1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Thomas Cognan's with us in Parliament. Hey Thomas, god afternoon, Ryan, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. So we have a former broadcaster in the running. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: I did say earlier. Is the candidate but not yet 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,079 Speaker 1: the candidate. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: For to Party Marty's Thomackimikodo se Yeah, or any Kaipito's 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 2: formerly of news Hub. I just think she left that 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: role in twenty twenty three. She was fronting one of 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: the afternoon shows. Thinks she did the nation a bit 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: as well, so so some political experience there. The nominations 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: closed this afternoon, so you know, if if you're looking 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: to throw your head in the ring, you don't have 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 2: much time and we'll get where we're We're thinking we'll 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: get a confirmed candidate by the end of the week. 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: For Party Marti Labor has, as I understand it a 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: quite a complicated constitutional process for this. So they are 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: actually waiting for the Prime Minister to set the date 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: for the by election, and once he does that then 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: their constitutional cogs can start turning and they can start 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: selecting a candidate as well. I do think that they 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: will be running a candidate. There have been some speculation 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: that they wouldn't out of respect to the fact that 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: that the former MP Taka tash Kemp had passed away. 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: I think she's going to be really hard to beat 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, they've got to party Marty's got 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: their ground game going strong, and they're not starting from 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: a standing position. But also Aladiny i've worked very closely 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: with her for many years, is an incredibly smart, funny, 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, graceful. She's quite a stoic person, lots of money. 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Won't get down and play dirty in the sampit or 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: get riled by Winston when he yaels out across the house. 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: That's not her EMO. So they should be very different 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: to Party Mardi MP. 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: I think yeah, And I mean I haven't worked and 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: I can't say claim to know her particularly well, but 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: I do think as well. You know that the electorate 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: obviously the race was lost last time Penny here and 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: they lost it by four two votes. Obviously, so Labor, 38 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: you know, if you're looking at the numbers, you'd have 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: to say, well, Labor is within striking distance of taking 40 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: it back. But when you think about it, you know, 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, all the things that have happened since 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, you've had the toytoo, tutidity movement, the 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: whole Tree Principal's Bill, controversy come up and to party 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: Marori has been prosecuting that day after day, week after week. 45 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: They've really attached themselves to this, you know, every issue 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: that is popping up in Maori, in the Maori world, 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: they've attached themselves too. So I think that the context 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: of this race is completely different to the context of 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. But you know, could be wrong. These 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: these electric races go a number of different ways. 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. Hey, this Select Committee for what Seymour's Bill, 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: the Regulatory Standards Bill, has begun. What are we hearing 53 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: so far? 54 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it has been pretty negative today. So and 55 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: most of the written submissions were negative too. We had 56 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: Jeffrey part of the former Prime Minister and today an 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: interesting submission from him. He made the point that it 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: is a very the sort of the work to actually 59 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: implement this bill. I think he had the number eleven 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: hundred statutes that that that are an application in New 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Zealand and the idea of of of of regulating the 62 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: regulation when there is so much regulation is an enormous 63 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: amount of work, a terrific amount of extra work. Is 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: that is what he sort of said, because there's just 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: there's just so much. And the other sort of thing 66 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: I guess is that it is interesting to see that 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: a lot of the opposition to the bill that there 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: is the sense that some of it is fighting a 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: straw man. I mean, David Seymour was getting quite angry 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: calling his his well, perhaps not angry, but his Regulatory 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: Standards Bill derangement syndrome. There is the sort of sense 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: that some of the criticism is that this is a 73 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: somewhat constitutional piece of legislation that has quite a powerful 74 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: application that almost would be like a Supreme Court in 75 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: the United States, that it could strike down the will 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: of a government if it wish to. There has been 77 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: that kind of floating around the bill, that allegation, which 78 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: is incorrect. It doesn't actually have that power, which of 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: course begs the question what is the point of this bill? 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: And that is sort of one of the criticisms being 81 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: made by Labour's duncan Web that it actually isn't as 82 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: powerful as some of its critics think it to be. 83 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: But that, of course the question is why bother. 84 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. On the one 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: hand you got people saying this will be the end 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: of the world, and the other people saying it will 87 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: have no effect on the world whatsoever. So who do 88 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: we believe? Thank you very much for that. That is 89 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan and New Zealand Herald Political editor, with us 90 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: from Willington. 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplicy Allen Drive. 92 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 93 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.