1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: one of a Kind. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: It's twenty away from six And on the huddle of 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: this evening we've got Thomas Scriminger of the Maximum Institute 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: in Phil GoF, former Auckland mayor, former High Commissioner to 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: the UK. Hello you two, Thomas. How are you feeling 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: about that GDP number? 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's pretty concerning, I think, and certainly the 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 3: government will be very very unhappy with it. They've pitched, 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of their identity as a government 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: of getting economic growth back. It's probably the flip side 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: of their challenges. They claim they're going to be the 13 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: ones to bring economic growth back. Governments don't actually create 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: economic growth. There's a whole lot of things outside of 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 3: their control and now they're experiencing I guess the negative 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: side of that. They were wanting to claim credit for 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: the good news and now the bad news comes and 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: they have to wear it. And Roger Douglas is right, 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: we're still running a structural deficit within the fourcast period. 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: We're not returning to a surplus, so they have real challenges. 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: So when you say, Roger Douglas is right. Do you 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: agree with Roger Douglas and Nicholaulas should resign. 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: No, I'm saying Roger Douglas is right about the structural deficit. 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 3: I'm not going to make a comment either way about 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: the Finance Minister's future, but certainly it is a real challenge. 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: She was talking a big game about getting us back 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: to a balanced budget and we're not there. 28 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, now, Phil, what do you think about this? My 29 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: concern I want to know if you share my concern. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: My concern is that we are so nervy and scared 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: at the moment and worried about what's happening with the 32 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: economy and whether we're through the worst of it, that 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: any kind of bad news like this just sets us back. 34 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: Do you worry about that? 35 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, a little. I mean you've got to face up 36 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: to the reality though. I mean, this was a shocker 37 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 4: of a result. The Reserve Bank said the quarter would 38 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: decline by about zero point three, and it declined by 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 4: three times more than that point nine, And that means 40 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 4: three out of the last five quarters the economy has 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: been in recession. Look, I'm not into calling for people 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: to resign, but Roger Douglas is right that you've got 43 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 4: to come clean on the fact that your deficit is 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: continuing and you can't keep blaming. I mean I found 45 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: this even in England, you know, hearing care Starma blame 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: the Conservatives for everything. I feel the same way when 47 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: I hear you know, the National Party here blaming it's predecessor. 48 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: In the end, you know, nearly two years into your term, 49 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: you've got to start taking responsibility for your own actions 50 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: and whether they've been effective. And Douglas is right, as 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 4: Treasury is right, you've got to start to address problems 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: like you know, we're aging population, my generation, the baby boomers, 53 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: more cost on superannuation, more cost on healthcare, and you 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: can't turn a blind eye to that. So you've got 55 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: to start addressing some of the underlying problems and take 56 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 4: some of the hard decisions. And I don't think that's 57 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 4: been done now. 58 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: On the self driving Tesla's I'm I'm I'm a bit 59 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: f ex out. I mean, look, I'm totally overstating this, Thomas. 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: I'm not freaked out. I'm a little bit nervous about it. 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: How do you feel. 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'm mostly excited. It can't be worse than the 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: average Keiwi driver. I mean, you know, I've been known 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: to be distracted before or tired, so I'm playing on 65 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: your phone quite exciting. Oh no, never that. But you 66 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: know we're not always at our best. So I think 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: self driving cars are an exciting development. I do worry 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: we're not ready for it in ZTA. Seems like there 69 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 3: might be a little off guard. Certainly, our legislation wasn't 70 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: written with this sort of thing in mind, so we're 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: going to have to adapt pretty quickly because it's just 72 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: going to come faster and faster. More and more people 73 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: will get excited about it. So, yeah, self driving cars future. 74 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Phil, but if I'm walking 75 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: down the road and I see a Tesla coming from now, 76 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: and I'm going to be clapping eyes on that thing, 77 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: like how you know, just to avoid the kind of 78 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: sudden swerve into me. Yeah. 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: Look, I'm not hugely worried because currently you've still got 80 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: to have a supervision. You've got to have somebody behind 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: the wheel, even though the car is theoretically capable of 82 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 4: being totally autonomous. So the rules in New Zealand, such 83 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: as they are, require a fully intentive driver at all 84 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: times by law. Tesla reckons that the car is fifty 85 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: four percent safer than a human driver, and that could 86 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: well be right. You know, you said the machines don't 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: make the same mistakes as human beings, but they might 88 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: make different mistakes. What if the system goes down, you know, 89 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 4: something happens and the electronics fail. You've got to be 90 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 4: You've got to be cautious about it. But I'm not. 91 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: I'm not freaked out about it. Mind you. If I 92 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: did see a car coming down the road with no 93 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 4: driver behind the wheel, I kind of would look for 94 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 4: an escape room if that was necessary. 95 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: I don't think that's likely, but it would freak you out. 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: All right. We'll take a break with the pair of 97 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: you come back in a. 98 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: Take the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the 99 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: global leader and Luxury real Estate. 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: Bussy's valedictory speech is underway right now, so we will 101 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: bring you all the best, but so you don't have 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: to sit through the whole thing. Shortly, it's thirteen away 103 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: from six and of course you're back with a huddle. 104 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: Phil Goff and Thomas Scrimger. Thomas, how do you feel 105 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: about Jimmy Kimmel's show being canceled. 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: Oh, it seems like a bit of a bit of 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: a sketchy situation, really, and I think really disappointing. I mean, 108 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: we talk about kind of cancel culture and all of 109 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: that principles really matter. The American right was deeply worried 110 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: about cancel culture for years under under the Biden administration, 111 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: and now they have asserted kind of cultural dominance, and 112 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 3: now the shoes on the other foot. 113 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 4: Now, Jimmy Kimmel was wrong. 114 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: He was straightforwardly articulating misinformation. He was not correct when 115 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: he was saying that the shooter was Maga, But that 116 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: shouldn't matter. He's a late night comic. His job is 117 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: to articulate opinions, to be funny or try to be, 118 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: and he should be given wide leeway for expressing his opinions. 119 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: I do wonder his show is quite you know, old 120 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: fashioned that late night TV, and incredibly expensive. His you know, equivalent, 121 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 3: Stephen Colbert's show was losing tens of millions of dollars 122 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: a year when it was canceled, So maybe maybe the 123 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: network is trying to do him a bit dirty by 124 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: canceling him for another reason looking for an excuse. 125 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, I did wonder about that carry 126 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: on a Yeah. 127 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: But if you're upset about his you know, his criticisms 128 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: of the MAGA movement and all of that. If people 129 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: are really really worried, the solution is simple, have an 130 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: argument with him. Charlie Kirk at his best was arguing 131 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: with people about things he believed. To cancel Kimmel for 132 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: expressing a controversial view is hardly in the spirit of 133 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: the life Charlie Kirk lived. 134 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: What do You Reckon? Film? 135 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look, I agree with what Thomas said. I 136 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: think that in addition to that, I think it's absolutely 137 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 4: wrong to weaponize assassinations by blaming your political rivals, as 138 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: Trump has done. I mean, we've seen a lot of people, 139 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: even as recently as June, where we had a congresswoman 140 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: in Minnesota, a Democratic congresswoman assassinated and her husband alongside 141 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: by a guy who just killed another law maker, and 142 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 4: the Democrats didn't come out and say this is a 143 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 4: Republican plot. I mean, Kimble's was wrong. This guy wasn't Mega, 144 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 4: although his parents were registered Republicans. But you know, you don't. 145 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: Freedom are free in democratic society. You don't silence people, 146 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: and you don't get somebody in as powerful a position 147 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: as Brendan Carr was as chair of the Federal Communications Commission, 148 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: saying that the pull broadcast licenses unless Disney did something 149 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: about Kimmel's comments. The comments weren't absolutely offensive, they were 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: simply wrong. But if you're basing on things being wrong, 151 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: you know, fact checkers tell us at about seventy percent 152 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: of what Trump's is is not evidence based, and he's 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: not being canceled. So I think you just got to 154 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: have You've got to have that open debate, and you 155 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: don't weaponize and you don't polarize society in a way 156 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: that Trump is really prone to do. If you want 157 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 4: to look anywhere at the level of violence in the 158 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: United States, look at the gun laws, and look at 159 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: the culture of that place, and that explains why the 160 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: United States is much worse than any other country on 161 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: Earth that's a democracy in terms of that sort of 162 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: level of political assassination and gun violence. 163 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: Fair enough, Thomas Listen. There was an interesting survey which 164 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: were covered at the start of the program, saying that 165 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: one in three young men believe equality has gone too far, 166 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: like as in feminism. What do you think is going 167 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: on there? 168 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: Well, firstly, I think it's always worth taking surveys like 169 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: this with something of a grain of salt to get 170 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: this qualitative feedback. You ask a question and you think 171 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: you know what the respondent is hearing when you ask 172 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: the question, but they might be thinking about something else. 173 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: But when we talk about young men specifically, if those 174 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: are immediately you know, university age or school leavers, the 175 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: direct experience of the world is an education system in 176 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: which boys and young men are doing worse than girls 177 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: and young women. Now, obviously income and equality throughout a career, 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: men are still earning more. But if we're looking at 179 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: that youngest cohort, educational equality has been achieved, and so 180 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: that is their most immediate experience. Probably we can also 181 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: think it's just a larger trend, I guess against the 182 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: affirmative action moves we've seen in previous years towards the 183 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 3: more traditional or conservative view among young men. So there 184 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: is a real shaft, but I wouldn't overinterpret it. 185 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did wonder if it's the affirmative action stuff, Phil, 186 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: what do you reckon? 187 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really curious as to why in what respect 188 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: they think that equality has gone too far, and the 189 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: survey doesn't really tell us that girls are doing better 190 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: in education and in a lot of areas, but I 191 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: don't think because they're being given any special advantages. We 192 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: do have a problem with young men and boys at 193 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: school that aren't doing as well as they should be, 194 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 4: and I'm not condemning them for that. I'm just thinking 195 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 4: that if we're going to address the problem, we need 196 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: to look at why young men aren't is a focused 197 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: and aren't achieving in the same way as young women. 198 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: But absolutely wrong for them to say it's all because 199 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: equality has gone too far. They need to look at 200 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 4: why they're not doing better and take some responsibility for 201 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: that themselves. And we need to look at the system 202 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 4: to see how we can make young men do better 203 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 4: than they have been doing in the education system. 204 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: Hey guys, thank you appreciate your taking everything there. Phil Goff, 205 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: Thomas Scrumger a huddle this evening 206 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to 207 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 208 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.