1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:15,987 Speaker 2: The Blues have signed Jason Holland as their next head 4 00:00:15,987 --> 00:00:19,827 Speaker 2: coach on a three year deal beginning next season. The 5 00:00:19,867 --> 00:00:23,027 Speaker 2: former All Blacks assistant is currently back on Clark Laidlaw 6 00:00:23,147 --> 00:00:26,147 Speaker 2: staff at the Hurricanes, where he spent four seasons as 7 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:30,947 Speaker 2: head coach between twenty twenty and twenty twenty three inclusive. 8 00:00:31,267 --> 00:00:34,467 Speaker 2: Jason Holland will replace Vern Cotter, he's leaving after this 9 00:00:34,547 --> 00:00:38,627 Speaker 2: season to take over at the Queensland Reds. Jason Holland 10 00:00:38,787 --> 00:00:41,187 Speaker 2: is with us on Weekend Sports Jays. Congratulations on the 11 00:00:41,227 --> 00:00:44,107 Speaker 2: new role. Why does this feel like the right move 12 00:00:44,187 --> 00:00:44,547 Speaker 2: for you? 13 00:00:45,267 --> 00:00:48,107 Speaker 3: Man? It's obviously an exciting opportunity for me for twenty 14 00:00:48,147 --> 00:00:53,587 Speaker 3: seven Obviously, Blues are club stiked with history over the 15 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:57,667 Speaker 3: last thirty years. Actually ironically I was at the Kynes 16 00:00:57,707 --> 00:01:01,067 Speaker 3: Blues game thirty years ago, so I've just remembered that 17 00:01:01,147 --> 00:01:04,147 Speaker 3: over the last twenty four hours. But no, look, any 18 00:01:04,187 --> 00:01:07,267 Speaker 3: conversations I've had with the people in the Blues as 19 00:01:07,307 --> 00:01:11,827 Speaker 3: a clear, clear potential to continue to build on the 20 00:01:11,947 --> 00:01:15,347 Speaker 3: on the great stuff that's been going on, and I 21 00:01:15,387 --> 00:01:17,867 Speaker 3: see so much potential with the people there, with the players, 22 00:01:17,867 --> 00:01:21,827 Speaker 3: with the with the management, and the opportunity there to 23 00:01:21,827 --> 00:01:24,387 Speaker 3: to try and play some footy and win some games 24 00:01:24,427 --> 00:01:26,947 Speaker 3: and excite the people around the Auckland region and the 25 00:01:26,987 --> 00:01:29,667 Speaker 3: and the Northernd region, the Blues region is pretty exciting 26 00:01:29,707 --> 00:01:34,547 Speaker 3: for me. So obviously it's six months away before you 27 00:01:34,547 --> 00:01:38,187 Speaker 3: know I fully invest myself in that, but it's a 28 00:01:38,187 --> 00:01:39,307 Speaker 3: pretty good opportunity for me. 29 00:01:39,347 --> 00:01:42,067 Speaker 2: I think, were you always keen to get back into 30 00:01:42,147 --> 00:01:43,507 Speaker 2: a head coaching role. 31 00:01:44,067 --> 00:01:48,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think definitely definitely wanted to be the head 32 00:01:48,947 --> 00:01:51,187 Speaker 3: coach at some stage. Like I enjoy the attack role 33 00:01:51,187 --> 00:01:54,947 Speaker 3: obviously and just bossing attack. But you know, you learn 34 00:01:54,987 --> 00:01:56,507 Speaker 3: things along the way, don't you, And you pick up 35 00:01:56,507 --> 00:02:00,827 Speaker 3: little things and you understand more and more around people 36 00:02:00,867 --> 00:02:02,587 Speaker 3: and how you get the best out of people. I think, 37 00:02:02,627 --> 00:02:06,587 Speaker 3: and so as I sort of really dug deeper over 38 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:09,387 Speaker 3: the last three or four months figuring out exactly what 39 00:02:09,427 --> 00:02:11,347 Speaker 3: I wanted to do, was clear that helping people to 40 00:02:11,387 --> 00:02:13,227 Speaker 3: be at their best is a messive part of what 41 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:16,867 Speaker 3: I do, and I still want to be fully invested 42 00:02:16,907 --> 00:02:20,427 Speaker 3: in the attack side of the game and how and 43 00:02:20,467 --> 00:02:22,627 Speaker 3: how you play the game, but also you know, I'm 44 00:02:22,627 --> 00:02:25,027 Speaker 3: pretty excited about trying to help other people be at 45 00:02:25,027 --> 00:02:26,507 Speaker 3: their best and I see that a big part of 46 00:02:26,547 --> 00:02:27,267 Speaker 3: being a head coach. 47 00:02:27,827 --> 00:02:29,747 Speaker 2: How do you reflect on your time jas with the 48 00:02:29,787 --> 00:02:32,507 Speaker 2: All Blacks and how much do you think that improved 49 00:02:32,547 --> 00:02:33,507 Speaker 2: you as a coach. 50 00:02:34,667 --> 00:02:36,627 Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's just natural, you know, in this 51 00:02:36,747 --> 00:02:39,147 Speaker 3: coaching world, and I think whoever you talk to around 52 00:02:39,707 --> 00:02:43,467 Speaker 3: your progression and you go from you know, from year 53 00:02:43,507 --> 00:02:45,787 Speaker 3: to year, from season to season in different environments, you 54 00:02:45,787 --> 00:02:49,387 Speaker 3: pick up things that I do that differently for myself. 55 00:02:49,707 --> 00:02:51,867 Speaker 3: You know's I used to do that a bit. You know, 56 00:02:52,587 --> 00:02:55,747 Speaker 3: I can be better there. So I think, you know, 57 00:02:56,027 --> 00:02:58,067 Speaker 3: it's not relevant to the All Blacks, it's not relevant 58 00:02:58,107 --> 00:02:59,987 Speaker 3: to anything. I think it's just relevant to another season 59 00:03:00,027 --> 00:03:02,347 Speaker 3: the footy with different players and different people that you 60 00:03:03,067 --> 00:03:06,227 Speaker 3: pick up things that you like and you find ways 61 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:09,747 Speaker 3: to better. And I think that's pretty important for us 62 00:03:09,747 --> 00:03:12,707 Speaker 3: as coaches, that you don't get stuck thinking you have 63 00:03:12,747 --> 00:03:16,507 Speaker 3: it right, because we never really do. Because everything's evolving 64 00:03:16,547 --> 00:03:19,987 Speaker 3: so quickly, you can always be better. So yeah, I'm learning. 65 00:03:20,027 --> 00:03:22,587 Speaker 3: I'm learning all and I've jumped back into the canes 66 00:03:22,627 --> 00:03:26,787 Speaker 3: and had a lesser role. We've good people in there 67 00:03:26,787 --> 00:03:31,027 Speaker 3: and learning more so yep, always always getting better. 68 00:03:31,187 --> 00:03:33,787 Speaker 2: And how are you feeling about donning the blue and 69 00:03:33,827 --> 00:03:36,627 Speaker 2: white of the Blues after such a long connection with 70 00:03:36,667 --> 00:03:37,387 Speaker 2: the Hurricanes. 71 00:03:38,187 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, obviously the Canes has been a big part 72 00:03:41,227 --> 00:03:42,827 Speaker 3: of my life, you know, over the last ten years, 73 00:03:44,027 --> 00:03:46,827 Speaker 3: and sort of you know, a mess of gratitude towards 74 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:48,507 Speaker 3: what the Canes have given me, and I hope that 75 00:03:48,787 --> 00:03:50,827 Speaker 3: I've left a bit of an impact in the Canes 76 00:03:50,827 --> 00:03:52,947 Speaker 3: and we finished up the twenty sixth season over those 77 00:03:53,027 --> 00:03:56,387 Speaker 3: ten years, but rarely is it's an exciting I know, 78 00:03:56,427 --> 00:03:58,027 Speaker 3: it's a great group of people up in the Blues. 79 00:03:58,067 --> 00:04:00,547 Speaker 3: As I said to you, it's the legacy of the 80 00:04:00,547 --> 00:04:04,307 Speaker 3: club is exciting and excited around the community up there. 81 00:04:04,387 --> 00:04:10,067 Speaker 3: So short be different, But I suppose I've always been 82 00:04:10,107 --> 00:04:12,027 Speaker 3: one that once you're in an environment, you're you're one 83 00:04:12,067 --> 00:04:14,187 Speaker 3: hundred percent in. And I'll be in the Canes one 84 00:04:14,227 --> 00:04:17,147 Speaker 3: hundred percent until the end of the season, and then 85 00:04:18,067 --> 00:04:20,467 Speaker 3: I'll be pumped about getting into the Blues and studying 86 00:04:20,507 --> 00:04:21,467 Speaker 3: something a little bit different. 87 00:04:21,947 --> 00:04:23,827 Speaker 2: Just on that, Jayce, You've still go obviously got current 88 00:04:23,827 --> 00:04:27,107 Speaker 2: commitments with the Hurricanes as assistant coach, So how do 89 00:04:27,147 --> 00:04:29,827 Speaker 2: you balance that staying present in your current role while 90 00:04:29,827 --> 00:04:32,747 Speaker 2: also having half a mind or some of your mind 91 00:04:32,787 --> 00:04:35,427 Speaker 2: on twenty twenty seven with the Blues. 92 00:04:36,307 --> 00:04:38,107 Speaker 3: Look, I don't think it's going to be too tough 93 00:04:38,107 --> 00:04:42,467 Speaker 3: to be honest, As I said, dealing with the with 94 00:04:42,587 --> 00:04:45,547 Speaker 3: the Boys and the Blues, that's outstanding, really really clear 95 00:04:45,627 --> 00:04:49,427 Speaker 3: around from both sides, you know, making sure that we're 96 00:04:49,467 --> 00:04:51,547 Speaker 3: really focused on what's the job at hand at the moment. 97 00:04:53,307 --> 00:04:55,827 Speaker 3: Obviously there'll be little bits of catch ups every now 98 00:04:55,867 --> 00:04:58,547 Speaker 3: and then to make sure everything's on track, but reality 99 00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:03,507 Speaker 3: is it should be ninety five percent mindset around the Canes. 100 00:05:03,507 --> 00:05:05,547 Speaker 3: In a little bit of spare time, we'll tidy up 101 00:05:05,547 --> 00:05:09,387 Speaker 3: things getting forward. So I think the beauty and what 102 00:05:09,427 --> 00:05:11,587 Speaker 3: I really appreciate is both clubs have been really great 103 00:05:11,627 --> 00:05:16,147 Speaker 3: around understanding that and understanding that. As I said, I'm 104 00:05:16,147 --> 00:05:18,187 Speaker 3: fully invested in what I'm doing at the time, and 105 00:05:19,147 --> 00:05:22,427 Speaker 3: then when it's when it's time to do something else, 106 00:05:22,467 --> 00:05:24,147 Speaker 3: I'll be fully invested in that. So the clubs have 107 00:05:24,147 --> 00:05:24,787 Speaker 3: been great around that. 108 00:05:25,507 --> 00:05:28,147 Speaker 2: You're well known obviously for your work with the Backsend 109 00:05:28,187 --> 00:05:30,867 Speaker 2: on Attack, Ruben Love singing your Prices on the radio 110 00:05:31,067 --> 00:05:33,747 Speaker 2: yesterday as well. On that as a head coach, do 111 00:05:33,827 --> 00:05:37,867 Speaker 2: you naturally gravitate towards the attacking side of the game 112 00:05:38,107 --> 00:05:39,867 Speaker 2: the back line side of the game. 113 00:05:40,787 --> 00:05:43,107 Speaker 3: That's good observation point it because obviously that is a 114 00:05:43,107 --> 00:05:47,707 Speaker 3: little tweak from where I'm at. I suppose in my 115 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:49,587 Speaker 3: mindset at the moment, it's around what we do with 116 00:05:49,627 --> 00:05:51,787 Speaker 3: the ball on how we I suppose, big picture, how 117 00:05:51,787 --> 00:05:55,707 Speaker 3: we win the games. But you know, it's maybe something 118 00:05:55,707 --> 00:05:59,187 Speaker 3: that I thought around my last scope as a head coach, 119 00:05:59,227 --> 00:06:01,507 Speaker 3: and that maybe I need to make sure I'm really 120 00:06:01,587 --> 00:06:04,427 Speaker 3: rounded around the defense and around breakdown, around all those 121 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:07,067 Speaker 3: little things of the game that set peace stuff thrown 122 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,827 Speaker 3: a lots about that, you know that we can I 123 00:06:09,867 --> 00:06:11,747 Speaker 3: can put a bit of a focus on. And but 124 00:06:11,827 --> 00:06:14,027 Speaker 3: as I say, I've got a bit of a as 125 00:06:14,027 --> 00:06:16,827 Speaker 3: I've learned around especially for a coaching stuff, how do 126 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:18,747 Speaker 3: I help all the coaches be at their best? And 127 00:06:18,787 --> 00:06:21,747 Speaker 3: that will mean that I need to be really smarter 128 00:06:21,907 --> 00:06:23,827 Speaker 3: and understanding all parts of the game and how we 129 00:06:23,907 --> 00:06:26,027 Speaker 3: get coaches at their best. 130 00:06:26,587 --> 00:06:29,187 Speaker 2: How do you reckon You'll go sitting in a blues 131 00:06:29,227 --> 00:06:31,947 Speaker 2: coaching box coaching against the Hurricanes. 132 00:06:33,067 --> 00:06:38,267 Speaker 3: Yeah, look it'll be it'll be different. But as I 133 00:06:38,267 --> 00:06:41,507 Speaker 3: said to you, once I'm in, I'm in, and when 134 00:06:41,507 --> 00:06:43,507 Speaker 3: it comes to twenty seven, then there's going to be 135 00:06:43,507 --> 00:06:45,467 Speaker 3: one thing on my mind in that game, around around 136 00:06:45,507 --> 00:06:49,507 Speaker 3: getting a result, which is footy, isn't it. So it's 137 00:06:49,507 --> 00:06:51,747 Speaker 3: a reality of it. As I said, the Canes will 138 00:06:51,747 --> 00:06:56,267 Speaker 3: always be part of who I am, and that'll yeah, 139 00:06:56,907 --> 00:06:58,787 Speaker 3: the Blues will become part of who I am. The 140 00:06:58,827 --> 00:07:00,227 Speaker 3: minimum in there And just. 141 00:07:00,467 --> 00:07:03,547 Speaker 2: A wider question in terms of your evolution as a coach, 142 00:07:03,667 --> 00:07:06,907 Speaker 2: and I know you're always looking to learn more. How 143 00:07:06,987 --> 00:07:10,107 Speaker 2: have you evolved as a coach over your time with 144 00:07:10,187 --> 00:07:11,627 Speaker 2: elite rugby teams? 145 00:07:12,387 --> 00:07:14,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think probably the biggest thing for 146 00:07:14,307 --> 00:07:17,067 Speaker 3: me point over the last last few years is made 147 00:07:17,067 --> 00:07:20,787 Speaker 3: I've always been let's play, let's play great footy, let's 148 00:07:20,827 --> 00:07:24,347 Speaker 3: throw the ball around. I think I probably learned you 149 00:07:24,387 --> 00:07:26,667 Speaker 3: can still do that, but the balance of how you win, 150 00:07:29,027 --> 00:07:32,587 Speaker 3: making sure that all the simple little parts of the game, 151 00:07:32,587 --> 00:07:34,227 Speaker 3: which maybe I would have found a little bit boring 152 00:07:34,267 --> 00:07:38,107 Speaker 3: in the past, how they can setch up to play well. 153 00:07:39,907 --> 00:07:41,947 Speaker 3: And I think probably what we got on Friday night 154 00:07:41,987 --> 00:07:43,747 Speaker 3: from the Hurricanes is probably a good part of that, 155 00:07:43,907 --> 00:07:46,947 Speaker 3: and that you would have seen the simple things done 156 00:07:46,987 --> 00:07:49,347 Speaker 3: really well in the game management part allowed us to 157 00:07:49,387 --> 00:07:52,787 Speaker 3: play some footing and that's probably how what is what 158 00:07:52,907 --> 00:07:54,387 Speaker 3: has been important to me going forward? 159 00:07:54,587 --> 00:07:56,947 Speaker 2: And how much do you think you'll tweak the way 160 00:07:56,987 --> 00:08:00,307 Speaker 2: the Blues have played under Verne Cootta once you become 161 00:08:00,387 --> 00:08:01,107 Speaker 2: their head coach. 162 00:08:01,907 --> 00:08:05,787 Speaker 3: Oh, look what I've seen is they won a championship, 163 00:08:05,787 --> 00:08:11,427 Speaker 3: won the title again. Saw the style last night, how 164 00:08:11,467 --> 00:08:13,947 Speaker 3: they were dominant to get up over over the tar's 165 00:08:14,187 --> 00:08:18,587 Speaker 3: up front. Obviously it's a massive part of the game 166 00:08:18,627 --> 00:08:20,267 Speaker 3: and we'll be looking to build on all the great 167 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:23,867 Speaker 3: stuff that they're doing At the moment. I'd still like 168 00:08:23,987 --> 00:08:26,827 Speaker 3: we saw the second half last last night, the Blues 169 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:29,347 Speaker 3: spreading the ball again in the ball to caleber Clark's 170 00:08:29,347 --> 00:08:30,947 Speaker 3: hands and those sorts of things which got them the 171 00:08:30,947 --> 00:08:33,747 Speaker 3: bonus point in the end. So no, not massive tweaks 172 00:08:33,787 --> 00:08:35,307 Speaker 3: to what's been doing. I want to make sure the 173 00:08:35,907 --> 00:08:39,427 Speaker 3: good work that Vern's installed around how that pack's going 174 00:08:40,107 --> 00:08:43,147 Speaker 3: set peace. Their dominance with the physicality is still a 175 00:08:43,147 --> 00:08:47,147 Speaker 3: big part of how the Blues play. You know, I've 176 00:08:47,187 --> 00:08:49,907 Speaker 3: just got a real drive to make sure that to 177 00:08:50,027 --> 00:08:52,227 Speaker 3: drive skill sets and to make sure you can play 178 00:08:52,227 --> 00:08:54,027 Speaker 3: both ways. You can be nice and direct, but you 179 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:57,307 Speaker 3: can also play the width when when the time is there. 180 00:08:57,427 --> 00:08:59,907 Speaker 3: So you're just hoping to build on all the all 181 00:08:59,947 --> 00:09:01,507 Speaker 3: the great things that the Blues have been doing over 182 00:09:01,507 --> 00:09:02,507 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. 183 00:09:02,707 --> 00:09:05,707 Speaker 2: Good man, Jason, congratulations again on the roll and all 184 00:09:05,707 --> 00:09:07,507 Speaker 2: the best for the rest this season with the Hurricanes 185 00:09:07,507 --> 00:09:09,667 Speaker 2: and then as you attack your new challenge in twenty 186 00:09:09,707 --> 00:09:13,587 Speaker 2: twenty seven. Jason Holland has been confirmed as the Blues 187 00:09:13,627 --> 00:09:16,827 Speaker 2: head coach for twenty twenty seven and beyond, a three 188 00:09:16,907 --> 00:09:19,987 Speaker 2: year deal beginning next season, taking the place of Verne 189 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:21,947 Speaker 2: Cotter who was off to the Reds, to take over 190 00:09:21,987 --> 00:09:25,107 Speaker 2: from Les Kiss who was off to the Wallabies. Of course, 191 00:09:25,147 --> 00:09:28,787 Speaker 2: so these are these slots open and then they're filled 192 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:30,387 Speaker 2: and we move. 193 00:09:30,307 --> 00:09:34,307 Speaker 1: On for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen 194 00:09:34,387 --> 00:09:37,627 Speaker 1: live to News Talk sed B weekends from midday or 195 00:09:37,707 --> 00:09:39,667 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.