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Speaker 1: Heather dup c l pay on some very good news.

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Speaker 1: The government has announced it will remove agriculture from the

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Speaker 1: Emissions Trading scheme. The scheme would have seen farmers pay

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Speaker 1: for their emissions by next year. Now removing it means

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Speaker 1: that agriculture will be the only major sector again exempt

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Speaker 1: from the ETS. Wayne Langford is the president of Federated Farmers.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Wayne, Hey, good to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is a relief, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It is really? I mean, there's still significant work to do,

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Speaker 2: but it's good to have this weight off their shoulders. Aspicial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the significant work that you have to do.

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Speaker 2: We've got to continue to reduce our missions to help

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Speaker 2: to help reach the government's targets, right, and we've said

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Speaker 2: that we're going to do that and we are working

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Speaker 2: on that. However, we didn't need this threat of being

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Speaker 2: priced to a point, and that's driving many farmers broke.

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Speaker 2: That was never going to make any sense.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to do any work because there's another

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Speaker 1: industry group that's now been set up to replace Harwalker Echino,

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Speaker 1: Are you guys going to do work towards finding a

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Speaker 1: way to price your emissions?

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Speaker 2: Now? I don't see it, say that is the case.

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Speaker 2: I see it as a group that's working on reducing

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Speaker 2: our missions, and hopefully we can do that without pricing.

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Speaker 2: That's certainly what I'm leaving towards, and I certainly won't

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Speaker 2: be putting a price on our missions while I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: president of FED at Farmers, and I hope no one

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Speaker 2: else will be either.

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Speaker 1: So were you of the view that we should not

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Speaker 1: price agricultural emissions?

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Speaker 2: That is my view at the stage, because I think

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Speaker 2: we can come up with solutions without having to price it,

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Speaker 2: and if we can, that'll be better better for everyone.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if we can let the markets determine

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Speaker 2: what you know, what farmers can and can't do, then

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Speaker 2: then I think that's a good way forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank god for some common sense here. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: what about the threat then that you're going to have

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Speaker 1: some I mean, I'm thinking particularly of dairy, right, that

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Speaker 1: you're going to have the likes of I don't know, Nile,

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Speaker 1: stop taking stop taking our products because our emissions they

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Speaker 1: consider to be too high.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a classic example, right, farming actually

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Speaker 2: moved faster than the likes of what her what recon

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Speaker 2: I was talking about. I mean We've got Nestleigh asking

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Speaker 2: us to reduce our missions, and Fonterra have responded by saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're going to do that with these twenty thirty targets.

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Speaker 2: So that's farmers taking responsibility for themselves without having to

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Speaker 2: have a price hanging over their heads and ultimately leading

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Speaker 2: the market decide.

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Speaker 1: How does the government feel about you guys never paying

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Speaker 1: for your emissions?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I hope that they're feeling all right because

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Speaker 2: they know how much we contribute to the to the country.

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Speaker 2: And then I also on top of that, they know

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Speaker 2: how much we contribute to vival emissions. We actually bring

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Speaker 2: warm the down in this country by producing the milk

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Speaker 2: in the way that we do, and they know that

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Speaker 2: if they if they cap production here, it's going to

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Speaker 2: go off season, it's going to produce emissions that are

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Speaker 2: higher rate. That just makes no sense at all.

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Speaker 1: Am I right in thinking there is no other country

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Speaker 1: in the world that charges farmers for their emissions.

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Speaker 2: That's my understanding as well.

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Speaker 1: So it would have been a completely crazy thing that

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Speaker 1: only we.

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Speaker 2: Were doing well exactly when we are so efficient. That

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Speaker 2: was the frustrating thing about it. So, yes, we acknowledge

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Speaker 2: that you know they're there will be tools that will

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Speaker 2: come along, and other countries may may jump on these

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Speaker 2: and we may not be as the most efficient leading

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Speaker 2: into the future. But that's why we're going to keep

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Speaker 2: working on it. Right, We've got this competitive edge at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Let's keep working and spending the money on

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Speaker 2: that rather than than you know, some big text that

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Speaker 2: goes who knows where and producers who knows what?

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Speaker 1: Wayne? You know, the thing about it is, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can have some common sense in the current government,

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Speaker 1: but the last lot will pretty cookie, and there's always

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Speaker 1: the chance that the next red team that comes in

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Speaker 1: as kookie as well. Are you guys worried that you

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Speaker 1: might get a slight reprieve but this thing is just

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Speaker 1: going to come at you anyway.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's that's why I think when we say

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Speaker 2: we're going to keep working on it, it is because

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Speaker 2: we are. I mean, you're right, it's common sense that

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Speaker 2: there will be reviews of this as government's changed. But

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Speaker 2: you know, we also acknowledge that that we are doing

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Speaker 2: a fear bit of hard work here. We are in

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Speaker 2: front of the in front of the game, we feel,

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Speaker 2: and that's where we want to be when the next

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Speaker 2: government does come in, whether it be three six nine's views,

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Speaker 2: whenever that is, we'll be ready for it.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard from many farmers about how they feel

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Speaker 1: about this.

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly a fear bit of relief. I think that's

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Speaker 2: what I'm hearing early on. I'm just heading the field

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Speaker 2: days now, I'll be catching up with literally thousands of them,

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Speaker 2: I think. So it's going to be really interesting to

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Speaker 2: see what the mood is there and how farmers taken

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Speaker 2: it on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you, what do you

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Speaker 1: think the mood's going to be like, because it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty tough time to be a farmer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely a tough tough time. The Red Meates sect

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Speaker 2: here in particular doing it really tough. But the area

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Speaker 2: has been being going all right, but you know, there's

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Speaker 2: still not a lot of money around them, particularly not

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Speaker 2: going through the winter. So field days are going to

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Speaker 2: be a really interesting one, hopefully, Hopefully those that are

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Speaker 2: attending a buying something and the guys that are exhibiting

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Speaker 2: are getting something out of it as well.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Wayne, listen, enjoy yourself and thanks for your time.

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Speaker 1: Wayne Langford, Presidents of Federated Farmers.

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