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Speaker 1: God together due to Celis, there's some tension in the

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Speaker 1: coalition over ongoing race based policies. It turns out that

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Speaker 1: ACC is still using ethnic targeting. This is despite the

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Speaker 1: government minister's telling the public servants to stop it. ACC

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Speaker 1: wants to reduce about five five hundred injury claims in

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Speaker 1: the manufacturing sector, but they're specifying that eighteen percent of

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Speaker 1: those must be from Maori workers and eleven percent of

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Speaker 1: those must be from pacifica workers. Laura McClure is acts

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Speaker 1: ACC spokesperson. Hey Laura, are you there, Laura, I am here. Hello, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I can thank.

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Speaker 2: You an grace.

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't the stopped?

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Speaker 2: Look, we are not too sure and in the Minister's defense,

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Speaker 2: there is a separation between obviously the ministry and the minister,

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Speaker 2: so it has come from ACC itself. However, now we've

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Speaker 2: been alluded to it, we would expect the minister in

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Speaker 2: the Minister's office to actually have a little review of

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Speaker 2: this and check that it does actually align with the

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Speaker 2: cabinets clear and clear directive around services to be provided

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Speaker 2: on need not race.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've written to Scottsson, the relevant minister here. Has

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Speaker 1: there been any indication that Scott Simpson actually wants to

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Speaker 1: kill this off.

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Speaker 2: Look, not so far. I mean I probably wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: on air with you this afternoon if we had heard back.

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Speaker 2: But so far, not at all. But yet, Look, we're hopeful.

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Speaker 2: I think that there is. The coalition's good. We've got

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Speaker 2: a good work in relationship with Scott, so hopeful that he'll.

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Speaker 1: Have you read the newsroom article on this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I have.

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Speaker 1: Has it just popped up, No, it's been up all

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Speaker 1: day basically, Laura. But it seems to me that Scott

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Speaker 1: Simpson's pretty stoked with this and is going to carry

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Speaker 1: on with it.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I mean if that is what Scott has quoted,

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Speaker 2: then that is on him. But look, I think the

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Speaker 2: Cabinet Director was very clear around making sure that we

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Speaker 2: have services that are based on need and not race,

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Speaker 2: and this policy here, as far as we're concerned, we've

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Speaker 2: not received any good evidence to show that actually this

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Speaker 2: is targeted and it's well targeted. So I think that

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Speaker 2: it does go. You know, it's completely against the Cabinet

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Speaker 2: directive and I think that we need to be really

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Speaker 2: serious about this government's intentions.

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Speaker 1: Scott Simpson says the initiative is in fact need based.

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Speaker 2: Well, that might be something that Scott does say, and

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Speaker 2: I'm yet to see an evidence, and look, I'm up

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Speaker 2: to be convinced otherwise, but so far we've not been provided,

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Speaker 2: or my offices have not been provided any evidence that

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Speaker 2: this is in fact actually evidence based. I mean, as

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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, I think it's great that we're

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Speaker 2: going to be targeting a seat are like manufacturing. I

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Speaker 2: think that is a good thing to do. But everybody

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Speaker 2: decerves to go to work and come home safe, And

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Speaker 2: it's completely lazy, and I actually think it is a

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Speaker 2: bit racist saying one group of people or a particular

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Speaker 2: group of people need some specific targeted training and what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen to the rest of everybody else? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually really uncare.

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Speaker 1: Laura, Thanks, mate, really appreciate it. Laura McClure, act party

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