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Speaker 1: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: He can rot in prison. I'm not concerned about him.

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Speaker 2: This is the guy who's apparently been beaten by the

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Speaker 2: guards in prison. We'll talk about that after five o'clock

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Speaker 2: right now, Barry Soap, not you, Barry the look on

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Speaker 2: your face. You can rot in prison. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Jean Whickcliffe, that's a name so well known to Wellingtonians.

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Speaker 1: It was just such a shocking crime at the time,

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. I think it was he shot a jeweler. Terrible.

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Speaker 2: He was working ye people have been texting he was

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Speaker 2: working in his dad's jewelry shop and was just awful. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: awful stuff. All right. The ACT Party is going to

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Speaker 2: stand in local body elections. Does this Is this a

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Speaker 2: big deal? Well?

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, isn't it, because you know, some may read

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Speaker 1: it as being a big deal for ACT. They're putting

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Speaker 1: their name on candidate's ballot sheet going into the local

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Speaker 1: body elections. We know how popular local body elections are,

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Speaker 1: and I guess what they're trying to do is to

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Speaker 1: increase the popularity because ACT sees itself as a fairly

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Speaker 1: formidable part of the political pro says, But I don't

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Speaker 1: know about mainstream political parties putting themselves on local on

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Speaker 1: local ballots. Labour's done it for a long time, the

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Speaker 1: Greens do it. You only have to look at the

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Speaker 1: council in Wellington to see how dominant they are there.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's a good or idea or not. Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess only we'll be able to tell when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the election itself, and in fact before the election

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Speaker 1: if anybody comes forward to put their name up under

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Speaker 1: the ACT ticket. But the acting Prime Minister for what

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Speaker 1: that's what certainly David Seymour is at the moment because

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Speaker 1: the big boys are out of town. He's joked that

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Speaker 1: they could even embrace the likes of Jesus if he

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Speaker 1: came back and was willing to stand.

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Speaker 3: I believe that Jesus very well might support ACTS from

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Speaker 3: what I know about him. He believed that Jesus believed

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Speaker 3: that each person had inherent dignity, was made in the

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Speaker 3: image of God and Margo Day, and deserved to be

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Speaker 3: treated with universal human rights. In many respects, the underlying

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Speaker 3: teachers of Jesus and the ACT Party overlap. But I

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Speaker 3: just want to be clear. The party is not promising

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Speaker 3: to listen to Guy Fox, Jesus or any historical figure

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Speaker 3: to stand for mayor counsel or any other position.

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Speaker 1: I think that's horn on the background. Was an ambulance

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Speaker 1: coming to take him away. You know, really, I don't

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Speaker 1: know whether it's wise him to go down that track.

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Speaker 1: The Beatles did it at one stage. I think it

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Speaker 1: was John Lennon. They were bigger than Jesus.

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Speaker 2: I'm got to be very care have to be careful

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Speaker 2: and and some And I've got a lot of respect

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Speaker 2: for David Seymour. Yeah, he's a very smart guy, and

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Speaker 2: he's a very smart politician. But then sometimes you just

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Speaker 2: you kind of cringe a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The French loved the cock did he love that line?

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Speaker 1: He thought he was so right anyway.

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Speaker 2: Right, somebody who can do no wrong, it seems over

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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I did have a bit of a

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Speaker 1: look at Luxon and India. You know, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion now what they've done, got the old

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Speaker 1: negotiations underway. But Winston Peters he's building up to the

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Speaker 1: big one. He's earlier today, well overnight really he met

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Speaker 1: with the Director of the Office of Foreign Assistant Peter Morocco.

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Speaker 1: This is the guy hardcore mega guy, very much part

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Speaker 1: of the drive to pull the USAD apart, which will

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Speaker 1: would would have been an interesting meeting. He said that

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Speaker 1: the USAID review would be completed in April and wed

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Speaker 1: no by then the sort of contribution the Americans would

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Speaker 1: be making to the Pacific. He was in the White

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Speaker 1: House today as well. He met with the National Security Advisor,

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Speaker 1: Michael Waltz, and that was the Indo Pacific was a discussion,

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Speaker 1: and I think there would have been the main one.

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Speaker 1: And then again he was back at Rosemary Banks's place,

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Speaker 1: our ambassador to Washington for dinner just a few hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Now they were hosting, which to me was quite interesting.

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Speaker 1: Two very hardline Trump administration figures, and I think this

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Speaker 1: is quite shrewd in a way. One of them was

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Speaker 1: Sebastian Gorker, who's a British born of Hungarian heritage. He's

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Speaker 1: the Deputy Assistant to the President, so pretty high up

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Speaker 1: in the senior Director of counter Terrorism. And the person,

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Speaker 1: the woman that was there, she goes with the name

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Speaker 1: of Morgan or Tigers. She says that as the Deputy

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Speaker 1: Special Envoy for the Middle East under Steve Whitcliffe. Now

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Speaker 1: the are two fairly important figures in the administration, and

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Speaker 1: I think Winston's playing the big game here to ingratiate

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Speaker 1: himself with the administration before that meeting which will be

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Speaker 1: early tomorrow morning, our time with the Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing hotline bling is to use one of

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Speaker 2: Drake's infamous songs. You get on the hotline and get

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Speaker 2: the bling. That's basically what diplomacy is about with Trump's people,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely And Winston knows how to play that game better

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Speaker 1: than most, unless you're a journalist and get on the

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Speaker 1: wrong side of them, and then you've got a problem.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time this afternoon. It's always great insight.

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