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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talk zedb B.

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Speaker 2: This article written by Bonnie Jansen from the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Herald titled online Abuse Manique Barry James What revealed threatening

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Speaker 2: messages received by tennis players and Killey tennis player Manique

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Speaker 2: Barry and James Watt detailed the kind of messages that

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Speaker 2: they get after losing matches on the International Tennis Circuit.

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Speaker 2: Now Barry is ranked four hundred and eighty in the world.

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Speaker 2: The messages that have come from people that have gambled

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Speaker 2: on their singles matches from anywhere around the globe, death threats,

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Speaker 2: messages like I'm going to kill you. I hope you

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Speaker 2: kill yourself. You suck. I will find you, and that's

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Speaker 2: just the start of it. Manique Barry joins us here

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Speaker 2: on news Talk ZBB. Monique, thanks for your time with

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Speaker 2: us this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: No worries. Thank you for having me. Well.

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Speaker 2: I read the piece and here Alds written by Bonnie

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Speaker 2: Jensen that you contributed to and spoke to about it,

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Speaker 2: and well, to be honest, I was horrified by some

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Speaker 2: of the messages that you get as a tennis player

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Speaker 2: out on circuit from any number of individual people. When

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Speaker 2: did the start happening? And have you been surprised by

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Speaker 2: the amount of messages that you've been getting?

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Speaker 3: So it all starts when you place professional tournaments, So

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Speaker 3: I think it would have started when I was about

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Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen, even just local tournaments that are like live streamed,

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Speaker 3: which I didn't realize were able to be bad on.

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Speaker 3: But I soon realized that quite quickly. And I mean

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Speaker 3: at the start, you're very surprised when you're getting all

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Speaker 3: these messages and hate messages and how people are finding you.

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Speaker 3: And then once you kind of learn learn about it,

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Speaker 3: it's normal.

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Speaker 2: Now, how do you brush it off as normal when

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Speaker 2: I've seen some of the messages and they're fairly explicit

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Speaker 2: and abusive. How do you how do you brush it

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Speaker 2: off so easily like you've just done.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just when you know that everyone else

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Speaker 3: is getting the same thing, you know it's it's not

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Speaker 3: just yourself, And you also know that you know people

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Speaker 3: people have obviously lost a lot of money, and you

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Speaker 3: know they're not really thinking about how us players are

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Speaker 3: actually humans sometimes, so I think sometimes you just can't

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Speaker 3: you can't retaliate and do anything but feel sorry for

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Speaker 3: them in a way.

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Speaker 2: The messages that you listed in the article are you know,

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Speaker 2: quite harrowing to sort of receive what what are the

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Speaker 2: worst stuff without wanting to sort of go back and

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Speaker 2: tread through it again. But what are the kind of

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Speaker 2: stuff that you do get from these unnamed trolls?

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Speaker 3: Any thing? Really? I mean, you get threats, you get

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Speaker 3: you know, anything personal about yourself. Sometimes they can get

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Speaker 3: your family involved. Others are you know, abusing you about

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Speaker 3: your life and just talking about the whole match. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: it just goes on and on.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, do you report these messages to Instagram or Facebook

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Speaker 2: or whatever platform they're coming through.

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Speaker 3: If it starts to get a bit too personal where

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Speaker 3: they start to say, like you know, I know where

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Speaker 3: you live or about your family, that's when you actually

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Speaker 3: report it to the ITF and they start to investigate it.

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Speaker 3: But if it's just you know, because sometimes you just

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Speaker 3: get too many, you just either block and report them

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Speaker 3: on the socials or you just simply ignore it and

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Speaker 3: delete the messages because sometimes there's just too many.

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Speaker 2: Does it surprise you that people are gambling on I

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Speaker 2: guess your matches on the other side the world or

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Speaker 2: that are live streamed and maybe not available to a

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it is quite surprising, to be honest, because

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Speaker 3: sometimes you're in the middle of nowhere and you still

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Speaker 3: have people betting on you, and you're kind of wondering

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Speaker 3: how they even know about it. But I mean it's

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Speaker 3: I guess it's just their choice on what they choose

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Speaker 2: I guess it's pretty widespread. For yourself obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: playing it year for Vince, and then you know, as

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Speaker 2: you go up the chain, players you know all around

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Speaker 2: the world with they're range one and you're ranked in

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Speaker 2: the four hundred, you know, people across the spectrum of

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Speaker 2: tennis must be getting, you know, abuse every day. Do

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Speaker 2: you talk about that as you know of players out

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Speaker 2: on the tours.

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Speaker 3: I've actually seen Caroline Garcia, she used to be a

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Speaker 3: and all the comments that she got and she's trying

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Speaker 3: to spread awareness. And I know another girl, Priscilla hon

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Speaker 3: she's big in Australia, top top one fifty and she's

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Speaker 3: doing the same as well. And sometimes even play players

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Speaker 3: that are maybe one thousand have also. We've also reposted

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Speaker 3: it because I don't think it's gotten enough recognition, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's starting to be a conversation starter or

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Speaker 3: you know, we're all helping each other out as players,

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Speaker 3: just you know, not letting it get to us as much.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just gonna say, have the it, you've

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Speaker 2: been good or you know, dealt with it in a

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Speaker 2: way that you're happy with. In terms of this abuse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I personally haven't reported to the its, so

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much they've gone and investigated most

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Speaker 3: of the most of the other spans or trolls that

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Speaker 3: they've had, but I'm hoping that they have at least

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Speaker 3: tried to think of something that we can start doing.

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Speaker 3: I've noticed with Instagram they've actually managed to hit like

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Speaker 3: hide those those types of requests that come through messages,

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Speaker 3: so I haven't actually been able to see them like

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Speaker 3: through my dms, but they'll still come through on my

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Speaker 3: posts like comments, but I haven't been able to see

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Speaker 3: them through requests as such anymore, which is good.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's I guess a combination, because say

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago, no one would have been able to

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Speaker 2: contact anyone like they came with social media now and

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Speaker 2: now there's so much more beating as well. That is

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Speaker 2: sort of a combined problem between beating and also the

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Speaker 2: access to athletes through social media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like it's tough. I spoke to one

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Speaker 3: of the other players, and you know, you can't really

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Speaker 3: keep your account private because you also want to be

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Speaker 3: able to open up to sponsors and people to find

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Speaker 3: you in a good way. But then also the other

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Speaker 3: way is the better is and they can find you

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Speaker 3: through there and obviously send abuse and things like that.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's just going to be an ongoing matter.

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Speaker 3: But I'm hoping that players can just kind of, you know,

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Speaker 3: go on with their career and maybe the more that

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Speaker 3: we talk about it, the more maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 3: some chance that betters would stop stop the abusing players

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Speaker 3: or athletes.

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Speaker 2: Do you think more can be done?

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I just think there's so many betters

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Speaker 3: that I there's only so much we can do, and

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Speaker 3: you can't really stop them from messaging athletes. But I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't really have a solution for it, But

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Speaker 3: I think making people more aware of that maybe we

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Speaker 3: maybe someone can come up with an idea to do that.

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Speaker 2: Have other players spoken to you about it since that

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Speaker 2: article Win Win Life A couple.

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Speaker 3: Have a couple of New Zealand players, but they also

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Speaker 3: you know, they can relate to that as well, and

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Speaker 3: they're happy that I was able to speak about it,

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Speaker 3: and I'm hoping that people can read about it as

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Speaker 3: well and take the time to be more aware of

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Speaker 3: that and what we kind of go through.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Monika, wish you all the best for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five on the court, and thanks for being so

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Speaker 2: open about this topic offered as well. Appreciate your time,

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Speaker 2: no worries, Thank you. That was Manick Barry joining us

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Speaker 2: on News talk Z being New Zealand tennis player talking

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Speaker 2: about some of the social media abuse that she's copped

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Speaker 2: and this article in the Herald that first put this

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Speaker 2: to light, and there's screenshots of it. There's screeds of

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Speaker 2: the stuff for people who have lost money on second

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Speaker 2: tier level tennis tournaments. That's the crazy thing. We're not

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Speaker 2: talking world number ones, not that it will excuse it,

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Speaker 2: but we're not talking about the Grand Slams and top ten,

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Speaker 2: top five players coppying this. This is a player in

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Speaker 2: the four hundreds in the world playing it of tournaments

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Speaker 2: that you can bet on is it just too much?

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