1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: On the hedd tonight Clear to Lord, journalist is with 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: us at the desk. Clear, good evening, good evening, run 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: good to see you as always. And Saint Zo's with us, 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster in Wellington. Saint Zo come in, good evening, 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: how are you. 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, good Bud, fantastic news about Luca. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Ah, so cool, so. 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: Good, such a good story. 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: Yep, you know, and you know because we've obviously been 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: as journalists. Well actually the three of us probably over 13 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: the years have have covered stories like this and what 14 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: can we fund and what can't we fund? But to 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: actually hear that your child will you know, will have 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: a wedding, will be all of these things life events 17 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: that will be able to happen, Mark. 18 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and giving them the best chance. 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 4: And they can actually date somebody, go out with someone 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 4: who they don't have to say ahead of time, don't 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: get too serious about me, or keep it to themselves 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 4: that they have a very limited life expectancy or risk 23 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 4: that they are going to be dumped. I interviewed somebody 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 4: with cystic vibrosis a few years ago, and it was 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: a very sad story of never being able to have 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 4: an ongoing serious relationship because of the limited life expectancy 27 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: and the heartbreak that would be involved on two sides. 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, that's fantastically life changing. 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Very cool, very cool. Now let's go to Trump in Greenland. 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: Not so cool, although he's Pikelandiland sorry forgive me, give me, Mark. 31 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: It's interesting because the you know, this time last year 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: when he did all the threats and the markets went tanked, 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: you know, twenty percent whatever, it went crazy. This time, 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: we're a little more wise to it now, aren't we. 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: And we know there's going to be some sort of 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: back down Saino. 37 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, the old Tago effect, isn't it. I mean, I 38 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: just I've just saying it clear. In fact, I was 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: talking earlier on today. We're just saying, well, we look 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: back and you know, sort of fifteen years time, if 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: we still walking the planet and go, look, you won't 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: believe this maniac there. It's every day. It's just incomprehensible. 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: I think it'll be quite well. I mean, I hope 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: we're around in fifteen years. Mark, for that really poignant conversation. 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 4: But I do think that make Carney hit the nail 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 4: on the head when he said, you know, nostalgia is 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: not a strategy, and in fact, you know so much 48 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 4: as being reset with Trump. He's the most consequential politician 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 4: for a century in that sense, because for example, every 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: year people gather at the United Nations in September, occasionally 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 4: the Security Council meets. What does that mean anymore when 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: one of the members leading members of this, well, he's 53 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: a permanent member of the of the Security Council. And also, 54 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: you know, one of the founding members of the United 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: Nations and the leading partner in NATO, founding part of it. 56 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: When when the President of the United States declares that 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 4: it's only his own morality that he answers to act 58 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: mean for international order? 59 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: But what did the UN mean anyway when you got 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: Russia and China and you got the veto. I mean, 61 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: the whole thing's a joke. 62 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it. Oh well, I mean certainly the 63 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 4: need to reform it. But over the years, in the 64 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 4: years gone by, the ones that Mike Canty quite right, 65 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: this is we can't just recreate the effectiveness of it. 66 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: Has been effective in some situations. I mean when you 67 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 4: look at peacekeeping forces around the world that have kept 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 4: the peace and still are keeping the peace. But I 69 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: get your point. You know, we are having to look forward, 70 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: not back. 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: And in some ways Mark is you know, because a 72 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: lot of people say, look, everything he's doing is bad. 73 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: But the outcomes in some ways have been good. Europe, 74 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: for example, stepping up and finally paying its own way 75 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: on defense, which they're starting to do. I mean that 76 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 2: is a good thing. 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: They do have a bit to answer for on that 78 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: because they have been happy to step back and let 79 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: let the US sort of do those sort of the 80 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: heavy spin. But they're not out of the woods yet. 81 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: I mean, he's saying they've got this this, this, this 82 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: deal after you know, he was desperate to negotiate with 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: Mark Ruter. Of course, creakleously calls him daddy. 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a weird bit. 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: Weird, huh, weird, but weird, and Trump loves it. Trump 86 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: loves but they're already. 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: That makes that makes But but you know, senior people 88 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: in the Danish Parliament are saying, helo. 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: Minute, you know this deal. You know, there's no mandate 90 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: to negotiate anything without us. 91 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: But don't you think, don't you think it's probably going 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 4: to come down to Mark Rutter and others repackaging what 93 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: effectively exists now and presenting it to Trump as if 94 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: it's a new thing that acknowledges his concerns, that capitulates 95 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 4: to him in ways that flatter him. So, for example, 96 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: embassy's are sovereign territory. So you know, the American embassy 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: and Wellington, it's their sovereign territory. We can't send people 98 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: in there, we can't send the police. And example, so 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 4: the bases that they have there already and that they 100 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: can expand whenever they want, apparently under the existing agreement, 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: or they'll call them sovereign US territory presumably not just 102 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: bass and they'll say that that's your you know, your 103 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: inviolable territory. 104 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: And you're getting on paper. Win. 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, give them on paper win. Repackage it carefully. 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: Hey, we'll be back in just a second. Clear hold 107 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: that thought, Mark, Mark Sainsbury, and clear the law on 108 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: the huddle. 109 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only 110 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: truly global brand twelve. 111 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: To six news talks will be clear to law in 112 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: Mark Sainsbury on the huddle tonight, Sainso Winston's surging in 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: this taxpayer's union carrier pole twelve percent for close to 114 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: twelve percent for New Zealand for massive do we do 115 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: you think we just give them the PM? Just let 116 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: him b PM once, you know, before his time in 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: politics is just give it to him this year? 118 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: Well, what was that Danish series that they had there 119 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: where they the minority leader held out be prime Minister. 120 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: I think it might be Norwegian. It was, it was, 121 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: it was, it was really they just had them over 122 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 3: a barrel. And look, it's just looking fascinating, isn't it. 123 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: Because you've got you know, the late election. Obviously you 124 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: want the extor's latest possible because I've got to bang 125 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 3: everything on an economic recovery. They've got to st of 126 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: see that happens. So you can understand giving them the 127 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: longest time. But you're also just getting back into this 128 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: these periods of people are just getting sick of the 129 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: major parties that you know, people aren't necessary happy with 130 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: the National Coalition. Luxon just hasn't worked for a lot 131 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: of people. That doesn't mean he's going to go, but 132 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: he just he's not a popular leader, and then people 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: are stored but over labor, and then you've got the 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: Hickens problem. It's just going to be a fascinating year. Yeah, 135 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: I think you're right, right. Let him just be Prime 136 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: Minister for. 137 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: The next year. He's earned it, is it? Occupied? I think? 138 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: Is that the one you were thinking of? The Norwegian 139 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: political TV show? 140 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: Oh know? Yeah? No, that was the one in the 141 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: Russians invaded. This was a borgan I think it was called. 142 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: The Woman Woman in the Party. 143 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: Here's the key vote and they said, right, you want 144 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: to support on Prime Minister. 145 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: That's right. They're all quite good. And they're all on 146 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: Netflix too anyway. 147 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 4: You know, sort of almost like a reality TV show. 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: Yes, almost. 149 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 3: Have you watched brock Buyer? 150 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: No, Oh my gosh, I love it? 151 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: Oh really? 152 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: Which where's that on Netflix? 153 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: On Netflix? Children do not watch You don't watch it 154 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: with any kids? 155 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good? All right? 156 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: Winston Peter's clear, Well, I think the poles will bounce 157 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: around a bit, so I wouldn't really just hang you 158 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: hat entirely just on this one. As everyone says, it's 159 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 4: the trend that matters, which will be the most boring 160 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: oft repeated statement you're hear from anyone commenting on the poles, 161 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 4: which is a very very foolish thing to be doing 162 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: most of the time, and you know people at the moment. 163 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: I think Mark's right in the sense that people, you know, 164 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: neither of neither christ nor Christopher set people on fire, 165 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 4: despite their efforts. In the women's weeklies, for example, you'll 166 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: notice that Winston doesn't do that. You don't get at 167 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 4: home with Winston Peters. 168 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: No, he doesn't do that person. 169 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: No, despite not doing that sort of mushy thing, he 170 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: manages pretty well to maintain where. 171 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: He is his respect. 172 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 2: Did not like to necessarily. 173 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: A yeah, probably, although you know when people meet him, 174 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: they seem to like him. So I do think that 175 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: this could be his year for you know, it might 176 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 4: be his final election. Who knows that. You can never 177 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: say never with Winston. But I think people who are 178 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: sort of a bit fed up early in the piece, 179 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: they're probably going to say, well, I might give Winston 180 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 4: Peters go, I might give New Zealand first go. Doesn't 181 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: mean they'll vote that way because they're not committed to 182 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: doing that, but it's a feeling. It's a moment in 183 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: time now that's how people feel. So the challenges obviously 184 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,359 Speaker 4: on the right for Chris Luxon and Coe to persuade 185 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: us that make us feel and make real this economic recovery. 186 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 3: Absolutely, he very quickly they said on the castle, it's 187 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: all about the vibe. 188 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: That is about the vibe. Very quickly before we go 189 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: way mo in America is self driving taxis. They are 190 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: taking off and are now becoming apparently quite more aggressive 191 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: on the road. They were quite slow and courteous to 192 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: start with, but are now sort of behaving more like us. 193 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: Would you guys get in one, Mark. 194 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, I mean once you've got I don't know, 195 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the first one, but it's 196 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: a and I know why, for instance, can't wait six 197 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: it's a fantastic I've got friends like a dear friends 198 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: Mary and Ahune doesn't drive. These things would change people's lives. Yeah, 199 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: but we're going to come you know that, sooner or later. 200 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: But we've got to make sure that it actually it's 201 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: a bit like you know, we're talking about old diamond 202 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: before you know that. They've got to manage the technology 203 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: and make sure it's it's it's well, it's safety is 204 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: the first thing, of course, but I love the idea. 205 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 4: I'd barely get in the car with you, Mark, with 206 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: the way you drive, so I don't know if I'm 207 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: going to go away mo. 208 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: I like. 209 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: The only thing I worry about is not the cars, 210 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: it's actually our roads, you know. That's one thing, to 211 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: head them on the freeway in the you with good 212 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: to see you both, Mark Sainsbury and Clear Delor on 213 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: the Huddle tonight. 214 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 215 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 216 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio