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Speaker 2: with you until three talking sport, Rugby League Royalty. On

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Speaker 2: the show today, Jonathan Thurston after two on whether the

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Speaker 2: excellent start by the Warriors in twenty twenty five is

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Speaker 2: turning heads in Australia and weather. This might be the

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Speaker 2: long promised our year. The Warrior is an action this

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Speaker 2: evening actually against Jonathan Thurston's former side, the Cowboys, as

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Speaker 2: part of Magic Round. If they were to win tonight

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Speaker 2: the Warriors, they'd go six and two in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: which would make it the best ever eight game start

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Speaker 2: to an NRL season in Warriors history. Jonathan Thurston on

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Speaker 2: that after two today, putting here Rayvy on the show

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Speaker 2: as well, The Wallabies have appointed their new coach, but

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Speaker 2: he won't take over the job until next year. Les

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Speaker 2: Kiss is the new man. He'll see out his commitments

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Speaker 2: with the Reds, which will take him past the end

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Speaker 2: of next year's Super Rugby season. Joe Schmidt will remain

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Speaker 2: in charge until then. When les Kiss takes over, he'll

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Speaker 2: have fourteen months until the next Rugby World Cup, hosted

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Speaker 2: in Australia. Of course, will that be long enough? And

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Speaker 2: how has this appointment gone down? Across the Tasman former

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Speaker 2: Wallaby Drew Mitchell on this after one? The Blues meantime

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Speaker 3: Track and the Blues get the bonus point and they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well done to the Blues at Eden Park last night.

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Speaker 2: Huge game in the Capitol tonight, Hurricanes Chiefs sky Stadium,

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Speaker 2: five past seven, commentary on Goldsport and iHeartRadio. Hurricanes assistant

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Speaker 2: coach Corey Jane along ahead of that one. First up today, though,

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Speaker 2: the shambles that is the Indian Panthers basketball franchise suspended

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Speaker 2: and definitely from the New Zealand National Basketball League. This

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Speaker 2: week reports of players not being paid and having to

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Speaker 2: visit food banks in order to eat. What on earth

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Speaker 2: has gone on here and where does the responsibility lie?

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Speaker 2: Longtime coach Jeff Green is standing by to talk with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll get a legal viewpoint this hour as well on

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Speaker 2: the responsibilities of the national body and all of this,

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Speaker 2: Live sport this afternoon, speaking of basketball, Round one of

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Speaker 2: the NBA Playoffs continues Game six Rockets Warriors in San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: one o'clock tip off. The Warriors are three to ahead

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Speaker 2: and that best of seven series and super Ragby from Suva,

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Speaker 2: As mentioned, the National Basketball League have handed the Indian

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five basketball season, and investigation into serious

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Speaker 2: allegations is ongoing amid claims of lack of payment and

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Speaker 2: time basketball coach Jeff Green, who's seen a lot in

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Speaker 2: his life and this is just the latest chapter. Jeff,

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Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time to chat to us in

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Speaker 2: general terms. First of all, what have you made of

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Speaker 4: I suspect the long term plan because all their owners

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Speaker 4: Then there was a national camp held by the Indian

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Speaker 4: it was just to shambles. So yeah, you wouldn't expect

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Speaker 2: I think every sporting organization is keen to innovate, aren't they, Jeff?

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Speaker 2: You know, innovation is key if you want to develop

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Speaker 4: Lot of well sought out plan and like you know,

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Speaker 4: you've got to try them, but you would think that

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Speaker 4: So I think that's that's where it's wrong. And I

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's been a degree of accountability

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Speaker 4: Here, No, I don't think. I don't think anyone's been

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Speaker 4: but we can't say that about India. That's a long

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Speaker 2: Do you think you've this will cause any reputational damage

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so it was like, you know, one

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Speaker 8: You know, the the NBL isn't like the Australian VL's.

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Speaker 8: It's a very poor cousin to the Australian NBL. There's

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Speaker 8: not as much money, there's not as much sponsorship, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: So like you know, but it is a it is

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Speaker 4: Rejuvenate their careers. Some are are injured. I know a

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Speaker 9: However, if it can be shown that the league acted

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Speaker 9: twelve teams up.

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Speaker 11: To thirty six overseas players. That's a big number in

432
00:26:52,387 --> 00:26:54,867
Speaker 11: the scheme of things and domestic competitions in New Zealand.

433
00:26:55,947 --> 00:27:00,187
Speaker 11: I understand there's ten or so agents that work in

434
00:27:00,187 --> 00:27:05,787
Speaker 11: this space that send overseas players into our competitions.

435
00:27:06,467 --> 00:27:10,267
Speaker 9: Obviously, eleven of the franchises are really strong. It's a

436
00:27:10,387 --> 00:27:15,067
Speaker 9: it's a good competition, so I think depending on how

437
00:27:15,147 --> 00:27:18,147
Speaker 9: things play out from here. The fact that the NBA

438
00:27:18,267 --> 00:27:19,747
Speaker 9: has responded so swiftly.

439
00:27:20,667 --> 00:27:22,107
Speaker 5: There there is.

440
00:27:23,667 --> 00:27:27,627
Speaker 9: That that that reputation as a good competition I think

441
00:27:27,707 --> 00:27:31,987
Speaker 9: will be will be retained, and as long as things

442
00:27:32,187 --> 00:27:37,227
Speaker 9: are handled appropriately from here on in, I don't think

443
00:27:37,227 --> 00:27:39,547
Speaker 9: there'll be too much of a risk is obviously the

444
00:27:39,627 --> 00:27:45,267
Speaker 9: commercial the commercial risk domestically too, not just the overseas players,

445
00:27:45,267 --> 00:27:50,307
Speaker 9: but for the competition itself. But again, in my view

446
00:27:50,347 --> 00:27:52,587
Speaker 9: of the n BL continues to respond on the way

447
00:27:52,627 --> 00:27:58,587
Speaker 9: it is doing now and and responds appropriately, then they

448
00:27:58,587 --> 00:28:01,507
Speaker 9: can do all they can to enhance or to at

449
00:28:01,587 --> 00:28:02,747
Speaker 9: least retain their reputation.

450
00:28:03,347 --> 00:28:05,427
Speaker 2: The phrase that you used before is one we've heard

451
00:28:05,427 --> 00:28:09,947
Speaker 2: a lot, and that diligence. Whenever you invite somebody new

452
00:28:09,947 --> 00:28:14,307
Speaker 2: into your competition and you said they are reasonable due diligence,

453
00:28:14,347 --> 00:28:17,427
Speaker 2: what does reasonable due diligence look like?

454
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Speaker 9: Reasonable due diligence would be looking at, you know, the financials,

455
00:28:28,147 --> 00:28:30,347
Speaker 9: the ownership structures.

456
00:28:31,267 --> 00:28:33,827
Speaker 5: The ability to comply with the league.

457
00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:37,187
Speaker 9: Rules, the operational capabilities, those types of things.

458
00:28:37,867 --> 00:28:38,227
Speaker 12: Uh, And.

459
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Speaker 9: When an overseas team is coming into a domestic competition,

460
00:28:44,507 --> 00:28:48,027
Speaker 9: you'd expect the due diligence would be a lot more

461
00:28:48,067 --> 00:28:53,387
Speaker 9: comprehensive that it might otherwise be you know, and there

462
00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:57,747
Speaker 9: also might be you know, financial guarantees and things like

463
00:28:57,827 --> 00:29:02,427
Speaker 9: that that that that might be conditions placed on on

464
00:29:02,427 --> 00:29:07,227
Speaker 9: on those that are that are provided a license. So

465
00:29:07,827 --> 00:29:12,307
Speaker 9: it's not necessarily just checking all the paperwork and those

466
00:29:12,347 --> 00:29:14,867
Speaker 9: types of things. It's actually really understanding who's behind the

467
00:29:14,907 --> 00:29:17,787
Speaker 9: team and whether they can deliver what they need to

468
00:29:17,907 --> 00:29:21,987
Speaker 9: sustainably and in a way that will and will won't

469
00:29:21,987 --> 00:29:28,307
Speaker 9: compromise the reputation of the of the competition. So I

470
00:29:28,307 --> 00:29:30,587
Speaker 9: imagine the NBL here would have done a lot of

471
00:29:30,667 --> 00:29:34,747
Speaker 9: due diligence. This is quite an innovative moved from the

472
00:29:34,867 --> 00:29:39,507
Speaker 9: MBL to get exposure for their competition and for basketball

473
00:29:40,427 --> 00:29:44,947
Speaker 9: around the world, and so it was an exciting opportunity

474
00:29:44,987 --> 00:29:48,227
Speaker 9: for the sport. So I imagine it would have required

475
00:29:49,107 --> 00:29:51,467
Speaker 9: significant due diligence to ensure it worked.

476
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Speaker 2: Is it possible, And I guess it's probably a silly

477
00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:56,827
Speaker 2: question because it's happened in this case. Is it possible

478
00:29:56,827 --> 00:30:00,267
Speaker 2: that even if you do a substantial more than reasonable

479
00:30:00,267 --> 00:30:03,347
Speaker 2: amount of due diligence that things can still go wrong?

480
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Speaker 9: Good Christion, Absolutely, you can check everything in advance, you

481
00:30:13,227 --> 00:30:16,467
Speaker 9: and do as much as possible bank accounts, you know,

482
00:30:16,587 --> 00:30:19,187
Speaker 9: check business plans, do all the background checks.

483
00:30:22,147 --> 00:30:23,067
Speaker 5: But all it takes.

484
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Speaker 9: You see this not only in sport, but in the

485
00:30:26,987 --> 00:30:31,107
Speaker 9: commercial wild generally. I mean all it takes is disputes

486
00:30:31,147 --> 00:30:38,627
Speaker 9: between the owners of businesses, cashtrow problems, internal dysfunction, you know,

487
00:30:38,667 --> 00:30:42,307
Speaker 9: all those types of things can put a business at risk.

488
00:30:42,467 --> 00:30:46,227
Speaker 9: So doing as much due diligence upfront is really important.

489
00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:50,627
Speaker 9: But really due diligence is just trying to mitigate that risk.

490
00:30:50,667 --> 00:30:52,347
Speaker 9: You're never ever going to be able to eliminate it.

491
00:30:53,147 --> 00:30:55,707
Speaker 9: And that's always the problem. And that would have been

492
00:30:55,747 --> 00:31:01,507
Speaker 9: the risk that the NBL would have balanced and on

493
00:31:01,587 --> 00:31:04,667
Speaker 9: balance made the decision that this is the right thing

494
00:31:04,707 --> 00:31:07,387
Speaker 9: for the competition, and everyone assumed it would be.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, and there's absolutely no issue

496
00:31:10,987 --> 00:31:14,547
Speaker 2: with the innovation here. And I think, you know, he's

497
00:31:14,627 --> 00:31:17,227
Speaker 2: on basketball and the NBL should be applauded for innovation.

498
00:31:18,187 --> 00:31:20,307
Speaker 2: But you're right. They've they've quickly come in and said, hey,

499
00:31:20,307 --> 00:31:22,027
Speaker 2: we haven't got this one right, and here's the steps

500
00:31:22,067 --> 00:31:25,027
Speaker 2: we're taking. As far as the players are concerned, Henry,

501
00:31:25,587 --> 00:31:29,547
Speaker 2: they'll presumably have signed contracts with the Panthers. What recourse

502
00:31:29,587 --> 00:31:31,547
Speaker 2: do they have of those contracts aren't on it?

503
00:31:34,147 --> 00:31:35,187
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm not sure.

504
00:31:35,027 --> 00:31:40,947
Speaker 9: If they're they're employment agreements or contracts, I'd probably I'd assume,

505
00:31:41,307 --> 00:31:44,907
Speaker 9: I'd assume their contracts. But if they are employment agreements,

506
00:31:44,987 --> 00:31:49,867
Speaker 9: then like any other employee, that have the right the

507
00:31:50,387 --> 00:31:52,667
Speaker 9: employment rights that we would have.

508
00:31:52,547 --> 00:31:53,067
Speaker 6: Which is.

509
00:31:54,627 --> 00:31:58,747
Speaker 9: Being able to bring a personal agreements, those types of things,

510
00:31:59,187 --> 00:32:01,907
Speaker 9: the fact that their employer hasn't acted in good faith,

511
00:32:02,107 --> 00:32:02,987
Speaker 9: they'll be remedies.

512
00:32:03,667 --> 00:32:04,507
Speaker 5: Remedies for that.

513
00:32:06,947 --> 00:32:11,747
Speaker 9: In terms of contract it would be standard things like

514
00:32:12,507 --> 00:32:18,507
Speaker 9: of breach of contract, misrepresentation, those types of things. But

515
00:32:18,547 --> 00:32:23,107
Speaker 9: I think the problem here is enforcement right. It depends

516
00:32:23,147 --> 00:32:30,667
Speaker 9: on the panther's financial position and legal structure. Are they

517
00:32:30,707 --> 00:32:35,187
Speaker 9: even in a position to be able to pay these

518
00:32:35,187 --> 00:32:38,907
Speaker 9: players or even meet these remedies laid down the track

519
00:32:39,307 --> 00:32:42,227
Speaker 9: if these breaches continue, And that's always one of the

520
00:32:42,747 --> 00:32:47,387
Speaker 9: one of the challenges. I'm not sure whether the NBL,

521
00:32:47,747 --> 00:32:50,867
Speaker 9: I'm not across it, but whether the NBL is a

522
00:32:50,907 --> 00:32:54,867
Speaker 9: party to any of those employment agreements or contracts, whether

523
00:32:54,867 --> 00:32:57,347
Speaker 9: there are any indemnities there from the NBA to cover

524
00:32:57,387 --> 00:33:05,427
Speaker 9: those costs. The NBA might choose to do that anyway,

525
00:33:03,547 --> 00:33:09,787
Speaker 9: but from an from an employment law perspective, there are

526
00:33:09,907 --> 00:33:13,547
Speaker 9: some protections and hopefully those will be available for the

527
00:33:13,587 --> 00:33:16,347
Speaker 9: players if they do remain out of pocket.

528
00:33:16,627 --> 00:33:19,227
Speaker 2: Would it be common for a governing body like New

529
00:33:19,347 --> 00:33:24,227
Speaker 2: Zealand Basketball to cover costs like those? Would that be

530
00:33:24,267 --> 00:33:27,907
Speaker 2: a common thing to happen, No.

531
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Speaker 6: It wouldn't be.

532
00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:32,467
Speaker 9: I mean in environments where there are collective agreements, then

533
00:33:32,627 --> 00:33:37,387
Speaker 9: use the governing body would be party to those agreements.

534
00:33:38,347 --> 00:33:39,547
Speaker 6: But it would.

535
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Speaker 9: It would be uncommon in this type of structure for

536
00:33:45,627 --> 00:33:48,907
Speaker 9: the NBL to be responsible for any of those payments.

537
00:33:49,467 --> 00:33:57,707
Speaker 9: They they provide the license, the twelve licenses to each franchise,

538
00:33:58,347 --> 00:34:05,347
Speaker 9: so the relationship with that the NBO has is primarily

539
00:34:05,387 --> 00:34:09,787
Speaker 9: with that franchise. It's the franchise that the contracts the

540
00:34:09,827 --> 00:34:14,227
Speaker 9: players and takes on those liabilities. So it would be uncommon.

541
00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:21,267
Speaker 9: But the NBL, for a reputational perspective, might take certain

542
00:34:21,307 --> 00:34:29,667
Speaker 9: steps to minimize the impact that this incident could have

543
00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:35,907
Speaker 9: on its competition and therefore do what's what's reasonably expected

544
00:34:35,947 --> 00:34:38,827
Speaker 9: of them to remedy at as best they can.

545
00:34:39,547 --> 00:34:43,747
Speaker 2: And they often say in sport, you win or you learn. Clearly,

546
00:34:43,867 --> 00:34:46,467
Speaker 2: there are some lessons to be learned here. Do you

547
00:34:46,507 --> 00:34:51,227
Speaker 2: think that the National Basketball League will be overly cautious

548
00:34:51,267 --> 00:34:54,107
Speaker 2: now about future innovation of this type? It would be

549
00:34:54,147 --> 00:34:56,467
Speaker 2: a shame if they didn't continue to innovate. But do

550
00:34:56,507 --> 00:34:58,667
Speaker 2: you think this will will make them a lot more

551
00:34:58,747 --> 00:35:01,027
Speaker 2: reticent in the future to do a similar sort of thing.

552
00:35:04,347 --> 00:35:08,107
Speaker 9: I think yeah, I think you're right that they've The

553
00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:11,707
Speaker 9: steps that I've taken to add this type of innovation

554
00:35:11,867 --> 00:35:16,067
Speaker 9: into the competition is really impressive, and you know, New

555
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:19,467
Speaker 9: Zealand's sport needs to do more of it because of

556
00:35:19,507 --> 00:35:21,707
Speaker 9: where we are in the world and time zones, et cetera,

557
00:35:21,827 --> 00:35:27,347
Speaker 9: to get that international exposure. So I do applaud them

558
00:35:27,027 --> 00:35:31,587
Speaker 9: for taking the steps they have to try something different.

559
00:35:31,747 --> 00:35:35,827
Speaker 9: I hope it doesn't put them or any other domestic

560
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,907
Speaker 9: competition off from doing something like this again. I think

561
00:35:39,507 --> 00:35:42,547
Speaker 9: there was always going to be or any business decision

562
00:35:42,627 --> 00:35:45,587
Speaker 9: like this is always going to be some risk. I

563
00:35:45,627 --> 00:35:50,187
Speaker 9: think everyone involved in this situation would I hope that

564
00:35:50,227 --> 00:35:55,707
Speaker 9: this was never going to be a possibility. The fact

565
00:35:55,747 --> 00:35:59,467
Speaker 9: that we are where we are will everyone involved will

566
00:35:59,507 --> 00:36:02,867
Speaker 9: do what it can to remedy as quickly as possible.

567
00:36:02,947 --> 00:36:05,307
Speaker 5: But I hope it doesn't put.

568
00:36:05,307 --> 00:36:09,507
Speaker 9: The likes of MBL from doing it again. It might

569
00:36:09,547 --> 00:36:14,507
Speaker 9: be just some some further questions asked and more comprehensive

570
00:36:14,587 --> 00:36:20,827
Speaker 9: due diligence potentially for the next time around. But if

571
00:36:21,627 --> 00:36:27,107
Speaker 9: it's not the Panthers playing in next year's NBL, I

572
00:36:27,187 --> 00:36:29,947
Speaker 9: presume there will still be a license available. And you'd

573
00:36:29,987 --> 00:36:32,787
Speaker 9: hope that, whether it's a New Zealand team or an

574
00:36:32,787 --> 00:36:38,267
Speaker 9: overseas team, that the competition continues to liver like it

575
00:36:38,347 --> 00:36:42,347
Speaker 9: is and continues to grow and you know, and retains

576
00:36:42,347 --> 00:36:44,387
Speaker 9: its fan base, which I'm sure it will indeed one.

577
00:36:45,307 --> 00:36:48,227
Speaker 2: You've provided this really interesting available insight. Henry, thanks so

578
00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:48,747
Speaker 2: much for your.

579
00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:50,707
Speaker 5: Time, mate, pleasure anytime.

580
00:36:50,787 --> 00:36:52,987
Speaker 2: No, thanks for joining us. Henry more there he heads

581
00:36:53,027 --> 00:36:55,547
Speaker 2: up the sports law practice at leading New Zealand law

582
00:36:55,547 --> 00:37:00,307
Speaker 2: firm Taverndale and Partners, fourteen away from one Towns for

583
00:37:00,307 --> 00:37:02,427
Speaker 2: you to jump on if you'd like to pass comments

584
00:37:02,427 --> 00:37:05,387
Speaker 2: on what's happened here. I guess it's it's easy for

585
00:37:05,507 --> 00:37:09,467
Speaker 2: us to hindsight say what a terrible idea this was.

586
00:37:11,307 --> 00:37:14,867
Speaker 2: You know, how do they ever expect that this would work?

587
00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:18,627
Speaker 2: But as I've said a number of times, you've got

588
00:37:18,667 --> 00:37:21,107
Speaker 2: to give things a crack as long as you take

589
00:37:22,027 --> 00:37:28,307
Speaker 2: your lessons from the things that don't work. Then you know,

590
00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:31,107
Speaker 2: I was going to say, you know, you don't lose anything. Yes,

591
00:37:31,107 --> 00:37:34,947
Speaker 2: I've lost a bit here Reputationally. This hasn't been a

592
00:37:34,947 --> 00:37:37,187
Speaker 2: good look and it hasn't been a good week for

593
00:37:37,467 --> 00:37:41,787
Speaker 2: the National Basketball League. Justin Nelson is the man behind,

594
00:37:42,307 --> 00:37:47,187
Speaker 2: in large part, behind the Panthers introduction to the National

595
00:37:47,227 --> 00:37:49,747
Speaker 2: Basketball League. And you'll know Justin from the way that

596
00:37:49,827 --> 00:37:54,667
Speaker 2: he took over the competition during COVID and basically, in

597
00:37:54,747 --> 00:38:00,107
Speaker 2: many regards, saved the competition during that very challenging time.

598
00:38:00,827 --> 00:38:04,707
Speaker 2: Hugely innovative bloke. We've had him on the radio before

599
00:38:04,747 --> 00:38:12,827
Speaker 2: talking about how innovation is important two sporting organizations. And

600
00:38:12,867 --> 00:38:17,027
Speaker 2: even during the week, Justin Nelson on social media said

601
00:38:17,347 --> 00:38:21,867
Speaker 2: I'm gutted and disappointed, especially for the players, and I

602
00:38:21,987 --> 00:38:25,707
Speaker 2: take full accountability for bringing the initiative to the New

603
00:38:25,787 --> 00:38:29,827
Speaker 2: Zealand National Basketball League. But he goes on to say,

604
00:38:29,947 --> 00:38:33,747
Speaker 2: I won't stop innovating. While we get some right, others

605
00:38:33,787 --> 00:38:38,387
Speaker 2: can be difficult. We'll get through this. See, that is

606
00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:42,187
Speaker 2: a brilliant attitude to bring to this. That is exactly

607
00:38:42,227 --> 00:38:46,907
Speaker 2: the attitude that we should be bringing to this. While

608
00:38:46,947 --> 00:38:50,227
Speaker 2: some work, some don't. As I said before, Rapid League

609
00:38:50,227 --> 00:38:55,547
Speaker 2: has been terrifically successful. This was perhaps as you looked

610
00:38:55,547 --> 00:38:58,027
Speaker 2: at it and listening to Jeff Green's words, they kind

611
00:38:58,027 --> 00:39:01,347
Speaker 2: of rung true. This one seemed like it was a

612
00:39:01,387 --> 00:39:04,747
Speaker 2: lot more problematic from the start. It wasn't bringing in

613
00:39:06,147 --> 00:39:09,347
Speaker 2: another New Zealand based franchise as they did with the

614
00:39:09,827 --> 00:39:12,907
Speaker 2: with the Thigh a couple of years ago. They're the

615
00:39:12,987 --> 00:39:15,227
Speaker 2: latest one to come in. It wasn't like they were

616
00:39:15,267 --> 00:39:17,787
Speaker 2: standing up a new franchise in New Zealand, or even

617
00:39:18,267 --> 00:39:21,627
Speaker 2: bringing in one from Australia as they did with the Huskies,

618
00:39:21,667 --> 00:39:24,347
Speaker 2: as they were a few years ago. It's just a

619
00:39:24,347 --> 00:39:27,987
Speaker 2: short hop it when I first heard it, when I

620
00:39:28,027 --> 00:39:30,027
Speaker 2: first heard the idea, and I'll try to keep an

621
00:39:30,067 --> 00:39:32,307
Speaker 2: open mind about these things. When someone said, okay, they're

622
00:39:32,307 --> 00:39:35,227
Speaker 2: going to bring an Indian side into the New Zealand

623
00:39:35,307 --> 00:39:39,467
Speaker 2: National Basketball League, it didn't seem initially to me anyway,

624
00:39:39,947 --> 00:39:46,147
Speaker 2: like a natural fit. It didn't. It didn't seem like,

625
00:39:46,187 --> 00:39:49,107
Speaker 2: oh wow, okay, that's that. That sounds like it's, you know,

626
00:39:49,227 --> 00:39:52,627
Speaker 2: a natural thing to do to bring an Indian side

627
00:39:52,747 --> 00:39:56,187
Speaker 2: into a New Zealand competition. But I thought, okay, well

628
00:39:56,347 --> 00:39:59,707
Speaker 2: let's give it. Let's see, because it could be tremendous.

629
00:40:00,347 --> 00:40:03,347
Speaker 2: Justin Nelson talked about the big market for basketball up

630
00:40:03,347 --> 00:40:07,107
Speaker 2: in India, which is true, massive popular up there. He

631
00:40:07,147 --> 00:40:10,827
Speaker 2: talked about how it could further forge relationships, not just

632
00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:13,267
Speaker 2: in a sporting sense, but in a broadcast sense, even

633
00:40:13,307 --> 00:40:16,787
Speaker 2: in a trade sense between the two countries. We know

634
00:40:16,867 --> 00:40:21,987
Speaker 2: that sport is an extremely valuable connector between countries from

635
00:40:21,987 --> 00:40:25,147
Speaker 2: a wider point of view. Goodness me, Christopher Luxon took

636
00:40:25,187 --> 00:40:29,827
Speaker 2: an entire delegation over to India, including Ross Taylor recently

637
00:40:30,467 --> 00:40:36,627
Speaker 2: to try and further solidify relationships between India and New Zealand.

638
00:40:36,947 --> 00:40:40,827
Speaker 2: So I don't think you can. You certainly can't be

639
00:40:41,547 --> 00:40:44,587
Speaker 2: scornful of the intent. Like I say, you just got

640
00:40:44,587 --> 00:40:47,107
Speaker 2: to take some lessons. I would love for the New

641
00:40:47,227 --> 00:40:51,147
Speaker 2: Zealand National Basketball League to be successful. It is successful.

642
00:40:52,467 --> 00:40:54,987
Speaker 2: You go along to games. I'm Wellington based. You go

643
00:40:55,027 --> 00:40:57,467
Speaker 2: along to a Saints game here in Wellington and it

644
00:40:57,547 --> 00:41:01,987
Speaker 2: is a terrific occasion. The quality of the sport is good,

645
00:41:02,707 --> 00:41:07,227
Speaker 2: the game day entertainment that gets wrapped around it, the excitement,

646
00:41:07,307 --> 00:41:09,627
Speaker 2: the fact that after the game they've made it a

647
00:41:09,627 --> 00:41:12,427
Speaker 2: thing that fans can go down onto the court and

648
00:41:12,827 --> 00:41:15,227
Speaker 2: get autographs and things like that and selfies with their

649
00:41:15,507 --> 00:41:19,667
Speaker 2: favorite players. That there's a real deep connection between this

650
00:41:19,747 --> 00:41:22,627
Speaker 2: league and its fans, and we all know that basketball

651
00:41:22,747 --> 00:41:25,507
Speaker 2: is on an upward trajectory and has been for quite

652
00:41:25,507 --> 00:41:32,667
Speaker 2: some time. Here, this will have some reputational damage attached

653
00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:36,147
Speaker 2: to it. It'll make headlines around the place. And as

654
00:41:36,147 --> 00:41:38,867
Speaker 2: soon as you start mentioning players needing to go to

655
00:41:38,987 --> 00:41:42,387
Speaker 2: food banks in order to eat, then that is the

656
00:41:42,507 --> 00:41:45,147
Speaker 2: kind of thing that makes headlines around the place and

657
00:41:45,187 --> 00:41:47,107
Speaker 2: a player might go, well, jeepus, I'm not going down

658
00:41:47,147 --> 00:41:51,787
Speaker 2: to a league where that's happened, But I think any

659
00:41:51,827 --> 00:41:55,067
Speaker 2: further research will bring to the fore the fact that

660
00:41:55,107 --> 00:41:57,427
Speaker 2: this is a good league and a lot of high

661
00:41:57,547 --> 00:42:01,747
Speaker 2: quality American players and from other nationalities as well have

662
00:42:01,787 --> 00:42:04,547
Speaker 2: come here and done very well and enhanced our league

663
00:42:04,827 --> 00:42:08,027
Speaker 2: and helped our young players to develop. Not away from

664
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Speaker 2: one News Talk set B back in a moment.

665
00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:16,347
Speaker 1: One Crunch Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason him and GJ. Gunnerholmes,

666
00:42:16,547 --> 00:42:19,187
Speaker 1: New Zealand's first trusted home builder, News Talk to Be,

667
00:42:20,387 --> 00:42:21,147
Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: To B and Weekend Sport couple of texts through on

669
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Speaker 2: the on the basketball. Gilly says, bless you party. You

670
00:42:29,027 --> 00:42:32,507
Speaker 2: didn't say learnings. No, if I ever say the word learnings,

671
00:42:32,907 --> 00:42:38,627
Speaker 2: feel free to to get in touch and to chastise me.

672
00:42:39,387 --> 00:42:42,667
Speaker 2: It's a word we're trying to eliminate from the sporting vernacular.

673
00:42:42,987 --> 00:42:46,747
Speaker 2: It seems to have crept in. I don't, I don't.

674
00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:50,627
Speaker 2: I don't know how this word learnings has crept in.

675
00:42:50,707 --> 00:42:54,107
Speaker 2: But there are a couple of sports broadcasters me included

676
00:42:54,227 --> 00:42:57,867
Speaker 2: another one of my good friends, Mark Stafford, who have

677
00:42:57,987 --> 00:43:01,467
Speaker 2: decided that this word is a is a blight on

678
00:43:01,587 --> 00:43:05,387
Speaker 2: our vocabulary. So we're doing everything we can to eliminate

679
00:43:05,427 --> 00:43:07,947
Speaker 2: its use. So if you ever hear me say learnings,

680
00:43:08,347 --> 00:43:11,267
Speaker 2: please get in touch and let me know, and I

681
00:43:11,307 --> 00:43:15,627
Speaker 2: will know. Maybe should have a swear jar, a learning's

682
00:43:15,747 --> 00:43:19,707
Speaker 2: jar whenever I say that word. Gareth says, external risk.

683
00:43:19,747 --> 00:43:23,027
Speaker 2: I think can be managed. Imports will blame franchise than

684
00:43:23,067 --> 00:43:25,187
Speaker 2: agents if they have a bad experience with a team.

685
00:43:25,587 --> 00:43:28,827
Speaker 2: The damage is more between the NBL and the remaining franchises.

686
00:43:28,827 --> 00:43:32,547
Speaker 2: Good point, Gareth, good point. Yeah, I think you know.

687
00:43:32,627 --> 00:43:37,187
Speaker 2: And look, I don't suggest for a second that the

688
00:43:37,267 --> 00:43:40,867
Speaker 2: New Zealand National basketballing franchises want anything other than what

689
00:43:40,987 --> 00:43:43,467
Speaker 2: is best for the league and for themselves as part

690
00:43:43,507 --> 00:43:45,427
Speaker 2: of it. And I don't think they will look at

691
00:43:45,467 --> 00:43:47,707
Speaker 2: the National Basketball again and say, hey, you've stuffed this

692
00:43:47,787 --> 00:43:51,267
Speaker 2: one up. They might, they'll remind them. I'm sure when

693
00:43:51,827 --> 00:43:56,667
Speaker 2: future innovation is mooted that this one was a miss.

694
00:43:57,587 --> 00:44:00,867
Speaker 2: They have had hits. But yeah, it's a very good

695
00:44:00,867 --> 00:44:03,307
Speaker 2: point that you make. Eareth Josh says, we still get

696
00:44:03,347 --> 00:44:05,547
Speaker 2: to realize how good Jackson Ball is. This is a

697
00:44:05,547 --> 00:44:08,787
Speaker 2: guy he's blankfable Hawks Bay. I think he's still year thirteen.

698
00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:12,347
Speaker 2: He might even be year twelve. He's only seventeen years

699
00:44:12,387 --> 00:44:14,947
Speaker 2: old playing for Hawks Bay. Josh says, we're still to

700
00:44:14,987 --> 00:44:17,307
Speaker 2: realize how good he is. I watched them score forty

701
00:44:17,307 --> 00:44:20,067
Speaker 2: five points two years ago as a fourteen year old

702
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Speaker 2: at the National Champs. Kids are going to go places.

703
00:44:22,707 --> 00:44:24,747
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more, Josh, I've sent a bit of Jackson Ball.

704
00:44:25,147 --> 00:44:27,427
Speaker 2: Seems like a guy with a very high ceiling. After

705
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Speaker 2: one o'clock, the Wallabies have a new coach. How they

706
00:44:29,907 --> 00:44:31,387
Speaker 2: feeling about that? Across the ditch?

707
00:44:37,107 --> 00:44:40,147
Speaker 1: Should you be the TMO have your say on eight

708
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hin

709
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Speaker 1: and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks.

710
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Speaker 2: EDB one nine on News Talks EDB talking to Wallabies

711
00:44:52,107 --> 00:44:57,187
Speaker 2: and their increased threat to taking away one of the

712
00:44:57,227 --> 00:45:00,627
Speaker 2: most prized pieces of silverware in New Zealand sport. Text

713
00:45:00,667 --> 00:45:04,427
Speaker 2: here nobody wins the bledders Low Cup twenty three times

714
00:45:04,467 --> 00:45:08,107
Speaker 2: in a row. Yes, good point, very good point. I

715
00:45:08,147 --> 00:45:10,827
Speaker 2: was actually thinking, did Drew Mitchell ever win the Bledislow Cup?

716
00:45:10,867 --> 00:45:14,067
Speaker 2: I don't think he did. I think his I'm glad

717
00:45:14,067 --> 00:45:15,947
Speaker 2: I didn't ask him actually, because I don't think Drew

718
00:45:15,987 --> 00:45:18,427
Speaker 2: Mitchell ever got his hands on the Bledisloe Cup. He

719
00:45:18,467 --> 00:45:23,587
Speaker 2: came into the team after the Australian team last had

720
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Speaker 2: it two thousand and three, and obviously they haven't had

721
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Speaker 2: it since. What was that, sorry, Andy? He joined in

722
00:45:32,107 --> 00:45:35,307
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. So no, yes, he's never had

723
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Speaker 2: the Bledisloe Cup, one of a number of Australian players

724
00:45:38,787 --> 00:45:41,387
Speaker 2: who have never had the pleasure. But who knows, Who

725
00:45:41,427 --> 00:45:44,187
Speaker 2: knows what might happen this year? How worried are you

726
00:45:44,467 --> 00:45:46,987
Speaker 2: feel that we might be saying goodbye even for a

727
00:45:47,067 --> 00:45:48,907
Speaker 2: year or so to the Bledisloe Cup.

728
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Speaker 5: Well, what was that point? You said, Piney that the

729
00:45:54,627 --> 00:45:56,947
Speaker 5: text had just brought and you said, good point. Just

730
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Speaker 5: now I just misthought it was.

731
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I just I just the text I just

732
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:04,267
Speaker 2: read out was about the Bledislow Cup having been won

733
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Speaker 2: twenty three years in a row.

734
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Speaker 6: Are so?

735
00:46:07,627 --> 00:46:11,747
Speaker 2: But no, no, no, there are some good points being

736
00:46:11,787 --> 00:46:14,787
Speaker 2: made on text about the increased strength of the Australian teams,

737
00:46:14,787 --> 00:46:17,187
Speaker 2: and I guess that is probably what you've run to

738
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Speaker 2: talk about as well.

739
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you asked how worried I am. I'm

740
00:46:24,547 --> 00:46:27,867
Speaker 5: not overly worry. But I can see it. I can

741
00:46:27,907 --> 00:46:31,747
Speaker 5: see it. There's a definite possibility with the strength of

742
00:46:31,827 --> 00:46:35,067
Speaker 5: the Aussie teams that, like you say, in this competition

743
00:46:35,147 --> 00:46:37,187
Speaker 5: at the moment, and you know some of the players

744
00:46:37,187 --> 00:46:40,187
Speaker 5: and that, and like I was just saying to Andy,

745
00:46:40,227 --> 00:46:43,707
Speaker 5: I watched the Blues game last night and with the Force,

746
00:46:44,547 --> 00:46:47,067
Speaker 5: and because I said to Andy, I sort of wanted

747
00:46:47,067 --> 00:46:48,187
Speaker 5: to have a wee bit of a talk about that

748
00:46:48,267 --> 00:46:52,347
Speaker 5: as well. And the Force could quite have easily been

749
00:46:52,507 --> 00:46:55,507
Speaker 5: in that first ten or fifteen minutes they blew two

750
00:46:55,587 --> 00:46:58,707
Speaker 5: or three opportunities and could have easily been like fifteen

751
00:46:58,907 --> 00:47:02,347
Speaker 5: points up on top of the Blues, but the Blues

752
00:47:02,427 --> 00:47:04,467
Speaker 5: hung in there and then in the second half is

753
00:47:04,507 --> 00:47:09,707
Speaker 5: where they really kicked into gear. But boy, that Harry

754
00:47:09,747 --> 00:47:12,827
Speaker 5: Potter player for the Force, man, is he something. He

755
00:47:13,027 --> 00:47:16,387
Speaker 5: cut through the Blues a number of times and like

756
00:47:16,427 --> 00:47:18,907
Speaker 5: a guy, you know, that's just one example of a

757
00:47:18,947 --> 00:47:20,587
Speaker 5: guy like him. I mean, he's going to be a

758
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:22,827
Speaker 5: Wallabye for sure, and he's going to cause all sorts

759
00:47:22,827 --> 00:47:25,547
Speaker 5: of problems with his ability and talent. And you know,

760
00:47:25,667 --> 00:47:28,427
Speaker 5: then you've got the old, the old wiley veteran like

761
00:47:28,467 --> 00:47:31,427
Speaker 5: Andy said with the fellow right that come on. And

762
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Speaker 5: then you've got Kurtly Beal, who showed his class last

763
00:47:34,787 --> 00:47:37,787
Speaker 5: night after such a long break, even with that long

764
00:47:37,827 --> 00:47:40,507
Speaker 5: injury break, he come on and got a Troy and

765
00:47:40,827 --> 00:47:43,307
Speaker 5: had some great touches that. And you just go through

766
00:47:43,307 --> 00:47:46,147
Speaker 5: these Aussie teams at the moment and they got great

767
00:47:46,147 --> 00:47:48,707
Speaker 5: players all over the place. So I think, yeah, I

768
00:47:48,747 --> 00:47:51,027
Speaker 5: think that the Wallabies are going to be a real

769
00:47:51,267 --> 00:47:53,387
Speaker 5: They're going to be a real force and a real

770
00:47:53,427 --> 00:47:57,467
Speaker 5: possibility of taking it off us. And I also think

771
00:47:58,267 --> 00:48:01,067
Speaker 5: I like, I like, as they say, the cut of

772
00:48:01,067 --> 00:48:03,627
Speaker 5: the guy's jib, I really like this guy, les Kiss,

773
00:48:03,667 --> 00:48:07,747
Speaker 5: you know, when I've listened to him on the after

774
00:48:07,787 --> 00:48:09,467
Speaker 5: the game in that, when he's been interviewed in that

775
00:48:10,307 --> 00:48:12,387
Speaker 5: and I dislike what he says and you just get

776
00:48:12,427 --> 00:48:15,507
Speaker 5: that feeling he's got something about him a bit like

777
00:48:15,547 --> 00:48:18,587
Speaker 5: a Smith, you know, like Joe Smith there and under

778
00:48:19,147 --> 00:48:22,347
Speaker 5: and hanging around Joe Smith and learning from him and

779
00:48:22,947 --> 00:48:25,467
Speaker 5: how good he is and that. Yeah, I think he's

780
00:48:25,507 --> 00:48:27,867
Speaker 5: going to elevate the Wallabies right up there, like I

781
00:48:27,867 --> 00:48:30,467
Speaker 5: think Smith has already partly done that.

782
00:48:31,067 --> 00:48:33,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look forward to seeing what they do in

783
00:48:33,547 --> 00:48:38,267
Speaker 2: terms of integrating him in phil because clearly so they've

784
00:48:38,267 --> 00:48:40,467
Speaker 2: appointed him coach. But he said, look, I'm not going

785
00:48:40,507 --> 00:48:43,187
Speaker 2: to take on the role full time until my Reds

786
00:48:43,187 --> 00:48:46,787
Speaker 2: commitments are done, which is after the twenty twenty six

787
00:48:46,867 --> 00:48:50,827
Speaker 2: Super Rugby season. But when this Super Rugby season finishes,

788
00:48:51,147 --> 00:48:53,547
Speaker 2: which will be in a month or so, and depending

789
00:48:53,587 --> 00:48:56,027
Speaker 2: after that how deep they go into the finals, then

790
00:48:56,387 --> 00:48:59,907
Speaker 2: there's no reason why Leskis can't just spend the rest

791
00:48:59,907 --> 00:49:02,107
Speaker 2: of the year in and around the Wallabies.

792
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Speaker 6: Is there.

793
00:49:02,587 --> 00:49:05,147
Speaker 2: I know it might be a little bit confusing and

794
00:49:05,187 --> 00:49:08,387
Speaker 2: perhaps slightly dis's acting if there are two voices in

795
00:49:08,387 --> 00:49:12,307
Speaker 2: that environment. But if I'm Rugby Australia, exactly what you

796
00:49:12,427 --> 00:49:15,747
Speaker 2: just said, there can't be any harm at all and

797
00:49:15,907 --> 00:49:19,427
Speaker 2: only good to come from Leska spending time with Joe Schmitt.

798
00:49:20,587 --> 00:49:21,147
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I.

799
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Speaker 5: Think if I was, because I don't think I don't

800
00:49:26,627 --> 00:49:30,547
Speaker 5: think the Felacus has the kind of ego too that

801
00:49:30,627 --> 00:49:33,467
Speaker 5: he would want to step in and put his all

802
00:49:33,627 --> 00:49:36,707
Speaker 5: in it at the moment. You know. So if I

803
00:49:37,147 --> 00:49:40,787
Speaker 5: was him, I would just sit back, hang around the environment,

804
00:49:40,907 --> 00:49:43,747
Speaker 5: like you said, and just soak up and watch and

805
00:49:43,827 --> 00:49:48,267
Speaker 5: listen and ask Joe Smith stuff and that sort of thing,

806
00:49:48,307 --> 00:49:50,307
Speaker 5: and pick his brain and sort of be almost like

807
00:49:50,387 --> 00:49:53,707
Speaker 5: the apprentice learning off the master, you know, which I mean,

808
00:49:53,707 --> 00:49:57,147
Speaker 5: he already obviously has great knowledge himself, but you know,

809
00:49:57,267 --> 00:50:01,067
Speaker 5: you just again, like I say, the apprentice sort of

810
00:50:01,427 --> 00:50:04,027
Speaker 5: learning off the master, and then when he gets in

811
00:50:04,067 --> 00:50:07,027
Speaker 5: that position, all that knowledge that he's gained, plus his

812
00:50:07,107 --> 00:50:10,227
Speaker 5: own ideas and things, you know, he can he can

813
00:50:10,267 --> 00:50:13,467
Speaker 5: implement and start to take on board. But you know,

814
00:50:13,507 --> 00:50:15,867
Speaker 5: it's like a grand chess master, you know, like you

815
00:50:15,947 --> 00:50:18,387
Speaker 5: sit there and you're a great you know, you're a

816
00:50:18,387 --> 00:50:21,027
Speaker 5: great play yourself, but you actually just sit there and

817
00:50:21,027 --> 00:50:23,507
Speaker 5: watch the grand master you know sort of thing and

818
00:50:23,547 --> 00:50:31,947
Speaker 5: that can only give you strength and your own when

819
00:50:31,947 --> 00:50:35,027
Speaker 5: you go forward, you know, rather than thinking you you know,

820
00:50:35,107 --> 00:50:38,467
Speaker 5: you get a situation where someone might think, oh, I

821
00:50:38,587 --> 00:50:40,907
Speaker 5: don't need to really learn war much. I know it

822
00:50:40,947 --> 00:50:42,947
Speaker 5: all in there. Got some arrogance, you know, and that's

823
00:50:42,987 --> 00:50:44,827
Speaker 5: but I don't think Liz Kiss is like that. I

824
00:50:44,907 --> 00:50:48,387
Speaker 5: think he's a sort of character that sits back and says, well,

825
00:50:48,427 --> 00:50:50,387
Speaker 5: I can learn something from this. Even though I know

826
00:50:50,467 --> 00:50:52,907
Speaker 5: a lot, I can still learn from someone else who's

827
00:50:53,547 --> 00:50:59,187
Speaker 5: you know, maybe there is also a great coach.

828
00:50:58,267 --> 00:51:01,067
Speaker 2: And we also have to remember. Yeah, I think what

829
00:51:01,147 --> 00:51:02,907
Speaker 2: we always have to remember, Phill is that actually Liz

830
00:51:02,947 --> 00:51:05,227
Speaker 2: Kis has been around for quite some time. He's worked

831
00:51:05,227 --> 00:51:10,067
Speaker 2: with Joe Schmidt obviously previously, but he's been around. His

832
00:51:10,187 --> 00:51:13,427
Speaker 2: first coaching experience was all the way back in two

833
00:51:13,507 --> 00:51:18,387
Speaker 2: thousand and one he helped out South Africa as defense coach.

834
00:51:18,507 --> 00:51:21,467
Speaker 2: He's been involved in a number of Super rugby sides.

835
00:51:21,507 --> 00:51:26,707
Speaker 2: He's been Australia Under twenty one assistant, Waratar's assistant Australia,

836
00:51:26,827 --> 00:51:30,867
Speaker 2: a assistant Irish assistant as I say, then director of

837
00:51:30,947 --> 00:51:34,267
Speaker 2: Rugby at Ulster, then London Irish and then onto the

838
00:51:34,307 --> 00:51:38,907
Speaker 2: Red So that is quite the cv for Les Kiss

839
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Speaker 2: And I think he's so right. He just seems I mean,

840
00:51:41,427 --> 00:51:44,587
Speaker 2: he's just seems so different from Eddie Jones, doesn't he.

841
00:51:45,187 --> 00:51:49,307
Speaker 2: And I think Australia learned some pretty harsh lessons, not learnings,

842
00:51:49,587 --> 00:51:54,667
Speaker 2: lessons from Eddie Jones's ill fated tenure which took them

843
00:51:54,667 --> 00:51:57,187
Speaker 2: through the twenty twenty three Rugby World Cup. I think

844
00:51:57,267 --> 00:52:02,547
Speaker 2: just by probably just by circumstance, they have found themselves

845
00:52:02,627 --> 00:52:05,987
Speaker 2: Rugby Australia in a very fortunate position in that they've

846
00:52:06,027 --> 00:52:11,467
Speaker 2: some managed to keep on extending Joe Shma's out because

847
00:52:11,507 --> 00:52:13,867
Speaker 2: he said when he took the job on this is

848
00:52:13,907 --> 00:52:16,147
Speaker 2: not going to be a long term thing. I'm not

849
00:52:16,227 --> 00:52:19,467
Speaker 2: taking it to the Lions tour. He even said, well

850
00:52:19,787 --> 00:52:22,467
Speaker 2: they found a way to encourage him to do that.

851
00:52:22,667 --> 00:52:24,707
Speaker 2: I'm not taking it to the next Rugby World Cup.

852
00:52:24,707 --> 00:52:27,747
Speaker 2: He said. Well, I just wonder whether in the backgrounds

853
00:52:28,227 --> 00:52:30,427
Speaker 2: they might be saying to Joe Shmitt, you know what, Joe,

854
00:52:30,827 --> 00:52:33,147
Speaker 2: just hang around for a bit, you know, just come

855
00:52:33,187 --> 00:52:35,427
Speaker 2: and go as you please, be a bit of an

856
00:52:35,467 --> 00:52:40,427
Speaker 2: advisor to lez stay involved. In other words, I would

857
00:52:40,427 --> 00:52:43,787
Speaker 2: not be at all surprised, particularly given the fact that

858
00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:47,267
Speaker 2: the World Cup is in Australia, that Joe Shmitt doesn't

859
00:52:47,307 --> 00:52:51,347
Speaker 2: have some kind of role to play beyond the middle

860
00:52:51,387 --> 00:52:55,307
Speaker 2: of next year. I don't know what you call it.

861
00:52:55,787 --> 00:52:58,987
Speaker 2: You probably don't even have to call it anything, but

862
00:52:59,107 --> 00:53:02,307
Speaker 2: having Joe in and around a rugby team is clearly

863
00:53:02,387 --> 00:53:05,787
Speaker 2: something that is beneficial to that rugby team. So why

864
00:53:05,787 --> 00:53:08,387
Speaker 2: wouldn't you feel good to chat mate? Thanks for calling in.

865
00:53:08,707 --> 00:53:11,507
Speaker 2: Just on the Force. I think the Force's major problem

866
00:53:11,547 --> 00:53:16,907
Speaker 2: is points concession. They've now conceded more tries than anybody else,

867
00:53:16,947 --> 00:53:21,147
Speaker 2: even the Fijian drewer in the competition, fifty seven tries

868
00:53:21,907 --> 00:53:25,947
Speaker 2: they have conceded, albeit having played one more match than

869
00:53:25,947 --> 00:53:29,147
Speaker 2: a number of the other sides. And as far as

870
00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:32,027
Speaker 2: scoring tries is concerned, they're very good at that as well.

871
00:53:33,667 --> 00:53:37,027
Speaker 2: More tries than a number of the teams above them,

872
00:53:37,067 --> 00:53:40,387
Speaker 2: more than the Blues, more than the Hurricanes, more than

873
00:53:40,387 --> 00:53:46,547
Speaker 2: the Reds. They're a good team. The Western Force. Andy

874
00:53:46,627 --> 00:53:48,187
Speaker 2: was trying to tell me during the week how they

875
00:53:48,227 --> 00:53:52,547
Speaker 2: are the best team to watch in Super Rugby. I've

876
00:53:52,547 --> 00:53:55,187
Speaker 2: got the messages to prove it, He's been telling me

877
00:53:55,227 --> 00:53:59,667
Speaker 2: all week. Andy has about the strength of the Force. Look,

878
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:02,587
Speaker 2: I still think they'll probably miss the six I think

879
00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:06,907
Speaker 2: last night, you know, would have been a good opportunity

880
00:54:06,947 --> 00:54:09,467
Speaker 2: for them to perhaps show that they are the real deal.

881
00:54:10,187 --> 00:54:14,067
Speaker 2: The Force, the Blues were clearly desperate last night, have

882
00:54:14,227 --> 00:54:18,347
Speaker 2: to win their remaining games pretty much to stay in

883
00:54:18,387 --> 00:54:22,907
Speaker 2: the fight. The Force welcome the Brumbies to Western Australia

884
00:54:23,067 --> 00:54:26,627
Speaker 2: next weekend. Then they're off to Laotoka to take on

885
00:54:26,667 --> 00:54:30,467
Speaker 2: the Drewer. Now, the Drewer basically never lose in L'autoka,

886
00:54:30,787 --> 00:54:32,827
Speaker 2: so that'd be tough. And then they welcome the Warriors.

887
00:54:33,147 --> 00:54:37,507
Speaker 2: The Warriors the Waratars back to Perth, so three of

888
00:54:37,507 --> 00:54:40,267
Speaker 2: their remaining or two of their remaining three games are

889
00:54:40,307 --> 00:54:42,387
Speaker 2: at home, but they've got to go to Lautoka. I

890
00:54:42,427 --> 00:54:45,707
Speaker 2: just feel like the Force are just going to miss out.

891
00:54:45,947 --> 00:54:48,867
Speaker 2: That's just my gut on it. I just don't think

892
00:54:48,867 --> 00:54:51,387
Speaker 2: they're going to be there. I think the Waratars are

893
00:54:51,427 --> 00:54:54,107
Speaker 2: more likely to be in the sixth than the Western

894
00:54:54,187 --> 00:54:58,307
Speaker 2: Force are. Ian any thoughts on tonight's game.

895
00:54:59,187 --> 00:55:02,707
Speaker 13: Listen, mate, I had to bring you. It's been a

896
00:55:02,707 --> 00:55:04,907
Speaker 13: great sort of a week and it's been building up

897
00:55:04,947 --> 00:55:08,067
Speaker 13: and the money's at the moment I'll be flowing. I've

898
00:55:08,067 --> 00:55:11,827
Speaker 13: been down the tab yesterday. Put the money on the

899
00:55:11,907 --> 00:55:14,027
Speaker 13: chief See. I think I did tell you once I

900
00:55:14,147 --> 00:55:15,187
Speaker 13: was a chief Is fan.

901
00:55:16,307 --> 00:55:18,427
Speaker 2: You put the money on the chief Sin have you

902
00:55:18,467 --> 00:55:23,387
Speaker 2: for tonight? Look, I think they're probably favorite. But you

903
00:55:23,427 --> 00:55:25,707
Speaker 2: know you're talking to a Hurricanes fan here. I know that.

904
00:55:26,227 --> 00:55:30,507
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, definitely mate. I'm not trying to upset you. Listen,

905
00:55:30,587 --> 00:55:32,267
Speaker 13: you've got a good show here. You know you have

906
00:55:32,307 --> 00:55:35,867
Speaker 13: a good show. I tell you every week. There's only

907
00:55:35,947 --> 00:55:38,547
Speaker 13: one show I listen to now on a Saturday, and

908
00:55:38,587 --> 00:55:41,187
Speaker 13: that's yours. But no, I don't know how it will

909
00:55:41,227 --> 00:55:45,147
Speaker 13: go really, jas but the Hurricanes. A lot of Tarannicky

910
00:55:45,227 --> 00:55:48,347
Speaker 13: guys probably follow the Hurricanes. But I just followed the

911
00:55:48,427 --> 00:55:52,427
Speaker 13: Chiefs from about three years ago and when they missed

912
00:55:52,427 --> 00:55:55,347
Speaker 13: out last year, and I've sort of followed them just

913
00:55:55,427 --> 00:55:57,867
Speaker 13: in that one way. But it's not just for money, Jase,

914
00:55:57,947 --> 00:56:00,227
Speaker 13: I do all right. I make a few bob here

915
00:56:00,227 --> 00:56:03,667
Speaker 13: and there, but no, it's going to be a tough one.

916
00:56:03,707 --> 00:56:06,027
Speaker 13: But you know the boys are up for it.

917
00:56:06,867 --> 00:56:09,067
Speaker 2: Well, you got your man Josh Jacob in there. Haven't

918
00:56:09,107 --> 00:56:12,547
Speaker 2: you any good Taranaki boy running the cutter there? At

919
00:56:12,547 --> 00:56:15,547
Speaker 2: first five in the absence of Damien Mackenzie. I like

920
00:56:15,627 --> 00:56:18,667
Speaker 2: Josh Jacob, look, I clearly hope the Hurricanes win tonight,

921
00:56:18,947 --> 00:56:21,787
Speaker 2: but for your sake and the sake of your tab balance,

922
00:56:22,227 --> 00:56:23,947
Speaker 2: I hope you get some joy as well. Maybe you

923
00:56:23,947 --> 00:56:26,747
Speaker 2: could hedge your bets. I don't know being a good

924
00:56:26,827 --> 00:56:30,947
Speaker 2: Chiefs fan. What's it called emotional insurance? When you bet

925
00:56:30,987 --> 00:56:33,827
Speaker 2: against your team, so that you know, regardless of what happens,

926
00:56:34,067 --> 00:56:36,587
Speaker 2: there's at least a degree of happiness. I've never been

927
00:56:36,627 --> 00:56:38,107
Speaker 2: able to bring myself to do it, and Ian, you

928
00:56:38,147 --> 00:56:40,347
Speaker 2: don't strike me as the kind of guy who would

929
00:56:40,347 --> 00:56:42,667
Speaker 2: do it either Either way, I hope it's a big

930
00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:44,747
Speaker 2: game tonight, A good game too. Good to chat to you.

931
00:56:44,787 --> 00:56:44,987
Speaker 6: Ian.

932
00:56:45,307 --> 00:56:45,827
Speaker 2: Another Phil.

933
00:56:45,867 --> 00:56:49,627
Speaker 10: Hello Phil By Jason Hawley. I'm ringing just to thank you.

934
00:56:50,307 --> 00:56:52,907
Speaker 10: I spoke to you three weeks ago about the fact

935
00:56:52,947 --> 00:56:56,707
Speaker 10: that we have the arm wrestle Wellington Hurricanes to get

936
00:56:56,707 --> 00:56:58,467
Speaker 10: the ball out the first side, and they picked them

937
00:56:58,507 --> 00:57:01,027
Speaker 10: away the whole game, and even that as your commentators

938
00:57:01,027 --> 00:57:04,067
Speaker 10: were saying, why don't they just pass the ball? And

939
00:57:04,147 --> 00:57:06,947
Speaker 10: in the last two games we've done that, we would

940
00:57:06,987 --> 00:57:09,787
Speaker 10: have beaten the Chiefs. We would have beaten Canterbury. We

941
00:57:09,827 --> 00:57:12,347
Speaker 10: would have beaten Auckland if we had done that. So

942
00:57:12,467 --> 00:57:14,587
Speaker 10: if you got that message through to them, thank.

943
00:57:14,427 --> 00:57:15,227
Speaker 6: You very much.

944
00:57:15,547 --> 00:57:19,547
Speaker 2: I feel like I couldn't possibly pretend to have been

945
00:57:19,907 --> 00:57:21,707
Speaker 2: any influence at all. But you know what, do you

946
00:57:21,747 --> 00:57:23,467
Speaker 2: know who I think has been an influence in any

947
00:57:23,467 --> 00:57:25,747
Speaker 2: of the ball white is Billy Proctor. The return of

948
00:57:25,787 --> 00:57:29,067
Speaker 2: Billy Proctor has been terrific, without a doubt.

949
00:57:29,067 --> 00:57:32,987
Speaker 10: And that boy from BETTONI wats his name? The second

950
00:57:33,027 --> 00:57:34,987
Speaker 10: five he's a structured player.

951
00:57:35,387 --> 00:57:38,627
Speaker 2: Ron Higgins, Yeah, yeah, Higgins and Proctor there they are

952
00:57:38,627 --> 00:57:40,787
Speaker 2: a good combo, a good combo film.

953
00:57:41,627 --> 00:57:44,427
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I coached. Have you spoken to the

954
00:57:44,507 --> 00:57:48,227
Speaker 10: all black who's what's his name? He was going to

955
00:57:48,267 --> 00:57:50,267
Speaker 10: talk to you today?

956
00:57:51,147 --> 00:57:51,347
Speaker 14: Yeah?

957
00:57:51,387 --> 00:57:52,707
Speaker 10: Yeah, have you spoken to him today?

958
00:57:52,827 --> 00:57:52,907
Speaker 6: No?

959
00:57:53,067 --> 00:57:55,067
Speaker 2: He's on the radio with us after two.

960
00:57:56,027 --> 00:57:58,347
Speaker 10: Okay, if you get the message through to him. Corey

961
00:57:58,587 --> 00:58:00,467
Speaker 10: just passed the ball. I refereed him when he was

962
00:58:00,467 --> 00:58:04,227
Speaker 10: a perhaped college and I refereed for twenty six years,

963
00:58:04,227 --> 00:58:06,267
Speaker 10: so I know how it works, and I've refereed and

964
00:58:06,547 --> 00:58:11,667
Speaker 10: UK it's a dumb drad style of rugby And you're

965
00:58:11,667 --> 00:58:15,107
Speaker 10: not wrong. Really worried about is Schmidt and the other guy.

966
00:58:15,787 --> 00:58:17,947
Speaker 10: How many games have we won in Australia this year?

967
00:58:18,067 --> 00:58:21,827
Speaker 2: So I think the Hurricane. I think the Hurricanes went

968
00:58:21,867 --> 00:58:24,187
Speaker 2: over the Brumbies last week was the first one. Phil.

969
00:58:25,107 --> 00:58:28,587
Speaker 10: Yeah. And now for the Rugby World Cup, I've got

970
00:58:30,267 --> 00:58:33,467
Speaker 10: Schmidt coaching over there and that's going to change the

971
00:58:33,507 --> 00:58:37,307
Speaker 10: face of Australian rugby. And he's always said Schmidt. I've

972
00:58:37,307 --> 00:58:40,067
Speaker 10: met him. He said, they've just got to move the

973
00:58:40,107 --> 00:58:42,747
Speaker 10: ball away from the big boys. So the days of

974
00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:46,227
Speaker 10: Joan Ohlong who under and down what they've gone, they

975
00:58:46,307 --> 00:58:48,747
Speaker 10: just moved the ball. And so if you're talking to

976
00:58:48,827 --> 00:58:51,827
Speaker 10: Cory Jane actually refereed bread shields too when I was

977
00:58:51,827 --> 00:58:54,027
Speaker 10: at Tile College. So that's how old I am.

978
00:58:54,307 --> 00:58:58,907
Speaker 2: But you know what, well looks, I'll pass. I'll pass

979
00:58:58,947 --> 00:59:01,667
Speaker 2: the Messa John, I'll say that, Corey Jane. Phil says,

980
00:59:01,987 --> 00:59:04,467
Speaker 2: just get up wide and I'm sure Bellieve Proctica will

981
00:59:04,467 --> 00:59:05,827
Speaker 2: be a big part of that. Got to go, Phil,

982
00:59:05,867 --> 00:59:07,347
Speaker 2: got to get a that's the Tasman again. But good

983
00:59:07,347 --> 00:59:07,787
Speaker 2: to chat to you.

984
00:59:07,867 --> 00:59:08,067
Speaker 6: Thanks.

985
00:59:08,067 --> 00:59:10,307
Speaker 2: Indeed, seventeen away from two news talks, he'd.

986
00:59:10,107 --> 00:59:12,787
Speaker 6: Be it's more than just a game.

987
00:59:13,147 --> 00:59:17,227
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988
00:59:17,347 --> 00:59:18,947
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989
00:59:19,067 --> 00:59:23,187
Speaker 2: News Talks B fourteen to two OSI correspondent Adam P. Cockers,

990
00:59:23,187 --> 00:59:25,227
Speaker 2: whethers Adam, when we're talking about Liz Curse as your

991
00:59:25,307 --> 00:59:28,347
Speaker 2: new Wallabies coach in general terms, how has the wider

992
00:59:28,667 --> 00:59:31,227
Speaker 2: sporting public received this particular appointment.

993
00:59:32,027 --> 00:59:36,627
Speaker 7: Yeah, everyone, it's pretty okay with it because he looked

994
00:59:36,627 --> 00:59:39,187
Speaker 7: like the best candidates. So then how are you going

995
00:59:39,267 --> 00:59:43,307
Speaker 7: to get Josemitt out of the way or let jose

996
00:59:43,347 --> 00:59:45,627
Speaker 7: Mit do what he wants because he's been so good

997
00:59:45,667 --> 00:59:49,427
Speaker 7: for the Wallabies and then have let's takeover. And I

998
00:59:49,427 --> 00:59:51,587
Speaker 7: think this is probably one of the smartest ways. They

999
00:59:51,627 --> 00:59:54,587
Speaker 7: don't look like guys who are going to agitate and

1000
00:59:55,027 --> 00:59:58,867
Speaker 7: you know, try and have table control and buger the

1001
00:59:58,867 --> 01:00:02,347
Speaker 7: other bloke's. It looks like it's very mutual, so and

1002
01:00:02,347 --> 01:00:04,787
Speaker 7: they work well together. And it's good to have someone

1003
01:00:04,827 --> 01:00:07,067
Speaker 7: like Josh med A round as long as you can

1004
01:00:07,147 --> 01:00:09,867
Speaker 7: keep them in a place like Australian rugby to help

1005
01:00:10,587 --> 01:00:13,347
Speaker 7: people up. There's kiss transition from what he has been

1006
01:00:13,387 --> 01:00:15,467
Speaker 7: a very good coach at provincial and state level for

1007
01:00:15,507 --> 01:00:18,787
Speaker 7: a very long time into international rugby, which obviously has

1008
01:00:18,827 --> 01:00:22,587
Speaker 7: its unique challenges, So yeah, I think it's a good idea.

1009
01:00:22,627 --> 01:00:25,027
Speaker 7: The only thing I'd say is that what role does

1010
01:00:25,107 --> 01:00:27,467
Speaker 7: josemid play in the twenty twenty seven World Cup And

1011
01:00:27,507 --> 01:00:31,827
Speaker 7: if there's some kind of consultancy roles or whatever. That

1012
01:00:31,867 --> 01:00:33,627
Speaker 7: remains to be seen. But that was the rumor doing

1013
01:00:33,627 --> 01:00:35,827
Speaker 7: the rounds in the lead up to this announcement.

1014
01:00:35,947 --> 01:00:38,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be a tremendously smart move.

1015
01:00:38,387 --> 01:00:41,387
Speaker 2: It seems as Rugby Australia have kind of managed to

1016
01:00:41,427 --> 01:00:43,267
Speaker 2: extend Joe Smitt. First of all, he didn't want to

1017
01:00:43,267 --> 01:00:44,787
Speaker 2: do this year, then he did some of it. Now

1018
01:00:44,827 --> 01:00:46,667
Speaker 2: he's going through to the middle of next year. I

1019
01:00:46,667 --> 01:00:50,387
Speaker 2: reckon somebody there's got pretty good negotiation powers at Rugby Australia.

1020
01:00:50,787 --> 01:00:53,867
Speaker 2: You just say, hey, we're almost at the Rugby World Cup,

1021
01:00:53,907 --> 01:00:55,987
Speaker 2: now mates to stay on in some sort of capacity.

1022
01:00:56,747 --> 01:00:58,427
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just just stretched out for as long as

1023
01:00:58,467 --> 01:01:01,267
Speaker 7: possible before he realizes that we're at the World Carlo,

1024
01:01:02,187 --> 01:01:05,107
Speaker 7: I think that's it up that it's by. It's a

1025
01:01:05,107 --> 01:01:08,587
Speaker 7: beautiful place Australia, so it's hard to say no to.

1026
01:01:08,547 --> 01:01:11,187
Speaker 2: The joint, isn't it absolutely right? Obviously Joe Shutt's finding

1027
01:01:11,267 --> 01:01:14,707
Speaker 2: that speaking of nice parts of your country. Brisbane NRL

1028
01:01:14,787 --> 01:01:17,187
Speaker 2: Magic Round. Eight games across three days at sun Corp

1029
01:01:17,387 --> 01:01:19,707
Speaker 2: wins last night for the Sharks and the Roosters, three

1030
01:01:19,747 --> 01:01:22,827
Speaker 2: games today, three tomorrow. Is this a popular concept Magic Round?

1031
01:01:23,627 --> 01:01:23,907
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1032
01:01:23,987 --> 01:01:24,187
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1033
01:01:24,427 --> 01:01:26,947
Speaker 7: They pack it out over three days and they put

1034
01:01:26,987 --> 01:01:29,427
Speaker 7: Women's Origin on on Thursday night, which which gets a

1035
01:01:29,427 --> 01:01:32,427
Speaker 7: good crowd and got damn good ratings as well, So yeah,

1036
01:01:32,467 --> 01:01:34,867
Speaker 7: it's a it's a it's a great idea. The only

1037
01:01:34,907 --> 01:01:36,587
Speaker 7: thing I'd say is a couple of weeks ago there's

1038
01:01:36,587 --> 01:01:38,707
Speaker 7: no games in Sydney and again this weekend there's no

1039
01:01:38,747 --> 01:01:41,187
Speaker 7: games in Sydney, so it's a bit it's a bit

1040
01:01:41,227 --> 01:01:45,267
Speaker 7: odd that, yeah, that the scheduling has taken away from

1041
01:01:45,467 --> 01:01:48,587
Speaker 7: footy in the biggest market in rugby league. But still

1042
01:01:48,627 --> 01:01:50,707
Speaker 7: it's a it's a great concept and it's here to

1043
01:01:50,747 --> 01:01:54,787
Speaker 7: stay and people go up and enjoy the extra curricular

1044
01:01:54,827 --> 01:01:56,787
Speaker 7: activities that you can in a place like Brisbane on

1045
01:01:56,787 --> 01:01:58,947
Speaker 7: a Friday and a Saturday night, So yeah, they come

1046
01:01:58,987 --> 01:02:02,427
Speaker 7: home worse for wear, but yeah, real festival of rugby league.

1047
01:02:02,427 --> 01:02:05,667
Speaker 7: Everyone loves it. And despite the fact that it's federal

1048
01:02:05,707 --> 01:02:09,067
Speaker 7: election day over here, I'm led to believe that They've

1049
01:02:09,107 --> 01:02:12,707
Speaker 7: even set up polling boots inside some Corp stadium or

1050
01:02:12,867 --> 01:02:15,347
Speaker 7: just around some Corp stadium so people can just do

1051
01:02:15,387 --> 01:02:17,867
Speaker 7: it all. They'll worry about copping the fine for not dating.

1052
01:02:17,907 --> 01:02:18,627
Speaker 7: They can do it there.

1053
01:02:19,107 --> 01:02:22,187
Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Well, according to my Instagram feed, most of

1054
01:02:22,187 --> 01:02:24,027
Speaker 2: the key wes have gone over there have spent time

1055
01:02:24,227 --> 01:02:26,907
Speaker 2: pretty much invading Caxton Street. That's the one, isn't it.

1056
01:02:27,187 --> 01:02:28,067
Speaker 6: Kingston Street there?

1057
01:02:28,747 --> 01:02:31,867
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Caxton Street where some Corp Stadium is not

1058
01:02:31,947 --> 01:02:33,547
Speaker 7: far from the Sea Theater, but it's a bit of

1059
01:02:33,547 --> 01:02:36,307
Speaker 7: a hike if you're going to walk or stagger as

1060
01:02:36,307 --> 01:02:39,987
Speaker 7: it were. But Caxton Street is the street that runs

1061
01:02:40,027 --> 01:02:43,107
Speaker 7: down from one of the main arterials down and it

1062
01:02:43,187 --> 01:02:46,027
Speaker 7: takes you to some court stadium. So there's there's four

1063
01:02:46,107 --> 01:02:48,747
Speaker 7: or five pubs along Caxton Street and that's the famous

1064
01:02:48,787 --> 01:02:52,547
Speaker 7: place where historically New South Wales team bus has gone

1065
01:02:52,587 --> 01:02:54,827
Speaker 7: past in the lead up to state of origin and

1066
01:02:54,867 --> 01:02:57,267
Speaker 7: you can imagine what kind of reception they get from

1067
01:02:57,667 --> 01:03:02,227
Speaker 7: said coinslanders outside said pubs. So yeah, it's a lively giant,

1068
01:03:02,307 --> 01:03:03,307
Speaker 7: especially when the foot design.

1069
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Speaker 2: I can imagine just before we move on, have they

1070
01:03:05,147 --> 01:03:08,787
Speaker 2: relayed that ground because it looks like a carpet compared

1071
01:03:08,787 --> 01:03:11,027
Speaker 2: to when the next played Brisbane Roar there last weekend.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, they I think from ten meter line to

1073
01:03:14,987 --> 01:03:16,867
Speaker 7: ten meda line they basically did. They didn't do the

1074
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Speaker 7: whole lot. I don't know why. Maybe they didn't have

1075
01:03:18,667 --> 01:03:21,107
Speaker 7: enough class, but there was always the plan because when

1076
01:03:21,107 --> 01:03:24,827
Speaker 7: they saw the schedule, because that that game the Reds played,

1077
01:03:24,947 --> 01:03:27,027
Speaker 7: I mean, rugby is the one, especially if there's a

1078
01:03:27,027 --> 01:03:29,027
Speaker 7: bit of weather around. Rugby union is the one which

1079
01:03:29,107 --> 01:03:31,627
Speaker 7: really choose up the turf. And there was a rugby

1080
01:03:31,747 --> 01:03:34,347
Speaker 7: league game there last Thursday between the Dogs and Bulldogs,

1081
01:03:34,387 --> 01:03:38,227
Speaker 7: so it looked a horror show by Sundays. But it

1082
01:03:38,267 --> 01:03:40,627
Speaker 7: was always their plan. They're always their intention to do that,

1083
01:03:40,947 --> 01:03:44,307
Speaker 7: to have it looking not sotimes looking great, but having

1084
01:03:44,307 --> 01:03:47,667
Speaker 7: it safe to play professional sport on because it was

1085
01:03:47,707 --> 01:03:49,067
Speaker 7: getting to diverge where it wasn't.

1086
01:03:49,227 --> 01:03:51,707
Speaker 2: Yep, it's good to see that it's been looked after.

1087
01:03:52,067 --> 01:03:54,827
Speaker 2: Just on football. Actually, the Western United Football Club one

1088
01:03:54,867 --> 01:03:57,987
Speaker 2: of the newer additions to the A League in recent years,

1089
01:03:58,027 --> 01:04:00,307
Speaker 2: based out on Wistern, Melbourne. They've got new owners. What

1090
01:04:00,307 --> 01:04:01,707
Speaker 2: do we know about them?

1091
01:04:02,227 --> 01:04:05,667
Speaker 7: Not a lot and a bit of research from some

1092
01:04:05,827 --> 01:04:09,947
Speaker 7: journals uncovers a bit of worry in that they have

1093
01:04:10,067 --> 01:04:13,467
Speaker 7: gone to take over this real estate mob out of

1094
01:04:14,547 --> 01:04:16,667
Speaker 7: out of America. They have gone to take over the

1095
01:04:16,707 --> 01:04:20,667
Speaker 7: European side or two. They've been underbidders on Everton, I

1096
01:04:20,667 --> 01:04:23,747
Speaker 7: think as well. But they went over to take a

1097
01:04:23,827 --> 01:04:26,587
Speaker 7: club over in Belgium and when it was time to pay,

1098
01:04:27,507 --> 01:04:31,267
Speaker 7: they didn't. So yeah, they even over there. They even

1099
01:04:31,267 --> 01:04:33,787
Speaker 7: did a press conference and the full release and everything

1100
01:04:33,827 --> 01:04:37,387
Speaker 7: like that. But yeah, I'm hoping they've done their due

1101
01:04:37,387 --> 01:04:40,987
Speaker 7: diligence both sides, especially the side of Western United and

1102
01:04:41,027 --> 01:04:46,187
Speaker 7: the APL because for it to turn into a disaster

1103
01:04:46,227 --> 01:04:48,467
Speaker 7: on that front would be extremely bad.

1104
01:04:49,027 --> 01:04:51,427
Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep our fingers crossed and hope for

1105
01:04:51,467 --> 01:04:54,827
Speaker 2: the best in that regard. So you've exercised your democratic

1106
01:04:54,947 --> 01:04:57,227
Speaker 2: right and avoided to find today.

1107
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Speaker 7: Have you just about to just about to say yes,

1108
01:05:01,227 --> 01:05:04,147
Speaker 7: I'm a big believer in voting, because yeah, as you said,

1109
01:05:04,147 --> 01:05:06,587
Speaker 7: democratic right, not every right in the world, as a

1110
01:05:06,627 --> 01:05:10,147
Speaker 7: democratic right to vote. So I actually like the fact

1111
01:05:10,147 --> 01:05:13,307
Speaker 7: that we are able to without anything else going on

1112
01:05:13,347 --> 01:05:15,227
Speaker 7: in the world. And I'm sure you guys are pretty

1113
01:05:15,267 --> 01:05:17,467
Speaker 7: much the same over there that you can truly walk

1114
01:05:17,467 --> 01:05:19,867
Speaker 7: into a polling verse and without any kind of fere

1115
01:05:19,947 --> 01:05:22,867
Speaker 7: of repercussions of anything else out there in society. You

1116
01:05:22,907 --> 01:05:24,627
Speaker 7: can vote and walk out and do what you want

1117
01:05:24,667 --> 01:05:26,507
Speaker 7: with that voting paper. You can draw things on it

1118
01:05:26,627 --> 01:05:28,347
Speaker 7: or take who you want to vote for.

1119
01:05:28,387 --> 01:05:31,187
Speaker 2: But as long as you vote, absolutely no, I could

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Speaker 2: not agree more. We'll enjoy that. Enjoy but to golf

1121
01:05:33,307 --> 01:05:35,987
Speaker 2: this afternoon and will chat again about the same time

1122
01:05:35,987 --> 01:05:36,587
Speaker 2: next Saturday.

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Speaker 6: Sound good, Piney, have a good week.

1124
01:05:38,627 --> 01:05:40,347
Speaker 2: You have a good week to Adam. Adam Peacock, our

1125
01:05:40,387 --> 01:05:44,067
Speaker 2: Australian correspondent on Saturdays seven to two News Talks EB.

1126
01:05:44,787 --> 01:05:47,067
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

1127
01:05:47,227 --> 01:05:51,787
Speaker 1: On eight ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hyne News

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01:05:51,827 --> 01:05:53,427
Speaker 1: TALKSB so I'm.

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01:05:53,307 --> 01:05:55,747
Speaker 2: A flying four to two after two. One of the

1130
01:05:55,787 --> 01:05:58,867
Speaker 2: greatest rugby league players in the history of the game,

1131
01:05:58,947 --> 01:06:02,747
Speaker 2: Jonathan Thurston, is on the show. His former team, or

1132
01:06:02,787 --> 01:06:04,987
Speaker 2: one of them, the North Queensland Cowboys up against the

1133
01:06:04,987 --> 01:06:07,667
Speaker 2: Warriors tonight as part of Madde Round seven point thirty.

1134
01:06:08,067 --> 01:06:10,427
Speaker 2: That game kicks off at sun Corpse Stadium. Are they

1135
01:06:10,467 --> 01:06:14,027
Speaker 2: taking notice of the warriors good start to the season

1136
01:06:14,147 --> 01:06:17,067
Speaker 2: on that side of the Tasman Jonathan Thurston after two

1137
01:06:17,107 --> 01:06:19,867
Speaker 2: o'clock and Corey Jane out of the Hurricanes as they

1138
01:06:19,867 --> 01:06:21,667
Speaker 2: look to face the Chiefs tonight at seven.

1139
01:06:27,227 --> 01:06:30,947
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason

1140
01:06:31,027 --> 01:06:35,467
Speaker 1: Hine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

1141
01:06:35,227 --> 01:06:38,987
Speaker 2: Talk coming up twenty six to three. Super Rugby Round

1142
01:06:38,987 --> 01:06:42,347
Speaker 2: twelve continues tonight five past seven Sky Stadium. The Hurricanes

1143
01:06:42,467 --> 01:06:44,187
Speaker 2: structure rupture the hearken.

1144
01:06:44,627 --> 01:06:47,587
Speaker 12: They draw all the Brumbies defence across.

1145
01:06:47,227 --> 01:06:48,387
Speaker 2: To the right.

1146
01:06:48,227 --> 01:06:51,947
Speaker 5: Wing side and he comes the hollow shut the gate.

1147
01:06:52,027 --> 01:06:55,587
Speaker 2: The big boys bolted try against the Chiefs.

1148
01:06:55,787 --> 01:06:59,107
Speaker 3: Har Boy gets the head going he's taken centimeters short

1149
01:06:59,107 --> 01:07:01,547
Speaker 3: of the line. Not a wa fancies himself at a

1150
01:07:01,627 --> 01:07:05,187
Speaker 3: half backs of teeny other back Tacum Daniel run under.

1151
01:07:04,947 --> 01:07:08,187
Speaker 2: The sixth Hurricanes and coach Corey Jane is with us CJ.

1152
01:07:08,307 --> 01:07:10,587
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, nice and fine today in Wellington.

1153
01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:13,827
Speaker 2: But the week's been pretty wild weather wise. Did that

1154
01:07:13,907 --> 01:07:15,867
Speaker 2: affect your prep week at all?

1155
01:07:17,947 --> 01:07:21,587
Speaker 15: Well, we have the green room at.

1156
01:07:20,427 --> 01:07:24,547
Speaker 6: Our training facility which is as a luxury. We did get.

1157
01:07:24,427 --> 01:07:28,587
Speaker 15: Outside on the Thursday and training the wet weather and

1158
01:07:29,427 --> 01:07:33,107
Speaker 15: you know, obviously you have to tighten up and it

1159
01:07:33,147 --> 01:07:35,147
Speaker 15: was windy and that, so you know, things don't go

1160
01:07:35,187 --> 01:07:38,947
Speaker 15: perfectly how you planned, but we planned that well. We

1161
01:07:38,947 --> 01:07:41,267
Speaker 15: were hoping that Saturday would be better, so we got

1162
01:07:41,307 --> 01:07:44,907
Speaker 15: out there and stuck at it. Anyway, So now the

1163
01:07:44,947 --> 01:07:47,107
Speaker 15: boys are the boys have been on this week has

1164
01:07:47,107 --> 01:07:49,827
Speaker 15: been a great week, So big game for us.

1165
01:07:50,027 --> 01:07:51,827
Speaker 2: You're coming off the back of the one over the Brumby's,

1166
01:07:51,867 --> 01:07:54,507
Speaker 2: first time you've beaten them in Canberra since twenty seventeen.

1167
01:07:54,827 --> 01:07:58,027
Speaker 2: What was the most pleasing feature or features of that

1168
01:07:58,067 --> 01:08:02,227
Speaker 2: when last weekend As far as the coaches, we're concerned, Ah.

1169
01:08:01,947 --> 01:08:05,027
Speaker 15: Well, good mindset from the men. You know, we really

1170
01:08:05,307 --> 01:08:09,907
Speaker 15: embraced the handsac week. You know Whopper had been over

1171
01:08:09,947 --> 01:08:12,707
Speaker 15: Glipoli and that in those ways, and he started telling

1172
01:08:12,707 --> 01:08:15,547
Speaker 15: some stories and you know, the boys just trying to

1173
01:08:16,467 --> 01:08:20,107
Speaker 15: understand what what they've done for for Australia New Zealand

1174
01:08:20,187 --> 01:08:23,067
Speaker 15: and so we kind of tapped into that mentality a

1175
01:08:23,107 --> 01:08:25,827
Speaker 15: little bit and then just simple things that we had

1176
01:08:25,867 --> 01:08:28,907
Speaker 15: trained during the week went out there and and did it.

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01:08:30,627 --> 01:08:32,867
Speaker 15: And it looked like even though when things didn't go

1178
01:08:32,947 --> 01:08:36,867
Speaker 15: our way, we had a calmness about us, which we

1179
01:08:36,947 --> 01:08:42,307
Speaker 15: probably haven't had too much this year. It's always been chaos, chaos, chaos,

1180
01:08:42,347 --> 01:08:44,907
Speaker 15: and so even if as things were a little bit

1181
01:08:45,467 --> 01:08:49,227
Speaker 15: offbeat against the Brumbies, we kind of we had people

1182
01:08:49,547 --> 01:08:51,867
Speaker 15: where they're supposed to be and could fix it. So

1183
01:08:51,867 --> 01:08:53,067
Speaker 15: it was that was quite pleasing.

1184
01:08:53,547 --> 01:08:55,667
Speaker 2: How big a boast has the return of Bully Propter

1185
01:08:55,747 --> 01:08:56,187
Speaker 2: been for you?

1186
01:08:57,547 --> 01:09:01,427
Speaker 15: He's a good player. He is, he's he's he's a

1187
01:09:01,507 --> 01:09:04,547
Speaker 15: nice player to have on the field. He just understands

1188
01:09:04,547 --> 01:09:07,867
Speaker 15: the game. And I've coached him a few years now

1189
01:09:07,907 --> 01:09:12,987
Speaker 15: with with Wellington and the Hurricanes, and his understanding for

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01:09:13,907 --> 01:09:17,187
Speaker 15: rugby both sides of the ball. You know, when you've

1191
01:09:17,187 --> 01:09:20,787
Speaker 15: played for so long stupid rugby and that starts slowing

1192
01:09:20,827 --> 01:09:23,187
Speaker 15: down for you, and then once it starts slowing down

1193
01:09:23,227 --> 01:09:26,427
Speaker 15: for you can make some good decisions. And it's just

1194
01:09:26,587 --> 01:09:29,067
Speaker 15: it's doing that for him, but just the confidence that

1195
01:09:29,067 --> 01:09:32,867
Speaker 15: he brings guys around the paddick as well. He's his

1196
01:09:33,027 --> 01:09:37,147
Speaker 15: voice in the team in huddles. He can be stirring

1197
01:09:37,187 --> 01:09:39,947
Speaker 15: when he needs to give solutions. But also you know

1198
01:09:39,987 --> 01:09:42,427
Speaker 15: guys like Rubes who's just jumping into ten for us.

1199
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Speaker 15: You've got that a little bit of calm, a little

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01:09:45,147 --> 01:09:49,667
Speaker 15: bit wider to help see things for them and make decisions.

1201
01:09:49,667 --> 01:09:52,267
Speaker 6: So you know, he had he had a good game.

1202
01:09:52,707 --> 01:09:55,347
Speaker 2: How do you reckon Ruben Lover is going first five?

1203
01:09:56,227 --> 01:09:57,067
Speaker 6: He don't mind it.

1204
01:09:57,907 --> 01:10:01,707
Speaker 15: Yeah, he's obviously a live wire, and you know he

1205
01:10:01,747 --> 01:10:03,707
Speaker 15: wants the ball in his hands and he wants to

1206
01:10:03,747 --> 01:10:08,187
Speaker 15: create stuff and his ability to play, but also not

1207
01:10:08,307 --> 01:10:09,947
Speaker 15: have to do it all himself, you know, make the

1208
01:10:09,987 --> 01:10:14,147
Speaker 15: right decision, look for space. And he really is trying

1209
01:10:14,187 --> 01:10:16,467
Speaker 15: to learn from when he jumped in against the force

1210
01:10:16,507 --> 01:10:20,347
Speaker 15: and potentially taking off, you know, from a structure a

1211
01:10:20,347 --> 01:10:24,107
Speaker 15: little bit sometimes too early. He learned that and during

1212
01:10:24,147 --> 01:10:26,027
Speaker 15: the week and trained it and then got back into

1213
01:10:26,427 --> 01:10:28,827
Speaker 15: position a lot as a first five to run the team.

1214
01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:35,027
Speaker 15: But I'm enjoying him being there. And again, when you've

1215
01:10:35,067 --> 01:10:38,387
Speaker 15: got a young guy that's way. He's played first five before,

1216
01:10:38,387 --> 01:10:40,347
Speaker 15: but at this level it was really trying to jump

1217
01:10:40,347 --> 01:10:43,627
Speaker 15: in there and run the ship. You still need a

1218
01:10:43,627 --> 01:10:47,307
Speaker 15: good understanding for offense around the whole everyone and the

1219
01:10:47,307 --> 01:10:49,427
Speaker 15: team and making it simple so you can make the

1220
01:10:49,467 --> 01:10:53,267
Speaker 15: right decisions, you can see the right cues. And yeah,

1221
01:10:53,267 --> 01:10:55,987
Speaker 15: I thought he was great in the against the Bumbies.

1222
01:10:56,027 --> 01:10:57,867
Speaker 15: So another opportunity this week.

1223
01:10:57,947 --> 01:11:00,987
Speaker 2: Let's look at the Chiefs competition's top point scorers, top

1224
01:11:01,027 --> 01:11:03,427
Speaker 2: of the top of the table. I know you have

1225
01:11:03,467 --> 01:11:06,667
Speaker 2: a defensive brief within the Hurricanes coaching staff. Where do

1226
01:11:06,667 --> 01:11:08,507
Speaker 2: you place your defensive focus tonight?

1227
01:11:09,827 --> 01:11:13,867
Speaker 15: Oh, you've got to go everywhere. The physical their forwards,

1228
01:11:14,427 --> 01:11:15,107
Speaker 15: we'll try.

1229
01:11:14,907 --> 01:11:16,507
Speaker 6: And and messle you up.

1230
01:11:17,067 --> 01:11:19,907
Speaker 15: You know, you give them opportunities to try to beat

1231
01:11:19,907 --> 01:11:20,667
Speaker 15: your forward pack.

1232
01:11:20,547 --> 01:11:21,587
Speaker 6: Up, they're going to try and do it.

1233
01:11:21,627 --> 01:11:24,907
Speaker 15: So there's a good opportunity that they're going to come

1234
01:11:24,907 --> 01:11:29,107
Speaker 15: for us physically in that area. Backs are unbelievable. If

1235
01:11:29,107 --> 01:11:31,867
Speaker 15: you give them time and space, they'll they'll hurt you.

1236
01:11:31,907 --> 01:11:34,507
Speaker 15: But they've also got what compliments there. Their attack is

1237
01:11:34,547 --> 01:11:37,747
Speaker 15: their unbelievable kicking game. You know, everyone in that back

1238
01:11:37,747 --> 01:11:41,387
Speaker 15: line can kick a ball long, can put you under

1239
01:11:41,387 --> 01:11:45,387
Speaker 15: pressure behind your defensive line, and when they don't get.

1240
01:11:45,267 --> 01:11:47,307
Speaker 6: The pitches they want, they go to their kicks.

1241
01:11:47,387 --> 01:11:49,307
Speaker 15: So yeah, we've got to be We're going to be

1242
01:11:49,387 --> 01:11:54,667
Speaker 15: on defensively enough physicality and and when they do kick,

1243
01:11:55,987 --> 01:11:57,547
Speaker 15: you know, we've just got to be smart and take

1244
01:11:57,587 --> 01:12:00,627
Speaker 15: those balls and not let them pressure us that way too.

1245
01:12:01,107 --> 01:12:02,667
Speaker 2: So they've gone six to two on their bench. I'm

1246
01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:04,027
Speaker 2: sure you've picked up on that. They've done that a

1247
01:12:04,027 --> 01:12:06,187
Speaker 2: few times this season. Hurricanes have always stuck to five.

1248
01:12:06,987 --> 01:12:09,787
Speaker 2: Has there ever been discussion or you know a serious

1249
01:12:10,147 --> 01:12:13,307
Speaker 2: look at going six to two on your bench every week?

1250
01:12:14,507 --> 01:12:18,387
Speaker 15: Jimmy Mackintosh and Britain they'd rather go an et nil

1251
01:12:18,707 --> 01:12:20,347
Speaker 15: and just have all foards on that bench.

1252
01:12:20,387 --> 01:12:22,147
Speaker 6: So there's discussions all the time.

1253
01:12:23,347 --> 01:12:26,907
Speaker 15: Yeah, the chief ones, you know, are they trying to

1254
01:12:27,147 --> 01:12:28,547
Speaker 15: you know, mustle up with the forwards that did they

1255
01:12:28,547 --> 01:12:31,627
Speaker 15: have any backs left with a few injuries.

1256
01:12:31,187 --> 01:12:31,347
Speaker 14: So.

1257
01:12:33,267 --> 01:12:34,147
Speaker 6: Yeah, interesting one.

1258
01:12:34,187 --> 01:12:36,547
Speaker 15: But no, we definitely talk about it a lot of

1259
01:12:36,667 --> 01:12:40,027
Speaker 15: just trying to find coverage on that bench and who

1260
01:12:40,027 --> 01:12:41,667
Speaker 15: can go where and we that kind of stuff that.

1261
01:12:43,387 --> 01:12:46,347
Speaker 6: You know, you talk about as a team. But you

1262
01:12:46,507 --> 01:12:47,947
Speaker 6: know they wanted every week.

1263
01:12:48,267 --> 01:12:50,067
Speaker 2: The last time the Chiefs played in Wellington the course

1264
01:12:50,107 --> 01:12:52,667
Speaker 2: the semi final last year. Has that been talked about

1265
01:12:52,667 --> 01:12:54,747
Speaker 2: it all? C J is motivation for tonight.

1266
01:12:57,307 --> 01:13:00,387
Speaker 6: Some of the guys that played on it have just

1267
01:13:00,427 --> 01:13:02,027
Speaker 6: had little little chats about it.

1268
01:13:02,067 --> 01:13:04,907
Speaker 15: But again it's a new year and you know there's

1269
01:13:04,907 --> 01:13:07,507
Speaker 15: some guys that weren't even involved in in it, so

1270
01:13:09,147 --> 01:13:12,347
Speaker 15: you know, we probably had our worst first five minutes

1271
01:13:12,387 --> 01:13:16,267
Speaker 15: of a of a semi final against them, and they

1272
01:13:16,307 --> 01:13:18,387
Speaker 15: really put us to the sword. So you know, a

1273
01:13:18,427 --> 01:13:23,067
Speaker 15: couple of guys that have they still feel it, you know,

1274
01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:25,707
Speaker 15: don't want it to happen again, but they've got an

1275
01:13:25,707 --> 01:13:26,587
Speaker 15: opportunity to go out there and.

1276
01:13:26,587 --> 01:13:28,987
Speaker 6: Not let it happen again. So it's yeah, it's gonna

1277
01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:29,547
Speaker 6: be a good one.

1278
01:13:29,987 --> 01:13:32,027
Speaker 2: Just one more player. I'll ask you about Kenny Nahlo.

1279
01:13:32,387 --> 01:13:33,547
Speaker 2: You reckon he could be an all Black?

1280
01:13:34,387 --> 01:13:36,787
Speaker 6: I reckon he can be an all Black Piney. Yes,

1281
01:13:37,387 --> 01:13:40,787
Speaker 6: he's he's so dynamic and and.

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01:13:40,787 --> 01:13:43,467
Speaker 15: He's unbelievable with the ball in hand. You give him

1283
01:13:43,507 --> 01:13:46,907
Speaker 15: a little bit of room just his strength as fend.

1284
01:13:48,467 --> 01:13:51,947
Speaker 15: You know, I'm biased here, but probably the best the

1285
01:13:52,067 --> 01:13:55,347
Speaker 15: pensive winger in New Zealand at the moment, just by

1286
01:13:55,827 --> 01:13:57,507
Speaker 15: spots he can get to and then when he makes

1287
01:13:57,507 --> 01:13:58,467
Speaker 15: a tackle, he's great.

1288
01:13:58,267 --> 01:13:58,827
Speaker 6: Over the ball.

1289
01:14:00,307 --> 01:14:01,867
Speaker 15: You know, had a little bit of a down period

1290
01:14:02,627 --> 01:14:04,467
Speaker 15: for the last couple of weeks and up until the

1291
01:14:04,467 --> 01:14:07,627
Speaker 15: Brumbies where he probably will the news in his energy

1292
01:14:07,627 --> 01:14:09,227
Speaker 15: and efforts as well as he had been.

1293
01:14:10,627 --> 01:14:13,027
Speaker 6: He came in and was unbelievable against the four.

1294
01:14:13,147 --> 01:14:16,907
Speaker 15: So but he got engine and then you know Ken,

1295
01:14:17,027 --> 01:14:19,027
Speaker 15: he came back against the Brumbies in and just went

1296
01:14:19,067 --> 01:14:22,867
Speaker 15: out there and played awesome and potentially were the big

1297
01:14:22,907 --> 01:14:23,947
Speaker 15: reason why we won the game.

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01:14:24,067 --> 01:14:26,867
Speaker 6: So he's got an awesome opportunity.

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01:14:26,347 --> 01:14:29,347
Speaker 15: This week to go and and do the same against

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01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:30,267
Speaker 15: a great chief.

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01:14:30,147 --> 01:14:33,307
Speaker 2: Thing the game coming tonight. CJ all the best, mate,

1302
01:14:33,307 --> 01:14:36,507
Speaker 2: Thanks for the chat as always that awesome Matt. Thank you, No,

1303
01:14:36,587 --> 01:14:39,267
Speaker 2: thank you, Corey. Corey Jane, then assistant coach of the

1304
01:14:39,347 --> 01:14:42,307
Speaker 2: Hurricanes five past seven Sky started him tonight for commentary

1305
01:14:42,307 --> 01:14:45,747
Speaker 2: on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio eighteen to three. Women come back,

1306
01:14:45,787 --> 01:14:47,467
Speaker 2: We'll get you inside the Blues camp and when last

1307
01:14:47,547 --> 01:14:48,907
Speaker 2: night over the Force has got the back of the

1308
01:14:48,907 --> 01:14:52,787
Speaker 2: top six hooker Kurt Ecklund to join us right after this.

1309
01:14:53,067 --> 01:14:57,107
Speaker 1: The biggest seasons sport are on Weekend Sports with Jason

1310
01:14:57,147 --> 01:15:01,267
Speaker 1: Paine and GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

1311
01:15:01,387 --> 01:15:02,267
Speaker 1: News Sogs'd be.

1312
01:15:03,027 --> 01:15:05,867
Speaker 2: So forty five, the Blues are back and Super Rugby

1313
01:15:05,867 --> 01:15:08,427
Speaker 2: playoff tension and.

1314
01:15:08,347 --> 01:15:11,467
Speaker 3: The Blues get the bonus point and they're in the

1315
01:15:11,547 --> 01:15:15,387
Speaker 3: top six playoff spots for maybe only twenty four hours.

1316
01:15:15,667 --> 01:15:17,707
Speaker 3: They win at forty nineteen.

1317
01:15:17,507 --> 01:15:19,947
Speaker 2: Over the Force last night at Eden Park Blues hooker

1318
01:15:20,027 --> 01:15:22,307
Speaker 2: Kurt Eckland as with us Kirk, Thanks for your time.

1319
01:15:22,307 --> 01:15:25,147
Speaker 2: How are the overall levels of satisfaction after that win

1320
01:15:25,267 --> 01:15:25,747
Speaker 2: last night?

1321
01:15:27,267 --> 01:15:29,667
Speaker 14: Yeah, mate, Mu's been saying we've been working towards for

1322
01:15:29,707 --> 01:15:32,307
Speaker 14: a while, and I think satisfaction, a bit of release

1323
01:15:32,627 --> 01:15:34,627
Speaker 14: and you know, I think you know, a little bit

1324
01:15:34,627 --> 01:15:36,027
Speaker 14: of confidence to get out of that one as well.

1325
01:15:36,667 --> 01:15:40,187
Speaker 2: How needed was this win given the season that you've had.

1326
01:15:41,587 --> 01:15:44,267
Speaker 14: Yeah, big time, man, especially the position we've put ourselves in,

1327
01:15:44,907 --> 01:15:46,467
Speaker 14: Like if we had to drop that game, you know,

1328
01:15:46,667 --> 01:15:48,307
Speaker 14: Like I'm not sure what it would have been like

1329
01:15:48,787 --> 01:15:51,267
Speaker 14: trying to make them top six. But you know, I

1330
01:15:51,267 --> 01:15:54,067
Speaker 14: think we're back in contention now and as long as

1331
01:15:54,107 --> 01:15:57,587
Speaker 14: we've win every game running into the playoffs and hopefully

1332
01:15:57,627 --> 01:15:59,067
Speaker 14: we'll find ourselves playing in them.

1333
01:15:59,107 --> 01:15:59,627
Speaker 15: I suppose.

1334
01:16:00,547 --> 01:16:02,587
Speaker 2: Why do you think have you been able to put

1335
01:16:02,587 --> 01:16:05,147
Speaker 2: your finger on why the season has been such an

1336
01:16:05,147 --> 01:16:06,747
Speaker 2: inconsistent one for you?

1337
01:16:08,307 --> 01:16:10,067
Speaker 14: I think getting madded on the head there, it's just

1338
01:16:10,067 --> 01:16:13,267
Speaker 14: the inconsistencies. Like you know, we've had a few games

1339
01:16:13,307 --> 01:16:15,507
Speaker 14: where we thought we've played a ride and we've been

1340
01:16:15,587 --> 01:16:18,667
Speaker 14: unfortunate to miss out by a couple of points, and

1341
01:16:18,747 --> 01:16:21,507
Speaker 14: then there's been other games that we haven't, you know,

1342
01:16:21,627 --> 01:16:23,707
Speaker 14: just turned up and played at all. So I think

1343
01:16:23,707 --> 01:16:26,227
Speaker 14: the inconsistency of the season is probably a big thing.

1344
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:29,467
Speaker 14: And you know, hopefully if we can build a few

1345
01:16:29,707 --> 01:16:32,187
Speaker 14: consistent performances in the next few weeks and things will

1346
01:16:32,187 --> 01:16:32,907
Speaker 14: start tender.

1347
01:16:32,827 --> 01:16:34,547
Speaker 6: Up or up for us.

1348
01:16:35,307 --> 01:16:39,027
Speaker 2: Are you employing a fairly similar game plan to the

1349
01:16:39,067 --> 01:16:41,227
Speaker 2: one that was so successful for you last season.

1350
01:16:43,147 --> 01:16:44,987
Speaker 14: I think we've tried like a few little bits and

1351
01:16:45,027 --> 01:16:47,987
Speaker 14: bobs and some variations throughout the season, and I think,

1352
01:16:48,307 --> 01:16:50,587
Speaker 14: you know, it's the old cliches, mate, back to basics,

1353
01:16:50,627 --> 01:16:52,547
Speaker 14: and I think that's really what works for us. And

1354
01:16:53,107 --> 01:16:55,467
Speaker 14: I suppose any rugby teammate, you know, you're playing the

1355
01:16:55,507 --> 01:16:57,947
Speaker 14: right end of the field and all that sort of thing,

1356
01:16:57,947 --> 01:17:00,587
Speaker 14: and and things really start to work out for you.

1357
01:17:00,627 --> 01:17:03,267
Speaker 14: So I think that's been a big focus for us,

1358
01:17:03,907 --> 01:17:06,747
Speaker 14: but we still need to nail little little it's along

1359
01:17:06,747 --> 01:17:08,827
Speaker 14: the way as well. So yeah, just like you said,

1360
01:17:08,827 --> 01:17:10,347
Speaker 14: that consistency and trying to find.

1361
01:17:10,187 --> 01:17:13,347
Speaker 2: That twelve seven Are you lead at a half time

1362
01:17:13,547 --> 01:17:17,067
Speaker 2: last night, so fairly narrow halftime margin. Did something change

1363
01:17:17,347 --> 01:17:19,027
Speaker 2: in the second half that allowed you to kind of

1364
01:17:19,067 --> 01:17:19,707
Speaker 2: stretch away.

1365
01:17:21,947 --> 01:17:25,707
Speaker 14: I think we just talked about a half time, you know,

1366
01:17:26,067 --> 01:17:29,347
Speaker 14: plants our potential and we leave the Force was going

1367
01:17:29,387 --> 01:17:32,227
Speaker 14: to come out and you know they've done every other game,

1368
01:17:32,267 --> 01:17:35,627
Speaker 14: you know that very competitive and their first half showed that.

1369
01:17:36,307 --> 01:17:38,347
Speaker 14: But I think we had another level to give and

1370
01:17:39,107 --> 01:17:42,267
Speaker 14: you know, like we just needed that belief and someone

1371
01:17:42,307 --> 01:17:45,187
Speaker 14: has spark something and I think as trying first up

1372
01:17:45,587 --> 01:17:48,387
Speaker 14: really helped that and then sort of got a bit

1373
01:17:48,387 --> 01:17:49,307
Speaker 14: of momentum from there.

1374
01:17:50,507 --> 01:17:52,707
Speaker 2: And you're back in the side obviously. I know we

1375
01:17:52,747 --> 01:17:54,707
Speaker 2: spoke earlier in the season. You had a pretty frustrating

1376
01:17:54,707 --> 01:17:56,627
Speaker 2: time of things, didn't your first month or so. Yeah,

1377
01:17:56,747 --> 01:17:58,547
Speaker 2: we're out for the first four games, came back and

1378
01:17:58,547 --> 01:18:00,347
Speaker 2: then missed another one. You enjoying being back on the

1379
01:18:00,347 --> 01:18:03,507
Speaker 2: side and next for getting a decent run without any injuries.

1380
01:18:03,547 --> 01:18:06,627
Speaker 6: Touch Wood, Yeah, such with me.

1381
01:18:07,427 --> 01:18:10,467
Speaker 14: You know, it makes all the training worthwhile. You know,

1382
01:18:10,547 --> 01:18:11,947
Speaker 14: that's how we do it. And to be out in

1383
01:18:11,987 --> 01:18:14,027
Speaker 14: the paddict mate, you know, that's that's the icing on

1384
01:18:14,107 --> 01:18:16,547
Speaker 14: the cakes. So yeah, we just keep winning, mate, and

1385
01:18:16,827 --> 01:18:18,107
Speaker 14: keep smiling. So that's the plan.

1386
01:18:18,187 --> 01:18:20,987
Speaker 2: Really good stuff. It's up to Souber next day. The

1387
01:18:21,067 --> 01:18:24,467
Speaker 2: drwer Thenea Pacific, our Warrts House. They all seem winnable,

1388
01:18:24,787 --> 01:18:26,667
Speaker 2: don't they. They all seem winnable those games.

1389
01:18:27,867 --> 01:18:30,147
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, you know every game is winnable, mate. But

1390
01:18:30,907 --> 01:18:33,467
Speaker 14: you know again these teams have shown that they can

1391
01:18:33,467 --> 01:18:35,627
Speaker 14: play some good footy as well, so you know, you

1392
01:18:35,707 --> 01:18:38,507
Speaker 14: can't take anyone lightly, especially going to Suva. You know,

1393
01:18:39,067 --> 01:18:41,027
Speaker 14: their home field advantage that they have over there and

1394
01:18:41,067 --> 01:18:42,467
Speaker 14: the support that they get is going to be a

1395
01:18:42,547 --> 01:18:44,907
Speaker 14: huge game for us. So one day we really need

1396
01:18:44,907 --> 01:18:48,347
Speaker 14: to you know, get on top of and yeah, just

1397
01:18:48,987 --> 01:18:50,307
Speaker 14: like I said, if we can get some back to

1398
01:18:50,347 --> 01:18:53,307
Speaker 14: back performances and their consistency back in our game, then

1399
01:18:53,307 --> 01:18:54,067
Speaker 14: we should be all right.

1400
01:18:54,547 --> 01:18:56,747
Speaker 2: Now, just before you go, what was Angus Taavar doing

1401
01:18:56,787 --> 01:18:57,867
Speaker 2: at the end trying to kick the ball?

1402
01:18:57,907 --> 01:18:58,027
Speaker 4: Now?

1403
01:18:58,107 --> 01:18:58,787
Speaker 2: What happened there?

1404
01:18:59,827 --> 01:18:59,987
Speaker 5: Oh?

1405
01:19:00,467 --> 01:19:04,067
Speaker 14: Let up front rowers down, that's for sure. You know

1406
01:19:04,147 --> 01:19:06,587
Speaker 14: you usually you usually back in the you know, kick

1407
01:19:06,627 --> 01:19:11,227
Speaker 14: a ball two meters over the touch line. But you

1408
01:19:11,307 --> 01:19:13,707
Speaker 14: know again the back of the cliches don't take you

1409
01:19:13,827 --> 01:19:17,707
Speaker 14: off the ball, mate, you know. So yeah, we'll have

1410
01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,507
Speaker 14: we'll have a big chat with our front rollers meeting

1411
01:19:20,587 --> 01:19:23,387
Speaker 14: made and yeah, really let us down there. But you know,

1412
01:19:23,467 --> 01:19:25,427
Speaker 14: it's work on for him, so hopefully he'll be better

1413
01:19:25,467 --> 01:19:27,347
Speaker 14: off if he gets his opportunity again.

1414
01:19:27,827 --> 01:19:32,547
Speaker 2: Exactly. His kicking the touch from two meters big for

1415
01:19:32,667 --> 01:19:35,667
Speaker 2: the big fuller. Well my last time, mate, you got

1416
01:19:35,707 --> 01:19:38,467
Speaker 2: you got the points. I hope it's a the start

1417
01:19:38,507 --> 01:19:40,347
Speaker 2: of a good run, a good run towards the finals. Man,

1418
01:19:40,387 --> 01:19:42,427
Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time for a chat.

1419
01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:45,507
Speaker 6: Thanks Matt, all right, thank you you too.

1420
01:19:45,627 --> 01:19:48,107
Speaker 2: Correctly, I st if you saw that at the end

1421
01:19:49,027 --> 01:19:51,587
Speaker 2: the Blues had the ball and all they had to

1422
01:19:51,587 --> 01:19:53,387
Speaker 2: do was kick it into touch from but they were

1423
01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:55,747
Speaker 2: inside their own twenty two. They're basically five meters out

1424
01:19:56,027 --> 01:19:57,867
Speaker 2: and the ball spits out their side, so you just

1425
01:19:57,907 --> 01:19:59,387
Speaker 2: got to pick up the ball and kick it into touch.

1426
01:19:59,427 --> 01:20:02,827
Speaker 2: It literally two meters away from the touch line, and

1427
01:20:02,947 --> 01:20:05,027
Speaker 2: Gus Tarvous had a bit of a He's picked it

1428
01:20:05,107 --> 01:20:07,147
Speaker 2: up and he's basically he's gone to kick it into

1429
01:20:07,187 --> 01:20:10,827
Speaker 2: touch and he's just for some unknown reason not being

1430
01:20:10,867 --> 01:20:12,587
Speaker 2: able to do it. It's kind of scuffed off his

1431
01:20:12,627 --> 01:20:16,227
Speaker 2: foot and it stayed in. And the potential I mean

1432
01:20:16,267 --> 01:20:19,547
Speaker 2: that the Blues had the game won, but they had

1433
01:20:19,547 --> 01:20:22,907
Speaker 2: the potential to lose the bonus point because they scored

1434
01:20:22,947 --> 01:20:26,747
Speaker 2: three more tries than the Force did last night, so

1435
01:20:26,747 --> 01:20:28,507
Speaker 2: they had the bonus point. Kick it into touch, you

1436
01:20:28,507 --> 01:20:30,707
Speaker 2: take the bonus point, you take the five points. Instead,

1437
01:20:30,747 --> 01:20:33,227
Speaker 2: the ball didn't go into touch, the Force got it

1438
01:20:33,307 --> 01:20:36,427
Speaker 2: and they were were on a tech. I can only

1439
01:20:36,467 --> 01:20:41,667
Speaker 2: imagine the talking to Angus Tarvo would have got had

1440
01:20:41,747 --> 01:20:44,027
Speaker 2: the Force managed to score a try and deny what

1441
01:20:44,107 --> 01:20:46,827
Speaker 2: could be a fairly important bonus point from the Blues.

1442
01:20:46,867 --> 01:20:49,627
Speaker 2: Didn't happen. Everything okay, I'm sure we'll get plenty of

1443
01:20:49,667 --> 01:20:53,507
Speaker 2: good natured ribbing from his teammates in the weak ahead.

1444
01:20:53,747 --> 01:20:57,627
Speaker 2: Speaking of Super Rugby, updating you from Suva where it's

1445
01:20:57,667 --> 01:20:59,787
Speaker 2: half time between the Fiji and Rawer and the Reds.

1446
01:21:00,067 --> 01:21:04,107
Speaker 2: The Reds with a nineteen fifteen lead at halftime as

1447
01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:07,667
Speaker 2: a Round twelve of Super Rugby Pacific continues. Back in

1448
01:21:07,707 --> 01:21:09,467
Speaker 2: a moment on Weekend Sport ninety three.

1449
01:21:10,187 --> 01:21:15,147
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

1450
01:21:15,267 --> 01:21:18,587
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Lyme, News Talk zenby.

1451
01:21:18,987 --> 01:21:21,427
Speaker 2: Six to three. Just quick look at to tomorrow's show

1452
01:21:21,467 --> 01:21:23,347
Speaker 2: before we knock it on the effort today. Kevin Malloy,

1453
01:21:23,667 --> 01:21:26,547
Speaker 2: the chair of Super Rugby Pacific, is with us after

1454
01:21:26,587 --> 01:21:30,187
Speaker 2: the Midday News tomorrow with a generic overview of how

1455
01:21:30,227 --> 01:21:33,187
Speaker 2: the season is going as far as they're concerned around

1456
01:21:33,187 --> 01:21:35,427
Speaker 2: the boardroom table, what are they seeing on the grass?

1457
01:21:35,467 --> 01:21:38,147
Speaker 2: Are they pleased and what can we look forward to

1458
01:21:38,427 --> 01:21:41,507
Speaker 2: in terms of further innovation from Super Rugby Pacific. We'll

1459
01:21:41,507 --> 01:21:43,827
Speaker 2: also cover off what is set to be a huge

1460
01:21:43,987 --> 01:21:47,227
Speaker 2: night of sport with Super Rugby, the Warriors and Magic Round.

1461
01:21:47,267 --> 01:21:49,867
Speaker 2: Auckland FC have a game as well, and lots more besides.

1462
01:21:50,227 --> 01:21:52,707
Speaker 2: We'll get you to Miami for the Formula one one

1463
01:21:52,747 --> 01:21:55,427
Speaker 2: Grand Prix featuring Liam Lawson of course, and the World

1464
01:21:55,827 --> 01:21:59,627
Speaker 2: Snooker Championships into their very final stages. We've got some

1465
01:22:00,587 --> 01:22:03,707
Speaker 2: insight there as well. Thank you for listening in this afternoon,

1466
01:22:03,747 --> 01:22:06,587
Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge, After three. Anni McDonald's being produced in the

1467
01:22:06,627 --> 01:22:10,627
Speaker 2: show with great enthusiasm and efficiency as always and therefore

1468
01:22:10,987 --> 01:22:13,307
Speaker 2: has earned the right to give us the exit song.

1469
01:22:13,587 --> 01:22:16,227
Speaker 12: Yes, Piney, it's a New Zealand Music month, of course,

1470
01:22:16,227 --> 01:22:18,347
Speaker 12: so I have to chuse a New Zealand banner. I'm

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01:22:18,387 --> 01:22:21,347
Speaker 12: gonna surprise you it's actually not Alamento p this time.

1472
01:22:22,507 --> 01:22:24,987
Speaker 12: It's obviously Dutch shooting season, so I've gone for the

1473
01:22:25,067 --> 01:22:28,387
Speaker 12: Mutton birds and for those of you getting out in nature,

1474
01:22:28,507 --> 01:22:31,587
Speaker 12: there is my tenuous links. The song is Nature by

1475
01:22:31,627 --> 01:22:32,507
Speaker 12: the Mutton Birds.

1476
01:22:33,227 --> 01:22:35,747
Speaker 2: Very good. Yes, New Zealand Music Month. We love it.

1477
01:22:35,947 --> 01:22:54,467
Speaker 16: See them are at midday.

1478
01:22:55,547 --> 01:22:57,307
Speaker 2: I've turned something.

1479
01:22:59,747 --> 01:23:00,707
Speaker 16: I save.

1480
01:23:49,547 --> 01:23:52,707
Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

1481
01:23:52,827 --> 01:23:56,107
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1482
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