Speaker 2: Gee does some great things for Australia, so he's picked up.

1425
01:11:26,267 --> 01:11:28,787
Speaker 2: We'll get now fifty seven for three England batting first

1426
01:11:28,827 --> 01:11:32,307
Speaker 2: against Australia and the fifth Ashes Test at the SCG

1427
01:11:33,107 --> 01:11:34,867
Speaker 2: nineteen to two. Let's take a bay comeback for the

1428
01:11:34,907 --> 01:11:38,107
Speaker 2: first time in twenty twenty six. James mcconey in his

1429
01:11:38,227 --> 01:11:39,507
Speaker 2: regular Sunday spot.

1430
01:11:39,907 --> 01:11:43,427
Speaker 1: The biggest things in sports are on Weekend Sports with

1431
01:11:43,627 --> 01:11:47,747
Speaker 1: Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home

1432
01:11:47,787 --> 01:11:49,027
Speaker 1: builder news talks then.

1433
01:11:49,027 --> 01:11:52,827
Speaker 2: Be sixteen away from two. Well, he was so good

1434
01:11:52,867 --> 01:11:55,467
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty four and in

1435
01:11:55,547 --> 01:11:58,747
Speaker 2: fact for years before that, that we have at great

1436
01:11:58,787 --> 01:12:03,227
Speaker 2: expense to Weekend Sport re enlisted the Sunday contribution of

1437
01:12:03,347 --> 01:12:04,227
Speaker 2: James mcconey.

1438
01:12:04,467 --> 01:12:08,267
Speaker 14: Hello mate, only Happy New Year, Happy New Years everyone

1439
01:12:08,347 --> 01:12:08,707
Speaker 14: out there.

1440
01:12:09,267 --> 01:12:09,507
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1441
01:12:09,707 --> 01:12:12,707
Speaker 14: Look, the negotiations were tense between your people and my people,

1442
01:12:13,027 --> 01:12:14,547
Speaker 14: but somehow we came to an agreement.

1443
01:12:15,427 --> 01:12:17,867
Speaker 2: It was good to get the official word that you

1444
01:12:17,947 --> 01:12:20,987
Speaker 2: would be back for twenty twenty six because there's lots

1445
01:12:21,027 --> 01:12:22,867
Speaker 2: to talk about. I want to get your predictions actually

1446
01:12:22,907 --> 01:12:25,227
Speaker 2: for the year in a moment, but a league wise

1447
01:12:25,387 --> 01:12:26,987
Speaker 2: was good to see out on the field. Actually after

1448
01:12:27,067 --> 01:12:31,067
Speaker 2: the game on New Year's Day Aukland FC Newcastle. Not

1449
01:12:31,187 --> 01:12:32,387
Speaker 2: the result Auckland FC.

1450
01:12:32,387 --> 01:12:35,427
Speaker 14: More after though, Yeah, a bit of a bummer that game, Piny.

1451
01:12:35,467 --> 01:12:36,947
Speaker 14: I mean, you had to call it, but I was

1452
01:12:37,027 --> 01:12:41,147
Speaker 14: there going Okay. It's the same problems but more amplified

1453
01:12:41,707 --> 01:12:43,667
Speaker 14: than last year or the end of last year. I

1454
01:12:43,707 --> 01:12:46,147
Speaker 14: always felt that shooting was a weakness for that team

1455
01:12:46,707 --> 01:12:49,387
Speaker 14: and they've tried to remedy that with Cosgrove coming in,

1456
01:12:49,507 --> 01:12:53,907
Speaker 14: but really without the crazy Columbia Moreno in the to

1457
01:12:54,027 --> 01:12:57,027
Speaker 14: come in and spark something, they just don't have their

1458
01:12:57,027 --> 01:13:00,467
Speaker 14: shooting boots on. And all I'll say is there's some

1459
01:13:00,547 --> 01:13:03,987
Speaker 14: pretty good shooters for the Wellington Phoenix when they get

1460
01:13:04,027 --> 01:13:08,227
Speaker 14: a chance. So at least the Phoenix came up with

1461
01:13:08,387 --> 01:13:12,587
Speaker 14: probably one of Is that the greatest regular season victory

1462
01:13:12,627 --> 01:13:13,227
Speaker 14: in their history?

1463
01:13:13,747 --> 01:13:17,107
Speaker 2: I think it's probably one of the best away wins

1464
01:13:17,187 --> 01:13:20,307
Speaker 2: and the regular season in their history. Yes, given the circumstances,

1465
01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:22,627
Speaker 2: given the fact they were well they had five put

1466
01:13:22,707 --> 01:13:25,267
Speaker 2: past them just five days before, they were down to

1467
01:13:25,387 --> 01:13:29,387
Speaker 2: ten before halftime, and you know, against a team that's

1468
01:13:29,427 --> 01:13:31,867
Speaker 2: been very, very good this season to come away three nil.

1469
01:13:32,187 --> 01:13:34,707
Speaker 2: There's no way anyone would have predicted three nil in

1470
01:13:34,787 --> 01:13:37,787
Speaker 2: that game before the game started, I know.

1471
01:13:37,907 --> 01:13:40,667
Speaker 14: And I've got a bit of a man crash on

1472
01:13:41,027 --> 01:13:46,707
Speaker 14: Ifine years the very fine striker, Nigerian striker for the

1473
01:13:46,787 --> 01:13:51,147
Speaker 14: Wellington Phoenix. And look the way that he controls the ball.

1474
01:13:51,267 --> 01:13:54,907
Speaker 14: He looks like a genuine star. The scouts of the

1475
01:13:54,947 --> 01:13:57,467
Speaker 14: Wellington Phoenix. Look, you don't have the I guess the

1476
01:13:59,747 --> 01:14:04,027
Speaker 14: money of Auckland f C and the network that they've

1477
01:14:04,067 --> 01:14:07,107
Speaker 14: got with all the clubs that Bill Foley owner hands,

1478
01:14:07,187 --> 01:14:10,787
Speaker 14: but someone is a really good scout at the Wellington

1479
01:14:10,827 --> 01:14:14,267
Speaker 14: Phoenix because finding him. He played his last three clubs

1480
01:14:14,547 --> 01:14:18,067
Speaker 14: were in Libya and Iraq, so I don't think a

1481
01:14:18,147 --> 01:14:20,627
Speaker 14: hostile crowd at Brisbane is going to FaZe him, and

1482
01:14:20,707 --> 01:14:21,667
Speaker 14: it certainly didn't Paint.

1483
01:14:22,427 --> 01:14:24,187
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, You've got to love football to

1484
01:14:24,227 --> 01:14:27,867
Speaker 2: play it in Libya and Iraq professionally, don't you. I mean,

1485
01:14:28,187 --> 01:14:31,627
Speaker 2: it's very not quite the same as as Courtney Place

1486
01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:34,547
Speaker 2: in Wellington, certainly not the Daylight House anyway. But you know,

1487
01:14:34,587 --> 01:14:37,547
Speaker 2: I agree, I think he's something. He's unlike anyone I've

1488
01:14:37,587 --> 01:14:39,267
Speaker 2: ever seen in the a league. He just seems to

1489
01:14:39,347 --> 01:14:42,387
Speaker 2: have this ability to hold onto the ball when he's

1490
01:14:42,427 --> 01:14:44,147
Speaker 2: dribbling with it. You think, oh he's lost that, No

1491
01:14:44,267 --> 01:14:47,667
Speaker 2: he hasn't. He still got it. He's just such an

1492
01:14:47,747 --> 01:14:48,827
Speaker 2: interesting proposition.

1493
01:14:49,747 --> 01:14:51,427
Speaker 14: And then you look at look at his old photos

1494
01:14:51,467 --> 01:14:53,387
Speaker 14: and he did carry a few pounds. So obviously the

1495
01:14:53,867 --> 01:14:56,467
Speaker 14: fitness trainers at the Phoenix out there at the at

1496
01:14:56,467 --> 01:15:00,147
Speaker 14: their amazing sort of HQ has got him in there

1497
01:15:00,227 --> 01:15:03,387
Speaker 14: and the altitude machines and in the swimming pool. Everything

1498
01:15:03,427 --> 01:15:06,707
Speaker 14: they've got to get him match fit, and he looks

1499
01:15:06,787 --> 01:15:08,747
Speaker 14: really good. The one thing that I annoyed me about

1500
01:15:08,747 --> 01:15:10,987
Speaker 14: in the game was that red card. I won't dwell

1501
01:15:11,027 --> 01:15:13,827
Speaker 14: on it too long except to say that I always

1502
01:15:13,867 --> 01:15:16,267
Speaker 14: feel that there's a lot of things people that could

1503
01:15:16,307 --> 01:15:20,587
Speaker 14: get carded in a league games, and I always feel

1504
01:15:20,627 --> 01:15:22,907
Speaker 14: like there's a bit of unconscious bias. It goes against

1505
01:15:22,907 --> 01:15:26,147
Speaker 14: the Kiwi teams. And all I'll say is like, don't

1506
01:15:26,187 --> 01:15:28,627
Speaker 14: hold back if you are a critic of that. Because

1507
01:15:29,107 --> 01:15:31,947
Speaker 14: I looked at Jason Paris. You remember the one New

1508
01:15:32,027 --> 01:15:36,627
Speaker 14: Zealand CEO complaining about NRL refs, Yes, and Bill Harrigan

1509
01:15:36,947 --> 01:15:39,907
Speaker 14: half and puffed about integrity, went off. But do you

1510
01:15:39,987 --> 01:15:42,907
Speaker 14: know what happened afterwards? I felt there was a noticeable

1511
01:15:42,987 --> 01:15:45,907
Speaker 14: change in the reffing door of the Warriors. So actually

1512
01:15:45,907 --> 01:15:47,067
Speaker 14: you might as well complain.

1513
01:15:48,347 --> 01:15:50,027
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of the front of shirt sponsor for

1514
01:15:50,107 --> 01:15:53,227
Speaker 2: the Phoenix, OPO, the CEO of OPO needs to needs

1515
01:15:53,267 --> 01:15:56,827
Speaker 2: to get on social media and complain about the inconsistency

1516
01:15:56,907 --> 01:15:59,587
Speaker 2: of the football refereeing. But yeah, I mean we shouldn't

1517
01:15:59,587 --> 01:16:03,947
Speaker 2: panic about Auckland FC. They're still top. MacArthur away on

1518
01:16:04,947 --> 01:16:07,627
Speaker 2: and tomorrow night actually and then two more away games.

1519
01:16:07,707 --> 01:16:10,587
Speaker 2: I'm actually I know to we're quite looking forward to

1520
01:16:10,707 --> 01:16:13,387
Speaker 2: Derby number three at the back end of February. Of

1521
01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:17,267
Speaker 2: the Phoenix continue, they're upward trajectory, we might get another

1522
01:16:17,547 --> 01:16:18,507
Speaker 2: quite memorable game.

1523
01:16:19,507 --> 01:16:22,307
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so too. It's a juicy derby. And

1524
01:16:22,387 --> 01:16:24,627
Speaker 14: of course they're all watching Luke brook Smith, the former

1525
01:16:24,707 --> 01:16:29,787
Speaker 14: BMX rider who out of Norfold and then Cambridge got

1526
01:16:30,427 --> 01:16:35,627
Speaker 14: shunted down to Wellington to basically take a football seriously

1527
01:16:35,707 --> 01:16:38,707
Speaker 14: as his full time job. And well he's seventeen years old,

1528
01:16:39,307 --> 01:16:42,867
Speaker 14: just coming through and look he looked he should be

1529
01:16:42,907 --> 01:16:45,667
Speaker 14: going to the World Cup. I mean we've seen you know,

1530
01:16:46,147 --> 01:16:49,147
Speaker 14: Lemgna male for Spain at sixteen, So why not Luke

1531
01:16:49,267 --> 01:16:51,147
Speaker 14: brook Smith, the man they call pounds.

1532
01:16:52,187 --> 01:16:56,187
Speaker 2: I'd have him. Yeah, the other niche here the lbs pounds.

1533
01:16:56,227 --> 01:16:58,547
Speaker 2: I'm sure people can work it out. Yeah. Look, I'd

1534
01:16:58,587 --> 01:17:00,827
Speaker 2: have him in the twenty six I think Darren Basley

1535
01:17:00,907 --> 01:17:03,067
Speaker 2: has to have a look at him, right. I set

1536
01:17:03,107 --> 01:17:06,187
Speaker 2: you a task for your first appearance on Weekend Sport

1537
01:17:06,467 --> 01:17:09,107
Speaker 2: share of some predictions for the year ahead. What I

1538
01:17:09,227 --> 01:17:11,427
Speaker 2: asked of you, And I don't know whether you've whether

1539
01:17:11,467 --> 01:17:14,387
Speaker 2: you've you've taken my instruction or not, but I asked

1540
01:17:14,427 --> 01:17:17,627
Speaker 2: you for a reasonably certain prediction, a fifty to fifty

1541
01:17:17,947 --> 01:17:20,667
Speaker 2: and an absolute roughie. Have you have you got anything

1542
01:17:20,707 --> 01:17:22,627
Speaker 2: of that of that kind to give us?

1543
01:17:23,467 --> 01:17:25,507
Speaker 14: Yes, we'll start off with the reasonably certain, and that

1544
01:17:25,827 --> 01:17:29,067
Speaker 14: is Zoe Sadowski senate to win gold at the Winter

1545
01:17:29,147 --> 01:17:34,947
Speaker 14: Olympics in slopestyle, probably maybe even bigger. But just remember

1546
01:17:36,267 --> 01:17:38,867
Speaker 14: a lot can go wrong. It's not quite like Lisa

1547
01:17:38,907 --> 01:17:42,187
Speaker 14: Carrington having her own lane and paddling away, or even

1548
01:17:42,587 --> 01:17:45,067
Speaker 14: Sarah Olmer going round and around the track. There's a

1549
01:17:45,107 --> 01:17:47,387
Speaker 14: lot that can go wrong in slight slopestyle. Okay, but

1550
01:17:47,427 --> 01:17:49,747
Speaker 14: I'm putting it out there I think she'll win gold.

1551
01:17:50,267 --> 01:17:53,347
Speaker 2: I love that, all right, that's the that's the I

1552
01:17:53,427 --> 01:17:55,787
Speaker 2: guess the lock and I agree. I think she'll be

1553
01:17:56,187 --> 01:17:58,827
Speaker 2: She'll be there or thereabouts. What about a fifty to

1554
01:17:58,867 --> 01:18:00,747
Speaker 2: fifty fifty to.

1555
01:18:00,747 --> 01:18:04,067
Speaker 14: Fifty is well, it's a double one. This one England

1556
01:18:04,187 --> 01:18:07,747
Speaker 14: to make the FIFA World Cup Final and the All

1557
01:18:07,787 --> 01:18:09,067
Speaker 14: Whites to get out of their group.

1558
01:18:09,867 --> 01:18:11,027
Speaker 2: Good good.

1559
01:18:11,107 --> 01:18:11,547
Speaker 14: I like that.

1560
01:18:13,627 --> 01:18:15,107
Speaker 2: I'd love if they got out of the group. How

1561
01:18:15,147 --> 01:18:17,347
Speaker 2: good would have been playing knockout football at the World Cup.

1562
01:18:18,267 --> 01:18:22,347
Speaker 14: Well, they're playing Iran, they're playing Egypt and Belgium. I

1563
01:18:22,427 --> 01:18:24,347
Speaker 14: think we can pick up points against all of them.

1564
01:18:24,427 --> 01:18:27,107
Speaker 14: It's just we need Chris.

1565
01:18:26,987 --> 01:18:27,747
Speaker 7: Wood on the field.

1566
01:18:28,627 --> 01:18:32,507
Speaker 14: We've got injury problems and even problems with players actually

1567
01:18:33,307 --> 01:18:36,867
Speaker 14: getting game time as well. I'm concerned about our defenders

1568
01:18:37,627 --> 01:18:39,987
Speaker 14: when they're getting game time. The last time I saw

1569
01:18:40,067 --> 01:18:42,947
Speaker 14: Bill to Ilona didn't have a club. So look, if

1570
01:18:42,987 --> 01:18:46,067
Speaker 14: we can do that, we'll be fine. And then England,

1571
01:18:46,227 --> 01:18:49,867
Speaker 14: I think they've got this generation coming through. Dude Bellingham,

1572
01:18:49,907 --> 01:18:54,107
Speaker 14: Cole Palmer, Harry Kanees last stand, Marcus Rashford, the loona

1573
01:18:54,187 --> 01:18:57,347
Speaker 14: in Barcelona. He is doing well. I think that we

1574
01:18:57,547 --> 01:19:00,347
Speaker 14: can even see a new star merge for England. Josh

1575
01:19:00,467 --> 01:19:03,227
Speaker 14: King from Fulham, nineteen year old winger. Look, I think

1576
01:19:03,267 --> 01:19:05,547
Speaker 14: they're actually are poised to do quite well. I won't

1577
01:19:05,587 --> 01:19:08,147
Speaker 14: say that they'll win the final because of its penalties.

1578
01:19:08,227 --> 01:19:10,947
Speaker 14: You know what they do. They crack the bed, all right?

1579
01:19:11,147 --> 01:19:14,347
Speaker 2: And what about an absolute ruffie for twenty twenty six.

1580
01:19:15,107 --> 01:19:18,227
Speaker 14: Yes, my ruffie is up the Wars to win the

1581
01:19:18,267 --> 01:19:22,987
Speaker 14: Grand Final. No, no, it's not a ruffy pony. The

1582
01:19:23,067 --> 01:19:26,307
Speaker 14: rugby is Ryan Fox to win a major. Ryan Fox

1583
01:19:26,467 --> 01:19:29,467
Speaker 14: to win a major, and I actually do think he's

1584
01:19:29,547 --> 01:19:31,747
Speaker 14: got the skills to do it. He's got the confidence

1585
01:19:31,787 --> 01:19:35,027
Speaker 14: of two big tournament wins last year, including the Canadian Open.

1586
01:19:35,107 --> 01:19:38,107
Speaker 14: So hey, look look out for Brian Fox. But just

1587
01:19:38,227 --> 01:19:40,667
Speaker 14: on the Wars. I think if Luke Metcalf stays healthy,

1588
01:19:40,987 --> 01:19:43,307
Speaker 14: I can see a playoff run for the Warriors. And

1589
01:19:43,427 --> 01:19:46,867
Speaker 14: also watch out for the new recruit from Leeds, morgan Gannon,

1590
01:19:47,227 --> 01:19:50,187
Speaker 14: a tall try scoring second row with a kicking game.

1591
01:19:50,747 --> 01:19:54,467
Speaker 14: He's a superstar in the making. Morgan Gannon, remember the name.

1592
01:19:55,227 --> 01:19:57,267
Speaker 14: Please clip that off and play it back to me

1593
01:19:57,427 --> 01:19:59,747
Speaker 14: when he has a blinder and a two in three

1594
01:19:59,827 --> 01:20:01,627
Speaker 14: months time. Okay, please, pony.

1595
01:20:01,667 --> 01:20:04,467
Speaker 2: Well, have isolated the audio of all of your predictions,

1596
01:20:04,587 --> 01:20:07,667
Speaker 2: including that last one. JA want to start to twenty

1597
01:20:07,747 --> 01:20:10,827
Speaker 2: twenty six for you. I'm so pleased we could renegotiate

1598
01:20:10,947 --> 01:20:11,547
Speaker 2: your presence.

1599
01:20:12,467 --> 01:20:14,707
Speaker 14: Thanks Pineer's runs on the board. I'm going back to

1600
01:20:14,787 --> 01:20:15,507
Speaker 14: doom scrolling.

1601
01:20:15,827 --> 01:20:18,987
Speaker 2: Have fun out there, see you, mate. James mcconey a

1602
01:20:19,107 --> 01:20:22,227
Speaker 2: huge part of our Sundays around this time every Sunday

1603
01:20:22,267 --> 01:20:25,307
Speaker 2: afternoon here on Weekend Sports seven Away from two News talks.

1604
01:20:25,187 --> 01:20:30,747
Speaker 1: Edby analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

1605
01:20:30,947 --> 01:20:34,267
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason pie Nicoll oh eight hundred and

1606
01:20:34,267 --> 01:20:35,507
Speaker 1: eighties and eighty US.

1607
01:20:35,467 --> 01:20:39,147
Speaker 2: Talks eNB fort to two. England batting first at the

1608
01:20:39,267 --> 01:20:41,987
Speaker 2: SCG sixty seven for three with Joe Root and Harry

1609
01:20:42,067 --> 01:20:43,747
Speaker 2: Brook out there. I tell you what Joe Root could

1610
01:20:44,107 --> 01:20:46,267
Speaker 2: do with some runs. He got that big one hundred

1611
01:20:46,307 --> 01:20:47,867
Speaker 2: in Brisbane, hundred and thirty eight not out in the

1612
01:20:47,907 --> 01:20:50,027
Speaker 2: first innings at Brisbane. Take that out of his ashes

1613
01:20:50,587 --> 01:20:53,307
Speaker 2: series and he's got less than one hundred runs across

1614
01:20:53,387 --> 01:20:56,227
Speaker 2: his other seven innings. So this would be a good

1615
01:20:56,267 --> 01:20:58,147
Speaker 2: time for Joe Root to get some runs. He's unbeaten

1616
01:20:58,187 --> 01:21:01,347
Speaker 2: on six Hawy Brooke there on three England sixty seven

1617
01:21:01,467 --> 01:21:03,587
Speaker 2: for three having won the Tyson batted first in the

1618
01:21:03,667 --> 01:21:08,267
Speaker 2: fifth Ashes Test at the SCG. After two o'clock, one

1619
01:21:08,307 --> 01:21:11,667
Speaker 2: of our best amateur golfers, Vivian Lou is going to

1620
01:21:11,787 --> 01:21:15,507
Speaker 2: join us ahead of the Women's Asia Pacific Championship coming

1621
01:21:15,587 --> 01:21:20,947
Speaker 2: up at Royal Wellington in February. A lifelong Manchester United

1622
01:21:21,067 --> 01:21:24,867
Speaker 2: fan on his devotion to the Rare Devils and Ben

1623
01:21:24,907 --> 01:21:26,267
Speaker 2: Francis on the darts.

1624
01:21:27,907 --> 01:21:30,747
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

1625
01:21:30,907 --> 01:21:32,587
Speaker 1: on and after fields.

1626
01:21:33,067 --> 01:21:34,347
Speaker 14: It's all on Weegen s.

1627
01:21:34,387 --> 01:21:39,427
Speaker 1: Ford with Jason Fade on your Home of Sport UK.

1628
01:21:40,707 --> 01:21:43,107
Speaker 2: Hi There seven pass two. This is Weekend Sport on

1629
01:21:43,147 --> 01:21:45,787
Speaker 2: News Talks. There be first Sunday edition for twenty twenty six.

1630
01:21:46,307 --> 01:21:50,147
Speaker 2: What will this year hold? Goodness only knows, but we'll

1631
01:21:50,187 --> 01:21:52,947
Speaker 2: be here for it. Whatever it might be. Another hour

1632
01:21:53,027 --> 01:21:56,027
Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport. Then we'll pass the reins to Adam

1633
01:21:56,107 --> 01:22:00,227
Speaker 2: Cooper for summer weekends. Before we get there, want a

1634
01:22:00,307 --> 01:22:04,387
Speaker 2: chat to a lifelong Manchester United fan who's been through

1635
01:22:04,427 --> 01:22:07,787
Speaker 2: some ups and downs with that football team and has

1636
01:22:07,827 --> 01:22:14,627
Speaker 2: written an e book about his lifelong journey as a

1637
01:22:14,667 --> 01:22:17,707
Speaker 2: Manchester United fan. It's called Heart and Manchester, a KIWI

1638
01:22:17,787 --> 01:22:20,947
Speaker 2: fans football romance. Philip Callaway is the man in question.

1639
01:22:21,107 --> 01:22:24,067
Speaker 2: He will join us this out. We're at the darts

1640
01:22:24,227 --> 01:22:27,107
Speaker 2: where it's all over at Ali Pali and Luke Littler

1641
01:22:27,267 --> 01:22:31,107
Speaker 2: is a back to back world champion. He doesn't turn

1642
01:22:31,227 --> 01:22:34,747
Speaker 2: nineteen for a week or so. This is incredible. Phil Taylor,

1643
01:22:34,747 --> 01:22:39,347
Speaker 2: who won fourteen world championships, didn't win his first one

1644
01:22:40,067 --> 01:22:42,987
Speaker 2: until he was thirty five years old. He won his

1645
01:22:43,147 --> 01:22:48,027
Speaker 2: fourteenth when he was fifty three. So what might Luke

1646
01:22:48,107 --> 01:22:54,307
Speaker 2: Littler do. He's won two before his nineteenth birthday. Absolutely crazy.

1647
01:22:54,627 --> 01:22:57,587
Speaker 2: Ben Francis our darts analyst. I'm going to join us.

1648
01:22:57,627 --> 01:22:59,587
Speaker 2: Vivian Luke is also on the show. She is one

1649
01:22:59,627 --> 01:23:02,827
Speaker 2: of our top women's amateur golfers and she'll be taking

1650
01:23:02,907 --> 01:23:06,627
Speaker 2: part in the Asia Pacific Championship in the middle of

1651
01:23:06,667 --> 01:23:09,867
Speaker 2: February at Royal Wellington. We'll talk a bit about that

1652
01:23:10,107 --> 01:23:13,027
Speaker 2: with Vivian lou and when she may look at turning pro.

1653
01:23:13,267 --> 01:23:15,667
Speaker 2: She's had a very very good couple of years, has

1654
01:23:15,987 --> 01:23:19,387
Speaker 2: recently moved universities in the United States back home for

1655
01:23:19,427 --> 01:23:20,987
Speaker 2: a bit. She's going to chat to us shortly too.

1656
01:23:20,987 --> 01:23:23,347
Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on what's happening in Sydney. Seventy

1657
01:23:23,387 --> 01:23:26,387
Speaker 2: eight for three England batting first with Roots and Brook

1658
01:23:26,507 --> 01:23:30,107
Speaker 2: out there. As you heard Elliott mention in our sports news,

1659
01:23:30,187 --> 01:23:33,587
Speaker 2: the top three all back in the pavilion, Crawley, Ducket

1660
01:23:33,707 --> 01:23:36,987
Speaker 2: and Bethel all out. I work it a piece for Stark,

1661
01:23:37,267 --> 01:23:38,587
Speaker 2: Nissa and Boland.

1662
01:23:40,267 --> 01:23:40,747
Speaker 14: So a.

1663
01:23:42,227 --> 01:23:45,387
Speaker 2: Bit of a middle order resurrection job needed by these two,

1664
01:23:45,507 --> 01:23:50,187
Speaker 2: Joe Root and Harry Brook. Closer to home domestic cricket,

1665
01:23:50,547 --> 01:23:54,507
Speaker 2: Bay Oval, Mount Monganui today doublehead it the Northern brave

1666
01:23:54,627 --> 01:23:56,747
Speaker 2: women up against the sparks. Now we're not allowed to

1667
01:23:56,747 --> 01:24:01,427
Speaker 2: call them Otargo anymore, Otago or not Otago anymore. They

1668
01:24:01,507 --> 01:24:05,427
Speaker 2: are sparks for the women and vaults for the men.

1669
01:24:05,507 --> 01:24:08,427
Speaker 2: You don't say ota anymore. I didn't read why, I

1670
01:24:08,507 --> 01:24:13,987
Speaker 2: can't quite remember, but anyway Northern have of because they

1671
01:24:14,027 --> 01:24:18,627
Speaker 2: include Southland. Is that the reason. That's the reason, okay,

1672
01:24:19,027 --> 01:24:23,307
Speaker 2: Andy is just filled in my knowledge gap. Because they

1673
01:24:23,427 --> 01:24:28,987
Speaker 2: represent both Otago and Southland. They are no longer just Otago.

1674
01:24:29,147 --> 01:24:31,907
Speaker 2: They are will have taken that out. The sparks and

1675
01:24:31,947 --> 01:24:34,027
Speaker 2: the vaults that we go cleared up, just like that.

1676
01:24:34,707 --> 01:24:38,347
Speaker 2: That's why we pay Handy the big dollars as producer

1677
01:24:38,387 --> 01:24:41,867
Speaker 2: of the show. Those dollars will be along shortly, I'm sure,

1678
01:24:42,547 --> 01:24:44,747
Speaker 2: as we always do. Though, to write about this time

1679
01:24:44,827 --> 01:24:47,467
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport, we haven't changed anything in twenty twenty six.

1680
01:24:47,547 --> 01:24:48,787
Speaker 2: We want to keep you up to date with some

1681
01:24:48,867 --> 01:24:50,907
Speaker 2: of the stuff that you may well have a missed

1682
01:24:51,707 --> 01:24:54,707
Speaker 2: as you go about your business during this holiday period.

1683
01:24:54,947 --> 01:24:58,107
Speaker 2: In case you missed it, even at the age of

1684
01:24:58,267 --> 01:25:03,347
Speaker 2: thirty nine, David Warner still has the fireworks. It would

1685
01:25:03,387 --> 01:25:06,067
Speaker 2: appear Warner God deal.

1686
01:25:06,347 --> 01:25:11,627
Speaker 3: He thinks about a second, a second Big Fash.

1687
01:25:11,387 --> 01:25:14,227
Speaker 5: One hundred and fourteen years since his first.

1688
01:25:15,267 --> 01:25:19,747
Speaker 3: The ball with the traditional celebration will play Davy.

1689
01:25:19,547 --> 01:25:23,707
Speaker 2: Warner one hundred and thirty off sixty five balls for

1690
01:25:23,787 --> 01:25:25,627
Speaker 2: the Sydney Thunder and the Big Bash. But it was

1691
01:25:25,667 --> 01:25:28,827
Speaker 2: all for nothing as they went down to the Hobart Hurricanes,

1692
01:25:28,867 --> 01:25:31,747
Speaker 2: who chased down the two hundred and six run target

1693
01:25:32,307 --> 01:25:34,307
Speaker 2: with more than two overs to spare close to the

1694
01:25:34,347 --> 01:25:37,547
Speaker 2: home Canterbury cruising to a win over Central Districts and

1695
01:25:37,627 --> 01:25:40,747
Speaker 2: the Men Super Smash thanks to a big knock from

1696
01:25:40,787 --> 01:25:44,827
Speaker 2: Matthew Boyle. Is that going to be his fifty, Yeah,

1697
01:25:45,027 --> 01:25:45,547
Speaker 2: you bet it.

1698
01:25:46,067 --> 01:25:49,827
Speaker 4: Use his feet beautifully. Just the twenty deliveries to pick

1699
01:25:49,907 --> 01:25:53,267
Speaker 4: up another super smash fifty for Matt Boyle Waterer innings.

1700
01:25:53,427 --> 01:25:57,467
Speaker 2: He finished unbeaten on seventy three or thirty, leading Canterbury

1701
01:25:57,507 --> 01:26:00,067
Speaker 2: to a nine wicked win over cd In. They're chase

1702
01:26:00,147 --> 01:26:03,187
Speaker 2: for just one hundred and thirty nine in Neilson to

1703
01:26:03,307 --> 01:26:06,227
Speaker 2: the Premier League. Arsenal continue to lead the way at

1704
01:26:06,387 --> 01:26:12,267
Speaker 2: the top. I've heard it good sack and that's race again.

1705
01:26:12,507 --> 01:26:16,187
Speaker 17: He's got two, Arthur have got three and they are

1706
01:26:16,307 --> 01:26:20,027
Speaker 17: putting themselves in position to go six points there in the.

1707
01:26:20,067 --> 01:26:23,707
Speaker 2: Town, which they did, holding off Bournemouth three to two.

1708
01:26:23,947 --> 01:26:26,147
Speaker 2: Aston Villa have jumped to seek in the head of

1709
01:26:26,227 --> 01:26:27,827
Speaker 2: Manchester City for now.

1710
01:26:29,107 --> 01:26:35,227
Speaker 17: Oh where's Chong pickturek on John McGinn for Aston. It's

1711
01:26:35,267 --> 01:26:40,027
Speaker 17: an absolute gift from the Nottingham Forest goalkeeper and McGinn

1712
01:26:40,147 --> 01:26:42,547
Speaker 17: helps himself to a second goal in the game.

1713
01:26:43,147 --> 01:26:47,907
Speaker 2: Here Villa three one victors over Nottingham Forest and pigs

1714
01:26:47,947 --> 01:26:51,907
Speaker 2: have flown. The world is flipped on its axis. Wolverhampton

1715
01:26:51,987 --> 01:26:55,747
Speaker 2: Wanderers have won a game of football. That's nice. Maney

1716
01:26:56,067 --> 01:26:57,547
Speaker 2: away from the Gussa, It's.

1717
01:26:57,507 --> 01:27:04,787
Speaker 17: Potasta to the teenager on a moment Wolves.

1718
01:27:05,907 --> 01:27:10,467
Speaker 3: West won for before the Hunt and waters in wonder.

1719
01:27:10,307 --> 01:27:14,547
Speaker 1: Lodest breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails

1720
01:27:16,107 --> 01:27:19,027
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News Talk.

1721
01:27:19,227 --> 01:27:23,747
Speaker 2: Zenby thirteen past two. Yeah, that was Wolf's twentieth game

1722
01:27:24,347 --> 01:27:27,907
Speaker 2: of the Premier League season, their first win, first win

1723
01:27:27,987 --> 01:27:31,347
Speaker 2: in twenty games. It moved them to six points. They've

1724
01:27:31,387 --> 01:27:35,547
Speaker 2: also had three draws and sixteen defeats, so while it

1725
01:27:35,707 --> 01:27:39,947
Speaker 2: is a little glimmer of hope, they are still twelve

1726
01:27:40,067 --> 01:27:44,027
Speaker 2: points off the relegation spots, or twelve points off the

1727
01:27:44,547 --> 01:27:48,067
Speaker 2: team who is currently seventeenth. That's Nottingham Forest. Wolves a

1728
01:27:48,347 --> 01:27:50,667
Speaker 2: dead set to go down and could well could well

1729
01:27:50,787 --> 01:27:53,907
Speaker 2: be the worst ever in terms of points accumulation in

1730
01:27:53,987 --> 01:27:56,067
Speaker 2: a Premier League season, but good on them and their

1731
01:27:56,107 --> 01:27:58,307
Speaker 2: fans for getting a win over west Ham this morning.

1732
01:27:59,067 --> 01:28:01,627
Speaker 2: The Royal Wellington Golf Club is hosting the eighth edition

1733
01:28:01,707 --> 01:28:05,147
Speaker 2: of the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship from February twelveth

1734
01:28:05,147 --> 01:28:08,027
Speaker 2: through fifteen next year, bringing together the region's best young

1735
01:28:08,107 --> 01:28:12,627
Speaker 2: amateur women's golfers and the winner earns starts in three

1736
01:28:12,947 --> 01:28:16,907
Speaker 2: major championships this year. Eighty four players from twenty eight

1737
01:28:16,987 --> 01:28:20,027
Speaker 2: country set to contest the tournament. Nine of those are

1738
01:28:20,107 --> 01:28:23,627
Speaker 2: from New Zealand. Among them Vivian Lou who is currently

1739
01:28:23,747 --> 01:28:27,387
Speaker 2: ranked ninety fourth in the World Amateur Golf rankings, the

1740
01:28:27,507 --> 01:28:30,987
Speaker 2: second best Kei We. She'll be making her sixth Women's

1741
01:28:31,267 --> 01:28:34,787
Speaker 2: Amateur Asia Pacific Championship appearance this year. That will equal

1742
01:28:34,867 --> 01:28:38,627
Speaker 2: the most appearances by any player. Vivian lewis with us. Vivian,

1743
01:28:38,667 --> 01:28:40,267
Speaker 2: thank you for taking the time. How much you're looking

1744
01:28:40,307 --> 01:28:43,307
Speaker 2: forward to playing this tournament on home soil in about

1745
01:28:43,347 --> 01:28:44,227
Speaker 2: six weeks from now.

1746
01:28:45,067 --> 01:28:47,027
Speaker 16: I am so excited to be able to play this

1747
01:28:47,227 --> 01:28:50,067
Speaker 16: event at home. I've played this event, like you said,

1748
01:28:50,147 --> 01:28:53,227
Speaker 16: six times all over Asia and so it'd be nice

1749
01:28:53,267 --> 01:28:55,067
Speaker 16: to be back at home and have all my friends

1750
01:28:55,147 --> 01:28:55,947
Speaker 16: come to New Zealand.

1751
01:28:56,587 --> 01:29:00,307
Speaker 2: How big and incentive is the chance to earn invitations

1752
01:29:00,387 --> 01:29:03,427
Speaker 2: to three of the five women's majors for the winner

1753
01:29:03,507 --> 01:29:04,227
Speaker 2: of this tournament.

1754
01:29:05,387 --> 01:29:08,907
Speaker 16: It's huge. Being able to go playing majors is like

1755
01:29:09,947 --> 01:29:12,507
Speaker 16: just like would be incredible. You get such good experience

1756
01:29:12,627 --> 01:29:15,267
Speaker 16: playing with the best and the best, so it would

1757
01:29:15,267 --> 01:29:15,787
Speaker 16: be amazing.

1758
01:29:16,307 --> 01:29:20,107
Speaker 2: Tell us about the other tournaments, the other women's Amateur

1759
01:29:20,107 --> 01:29:22,787
Speaker 2: Asia Pacific tournaments you've played in, as you say, six,

1760
01:29:22,947 --> 01:29:27,507
Speaker 2: which is a record. What's the vibe like, what are

1761
01:29:27,587 --> 01:29:30,267
Speaker 2: your best memories of the tournaments that you've played in

1762
01:29:30,387 --> 01:29:30,867
Speaker 2: up till now.

1763
01:29:33,427 --> 01:29:37,187
Speaker 16: I think my favorite one so far was the one

1764
01:29:37,267 --> 01:29:40,787
Speaker 16: in Thailand. I think they hosted Advice in Thailand. It

1765
01:29:40,907 --> 01:29:43,347
Speaker 16: was just so cool. The golf course was amazing, and

1766
01:29:43,707 --> 01:29:47,347
Speaker 16: hospitality in Thailand was amazing as well. But I think

1767
01:29:47,987 --> 01:29:50,307
Speaker 16: over the past few years playing in this event, I've

1768
01:29:50,347 --> 01:29:52,987
Speaker 16: just got to like make new friends from different countries

1769
01:29:53,067 --> 01:29:55,627
Speaker 16: and I'm still friends with them like now, and I

1770
01:29:55,707 --> 01:29:58,387
Speaker 16: see them playing over in the US and so it's

1771
01:29:58,427 --> 01:29:59,987
Speaker 16: really nice to have these friendships.

1772
01:30:00,267 --> 01:30:04,267
Speaker 2: Awesome. Now, you've recently moved from the University of Washington

1773
01:30:04,467 --> 01:30:08,147
Speaker 2: to the University of Texas. Tell us how this all

1774
01:30:08,227 --> 01:30:08,707
Speaker 2: came about.

1775
01:30:09,827 --> 01:30:14,547
Speaker 16: Yes, I did so. My head coach at Washington was retiring,

1776
01:30:14,747 --> 01:30:17,747
Speaker 16: so I decided it was time for a new change,

1777
01:30:18,907 --> 01:30:21,147
Speaker 16: so I entered the portal lastter my season was over

1778
01:30:21,547 --> 01:30:25,627
Speaker 16: and decided to go to Texas. And it's been It's

1779
01:30:25,707 --> 01:30:28,427
Speaker 16: definitely been a bit of an adjustion for me this

1780
01:30:29,347 --> 01:30:32,547
Speaker 16: fall seasons, but I'm really loving Texas and all my

1781
01:30:32,627 --> 01:30:35,867
Speaker 16: teammates and my coaches over there. I'm having a great

1782
01:30:35,907 --> 01:30:36,467
Speaker 16: time over there.

1783
01:30:36,707 --> 01:30:38,547
Speaker 2: When you say you've hit to make a few adjustments,

1784
01:30:38,587 --> 01:30:39,547
Speaker 2: what have been the big ones?

1785
01:30:40,627 --> 01:30:45,067
Speaker 16: I think just like scheduling. I think over at Washington,

1786
01:30:45,147 --> 01:30:47,467
Speaker 16: I was definitely, you know, allowed to have a bit

1787
01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:50,227
Speaker 16: more of my own time. But it takes us. Everyone

1788
01:30:50,387 --> 01:30:53,467
Speaker 16: is very hungry, and so we're working a lot harder

1789
01:30:53,507 --> 01:30:55,627
Speaker 16: over there, and we practiced a lot over there.

1790
01:30:56,147 --> 01:30:57,947
Speaker 2: Did you have any trouble getting tom Off to come

1791
01:30:58,027 --> 01:30:58,987
Speaker 2: down for this event.

1792
01:31:01,027 --> 01:31:03,707
Speaker 16: A little bit. Coach was a little hesitant to let

1793
01:31:03,827 --> 01:31:06,947
Speaker 16: me go, just because there is another total that it

1794
01:31:07,027 --> 01:31:10,787
Speaker 16: clashes with with my college schedule. But she did let

1795
01:31:10,827 --> 01:31:13,547
Speaker 16: me go. I did some persuading. I told her I

1796
01:31:13,667 --> 01:31:15,387
Speaker 16: was at home and it was really important for me.

1797
01:31:15,627 --> 01:31:16,427
Speaker 16: So she let me go.

1798
01:31:16,907 --> 01:31:18,547
Speaker 2: Good. Well, there's no way she could stand in the

1799
01:31:18,587 --> 01:31:21,667
Speaker 2: way of that. Surely you talked about that. You talk

1800
01:31:21,707 --> 01:31:27,427
Speaker 2: about the transfer portal. I understand that the reaction to

1801
01:31:27,507 --> 01:31:31,027
Speaker 2: you putting your name in there was almost instantaneous. Can

1802
01:31:31,107 --> 01:31:31,867
Speaker 2: you tell us about that?

1803
01:31:34,107 --> 01:31:38,067
Speaker 16: Yeah, so I think I knew because my head coach

1804
01:31:38,147 --> 01:31:39,987
Speaker 16: was retiring and I didn't know who the next coach was.

1805
01:31:40,027 --> 01:31:41,627
Speaker 16: I didn't really want to be left in the dock

1806
01:31:41,667 --> 01:31:44,987
Speaker 16: a little bit. And so, you know, I really respect

1807
01:31:45,027 --> 01:31:47,147
Speaker 16: Mary Lucy's my head coach, and so I had a

1808
01:31:47,187 --> 01:31:49,307
Speaker 16: really good relationship with her. I actually caught up with

1809
01:31:49,387 --> 01:31:52,667
Speaker 16: her not long ago. But yeah, I just decided it

1810
01:31:52,787 --> 01:31:55,947
Speaker 16: was time for a change and new opportunities and for

1811
01:31:56,067 --> 01:31:56,587
Speaker 16: better weather.

1812
01:31:57,867 --> 01:32:01,067
Speaker 2: As Washington not hit nice where there was no in.

1813
01:32:01,107 --> 01:32:04,227
Speaker 16: The winter, it does get snowy and really really cold

1814
01:32:04,267 --> 01:32:07,067
Speaker 16: and you can't quite practice in the winter time. But

1815
01:32:07,267 --> 01:32:09,707
Speaker 16: Texas the weather is quite nice over there all the time.

1816
01:32:09,947 --> 01:32:12,547
Speaker 2: Fantastic During your time at Washington, now you have, you know,

1817
01:32:12,667 --> 01:32:15,787
Speaker 2: you had some real, real success, five top eleven results

1818
01:32:15,827 --> 01:32:18,987
Speaker 2: across the twenty four to twenty five collegiate season. Your

1819
01:32:19,027 --> 01:32:22,907
Speaker 2: first NCAA when how significant were the you know, the

1820
01:32:22,947 --> 01:32:26,107
Speaker 2: twelve to eighteen months or the time you spent in

1821
01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:27,747
Speaker 2: Washington for your golf career.

1822
01:32:29,347 --> 01:32:33,547
Speaker 16: I loved Washington. My best friend was there, and I

1823
01:32:33,747 --> 01:32:36,667
Speaker 16: just felt like Seattle was my home and my and

1824
01:32:36,787 --> 01:32:40,067
Speaker 16: I made such good friends with like my roommates. They

1825
01:32:40,147 --> 01:32:42,307
Speaker 16: played on the basketball team, so I had like such

1826
01:32:42,387 --> 01:32:46,467
Speaker 16: great friendships and being able to play like freely over

1827
01:32:46,547 --> 01:32:49,227
Speaker 16: there was really nice, Like freshman year, I didn't play

1828
01:32:49,307 --> 01:32:51,747
Speaker 16: so good, and sophomore year I kind of locked in

1829
01:32:51,947 --> 01:32:55,547
Speaker 16: and decided to play some better golf, and it was

1830
01:32:55,667 --> 01:32:57,427
Speaker 16: just it was great playing in purple.

1831
01:32:57,587 --> 01:33:01,027
Speaker 2: But yeah, where do you think the big improvements have

1832
01:33:01,147 --> 01:33:03,827
Speaker 2: come in your game? Let's say in the last twelve

1833
01:33:03,907 --> 01:33:04,867
Speaker 2: to eighteen months or so.

1834
01:33:06,187 --> 01:33:09,387
Speaker 16: I think as a freshman, everything's very new, and I

1835
01:33:09,587 --> 01:33:13,587
Speaker 16: was never really used to playing such a busy schedule.

1836
01:33:13,747 --> 01:33:15,587
Speaker 16: Like in New Zealand, I kind of pick and chose

1837
01:33:15,667 --> 01:33:18,347
Speaker 16: what I played. But in college, you don't really have

1838
01:33:18,427 --> 01:33:20,747
Speaker 16: a stay and you'd play a pretty packed seat, a

1839
01:33:20,907 --> 01:33:24,627
Speaker 16: pretty pack season. I think we play like at least

1840
01:33:25,387 --> 01:33:29,467
Speaker 16: six each like each half, So we'll play like six

1841
01:33:29,587 --> 01:33:32,147
Speaker 16: in the fall and then six in the spring, more

1842
01:33:32,227 --> 01:33:34,987
Speaker 16: than six in the spring, and so it's pretty fall

1843
01:33:35,067 --> 01:33:38,027
Speaker 16: on while balancing school and life and you know, trying

1844
01:33:38,067 --> 01:33:41,347
Speaker 16: to figure out like how to do life by myself

1845
01:33:41,467 --> 01:33:44,307
Speaker 16: not having my parents, and that's being a really good

1846
01:33:44,387 --> 01:33:45,027
Speaker 16: life lesson.

1847
01:33:45,627 --> 01:33:47,547
Speaker 2: When did you first pick up a golf club as

1848
01:33:47,587 --> 01:33:49,027
Speaker 2: a as a young girl.

1849
01:33:50,427 --> 01:33:52,507
Speaker 16: I started picking up a golf club when I was nine.

1850
01:33:52,547 --> 01:33:56,147
Speaker 16: I'd tell the same story to everyone. My dad bribed

1851
01:33:56,187 --> 01:33:58,627
Speaker 16: me with my iPad, He said, if I didn't go

1852
01:33:58,827 --> 01:34:01,667
Speaker 16: practice a bucket of balls each day, I wouldn't give

1853
01:34:01,707 --> 01:34:04,987
Speaker 16: an iPad. So I'd go out and have a swing,

1854
01:34:05,107 --> 01:34:06,787
Speaker 16: hit my bucket of balls, and go home and go

1855
01:34:06,907 --> 01:34:07,547
Speaker 16: on my iPad.

1856
01:34:08,707 --> 01:34:11,667
Speaker 2: What a brilliant bribe from your dad. And knew exactly.

1857
01:34:12,147 --> 01:34:14,547
Speaker 2: I knew exactly obviously how to get you out there

1858
01:34:14,587 --> 01:34:17,267
Speaker 2: heading balls. But when did it become something that actually

1859
01:34:17,307 --> 01:34:19,587
Speaker 2: you thought, Look, I actually enjoyed this, I'm quite good

1860
01:34:19,627 --> 01:34:21,947
Speaker 2: at it. When did you start taking it seriously?

1861
01:34:22,947 --> 01:34:23,147
Speaker 13: Well?

1862
01:34:23,387 --> 01:34:25,427
Speaker 16: I started falling in love with playing golf when I

1863
01:34:25,587 --> 01:34:28,067
Speaker 16: was after my first tournament and I didn't play good

1864
01:34:28,067 --> 01:34:30,867
Speaker 16: at all. I actually came second to last, but the

1865
01:34:30,987 --> 01:34:33,107
Speaker 16: girl that I played with came second, and it was

1866
01:34:33,187 --> 01:34:35,667
Speaker 16: really inspiring to see how well she played. And so

1867
01:34:36,107 --> 01:34:37,747
Speaker 16: from that moment I was like, yeah, I really want

1868
01:34:37,787 --> 01:34:38,707
Speaker 16: to take this seriously.

1869
01:34:39,387 --> 01:34:40,347
Speaker 2: So how old were you then?

1870
01:34:41,267 --> 01:34:43,787
Speaker 16: I think I was ken. I'm still really little.

1871
01:34:44,067 --> 01:34:47,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so tell us about the you know, your

1872
01:34:47,547 --> 01:34:51,387
Speaker 2: development to the point where you know, the idea of

1873
01:34:51,507 --> 01:34:55,227
Speaker 2: playing golf in the college system in the US became

1874
01:34:55,307 --> 01:34:58,067
Speaker 2: a reality. Did you just your improvement over your teenage

1875
01:34:58,147 --> 01:35:02,587
Speaker 2: years was just was quite significant. By the sounds of it, yeah,

1876
01:35:02,707 --> 01:35:04,467
Speaker 2: So I grew up as like over.

1877
01:35:04,707 --> 01:35:07,067
Speaker 16: As I grew up, I played for and then I

1878
01:35:07,147 --> 01:35:09,827
Speaker 16: played for New Zealand and got to travel to all

1879
01:35:09,907 --> 01:35:12,307
Speaker 16: these places playing for New Zealand. So I was such

1880
01:35:12,347 --> 01:35:15,147
Speaker 16: a great experience and I'm very grateful for Golf New Zealand.

1881
01:35:15,227 --> 01:35:19,307
Speaker 16: And after that, I think I was like sixteen sixteen.

1882
01:35:19,347 --> 01:35:22,227
Speaker 16: I think I was sixteen and then started reaching out

1883
01:35:22,267 --> 01:35:25,067
Speaker 16: to schools and Washington reached out to me, and there

1884
01:35:25,107 --> 01:35:26,987
Speaker 16: are there have been quite a few key we girls

1885
01:35:27,027 --> 01:35:29,547
Speaker 16: who've gone to Washington, so I thought it would make

1886
01:35:29,627 --> 01:35:32,267
Speaker 16: sense for me to go. I took a visit to

1887
01:35:32,507 --> 01:35:34,427
Speaker 16: Washington and I was like, wow, I think I really

1888
01:35:34,547 --> 01:35:36,267
Speaker 16: liked this place, so I decided to go there.

1889
01:35:36,667 --> 01:35:40,067
Speaker 2: Amazing And I guess as far as as role models,

1890
01:35:40,507 --> 01:35:44,307
Speaker 2: I concerned those to look up to, Lydia Co has been,

1891
01:35:44,387 --> 01:35:47,227
Speaker 2: as we all know, just an absolute trial blazer in

1892
01:35:47,267 --> 01:35:49,467
Speaker 2: the women's game. Here has she been someone who has

1893
01:35:49,907 --> 01:35:50,587
Speaker 2: influenced you?

1894
01:35:51,947 --> 01:35:54,787
Speaker 16: Yes, Lydia is such an inspiration to me. I think

1895
01:35:54,827 --> 01:35:57,947
Speaker 16: I've watched her since I was little, and I've actually

1896
01:35:57,987 --> 01:36:01,507
Speaker 16: had the opportunity to practice with her. Last month, me

1897
01:36:01,587 --> 01:36:03,587
Speaker 16: and a couple other girls, we had the opportunity to

1898
01:36:03,667 --> 01:36:06,747
Speaker 16: fly out to San Francisco to spend four days with her,

1899
01:36:07,027 --> 01:36:11,907
Speaker 16: just playing, training, practicing with her. And she's just such

1900
01:36:11,907 --> 01:36:13,427
Speaker 16: an incredible, humble person.

1901
01:36:14,227 --> 01:36:16,427
Speaker 2: Amazing. And you also you were in Chasing the Fox

1902
01:36:16,827 --> 01:36:17,667
Speaker 2: as well. How was that?

1903
01:36:18,227 --> 01:36:21,147
Speaker 16: Yes, that was incredible. I've never played in front of

1904
01:36:21,267 --> 01:36:23,707
Speaker 16: such a big crowd before four thousand people, I think

1905
01:36:23,827 --> 01:36:26,227
Speaker 16: at least, and playing at my home club were a

1906
01:36:26,227 --> 01:36:28,867
Speaker 16: welcome to my home club. So it was really fun.

1907
01:36:28,907 --> 01:36:31,067
Speaker 16: I saw a lot of my friends out there. It

1908
01:36:31,187 --> 01:36:33,827
Speaker 16: was It was incredible playing with Amelia and Tanya.

1909
01:36:34,107 --> 01:36:35,787
Speaker 2: You guys did right. I think you were tied second,

1910
01:36:35,787 --> 01:36:36,147
Speaker 2: wouldn't you?

1911
01:36:37,027 --> 01:36:39,307
Speaker 16: We were ti second. We were so close. We were

1912
01:36:39,387 --> 01:36:40,467
Speaker 16: just off by one.

1913
01:36:40,347 --> 01:36:45,307
Speaker 2: Shot behind Daniel Hillia and Ryan Fox. It's not too bad.

1914
01:36:45,427 --> 01:36:45,627
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1915
01:36:46,227 --> 01:36:47,987
Speaker 16: And we played off the same teeth as them.

1916
01:36:48,387 --> 01:36:52,627
Speaker 2: Amazing. Oh cool? Yeah, cool. So I guess the question

1917
01:36:52,747 --> 01:36:55,507
Speaker 2: you will obviously get asked quite a bit. The vienna

1918
01:36:55,907 --> 01:37:00,227
Speaker 2: is turning pro what's the process behind that? It's something

1919
01:37:00,307 --> 01:37:02,867
Speaker 2: you want to do, presumably.

1920
01:37:03,267 --> 01:37:06,707
Speaker 16: Yes, definitely, Well, I definitely want to graduate. Like I'm

1921
01:37:06,827 --> 01:37:09,467
Speaker 16: very close to graduating. I only have this year and

1922
01:37:09,587 --> 01:37:11,667
Speaker 16: next year, so I think I'm going to graduate get

1923
01:37:11,707 --> 01:37:15,547
Speaker 16: my degree and then go to Q school. Q schools

1924
01:37:15,707 --> 01:37:20,307
Speaker 16: like there's three stages to Q school, and everyone plays

1925
01:37:20,307 --> 01:37:22,667
Speaker 16: stage one and if you like make top whatever. I

1926
01:37:22,707 --> 01:37:24,987
Speaker 16: think it's like top forty or so, I'm not actually

1927
01:37:25,027 --> 01:37:27,027
Speaker 16: too sure, you make it to stage two. And then

1928
01:37:27,347 --> 01:37:30,507
Speaker 16: whoever makes like the top whatever for stage two makes

1929
01:37:30,547 --> 01:37:32,227
Speaker 16: it to stage three. And then if you make it

1930
01:37:32,467 --> 01:37:35,067
Speaker 16: top whatever in stage three, you get your LPGA Tour card.

1931
01:37:35,987 --> 01:37:39,027
Speaker 16: So that's probably what I'm going to do after I graduate.

1932
01:37:39,787 --> 01:37:42,427
Speaker 2: How much of a goal is the LPGA Tour for you?

1933
01:37:43,387 --> 01:37:45,267
Speaker 16: It's been a dream since I was a little girl.

1934
01:37:46,467 --> 01:37:47,987
Speaker 16: Just being able to play with the best of the

1935
01:37:48,187 --> 01:37:51,467
Speaker 16: s and when majors and lpgadvans has always just been

1936
01:37:51,507 --> 01:37:54,907
Speaker 16: my dream. So yeah, that'd be so cool for me

1937
01:37:54,987 --> 01:37:55,307
Speaker 16: to do that.

1938
01:37:55,747 --> 01:37:57,947
Speaker 2: Well, look forward to tracking your career your first point

1939
01:37:57,947 --> 01:38:02,227
Speaker 2: of business. So as the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship

1940
01:38:02,307 --> 01:38:04,627
Speaker 2: at Royal Wellington in the middle of February, Vivian, it's

1941
01:38:04,667 --> 01:38:06,867
Speaker 2: been such a delight chatting to you all the best

1942
01:38:06,907 --> 01:38:09,067
Speaker 2: for this tournament and for what lies ahead. We look

1943
01:38:09,107 --> 01:38:11,427
Speaker 2: forward to tracking your career with great interest.

1944
01:38:11,747 --> 01:38:13,707
Speaker 16: Thank you so much for having me, No, thank you for.

1945
01:38:13,747 --> 01:38:17,107
Speaker 2: Joining US Vivian Vivian lou There our second ranked women's

1946
01:38:17,147 --> 01:38:20,627
Speaker 2: amateur golfer, one of nine taking part at the Amateur

1947
01:38:20,707 --> 01:38:24,627
Speaker 2: Asia Pacific Championship at Royal Wellington between February twelve and

1948
01:38:24,827 --> 01:38:27,427
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty four. Take a break, come back and

1949
01:38:27,467 --> 01:38:30,147
Speaker 2: wrap the darts. So Luke Littler is back to back

1950
01:38:30,227 --> 01:38:33,427
Speaker 2: world champion. Our Darts analyst Ben Francis after.

1951
01:38:33,347 --> 01:38:38,187
Speaker 1: This, don't get caught off side eighty Weekend Sports with

1952
01:38:38,427 --> 01:38:42,507
Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gardnerhoves New Zealand's most trusted home

1953
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1954
01:38:44,507 --> 01:38:47,347
Speaker 2: To twenty seven. Defending champ Luke Littler has become just

1955
01:38:47,427 --> 01:38:49,867
Speaker 2: a fourth player in history to win back to back

1956
01:38:49,987 --> 01:38:55,027
Speaker 2: World Darts Championship titles. BOMB four seven.

1957
01:38:57,627 --> 01:38:58,267
Speaker 7: So when.

1958
01:39:02,507 --> 01:39:14,387
Speaker 2: Goody twenty yeah Dutchman Gown van Fane won the first

1959
01:39:14,507 --> 01:39:17,307
Speaker 2: set in the best of what was the best of

1960
01:39:17,347 --> 01:39:21,987
Speaker 2: fifteen first to seven decider at Alexandra Palace, but Luke

1961
01:39:22,267 --> 01:39:26,627
Speaker 2: the Nuke exploded by claiming the next seven sets, best

1962
01:39:26,667 --> 01:39:29,707
Speaker 2: of thirteen. On the bounce, Our Darts analyst of Ben

1963
01:39:29,827 --> 01:39:32,147
Speaker 2: Francis back with us. Ben, thanks for joining. As you

1964
01:39:32,147 --> 01:39:34,627
Speaker 2: mentioned yesterday, Look little I hadn't been put under any

1965
01:39:34,747 --> 01:39:38,507
Speaker 2: pressure in this tournament, which might be a factor in

1966
01:39:38,667 --> 01:39:42,427
Speaker 2: the final, but he simply blew fun Fane away. Was

1967
01:39:42,507 --> 01:39:45,267
Speaker 2: this as comprehensive a win as you've seen?

1968
01:39:46,787 --> 01:39:49,507
Speaker 13: Yeah, you good a piney, I think definitely in recent

1969
01:39:49,627 --> 01:39:54,787
Speaker 13: memory has been. It was just absolutely mind boggling how

1970
01:39:55,067 --> 01:39:58,787
Speaker 13: quickly the game turned. He touched on there. Van Veen

1971
01:39:58,867 --> 01:40:01,387
Speaker 13: took the first set after both players miss starts, and

1972
01:40:01,467 --> 01:40:04,507
Speaker 13: there were a lot of edgy moments between both players,

1973
01:40:04,507 --> 01:40:07,507
Speaker 13: and then Van ven miss double eight to take the

1974
01:40:07,707 --> 01:40:11,947
Speaker 13: second sets with three nil. He missed and he just

1975
01:40:12,067 --> 01:40:14,907
Speaker 13: literally literally did not get another looking after that. Luke

1976
01:40:14,987 --> 01:40:18,227
Speaker 13: Little just down the switch and just just ran away

1977
01:40:18,267 --> 01:40:20,587
Speaker 13: with it. And it was you know, the whole game

1978
01:40:20,667 --> 01:40:24,027
Speaker 13: took about forty minutes in terms of actual action. Bit

1979
01:40:24,067 --> 01:40:25,987
Speaker 13: of blood on the dark border, the ali Pelly was

1980
01:40:26,227 --> 01:40:29,027
Speaker 13: making appearance, and that was probably been one of the

1981
01:40:29,067 --> 01:40:31,147
Speaker 13: most exciting things about the whole game. It was just

1982
01:40:31,987 --> 01:40:33,987
Speaker 13: but that was just because of how dominant it was.

1983
01:40:34,107 --> 01:40:37,787
Speaker 13: And look, look, Vanzene wasn't bad. It was just that

1984
01:40:38,307 --> 01:40:42,227
Speaker 13: Luke Little was just that good and just that continuous scoring,

1985
01:40:42,347 --> 01:40:44,587
Speaker 13: just putting his opponent under pressure was just enough to

1986
01:40:45,027 --> 01:40:47,787
Speaker 13: make Zanzine crumble and once his body language changed and

1987
01:40:47,827 --> 01:40:49,947
Speaker 13: started slouching a bit, loucallelone knew that.

1988
01:40:50,027 --> 01:40:52,347
Speaker 2: And he just ran away with it, and not just

1989
01:40:52,427 --> 01:40:56,307
Speaker 2: in the final bend, but across the entire tournament. Three

1990
01:40:56,387 --> 01:40:59,387
Speaker 2: love three, love four, love four to two, five love six, one,

1991
01:40:59,587 --> 01:41:03,347
Speaker 2: seven to one. Those are his results across the seven

1992
01:41:03,467 --> 01:41:06,867
Speaker 2: matches he's played. That's thirty two sets, one and just

1993
01:41:07,187 --> 01:41:11,187
Speaker 2: four lost in the entire tournament in a game of

1994
01:41:11,307 --> 01:41:14,867
Speaker 2: peaks and troughs. How rare is that sort of dominance?

1995
01:41:16,267 --> 01:41:18,187
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think you probably have to probably go back

1996
01:41:18,227 --> 01:41:20,347
Speaker 13: to someone like a Phil Taylor. It's kind of has

1997
01:41:20,467 --> 01:41:22,947
Speaker 13: that sort of dominance. But of course Phil Taylor didn't

1998
01:41:22,947 --> 01:41:24,947
Speaker 13: play in a tat them with one hundred and twenty

1999
01:41:24,987 --> 01:41:28,267
Speaker 13: eight players. Tournament te played and were much shorter or

2000
01:41:28,987 --> 01:41:32,107
Speaker 13: shorter formats in terms of the amount of players taking passon.

2001
01:41:32,307 --> 01:41:35,107
Speaker 13: But yeah, I think that that was just incredible how

2002
01:41:35,227 --> 01:41:40,587
Speaker 13: he managed just to beat everyone quite convincingly. And some

2003
01:41:40,707 --> 01:41:42,827
Speaker 13: of these top players, the longer the tournament goes on,

2004
01:41:43,027 --> 01:41:44,987
Speaker 13: it's kind of like the better, I guess in terms

2005
01:41:45,027 --> 01:41:48,107
Speaker 13: of that they know how to play these longer formats better,

2006
01:41:48,667 --> 01:41:51,427
Speaker 13: So they're just a lot more comfortable in the situation.

2007
01:41:52,387 --> 01:41:55,787
Speaker 13: It's definitely probably I mean, Phil Taylor won sixteen will

2008
01:41:55,867 --> 01:41:57,667
Speaker 13: title is probably packed one, and that's probably the last

2009
01:41:57,707 --> 01:42:00,467
Speaker 13: time someone was as dominant as that. But you'd definitely

2010
01:42:00,467 --> 01:42:02,187
Speaker 13: be going back quite a few years to find a

2011
01:42:02,267 --> 01:42:06,987
Speaker 13: performance across the whole tournament where someone was so dominant

2012
01:42:06,987 --> 01:42:09,867
Speaker 13: and didn't really get under that much pressure.

2013
01:42:11,467 --> 01:42:14,947
Speaker 2: Just on Phil Taylor. Luck Littler's about to turn nineteen.

2014
01:42:15,147 --> 01:42:17,387
Speaker 2: Phil Taylor, I think, won the first of his sixteen

2015
01:42:17,427 --> 01:42:21,147
Speaker 2: world titles either in his late twenties or early thirties.

2016
01:42:21,187 --> 01:42:24,107
Speaker 2: See won his last one when he was fifty three.

2017
01:42:25,067 --> 01:42:27,747
Speaker 2: What might Luke Littler go on to achieve?

2018
01:42:29,707 --> 01:42:33,587
Speaker 13: I mean, that's a that's a hard question to answer, Piney,

2019
01:42:33,707 --> 01:42:37,387
Speaker 13: because it's darts is in a very interesting place at

2020
01:42:37,387 --> 01:42:39,427
Speaker 13: the moment and such stuff we've touched on before in

2021
01:42:39,547 --> 01:42:41,387
Speaker 13: terms of the amount of young guys coming through the

2022
01:42:41,467 --> 01:42:44,467
Speaker 13: ranks and a lot how much more competitive the game's

2023
01:42:44,467 --> 01:42:46,747
Speaker 13: going to be. Look, Taylor played in an era where

2024
01:42:46,747 --> 01:42:49,187
Speaker 13: there was an absolute great to the game, no doubt

2025
01:42:49,187 --> 01:42:51,947
Speaker 13: about that, but lots of those guys tended to hang

2026
01:42:51,987 --> 01:42:54,427
Speaker 13: around a lot more. But you find it in today's

2027
01:42:54,707 --> 01:42:56,707
Speaker 13: kind of era that some of these guys might have

2028
01:42:57,267 --> 01:42:59,427
Speaker 13: their five ten years at the top and then saying, no,

2029
01:43:00,307 --> 01:43:02,747
Speaker 13: I've had my time, I'm done. So lots of them

2030
01:43:02,827 --> 01:43:05,627
Speaker 13: really depends on how long Luke Littler really wants to

2031
01:43:05,667 --> 01:43:08,507
Speaker 13: hang around for. There's no doubt that he will. You know,

2032
01:43:09,107 --> 01:43:11,267
Speaker 13: as long as he's around, he's going to be competing

2033
01:43:11,307 --> 01:43:12,867
Speaker 13: for the titles as long as he wants to be

2034
01:43:12,987 --> 01:43:15,507
Speaker 13: as well, So lots of it's probably going to depend

2035
01:43:15,587 --> 01:43:18,347
Speaker 13: on in terms of how long he wants to play

2036
01:43:18,427 --> 01:43:20,107
Speaker 13: the game. You know, might he might have an age

2037
01:43:20,147 --> 01:43:22,467
Speaker 13: that he's twenty five and he's saying I've done everything

2038
01:43:23,027 --> 01:43:25,587
Speaker 13: I can, I'm done. You just don't know, because he's

2039
01:43:25,827 --> 01:43:27,787
Speaker 13: been that good and so dominant at a young age

2040
01:43:27,827 --> 01:43:30,467
Speaker 13: as well. So I think it's definitely something where time

2041
01:43:30,507 --> 01:43:33,667
Speaker 13: will tell. But darts is also at the top end,

2042
01:43:33,747 --> 01:43:35,907
Speaker 13: probably a lot more competitive than it has been in

2043
01:43:36,067 --> 01:43:39,067
Speaker 13: recent years, despite Littler's results this year where he's pretty

2044
01:43:39,107 --> 01:43:43,387
Speaker 13: much won every major trophy including New Zealand Darts Masters that.

2045
01:43:43,627 --> 01:43:45,987
Speaker 13: But yeah, who knows where this is going to end up.

2046
01:43:46,067 --> 01:43:48,307
Speaker 13: But as long as Lotler's around, he's going to be competing.

2047
01:43:49,107 --> 01:43:51,507
Speaker 13: I find it very hard though, that someone else will

2048
01:43:51,587 --> 01:43:54,467
Speaker 13: reach sixteen, which does sound crazy to say when you

2049
01:43:54,547 --> 01:43:56,947
Speaker 13: can Littler's age and he's already got two under his belt,

2050
01:43:57,027 --> 01:44:00,387
Speaker 13: but you know, sixteen is a pretty apressive mark to beat.

2051
01:44:00,947 --> 01:44:03,147
Speaker 2: Indeed, and you mentioned this usterday as well, that there

2052
01:44:03,227 --> 01:44:06,187
Speaker 2: are young players now seeing what Luke Litler is doing,

2053
01:44:06,827 --> 01:44:09,867
Speaker 2: and he's almost showing them what is possible. In many ways,

2054
01:44:09,907 --> 01:44:11,987
Speaker 2: it could be as downfall he might he might be

2055
01:44:12,067 --> 01:44:14,547
Speaker 2: showing a group of sort of fourteen fifteen year olds

2056
01:44:14,627 --> 01:44:20,187
Speaker 2: what's possible. There's bound to be other Luke Lettler's coming through, surely.

2057
01:44:20,987 --> 01:44:22,787
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, exactly right, And there is.

2058
01:44:23,307 --> 01:44:23,787
Speaker 14: There's a lot of.

2059
01:44:23,947 --> 01:44:28,307
Speaker 13: These young young teenage players all across the world, male

2060
01:44:28,387 --> 01:44:31,707
Speaker 13: and female, who are just playing excellent darts for that age.

2061
01:44:31,747 --> 01:44:34,427
Speaker 13: And it's probably probably one of those things where you know,

2062
01:44:34,947 --> 01:44:37,947
Speaker 13: probably when you were younger, players probably weren't playing to

2063
01:44:38,027 --> 01:44:41,787
Speaker 13: that kind of standard, but now, because overall everyone's getting better,

2064
01:44:41,867 --> 01:44:44,307
Speaker 13: that's now the standard of players at age. And it's

2065
01:44:44,307 --> 01:44:45,907
Speaker 13: probably going to be one of these things in five

2066
01:44:45,987 --> 01:44:48,547
Speaker 13: ten years time where we do have a whole top

2067
01:44:48,627 --> 01:44:51,187
Speaker 13: ten of players that are probably under thirty years old,

2068
01:44:51,307 --> 01:44:54,027
Speaker 13: and you know they're not going to be bigger and

2069
01:44:54,107 --> 01:44:55,867
Speaker 13: Rip did anything like that. But you know they're going

2070
01:44:55,947 --> 01:44:58,707
Speaker 13: to be like proper athletes where they have proper training regimes.

2071
01:44:58,747 --> 01:45:01,507
Speaker 13: They have like the diets. There's probably regular exercise and

2072
01:45:01,587 --> 01:45:04,587
Speaker 13: stuff and maintaining schedules and things like that, because the

2073
01:45:04,667 --> 01:45:07,627
Speaker 13: schedule is going to be really big. Like Luke literally

2074
01:45:07,707 --> 01:45:09,507
Speaker 13: has about ten days off and he's going to be

2075
01:45:09,587 --> 01:45:11,987
Speaker 13: off the Bahrain I think it is for the Bahrain

2076
01:45:12,107 --> 01:45:15,627
Speaker 13: Darts Masters and the Saudi Arabia the week after. So look,

2077
01:45:15,667 --> 01:45:18,907
Speaker 13: there's no rest for these guys at the moment. So yeah, look,

2078
01:45:18,907 --> 01:45:21,307
Speaker 13: there are so many young players coming through, even some

2079
01:45:21,587 --> 01:45:23,627
Speaker 13: a couple of young guys that played in the tournament.

2080
01:45:23,707 --> 01:45:25,707
Speaker 13: We had a young guy Charlie Mamby who reached the

2081
01:45:25,787 --> 01:45:28,907
Speaker 13: last sixteen. He's only twenty years old. He's one of

2082
01:45:28,987 --> 01:45:32,107
Speaker 13: these players of the bright future. But in the youth systems,

2083
01:45:32,107 --> 01:45:34,947
Speaker 13: there's so many kids that are producing one hundred averages

2084
01:45:35,027 --> 01:45:37,587
Speaker 13: and it's kind of scary when you think about it

2085
01:45:38,067 --> 01:45:41,307
Speaker 13: when some of these guys do struggles even one hundred.

2086
01:45:41,787 --> 01:45:42,907
Speaker 13: Some of these top players.

2087
01:45:43,467 --> 01:45:46,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's scary but also exciting. Ben, thanks so

2088
01:45:46,787 --> 01:45:50,307
Speaker 2: much for your analysis on Weekend Sport over the World.

2089
01:45:50,427 --> 01:45:52,787
Speaker 2: Darts Championship. You'll be pleased. And I didn't put any

2090
01:45:52,867 --> 01:45:57,627
Speaker 2: money on fun Faine, so I my heart earned stayed

2091
01:45:57,747 --> 01:46:02,427
Speaker 2: safe in my bank account. So you'll be pleased about

2092
01:46:02,427 --> 01:46:04,107
Speaker 2: that that you didn't send me wrong yesterday with a

2093
01:46:04,547 --> 01:46:07,627
Speaker 2: prediction that perhaps fun Faine might might trouble little. You'll

2094
01:46:07,627 --> 01:46:09,067
Speaker 2: be pleased. And I didn't lose any money on it.

2095
01:46:09,907 --> 01:46:11,827
Speaker 13: I'm glad Piney, but I used to feel of a

2096
01:46:11,947 --> 01:46:17,747
Speaker 13: ridiculous evens. Yes, now I might have to take littler

2097
01:46:17,867 --> 01:46:19,507
Speaker 13: next year. We'll step to wait and see.

2098
01:46:20,267 --> 01:46:22,987
Speaker 2: Good Man Ben love your analysis, mate, loved your contributions

2099
01:46:23,267 --> 01:46:25,747
Speaker 2: over the period of the World Darts Champs. That's been Francis.

2100
01:46:25,947 --> 01:46:28,107
Speaker 2: You can read him incidentally at NZ Herald, dot co

2101
01:46:28,347 --> 01:46:32,507
Speaker 2: dot en Z twenty five two three England have gone

2102
01:46:32,507 --> 01:46:34,907
Speaker 2: to lunch at one fourteen for three in the fifth

2103
01:46:35,027 --> 01:46:37,547
Speaker 2: Ashes Test in Sydney. Back in my one Weekend Sport

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Speaker 2: is with us. Congrats on the book, Philip. How did

2114
01:47:12,427 --> 01:47:15,027
Speaker 2: Manchester United become your team?

2115
01:47:16,187 --> 01:47:18,467
Speaker 18: It goes back a long way now, sort of thing

2116
01:47:18,627 --> 01:47:21,387
Speaker 18: was an intermediate a couple of my mates and things

2117
01:47:21,787 --> 01:47:24,467
Speaker 18: that they were Liverpool fans and I think I'd caught

2118
01:47:24,467 --> 01:47:26,747
Speaker 18: a glimpse of United on TV or something back then,

2119
01:47:26,787 --> 01:47:28,347
Speaker 18: and I just sort of sort you know, the way

2120
01:47:28,387 --> 01:47:29,987
Speaker 18: that they're playing football and it just sort of really

2121
01:47:30,027 --> 01:47:33,187
Speaker 18: appealed to me. And yeah, that's just how it's sort

2122
01:47:33,227 --> 01:47:34,947
Speaker 18: of how I took an interest in it, and that

2123
01:47:35,027 --> 01:47:36,387
Speaker 18: sort of developed over the years.

2124
01:47:36,747 --> 01:47:38,267
Speaker 2: So what are we talking here? Was that in the

2125
01:47:38,947 --> 01:47:42,067
Speaker 2: seventies eighties that year and they grab whole of.

2126
01:47:42,067 --> 01:47:45,787
Speaker 18: You yeah about the mid seventies. Yeah, so it's when

2127
01:47:45,827 --> 01:47:50,187
Speaker 18: they Cropple and Daily Peers and Gordon Hill, those players.

2128
01:47:50,347 --> 01:47:53,907
Speaker 18: Tommy Dockerty was the manager. So they played the attacking

2129
01:47:53,947 --> 01:47:57,147
Speaker 18: brand of football and you know that there's a sotyle

2130
01:47:57,227 --> 01:47:59,347
Speaker 18: that they had and like I said, everyone else to

2131
01:47:59,387 --> 01:48:00,867
Speaker 18: put in Liverpool and they used to rid me a

2132
01:48:00,947 --> 01:48:03,827
Speaker 18: lot about United not winning anything and not winning the league.

2133
01:48:03,867 --> 01:48:05,827
Speaker 18: But I stuck by them.

2134
01:48:05,907 --> 01:48:10,307
Speaker 2: So yes, it did. And because in the early seventies

2135
01:48:10,347 --> 01:48:13,027
Speaker 2: they were actually relegated, weren't they from the old Division

2136
01:48:13,067 --> 01:48:15,107
Speaker 2: one down to Division two. They popped straight back up again.

2137
01:48:15,147 --> 01:48:17,067
Speaker 2: But you're right, it was a long time before they

2138
01:48:17,827 --> 01:48:21,027
Speaker 2: tasted success and it was in what the first season

2139
01:48:21,107 --> 01:48:24,907
Speaker 2: of the Premier League nineteen ninety two ninety three when

2140
01:48:24,987 --> 01:48:29,067
Speaker 2: that title winning drought ended. What do you remember of that.

2141
01:48:30,867 --> 01:48:33,347
Speaker 18: Ninety two ninety three. Yeah, for me, it was something

2142
01:48:33,467 --> 01:48:38,107
Speaker 18: really significant and special. You know, I'd supported noted all

2143
01:48:38,147 --> 01:48:41,427
Speaker 18: those years, and how would I say it, Like, I

2144
01:48:41,467 --> 01:48:43,587
Speaker 18: don't want to give too much away, but for a

2145
01:48:43,627 --> 01:48:46,907
Speaker 18: stroke of good fortune and just lucky sort of contacts

2146
01:48:46,947 --> 01:48:51,187
Speaker 18: and things. In May ninety three, you know, I went

2147
01:48:51,267 --> 01:48:54,227
Speaker 18: over to England and sort of like May, all the

2148
01:48:54,347 --> 01:48:56,267
Speaker 18: years of supporting United, for all the good and bad

2149
01:48:56,347 --> 01:49:00,307
Speaker 18: times were awarded with a lucky break. I could go

2150
01:49:00,347 --> 01:49:02,387
Speaker 18: into more detail, but if if a good one to

2151
01:49:02,467 --> 01:49:04,067
Speaker 18: know more, they can they can read all about it

2152
01:49:04,147 --> 01:49:04,747
Speaker 18: in the ebook.

2153
01:49:05,067 --> 01:49:07,827
Speaker 2: So you were there when they won the Premier League.

2154
01:49:09,707 --> 01:49:12,867
Speaker 18: Basically, I will tell you then, okay, yeah, so yeah.

2155
01:49:13,027 --> 01:49:15,787
Speaker 18: I'd written to some pen friends back then, since before

2156
01:49:15,827 --> 01:49:19,067
Speaker 18: we had social media sort of thing, and they both

2157
01:49:19,107 --> 01:49:24,187
Speaker 18: got jobs working at Old Trafford. So early early early

2158
01:49:24,267 --> 01:49:27,187
Speaker 18: ninety three, I was thinking to myself, I'll go to England.

2159
01:49:27,227 --> 01:49:29,707
Speaker 18: I've got a good chance to win the league. And

2160
01:49:29,787 --> 01:49:32,067
Speaker 18: then when I got over there, the person was staying

2161
01:49:32,107 --> 01:49:35,947
Speaker 18: with unbeknown to me, she was dating the head groundsman

2162
01:49:35,947 --> 01:49:36,627
Speaker 18: at Old Trafford.

2163
01:49:39,587 --> 01:49:40,987
Speaker 9: So I got to.

2164
01:49:42,907 --> 01:49:44,907
Speaker 18: Went to We went to the training ground on the

2165
01:49:44,987 --> 01:49:48,187
Speaker 18: morning we got to meet the players arriving and then

2166
01:49:48,307 --> 01:49:50,827
Speaker 18: the groundsman, Keith, took me up to meet Alex Ferguson

2167
01:49:50,867 --> 01:49:53,027
Speaker 18: in his office and had a good chat to him

2168
01:49:53,067 --> 01:49:55,507
Speaker 18: and that sort of thing, and met all the players,

2169
01:49:55,587 --> 01:49:57,747
Speaker 18: got photos and autographs, and then I was able to

2170
01:49:57,827 --> 01:50:02,587
Speaker 18: video them training at close proximity and that was just amazing.

2171
01:50:04,427 --> 01:50:07,347
Speaker 18: And then after that we were back to Old Trafford

2172
01:50:07,467 --> 01:50:10,747
Speaker 18: with Keith and my friend Julie in that and went

2173
01:50:10,827 --> 01:50:12,947
Speaker 18: out onto the pitch and chatted to Keith all about

2174
01:50:12,947 --> 01:50:14,787
Speaker 18: the issues with the ground and that sort of thing.

2175
01:50:15,587 --> 01:50:19,827
Speaker 18: And then later on that afternoon Oldham took my friend

2176
01:50:19,907 --> 01:50:23,307
Speaker 18: Julie was from Oldham. Oldham were playing aston Villa and

2177
01:50:23,467 --> 01:50:26,547
Speaker 18: Oldham had to win to avoid relegation and aston Villa

2178
01:50:26,627 --> 01:50:30,307
Speaker 18: had to win otherwise United would be champions. And how

2179
01:50:30,387 --> 01:50:33,947
Speaker 18: it panned out, Oldham one Nils. So I got to

2180
01:50:34,027 --> 01:50:36,627
Speaker 18: meet all the players and the manager on the day

2181
01:50:36,667 --> 01:50:38,227
Speaker 18: that they won the Premier League. So it was just

2182
01:50:39,427 --> 01:50:42,507
Speaker 18: an amazing experience. I mean, care we going all the

2183
01:50:42,547 --> 01:50:44,307
Speaker 18: way from when you're seven, the getting to meet the

2184
01:50:44,347 --> 01:50:47,307
Speaker 18: players and the manager on that day outstanding.

2185
01:50:47,347 --> 01:50:51,147
Speaker 2: What a great story. When did you first visit Old Trafford?

2186
01:50:53,267 --> 01:50:56,867
Speaker 18: I went first time. I was nineteen eighty four. I

2187
01:50:56,947 --> 01:51:00,467
Speaker 18: was a nineteen year old eighteen nineteen, but I'm a friend,

2188
01:51:00,547 --> 01:51:03,227
Speaker 18: you know. I started working by then. They was sort

2189
01:51:03,267 --> 01:51:05,147
Speaker 18: of like, oh, you're so young again from England by

2190
01:51:05,187 --> 01:51:06,947
Speaker 18: yourself and all the sort of thing. And I was like,

2191
01:51:07,667 --> 01:51:10,547
Speaker 18: once I got over there, and I was in London

2192
01:51:10,587 --> 01:51:12,267
Speaker 18: for a little while but used to the underground on

2193
01:51:12,307 --> 01:51:14,227
Speaker 18: that and then it went up to see United playing.

2194
01:51:15,107 --> 01:51:17,827
Speaker 18: Was April eighty four, and so I've saw them a

2195
01:51:17,907 --> 01:51:20,667
Speaker 18: couple of times and they didn't win over of the game.

2196
01:51:20,787 --> 01:51:22,067
Speaker 18: So I started to think I was a bit of.

2197
01:51:22,067 --> 01:51:22,747
Speaker 14: A drinks on them.

2198
01:51:22,907 --> 01:51:27,667
Speaker 2: So I know a lot of fans like that, they

2199
01:51:27,747 --> 01:51:30,747
Speaker 2: think they're the reason why their team hasn't won much.

2200
01:51:30,827 --> 01:51:32,987
Speaker 2: But I can assure you that it's a it's a

2201
01:51:33,067 --> 01:51:35,147
Speaker 2: much higher force than that. What was it like, though,

2202
01:51:35,547 --> 01:51:39,147
Speaker 2: visiting Old Trafford for the first time, walking up and

2203
01:51:39,307 --> 01:51:42,827
Speaker 2: seeing that that that patch of green grass that until

2204
01:51:42,907 --> 01:51:45,467
Speaker 2: then you yeah, you've only ever seen on television.

2205
01:51:46,907 --> 01:51:50,747
Speaker 18: You know, it's just something really special. Yes, it's hard

2206
01:51:50,787 --> 01:51:53,347
Speaker 18: to describe it own words. But the thing is, when

2207
01:51:53,347 --> 01:51:56,507
Speaker 18: I started Sporting United in English football in general back

2208
01:51:56,547 --> 01:52:00,427
Speaker 18: in the seventies, we didn't have social media. So I'd

2209
01:52:00,467 --> 01:52:02,787
Speaker 18: wake up early in the early hours of the morning

2210
01:52:02,867 --> 01:52:04,987
Speaker 18: of the time difference and tune try and tune into

2211
01:52:05,027 --> 01:52:08,627
Speaker 18: the BBC World Service on shortwave radio for a second.

2212
01:52:08,787 --> 01:52:10,947
Speaker 18: They'd have second half commentary on some of the games.

2213
01:52:11,707 --> 01:52:15,347
Speaker 18: And so that was like my sort of morning routine

2214
01:52:15,387 --> 01:52:18,667
Speaker 18: on a Sunday morning. And then I get football magazine

2215
01:52:18,747 --> 01:52:20,987
Speaker 18: sent out to me by ship from England, like Shoot

2216
01:52:21,227 --> 01:52:24,907
Speaker 18: and Gold magazine, and read the magazines and learned all

2217
01:52:24,947 --> 01:52:26,627
Speaker 18: about the players, and it was just something that I just,

2218
01:52:27,547 --> 01:52:30,507
Speaker 18: you know, I became sort of just so passionate and

2219
01:52:30,627 --> 01:52:32,827
Speaker 18: dedicated to football and United.

2220
01:52:32,827 --> 01:52:34,747
Speaker 14: It's yeah, look.

2221
01:52:34,867 --> 01:52:37,147
Speaker 2: You're speaking my language. I think we're of a similar

2222
01:52:37,227 --> 01:52:40,227
Speaker 2: generation because you're right. Nine o'clock on a Sunday morning.

2223
01:52:40,267 --> 01:52:43,187
Speaker 2: It was the British Football results, you know that you

2224
01:52:43,827 --> 01:52:45,707
Speaker 2: learned of all the scores and then we had that

2225
01:52:45,827 --> 01:52:48,707
Speaker 2: one hour a week, didn't we? Big League Soccer Midday

2226
01:52:48,747 --> 01:52:51,307
Speaker 2: on a Sunday, mid dawn a Sunday, hosted by Brian

2227
01:52:51,467 --> 01:52:52,667
Speaker 2: Moore from memory.

2228
01:52:52,627 --> 01:52:55,947
Speaker 18: That's right, yes, yeah, yeah. So I grew up in

2229
01:52:56,067 --> 01:52:59,147
Speaker 18: West Akland, like in Calston and West Auckland, and like

2230
01:52:59,227 --> 01:53:02,027
Speaker 18: a Sunday tradition was my parents and my other two

2231
01:53:02,747 --> 01:53:05,427
Speaker 18: family members would drive over the north Shore to Devonport

2232
01:53:05,467 --> 01:53:09,107
Speaker 18: where my grandparents live and we have like a Sunday

2233
01:53:09,187 --> 01:53:10,827
Speaker 18: lunch sort of thing and they'd be sitting out and

2234
01:53:10,987 --> 01:53:12,907
Speaker 18: having their lunch and I'd be in the sort of

2235
01:53:13,667 --> 01:53:16,267
Speaker 18: lounge watching a big big match or big leag socker

2236
01:53:16,307 --> 01:53:16,867
Speaker 18: from the TV.

2237
01:53:17,827 --> 01:53:18,027
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2238
01:53:18,107 --> 01:53:20,307
Speaker 18: It was just such a wonderful you know, we had

2239
01:53:20,347 --> 01:53:22,387
Speaker 18: like an hour of highlights and it was Brian Moore

2240
01:53:22,507 --> 01:53:23,347
Speaker 18: was just amazing.

2241
01:53:23,547 --> 01:53:29,067
Speaker 2: Yes you met Brian Robson, Yes, sir, that was actually.

2242
01:53:28,987 --> 01:53:32,507
Speaker 18: An that was the first visit to England. That was

2243
01:53:32,587 --> 01:53:35,267
Speaker 18: just for another fortunate contact with my dad knew someone.

2244
01:53:36,627 --> 01:53:40,267
Speaker 18: I traveled down to Taunton in Somerset and stayed with

2245
01:53:40,347 --> 01:53:42,787
Speaker 18: a friend of my dad, Spernard, and then I was

2246
01:53:43,027 --> 01:53:45,187
Speaker 18: he knew I was going up to Manchester and he said,

2247
01:53:45,187 --> 01:53:47,627
Speaker 18: I when I get to the Manchester pachectons Y m

2248
01:53:47,707 --> 01:53:50,227
Speaker 18: c A found him from the coin coin box and

2249
01:53:50,307 --> 01:53:54,467
Speaker 18: he said, as he gave me the details of someone

2250
01:53:54,547 --> 01:53:56,147
Speaker 18: to contact when I went to see them play. I

2251
01:53:56,187 --> 01:54:00,227
Speaker 18: think they played west Ham and so got to the

2252
01:54:00,307 --> 01:54:03,347
Speaker 18: ground early and got a pound of the person to contact.

2253
01:54:04,147 --> 01:54:07,707
Speaker 18: And that's like another story, it's just the way things happened.

2254
01:54:07,747 --> 01:54:12,787
Speaker 18: I got to meet Brian Robson, macro wh McCarthy, Ray

2255
01:54:12,827 --> 01:54:16,107
Speaker 18: Wilkins in the player's lounge and then the weird thing

2256
01:54:16,187 --> 01:54:20,027
Speaker 18: as well as like one of my heroes back there

2257
01:54:20,107 --> 01:54:23,467
Speaker 18: was Steve Copple and I'd actually sent her an aerogram

2258
01:54:23,547 --> 01:54:25,827
Speaker 18: to him because he had been forced to retire due

2259
01:54:25,867 --> 01:54:29,547
Speaker 18: to injury. So we're in the player's lounge and there's

2260
01:54:29,547 --> 01:54:32,547
Speaker 18: another little boy from South Africa and someone opened the door.

2261
01:54:32,707 --> 01:54:34,907
Speaker 18: Nor One Whiteside was there like it's one of the subs,

2262
01:54:34,947 --> 01:54:36,667
Speaker 18: and he had his training gear on and I I

2263
01:54:36,707 --> 01:54:38,147
Speaker 18: commented to the Lord of Boys said, oh, he's not

2264
01:54:38,187 --> 01:54:40,107
Speaker 18: going to come in here and his gear and boots.

2265
01:54:40,667 --> 01:54:43,707
Speaker 18: We stick outside and to the left Steph Copple was

2266
01:54:43,747 --> 01:54:46,747
Speaker 18: there chatting to John Mile, who was the whtown manager,

2267
01:54:48,107 --> 01:54:51,307
Speaker 18: and then a few minutes later said hello and said

2268
01:54:51,307 --> 01:54:53,227
Speaker 18: I followed from New Zealand. The first thing he commented,

2269
01:54:53,347 --> 01:54:56,707
Speaker 18: he said, I got your aerogram recently from New Zealand.

2270
01:54:56,867 --> 01:54:57,387
Speaker 6: It's just.

2271
01:54:58,907 --> 01:55:01,787
Speaker 18: Unbelievable. So yes, I met Steve Copple as well. So

2272
01:55:01,907 --> 01:55:03,867
Speaker 18: that was another massive furl as well.

2273
01:55:04,107 --> 01:55:07,347
Speaker 2: Want to thrill the nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety nine

2274
01:55:07,827 --> 01:55:12,387
Speaker 2: treble winning season Premier League, FA Cup and that you know,

2275
01:55:12,587 --> 01:55:17,187
Speaker 2: remarkable European Capital Champions League, the crew, Where does that

2276
01:55:17,387 --> 01:55:19,267
Speaker 2: season set for you?

2277
01:55:20,867 --> 01:55:23,067
Speaker 18: It just it was just extra special. I mean the

2278
01:55:23,187 --> 01:55:24,667
Speaker 18: squad that they had, I mean that was the thing.

2279
01:55:25,147 --> 01:55:28,387
Speaker 18: Felix Ferguson that the stage had developed. Squad of players

2280
01:55:28,547 --> 01:55:31,267
Speaker 18: were just you know, he had like four strikers basically

2281
01:55:31,387 --> 01:55:34,307
Speaker 18: like he had like Sharingham and soul Shire and then

2282
01:55:34,347 --> 01:55:36,467
Speaker 18: Andy colin White York and he would rotate it and

2283
01:55:38,027 --> 01:55:40,107
Speaker 18: that season like they had you know, like along the

2284
01:55:40,147 --> 01:55:42,587
Speaker 18: way when I finish the FA Cup semi final, where

2285
01:55:42,627 --> 01:55:45,947
Speaker 18: they beat Arsenal. They gave away a penalty in the

2286
01:55:46,027 --> 01:55:49,187
Speaker 18: last minute. I think Phil Neville gave it away. Schmichel

2287
01:55:49,187 --> 01:55:51,827
Speaker 18: had saved it, and then prior to that y Roy

2288
01:55:51,987 --> 01:55:54,387
Speaker 18: Keen had been sent off and then gets scored under goal.

2289
01:55:54,507 --> 01:55:57,147
Speaker 18: So it was the treble was just something extra special.

2290
01:55:57,187 --> 01:55:59,507
Speaker 18: That was you know, they won the Premier League and

2291
01:55:59,547 --> 01:56:01,787
Speaker 18: then then there was the FA Cup and then you

2292
01:56:01,867 --> 01:56:03,827
Speaker 18: know that those last two goals from Soulsho in the

2293
01:56:03,907 --> 01:56:04,547
Speaker 18: last minute or.

2294
01:56:04,547 --> 01:56:09,227
Speaker 2: Two was just crazy, absolutely crazy. You mentioned Sir Alex Ferguson,

2295
01:56:09,227 --> 01:56:11,867
Speaker 2: and we know, even those who don't follow United or

2296
01:56:11,907 --> 01:56:14,987
Speaker 2: even follow football, no the legacy of Sir Alex Ferguson.

2297
01:56:15,067 --> 01:56:17,907
Speaker 2: Since he left his post at the end of the

2298
01:56:17,987 --> 01:56:21,307
Speaker 2: twenty twelve thirteen season, you've had a succession of managers,

2299
01:56:21,907 --> 01:56:24,587
Speaker 2: none of who have even come close to emulating him.

2300
01:56:24,867 --> 01:56:27,627
Speaker 2: Are those shoes just simply too big to fill?

2301
01:56:29,507 --> 01:56:29,707
Speaker 15: Yeah?

2302
01:56:29,707 --> 01:56:30,067
Speaker 14: I think so.

2303
01:56:30,307 --> 01:56:33,707
Speaker 18: Yeah, It's just I mean, like some of the appointments.

2304
01:56:33,747 --> 01:56:37,467
Speaker 18: I mean, David Moyes's appointment was you know, Okay, Scottish

2305
01:56:37,587 --> 01:56:39,947
Speaker 18: is a friend of Ferguson's and they just didn't you know,

2306
01:56:40,267 --> 01:56:42,187
Speaker 18: he'd been a manager at Everton and just to step

2307
01:56:42,307 --> 01:56:44,947
Speaker 18: up to the bigger club that you noted was just

2308
01:56:44,987 --> 01:56:48,187
Speaker 18: too much for him. And then they've had other managers

2309
01:56:48,227 --> 01:56:51,947
Speaker 18: over the years, like Jose Moreno was a good selection.

2310
01:56:52,147 --> 01:56:54,627
Speaker 18: But it's sort of as we moved into the you know,

2311
01:56:54,707 --> 01:56:58,027
Speaker 18: the modern era, sort of the whole Startner's style of

2312
01:56:58,067 --> 01:57:00,347
Speaker 18: football have changed, and then they've had all the social

2313
01:57:00,427 --> 01:57:04,227
Speaker 18: media and players like Pogba and things that just it's

2314
01:57:04,347 --> 01:57:07,627
Speaker 18: changed the whole dynamics of football. And even up to now,

2315
01:57:07,747 --> 01:57:11,867
Speaker 18: like they had like Ben ben Gale and then then

2316
01:57:11,987 --> 01:57:16,027
Speaker 18: Hag and like it's from the top. I think, you know,

2317
01:57:16,067 --> 01:57:19,267
Speaker 18: they've had bad manner. There's the ownership of the club

2318
01:57:19,307 --> 01:57:22,427
Speaker 18: has just been not ideal sort of thing, and then

2319
01:57:22,627 --> 01:57:26,587
Speaker 18: the signing players on ridiculous contracts and transfer fees and things,

2320
01:57:26,667 --> 01:57:29,067
Speaker 18: and then then they try to sell them and then

2321
01:57:29,107 --> 01:57:32,347
Speaker 18: no one wants to pay their wages basically, and it's yeah,

2322
01:57:32,627 --> 01:57:36,227
Speaker 18: I mean, it's impossible to replace Ferguson's legacy. And I'm

2323
01:57:36,267 --> 01:57:37,747
Speaker 18: sort of thinking, ill said to my friend just the

2324
01:57:37,747 --> 01:57:39,947
Speaker 18: other day, even I'm sort of like, Okay, we're not

2325
01:57:40,027 --> 01:57:42,307
Speaker 18: winning anything now and I'm sort of but I'm happy

2326
01:57:42,347 --> 01:57:44,427
Speaker 18: with you know, we've had all our time sort of thing.

2327
01:57:44,547 --> 01:57:46,147
Speaker 18: That's how I look at it. We've had our success

2328
01:57:46,267 --> 01:57:50,587
Speaker 18: with Ferguson and an extended period of success after twenty

2329
01:57:50,667 --> 01:57:54,147
Speaker 18: six years of not winning the league, So yeah, that's

2330
01:57:54,227 --> 01:57:55,587
Speaker 18: just how how it pans out.

2331
01:57:55,467 --> 01:57:55,867
Speaker 14: Sort of thing.

2332
01:57:56,587 --> 01:57:59,747
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite Manchester United player of all time?

2333
01:58:01,747 --> 01:58:04,227
Speaker 18: I would say Brian Robson. A lot of people would

2334
01:58:04,227 --> 01:58:09,427
Speaker 18: say Canton Are and came along and sort of put

2335
01:58:09,467 --> 01:58:12,627
Speaker 18: with Tanton. It was like excal players learned a got

2336
01:58:12,667 --> 01:58:15,787
Speaker 18: from him of how practice and that sort of extra

2337
01:58:15,867 --> 01:58:18,387
Speaker 18: training sessions and dedication to it. But for me, Brian

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Speaker 18: Robson was my heroes sort of thing, such a night

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Speaker 18: dynamic player and tackling and leading the team and then

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Speaker 18: scoring goals and that sort of thing, Like, yeah, it

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Speaker 18: was special.

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Speaker 2: When did the idea of writing a book about your

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Speaker 2: love affair with this tame start to formulate?

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Speaker 18: It's interesting because I had draft chapters sort of done

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Speaker 18: for many years, maybe ten five years ago, and then,

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Speaker 18: like I do football referering, and a friend of mine recently,

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Speaker 18: you know, had started preparing his sort of life story

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01:58:58,867 --> 01:59:01,867
Speaker 18: sort of thing, and then it was just sort of

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Speaker 18: motivated me more to try and put it down. You

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Speaker 18: get onto it sort of thing and get it try

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Speaker 18: and release it. So I held the draft chapters there

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Speaker 18: and I just sort of put more time aside to

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Speaker 18: get onto it. And but it was, you know, it's

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Speaker 18: a unique stir up story, being a keiw supporting United

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Speaker 18: from Afar and like a rugby med country like New Zealand.

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Speaker 18: So that was the motivation to get onto us. And yes,

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Speaker 18: so I've released part one of its up to nineteen

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Speaker 18: ninety three and then I've got draft chapters also, you know,

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Speaker 18: it's ninety three up till now that I've got sort

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Speaker 18: of sort of well underway. And I just thought it

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Speaker 18: was like a unique story that would appeal.

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Speaker 2: To people, absolutely hearted Manchester a Kiwee fans, football romance, Phillip.

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Speaker 2: Way do people find it if they want to check

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Speaker 2: it out? Read it by it?

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Speaker 18: So it's on Google, Google Play, Google Books. It's available

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Speaker 18: on there and there's I think there's like a free

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Speaker 18: sampler about it people can view. There's quite a number

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Speaker 18: of chapters on there. Since behalf a dozen chapters that

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Speaker 18: people can see like a sample chapters of it on

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Speaker 18: Google Books.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff. Thanks for joining us. Fill up all the

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Speaker 2: base with the book and with the second part of it,

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Speaker 2: which no doubt we'll hit hit the online space in

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Speaker 2: the next little while. And congratulations on your on your

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Speaker 2: forty plus year fandom of this football club. Far it's

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Speaker 2: been great to chat to you about it.

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Speaker 18: Thank you very much, so much appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jason, No, thank you Philip Phillip Kellaway lifelong

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Speaker 2: Manchester United fan, the Ebok Heart and Manchester are Kiwi

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Speaker 2: fans football romance. It is eight away from three News

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Speaker 2: Talks EP.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Pine News Talks.

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Speaker 2: B five to three. That's us on Weekend Sport for today.

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Speaker 2: We've got through the first weekend of the year, just

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Speaker 2: fifty one to go. Presumably we'll get a couple of

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Speaker 2: weekends off here or there. I don't know, but it's

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Speaker 2: been great to have twenty twenty six start in such

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Speaker 2: relaxed but invigorating fashion on Weekend Sport. Huge thanks to

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Speaker 2: any McDonald's always for producing the show, Thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening in, for participating, or just for I guess having

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Speaker 2: us as as company during this festive break when we've

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Speaker 2: got lots of other things on. It's a pleasure to

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Speaker 2: have you spending time with us, Adam Cooper after three

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Speaker 2: o'clock with summer or summer weekends. Summer weekends is that

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Speaker 2: the name of it. I think it is summer weekends.

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Speaker 2: Summer weekends are the summer weekends?

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Speaker 14: All right?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's here anyway after three regardless of what the

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Speaker 2: show is called. Good time for me to go an

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Speaker 2: exit song today? Well, Luke Littler is a back to

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Speaker 2: back world darts champion. As you know, all these players

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Speaker 2: have their walkout songs when they're introduced to the crowd.

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Speaker 2: Here is Luke Littler's walk out song, Football green Light.

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Speaker 2: See you next weekend.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live

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