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Speaker 1: So it's turning out to be a roller coaster old

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Speaker 1: season for the All Blacks fans. Dispatch having dispatched the French,

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Speaker 1: Argentina tripped us up at least once a que the Yanks,

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Speaker 1: but then we put it all right, didn't we? South

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Speaker 1: Africa epic a week ago? Fantastic and then until saiday night,

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Speaker 1: it all came undone record loss. So where are we at?

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Speaker 1: S John Corwin's with us?

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Speaker 2: John Morning, Well, must apologize Mike for the other day.

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Speaker 2: No excuse, may slept. I actually made myself did twenty

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Speaker 2: push ups, mate, So I apologize with one arm.

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Speaker 1: I hope is there is a loss? A loss? Or

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Speaker 1: was there something odd about that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Very odd? To be fair, Mikelake. Normally at the

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Speaker 2: end of an All Black loss, you'll come out and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: maybe it was high ball. You know, we've got one

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Speaker 2: thing to work on. It was a critical moment. But

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Speaker 2: I think the second half on the weekend was, you know,

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Speaker 2: our line out dysfunctioned at times, we got put under

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Speaker 2: pressure at the scrum our high ball wasn't great, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure the leaders will be looking themselves

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Speaker 2: and said, well, how do we sort of can continue

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Speaker 2: to concede points. There seem to be some nervousness in

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Speaker 2: the field, So normally we go away saying, oh, can

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Speaker 2: we can fix that up? We'd be right. But I

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Speaker 2: think this one is a little bit more serious for

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Speaker 2: the team to look at. They'll be reeling everyone's really,

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Speaker 2: I think, because there's such a surprise.

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Speaker 1: The schizophrenic nature of it though, how can you do

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Speaker 1: what they did a week ago and then a week

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Speaker 1: later it's completely different.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a leadership. I think it's an

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Speaker 2: understanding of what we're trying to achieve and what happens

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Speaker 2: in crisis. So you know normally what would happen as

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Speaker 2: you'd turn to a kicking game, and I think or

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Speaker 2: have a plan about what you're going to do. We

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Speaker 2: know the DNA of South Africa when they get under pressure,

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Speaker 2: they're going to wait for penalty, kick you in the corner,

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Speaker 2: do it more. We know that. I think under pressure,

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Speaker 2: the biggest learning for the team will be, Okay, what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen when we start getting behind because normally

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Speaker 2: we do this to other sides. Normally, what happens when

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Speaker 2: we see a crack bomb? You know we'll put forty

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Speaker 2: points on people. But you know, thirty odd unanswered points

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Speaker 2: is you need to look at everything. You need to

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Speaker 2: have a really serious look at Okay, there's not one

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Speaker 2: thing that we need to work on. That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: So I think leadership kicking game under pressure. What are

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Speaker 2: we going to do when we're behind by ten points?

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Speaker 2: Which is a lot in a Test match?

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Speaker 1: But a good competition though, isn't it. Everyone's beaten everybody.

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Speaker 2: How good and there's no reason to panic. We don't

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Speaker 2: need to panic. The South African side is an amazing side.

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Speaker 2: They've been changing the team a lot. I thought they

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Speaker 2: got the balance right on the weekend. Australia continues to improve,

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Speaker 2: but it's still all to be won and that's what

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Speaker 2: we want. You know, we can't always think about rugby

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Speaker 2: and us dominating and that hasn't happened for a few years.

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Speaker 2: But it's a great competition and that's what we want.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's everything to play. We've still got another

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Speaker 2: game at Eton Park against the improving Australia side, so

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Speaker 2: she's all to play.

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Speaker 1: For good stuff. Nice to catch ups, John Cowan, whether's Mike,

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Speaker 1: don't forget South Africa? Conceee the thirty eight points without

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Speaker 1: reply against Australia just a few weeks ago. That's my point.

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Speaker 1: Look at the competition, it's fantastic.

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