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Speaker 2: or was a bit late now to start having New

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Speaker 4: What hello and the Happy New Year to you and

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Speaker 4: your family and all our listeners. You're probably a bit

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Speaker 4: late once, but look I'm I'm in post post recovery

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Speaker 5: Or have you well through it?

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Speaker 2: By now, oh, look, I've been running half marathons.

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Speaker 4: You mean you're putting the you're putting the rubbish outs,

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Speaker 4: are you?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm chasing the grandchildren.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, look I'm chasing them around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to start with a real bit of trivia.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you've sat there and

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Speaker 2: watched the coverage from the Test match in Sydney, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I've got to turn the sound down.

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Speaker 2: I cannot live with some of the crap they talk.

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Speaker 2: But here we go. Has there ever this is for

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Speaker 2: the this is for the listeners. Has there ever been

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Speaker 2: a taller eight nine to ten batting trio than Green,

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Speaker 2: Webster and Stark. Now, I don't know whether you've got

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Speaker 2: the answer that. I mean, Ambrose and Walsh might find something.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it was.

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Speaker 4: Tall to go with them, and if they brought Garnerman

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Speaker 2: But they were playing a different era of those ones.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, if you if you can think of one

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Speaker 2: on the front foot twenty to gmail dot com. But

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Speaker 2: I mean Green, Webster and Start and Stark is the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is that leads you into things like

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Speaker 2: First choice, wouldn't he?

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Speaker 5: He might be there? Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: and well predictable, experienced players with a lot of Ta

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Speaker 2: twitty skills sent as the captain Finnellen Bracewall. That's Michael Bracewall,

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Speaker 2: You can't leave him out of any side, can you.

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Speaker 4: Ferguson and Milne both both have been susceptible to fitness worries,

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Speaker 4: But I think there's more more the more suspect of

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Speaker 4: And you know that's very important to start of the innings,

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Speaker 4: they've gone from Milne for those reasons, I guess, and

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Speaker 4: the same in terms of finale. Who's been to those

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Speaker 5: They've got to.

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Speaker 4: There are four groups of five, so there are twenty

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Speaker 4: here we go Afghanistan first, the same as it was

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Speaker 4: in the West Indies, but asking yeah, absolutely and two

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Speaker 4: six thirty pm New Zealand time, I think at UAE.

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Speaker 4: Then they play on the tenth two days later at

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Speaker 5: And then another.

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Speaker 4: Tough one South Africa, who are playing very well, aren't

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Speaker 4: And that's the fifteenth of February. It's an am and Abad,

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Speaker 5: They're the big one.

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Speaker 8: approach that didn't combat difficult conditions?

437
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Speaker 7: Well again that that that really comes down to it. Yes,

438
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Speaker 7: it did do, did do a lot. And you know

439
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Speaker 7: when I sort of said, well, you never quite know

440
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Speaker 7: what you're going to get at the MCG anyway, it's

441
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Speaker 7: always been a bit unpredictable.

442
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Speaker 6: The pitch itself.

443
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Speaker 7: Does tend to seem a bit early doors and then

444
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Speaker 7: at the end it goes with up and down and

445
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Speaker 7: actually turns a bit. I mean, you know, all who's

446
00:24:44,253 --> 00:24:50,093
Speaker 7: got lots of five is at mcg. They deliberately left

447
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:53,813
Speaker 7: three centimeters on the pitch at Melbourne from the one

448
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Speaker 7: that was in Perth apparently, so you were going to

449
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Speaker 7: have to expect it to probably do a bit. And yes,

450
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Speaker 7: the old ball was was quite moved quite a lot.

451
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Speaker 7: But again you know some of the shots that were

452
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Speaker 7: played to sort of what i'd say normally good balls

453
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Speaker 7: just outside the off stump that you might leave.

454
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Speaker 6: We didn't and they didn't. And again you had a

455
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Speaker 6: Test match that finished in.

456
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Speaker 7: Two days which was just quite incredible, and you have

457
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Speaker 7: to ask whether the authorities at the Cricket Australia had

458
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Speaker 7: identified two pitches that were going to be result pitches

459
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Speaker 7: for their seemers, which was obviously Berth and Melbourne. And

460
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Speaker 7: was that the order that came from there? I don't know,

461
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Speaker 7: but it seemed very strange having had a two day

462
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Speaker 7: Test match to actually possibly give the opportunity for it

463
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Speaker 7: to happen again, it's not particularly good for cricket. I

464
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Speaker 7: never thought i'd see a two day Test match, let

465
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Speaker 7: alone two in three Test matches. I mean it was

466
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Speaker 7: just again quite incredible and you know, to be fair,

467
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Speaker 7: as I said, England have had a chance in certainly

468
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Speaker 7: two out of the three matches in Adelaide as well.

469
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Speaker 7: I mean, we were playing well and all of a

470
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Speaker 7: sud you know Smith is it start for four fours

471
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Speaker 7: and then tries to do a fifth for no reason

472
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Speaker 7: whatsoever and gets out when they were getting pretty closer

473
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Speaker 7: down to double figures. And you know, Brooke did it

474
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Speaker 7: at the Oval against India when you know there was

475
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Speaker 7: seventy to win with him and Joe in we didn't

476
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Speaker 7: have Wokesie and you know, instead of just knocking it

477
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Speaker 7: around and because they were in total control as well

478
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Speaker 7: Smith by the way he was playing, and you just

479
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Speaker 7: don't do that, you know, you you look at the

480
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Speaker 7: situation and you make the right decision. So you know,

481
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Speaker 7: we all make mistakes. I've made many in my life,

482
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Speaker 7: as we all have, but you try not to keep

483
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Speaker 7: doing it. And if you see other members of the

484
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Speaker 7: team doing it and doing it at the wrong time,

485
00:26:57,213 --> 00:26:59,733
Speaker 7: surely you should be learning from that and learning from

486
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Speaker 7: other people's mistakes, especially when it comes down to game situations.

487
00:27:04,413 --> 00:27:05,573
Speaker 6: Because that's what it's about.

488
00:27:05,813 --> 00:27:07,973
Speaker 7: So is it the fact they don't play many games

489
00:27:08,013 --> 00:27:10,253
Speaker 7: in there, or they don't plan these sort of situations.

490
00:27:10,293 --> 00:27:14,253
Speaker 7: Therefore you know they're not They don't understand what what

491
00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:17,173
Speaker 7: what what the what the pluses and minuses are of

492
00:27:17,253 --> 00:27:18,613
Speaker 7: certain things at certain times.

493
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Speaker 6: I don't know.

494
00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,613
Speaker 7: It just seems strange because you know, I know it's changed,

495
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Speaker 7: and I know there's a lot more shots out they were.

496
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Speaker 7: I sure Brook back in New Zealand as you did.

497
00:27:29,133 --> 00:27:31,293
Speaker 7: I mean, there wasn't any of this real sort of

498
00:27:31,653 --> 00:27:34,533
Speaker 7: gung ho charging down it bowlers back over their heads,

499
00:27:34,573 --> 00:27:36,813
Speaker 7: but the back came up straight. It came down straight.

500
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Speaker 7: You might play the odd odd little shuffle down the wicket,

501
00:27:40,413 --> 00:27:43,213
Speaker 7: but it never it was never like the frenetic stuff

502
00:27:43,213 --> 00:27:45,533
Speaker 7: that we see at this moment in time. And I

503
00:27:45,653 --> 00:27:51,133
Speaker 7: just wonder why that's happened. But as I say, people

504
00:27:51,173 --> 00:27:53,813
Speaker 7: have got to learn from from what you do in

505
00:27:53,853 --> 00:28:01,613
Speaker 7: a team and and identify the sort of situations of

506
00:28:01,653 --> 00:28:04,173
Speaker 7: the match and and maybe make better decisions.

507
00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:09,573
Speaker 8: Pleads to the sort of final question about the future

508
00:28:09,693 --> 00:28:14,773
Speaker 8: of either players or coaches or managers of Indian cricket.

509
00:28:14,933 --> 00:28:18,853
Speaker 8: Does Sir Brendan McCallum survive, should he survive as the coach?

510
00:28:20,493 --> 00:28:22,773
Speaker 7: Well, look I think he's he's held his hands out

511
00:28:22,813 --> 00:28:25,053
Speaker 7: and say yes, he's probably he's probably got it wrong,

512
00:28:26,773 --> 00:28:27,853
Speaker 7: as I say, what what?

513
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Speaker 6: What worries me, honestly, Ryle is.

514
00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:36,533
Speaker 7: These people who actually are looking after our bowlers fitness

515
00:28:36,533 --> 00:28:40,093
Speaker 7: wires and stuff like that. The fact that you know,

516
00:28:40,173 --> 00:28:42,733
Speaker 7: you've got a guy who's who's been out for eight

517
00:28:42,773 --> 00:28:46,093
Speaker 7: months and hasn't played any any any real tough cricket

518
00:28:46,213 --> 00:28:49,093
Speaker 7: or anything, and you expect him to go into a

519
00:28:49,293 --> 00:28:53,653
Speaker 7: Test match really fired up as a Test match and

520
00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:56,293
Speaker 7: really hasn't been put under an awful lot of pressure

521
00:28:56,293 --> 00:28:58,533
Speaker 7: when he's been bowling apart from in the next to whatever,

522
00:28:59,093 --> 00:29:01,693
Speaker 7: How do these guys say that these people are fit?

523
00:29:03,133 --> 00:29:03,373
Speaker 6: You know?

524
00:29:03,413 --> 00:29:06,253
Speaker 7: And Archers Archer did really well, but in the end

525
00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:08,973
Speaker 7: he's gone back with a side screen acting and another one,

526
00:29:09,093 --> 00:29:11,453
Speaker 7: you know, coming back with a hamstring. And yet someone

527
00:29:11,453 --> 00:29:14,333
Speaker 7: like Mitchell Stark and you know Nissa and I know

528
00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:17,733
Speaker 7: they bowl slightly slower, but they're still bowling. Stark is

529
00:29:17,773 --> 00:29:22,333
Speaker 7: bowling quick, and I appreciate bowling is hard, and the

530
00:29:22,413 --> 00:29:24,213
Speaker 7: fact is you've got to do some hard work to

531
00:29:24,253 --> 00:29:26,893
Speaker 7: get your body in the right right.

532
00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:27,933
Speaker 6: Sort of space.

533
00:29:28,293 --> 00:29:30,453
Speaker 7: And you know, and I take my hat off to

534
00:29:30,493 --> 00:29:33,973
Speaker 7: the bowlers because it's bloody hard work. So you know,

535
00:29:34,813 --> 00:29:38,453
Speaker 7: the question for me is they put a strategy together

536
00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:41,173
Speaker 7: around the fast bowl of one of which was recovering

537
00:29:41,733 --> 00:29:43,853
Speaker 7: and you know, to me that sort of sent the

538
00:29:43,853 --> 00:29:45,933
Speaker 7: wrong message because having played out here most of the

539
00:29:45,973 --> 00:29:51,653
Speaker 7: things and you then watched the Australians bowl even Stark

540
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Speaker 7: and what sort of lengths they bowled and and all

541
00:29:54,373 --> 00:29:56,693
Speaker 7: that sort of stuff, and we had got this in

542
00:29:56,693 --> 00:29:58,453
Speaker 7: our mind that we were going to bowl shorten this

543
00:29:58,533 --> 00:30:00,093
Speaker 7: and that and the other, and we were going to it.

544
00:30:00,253 --> 00:30:03,893
Speaker 7: Just it just to me just seeing understanding the game,

545
00:30:03,973 --> 00:30:08,333
Speaker 7: and obviously one the preparation was needed to we bowled

546
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:11,133
Speaker 7: the wrong lengths and lines, especially when you're playing at

547
00:30:11,133 --> 00:30:13,573
Speaker 7: Perth where it bounce is quite high, and you know

548
00:30:13,773 --> 00:30:15,813
Speaker 7: generally the wickets over here have a little bit more

549
00:30:15,853 --> 00:30:19,013
Speaker 7: bounce in them. So there are just lots of little things.

550
00:30:19,053 --> 00:30:22,973
Speaker 7: But the sports scientists seem to don't seem to understand

551
00:30:22,973 --> 00:30:25,413
Speaker 7: what it takes to actually bowl you've got to bowl,

552
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:28,373
Speaker 7: especially the fast bowlers and especially the spinners. But we

553
00:30:28,413 --> 00:30:31,453
Speaker 7: seem to wrap people up and you stop people playing

554
00:30:31,493 --> 00:30:35,613
Speaker 7: because they need to rest, you know. And I'll go

555
00:30:35,733 --> 00:30:38,333
Speaker 7: back to the old sand that I don't believe that

556
00:30:38,733 --> 00:30:40,653
Speaker 7: the less you play, the better you get at it,

557
00:30:41,093 --> 00:30:43,053
Speaker 7: and the less you play, the stronger you get to

558
00:30:43,053 --> 00:30:45,573
Speaker 7: bowl your overs. And if they have these things called

559
00:30:45,653 --> 00:30:48,893
Speaker 7: red spots where they say, oh, you could get injured,

560
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:51,253
Speaker 7: so does that mean once you see a red spot,

561
00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:53,653
Speaker 7: that's the level you're at and you won't get past it.

562
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Speaker 7: Because if you stop at the red spot all the time,

563
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Speaker 7: you're never going to go through and get any fitter.

564
00:30:59,013 --> 00:31:01,573
Speaker 7: And there's training fit and there's match fit. As we

565
00:31:01,613 --> 00:31:04,373
Speaker 7: all know in football as well, you can train as

566
00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:07,373
Speaker 7: hard as you like, but actually match fitness is a

567
00:31:07,413 --> 00:31:10,373
Speaker 7: totally different animal. And again I think that's the same

568
00:31:10,373 --> 00:31:13,173
Speaker 7: in cricket. And the last two people have stayed really

569
00:31:13,213 --> 00:31:15,773
Speaker 7: fit for a long period of time, although they certainly

570
00:31:15,813 --> 00:31:19,413
Speaker 7: Broady had a serious injury, but they managed to bowl

571
00:31:19,453 --> 00:31:21,493
Speaker 7: their overs and they very rarely sort of didn't play

572
00:31:21,493 --> 00:31:24,253
Speaker 7: a match. But Woody's been going now for ten ten

573
00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:28,733
Speaker 7: years and probably played about thirty eight test matches and

574
00:31:28,933 --> 00:31:32,853
Speaker 7: you've just got to wonder, you know why Jimmy, I

575
00:31:32,853 --> 00:31:35,773
Speaker 7: know he doesn't bowl as fast as Joffer or Atkinson

576
00:31:36,413 --> 00:31:40,173
Speaker 7: Broady probably not, but they bowled their overs, lots of overs,

577
00:31:40,173 --> 00:31:44,533
Speaker 7: and that was because they played more like consider the

578
00:31:44,653 --> 00:31:48,653
Speaker 7: right way to actually get their bodies used to bowling,

579
00:31:49,293 --> 00:31:53,133
Speaker 7: you know, alonger spells and actually have a bit more

580
00:31:53,133 --> 00:31:56,813
Speaker 7: sort of durability about them because their bodies are stronger.

581
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Speaker 7: So I'd just like to understand what these sports scientists

582
00:32:02,133 --> 00:32:05,493
Speaker 7: and why they're not getting the creditism too, because it

583
00:32:05,613 --> 00:32:10,293
Speaker 7: really does make a huge impact on when you're touring

584
00:32:10,293 --> 00:32:13,493
Speaker 7: Australia that you need people to stay fit for five

585
00:32:13,573 --> 00:32:17,053
Speaker 7: for five five matches and Stark has proven that nessa

586
00:32:17,973 --> 00:32:21,973
Speaker 7: boland And so you know you're going to ask what

587
00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:24,213
Speaker 7: are they doing differently to ours?

588
00:32:25,573 --> 00:32:28,253
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I guess the England squad are going to

589
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Speaker 2: be able to get time to recover and prepare for

590
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Speaker 2: New Zealand arriving in June. I assume you're you're still

591
00:32:35,173 --> 00:32:39,133
Speaker 2: with your tour groups in Australia. How are they enjoying

592
00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:43,133
Speaker 2: things through the issues bearing the mind the issues are

593
00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:44,053
Speaker 2: not going back with you?

594
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Speaker 7: Well, no, they're not there's there's quite a bit in

595
00:32:48,213 --> 00:32:50,213
Speaker 7: this Test match. People said it's a dead Test match,

596
00:32:50,213 --> 00:32:52,493
Speaker 7: but there's a lot of people on the Australian team

597
00:32:52,573 --> 00:32:56,653
Speaker 7: that are playing for matches for their places. There's a

598
00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:58,733
Speaker 7: lot of people retiring, there's a lot of people thinking

599
00:32:58,733 --> 00:33:03,213
Speaker 7: of retiring, and so you know there are some important

600
00:33:03,253 --> 00:33:07,613
Speaker 7: issues for individuals on both sides to prove they can play,

601
00:33:08,173 --> 00:33:11,653
Speaker 7: to prove that they're learning. I think Crawle is probably

602
00:33:11,733 --> 00:33:14,133
Speaker 7: one of those that's taking them sixty Test matches. He's

603
00:33:14,133 --> 00:33:16,453
Speaker 7: trying to back like an opening batsman now and it

604
00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:20,173
Speaker 7: was quite noticeable from the people I spoke to on

605
00:33:20,293 --> 00:33:23,453
Speaker 7: tours and not how they've noticed how differently he's played,

606
00:33:23,653 --> 00:33:27,013
Speaker 7: but it's taken them sixty Test matches almost. You know,

607
00:33:27,013 --> 00:33:31,853
Speaker 7: everybody's trying to be a little bit less flamboyant, I

608
00:33:31,853 --> 00:33:34,013
Speaker 7: think is the word you've got to say, apart from broxy.

609
00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:40,253
Speaker 7: But no, it is notice they have seemed to have

610
00:33:40,333 --> 00:33:42,893
Speaker 7: changed their ways a bit, but you have to over here,

611
00:33:44,093 --> 00:33:47,133
Speaker 7: the bounce and the pitch is different and far too

612
00:33:47,173 --> 00:33:49,973
Speaker 7: me people going hard at the ball. So as I say,

613
00:33:50,853 --> 00:33:52,813
Speaker 7: there's a lot on this Test match and if England

614
00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:55,573
Speaker 7: can win it, we've lost three too. We've lost the ashes,

615
00:33:57,293 --> 00:33:59,533
Speaker 7: but when you think the teams that are out there

616
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Speaker 7: in this final Test match, Australia and England have both

617
00:34:04,453 --> 00:34:05,933
Speaker 7: lost their top three bowlers.

618
00:34:07,293 --> 00:34:09,413
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Get to have you with uson

619
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Speaker 2: look forward to the chance of talking to you again sometime.

620
00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:17,693
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. Jerry mike Getting, of course as a very

621
00:34:17,773 --> 00:34:20,973
Speaker 2: deep thinker on the game and has some strong opinions

622
00:34:21,013 --> 00:34:24,093
Speaker 2: on many aspects. I was interested he seemed to deflect

623
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Speaker 2: a little bit on the Brendan McCullum role and should

624
00:34:28,373 --> 00:34:33,973
Speaker 2: he be replaced. He saw bigger issues away from the

625
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:36,453
Speaker 2: coaching one for the England side.

626
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

627
00:34:38,773 --> 00:34:40,933
Speaker 5: I don't think he really tried to dodge it.

628
00:34:41,013 --> 00:34:45,173
Speaker 4: I just felt he just moved away quite quickly from

629
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Speaker 4: your question.

630
00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:50,253
Speaker 5: But he makes some good points, doesn't he.

631
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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of frustration about what's occurred.

632
00:34:54,613 --> 00:34:57,613
Speaker 4: Highly anticipated series, but a lot of the English actually

633
00:34:57,693 --> 00:35:00,813
Speaker 4: believed they had a really good chance of reversing their

634
00:35:00,893 --> 00:35:05,293
Speaker 4: regular thrashings that they received down in Australia two two

635
00:35:05,413 --> 00:35:08,653
Speaker 4: day tests. You know, I think the feeling probably as

636
00:35:08,653 --> 00:35:11,573
Speaker 4: the money hasn't been worth it out that laid. The

637
00:35:11,733 --> 00:35:14,773
Speaker 4: enjoyment probably has been a bit diminished or at the

638
00:35:14,853 --> 00:35:17,973
Speaker 4: very least compressed. Not been enough of the to and

639
00:35:18,053 --> 00:35:21,573
Speaker 4: fro has there in the in the matches, the stories,

640
00:35:21,653 --> 00:35:25,413
Speaker 4: the narratives, especially Perth and Melbourne, Brisbane.

641
00:35:26,133 --> 00:35:27,733
Speaker 5: You know, England had their.

642
00:35:27,613 --> 00:35:31,053
Speaker 4: Life slowly squeezed out of them and then an adelaide

643
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:34,933
Speaker 4: I think more like a proper test almost but about

644
00:35:34,973 --> 00:35:37,813
Speaker 4: four point forty to get was just just too many,

645
00:35:37,933 --> 00:35:42,453
Speaker 4: wasn't it really? To chase down? So and it only

646
00:35:42,613 --> 00:35:46,573
Speaker 4: highlights the inadequate preparation which has been spoken about and

647
00:35:46,613 --> 00:35:51,933
Speaker 4: get mentioned as well a few hunches on selections and

648
00:35:52,013 --> 00:35:56,133
Speaker 4: so you know we've missed that undulating Test match where

649
00:35:56,173 --> 00:35:58,813
Speaker 4: one side appears to be on top and then the

650
00:35:58,933 --> 00:36:03,333
Speaker 4: other sort of recovers to a position of parity. So yeah,

651
00:36:03,373 --> 00:36:05,413
Speaker 4: it's been an interesting series.

652
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:09,053
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is, of course it's had a lot

653
00:36:09,053 --> 00:36:14,293
Speaker 2: of interest in terms of fan appeal television watching, but

654
00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:18,533
Speaker 2: we've also had the doom sayers, those you look at

655
00:36:18,573 --> 00:36:20,853
Speaker 2: and say, oh, that's the end of Test cricket after

656
00:36:20,853 --> 00:36:25,373
Speaker 2: the two day event in Melbourne. I mean that's a

657
00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:28,293
Speaker 2: bit over the top, isn't it. I mean, it won't

658
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:30,373
Speaker 2: be the death of Test cricket, of.

659
00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:33,533
Speaker 4: Cocause it's not it's not a renunciation or death of

660
00:36:33,573 --> 00:36:38,413
Speaker 4: Test cricket at all. In the fullness of time, tests, Yes,

661
00:36:38,893 --> 00:36:41,853
Speaker 4: they're becoming a little bit shorter. I think everyone would

662
00:36:41,893 --> 00:36:45,173
Speaker 4: acknowledge that, whether it's three and three quarter days or

663
00:36:45,173 --> 00:36:48,533
Speaker 4: three and a half or four days in length, that's

664
00:36:48,613 --> 00:36:51,133
Speaker 4: just the changing nature of the game. I'm afraid things

665
00:36:51,133 --> 00:36:55,973
Speaker 4: have happened more quickly. I mean I commentated on a

666
00:36:56,013 --> 00:36:59,173
Speaker 4: three or four Test last season between England and India

667
00:36:59,573 --> 00:37:02,533
Speaker 4: and every Test went to five days. Now one of

668
00:37:02,573 --> 00:37:05,613
Speaker 4: them was a draw. They couldn't even find a result

669
00:37:05,613 --> 00:37:09,173
Speaker 4: in five days. So it's just really sing and pointing

670
00:37:09,173 --> 00:37:12,893
Speaker 4: out that this particular series is a slightly diluted and

671
00:37:12,973 --> 00:37:17,173
Speaker 4: cheaper version. I mean, many many players and teams have

672
00:37:17,253 --> 00:37:21,373
Speaker 4: had to confront testing conditions before, haven't they, And you know,

673
00:37:21,493 --> 00:37:23,013
Speaker 4: and they've had a few failures.

674
00:37:23,773 --> 00:37:25,613
Speaker 5: But even here, I mean we've seen.

675
00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:31,653
Speaker 4: What Route has had two hundreds now in Australia, Travis

676
00:37:31,653 --> 00:37:35,453
Speaker 4: Head has had what three hundreds in the series. You've

677
00:37:35,453 --> 00:37:40,093
Speaker 4: had five wickets to Bowland and tongue and you know,

678
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:42,413
Speaker 4: I think, I mean they still count, don't they.

679
00:37:42,933 --> 00:37:45,813
Speaker 5: I Mean what was really.

680
00:37:45,493 --> 00:37:49,573
Speaker 4: Needed, of course, was a two all score line at

681
00:37:49,573 --> 00:37:52,733
Speaker 4: the start of the Sydney Test. That's what that's what

682
00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:57,493
Speaker 4: really it missed the whole thing, wasn't it. And you know,

683
00:37:57,733 --> 00:38:03,933
Speaker 4: I think since the World Test the WTC has started,

684
00:38:05,813 --> 00:38:08,973
Speaker 4: there have been an increasing frequency of two day tests,

685
00:38:09,013 --> 00:38:13,893
Speaker 4: and that's that's a mild concern. I think, why do

686
00:38:13,933 --> 00:38:14,973
Speaker 4: you reckon that's happening?

687
00:38:15,013 --> 00:38:19,453
Speaker 2: Words, Well, I think it gets back to the style

688
00:38:19,453 --> 00:38:21,533
Speaker 2: of play for a start offf you know, there's been

689
00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:23,853
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about pitches and we're going to

690
00:38:23,893 --> 00:38:27,973
Speaker 2: get into that and in next week's edition looking at

691
00:38:28,253 --> 00:38:33,253
Speaker 2: pitchers and development. But you know, the mcg came in

692
00:38:33,293 --> 00:38:35,293
Speaker 2: for the wet tram ticket, didn't it. Jeff Crowe gave

693
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:41,653
Speaker 2: him an unsatisfactory result pitch, But what about the responsibility

694
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:45,253
Speaker 2: of the players to bat properly on those pitchers? Don't

695
00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:47,853
Speaker 2: You don't charge one of the best bowlers in the

696
00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:50,893
Speaker 2: world the first ball you face, do you, as Harry

697
00:38:50,893 --> 00:38:54,013
Speaker 2: Brook has done. We look at this guy Bethel who's

698
00:38:54,053 --> 00:38:57,373
Speaker 2: seen as the great savior for England, Well I'm still

699
00:38:57,533 --> 00:38:59,653
Speaker 2: to be convinced about him. If I wanted somebody to

700
00:38:59,653 --> 00:39:02,253
Speaker 2: bet for my life, it'll be Joe Root and Travis

701
00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:04,813
Speaker 2: Head at the moment. It certainly wouldn't be Harry Brook

702
00:39:05,053 --> 00:39:08,653
Speaker 2: or Jacob Bethel or some of these other players. I mean,

703
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,893
Speaker 2: players have got to take responsibility for the game as well.

704
00:39:12,213 --> 00:39:15,933
Speaker 2: You know, it's cost Australian cricket. What do they reckon

705
00:39:16,013 --> 00:39:19,973
Speaker 2: somewhere between twenty and thirty million in terms of income,

706
00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:24,453
Speaker 2: refund of tickets, food having to be sent out to

707
00:39:25,453 --> 00:39:27,653
Speaker 2: various places and well done on them, you know, to

708
00:39:27,653 --> 00:39:31,013
Speaker 2: take them to night shelters and the needy et cetera,

709
00:39:31,053 --> 00:39:34,213
Speaker 2: et cetera. But hell, there's a lot of cost involved

710
00:39:34,613 --> 00:39:38,133
Speaker 2: in those short tests and it's the players responsibility, isn't it.

711
00:39:39,413 --> 00:39:41,773
Speaker 4: Well, well, that's certainly part of it, isn't it. I

712
00:39:41,773 --> 00:39:48,093
Speaker 4: think I would say that the pictures, certainly in Australia

713
00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:56,293
Speaker 4: in particular Perth Melbourne have you know, the bowlers are

714
00:39:56,293 --> 00:39:59,413
Speaker 4: getting more help than they really need from home surfaces

715
00:39:59,933 --> 00:40:02,413
Speaker 4: and that's the reason why, well they got to win

716
00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:06,853
Speaker 4: games at home for World Test Championship points. That's the

717
00:40:06,933 --> 00:40:10,133
Speaker 4: first thing I would say. And the second thing that

718
00:40:10,133 --> 00:40:15,973
Speaker 4: I'd say that is that today's batsmen their default response

719
00:40:16,173 --> 00:40:21,413
Speaker 4: to conditions where it gets tricky, they attack hard.

720
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Speaker 5: That's what they do.

721
00:40:24,773 --> 00:40:28,933
Speaker 4: If they get on a difficult pitch, they feel in

722
00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:32,053
Speaker 4: order to get runs they are going to have to

723
00:40:32,093 --> 00:40:36,813
Speaker 4: play hyper aggressively, lots of shop making because they're going

724
00:40:36,853 --> 00:40:38,933
Speaker 4: to get a ball that comes along pretty soon that

725
00:40:39,013 --> 00:40:39,973
Speaker 4: has their name on it.

726
00:40:40,653 --> 00:40:41,813
Speaker 5: And I'm not.

727
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Speaker 4: Convinced that if you can play forward well and if

728
00:40:48,973 --> 00:40:53,973
Speaker 4: you can let the ball go well, that you can't survive.

729
00:40:55,733 --> 00:40:59,973
Speaker 4: So do you need to play that hyper aggressive style?

730
00:41:00,653 --> 00:41:03,693
Speaker 4: And that's the issue to me, And that's come from

731
00:41:03,693 --> 00:41:07,013
Speaker 4: the prevalence of twenty twenty cricket nature of the game.

732
00:41:07,853 --> 00:41:10,573
Speaker 4: You know, players looking to attack and they get a

733
00:41:10,613 --> 00:41:14,693
Speaker 4: wider base, a lower base, a powerful base, or they charge.

734
00:41:15,133 --> 00:41:18,773
Speaker 4: You didn't see forward defense from people like Greg Chappel

735
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:25,253
Speaker 4: or Ian Redpass or Ruffle Dravid or Jacques Pallace. You

736
00:41:25,333 --> 00:41:30,813
Speaker 4: could not see the stumps and we don't see that

737
00:41:30,893 --> 00:41:37,053
Speaker 4: kind of stolid forward defense that was seen in those times.

738
00:41:37,653 --> 00:41:37,893
Speaker 5: Now.

739
00:41:38,293 --> 00:41:41,413
Speaker 4: You know, I'm speaking as an older player there, and

740
00:41:41,573 --> 00:41:44,653
Speaker 4: we we would try and do things differently than the

741
00:41:44,733 --> 00:41:49,533
Speaker 4: current players. We would try and you know, block our

742
00:41:49,613 --> 00:41:52,813
Speaker 4: way out of it and try and see our way

743
00:41:52,853 --> 00:41:56,693
Speaker 4: through the difficult periods. And we didn't score as fast,

744
00:41:57,053 --> 00:41:59,133
Speaker 4: so we may not have scored more runs than the

745
00:41:59,133 --> 00:42:02,373
Speaker 4: current lot are, but we would get the game through

746
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:05,693
Speaker 4: to three and a half to four days because of

747
00:42:05,733 --> 00:42:09,933
Speaker 4: the way we played, So we used the time because

748
00:42:10,053 --> 00:42:13,053
Speaker 4: time was available. That's not part of the way they

749
00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:14,573
Speaker 4: look at it now. It seems to me.

750
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Speaker 2: No, they're talking about the entertainment factor and expressing themselves

751
00:42:18,893 --> 00:42:20,653
Speaker 2: and playing the game the way they want to play.

752
00:42:20,813 --> 00:42:23,413
Speaker 2: But the entertainment factor can also be seen in other

753
00:42:23,493 --> 00:42:26,093
Speaker 2: forms as well. And you're right about the fight for

754
00:42:26,173 --> 00:42:30,213
Speaker 2: survival and they're pushing the game through to the end

755
00:42:30,293 --> 00:42:33,333
Speaker 2: of a test match. I mean I remember, yeah, you

756
00:42:33,373 --> 00:42:35,933
Speaker 2: remember it too, that that test match in Wellington where

757
00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:39,573
Speaker 2: we beat England. You know, last ball, last day, last

758
00:42:39,653 --> 00:42:44,373
Speaker 2: over and one run between the two sides. Basically, I

759
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:46,813
Speaker 2: mean that was Test cricket the way you want to

760
00:42:46,853 --> 00:42:47,533
Speaker 2: see it, wasn't it.

761
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Speaker 4: Well you couldn't get it any closer than that, could you.

762
00:42:52,413 --> 00:42:56,213
Speaker 5: No, you're right. Entertainment, Oh yes, of course there is

763
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:58,373
Speaker 5: that key. And it does draw you in.

764
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Speaker 4: It's like a good game of chess, isn't it played

765
00:43:00,533 --> 00:43:03,413
Speaker 4: on a green field? But you know, you keep it

766
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,093
Speaker 4: draws you into the game and it holds you there

767
00:43:06,573 --> 00:43:08,853
Speaker 4: and because it is closed. That's what I'm talking about

768
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:13,133
Speaker 4: when I say the undulating nature of the game sucks

769
00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:17,853
Speaker 4: you in to it as well, and so you're engaged

770
00:43:18,453 --> 00:43:21,613
Speaker 4: as I mean, obviously you're generally want one side to

771
00:43:21,693 --> 00:43:24,533
Speaker 4: win over the other and you want them to try

772
00:43:24,533 --> 00:43:27,093
Speaker 4: and win, but you're engaged in the contest.

773
00:43:27,453 --> 00:43:29,813
Speaker 5: And that's what Test cricket can do.

774
00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:35,773
Speaker 4: I mean not every time, but you know that's what

775
00:43:35,813 --> 00:43:39,773
Speaker 4: it can and so yeah, you don't that's the value

776
00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:42,333
Speaker 4: of time, isn't that we don't give that to the

777
00:43:42,413 --> 00:43:45,453
Speaker 4: shorter formats And it's the whole point of it, and

778
00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:52,533
Speaker 4: the players now have difficulty with using time in the

779
00:43:52,573 --> 00:43:53,613
Speaker 4: best way possible.

780
00:43:53,773 --> 00:43:58,173
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to chance to review the four ashes

781
00:43:58,293 --> 00:44:01,173
Speaker 2: after that Test match and anything that occurs in the

782
00:44:01,213 --> 00:44:04,413
Speaker 2: remaining stages. I want to talk pictures next week. I think, well,

783
00:44:04,773 --> 00:44:09,973
Speaker 2: we'll get a groundsman, a curator or somebody who deals

784
00:44:09,973 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 2: with pitchers and have a bit of a chat about purchase,

785
00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:16,413
Speaker 2: because I know it's something close to your heart, Jeremy.

786
00:44:16,453 --> 00:44:23,493
Speaker 2: I've seen you do some elongated pitch analysis and we

787
00:44:23,613 --> 00:44:26,093
Speaker 2: might just expose you a little bit on that. Perhaps

788
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:27,053
Speaker 2: you think we should.

789
00:44:27,973 --> 00:44:32,613
Speaker 5: I could be exposed very quickly. I would say, they

790
00:44:32,653 --> 00:44:33,053
Speaker 5: give us.

791
00:44:33,253 --> 00:44:36,773
Speaker 4: They give us two minutes nowadays, because people apparently can't

792
00:44:37,093 --> 00:44:41,573
Speaker 4: listen or think, particularly to me for longer than two minutes.

793
00:44:42,053 --> 00:44:46,093
Speaker 4: So and they bring someone else, Old Garth Galloway comes in,

794
00:44:46,093 --> 00:44:48,933
Speaker 4: and Old Garth who's sometimes on our pod, he comes

795
00:44:48,933 --> 00:44:51,293
Speaker 4: in and chats as well. But there's no point in

796
00:44:51,373 --> 00:44:53,533
Speaker 4: looking at it too much nowadays, if we've only got

797
00:44:53,533 --> 00:44:56,373
Speaker 4: two minutes. Frankly, it plays such a part in the game,

798
00:44:56,413 --> 00:44:57,933
Speaker 4: doesn't It's a huge part in the game.

799
00:44:58,413 --> 00:45:00,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll give you more than two minutes next

800
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:02,293
Speaker 2: week to talk about it. We'll get a we'll get

801
00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:04,813
Speaker 2: an expert as well, just to give you a bit

802
00:45:04,853 --> 00:45:05,533
Speaker 2: of information.

803
00:45:05,853 --> 00:45:08,493
Speaker 5: That's good, just to keep us on the straight in

804
00:45:08,653 --> 00:45:10,293
Speaker 5: arrow once. Yeah, exactly.

805
00:45:10,853 --> 00:45:13,493
Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks very much, Jerry. Good to talk to you again.

806
00:45:13,973 --> 00:45:18,253
Speaker 2: And you better brush up on your greenery stuff for

807
00:45:18,373 --> 00:45:18,853
Speaker 2: next week.

808
00:45:19,693 --> 00:45:22,973
Speaker 4: On the greenery, Yes, I will. Yeah, I see what

809
00:45:23,013 --> 00:45:26,613
Speaker 4: you meant. I thought you'd eat more vegetables, but I know.

810
00:45:26,693 --> 00:45:28,013
Speaker 5: That's no I know what you mean.

811
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:32,413
Speaker 4: Now you mean the pitch. Okay, I'll do that. Good Bye, cheers,

812
00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:34,213
Speaker 4: take care the.

813
00:45:36,533 --> 00:45:36,973
Speaker 2: Summer.

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