1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: While we're being skeptical about things. Let's go to Murray. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Old's the Australia correspondent who joins us Now, Murray, good afternoon. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Hi Wryng, good afternoon to you. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Now. Albaneze has made an announcement about hate speech laws. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: What's he said, Well, look, it's a whole lot. There's 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: been a sort of a massive info dump today from 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: the government under pressure. I saw the interview last night 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Josh Fridenberg. 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: He's Jewish. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: He was very, very upset. He was at Bondai yesterday, 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 2: bondeou Beach, met other Jewish leaders, attended a funeral. He 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: was well wound up personally, deeply, deeply affected. But for 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: him to say there's no politics in this is patently ridiculous. 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm not in any way diminishing the deep feelings of 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: grief and sorrow and whatever word you want to use. 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: Freedenburg and the Jewish community here are deeply traumatized. But 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: it's just wrong to say there's no politics in this. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: We'll have a look at that moment. ALBINIZI not at 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: the funeral of the little girl, the youngest victim, ten 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: years old, but Susan Lee is. Now that's clearly political. 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: But anyway back to your point, and there's a whole 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: suite of measures. The government will step up fight against 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: any Semitism. People are saying, where the hell was it 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: in the last two years. He also admits he in 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: a government could have done a whole lot more to 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: combat the hate that's fested within the community. The target 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: now will be hate preachers, these people who use the 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: net to spread these evil messages to their weird followers. 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: Penalties for hate speech to be amped up. Hate will 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: be an aggravating factor now to be considered by judges 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: and magistrates in sentencing for those convicted online threats and harassment. Plus, 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: the government's going to draw up a program to list 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: organizations that are found to promote hatred and division much 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: tougher visa checks Ryan to know, to potentially weed out 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: these dreadful people to want to come here and divisioned 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: and maybe even go further. There's to be an education 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: task force to make sure education that the system has 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: the tools to respond to antisemitism. You know, an Australian universities, 39 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: not all of them Jewish students have to go and 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: study in secure areas within the campus. 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: Me it'sis ridiculous. This is Australia. It's not the bloody 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: Middle East. The government says this is brand new legal 43 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: territory for it, and it is. But you do get 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: the feeling it's playing catch up after the dreadful events 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: of last Sunday, very much playing catchup. 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: And an over correction. You know, are you at risk 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: of that of an overcorrection given the pressure is under. 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: I don't think as anyone in this country is going 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: to say you can overcorrect too much. Not what we 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: saw on Sunday. This country has been changed forever on 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: the back of what happened on Sunday. I think there's 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: been a lot of a lot of soul searching. A 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: lot of people, me included, thought, oh, it will never 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: happened here. We're far too far away from the hotbeds 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: of around the rest of the world. Well, that bubble 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: was well and truly pricked last weekend was murried. 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: The funeral situation you mentioned it briefly, was was he 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: invited was Elbow invited to the funeral and didn't go like, 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: what's it's very. 60 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's been pardon me portrayed here today. His office 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: did not reach out to the family of this little 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: girl who died last Sunday. The family was on the 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: record very very angry at what it believed to be 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: the government's failure to tackle anti Semitism. So his office said, 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: we did not want to offend the family. We didn't 66 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: want to upset them any more than they're already upset 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: for goodness sake, so we did not put that call in. 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: Tanya Tanya Plibasek, who is a government front bencher. Her 69 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: electorate is where the little girl's grandparents lived, so she's 70 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: there in that capacity representing the federal government. Susan Lee, 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: the opposition leader, is also there at the funeral today 72 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: and she went through the office of Liberal frontbencher Julian Lisa, 73 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: who was himself a Jew. He or his officer, i 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: should say, contacted the family may we please attend and 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: they said yes, of course, come along. So Susan Lee 76 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: is there and the Prime Minister is not. 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: Murray appreciate that. Murray Old's are Australia correspondent. 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