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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday. It is Jinny Anderson and Mark Mitchell.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you both.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Mike, morning Jenny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Mike, and congratulations Mark. I hope you had

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Speaker 3: a wonderful day.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a stunning day, Sirah was absolutely beautiful. Couldn't

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Speaker 2: have gone any better.

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Speaker 1: Good on you. Can I quiz you a couple of

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Speaker 1: quick quiz questions, Mark, and I'm sure Ginny is equally

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Speaker 1: gripped by a design. What the It was a funny

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Speaker 1: old interaction I had with the Prime Minister this week.

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Speaker 1: I said, did you get him a gift? And he

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Speaker 1: had a sort of a I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it vibe about it. And I thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: here we go, this could get interesting.

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Speaker 3: And he said, he said, it wasn't another one. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't one man.

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Speaker 1: Skaters, So that you got was a manscaper.

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Speaker 2: No, we said, no, I definitely didn't get a manscaper.

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Speaker 2: But we know we said, we said, don't give us

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Speaker 2: a gift, make a donation to pitt Refuge, okay, which

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Speaker 2: is something set up by Dame Julie Chapman. And what

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Speaker 2: is that women predominantly that are caught in domestic violence

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Speaker 2: and won't leave because of their pet. They can the

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Speaker 2: pet can go to pet refuge and it gives them

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Speaker 2: a pathway out. So we just said, we said, make

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Speaker 2: a donation to them.

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Speaker 1: He claims he gave me a ceramics from WAYHICKI.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well, Sarah's sorting that. We did get some gifts,

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Speaker 2: so Siah'll be sorting through.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're going.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I get home, when I get home this

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Speaker 2: week sometime, I'll find out what they were and put

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Speaker 2: some thinking them, well.

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Speaker 1: I probably ruined it for it's ceramics from you.

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Speaker 4: Know, there's a guy up and there's a guy up

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Speaker 4: in the in the plenty called Matt Mitchell who does

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Speaker 4: ceramics up there, and I get a lot of people

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Speaker 4: come out to me going, oh, we didn't know you

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Speaker 4: were a potter and you did ceramics.

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Speaker 2: There's actually more than one person that's called Matt Richell

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: You could buy a whole lot of those make and

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Speaker 3: then just give them away for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Think, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Have a Mark Mitchell original. By the way, this this

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Speaker 1: this fundraiser. You're aware you're going to a fundraiser where

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Speaker 1: we pay eight thousand dollars to sit next to you

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Speaker 1: at a table in christ.

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Speaker 2: J Yes, I mean this is the way that we

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Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, political parties

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Speaker 2: have to raise money to campaign on and you don't

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Speaker 2: want tax bars providing political parties money. So you ride

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Speaker 2: your supporters to come out and you raise money and

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Speaker 2: this is how you do it. And in terms of excess,

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Speaker 2: I mean New Zealand has got New Zealand as the

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Speaker 2: only country in the world that you get easy access,

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Speaker 2: huge access to MP's and ministers. I mean you can

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Speaker 2: get on a flight to Wellington, you might be sitting

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Speaker 2: next to the five minister. You know, it's very very

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Speaker 2: easy to have access to us. We're not and we

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Speaker 2: should keep it like that. I was traveling down from

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Speaker 2: up North with the PM the other day after the

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Speaker 2: weather events up there, and we stopped at Meccas and

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Speaker 2: rare Elsford and we had dinner with a couple of

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Speaker 2: truckies you know over over. I'm going to get christ

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Speaker 2: in trouble with Amanda on this one, but hey, we

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Speaker 2: felt like a mekas I just dropped. I just dropped

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Speaker 2: myself in it as well. By the way, so she

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Speaker 2: was going to be straight on the blur after this.

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Speaker 3: But one of those milkshakes with with you know, Lilli,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: But I love the I love the line that shakes,

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Speaker 2: but they're not selling them at the moment, so you've

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Speaker 2: got to give them a little banana.

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Speaker 1: How How who pays when the Prime Minister and the

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Speaker 1: Minister of the Crown sets down with a couple of truckies,

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Speaker 1: who pays the Prime Minister pay?

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Speaker 2: I think on that one he paid, and I think

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Speaker 2: he gave his fries to one of them as well

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Speaker 2: because he was. We did feel a bit guilty. We're

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Speaker 2: not meant to beating Metas, but hey we are hungry.

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Speaker 2: You've been there on the ground all day.

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Speaker 3: Gave him for price. It's very generous. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Weight loss. But he will on a bit of weight loss.

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Speaker 1: Broger, Oh, this is too funny. How much do you

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Speaker 1: see a problem with it, Ginny in terms of the

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Speaker 1: I forget the national side of the equation. You guys

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Speaker 1: have done it as well. Is raising money by doing

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Speaker 1: tables and stuff and meeting to Sindra and all that

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Speaker 1: sort of not It's just it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I guess it is what it is. It always gets

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Speaker 3: a little bit harder depending on who's doing it, right,

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Speaker 3: So if you're paying a large amount of money and

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Speaker 3: if they're getting something out of it, so I guess

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Speaker 3: that's the question you've got to take a look at,

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Speaker 3: which sometimes ends up being looked at various bodies. That

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Speaker 3: if they've asked for something, or if they're getting something

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Speaker 3: like a decision, or if there's something coming as a

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Speaker 3: result of that, that's when it gets tricky. But if

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Speaker 3: they're just paying, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, good on.

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Speaker 3: Anyone who wants to pay ak to s needs to mark.

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Speaker 3: But if you're really getting something out of it, like

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Speaker 3: a policy decision change or something's happening as a result,

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Speaker 3: I think that's when people would get a bit suspicious

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Speaker 3: about whether it's Koshure or not.

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Speaker 1: Jenny so Hipkins City's not in government. It's not his

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Speaker 1: job to come up with ideas. He hasn't come up

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Speaker 1: with any ideas. What would you can you in one

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Speaker 1: criticize what the government did yesterday if you haven't got

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Speaker 1: any ideas of your own? And two have you got

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Speaker 1: some ideas of your own?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think he has said and generally what would

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Speaker 3: happen in terms of what we've done in the past

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Speaker 3: and whatever you And part of that was encouraging people

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Speaker 3: to be pragmatic and work from home if they want

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Speaker 3: to work from home. Look, we've done stuff in the

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Speaker 3: past around public transport being subsidized and helping school kids

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Speaker 3: also a transport that makes a big difference for the family.

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Speaker 3: So you know, like, while he's right, it's not our

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Speaker 3: job to come up with solutions, we have had solutions,

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Speaker 3: and we have discussed those, and we've also provided some

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Speaker 3: of those that this government has undone and taken away.

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Speaker 1: Like would you have yesterday, would you have materially done

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Speaker 1: anything different?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not the leader.

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Speaker 1: Then you can't criticize it, can you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there are questions being raised by many

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Speaker 3: people who have written to me overnight. Are who are pensioners,

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Speaker 3: who are super innuitent, who are students, who are people

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Speaker 3: without there I think that these are the people that

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Speaker 3: are writing to us saying I still can't afford to

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Speaker 3: buy food. So you know, I think I think it's

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Speaker 3: good that they've done something that helps some people. But

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Speaker 3: I think the problem that's going to be faced is

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Speaker 3: that many people who are still struggling to be able

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Speaker 3: to afford to buy food haven't been able to receive it.

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Speaker 1: Would you give it the money?

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Speaker 3: Look, I need to see the books. We need to

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Speaker 3: unwill we know what the books are.

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Speaker 1: We've got no money and.

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Speaker 3: We need to see that. We need to see that

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Speaker 3: at the budget to understand. So the government's committed to

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Speaker 3: a debt level and this has taken them. I think

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Speaker 3: it's about it's a three hundred million over a year,

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Speaker 3: So we need to be clear. And that's Barbara Edmond's job.

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Speaker 3: Her job is to look at all of the commitments

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Speaker 3: the government has made and being able to fund them.

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Speaker 1: I do worry if I was criticizing you at all,

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Speaker 1: and I did mention it to Nicola Mark, is that

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Speaker 1: I think this thing is not a thing. It's no

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Speaker 1: one likes it. It's horrific. It'll be done soon. And

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Speaker 1: you've pulled the trigger on three hundred and seventy million

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Speaker 1: dollars you don't have. And by August this is going

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Speaker 2: Well that's coming out of the operating rounds, So that's

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Speaker 2: not you borrowing at all. We just had to as

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Speaker 2: a government as ministers, we just have to find more cuts,

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Speaker 2: to find a way to be able to pay for that.

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Speaker 2: We will do that in a responsible way. But we felt,

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Speaker 2: really felt very strongly that one hundred and forty three

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Speaker 2: thousand working families with children, they are the ones that

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Speaker 2: need that fifty dollars a week boost most. So it's

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Speaker 2: very very targeted, it's very focused, which is what we

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Speaker 2: have to be as a government. We're dealing with a

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Speaker 2: serious global situation that is having a serious impact on

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Speaker 2: every country around the world. We've got to be very clear,

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Speaker 2: right and focused in terms of what we do to

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Speaker 2: try and buffer ourselves as a country from there as

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Speaker 2: best we can, and that is what we do. In

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Speaker 2: The choice is very clear. You go for a labor

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Speaker 2: government again, you're they're going to put us right back

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Speaker 2: in the same position. Big inflationary inflation will go back

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Speaker 2: up to around seven eight percent again, interest rates will

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Speaker 2: how to do anything other than tax, borrow, and spend,

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Speaker 2: and their spending is never targeted. They never have anything

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Speaker 2: big challenge in our job in this coming election is

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Speaker 2: to remind people of that.

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Speaker 3: So what about So I'm just going to say, what

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Speaker 3: what about workers?

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Speaker 1: No idea?

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Speaker 3: The result, I.

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Speaker 1: Get it, everyone finish which.

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Speaker 3: Lost their jobs yesterday. I mean they've got to try

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Speaker 3: and get to work to find a job. You've got

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Speaker 3: people who can't use customer.

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Speaker 1: No one's arguing, it's just that where are you getting

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Speaker 1: You either say we would pay the money and say it,

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Speaker 1: or you say we don't have any money, therefore we

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Speaker 1: can't afford to do It's one or the other.

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Speaker 3: Well, when we when we get to see the box,

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Speaker 3: which is at the budget time, we will come out

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Speaker 3: with a full package of how things are funded. But

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Speaker 3: I think there are many many New Zealanders who looked

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Speaker 3: at that and said it's just not going to help

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Speaker 3: me one minute.

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Speaker 2: Completely devoid of completely devoid of ideas. All they know

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Speaker 2: how to do is their default setting is to tax,

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Speaker 2: borrow and spend. That is it. And yes, we're for

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Speaker 2: a tough situation. You've got no policy. We're just going

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Speaker 2: to give one with it as a government and we're

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Speaker 2: going to do what we have to do to give

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Speaker 2: that work So one last thing.

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Speaker 3: Some of that spending that you said was you know, exorbitant.

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop will be cutting the ribbon on a couple

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Speaker 3: of local infrastructure projects over the next couple of months

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Speaker 3: COVID funding that's paid for this. What you said was

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Speaker 3: wasteful spending. And you've got the minister who's also the

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Speaker 3: local MP, ribbon on that wasteful on that wasteful spending.

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Speaker 2: Quick, quick, wood Life can't deliver infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, quick, thank you, Karen Leone, Ginny, Karen Leoni. So

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Speaker 1: she doesn't. She runs for the mayor of Auckland, losers badly.

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Speaker 1: Then the next thing she's coming to the Labor party

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Speaker 1: is she is she any good? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: I haven't met it personally here, She's good, she whoops hard.

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Speaker 3: We're looking forward to having a tight contest in that area.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, she'll be good, be interesting. It's nice to

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Speaker 3: have young people who are eager and wanting to stand

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Speaker 3: for labor and run a strong campaign in that area.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Wichbrook van Veld and mark your observations.

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Speaker 2: I've got enormous respect for her. I mean I've worked

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Speaker 2: closely with her in cabinet and and you know, I

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Speaker 2: think she's been outstanding. She's a real conviction politician, and

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Speaker 2: but I wish her all the best. She's a young

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Speaker 2: lady and she wants to go and do some other things,

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Speaker 2: and I completely get it.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon, Jinny?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I be.

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Speaker 3: Interested to know why she's leaving. It's always, you know,

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Speaker 3: when you have an emergency press you know, quick, quick

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Speaker 3: press conference, there's always something else going on.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the press conference? Did you watch the press.

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Speaker 3: Decided to do something else?

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the press conference?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Today she said, she said, you've got to take a

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Speaker 1: woman at her word. Why don't you do that?

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Speaker 3: Will I do? And since you've seen Dad Mark, Mike,

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Speaker 3: I think she's a young woman with a lot of potential,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure she can work short out and take

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Speaker 3: more in the private sector and it would be better,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe she wants to have a life that's

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Speaker 3: a bit more balanced.

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Speaker 2: Off.

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Speaker 1: Well done, well done, congratulations, better better than the Greens

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Speaker 1: last night you see the Greens and she and Danson

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Speaker 1: yin she did that. Ninia gonna miss out? Miserable Jinny

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