1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Afternoon. The Treaty Principal's Bill has finally gone to Cabinet today. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: It is a draft. And it also happened on the 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: day that more than four hundred Christian leaders signed an 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: open letter calling on MPs to kill the bill as 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: soon as they possibly can. Acts Party leader David Seymour's 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: with us. Hey, David, Hey, Now, I understand you've made 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: a change to what we thought was going to be 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: in the billboard. 9 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Is it Well, we've always said that number one, the 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: government has the right to govern, that's in the treaty. 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: That doesn't change number two, that we all have the 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: right to self determination or tra dung or tita tonger 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: over our property and our treasures, as it was in 14 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: the English version Taiga and the Mariu version, And that 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: we've actually going to change a little bit to acknowledge 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: the acknowledgment of the rights of Hapu and Ewi at 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: the time of the treaty, because I think a lot 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: of people have been annoyed that we didn't include that. 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: My suggestion is that saying everyone has those rights actually 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: strengthens the rights of Hauppa the new Wee because it 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: generalizes them, gives everyone a stake but okay. And then 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: the final part, which everyone agrees on natiktahi everyone has 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: the same rights and duties. And I think when you 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: put those three together, it's a pretty compelling foundation for 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: a country where everybody has equal rights. 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so let me understand this Article two, which previously 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: said the New Zealand Government will honor all New Zealanders 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: in the chieftainship of their land and their property will remain. 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: But you will also add an acknowledgment of Ewe and 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: Hapu rightes in eighteen forty. 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: That's about right. I mean, bear in mind, you know, 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: all that's happened today is the government and the parties 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: have agreed to the broad outline of the bill that 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: now goes off to Parliament's drafters, who will take some 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: time to write the exact wording. 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: Now, this hasn't managed, This change hasn't managed to get 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Christopher Luxon across the line. He still wants to kill it. 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, he's taken the position for 39 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: a long time as the leader of the National Party. 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: They're not in favor of taking it any further than 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: six months of parliamentary debate. One two readings in a 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: select committee hearing. You know me, I'm forever hopeful that 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: you just never know how circumstances might change. You see 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: the exact wording, you see the people's reaction, you see 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: it's actually a force for good, and maybe you take 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: a different view, but you know, you take a better 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: word and say, well, maybe maybe things could change in 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: the future. 49 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: How coincidental is it that the leaders write this open 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: letter on the very day that this thing goes to cabinet? 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: Hard to know. And maybe they've got a little birdie 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: that's told them something, but that's just speculation. I think 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: it's more likely that it is a coincidence. Where there's 54 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five days in the year, so 55 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: take out weekends and Christmas holiday, I guess they probably 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: had about a one and two hundred chants. 57 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: What do you say to them? I mean, have they 58 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: got a point here? 59 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: No? I mean I've been pretty surprised by the whole thing. 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I thought I'd better not say that it's ironic, 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: because if those missionaries had been a bit more helpful 62 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: with the translation, we might not be in this mess. 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: In any event, I thought I'd better not say that 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: because get even more upset. But I just make the 65 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: point that Christianity at its best is the observation that 66 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: each person has made in the image of God and 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: has the same inalienable rights. I mean, that was the 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: basis for anti slavery, It's been the basis for so 69 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 2: many good movements in political history. It's really the foundation 70 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: of liberal democracy, that idea that each of us have 71 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: equal rights. That's what we're trying to promote with the 72 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: Treaty Principles Bill, not this idea that the courts have 73 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: come up with that you know, somehow there's a partnership 74 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: between races and therefore we each have a different role 75 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: to play in New Zealand based on who our ancestors were. 76 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 2: We believe everybody is equal. And I would have thought 77 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: that was closer to the true Christian teaching from the 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Book of Genesis than you know what they are expounding. 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: But hey, look the free speech and they got a 80 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: right to participate in Good on them. 81 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: David, Thank you very much appreciated. That's David Seymore, the 82 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: Act Party leader. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 84 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio