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Speaker 1: So the Foreshore Seabed Amendment Bill got through the House

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Speaker 1: last night. It restores the law to what it was originally.

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Speaker 1: Of course, sixty eight votes to fifty four in the end,

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Speaker 1: essentially reverses called an appeal decision that made it easier

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Speaker 1: to claim. Paul Goldsmith Treaty negotiations and Justice Minister with us,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning. In your opinion, how angsty has

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Speaker 1: this been?

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Speaker 2: A Look, Look, there's been quite a lot of quite

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Speaker 2: strong rhetoric overnight in the last couple of days. But overall, look,

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Speaker 2: I think most people recognize that a balance was set.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all New Zealanders have got an interest in

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Speaker 2: what goes on on the foreshore and the seabed. We

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Speaker 2: all share this country. And so when you move away

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Speaker 2: from those basic expectations to the ability as you have

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Speaker 2: under this law, if you have custom Memorne title to

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Speaker 2: grant resource consents in an area for certain things and

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of quite valuable rights, that there was

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Speaker 2: a high threshold for that. Exactly process reduced that threshold

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Speaker 2: and we're restoring it. That's the purpose. And look, I

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Speaker 2: think it makes sense and it is important.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that with the rhetoric that we've heard

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Speaker 1: in the media in particular, that people it has been

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Speaker 1: lost on people that you are merely restoring it to

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Speaker 1: what it was. You've not invented anything here, you just

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Speaker 1: taking it back to what it was.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean people will make all sorts of arguments,

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Speaker 2: and yes there's vague statements, rewriting of history and anything

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Speaker 2: involving the courts and the judicial process. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: always room for arguments, but ultimately, that's all we're trying

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Speaker 2: to do. We're just trying to have a regime that

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Speaker 2: does allow MARI groups to claim and assert their customary rights,

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Speaker 2: but set's an appropriate threshold so that we're not dealing

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Speaker 2: with one hundred percent of the coastline being in this category,

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Speaker 2: which is quite a significant move away from what people

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Speaker 2: would normally expect.

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Speaker 1: Are you aggrieved at the court over reaching the fact

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Speaker 1: you had to do this, Well, we would have far

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Speaker 1: preferred not to have to have done this. But look,

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Speaker 1: and when we first introduced us, it was the Court

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Speaker 1: of Appeal decision, and there were you know, there was

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Speaker 1: house of protests from some groups, but then of course

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court agreed with us that the Court of

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Speaker 1: Appeal had got it wrong, and then they put their

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Speaker 1: own threshold, and we ultimately came to the conclusion, after

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Speaker 1: much careful thought, that even that their version was still

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Speaker 1: not what Parliament had intended. And we've seen a couple

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Speaker 1: of cases come through onto that threshold where you know,

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Speaker 1: essentially one hundred percent of the coastline in the Kaperty

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Speaker 1: area was granted customer marine title and that certainly wasn't

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Speaker 1: the expectation. While I've got you your BSA comments yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I thought were interesting because they are in direct contrast

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Speaker 1: to what the Prime Minister said on Monday. Are you

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Speaker 1: two heading for a collision course?

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Speaker 2: No? No, Look, I mean obviously, as the responsible minister,

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Speaker 2: I cannot interfere austeer particular cases and make comment on them.

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Speaker 2: I think that there's two separate things going on. There's

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Speaker 2: the BSA making their extension into the Internet. What are

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Speaker 2: we dealing with, well, internet providers who were doing a

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Speaker 2: thing similar to radio and so there's a couple there's

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Speaker 2: only a very small number of people in that category,

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Speaker 2: but there is a much broader discussion to be had,

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Speaker 2: given the fact that you know it's no longer makes

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Speaker 2: obvious sense why one group of people would be regulated

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Speaker 2: and others wouldn't. If you've got a podcast on politics,

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Speaker 2: for example, that's not regulated, but if you've got a

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Speaker 2: radio show, it is. And so we already were having

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Speaker 2: a process to review that. And there's two basic options.

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Speaker 2: You could try and extend the reach of the BSA

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Speaker 2: to be to covering all things that look similar. Or

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Speaker 2: you could just get rid of it entirely and say, well,

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Speaker 2: the world's moved on, and to.

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Speaker 1: Get rid of it entirely, and so the world's moved

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Speaker 1: on sounds good to me.

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Speaker 2: Well that that is one of the options. And so

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Speaker 2: we're working our way through through this at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and we're giving some careful thought to it. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was it was an act that was set up

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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine before a whole lot of things

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Speaker 2: have happened, and so it's you know, nobody's got round

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Speaker 2: to dealing with it, and we are going to deal

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: When you're the man, good stuf a right, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We'll stay in touch. Justice Minister Treaty negotiations. Minister Paul's

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Speaker 1: Goldsmith with us this morning. For more from the My

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