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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be good afternoon at is seven after four. Great

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Speaker 2: to have you coming on this Friday afternoon, Barbara. What

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Speaker 2: are your bottom lines? Barbara Edvans joins us after five.

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Speaker 2: The overseas investment conundrum for Labor continues today, a bit

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Speaker 2: We're also going to check in with a doctor at

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Speaker 2: the ed in Christ Church. People are coming in and punching.

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Speaker 2: They're coming in and swearing. They're coming in and being

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Speaker 2: pretty violent towards our ed staff. So we'll catch up

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Speaker 2: with them after six. I'm really looking forward to this one.

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Speaker 2: This is the inventor of that artificial heart that we've

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Speaker 2: been talking about out of Australia over the last week.

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Speaker 2: his dying dad. That's after six, Ryan Bridge. I saw

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Speaker 2: the news today and I thought, here she goes again.

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Speaker 2: This is Toryo in Wellington playing the victim again for

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Speaker 2: sympathy votes. So she says that Chris Luxon is not

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Speaker 2: a nice person because he called the council lame o. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: is the bar that low? You know, it would have

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Speaker 2: to be one of the meekest and weakest pejoratives that

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Speaker 2: you could lobb at a council. If that makes you

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Speaker 2: in a handbasket. Have you ever used harsh words to

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Speaker 2: And this is quite obvious to anyone who's had a

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Speaker 2: They've scored an f for effort and results. The council

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Speaker 2: does a survey every year and this time, funnily enough,

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Speaker 2: an OAA. So since Tory Farno took charge of Wellington,

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Speaker 2: great place to live, work and play. That's down. Thirty

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Speaker 2: This all comes off the back of the fact that

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Speaker 2: going nowhere. And Farno said today she did want to

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Speaker 2: submit a quote, half baked proposal to meet a deadline.

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Speaker 2: There is no hope for Wellington under this sort of leadership,

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Speaker 2: Only Wellington has run out of patience and after this

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Speaker 2: there have been told to basically move on, remove your

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Speaker 2: Is this a bit heavy handed or I mean, are

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Speaker 3: But there's also an expectation that people obey the law

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Speaker 2: Where do they go once, you know, you take this

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Speaker 3: we've actually said is we haven't said you have to go.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the middle of the day.

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Speaker 3: And and and we've basically said that that we're looking

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Speaker 3: my viewers, people should be free to do whatever they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, and it has been to others.

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Speaker 3: So we've given them seven days. I think the hope

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Speaker 3: they're moving their staff. We've taken a very softly, softly

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretty keen on that. But the housing, welfare

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Speaker 3: for for central government to deal with. Here's how much

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Speaker 5: How much not one not one dollar?

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Speaker 3: They are nowhere to be safe, to.

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Speaker 2: Be fair, I mean, the thing is, you've got governments

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Speaker 3: You know, I look and I agree with that, right,

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister, let me get back to Bay six years.

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Speaker 3: You're there to pick up rubbish, mo lawns, do the water,

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Speaker 2: Now you're getting at both ends near I understand. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much. New hold the new Plymouth District Mayor.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know what it's like where you are.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two number Tex. Sixteen minutes after four,

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Speaker 2: Four eighteen News Talks edb Ryan, why is it our

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Speaker 2: the issue of homelessness. We just spoke to the new

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Speaker 2: geta Ryan now, Lien Lawson, he's had a chance to

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Speaker 2: have a quick buzz around the track already. How's he looking?

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Speaker 6: Sixteenth fastest of the twenty, so like you should say,

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Speaker 6: five five seconds. Now, that probably doesn't mean a lot

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Speaker 6: in isolation, but they have said red Ball they want

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Speaker 6: Liam Lawson to be within three tenths of a second

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Speaker 6: He hasn't managed that because for Stappin's gone one seventeen

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Speaker 7: But it's only.

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Speaker 6: catching up to do for Red Ball. But Liam Lawson

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Speaker 6: He will be please to get that out of the way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, What does this weekend Sunday five pm? You said,

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Speaker 2: Is one thing.

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Speaker 9: Point of the story.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridgejohn Heather Duper c Allen drive with one

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Speaker 2: Have a listen, got.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing it. I'm from New Zealand. We've

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Speaker 10: It's on Sky Sports.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see there it is. Don't have it, can't do it,

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Speaker 2: but there will be highlights online. I'll watch those news

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplic elan drive with one

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Speaker 9: Let's get connected news talk, said B.

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Speaker 11: Never a.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon twenty five minutes away from five News. Talks

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Speaker 12: Do now?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: It's the World wires on news dogs Endy Drive.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump threatening a two hundred percent tariff on all

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Speaker 2: booze from the EU. The US is the largest importer

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Speaker 2: of wine and champagne in the world. Did you know

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Kelly O'Grady from CBS News has very

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Speaker 2: diplomatically suggested that this terrify idea is bonkers.

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Speaker 14: In fact, I.

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Speaker 2: Persian says he's cane on a ceasefire, but he's got conditions.

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Speaker 16: He is actually preparing a refusal as of now. Pewtin,

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Speaker 2: Finally this afternoon, Wow, it's actually the heartbreaking down of

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 2: Running home for her mummy. I bet now. Dan Mitchison

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Speaker 2: is a US correspondent. He's with US now, Hi Dan, Hello, Dan,

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Speaker 2: come in from the United States. There you are, hey,

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Speaker 2: bad news for you champagne consumption. Dan Trump wants to

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Speaker 17: I know and during the World Wire, as your producer

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Speaker 17: Laura was just asking if I was contributing to this

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Speaker 17: Two hundred tariff on on the alcohol that we're importing

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Good point. Now Trump is going to the Supreme

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And here's the issue.

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Speaker 17: I have a really hard time to see this moving forward.

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Speaker 17: But we'll see what happens. I mean, he's just thrown

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Speaker 2: Dan, what's the story about Americans thinking that can be

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Speaker 17: I mean, all right, there's a percentage of us. I

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Speaker 17: And this is something that's made the rounds before that

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Speaker 18: Basically you're not going to win a fight.

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Speaker 17: But the poll asked Americans if they believe they could

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Speaker 17: or a lion in a fight. So hopefully we're hoping

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Speaker 17: these people are just joking around and they're not taking

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Speaker 17: this too seriously.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully not. Maybe all those six percent of people are

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Speaker 2: drunk on all the cheap boots from the aus. Maybe

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Speaker 2: that's giving them some confidence.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, some Dutch courage, as they say, yes, I think

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Speaker 18: you're right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what happened when you met a grizzly bear.

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Speaker 17: We were up at a cabin in the mountains and

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Speaker 17: we opened the door. We heard something and there was

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Speaker 17: a grizzly standing on its hind legs. It must have

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Speaker 17: been ten twelve feet tall, and that door. We shut

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Speaker 17: that door immediately. I have never been more scared in

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Speaker 17: my life.

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Speaker 2: Was it was it quite beautiful or just scary?

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Speaker 4: It was?

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Speaker 18: It was both.

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Speaker 17: I mean, it wasn't like it was just I think

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Speaker 17: it was rummaging for food right outside the cabin. And

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Speaker 17: you know, it was stormy and it was it was noisy,

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Speaker 17: and it was just looking for someplace dry. So it

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Speaker 17: came up onto the porch and that's how we heard

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Speaker 17: the noise, and so we opened the front door and

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Speaker 17: there it was.

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Speaker 18: I don't know if it would have.

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Speaker 17: Done any harm, but you know, we didn't really want to,

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Speaker 17: you know, stick around to ask.

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Speaker 2: It no, take a photo and take in its beauty. Dan,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Dan meant, correspondent, nineteen minutes away from five

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Speaker 2: YEWS talks. You'd be, what's the saying about fighting beers

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Speaker 2: like brown? If it's brown, laid down, if it's black,

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Speaker 2: fight back, and if it's white, take flight or something

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Speaker 2: like that. You don't mean to fight the white ones.

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Speaker 2: I mean you should probably not fight any of them.

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Speaker 2: That I'm assuming be the correct advice. Lucky, we don't

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Speaker 2: have to deal with that. Here do we eighteen minutes

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Speaker 2: away from five, somebody's just text him to say, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: they're going to have to deport half of Australia, because

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Speaker 2: I'm sure every bogan has done the exact same thing

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Speaker 2: as that poor girl who picked up the wombat over there.

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Speaker 2: She didn't hurt the thing at all, She separated it

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Speaker 2: from mamma. I don't know. I watched that video and

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Speaker 2: I felt a little to be honest, I felt a

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Speaker 2: little bit sick. Didn't I didn't sit right with me,

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Speaker 2: didn't sit well with me. I'm happy she's gone. News

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Speaker 2: talks he beat eighteen minutes away from five, Barbara Edmonds

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Speaker 2: After five Barry Soper with what's going on at the

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Speaker 2: investment summit? Next?

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Speaker 1: Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: A quarter to five News Talks, he'd be Barry sober here, Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 2: got afternoon, Ryan, Good afternoon, now, chrysaldwe back in from

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Speaker 2: the cold at the investment summer.

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Speaker 8: Come as a surprise to you, Ryan, that I know Crystler.

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Speaker 17: Dealt quite well.

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Speaker 2: Here we go again.

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Speaker 8: I've dined with him on several occasions New York when

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Speaker 8: he was working with Donald Trump. I can never quite

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Speaker 8: understand why New Zealander would work for Donald Trump, but

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Speaker 8: I think the point he made it a sort of

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Speaker 8: a way that look, he's a boy from Matamata. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he's house some very senior business positions after he left Matamata.

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Speaker 8: But to work in the most important office in the

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Speaker 8: world was a bit of a buzz and it was

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Speaker 8: the one that outlasted everybody in the Trump office.

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Speaker 2: And also it wasn't such a known quantity back the

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Speaker 2: first time round.

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Speaker 8: Bad but chrys Dell he spoke to the investment summit

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Speaker 8: last night, and Christopher Luxon started his speech this morning

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Speaker 8: to the summit thanking Laddll for his very considered presentation

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Speaker 8: and interestingly he was Trump's favorite. Laddell was to take

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Speaker 8: over the OECTs CD's top job, but New Zealand voted

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Speaker 8: against him because the National Party changed its position and

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Speaker 8: said you can't forget the Trump factors. So interestingly, he's

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Speaker 8: obviously come around full circle. But the media couldn't find

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Speaker 8: Ladell last night. There's nowhere to be found and today

511
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Speaker 8: as well. Four years ago, when he was Trump's Chief

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Speaker 8: policy adviser, he spoke fondly of the president and how

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Speaker 8: he the president that is, likes debate. Haven't listened to.

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Speaker 19: What he really likes is vibrant conversation, and what he

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Speaker 19: really likes and engages with his debate. He loves people

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Speaker 19: to come on with strong opinions. He likes different opinions,

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Speaker 19: and he really wants to push people and understand different perspectives.

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Speaker 19: He's tough, and he pushes me, and he pushes everyone

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Speaker 19: else around there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well he certainly does a lot of Zelenski would

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Speaker 8: testify to that.

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Speaker 2: He's pushing pretty much everyone at the moment. Hey Tory

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Speaker 2: Farno sounding off today again.

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Speaker 8: Oh it's incredible. I mean, having been a rate payer

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Speaker 8: and Willington for many, many decades, I'm so pleased I'm

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Speaker 8: not there now having to vote because Tory fun now.

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Speaker 8: I hope she gets her come up and later this

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Speaker 8: year when it comes around, because look, this was a

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Speaker 8: pretty simple thing. The government said to counsels, put up

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Speaker 8: a plan and we'll see if we can help you

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Speaker 8: facilitate it. They didn't. The Willington Council didn't reach the deadline.

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Speaker 8: It was too hard for them. Clearly Canterbury didn't put

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Speaker 8: up one either, but eighteen other councils did so fun

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Speaker 8: Oil was very much on her own. But look, she

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Speaker 8: called them not a very nice person in an interview

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Speaker 8: that she's just had. But she reckons her exchanges with

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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister would benefit her politically. She said it

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Speaker 8: works for her because a lot of people in Wellington

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Speaker 8: don't like Luxon. This is what upset Funel so much.

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Speaker 20: Every other region's been able to come together, work together

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Speaker 20: over the last six months, has even shown up with

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Speaker 20: some proposal. That's a real disappointment, I'd say to the

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Speaker 20: people in the rate payers of Wellington, this is a

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Speaker 20: great part of the country and yet their leaders at

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Speaker 20: a local government level can't come together on a regional deal.

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Speaker 20: Wellington waters are shambles and we've obviously had issues in

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Speaker 20: the Wellington District Council. So it's a massive missed opportunity

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Speaker 20: at a time when this government's doing everything it can

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Speaker 20: to attract capital and infrastructure this country.

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Speaker 8: You'd have to say, if you're a rate payer in Wellington,

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Speaker 8: you would.

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Speaker 2: Say yes, remember all of those things.

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Speaker 8: Remember the billions of dollars that were laid aside to

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Speaker 8: get Wellington going.

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Speaker 2: Remember the stop I mean honestly, I mean that there's

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Speaker 2: a list as long as your arm and yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean for her to take that personally and say that

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Speaker 2: he's a nasty person.

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Speaker 8: And Wellington is a great city. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Not at the moment, well the leadership has die. I

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time around the now another bad pole.

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Speaker 2: This is a new one out to this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: This afternoon. This is a Talbot Mills poll and for

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Speaker 8: their clients, and they are the Labor Party's pollsters. But

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Speaker 8: having said that, it really does mirror the poll that

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Speaker 8: came out earlier this week from Curia, which is the

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Speaker 8: National Party's posters. It shows that National has dropped to

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Speaker 8: thirty one percent. Labor's steady on thirty four percent down

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Speaker 8: National is down two percentage points. It's really not good

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Speaker 8: for the National Party at the moment. Labor and the

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Speaker 8: Greens and to Party Maori. They would have sixty one

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Speaker 8: seats in Parliament, which would be enough if an election

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Speaker 8: was held today to hold the treasury benches. But look

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Speaker 8: at early days, it's been one hell of a time

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Speaker 8: to It's like a poison chalice command to government. It

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Speaker 8: has been so you wouldn't expect a lot different. Although

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Speaker 8: Chris lux and his personal rating is now three percent

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Speaker 8: behind Chris Hipkins on twenty four percent. That's a very

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Speaker 8: low rating for a prime minister.

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Speaker 2: But again, it's like getting in It's like getting into

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Speaker 2: a car that's had the engine taken out of it

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Speaker 2: and trying to win a race.

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Speaker 8: Exactly what it is we talk is out going along.

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Speaker 2: Like the Flintstones. I mean, it's honestly yeah. And the

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Speaker 2: governments around the world are finding this problem, aren't they

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Speaker 2: cost the living and all of that sort of stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he's got to turn it around, doesn't he. That's his job.

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Speaker 8: He most certainly does, and he believes he can.

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Speaker 2: So good luck, just hope, he says, Barry Soper, good

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Speaker 2: to see you. We'll see you later on. It is

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Speaker 2: nine minutes away from five News talks, he'd be we'll

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Speaker 2: have Barbara Edmunds on. Actually we could ask you about

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Speaker 2: that pole after five o'clock. We're also going to talk

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Speaker 2: after five about the issue of EDS. If you're a

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Speaker 2: doctor or a nurse, or an orderly anyone who works

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Speaker 2: in an ED, you will know that it's a very

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Speaker 2: violent place. People come in boost you know, they've had

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Speaker 2: far too much too much to drink, or maybe the

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Speaker 2: person who's been treated hasn't but their family member has

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Speaker 2: and they come into the ED and they get all abusive.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many security guards can you re realistically

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Speaker 2: put out a hospital at some point? And I know

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Speaker 2: doctors and nice people and they have an oath, but

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Speaker 2: at some point do they not just say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: you're not being very polite and if you're not going

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Speaker 2: to be polite, we won't treat you. I know what

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Speaker 2: I would do if I was a doctor, which is

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Speaker 2: probably one not a doctor. Nine Away from five News

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Speaker 2: Talks EDB digging.

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Speaker 1: Into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Does your company look to specific projects or types of

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Speaker 11: projects or any projects potential.

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Speaker 5: They are being concession in?

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Speaker 3: Pretty has about eight billion and is globally onto punishment.

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Speaker 11: To fix all that with reputation, a reputation of a

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Speaker 11: rock star, of a success story, of a go getter.

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Speaker 11: Back Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 11: the rain drove of the last News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to Barbara Edmonds at five minutes

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Speaker 2: away from five. Barbara Edmunds here live on the program

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Speaker 2: after five, we'll find out just how bipartisan they are feeling,

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Speaker 2: what sort of bipart is mood they were in the

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Speaker 2: sports huddle of any good and Elliott Smith will be

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Speaker 2: with us after five point thirty. This evening lots to

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Speaker 2: talk about, including Liam Lawson over in Melbourne, and after

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Speaker 2: six we are looking again at this story. And the

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Speaker 2: only reason we're looking again at the story is because

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Speaker 2: we've actually going to speak to the guy who invented it.

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Speaker 2: But the artificial heart, that is a world first, amazing breakthrough.

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to the guy who invented that

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago and now it's been implanted into somebody

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Speaker 2: into a patient, managed to get them through a couple

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Speaker 2: of months where they would have otherwise died, and they

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Speaker 2: now have a replacement heart. It's an amazing story. So

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. And I wanted to give a

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Speaker 2: shout out this afternoon because we don't often do this,

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Speaker 2: but when there's good news, there's good news. A shout

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Speaker 2: out to the crew whoever you are, and to NZTA

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Speaker 2: have been working on State Highway One. This was a

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Speaker 2: this is the Desert Road two month closure for major roadworks.

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Speaker 2: You remember they announced this and they said, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: but it's going to be two months and blah blah,

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Speaker 2: and everyone went two months, whatever, it's going to be five.

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Speaker 2: Well they've done it in two months, so congratulations, well done.

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Speaker 2: Also interesting that they said that they were meant to

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Speaker 2: do twenty eight kilometers. It actually gets better. They were

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Speaker 2: meant to do twenty eight kilometers of road. They've managed

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Speaker 2: to do an extra twelve kilometers of road in that

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Speaker 2: same time. Now, the whole thing could fall apart tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and this will become null and void, but hopefully it

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Speaker 2: sounds the test of time. If you're driven on it today,

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Speaker 2: give me a text. Interestingly, they had eight hundred trucks

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Speaker 2: per day that had to be diverted through State Highway

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Speaker 2: four for those who know the area. Now that road

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Speaker 2: would usually get only two hundred and forty trucks per day.

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Speaker 2: They reckon the cost of diverting that. The extra forty

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Speaker 2: minutes for our road transport one hundred thousand dollars a day.

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Speaker 2: So that's why infrastructure is so important. That's why good

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Speaker 2: roads are so important, because when they are inefficient, it

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Speaker 2: costs all of us. And on that we'll be speaking

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Speaker 2: to Barbara Edmunds.

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Speaker 1: Next questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive, show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 18: It'd be good evening.

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Speaker 2: It is seven after five news talks. It'd be Labor

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Speaker 2: says it's keen on foreign investment here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: but not at any costs. Labour's finance spokesperson, Barbara Edmunds

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Speaker 2: addressed investor, is that the investments summit in Auckland today.

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Speaker 2: She's with me now, Barbara, good evening. Hi, Rian, Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being with me. A lot of confusion today

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Speaker 2: about it because there was talk going into this it's

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Speaker 2: all bipartisan and morle comb by our and a little

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Speaker 2: bit of confusion today about exactly what you're saying no to.

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Speaker 2: So what is your position?

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Speaker 4: Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Ryan?

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Speaker 4: I mean the reason why I went there was actually

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Speaker 4: show where we will work together and where our boundaries

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Speaker 4: are as the Labor Party. So what we've said no

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Speaker 4: to is we welcome for o an investment, but it

682
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Speaker 4: needs to be for the right type of assets. And

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Speaker 4: we've said no to schools, houses, prisons and critical infrastructure

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Speaker 4: like the series.

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Speaker 2: So everything else is open open season. So any roading project,

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Speaker 2: you're up for tolling, you're up for all sorts, but

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Speaker 2: just not on those bundes you've outlined.

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Speaker 4: We're open to it, and we said to the government,

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Speaker 4: keep us brief. We've said to investors, keep us brief,

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Speaker 4: so that we know where you're up to and the

691
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Speaker 4: negotiations and how you're going with the contract, because we

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Speaker 4: know there is a place for PPPs, but actually we

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Speaker 4: also want to keep some of our critical infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about you mentioned in your speech about the treaty.

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Speaker 2: You said we will not do anything that doesn't honor

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Speaker 2: the treaty. What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: So round the treaty, you know, we have the Rima

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Speaker 4: and some of the treaty principles and the reflections of that.

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Speaker 4: We had EWE Marti leaders and Marty businesses who were there.

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Speaker 4: They were really strong on that as well, and they

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Speaker 4: were saying, we're open, but you also need to understand

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Speaker 4: we have values.

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Speaker 2: So does that mean no fast track?

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Speaker 4: Well, we actually fast track came through under labor and

705
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Speaker 4: through the advocacy of communities. They changed it so that

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Speaker 4: it goes from the panel to ministers. So that's the

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Speaker 4: sort of you know, that's the sort of stuff where

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Speaker 4: if we can support we will support it. But we

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Speaker 4: also have to listen to our communities who are telling

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Speaker 4: us things and they want us to fight for it,

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Speaker 4: so we will.

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Speaker 2: So that you can't have it both ways though, ken you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the problem. We've got the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister up there saying this is great, We've got these projects,

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Speaker 2: we can fast track them, We've got all these options,

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Speaker 2: and you're saying now, on the one hand, yes to

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Speaker 2: fast track. On the other hand, sort of no, Well

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Speaker 2: we're saying.

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Speaker 4: Yes to where the benefits New Zealand and where there

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Speaker 4: are where it's values New Zealand. And so actually afterwards

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Speaker 4: and I speaking to investors, they were just happy there

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Speaker 4: was clarity around that.

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Speaker 2: But what does that actually mean? I mean, doesn't it

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Speaker 2: all benefit New Zealand?

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Speaker 4: Well, is it going to be cheaper?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 4: What that's the question? Will it be cheaper? Will it

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Speaker 4: be cheaper than doing it if the government did it,

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Speaker 4: Given the government can borrow cheaper or can actually access

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Speaker 4: some capital that's much cheaper than through private means.

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Speaker 2: So why would you in the detail, why would.

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Speaker 3: You bother how different projects, Why would.

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Speaker 2: You bother them. I mean, if you're coming on here

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Speaker 2: saying that it's cheaper for the government to borrow money,

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Speaker 2: why would you ever bother doing a PPP? And why

736
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Speaker 2: are you going to the summit to talk to foreign investors.

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Speaker 4: This is why I was invited to and I was

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Speaker 4: very clear with the government at the time. I said,

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Speaker 4: when I come, this is what I'm going to talk about.

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Speaker 4: These are the boundaries. We even stop speeches with Minister Bishop.

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Speaker 4: So I was there because it's good for a New

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Speaker 4: Zealent ink that we were there. That's what we were

743
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Speaker 4: really pleased with. That's what the government was pleased with them,

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Speaker 4: and were pleased to be there.

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Speaker 2: But actually, at the end of the day, it's not

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Speaker 2: really what you're into.

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Speaker 4: Well again Ryan, unless you have the details. We take

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Speaker 4: a considered approach to this and we wanted to make

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Speaker 4: sure to investors we were really clear about what's off

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Speaker 4: the table for us and also we were open.

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Speaker 2: But you're not clear. I mean you're not clear though,

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Speaker 2: are you. You've just told me in the same breath

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Speaker 2: that you're into PPPs that you'd rather do it with

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Speaker 2: government borrowing.

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Speaker 4: Oh what I was saying is we are open to

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Speaker 4: some PPPs, but not for housing. Sorry, not for house,

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Speaker 4: not for prisons, not for schools in critical infrastructure. That

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Speaker 4: was really clear at the summit and really clear in

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Speaker 4: all our comms, and the investors were really pleased with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And with the treaty you've said you know nothing

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Speaker 2: that breaches to your Waitengi. So if the White Tangi Tribune,

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Speaker 2: for example, says, I we can't do that project. Don't

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Speaker 2: like that project, it's a breach of the of the

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Speaker 2: treaty rights, would you then not do it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say breaches the treaty. I said honors to

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Speaker 4: Tursey and those are the values that I set out.

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Speaker 4: And again it was the same message that they would

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Speaker 4: have heard from eerie leaders as well.

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Speaker 2: Right, what is honoring the treaty mean?

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Speaker 4: And again it's those principles you know, and it's again

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Speaker 4: there's littered throughout different acts, in particular Rima. So that's

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Speaker 4: what I meant by honoring the treaty, also around honoring

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Speaker 4: the partnership with Marty, and that's why Marty was there,

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Speaker 4: because they're saying we're open for business, we want to

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Speaker 4: work with you as well. So it was really consistent

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Speaker 4: with the other things in the summit, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, clear as mud. Barbara, I sincerely hope that you

778
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Speaker 2: guys can get on the same page, the National Party

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Speaker 2: and the Labor Party, so that you know we can

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Speaker 2: all benefit from from potential benefits. Barbara Edmonds, the Labor

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Speaker 2: Party finance spokesperson, times twelve minutes after five. Almost everyone

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Speaker 2: working in emergency departments has been abused by drunk people.

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Speaker 2: This is according to a new trans Tasmin study. A

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Speaker 2: staggering ninety seven percent experience verbal aggression, ninety two percent

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Speaker 2: physical aggression, and nearly ninety percent fail unsafe. Doctor Laura

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Speaker 2: Joyce is a specialist at Christ Church ed In the hospital. There.

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Speaker 2: She co authored the studies. She's with me now, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: thank you for talking to me today. Have you can

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Speaker 2: you just give us an example of when you've been

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Speaker 2: abused in the hospital.

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Speaker 21: I have many examples. It's not an infrequent occurrence. So

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Speaker 21: patients will come in intoxicated with injuries and we have

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Speaker 21: to deal with them when they're not being the in

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Speaker 21: their right mind to be the nicest people. We have

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Speaker 21: relatives who are intoxicated and we're trying to look after

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Speaker 21: their elderly loved ones or their children, and they're interfering

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Speaker 21: in the care of their loved ones because they are intoxicated.

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Speaker 21: And so this actually affects every person who comes from

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Speaker 21: d not just the place and not just the stuff,

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Speaker 21: but everyone who is in the department at the time.

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Speaker 2: And how often are people actually throwing punctures, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting hit?

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Speaker 21: We try to avoid that. So we have a number

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Speaker 21: of de escalation strategies we can use, and we would

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Speaker 21: hope that we would never need to use those. There

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Speaker 21: is a lot of verbal aggression occurring. We are very

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Speaker 21: lucky in christ You at GD that we have security

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Speaker 21: staff twenty four seven who can help to de escalate

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Speaker 21: but also protect us in the case of violence.

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Speaker 2: Is there a part of you, and I know you

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Speaker 2: have an oath, but is there a part of you

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Speaker 2: that just goes if these people are coming in here

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Speaker 2: abusing me, they don't deserve my care.

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Speaker 21: I think everyone deserves our care, but we don't deserve

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Speaker 21: to be treated like this. I don't know any other

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Speaker 21: industry we're having ninety eight percent of your staff abused

817
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Speaker 21: would be considered acceptable, But it just seems to be

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Speaker 21: par for the course in healthcare and it's not right,

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Speaker 21: and we know that people will leave the system. They

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Speaker 21: will leave New Zealand and there'll be no one less

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Speaker 21: to careful patients.

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Speaker 2: What do you do about it? I mean you can

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Speaker 2: only security. You can't security up the WASO. I mean

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Speaker 2: that becomes impractical and too expensive. So what can you do?

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Speaker 21: No, we need to stop the problem right where it's occurring.

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Speaker 21: We need to stop alcohol related harm. So alcohol is

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Speaker 21: cheap and available and you can give it at three

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Speaker 21: o'clock in the morning from your local alcohol shop. That

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Speaker 21: might be beside a kennedy, it might be beside a school,

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Speaker 21: it might be where vulnerable patients live. We need to

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Speaker 21: restrict the supply of alcohol to reduce the harm that

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Speaker 21: it's causing.

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Speaker 2: If I mean, I've heard this before from from emergency

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Speaker 2: department doctors. If we don't sell alcohol, I mean people

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Speaker 2: will find if people want to get high off something,

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Speaker 2: they'll get high off something, won't they They will.

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Speaker 21: But the problem is cheap alcohol. So we need minimum

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Speaker 21: unit pricing because if you are buying a ten dollars

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Speaker 21: a bottle of wine, you're going to drink more bottles,

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Speaker 21: aren't you? No matter what your financial resources we need

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Speaker 21: to increase and an immunich price on alcohol so that

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Speaker 21: that cheap, you know, low quality alcohol is not available

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Speaker 21: to people to do harm to themselves.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, interesting, Laura, thank you for that, doctor

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Speaker 2: Laura Joyce. They study co author specialists in the christ

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Speaker 2: Church Hospital. Ed. It's quarter past five, Ryan Bridge, just

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Speaker 2: very lots of texts coming in on Barbara Evans. I'll

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Speaker 2: get to some of those in just a second, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: what is honoring the treaty? Mean? Ryan, that was vague.

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Speaker 2: I guess what what do you want from the opposition

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Speaker 2: at this point? She basically came on and said everything

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Speaker 2: and nothing. I mean, we are quite far up from

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Speaker 2: an election. Do you want to be giving all your

854
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: policies away at this point? There's that at play as well.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little bit after five point thirty

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Speaker 2: about this woman who has lived to the age of

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen. While she's now dead, but she

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Speaker 2: lived at the age of one hundred and seventeen and

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Speaker 2: they have done a lot of testing on her body

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Speaker 2: and on her genes and on her microbiome, which is

861
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Speaker 2: basically her gut. It's fascinating. That's coming up next. Week

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Speaker 2: to Melbourne for the latest on Liam Lawson News Talk,

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Speaker 2: said b coming up after five point thirty. We're in

864
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Speaker 2: Melbourne for the f one with Liam Lawson right now

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Speaker 2: and lots of your text coming on. Barbara Edmons will

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Speaker 2: get to those shorter. In fact, I'll get to one

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Speaker 2: right now. I am no clearer. This is from Peter.

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Speaker 2: I'm no clearer on where Labour stands on PPP. After

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Speaker 2: Barbara Edmund's fluff talk, all I heard was Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: Another says Ryan Barbara and her f Barbara and her

871
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Speaker 2: lot get in in the next election. My family and

872
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: other friends will be off to Australia. Well funny you

873
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: say that, Tom, because the next topic we're talking about

874
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: is slightly related to that. A former Rossie Home Affairs

875
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: secretary is calling for New Zealand to dump our nuclear

876
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: free policy and sign up to ORCUS. Michael Pazzullo says

877
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: the chances of the conflict with China are high enough

878
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: that New Zealand and Australia should be working together to

879
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: create a combined military force for our shared territorial defense.

880
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: Michael Pezzulo is the former Australian Home Affairs Secretary. He's

881
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: with me this evening, Michael, good evening.

882
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 5: Oh good afternoon from here, and good evening to you.

883
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Thank you. Why do you need why do we need

884
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: to be in Orcus? Why does New Zealand need to

885
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: be in.

886
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 5: My concern is less about Orcust, so I'll quickly jump

887
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 5: to that. It's really about having an integrated approach to

888
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: our common defense. A lot of the assumptions, both in

889
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: Australia and I dare say in New Zealand regarding our

890
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 5: defense are probably several decades old, and in this highly

891
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 5: disrupted world, everything is changing at such a great rate

892
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 5: that we just need to re examine everything. I would

893
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 5: start with a common defense area, the defense of Australia

894
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: and New Zealand as the ANZAC area, if you like,

895
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 5: and then from that would flow certain consequences and implications,

896
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 5: including the structure of our militaries, our command and control arrangements,

897
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 5: and how God forbid, if it came to it, how

898
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: we would fight a war to defend ourselves.

899
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it effectively make us the little cousin, you know,

900
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: the subordinate to your defense forces.

901
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 5: Well, if you want to be in charge, I suppose

902
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 5: you could flip it the other way. But I mean

903
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 5: I I put it to my very many friends in

904
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Speaker 5: New Zealand. I had so many fond memories of professional

905
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 5: associations over four decades in government service. I put this privately.

906
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: I'm now a retired pension and so I've put it

907
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 5: to your listeners publicly, the defense of New Zealand. And

908
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 5: this might be a controversial statement, but you know we've

909
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 5: got free thinking hopefully, and we can debate these things.

910
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: I would contend starts in the Indian Ocean. In other words,

911
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 5: the defense of New Zealand starts at the outer edge

912
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 5: of the Australian territorial barrier, which are our Indian Ocean territories,

913
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Speaker 5: the Cocos Islands, Christmas Island, the Northern Australia, and across

914
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 5: the defensive barrier that we would erect across the North,

915
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: across the North, including into the Coral Sea. There's a

916
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Speaker 5: very low probability of this occurring. I said in the

917
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 5: podcast that might have triggered the interest that's caused this

918
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 5: interview or given rise this interview that I think the

919
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: chances of a military conflict principally between the US and

920
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 5: China is as is around ten to twenty percent, which

921
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 5: the good news is the chance of peace and the

922
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 5: chance of there not being a conflict is obviously eighty

923
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: to ninety percent, which is good news. But the problem is,

924
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Speaker 5: of course ten to twenty percent probability of something that

925
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 5: you know is disastrous and catastrophically consequential is something you

926
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Speaker 5: should do something about.

927
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: Do you have any I've been talking to a lot

928
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: of people lately about Taiwan and the potential for China

929
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: to do a blockade or invade, and that would be

930
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Speaker 2: the match that sparks the whole the fire. Do you

931
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: have any sense of when this might be happening. I

932
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: mean a lot of people speculate about it, but do you,

933
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: I mean, how soon do you think that that could

934
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Speaker 2: be on the horizon.

935
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Speaker 5: Well, look, I'll be very cautious and discreet as I

936
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Speaker 5: am in Australian media about talking about anything that I'd

937
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: allude to classified matters that I learned in my government service,

938
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Speaker 5: which came to an end about eighteen months ago. But

939
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 5: just going off the public record, we have quite a

940
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 5: stark data point from the former head of the CI,

941
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Speaker 5: William Burns, who was appointed by President Biden now no

942
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: longer an office obviously in February twenty three, so that's

943
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Speaker 5: two years and a little bit ago. He gave a

944
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Speaker 5: very interesting speech, I think from a memory, was at

945
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Speaker 5: Georgetown University. So this is the head of the CIA.

946
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 5: I've heard and seen many public comments by CIA directors

947
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 5: over the years. They typically are very guarded and they

948
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 5: see they say things like where we have some conjecture,

949
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 5: we have an estimates, we have an assessment. Bill Burns,

950
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: who is a very moderate person, very careful, thoughtful first

951
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 5: and said two years ago, the CIA knows as quote

952
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 5: and I'm paraphrasing, but it's close enough knows as a

953
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 5: matter of intelligence. The president she has given directions to

954
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: his military to at least have the option available to

955
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 5: the Chinese leadership to launch a military operation to annexed

956
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 5: Taiwan from February twenty seven onwards. So, in other words,

957
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 5: less than two years away. Burns was at State was

958
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 5: it pains to say that no decision had been taken

959
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 5: at that point, that was two years ago, and that

960
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: it was really about ensuring that the military is ready.

961
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: But that alone is stark enough and concerning enough that

962
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 5: they're at least giving themselves the option if they can't

963
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 5: achieve a resolution of this matter to their satisfaction otherwise

964
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 5: of giving them self the option of violence, and that

965
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 5: is self concerning.

966
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, a fascinating too, Michael, thank you very much for

967
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: coming on the show. That's Michael Pasilla. He's the former

968
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: Australian Home Affairs Secretary. Of course Taiwan. If Taiwan kicks off,

969
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: it all kicks off. And even if there is no

970
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: military involvement to do with New Zealand, our trade would

971
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: be absolutely buggered if that kicked off. So to hear

972
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: those kinds of dates, I mean, I know it's all speculation,

973
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: who really knows, but fascinating stuff. Twenty four minutes after

974
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: five news talks there'd be were in Melbourne after news.

975
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the d Forward Bridge on

976
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: Hither duper c Allen Drey with one New Zealand Let's

977
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

978
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: That'd be twenty seven after five. Great to have you

979
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: listening on this Friday evening. Lots of texts on the EDS,

980
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 2: actually a disgusting and shocking amount of texts on the EDS,

981
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: particularly from people who work in emergency departments like nurses

982
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: and doctors, saying basically happens all the time. We get

983
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: sworn out, we get punched, we get abused. It's just

984
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: not a nice working environment. And actually a couple here

985
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: on the Desert Road which is now open. It's open early,

986
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: and I was just saying earlier, well done to n ZTA,

987
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: well done to the contractors who was working on it.

988
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: And honestly, you can't please everyone. Hi, Ryan, I'm just

989
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: driven across the desert Road. It's not finished, still lots

990
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: of roadworks in traffic delays regards trish, thank you for that.

991
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: They did say today in their release, Actually z TAB

992
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: that it'll be another four days or so of patchiness,

993
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: but at least they've got it open unless you can

994
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: pass through State Highway one early opening thanks to Lakeland

995
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: Excavation from Topoor apparently did a great job. And another

996
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: here there is no way I'm not appording ends today

997
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: when it takes five years to build an iffing roundabout

998
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: and they have plenty there, morons, So you'll just never

999
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: win sometimes. Twenty eight minutes after five this talk said,

1000
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: be we're off to Melbourne next after news and the

1001
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: sports hurdle coming your way to.

1002
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 12: Need two step with the woman I love. Yeah, we

1003
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 12: needed a stick.

1004
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

1005
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on hither dupic allan drive with one New Zealand.

1006
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talk, said.

1007
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: B look at you.

1008
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: You're taking me with ordinary would you name to the Jerry.

1009
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 22: Trunk.

1010
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 13: Good evening.

1011
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: It is twenty four minutes away from six year old

1012
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: news talks. They'd be hey, I said earlier, actually yesterday

1013
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: I said, there'll be nothing tangible or announceable from the

1014
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: government out of this investor summit in Auckland. And it's

1015
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: not come from the government, but this is a tangible thing.

1016
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: So in Auckland right now drilling underneath it up to

1017
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: one hundred meters underground for this Central Interceptor project, which

1018
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: is to try and get all of the literally all

1019
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: of our feces out of the ocean so that we

1020
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: can swim in the beaches. It's a wastewater treatment thing.

1021
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: The tunnelers for that are an Italian outfit and they

1022
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: are in New Zealand at the moment. They've got their

1023
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: workers here, they've got their machinery here. They have announced

1024
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: this afternoon that as a result of this proposed pipeline

1025
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: of infrastructure projects that have been announced that the investment summit.

1026
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Because of that, they are going to keep their equipment

1027
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: here and their investment here, which I mean that is significant.

1028
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: That is, that is not an insignificant thing to say

1029
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: for a business that would otherwise have have presumably up

1030
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: and left twenty three minutes away from six now.

1031
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 18: Bridge.

1032
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the sports huddle in just

1033
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: a second right now. Liam Lawson the man in the moment.

1034
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: He's completed his first practice session as a full time

1035
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: Red Bull Formula One driver, and he's already had a

1036
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: pretty close call. He was going around the Melbourne circuit.

1037
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: He's slightly grazable on a turn.

1038
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 18: Have a listen, such a Harto just on the entry

1039
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 18: of Satin nine, like just brushed it.

1040
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: Liam finished the first practice session with the sixteenth fastest

1041
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: time and the ESPNF one writer in Melbourne is Nate Saunders,

1042
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: who joins us now for more. Nate, good afternoon to you.

1043
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: Good evening from us. How's our boy Liam looking?

1044
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 13: Hey? How are you doing? Yeah, you're right.

1045
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 23: It was a close call for him and I think

1046
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 23: probably a pretty you know, standard start his Red Bull career.

1047
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 23: You know, he was down the order a little bit,

1048
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 23: but when you're in a new team like that, that's

1049
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 23: pretty much pretty much the first thing you've got to

1050
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 23: do is just make sure you don't.

1051
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 13: Put your car in the wall.

1052
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 23: So I think, you know, a slide starts the weekend,

1053
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 23: and we've got another practice session coming up in.

1054
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 13: A little bit as well.

1055
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: Who's performing Who do you need debat? Who's performing? Be

1056
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: so far well?

1057
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 23: Rebel are an interesting spot because I think one of

1058
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 23: the big things we're all looking to see is where

1059
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 23: they sit in that top four. We think McLaren pretty

1060
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 23: much look like the team to beat. They maybe are

1061
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 23: a tiny bit ahead of the rest, but then that

1062
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 23: three team gap group behind them looks super close. You've

1063
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 23: got obviously Ferrari who ran McLaren really closed last year.

1064
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 23: You've got Redbell in there, but Mercedes are going to

1065
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 23: have stepped up as well. So really for Redbell, what

1066
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 23: they're looking to do is just finish, you know, in

1067
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 23: a competitive spot in that kind of in that three

1068
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 23: car team.

1069
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 13: But Max look quick as he always does.

1070
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 23: And I think Liam's job, as you know, as a

1071
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 23: new guy in the team, I think his big thing

1072
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 23: is just to not be kind of disgraced in that

1073
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 23: early spell by Max because so many teammates of maxistappen

1074
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 23: start on a slow footing and just never really recover.

1075
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: So if you, I think the first thing you got

1076
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 4: to do is just.

1077
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 13: Make sure he's close to match. I'm not sure if beating.

1078
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 23: Him straight up against you know, the most realistic thing,

1079
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 23: just given that he's the reigning four time world champion,

1080
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 23: but it's super tight up there and he should have

1081
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 23: a pretty competitive car. It just you know, I think

1082
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 23: I think I actually spoke to him earlier and he

1083
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 23: said that everything he's doing is just it's just about

1084
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Speaker 23: easing himself in. You know, it's a long, long season,

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Speaker 23: twenty four races. He doesn't need to go out and

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00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 23: be a hero on day one or session one, and

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Speaker 23: I think that's quite a smart way for him to

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00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 23: have approached. Is well, everyone's saying he's a he's a rookie.

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Speaker 23: It's not his he's not officially a rookie, I guess,

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Speaker 23: because he's had ten races over two seasons, but it's

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Speaker 23: his first full season and Formula one, so no need

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Speaker 23: to kind of you know, get off to some flying

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Speaker 23: start and make.

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Speaker 13: You know, make some big mistake and have all the

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Speaker 13: pressure on you suddenly.

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Speaker 4: So I think he's I think.

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Speaker 23: He's looking pretty pretty solid and he's taking a sensible

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Speaker 23: approach to that, because.

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Speaker 2: You would be feeling, as you say, he's done being

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Speaker 2: the seat before, but not as a full time so

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Speaker 2: you would be feeling a bit appreciare. What's the atmosphere

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00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: like that? I can hear a bit of it behind you.

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Speaker 2: What's the atmospheel like there night?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I wasn't sure how much you could pick up.

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Speaker 13: It's great, honestly.

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Speaker 23: I mean, obviously Australia this year is the host event,

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Speaker 23: and I think for a lot of us who grew

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Speaker 23: up watching racing in the nineties and early two thousands,

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Speaker 23: this was the opening race and it's a good reason

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Speaker 23: why it was so popular, you know. It's just it's

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00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 23: just so there's so many fans here. It's such a

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Speaker 23: colorful and noisy place. Obviously they've got Oscar Piastri to

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00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 23: cheer on for the local fans, but I've got to

1114
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 23: say I heard a massive cheer earlier.

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Speaker 13: When I was walking into the circuit. They have something

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00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 13: called the Melbourne Mile here.

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Speaker 23: It's the Melbourne Walk where all the drivers come in

1118
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 23: and I assumed, oh, must be Lewis or it must

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Speaker 23: be must be matched.

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Speaker 13: It was actually Liam getting a really really big reception.

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Speaker 23: I think that, you know, maybe maybe in other sports

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00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 23: the Australian New Zealand rival is a bit stronger, but here, you.

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Speaker 13: Know, it seems to be quite embraced quite well.

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Speaker 23: So yeah, it's a great place for fans, great great

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Speaker 23: circuit and it will go back to Bahrain next year,

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Speaker 23: which I looks a shame because I think this to

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Speaker 23: kick the season off, and especially for those of us

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Speaker 23: who used to play all the former one games growing

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Speaker 23: up as well, this is always the one you played

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Speaker 23: straight out of the gate, so it feels feels more familiar,

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00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 23: and I think the.

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Speaker 13: Drivers like it as well. So yeah, really really really

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Speaker 13: good atmosphere.

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Speaker 23: And actually there's a practice session about to start, so

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00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 23: there's a few drivers walking past me kind of looking

1136
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 23: very there is very Intensive're about to go back into

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Speaker 23: their racing cards.

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Speaker 2: Sounds fantastic. We'll lead you back to at Nate Nate

1139
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Speaker 2: Saunders espn IF one writer with us from Melbourne, nineteen

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Speaker 2: minutes away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Tuddle with New Zealand Suburby's International Realty.

1142
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Speaker 9: Find you're one of the kind that it's lot, then

1143
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 9: next fight will be the one after he's right up

1144
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 9: to you.

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00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 13: He's ranked one. He's creatible.

1146
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: The fans want to see it, so they can only

1147
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 3: dodge from so long.

1148
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 9: Docked it down and out of it, get locked up.

1149
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 9: I want to know that to laugh you want?

1150
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: He takes it down, quands up.

1151
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 9: On top of Stephen Adams. It's like a free ball

1152
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 9: wrestling match out there.

1153
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: Got another ary Oh no, no, no, no coming fright.

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00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 9: No, I'm not doing it.

1155
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm from New Zealand. We've got red stars. Not why oi,

1156
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. And he didn't do it on

1157
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Speaker 2: the project in Australia that was leaming Lawson to the end.

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Speaker 2: The Elliott Smith News Talks he bet sports News directors

1159
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Speaker 2: with us this evening, Hey, Elliott evening, Hayden, good to

1160
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: see ye and Levina good is here a sports journalist.

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00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: Good evening to you.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, good evening from tying A.

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00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: Nice to chat O, Nice to have you on. Nice

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00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: to meet you. Levina. We'll start with you, actually, Levina,

1165
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: because we've just been to Melbourne. It sounds like an

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: awesome place. To be this weekend, the big race of

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: courses on Sunday, and we asked Jason Pine, who's with

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00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: us here at News Talks. Heb earlier what does success

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00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: look like for Liam Lawson? Is he basically just don't crash?

1170
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: Is that summon up?

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00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 13: Yeah? I agree.

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Speaker 24: I mean it's been seven years since New Zealand had

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00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 24: a full time Formula One driver and I think you

1174
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 24: really don't have to love this sport to appreciate what

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 24: Liam Lawson has achieved. And he's got a twenty four

1176
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 24: week season to prove himself a little shaky in that

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00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 24: first practice run, but the thing is the car is

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00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 24: still there. There's loads of pressure on him, but he

1179
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 24: obviously thrives under pressure. And the big thing for me,

1180
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Speaker 24: and also when you conducted that interview, I think the

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00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 24: Australian fans will back him even though he replaced their

1182
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 24: favorite Daniel Ricardo in six races last year. But the

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00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 24: Australians love a butler and Liam Lawson is a butler.

1184
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 24: And I tell you what New Zealand will be gripped

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Speaker 24: watching the race this weekend.

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Speaker 22: How many quis do you think have gone over for

1187
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 22: the weekend because as soon as he got announce Yeah,

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 22: but so many I reckon people would have circled that

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00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 22: one and gone that's the easiest Formula One. It's the debut,

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00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 22: race room and Red Bull and they want to go

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 22: and cheer him on. And as we say there before,

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00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 22: you have plenty of cheers for the Kiwi. Look, he's

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 22: not going to make or break his contract in this

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00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 22: opening weekend. But what he can do is just win

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00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 22: some of those supporters over because there were question marks

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00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 22: not here in New Zealand around whether he should have

1197
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 22: got the seat. We're all for that of course, but

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Speaker 22: around the globe there are a few other options that

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Speaker 22: they maybe could have gone with Red Bull that backed

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Speaker 22: him into the seat. What he can do is start

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00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 22: winning some of those people over around the globe. He's

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Speaker 22: got such a winning personality as well. Liam Lawson really

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Speaker 22: looking forward to seeing him out on track and hoping

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Speaker 22: that the success follows him there too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. What about success for the Warriors tonight in Levena.

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Speaker 24: Oh my goodness. I was in Sydney last week and

1207
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 24: along to the Manly match and they put thirty points

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 24: on the Cowboys and I thought, actually that was the

1209
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 24: best performance of round one. Yes, better than the Broncos,

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00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 24: as everyone else will say, and I know it's a

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Speaker 24: near sellout crowd, but it will be hard going for

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Speaker 24: the Warriors. I just feel as though they're lacking structure

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 24: and attack at the moment, and defensively there were just

1214
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 24: too many holes and Manly are looking strong. I am

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00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 24: glad that Jazz Tebunger gets a chance to play against

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Speaker 24: the Warriors. He played one hundred and thirty matches for

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00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 24: the Warriors, so that will be something exciting for the

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00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 24: fans as well. But the Warriors have only won one

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 24: from six against Manly, one of their last six matches,

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Speaker 24: and I think it'll be one from seven, although I

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00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 24: did mention it's an ear sellout crowd and those loyal

1222
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 24: Warriors fan don't mind too much how they go. But

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00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 24: it would be good to see them do some tackling

1224
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 24: this time against the Raiders. Defense wins game.

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Speaker 22: That would be a start, wouldn't it After what we

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00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 22: saw in Las Vegas where defense filer optional. I agree

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Speaker 22: with you, Leviny, you were very up close, so I

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00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 22: thought that the performance of Manly is very very good.

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Speaker 22: They played that last week. I don't know if the

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Speaker 22: Warriors can stick with them tonight. It's going to be

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01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 22: a dry track in Auckland. The conditions are going to

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 22: be pretty pretty good, and the Warriors just didn't seem

1233
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 22: to have any idea where they needed to be on attack.

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 22: You know, the best half backs, best attacking structures in

1235
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 22: the game. They're looking two players ahead to go, where

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01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 22: do we need to be on tackle five when they're

1237
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 22: in tackle three at that point in time. We didn't

1238
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 22: see that in Las Vegas, didn't see any defensive structure.

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Speaker 22: But those time fans with the Warriors are worth a

1240
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Speaker 22: few points. You just wonder how much they will last.

1241
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 22: The full house signed that the Warriors have become accustomed

1242
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 22: to over the last couple of seasons, ever since they

1243
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 22: got back after COVID, how long that will last if

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01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 22: the results don't follow them. I think this is a

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 22: pretty big back game for the Warriors, and it's the

1246
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 22: only Round two of the season. But they were so

1247
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 22: dismal first up. They need to put something on the board.

1248
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 22: Tonight lacked a lot of omph.

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01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: They plenty of There's a red moon tonight, a blood

1250
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: moon tonight, so I'm thinking that might bring in a

1251
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Speaker 2: Warrior out. Is that good news for bad News. Is

1252
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 2: it an home Goman. I think it's a good omen.

1253
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: I think it's a good omen for the Warriors. Well,

1254
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Speaker 2: we'll have to wait and see. Alliot Smith Levena Good

1255
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: on the Sports Huddle back in just a second.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Tititle with New Zealand South Ofy's International.

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 9: Realty the ones with local and global reach.

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Speaker 2: Eleven to six News Talk ZBB, Elliott Smith, Newstalk zbb's

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01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: voice of Rugby, and Levina Good sports journalist on the

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Speaker 2: Sports Huddle tonight. Joseph Park A lot of chat about

1261
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: this in the last couple of days. Is he going

1262
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: to get Elliott a title shot? And if so, is

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Speaker 2: he going to win it?

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Speaker 22: I think he's capable of. He's had a great second

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01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 22: wind in his career because a few years ago, three

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Speaker 22: or four years ago, maybe a wee bit longer, it

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 22: felt like he was just sort of in the journeyman fights.

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01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 22: He wasn't really getting anything that was going to put

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 22: his name up in lights again after he had lost

1270
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 22: his world title fight and foot Joshua a few years ago.

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Speaker 22: Now he's had a bit of a second wind, and

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 22: you've got a feel for the guy. A couple of

1273
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 22: weeks ago, who's supposed to have that world title fight

1274
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 22: against end Duboia, and then on the morning of or

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 22: sort of, you know, twenty four hours beforehand, they decided,

1276
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 22: if you do sick, he's not going to get it.

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 22: Let's hope that this gets across the line, because he's

1278
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 22: been given the run around a couple of times now

1279
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 22: around his title shot, and I think the promoters have

1280
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 22: done well to not rock the book too much. Because

1281
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 22: boxing's are sport about egos and various things. He said

1282
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 22: the wrong thing, you basically get off side with these people.

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01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 22: So look, I hope he gets a title shot the

1284
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 22: form that he's coming to, the shape that he's in

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01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 22: in the latter stages of his career. I said, latter

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01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 22: of stages. You know, he's still looking very very good.

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Speaker 22: I think he'd win a fight, I really do. I

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01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 22: think he's got the knockout punch that maybe didn't have

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 22: in the early part of his career.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that.

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Speaker 24: Very us Sorry, yeah, I was just gonna say I

1292
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 24: like to make an official apology to Joseph Parker because

1293
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 24: a year and a half ago, I thought he was

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01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 24: just fighting as a journeyman. As Elliott said just for money,

1295
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 24: and then you go twelve twelve months down the line

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Speaker 24: and he defeats John Tay Wilder didn't No one expected

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Speaker 24: him to do that. Jung as well, and then he

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Speaker 24: knocked out for Coli. I mean, it's been a really

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Speaker 24: good run for the last twelve months and if you

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Speaker 24: think about it, Fury is gone, Joshua is no longer

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Speaker 24: in form. He's in the top three. But I don't

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Speaker 24: think this fight will go ahead against Usik because there's

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Speaker 24: not enough money in it for Usik. He'll pick De Bois,

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Speaker 24: He'll get a sellout crowd and make heaps more money.

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Speaker 24: And boxing is so funny, isn't it. Like most sports,

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Speaker 24: when a sanctioning body says you have to do something,

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Speaker 24: you have to do it, but in boxing you don't.

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Speaker 2: It's just such a weird. I'm learning so much about

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Speaker 2: this bizarre sport this week, and how many different federations

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Speaker 2: are there and acronyms. Yeah, goodness me.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Super Rugby season kicked off to a flaming good

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Speaker 2: start and somebody suggesting today I think it was the

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Speaker 2: Napier saying there are only eleven teams.

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Speaker 22: Is that something to do with it quite well be

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Speaker 22: because the Melbourne Rebels dissolved after last year. They couldn't

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Speaker 22: pay their bills, they were in administration, so they're gone.

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Speaker 22: So it's eleven teams, which is an ideal number for

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Speaker 22: the shape of the competition. Ideally you'd have an even

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Speaker 22: number makes it easier for the buyers. But what it

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Speaker 22: has done all the Australian teams have picked off the

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Speaker 22: best Rebels players and they've risen up as a result,

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Speaker 22: and they're more competitive against the New Zealand sides. And

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Speaker 22: I think the New Zealand sides are all relatively even,

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Speaker 22: with perhaps the Chiefs just poping their head up above

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Speaker 22: and being just above the rest of the New Zealand TEMs.

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Speaker 22: It has been really really even. We're four weeks and

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Speaker 22: start a week five tonight and there hasn't been a blowout.

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Speaker 22: There hasn't been a bad game among them, which is

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Speaker 22: very very rare for Super rugby. In recent years. You've

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Speaker 22: had the Rebels being pummeled, you have poor old more

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Speaker 22: Onna Pacifica copping hidings that drew it as well. There

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Speaker 22: hasn't been blowers and each game has been really really close,

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Speaker 22: and at this point of the season there's no whipping Boys,

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Speaker 22: and every team has had at least one loss apart

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Speaker 22: from the Warritas, so it's a great start for the

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Speaker 22: competition and a couple of big Kiwi darby's this weekend

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Speaker 22: that could make or break seasons and will already into

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Speaker 22: Week five. It has been a superb start and I

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Speaker 22: think the reduced number of teams has a lot to

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Speaker 22: do with it.

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Speaker 24: Well, I'm a massive rugby league fan, as most people know,

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Speaker 24: and I never rape about rugby, but after apologizing to

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Speaker 24: Joseph Parker, I have to let the fans know I've

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Speaker 24: really enjoyed the start of the rugby season and I

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Speaker 24: think the rebirth is here and it's mainly because it's

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Speaker 24: competitive and close. Every team has had to win and

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Speaker 24: only four rounds in that's outstanding. Last year the Hurricanes

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Speaker 24: topped the regular season. Now there last I agree condensing

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Speaker 24: that Australian The Australian teams down to foremant that there's

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Speaker 24: more talent pool out there to be chosen from. The

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Speaker 24: Brumbies notched up their first win at Eden Park in

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Speaker 24: twelve years, and the Chiefs are no longer the IT teams,

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Speaker 24: so fewer teams short of season, keep the punters craving

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Speaker 24: for more. And I'm like in the look of the Highlanders,

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Speaker 24: even though I'm in Chiefs Territory.

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Speaker 9: I like the Highlanders.

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Speaker 2: Hey, do you have any idea what they viewer ship

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Speaker 2: numbers are like? I mean, because everyone's been saying it's

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Speaker 2: so great.

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Speaker 22: We've been up up the season. I have percent to

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Speaker 22: join me, but they're up compared to last year, which

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Speaker 22: was up on the year before. So I know that

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Speaker 22: Sky is happy on No New Zealand Rugby is very

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Speaker 22: happy with the way that the season starts.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. So the changes that have been made are actually

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Speaker 2: working out working Yeah, so it can be saved, I

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Speaker 2: think quite possibly.

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Speaker 22: I think you there are a lot of questions when

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Speaker 22: South Africa left and then the rejig of the competition.

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Speaker 22: But we're beginning maybe, and I was a doubter as well,

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Speaker 22: We're beginning now to see maybe the format actually finding

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Speaker 22: its feet.

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Speaker 2: Very cool. We'll look forward to seeing more of it.

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Speaker 2: Alliot Smith and Lavenda Good here on the News Talks

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Speaker 2: HEB Sports Huddle for your Friday night six Away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Four minutes away from six year on News Talks ZIB.

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Speaker 2: Coming up after the news at six o'clock, We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to the guy who invented an artificial heart

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Speaker 2: in Australia, saving lives. A woman one hundred and seventeen

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Speaker 2: years old. She's died. They basically looked into her body.

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Speaker 2: What was behind her longevity. It's her gut health and

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Speaker 2: where did she get her gut health from her genes?

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Speaker 2: She one hundred and seventeen years old. Only problems she

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Speaker 2: had in life were joint pain and hearing loss. Pretty amazing.

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Speaker 25: And she did, yes, Sir Heimi Je come on and

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Speaker 25: buddy Army Jane.

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Speaker 9: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge has insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News Talks at be Good Evening at a seven after

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Speaker 2: six here on Newstalks said be coming up very so

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Speaker 2: per rhaps. The political week for US. Peter lewis our

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Speaker 2: Asia Business correspondent has the latest on the steel and

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01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: aluminium taris heading China. How bad are they heading China?

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Speaker 2: Plus Gavin Gray is in the UK right now. We're

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Speaker 2: heading to Australia. Doctors there have made history this week.

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Speaker 2: Their patient became the first person in the world to

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Speaker 2: live with a mechanical heart for more than one hundred

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Speaker 2: days before receiving a donor heart transplant and been able

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Speaker 2: to live. The artificial heart was invented by Australian engineer

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Speaker 2: doctor Daniel Timms. He is said to be a It

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Speaker 2: is said to be a huge step forward in heart medicine.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Daniel Thims is with me now, gid A, how

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Speaker 2: are you doing really good? Thanks for being with me.

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Speaker 2: Can you describe for our listeners what this artificial heart

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Speaker 2: looks like.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, actually, it looks like something you might pull out

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Speaker 26: of the under the kitchen sink. It looks like a

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Speaker 26: titanium pump. Some people even described it as a nineteen

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Speaker 26: seventy four DUTs in carbaretta. It does not look like

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Speaker 26: an artificial heart, but it absolutely functions like a normal heart.

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Speaker 26: And that's really what the key is and the groundbreaking

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Speaker 26: design of this device.

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Speaker 2: Oh and I want to come to that in sick

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Speaker 2: But how did you come up with the design? That

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Speaker 2: was twenty years ago that you first sort of invented it,

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Speaker 2: And it was to do with your dad right, totally.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, so he was a plumber by training. Unfortunately a

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Speaker 26: round about a stage where I was completing my engineering

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Speaker 26: studies in mechanical engineering, and unfortunately he developed heart failure.

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Speaker 26: So we're like, well, what can I apply my engineering

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Speaker 26: skills too, Maybe try to to work on a pump

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Speaker 26: that might be able to pump the blood around, might

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Speaker 26: be able to help him one day. But together we

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Speaker 26: worked on that for probably five or six years, you know,

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Speaker 26: going bits and bobs, no money at all, but just

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Speaker 26: going to local hardware stores and just trying out different

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Speaker 26: prototypes of what ideas we might be able to make.

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Speaker 26: But yeah, effectively the idea was born out of that backgrounds.

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Speaker 2: What is the hard bit about making an artificial heart?

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Speaker 2: What is the biggest challenge that you face when you're

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Speaker 2: trying to do this?

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Speaker 26: Durability? So you can imagine, and it's so scary, like

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Speaker 26: you're pulling out somebody's heart completely and you put a

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Speaker 26: machine in its place and you're relying on that. Then

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Speaker 26: that machine cannot stop right, so it can't wear out.

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Speaker 26: And our previous artificial hearts they're attempted to mimic the

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Speaker 26: way that the natural heart beats so you have a

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Speaker 26: compress air sack or bladder with four mechanical valves. It's

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Speaker 26: lots of moving parts and squeezing things that can eventually

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Speaker 26: wear out, so they are only used for a bridge,

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Speaker 26: like a temporary support device. What we wanted to do

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Speaker 26: was making sure device that could last forever, and the

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Speaker 26: way we did that was doing away with that squeezing

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Speaker 26: action of the heart and instead used a spinning disc basically,

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Speaker 26: a rapidly spinning disc like an fan or a propeller

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Speaker 26: on the back of a boat to propel the blood forward.

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Speaker 26: And that disc is magnetically levitated, so we use levitations

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Speaker 26: like they do in the trains in Asia, so there's

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Speaker 26: no friction, there's no mechanical where the thing is durable,

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Speaker 26: which is the biggest challenge with an artificial heart.

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Speaker 2: Does it need a battery?

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Speaker 26: It does, so the device is powered through a wire

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Speaker 26: that protrudes through the tummy basically, and it goes off

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Speaker 26: to a lunchbox sized control box that has batteries attached,

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Speaker 26: and those batteries powered the device through that wire.

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Speaker 2: This patient who doesn't want to be named, so we

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Speaker 2: can't use their name, but you've met with this patient.

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Speaker 2: What did it do for them? And how long was

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Speaker 2: it inside them?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, so it was remarkably life changing for the patient.

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Speaker 26: He could barely walk ten meters from his bed prior

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Speaker 26: to the surgery with the artificial heart, and after he

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Speaker 26: got the heart, he had the device for three and

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Speaker 26: a half months, just over one hundred days, and that

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Speaker 26: was enabling him actually to leave the hospital, walk around

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Speaker 26: the streets of Sydney, going shopping, going about his normal

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Speaker 26: daily activities, something that he'd never had a chance to

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Speaker 26: be able to do when he was suffering from heart failure, and.

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Speaker 2: That allowed enough time in order to get a heart transplant.

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Speaker 2: So it's buying time basically.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean, that's the initial stage that we're utilizing

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Speaker 26: the device for, is to buy time until a transplant

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Speaker 26: can be made available and also recover the patient, so

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Speaker 26: all the other organs that are suffering from low blood

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Speaker 26: flow from heart failure get better. But our ultimate goal

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Speaker 26: on the back of their success is to eventually have

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Speaker 26: patients not have to return to the hospital to get

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Speaker 26: a heart transplant at all, and they just remain on.

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Speaker 2: This device for the rest of their life, so one

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Speaker 2: day we might not need human hearts.

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Speaker 26: That's a pretty lofty goal. But at the end of

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Speaker 26: the day as well, like heart transplantation doesn't have its limitation.

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Speaker 26: You know, there's fifty percent survival at ten years do

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Speaker 26: to the anti rejection drugs. You're putting somebody else's heart

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Speaker 26: in your body. The body doesn't know it, it doesn't

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Speaker 26: like it being there, so it tries to reject it.

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Speaker 26: Out go to really reduce your in system in those recipients,

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Speaker 26: and that comes with a lot of complications that end

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Speaker 26: up in you know, not the greatest outcome after a

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Speaker 26: period of time.

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Speaker 2: It's quite a personal thing a heart. Obviously, How does

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Speaker 2: it feel, especially given the history of this with your dad,

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Speaker 2: how does it feel knowing that this man, this patient

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Speaker 2: was walking around with something you invented in them and

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Speaker 2: that was basically keeping them going.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, it was pretty surreal. I mean I've spent a

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Speaker 26: lot of time with the patient over that duration of time,

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Speaker 26: firstly to give him a better confidence that we're there

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Speaker 26: all the time, but also to learn from him. You know,

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Speaker 26: how do you feel, is there anything we can do

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Speaker 26: differently to make your quality of life so we can

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Speaker 26: keep improving it for the next patient. And actually he

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Speaker 26: was brought in entirely to that he felt. And it

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Speaker 26: actually kind of comes out in the fact that he

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Speaker 26: wanted to remain anonymous. Is the fact that he was

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Speaker 26: doing this for himself obviously, but then also for all

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Speaker 26: the patients he could come beyond him. So he brought

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Speaker 26: into the idea of giving us that feedback and understanding

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Speaker 26: of how he was feeling and what we can do

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Speaker 26: into the future.

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Speaker 2: What did he say about how it felt?

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Speaker 26: Actually, we asked him that directly, can you feel it

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Speaker 26: at all? He's like, no, I can't feel it at all.

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Speaker 26: And he said the only time I could hear it

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Speaker 26: was in the dead of the night when I went home.

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Speaker 26: He said, in the hospital there's deeps and all that

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 26: you can't hear, But in the dead of the night,

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Speaker 26: in the middle of the night, kind of could just

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Speaker 26: hear a little bit of a worring, you know, like oooh.

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Speaker 2: And that was about it. Pretty incredible. What's the reaction

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 2: being like to this, to this development, particularly with this patient,

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: but to the invention in general. What's the reaction being

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01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: like from you know, the medical fraternity and from patients.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much providing hope for patients,

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 26: right because there's a lot of patients out there that

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01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 26: just don't have any hope. They're waiting for a heart

1531
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 26: transplant that may not ever come, so yeah, from them,

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01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 26: it gives them that hope. For the medical community, they understand,

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01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 26: for decades people have been trying to develop an artificial

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 26: heart as an alternative to transplant because there just aren't

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01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 26: enough donor organs around for all those that need it.

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Speaker 26: The medical community is extremely excited and you know, bullish

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01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 26: on this kind of technology because artificial heart is durable,

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01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 26: is something that's been out of our grasp for all

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 26: of those decades, and finally there's something available here that

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 26: might be able to challenge the usual standards care of

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Speaker 26: heart fairly patients.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon your date would think of all less, Daniel, Yes,

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01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 2: it'd be pretty.

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 26: He'd be pretty stoked. But yeah, it is you know

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 26: as myself as well, staying humble and knowing there's so

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 26: many milestones that had so you just be is like,

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01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 26: that's a good little milestone, Daniel, but there's still plenty

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Speaker 26: more to co So keep your head down and.

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Speaker 2: Keep working well, keep up the good work, because you're

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: doing good work for all of us. Daniel, really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. That's doctor Daniel Timothy's the inventor, Australian inventor

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Speaker 2: of an artificial heart who's been making headlines around the

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Speaker 2: world this week fourteen after six Now Barry Soper next,

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Speaker 2: wrapping the weekend politics.

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Speaker 2: and playful. So Auckland really is so impressive. So treat yourself,

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Speaker 2: sometime soon, Ryan Bridge, you're on News Talks EV. It's

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Speaker 2: just gone six eighteen. Barry Soper is our sceneiorar political

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Speaker 2: correspondent and he's back to rap the political week. Welcome back, Barry.

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Speaker 8: Nice to be here again.

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01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: Right now.

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01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 2: Luxon is off to India and Winston Peter's off to Washington.

1583
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 2: A couple of big trips.

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Speaker 8: Well they are amazing trips when you consider it, both

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 8: countries extraordinarily important to New Zealand. We look at Winston

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 8: Peter's first. He's on as way to Washington as we speak,

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01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 8: and you know he'll be meeting with Rubio, the Secretary

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 8: of State from the United States. Interestingly, Rubio wasn't one

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 8: part of the envoy that went to essentially talk to

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01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 8: Vladimir Putin about the Yugoslavian about the Ukrainian situation, which

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 8: I found surprising. But nevertheless, Winston will have a word

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01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 8: in his here, and I think he's the right man

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 8: to be doing it, because Winston is very good at diplomacy.

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 8: I've been in Washington with Winston in the past, although

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01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 8: when I went with him was about like where's Wally

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01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 8: in Washington? Because he went there saying he was going

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Speaker 8: to afford to Aprochmont with the United States, and three

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 8: of us went out there to try and find him.

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01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 8: He wouldn't tell us where he was. We caught up

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Speaker 8: with him in John McCain's office, who later became the

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01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 8: Republican nominee for the presidency. McCain was really happy to

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 8: see us, but Winston wasn't. So he'll have a few

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01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 8: media with him this time, and you know, the meetings

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 8: are important for New Zeala to get any exemptions, like

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01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 8: he'll try.

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: I mean, we're obviously trying. And Rosemary Banks's who he

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: brought back yes into that position in Washington, DC, because

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Speaker 2: she has good links with the Republicans. You know, he

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01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: is a smooth operator, Winston.

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Speaker 8: He's a charmer. Yeah, always looks good, always says the

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Speaker 8: right thing. And not at home in politics and that maybe,

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 8: but he's very good on the international stage. I've seen

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01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 8: him operate. But the other important mission, of course is

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Speaker 8: Chris Luckson leading the trade mission to India. Now I've

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Speaker 8: been on several of these, going back to David Longie

1616
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 8: and the Indians really do lay it on and face

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01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 8: to face to the Indians is very important. And when

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 8: you consider that, Nanaiamahota, the former Foreign Minister for the

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 8: Labor Party, sort of threw her hands in the air

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01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 8: and said that I give up with India. You can't

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Speaker 8: give up with the country one point four or five

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Speaker 8: billion people, that's going to be the third biggest economy

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Speaker 8: in the world.

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Speaker 2: Just don't bring your butter in your milk. That's the

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01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: only problem that will be the problem. But you know, look,

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Speaker 2: you've got to start somewhere, don't you.

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Speaker 8: Well, the fact of the matter is the Indians a

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Speaker 8: bit like the Chinese are now, you know, coming into

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 8: the modern world and the becoming much more sophisticated in

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Speaker 8: that country. As an Impovu's country, just like China was

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01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 8: not too long ago, and so you know the dollar

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Speaker 8: can be certainly spent in those countries and New Zealand

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Speaker 8: has to take the opportunity. And if we do get

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Speaker 8: a trade agreement, it will be short of what we

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Speaker 8: would want, not the same as we've got with China.

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Speaker 8: But nevertheless, any trade agreement when we export at the

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Speaker 8: moment one point five percent of our exports to India

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Speaker 8: is worth something.

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Speaker 2: You'd take a non gold plated trade agreement with anyday

1640
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: and you'd be one of them. You'd probably be actually

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01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: one of the first in the world to have one

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Speaker 2: with India too. Now this opinion poll about this week

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01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: the pole that wasn't that great for lux and taking

1644
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 2: it in astride you reckon? How do you reckon? He's

1645
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: feeling about him?

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,839
Speaker 8: Well, you know he won't be happy about it. Luxon

1647
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 8: has been cane from the moment he came into politics. Really,

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Speaker 8: when you consider it, he's only a four year veteran

1649
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 8: of politics, which is really very much a rookie, and

1650
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 8: a year in the Prime minister's job. It's not like

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01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 8: being the chief executive of a company. It's a bloody

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01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 8: hard job because you're particularly in a coalition government, you've

1653
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 8: got to take everybody else into account before any decisions

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Speaker 8: are made.

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Speaker 2: You're right, he has been cane from the outset. I

1656
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 2: was talking to my partner last night and he said,

1657
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I knew the media had it in for

1658
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: him from the Rose Garden. Remember he did those series

1659
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Speaker 2: of interviews in the Rose Garden down in Wellington, the

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Speaker 2: Botanical Gardens, the blood bath at the Rose Garden. It

1661
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Speaker 2: was all about abortion, yes, remember, and they were saying, oh,

1662
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: you know you're anti abortion, You're going to change the laws.

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Speaker 2: I mean there has been a theme, hasn't there when you.

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Speaker 8: Consider that Bill English. You know he got the job

1665
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Speaker 8: of John Key he was anti abortion as well, and

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Speaker 8: he won the election that Justin Dern was anointed by

1667
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Speaker 8: Winston Peterson. He got seven percent more than the Labor Party,

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Speaker 8: So that sort of issue. I think they're not going

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01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 8: to change the law at all. But people have to

1670
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 8: be able to have their own views and that's important

1671
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 8: in politics and anywhere in life. So you know, I

1672
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Speaker 8: think Luxeon has been came from the start. He's found

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01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 8: it very hard. I think, certainly because of the state

1674
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 8: of the economy, and that's not beating a political drum.

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01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 8: That's stating a reality that the final three years of

1676
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 8: the Labor alone government was disastrous for this economy and

1677
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 8: it's taking a lot of putting it back together. And

1678
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 8: of course the realization of the gains won't be seen

1679
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 8: probably hopefully for Luxon's sake, an election year next year.

1680
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 8: Before then, it's still going to be tough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly will be. Barry, thank you for that, Barry Soaper,

1682
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Speaker 2: our senior political correspondent twenty four minutes after six here

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Speaker 2: on News talks 'b our Asia Business correspondent is Peter Lewis.

1684
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: He's with us after the news at six thirty. Be

1685
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Speaker 2: interesting to see how those towersts that Trump's put on

1686
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: they've come into effect now and steal an aluminium, how

1687
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: they're affecting China. He's across all of that for us shortly.

1688
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Speaker 9: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1689
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mair's Insurance and Investments,

1690
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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future, News Talks v six.

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Speaker 2: Seven so Bowel cancer, the screening age. We were talking

1692
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Speaker 2: about this on the show yesterday. If you missed it,

1693
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Speaker 2: they have the government lowered the age to fifty eight

1694
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Speaker 2: for everybody, but in order to pay for that, they

1695
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Speaker 2: had to increase the age from because it was a

1696
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Speaker 2: much lower age from fifty up to fifty eight for

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Speaker 2: Mardi and Pacifica. So the question we were asking yesterday

1698
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Speaker 2: is is what the Minister said true. He said, doesn't

1699
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Speaker 2: matter what race you are, you're at no increased or

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Speaker 2: elevated risk of getting bowel cancer. And this was disputed

1701
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Speaker 2: by doctors. We had it back and forth on the

1702
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Speaker 2: show yesterday. Anyway, we got the numbers from the Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Health. The Ministry of Health basically said that the

1704
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: minister what they told the Minister was right. There's no

1705
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 2: statistically significant difference or greater chance of you getting bow

1706
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Speaker 2: cancer at any age depending on what your race is.

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Speaker 2: That's according to the Ministry of Health. So there you go,

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Speaker 2: deal with that what you will. That made their decision. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they're not moving back on it, and the Minister says

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Speaker 2: it all save an extra one hundred and seventy odd

1711
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Speaker 2: lives over twenty five years. So there you go. Twenty

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Speaker 2: eight after six news talks, that'd be Peter Lewis out

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Speaker 2: of Hong Kong.

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Speaker 1: Next encroaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge with the business hour and mas insurance and investments.

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Speaker 1: Grew your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: The news talks be.

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Speaker 9: You're just feeling down, make.

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Speaker 2: You happy, putting more away from the center news talks

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Speaker 2: EBB on your Friday evening. If you hate the school

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Speaker 2: lunch story, then well I just don't know how to

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Speaker 2: do this other than just give it to you straight.

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Speaker 2: So there was a so called exploding meal that didn't

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Speaker 2: actually explode. And it's not funny. It's not funny. But

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Speaker 2: there's frozen meals. These meals this frozen, rock solid. There

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Speaker 2: were hundreds of them, and they students had two microwaves

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Speaker 2: to try and reheat them, scrambling to reheat them over

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Speaker 2: several hours and weren't ready for lunch time. Now, that

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Speaker 2: is not good enough. That is a breach of the contract,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, because you expect the food to be edible.

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Speaker 2: That is something that you will deal with. But for

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Speaker 2: most of the students and most of the meals it

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Speaker 2: is it seems to be going pretty well. But we

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Speaker 2: don't report that because we're that's what the media does.

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Speaker 2: Just looks at the bad stuff and by the way,

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Speaker 2: if this was any other minister was just talking to

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Speaker 2: Laura about this. If this was any other minister, they

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Speaker 2: would already be gone. They would have already either fallen

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Speaker 2: on their sword or they would have been pushed aside

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01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,879
Speaker 2: by the dear Leader. But because it's this coalition agreement,

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01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 2: it's slightly awkward, and David Semoa doesn't want to relinquish

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Speaker 2: it because then his admitting defeat on the policy, whereas

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Speaker 2: it's just a perception problem. It's an optics problem, and

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister would, ordinarily, if it was one of

1745
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Speaker 2: his MP's just give them the flick, you know. But

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Speaker 2: it's more complicated than that. Twenty three minutes away from

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Speaker 2: seven Bryan Bridge, Peter Lewis is with US our Asia

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Speaker 2: Business correspondent Peter Good Evening, Hi, Ryan. Now the US

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Speaker 2: still and aluminum tariffs come into effect and a China

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01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 2: is going to be affected as well? Is that how badly?

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Speaker 27: Well, it's important because these twenty five percent tariffs don't

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01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 27: have any exemptions, which is upset countries like Australia and Japan,

1753
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 27: which we're hoping they were going to get exempted, but

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01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 27: everyone has to pay them and What's more, it doesn't

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01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,560
Speaker 27: just affect raw steel and aluminium, because Trump has expanded

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 27: these metal tariffs to apply to a wide range of

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Speaker 27: products that contain aliminium and steel. So things like tennis, rackets,

1758
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 27: exercise bikes, furniture, air conditioning units all have tariffs on them.

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01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 27: So that means there's about one hundred and fifty billion

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01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 27: dollars worth of imported consumer goods into the US that

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Speaker 27: get hit with these new tariffs in addition to raw

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01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 27: steel and aliminium. Now this affects China. China's highly vulnerable

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Speaker 27: to the risk of a global trade war because although

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 27: the US directly takes about fifteen percent of China's exports,

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Speaker 27: a lot more goods end up in the US being

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Speaker 27: shipped via third countries like Vietnam, Mexico, Thailand, and so

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Speaker 27: if the US continues to raise tariffs, this will slash

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Speaker 27: quite an important driver of growth for China that's contributed

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Speaker 27: to about a third of China's economic expansion last year.

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Speaker 27: The problem China has it just doesn't really know what

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Speaker 27: it's got to do to please Donald Trump. Because in

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Speaker 27: the case of China, this isn't just about trade deficits

1773
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 27: and moving manufacturing back to the US, boosting US industrial production.

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Speaker 27: They're being blamed for the fentanyl crisis. The US thinks

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Speaker 27: it should do more. China says we've already done a

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01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 27: lot in terms of trying to deal with this, and

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01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 27: this is really your problem. And there were some quite

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01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 27: strong words in fact from the Foreign minister Wang Yi,

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Speaker 27: who called Trump two faced and said what he was

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Speaker 27: doing was just not good for bilateral relations. They haven't

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:04,919
Speaker 27: responded specifically yet to these tariffs, but then interesting development

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01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 27: yesterday was that Chinese government summoned Walmart executives to tell

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Speaker 27: them that they can put pressure on Chinese suppliers to

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Speaker 27: cut their prices. This is one of the ways in

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01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 27: which US importers and retailers could try and deal with

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Speaker 27: Trump tariffs, or China has made it very clear these

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Speaker 27: are your tariffs, these are US tariffs. Don't expect to

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Speaker 27: pass them on to Chinese suppliers because they're not going

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Speaker 27: to pay. So that means really companies like Walmarts and

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Speaker 27: other importers, they only have two ways of doing this.

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Speaker 27: They either absorb the tariffs themselves, which is going to

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01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 27: cut substantially into their profit margins, or they pass it

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Speaker 27: on to US consumers, which is going to be inflationary

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01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 27: or maybe a combination of both. But China has made

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01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 27: it clear, don't come to us and expect us to

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Speaker 27: bear the cost of these tariffs.

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Speaker 2: I do have some sympathy for China in this position

1798
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: because because it's not like Mexico, where it's clear cut

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Speaker 2: what the issue is and that's the border and it's immigration.

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Speaker 2: Here they are saying, and I listened to the press

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Speaker 2: conference from the White House this week, they said, you know,

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Speaker 2: China is getting rich off ventanyl. I mean almost like

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Speaker 2: the government was involved in the shipment of ventanyl, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you respond to that?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, well, well that's been the problem. And they say

1806
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 27: that under the Biden administration they made a lot of

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Speaker 27: progress in cutting the components of fentanyl that were being

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Speaker 27: exported to the US, and that was continuing. So they

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Speaker 27: don't understand why Washington is taking this approach, and if

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Speaker 27: it has a problem, why not talk to us and

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Speaker 27: so that we can try and figure it out what

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Speaker 27: it is we need to do, because at the moment

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Speaker 27: we just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Now Singapore's Deputy Prime Minister is really on the selling

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Speaker 2: path here talking about Asia being the beacon of growth opportunities.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, that's right, and in some ways is right because

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Speaker 27: one of the things about smaller nations like Singapore is

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Speaker 27: that they have to be open to global trade otherwise

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01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 27: they just can't grow their economy and they're very prone

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Speaker 27: to disruption from global supply chains. So you find that

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Speaker 27: a country like Singapore is virtually tariff free, same as

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Speaker 27: Hong Kong. You can export to Hong Kong without any

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Speaker 27: tariffs whatsoever, and they won't go and respond either to

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Speaker 27: US tariffs. And they want to be major open economies.

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Speaker 27: And it may be in some ways, you know, that's

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Speaker 27: the right approach. And there is reasons to be optimistic

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01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,719
Speaker 27: about Southeast Asia because it's going to expand from around

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Speaker 27: fifty percent of the world's GDP to about sixty percent

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Speaker 27: by twenty thirty. And you know, Southeast Asia will be

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Speaker 27: the fourth largest economy in the world within the next

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Speaker 27: few years. And we have here a lot of trade

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Speaker 27: agreements already which have been very effective in cutting or

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Speaker 27: reducing tariffs on a wide range of goods. There's the

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Speaker 27: Asian Trading Goods Agreement that's eliminated almost all tariffs on

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Speaker 27: a whole range of products. We also have regional free

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Speaker 27: trade agreements like the Six Asian Plus, which New Zealand

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Speaker 27: is part of. Is also the Reset Agreement which New

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Speaker 27: Zealand is part of as well, and they have been

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Speaker 27: very successful in reducing tariffs. So really the way for

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Speaker 27: Donald Trump to go is not to go and increase tariffs,

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Speaker 27: but maybe to try and join some of these regional

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Speaker 27: agreements and reduce their own tariffs and get the benefit

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Speaker 27: of tariffs being reduced back. So Singapore is onto something.

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Speaker 2: Here we are after the UK and just a few

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01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: seconds paid. But how are the imports exports looking for China?

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Speaker 2: For genery not good.

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01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 27: Imports fell eight point four percent year on year in

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01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 27: the first two months for January February the data gets

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Speaker 27: combined because of the effect of the China Chinese Lunar

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01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 27: New Year holidays. Now they did grow in December, not much,

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01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 27: by about one percent, but nevertheless, this is the biggest

1852
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 27: decline in exports that we've seen for quite a while.

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01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 27: Imports also fell quite strongly as well, so this gives

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Speaker 27: us a glimpse to how these tariffs are starting to

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01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 27: affect China. Chinese exporters have been trying to get around

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01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 27: this by front loading shipments to the US. But it

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01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 27: does show how vulnerable China is to these tariffs, and

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01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 27: the way out for China is to try and boost

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Speaker 27: its domestic demand, gets consumers spending more and absorb goods

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Speaker 27: into its own economy rather than trying to export them abroad.

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Speaker 2: Nice one, Peter, Thank you for that. Peter Lewis that

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Speaker 2: Asia Business correspondence. It is sixteen minutes away from civil

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Speaker 2: what news talk said b Gavin Gray is in the

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Speaker 2: UK for US next, and we'll continue the theme of

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01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: the tariff theme. It's basically just going around the world

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Speaker 2: and wherever Donald Trump is shooting bullets tariff bullets, we're

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Speaker 2: going to check out on how it's affecting their economies.

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Speaker 2: We're in Europe next, whether it's.

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Speaker 9: Macro microbe or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and

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01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: theirs Insurance and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect Your Future talks.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from seven. We had Dan Mitson out of

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01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 2: the US telling us that they import nine billion dollars

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01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 2: worth of wine into the United States and a lot

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01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: of that coming from the EU. A two hundred percent

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Speaker 2: tariff would be massive. How are they feeling about this

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Speaker 2: over in Europe? How are they feeling in the UK?

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray's our correspondent, Gaven Good evening.

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Speaker 14: I really rattle they are actually the wine producers in

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01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 14: particular France, Italy, Spain or really angry about this, thinking

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01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 14: that they're being unfairly picked upon. Meanwhile, Trump calling the

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01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 14: fifty percent tariff planned on US whisky and nasty tariff,

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01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 14: saying it's a hostile and abusive and has accused the

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Speaker 14: European Union of being formed for the sole purpose of

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01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 14: taking advantage of the United States. Well, that is where

1886
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Speaker 14: the European Central Bank President Christine Leguard has stepped in.

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01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 14: She's a very senior figure in the world banking industry

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01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 14: and she's of course European, but says the EU had

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01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 14: no choice but to retaliate, saying everyone's going to suffer

1890
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 14: and if the dispute develops into a full brelogne trade war,

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01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 14: that will be very very serious, as you can imagine.

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01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 14: But she's certainly lending her support to Europe on this

1893
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 14: and has described his comments about the europe being created

1894
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 14: almost for the sole reason of taking advantage to the US.

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01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:53,799
Speaker 14: She said that is just historically inaccurate and frankly nonsense.

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Speaker 14: So a great deal of concern from alcohol producers here,

1897
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 14: both in the UK, Ireland, Irish whisky of course, a

1898
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 14: massive export to America as well, But mostly it did

1899
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 14: those continental wine producers who are most fearful of this

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01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 14: massive tariff threat.

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Speaker 2: And you just don't know where the next going to

1902
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 2: be put, do you. I mean that's the other problem.

1903
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 2: Is there a sense that you might have actually dodged

1904
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 2: not being in the EU anymore, that you might have

1905
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 2: kind of dodged a bullet. I know you're getting steel

1906
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 2: and aluminium like everyone else, but.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think there is there's the hope that, if anything,

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01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 14: this may expedite trade talks, but of course might expedite

1909
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 14: them to our disadvantage. But either way, I think a

1910
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 14: lot of people think we really need to get these

1911
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 14: trade deals sorted out. It's taken so long following Brexit

1912
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 14: for two countries that are supposed to be good friends

1913
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 14: and getting along. This trade deal between America and the

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01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,759
Speaker 14: UK has been, you know, just plodding along at snail

1915
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 14: like pace, taking so long, and certainly it would seem

1916
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 14: that former Presidents Joe Biden and to a certain extent

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01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 14: as well, Barack Obama. We're in absolutely no rush to

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01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 14: get that underway. Indeed was Barack Obama who famously said

1919
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 14: after Brexit that the UK would be at the back

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01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 14: of the queue awaiting its turn for this trade deal

1921
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Speaker 14: to actually take place.

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01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 2: That's right. What about this un judge who's been convicted

1923
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 2: in the UK forcing a young woman to work as

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01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: a slave.

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01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 18: Yeah, so she's a.

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Speaker 14: High court judge in Uganda as well. Forty nine year

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01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 14: old Lydia mcgumby has, according to prosecutor, has taken advantage

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Speaker 14: of her status over her victim. She basically forced a

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Speaker 14: young woman to work as a slave for her in

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Speaker 14: the UK, and she's now been found guilty of conspiring

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Speaker 14: to facilitate the commission of a breach of UK immigration law,

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Speaker 14: facilitating travel with a view to exploitation, forcing someone to work,

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Speaker 14: and conspiracy to intimidate a witness. She's going to be

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Speaker 14: sentenced at the start of May. And in footage released

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Speaker 14: by police which was taken into court, she seemed absolutely

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Speaker 14: stunned when an officer said that she was being arrested

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Speaker 14: under the modern Slavery Act, saying I'm a judge in

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Speaker 14: my country, I have immunity. I'm not a criminal, but

1939
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Speaker 14: she nevertheless has been found guilty here and this is

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Speaker 14: all about how she was allegedly kept a woman to

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Speaker 14: work for her of her home, almost like for free

1942
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Speaker 14: childcare as it were. And it's something that the police

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Speaker 14: have really been clampig down on, actually, the numbers of

1944
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Speaker 14: people being brought into the UK with the promise of

1945
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Speaker 14: a great job and then effectively having their passports taken

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Speaker 14: off them in some instances, being told they can't leave

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Speaker 14: the house, and then being forced to work very very

1948
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Speaker 14: long hours but very very little, if any money.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, thank you for that. Givin Gray, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Time is eight minutes away from seven Here on news

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto for See allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 2: News Talk zib it is four minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Big weekend this week in Liam Lawson is Annection in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in the Hurricanes, so I think it's probably

1957
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Speaker 2: got to start playing the lame o Hurricanes. Will they

1958
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Speaker 2: shake that Moniker? If they're sitting this week, We'll have

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Speaker 2: to wait and see, and also we'll have to wait

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Speaker 2: and see what Putin does with the CISFI ideal, whether

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Speaker 2: he's going to play ball or whether he's going to

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Speaker 2: delay and keep fighting. Of course, everyone's hoping for peace

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Speaker 2: for Ukraine. And it's what are we going out to tonight?

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Speaker 10: Ignite by She had to play us out tonight. Ryan

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Speaker 10: Homegrown Festival has got underway in Wellington, but today is

1966
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Speaker 10: kind of just the teaser. It's all the main events

1967
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Speaker 10: are really on tomorrow and one of the big ones

1968
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Speaker 10: will be she Hard playing at nine point thirty five

1969
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Speaker 10: on the Rock Stage for their final show together as

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Speaker 10: a band until they'llevitably get back together in a few years.

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Speaker 23: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 10: Apparently at their show during the week they did like

1974
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Speaker 10: three encres which all seemed pretty off the cuff because

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Speaker 10: they just wanted to keep playing and playing and playing.

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Speaker 10: So I don't know if this is a band that's

1977
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Speaker 10: actually really to split up, but we'll see where they go.

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Speaker 2: Thing is, if you loved playing music, you're never going

1979
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Speaker 2: to not stop loving at at you.

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Speaker 10: But fair enough, John Tugod did he wants to spend

1981
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Speaker 10: all time with his kids, which is really fair enough.

1982
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Speaker 10: But they wouldn't be the first one anyway.

1983
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Speaker 2: Sad thing about all of that home ground is basically

1984
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Speaker 2: saying Wellington's lameo as well, aren't they They'll leave, this

1985
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Speaker 2: is their final, it's their final.

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Speaker 10: Better for backhanded complement from them, yeah, saying like yeah,

1987
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Speaker 10: well there's nowhere else we can do a big festival,

1988
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Speaker 10: so we've got to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: See yea. All right, that's it today, bron Thank you

1990
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Speaker 2: so much for listening, Have a fantastic weekend and I

1991
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Speaker 2: will see you on Monday afternoon.

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Speaker 12: Everybody cares ever, everybody is good, Everyone in love with you,

1993
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Speaker 12: and everybody's that's nobody there.

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Speaker 1: With you, and everybody cares if everyone says true.

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Speaker 7: Everybody everyone's um with you, and everybody's rob you.

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Speaker 9: Listen, nobody in the.

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Speaker 7: Let's keep it wait moment, Wait, moment, waited for the moment.

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