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Speaker 1: Praise the Lord. At last a government that has the

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Speaker 1: common sense to see what a crime it has been

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Speaker 1: for Northland to be cut off from the rest of

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Speaker 1: the country over and over and over again. So four

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Speaker 1: lanes it is all the way from Auckland to funk

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Speaker 1: Array AA calls it a game changer. Transport Minister Simming

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Speaker 1: and Brown made the announcement and he is with us

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Speaker 1: a very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 1: Was it the weekend closure or last week's rain that

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Speaker 1: did it for you?

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Speaker 2: Notice is outlines in our government policy statment on transport

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Speaker 2: and also part of the coalition agreement with New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: First, no, no, no, no, I mean yesterday's announcement that you're

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Speaker 1: speeding it up and getting on with it.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, absolutely, I mean that's obviously one of the

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Speaker 2: reasons why we have to keep moving at pace. But

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Speaker 2: this is something we have been working on all year

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Speaker 2: this announcement because we know how critically important getting a

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Speaker 2: fix for the Brandowans is and what happened on the

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Speaker 2: weekend just highlights even further why this is this neck

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Speaker 2: we need to move at pace on this alternative.

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Speaker 1: So, just to be clear, was yesterday's an announcement and

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Speaker 1: an announcement of an announcement, are actually going to do

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Speaker 1: something different from what you'd previously announced.

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Speaker 2: So NZTA has is starting planning in terms of the

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Speaker 2: alternative corridor. There hasn't been any planning on this over

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Speaker 2: the last six years. So we're and what we're saying

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Speaker 2: is there's going to be a route. We're going to

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Speaker 2: take this as a single route rather than three different

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Speaker 2: projects in order to be able to speed up the

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Speaker 2: procurements to design and then to be able to get

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Speaker 2: a contract in place as quickly as possible. So this

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Speaker 2: is about a different way of delivering infrastructure rather than

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Speaker 2: simply doing a project by project saying actually it's one

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Speaker 2: whole corridor, let's do it together, let's get in and

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Speaker 2: get that stuff, and not planning done as quickly as

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Speaker 2: we can.

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Speaker 1: As far as the roads of national significance go, is

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Speaker 1: this road number one. This is top of front of

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Speaker 1: the queue.

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Speaker 2: It is in terms of walk we're and walk with Tihana.

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Speaker 2: This is the first section as announced yesterday, that is

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Speaker 2: the only major roading project in the country which actually

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Speaker 2: currently has a consent good and that is that is

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Speaker 2: the shame of where we've left what we've been, what

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Speaker 2: we've inherited, And I say to people, the good news

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Speaker 2: is it's the only one which is consented. The bad

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Speaker 2: news is it's the only one that's consented. But that

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Speaker 2: just shows the reality in New Zealand of needing to

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Speaker 2: be able to get a pipeline of infrastructure projects which

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Speaker 2: are consented, which can be delivered so that we can

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Speaker 2: actually build the modern, reliable infrastructure New Zealand needs. So

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Speaker 2: we've got a huge amount of work ahead of us.

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Speaker 2: This is the top priority, but there's many other roads

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Speaker 2: around the country which need need that investment as well.

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Speaker 1: Have you got a time frame on to Hannet or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're hoping to. With the d IS putting out

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Speaker 2: its National and Transfer program in the next couple of months,

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Speaker 2: we're intending to get their spades in the ground as

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Speaker 2: quickly as we can. In terms of the specific timeline,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a specific date that as outlined in

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Speaker 2: the last about a month ago. During this next two

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Speaker 2: to three year period, we're hoping to get spades in

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Speaker 2: the ground on that project.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how much is it going to cost?

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Speaker 2: The cost of that is to be determined. It will

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Speaker 2: be a significant cost for this entire corriage one hundred

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Speaker 2: kilometers of four lane expressway, that will be many billions

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Speaker 2: of dollars. But ultimately, if we're going to unlock economic

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Speaker 2: growth and productivity for Northland, we need to make these

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Speaker 2: types of investments. We've also said, look, we're going to

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Speaker 2: open to all types of funding and financing to deliver that.

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Speaker 2: So we've said very clearly we'll be tolling this, We'll

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Speaker 2: be tolling the new roads of national significance. We'll be

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Speaker 2: using public private partnerships to spread that cost over time.

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Speaker 2: We'll be open to all types of funding and financing

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Speaker 2: arrangements to be able to invest in this infrastructure New

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Speaker 2: Zealand needs.

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Speaker 1: My great fear is that the administration of all of

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Speaker 1: this is slower than the digging. Is that fear on

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Speaker 1: the sense by the time you get a PPP or

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Speaker 1: the Chinese involved, or any number of sovereign wealth funds

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Speaker 1: or whoever it may be, this is all paperwork and

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Speaker 1: nothing moves fast enough.

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Speaker 2: No, the intent here is to move at pace to

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Speaker 2: get the procurement done quickly. That's why we're saying it's

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Speaker 2: actually let's find efficiencies and do all three projects as

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Speaker 2: one project rather than do them as separate, separate individual

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Speaker 2: procurement phases, individual design phases. So the intent is to

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Speaker 2: speed up all of that paperwork. We've also highlighted, as

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Speaker 2: we announced yesterday, that we're looking at changes to the

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Speaker 2: Public Works Act around property property acquisition.

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Speaker 1: How quickly does that happen?

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Speaker 2: Well that well, at the moment, property acquisition is one

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Speaker 2: of the big big slowdowns in terms of that adds

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Speaker 2: two to three years to being able to start construction.

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Speaker 1: So what are you going to change it to we're

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Speaker 1: coming to get your house full stop.

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Speaker 2: Well, ultimately there's things that we need to look at,

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Speaker 2: such as incentive payments. Whether there needs to be one

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Speaker 2: of the key issues at the moment.

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Speaker 1: And the scene of payments, So can you put it

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Speaker 1: through my place? I got to play some there. So

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Speaker 1: if you're paying me twenty percent on top, I'll sell

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Speaker 1: it to you now.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly if you Those are the type of things

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Speaker 2: we need to look at in terms of saying, well,

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Speaker 2: if we need to speed up the process. But the

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Speaker 2: other part of it is if you're if you're a

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Speaker 2: serial litigant, you have the opportunity to oppose a consent

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Speaker 2: through the consenting phase and then you get to reoppose

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Speaker 2: it right through the Public Works Act phase as well

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Speaker 2: and have all of the same arguments all over again.

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Speaker 2: And so we need to say, actually, this is critical,

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Speaker 2: nationally important infrastructure. We need to look at how can

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Speaker 2: we can speed up that process so we can get

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Speaker 2: spades in the ground faster to be able to deliver

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Speaker 2: the infrastructure cylinders.

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Speaker 1: Need sooner the better, So me and appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: Sim and Brown Transport Minister. Just a text and what

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Speaker 1: about the second ash Burton Bridge, Mike, I'll save that

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Speaker 1: question for another day. I'm just not sure what part

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Speaker 1: of the new road were you proposing that your property

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Speaker 1: be usedful, because it would kind of have to be

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Speaker 1: a sort of a backward kind of a loop to

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Speaker 1: the existing or something scenic detour right, come on, and

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Speaker 1: a small you know what do they call those things

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Speaker 1: on the side of the road when you're getting too tired,

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Speaker 1: you know, take a little break, a little breakstore, a

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Speaker 1: little risk stop wristk stop sure often me twenty percent.

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