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Speaker 4: Hello, We're on the front foot again and this week
Speaker 4: the new boys upstay the retiring veterans Jimmy Gibbon an
Speaker 4: emotional farewell at the home of cricket.
Speaker 3: Our White Guns remain windless with one to play in England.
Speaker 4: What have they achieved and who wins the title of
Speaker 4: the best West Indian Quick over the last fifty years?
Speaker 4: You know favorites like you'd have some favorites Jerry of
Speaker 4: the West Indian Quick that you have really loving memories
Speaker 4: and printed on your brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got that black book wards. It's full of
Speaker 2: names and most of them's I would have to say.
Speaker 2: We Westerns. Yeah, there were a lot of them. They
Speaker 2: sort of they lived under the stand. They used to
Speaker 2: throw them bits of raw meat during the week and
Speaker 2: they'd come out on Saturdays, you know it, and the
Speaker 2: swathes of them. It was the first It was the
Speaker 2: first five or six onto the ground that were in
Speaker 2: the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you got that scene mark still imprinted on
Speaker 4: your body when that but one had you in in Jamaica.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. It went through the it
Speaker 2: went through the armed guard actually, so it might be
Speaker 2: on a mark on that, but I mean, I've got
Speaker 2: very strong skin words. But but yeah, it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. You got to You've got to really when
Speaker 2: you play for New Zealand. But yeah, that there were
Speaker 2: a few of them. Don't worry. I'm sure I'll think
Speaker 2: of one by the time we get there on the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, we're going to get Andrew Mason back. He doesn't
Speaker 4: want to talk about the first Test match, but I
Speaker 4: asked him about face starling and we'll get him back shortly.
Speaker 4: But what he did tell us last week was the
Speaker 4: West Indian batting was a little suspect. I think that
Speaker 4: was being quite generous, wasn't it that it was a
Speaker 4: little suspect they were They were just dreadful. Weren't they
Speaker 4: playing a Test metch against England?
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. It wasn't good viewing. I've had two
Speaker 2: thoughts about that because there, you know, they've also started
Speaker 2: to promote the whole thinking about should the West and
Speaker 2: He's be playing Test cricket? I mean that's really the
Speaker 2: underlying one thought I had. But the first thought is,
Speaker 2: you know, just let's be a bit careful about this.
Speaker 2: There have been thrashings in Test cricket before, haven't there.
Speaker 2: And you've only got to go back and see probably
Speaker 2: the best day's viewing of cricket maybe in the whole year,
Speaker 2: was created by the West Indies, wasn't it when they
Speaker 2: played against Australia at the absolutely when in Smith was commentating,
Speaker 2: and you know that was a fantastic effort to come
Speaker 2: back after a thrashing. They were thrashed in the first
Speaker 2: Test at Adelaide and then they came back and won
Speaker 2: by what it was single figures, wasn't it in that
Speaker 2: second Test at Brisbane? And in twenty seventeen I remember
Speaker 2: in England actually when England played the first Test and
Speaker 2: beat them just as comfortably as they did in this matter.
Speaker 2: England got about five hundred and plenty and Westernies one
Speaker 2: sixty and one thirty and then they went up to
Speaker 2: Leeds in two thousand and seventeen to play the second
Speaker 2: Test England. I think West Indies battered first, maybe did they?
Speaker 2: No West Indies bad at last? Yeah, exactly. Western He's
Speaker 2: got about, you know, four to twenty in the first
Speaker 2: innings with a lead, needed three hundred and twenty to
Speaker 2: win and passed at five down. It was old Brathwaite
Speaker 2: who's still there. He got a ninety in the second
Speaker 2: innings and one hundred in the first and Hope got
Speaker 2: one hundreds of each innings, so they won by five wickets.
Speaker 2: Hell of a good effort. So I know that this
Speaker 2: is a different side. I realized that there are so
Speaker 2: many of these guys who are really just entering their careers,
Speaker 2: so it may be a little bit different. But you know,
Speaker 2: let's just wait and see see what happens, because I mean,
Speaker 2: otherwise you start to get some of the you know,
Speaker 2: the mood that's been coming out of England. It seems
Speaker 2: to me is more we can't rate these players, we
Speaker 2: can't even judge them because they're so early in their careers,
Speaker 2: and therefore it's Test cricket is suddenly falling apart, and
Speaker 2: I'm not that keen to go down that line, to
Speaker 2: be really honest with you. I mean, they didn't prepare
Speaker 2: that very well for the tour, did they. It's hard
Speaker 2: nowadays with the schedule that there is, but I would
Speaker 2: have thought other countries can just help a bit, maybe
Speaker 2: give them a bit longer preparation to go over so
Speaker 2: especially a team like that West Indies side. It's very
Speaker 2: hard as a batsman to go to England, you know,
Speaker 2: for the first time and player moving ball. We could
Speaker 2: see over that T twenty. It's hard enough playing at home,
Speaker 2: isn't it for them? The way the ball was bouncing,
Speaker 2: you know, So you know, and maybe they could play
Speaker 2: instead of they had one game, a three day game.
Speaker 2: Maybe they could play a team, yeah exactly. Maybe they
Speaker 2: could play a couple of games. Maybe they could maybe
Speaker 2: could someone provide some assistance if it was requested, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of coaches could come in and help their coaches,
Speaker 2: or coming and help some of their players. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but surely something could be done to try and assist
Speaker 2: teams that are struggling at the moment.
Speaker 4: Well, they need to get the opportunity to play cricket
Speaker 4: and prepare for it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the.
Speaker 4: Same story as far as I'm concerned about our White
Speaker 4: Fans team. You know, are they doing the right things
Speaker 4: in terms of preparing for playing in England. They're finding
Speaker 4: the same issues the inability to deal with playing England
Speaker 4: in England. And I think that that's probably what some
Speaker 4: of these new young West Indian players because there's a
Speaker 4: bit of talent there. We've seen them bad. Athenas is
Speaker 4: not a bad player, and they've got a few of them.
Speaker 4: But when you come up against England and England it's
Speaker 4: it's very difficult. I mean, is Atkinson and you've seen
Speaker 4: these guys Atkinson and Smith who were the stars the
Speaker 4: young fellows. Is Atkinson that good or is it just
Speaker 4: at the West and he's batting was woeful?
Speaker 2: Well, I think mainly the second wards Atkinson doesn't really
Speaker 2: tear other you know, first class teams apart. He bowls
Speaker 2: you know, sort of high eighties. So there is pace
Speaker 2: there and that and Key and McCullum has said, haven't
Speaker 2: they They want to have some pace on the onto
Speaker 2: the surface of the pitch and he showed a bit
Speaker 2: of that, got a bit of luck early had a
Speaker 2: good toss, didn't that was a good toss to win?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And and the game wasn't competitive. But I
Speaker 2: mean we've also got to remember at the same time,
Speaker 2: don't forget we've seen one side of games the other
Speaker 2: way around, haven't we. Right through the seventies and the eighties,
Speaker 2: the Westerndies cruised around the world cleaning everybody up. You know,
Speaker 2: they had top batsmen, They had a battery of clicks
Speaker 2: and it didn't matter what sort of pitch she prepared
Speaker 2: against them. So did we say then that cricket was over?
Speaker 2: You know, that Test cricket was finished, and we're going
Speaker 2: to cut half of them out. Suddenly half the team's out,
Speaker 2: you know, take it easy for a moment. I think
Speaker 2: what we did. And of course was complained about the
Speaker 2: number of bounts as they bowled and how hard it
Speaker 2: was to score.
Speaker 4: Yes, and their overrates which were about thirteen twelve an hour,
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, they've got to be they've got
Speaker 4: to be given a bit of a chance, these players.
Speaker 4: The one issue, of course, is that the interest is
Speaker 4: not there in test cricket because of.
Speaker 3: The white ball game.
Speaker 4: And that was something that Andrew Mason spoke about last week,
Speaker 4: and they've got to be able.
Speaker 3: To play some of these games.
Speaker 4: They don't have the players going playing county cricket like
Speaker 4: the sides of the eighties and nineties, Greenwage, Haynes, etc.
Speaker 2: Etc.
Speaker 4: Richard, you know all those players were playing in the
Speaker 4: county game, so they had some experience. Jamie Smith, you
Speaker 4: spoke about him, We can see why they chose him.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily a better keeper than folks, but with the bat,
Speaker 4: he's going to be the kind of man they want,
Speaker 4: isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought he kept quite well. Lords is quite
Speaker 2: a tricky place to keep wicked. Actually, it's one of
Speaker 2: those grounds like like christ Church used to be as well.
Speaker 2: Wally would tell us about that. He used to just
Speaker 2: get him very just to look over at me at
Speaker 2: second slip and his eyes would just open up because
Speaker 2: the ball would actually not only just swerve nerves quite
Speaker 2: often you see it swinging after it pictures and passing
Speaker 2: the stumps, which it does at Lord's, but it also
Speaker 2: can go up and down, which is even worse. But
Speaker 2: I thought Smith for quite a tall man. He's over
Speaker 2: six feet. You know, he moved quite well. He seemed
Speaker 2: to take most of it, all right. He took a
Speaker 2: low catch and I thought, you know, he's looking okay
Speaker 2: with the gloves for the time that he's had to
Speaker 2: do it really and then of course he's a proper
Speaker 2: batsman and he batted a bit with the tail and
Speaker 2: so yeah, I thought he had a good match. In fact,
Speaker 2: as you say, the two guys you've mentioned had good matches,
Speaker 2: didn't they for them? The other person I would mention,
Speaker 2: just very briefly, is there Stokes playing as an all
Speaker 2: round her again makes a hell of a difference. He's
Speaker 2: been bowling a lot for Durham long spells. It seems
Speaker 2: that his knee opera is okay. He looks quite lean,
Speaker 2: he doesn't look to be over you know, sort of
Speaker 2: Muscley and that sort of thing as well. And it's
Speaker 2: a very different England side with Stokes as a full
Speaker 2: all rounder i think.
Speaker 4: And the ability to bowl just those extra overs. He
Speaker 4: looked as he was going to overdo it at one
Speaker 4: stage there, but they won the game quite comfortably by
Speaker 4: an innings. Anderson, well he's out. It's been replaced by
Speaker 4: thirty four year old Mark Wood. He's going to share
Speaker 4: the new ball with Atkinson. And thirty five year old Wokes.
Speaker 4: Now they wanted to fifty five thirty five?
Speaker 3: Did I say fifty five?
Speaker 2: Well that's really pushing it, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder when he's leaving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well I'll put that down as a thirty
Speaker 4: five and a fox pass. But they wanted they wanted
Speaker 4: a new group of younger players to bring in Wood.
Speaker 4: Seems a little bit strange. Will he be in Australia
Speaker 4: for the Ashes? Wokes might be there, but Wokes is
Speaker 4: really only an England bowler, isn't he. We talked about
Speaker 4: that last week too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think Wokes will be in the Australian
Speaker 2: touring party. He is pretty much England centric unless you
Speaker 2: go to I mean he could come and play against
Speaker 2: New Zealand, couldn't he where you have similar conditions. But
Speaker 2: other than that, it doesn't seem to work for Chris
Speaker 2: Wokes good back too, lower down. He strengthens that as well.
Speaker 2: So they like him, but I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: long term things when you know, we need consider to
Speaker 2: go to Australia. I don't know. They played, you know,
Speaker 2: just steadily, didn't they. Anderson's been a terrific, terrific bowler
Speaker 2: as an exceptional bowler. And England do that pomp and ceremony,
Speaker 2: that cheerio very well. They love doing that all the crowd.
Speaker 3: Lord.
Speaker 2: You know his longevity and his fitness levels and skill
Speaker 2: sets in you know, whether it's swinging the ball or
Speaker 2: seeming the ball or wobbling the ball nowadays, or reversing
Speaker 2: the ball because he had to learn to do that
Speaker 2: and he only after what one hundred and eighty eights
Speaker 2: was going for two point seven runs and over, So
Speaker 2: that tells you how accurate he has been right throughout,
Speaker 2: how he's reinvented himself, you know, all that stuff. Consistency
Speaker 2: of pace, you know, when everything's put together, he's got
Speaker 2: to be up there, doesn't he And you know he'll
Speaker 2: settle into his career. Now. Do you like the way
Speaker 2: that he's going to be throwing a next Test as
Speaker 2: a coach or as a someone to lean on? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Mentalor yeah?
Speaker 4: Well it was it was an emotional moment. He's been
Speaker 4: around the cricket scene for a long time. We didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to see much of Shobashir in the
Speaker 4: Test match.
Speaker 2: It was he wasn't born.
Speaker 3: When he wasn't born when Jimmy Anderson made his Test.
Speaker 2: Aboot, I didn't know. That's right. You go and field
Speaker 2: at fine leg go and field down at fine legs.
Speaker 3: Son, Yeah, breakfast, you're throwing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was It was interesting.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because the the Anderson retirement is great for
Speaker 4: the statisticians and I don't mind a few statistics every
Speaker 4: now and again. That when you think he bowled forty
Speaker 4: thousand balls in Test cricket, forty thousand and yeah, dumbody
Speaker 4: did a calculation that it was the equivalent of bowling
Speaker 4: about four hundred and nine three kilometers judging by his
Speaker 4: run up. Didn't include any of the times he ran
Speaker 4: in and didn't deliver because the batsman wasn't ready there,
Speaker 4: and it was it was a basic map of the
Speaker 4: England Test match grounds, walking the distance between Lords and
Speaker 4: Durham Wedness. That's yeah, yeah, that's that's how they love
Speaker 4: their statistics. In terms of the the fact that he
Speaker 4: played with one hundred and nine other players during his
Speaker 4: Test career, do you remember some of them?
Speaker 3: I don't remember the likes of Simon Kerrigan.
Speaker 2: Simon Kerrigan. Was he a spinner? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Ashmah, Chazzad and just Bowler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all played Test matches along with Jimmy Anderson.
Speaker 4: There's one I do know, but I didn't realize he'd
Speaker 4: played a match because he played club cricket here in Wellington,
Speaker 4: Scott Forthwick who played a one Test match for England.
Speaker 3: They got threshed in Australia.
Speaker 4: It was an Ashes Test match and I cannot, for
Speaker 4: the life of me remember him playing it. I actually
Speaker 4: had to look it up to see why he played.
Speaker 4: So there's one hundred and nine of them played while
Speaker 4: Jimmy Anderson was available to play for England from his debut.
Speaker 4: Amazing really when you think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. No, he's certainly been an important figure
Speaker 2: right throughout well When did he start two thousand and
Speaker 2: three or something like that, wasn't it. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 2: a little interview was a NASA Hussain who went in
Speaker 2: and had a chat with him. In the changing room.
Speaker 2: It was almost absolute silence in the changing room. No
Speaker 2: one was showering, no one was throwing things around, no
Speaker 2: one was swearing, and it was it was. It was.
Speaker 2: It was quite eerie actually, because you don't often you
Speaker 2: don't often get a really quiet changing room unless you've
Speaker 2: been thrashed.
Speaker 3: That was respect, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: It was really yeah? It was so so yeah, so
Speaker 2: he's and it was it was interesting how that kind
Speaker 2: of and the performance of Atkinson sort of went, you know,
Speaker 2: twelve wickets went under the radar really in the out
Speaker 2: the back. So but that was that was okay. I
Speaker 2: don't mind that at all. He'll he's probably done quite
Speaker 2: a lot to get himself, you know, a few Test
Speaker 2: matches now if he can stay fit. But I do think, well,
Speaker 2: I do hope that the West Indies, you know, prepare
Speaker 2: a wee bit better. You can't test cricket was it's
Speaker 2: just not as easy as T twenty. So you've got
Speaker 2: to prepare properly. You've got to give it your attention.
Speaker 2: You've got to give the test match what it deserves,
Speaker 2: you know, and I know schedules tough and naturally, but
Speaker 2: if you don't look after those things, you know, you
Speaker 2: get those sorts of games where suddenly everyone says, oh, tests,
Speaker 2: tests are dying, and those sorts of things. But I
Speaker 2: don't think I don't think it is. I hope that
Speaker 2: they can just withhold on all that kind of discussion
Speaker 2: that they did have after that we're now going because
Speaker 2: they had a didn't They have a big meeting there
Speaker 2: for one day prior to the match where they all
Speaker 2: discussed and they got all the notables in the discuss
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with Test cricket And
Speaker 2: what they came up was in the end was that
Speaker 2: they were going to only have sixteens playing Test cricket
Speaker 2: in the next three years. And I really hope that
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen. The interesting thing, of course, if you
Speaker 2: took it now, England would not be in the top six.
Speaker 2: If you took them from the West that the Test Championship.
Speaker 2: They are bottom of the tape at the moment, so
Speaker 2: it would be very interesting there they are in England
Speaker 2: discussing the same we're only going to have six. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd like it if they suddenly had
Speaker 2: a look at where they were positioned themselves and in
Speaker 2: fact the West Indies would be in the top six.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So sadly, that of course is the business of
Speaker 4: the money people over the cricket people, isn't it. And
Speaker 4: the money people want to make those sorts of decisions.
Speaker 3: Cricket people have.
Speaker 4: A vastly different view of the game. And you know
Speaker 4: we've seen that there was a survey done that Test
Speaker 4: cricket is still the most important part of the player's mind,
Speaker 4: but that T twenty is perhaps overcoming one day cricket.
Speaker 4: I want to get Andrew Mason back because while Anderson
Speaker 4: was preparing for his final Test match, people in the Caribbean,
Speaker 4: the fans there were defending their pace bowlers of the
Speaker 4: past fifty years and the content that Anderson was a
Speaker 4: better ball on any of those who graced the West
Speaker 4: Indian Arena. Somebody gave a point of view with Brian
Speaker 4: Lara who called him the best fast bawler whoever played
Speaker 4: the game, the greatest fast baller of the game. I
Speaker 4: just wonder whether Brian Larrad had a few too many
Speaker 4: bounces bowled at him in the nets and some of
Speaker 4: them had perhaps connected with his helmet. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: hard to argue with the stats of Anderson's contribution to
Speaker 4: the game and stad on the resilience ability he had
Speaker 4: over the last last twenty one years. I've got Andrew
Speaker 4: Mason on the phone again. He rejoins us this week.
Speaker 4: Where does he stand on the issue of anyone who
Speaker 4: can surpass Anderson.
Speaker 6: Milchael Marshall, the great Malcolm Marshall. Yeah, it was easy,
Speaker 6: but we're not hesitation, you know. I would have seen
Speaker 6: Malcolm Marshall play local cricket in Barbados. In fact, he
Speaker 6: actually used to. He was a batsman, you know, and
Speaker 6: for a local team called Banks were worked and you
Speaker 6: know we're coming ball some medium pace and bat and
Speaker 6: he developed into a fantastic bowler for the West City's,
Speaker 6: very very heady, good control. In fact, so Clive Lloyd
Speaker 6: told me only recently that whenever they had a meeting,
Speaker 6: whenever Malcolm Marshall spoke, you can hear a pin drop
Speaker 6: because of his vast knowledge of the game. And the
Speaker 6: thing about Malcolm Marshall was that he was able to
Speaker 6: bowl on on on on any surface. He was quick
Speaker 6: as you know the one on bandick in England when
Speaker 6: he came out and and got and bowling the note. Basically,
Speaker 6: So when you look at Malcolm Marshall, very sharp, a
Speaker 6: good monkser and and you can almost see him thinking
Speaker 6: of batsman. So I would say that Malcolm Marshall would
Speaker 6: be the one that I would pick as my favorite.
Speaker 6: What I would say as well, is that I remember
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety name but he was obviously on the decline.
Speaker 6: I was at Sabina Parker and a gentleman said, Marshall,
Speaker 6: the game will leave you. But what he really meant
Speaker 6: was that Marshall leave the game. But that's the baby
Speaker 6: speak in the Caribbean. And we then went to Border
Speaker 6: now Borders, you know as the batsman's paradise, and in
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety one Malcolm Marshall picked up five wickets Australia
Speaker 6: were defeated in an excellent spell of fast balling. I
Speaker 6: mean Border looked like perf. He boes so quickly because
Speaker 6: he was under pressure, and it really really showed me
Speaker 6: then that Malcolm Marshall, the great, great fast baller that
Speaker 6: he will always be, you know, really showed his true colors. There.
Speaker 6: There's also another guy, Malcolm Marsha number one. He doesn't
Speaker 6: get the credit that he deserves. In fact, some people
Speaker 6: questioned whether he's great. Courtney Andrew Watch and the reason
Speaker 6: why I say a Watch would have to feature. Watch
Speaker 6: started out as a support Border and as his career developed,
Speaker 6: ended up being a straight bowler.
Speaker 2: Watch was the.
Speaker 6: One that did the donkey work. I mean, on any pitch,
Speaker 6: watch will be there for you. I've seen Courtney watch
Speaker 6: balling for the best. Cindy's on some dead pitches across
Speaker 6: the world, particularly at border, and his energy and his
Speaker 6: commitment is really really worthy of commendation. But to answer
Speaker 6: your question, Malcolm Denzil Marshall is my pick.
Speaker 4: I won't get too much argument from anybody then, because
Speaker 4: I totally agree with whatever you say. The interesting thing
Speaker 4: about what you mentioned though, in terms of Walsh and Marshall, Walsh, Ambrose,
Speaker 4: Holding roberts Ganna all tore men more into the pitch
Speaker 4: than perhaps Malcolm Marshall, who you swing and pace. He
Speaker 4: didn't have quite the height that those ballers said, did he.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting because he was a relatively small man,
Speaker 6: like like Shama Joseph. I mean he generated all the paces. Oh,
Speaker 6: it is true that he started. But when you look
Speaker 6: at the chants of Westin, Michael Holland was tall and slim,
Speaker 6: Sandel Robertson was tall, broad shoulder. Look at Joe Garner,
Speaker 6: the big bird, you know he wasn't as quick. He
Speaker 6: was Lethal holling Croft, big strong guy. Wayne Daniel who
Speaker 6: only paid a couple of Test matches. I mean, can
Speaker 6: you imagine when Daniel know he would perhaps pare one
Speaker 6: hundred test matches. So we had some very big, strong
Speaker 6: men bailling for the best season. The problem though, that
Speaker 6: we have brand is that we do not have fast
Speaker 6: ballers in the Caribbean that we had before, and that
Speaker 6: is the major worry. In fact, only recently cricket Wessons
Speaker 6: were trying to get some of the former greats to
Speaker 6: go wrong the Caribbean to try to find fast ballers
Speaker 6: because it is where we were successful. And in my view,
Speaker 6: ontil we get fast ballers again ninety miles an hour,
Speaker 6: we're going to struggle.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I'm sure a lot of people are quite
Speaker 4: happy about that, having to avoid the place bollers of
Speaker 4: ninety miles.
Speaker 3: An hour plus.
Speaker 4: I know many of the New Zealanders would be happy
Speaker 4: to find that there's not quite the pace there that
Speaker 4: you know. And we didn't even mention the likes of
Speaker 4: Sylvest Clark.
Speaker 6: Oh Davis, oh, very very sharp. These gays were extremely sharp,
Speaker 6: very very sharp.
Speaker 4: Now lovely to hear your viewpoint, I must say we
Speaker 4: do agree, and I will be interested to see whether
Speaker 4: I can get any challenges for that viewpoint. But Malcolm
Speaker 4: Marshall certainly one of the greats in the game and
Speaker 4: one of the great West Indian quick well a few
Speaker 4: names there, Jerry Malcolm Marshall was his choice. I got
Speaker 4: to say that was my choice as well. And we
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier your favorite bowler is there must be a
Speaker 4: lot of wester Indians and the group of the ones
Speaker 4: you really like the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the first thing I would say for my
Speaker 2: memories now is that they were all slightly different ones.
Speaker 2: While they were all right right arm bowlers, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of difference between holding who took the ball away,
Speaker 2: and the pace between them wasn't excessive. I mean they
Speaker 2: were all sort of ninety two and I'm talking about
Speaker 2: miles an hour now ninety sort of to ninety three,
Speaker 2: ninety four, that kind of range holding with the new
Speaker 2: ball took it away. Andy Roberts was there in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty when we played in New Zealand here in that
Speaker 2: acrimonious series, but he wasn't in eighty five when we
Speaker 2: played them, so he was coming kind of more to
Speaker 2: the end of his career. A very strong heavy ball
Speaker 2: bowling faster than you thought it was. The ball was
Speaker 2: on you, tended to move it just slightly away off
Speaker 2: the scene and then dangerous bouncers Croft of course, member
Speaker 2: people remember down at Lancaster Park when he ran into
Speaker 2: Fred Goodall. But the angle that he bowled from was
Speaker 2: very wide. It was about mid off, so that you
Speaker 2: always were worried about your off stump. Is it going
Speaker 2: to come in and hit your off stump. Obviously you
Speaker 2: had people like Marshal then and your Garner. Of course,
Speaker 2: Garner a very different bowler because of the optics, and
Speaker 2: he would bowl he never looked as if he was straining,
Speaker 2: but because of the length of his arms and his body,
Speaker 2: he could bowl the ball closer up to you as
Speaker 2: a right hander and a left hander, and it was
Speaker 2: on you much faster, so it bounced a bit more
Speaker 2: as well. So and he had a great yorker. So
Speaker 2: and then there was Marshall you have mentioned, who used
Speaker 2: to swing it in and he would just run through
Speaker 2: the crease. He would sort of poke his backside out
Speaker 2: so that he had his arm there was a place
Speaker 2: for his arm to go straight under where he didn't
Speaker 2: have to go across his body. He just went straight
Speaker 2: underneath his body. In other words, but yeah, I would
Speaker 2: have thought Marsia was the most accurate of all those bowlers.
Speaker 2: Garner was very good as well, and he swung it
Speaker 2: in slightly and he had a screaming bouncer as well.
Speaker 2: So but I mean, I am constantly surprised you sent
Speaker 2: me just the figures I think of Hadley. I am
Speaker 2: constantly surprised, and I shouldn't be. Just how good Richard was,
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's bold. What I think around about
Speaker 2: twenty two thousand balls. I can't remember the figures you said.
Speaker 2: You said Anderson was forty thousand. Marshall was a bit less,
Speaker 2: wasn't he. He got three hundred and seventy six wickets
Speaker 2: I think from my memory, and Paddles was four thirty one,
Speaker 2: So seventeen thousand deliveries twenty two thousand kind of getting
Speaker 2: close ish, weren't they. So that just shows how devastating
Speaker 2: Marshall was. And that's why you know, his stripe rate
Speaker 2: was happening every forty six balls, so he's getting a
Speaker 2: wicket every forty six balls, and Hadley paddles as fifty balls,
Speaker 2: so it's pretty close. And Anderson is fifty six, so
Speaker 2: he's taking another over on top of Richard to get
Speaker 2: a wicket. And where Richard stands out, of course, is
Speaker 2: the percentage of team wickets that he took. Now, you
Speaker 2: could argue that's because the rest of the bowlers weren't
Speaker 2: quite as dangerous as Richard was. But thirty four percent
Speaker 2: of the team wickets when Richard played, that's what he took.
Speaker 2: Marshall twenty six percent. Now that's a hell of a
Speaker 2: good figure when you think about the other names and
Speaker 2: the I've just mentioned to you all bursting to bowl
Speaker 2: and he's still able to get twenty six percent.
Speaker 4: The name is mentioned in thereby that I spoke with
Speaker 4: Andrew Mason. Did you ever face Sylvester Clark?
Speaker 2: Yes, he was.
Speaker 3: He was very very nicety, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Slingy Bold the day I played against him
Speaker 2: at Surrey. It was it was he bowled in his
Speaker 2: sandshoes and and he was very lively. Again, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it was kind of talking to some of
Speaker 2: the players and honestly he was. You talk to some
Speaker 2: of the players in England who play against Surrey and
Speaker 2: they would that would be the first game they would
Speaker 2: look at and that was one they were going to
Speaker 2: miss when they were a batsman. They were not keen
Speaker 2: on facing Sylvester. They've got they've got a new stand
Speaker 2: over there at Surrey at the moment, and he is
Speaker 2: regarded so highly, Sylvester Clark. There's a bar right on
Speaker 2: top of that new stand and it's the Sylvester Clark Bar,
Speaker 2: and it has his own special rum rum. That's a
Speaker 2: potent drink that he used to drink, and that's the
Speaker 2: special that's always on special there because it's Sylvester's drink.
Speaker 2: It's quite a nice little touch actually. But yeah, obviously,
Speaker 2: you know those three bowlers we've mainly been talking about, Hadley,
Speaker 2: Anderson and Marshall have have dominated medium fast fast bowling.
Speaker 2: I mean Hadley and Anderson more of a similar pace,
Speaker 2: aren't they? Marshall much quicker? Of course, Hadley and Marshall
Speaker 2: using a cooker butter ball very different than Anderson using
Speaker 2: a duke's ball and where he got a lot more swing.
Speaker 3: So long they did the same, didn't they?
Speaker 4: Anderson and Hadley their main delivery, of course, was the
Speaker 4: was the one that went away, the outswinger. Marshall was
Speaker 4: able to do that, but he also had a pretty
Speaker 4: potent you know, h headball didn't.
Speaker 2: He Oh yeah, he could, but he bowlder a different
Speaker 2: lengths and those other two, the other two you were
Speaker 2: kind of prepared to go forward to. Hadley didn't use
Speaker 2: the bounce of that much sparingly, and the same with
Speaker 2: Anderson as he got a little older as well, could
Speaker 2: still use it. But Marshall would use it as certainly
Speaker 2: as a much more prominent weapon. And he he would
Speaker 2: just run in that you I mean, and just keep
Speaker 2: going and keep going. And he was the difference between
Speaker 2: New Zealand and West Indies. And that eighty five tour
Speaker 2: over in the West Indies, I think he got something
Speaker 2: like twenty eight wickets and it was more than anybody
Speaker 2: else because he could bowl for such a long time
Speaker 2: too well.
Speaker 4: Marshall, he was a sort of bowler that you know,
Speaker 4: if you asked him to bowl fifteen overs on a spell,
Speaker 4: he would do it.
Speaker 3: Not the most ideal.
Speaker 4: Thing to do, but he seemed to have that stamina
Speaker 4: and that desire to go over the top of any
Speaker 4: batsman that he came up to. Plaguegainst. I can't remember
Speaker 4: whether he played you at hut Wreck when we beat
Speaker 4: the West Indies.
Speaker 2: Was he playing, Yes, yes he did, and that was
Speaker 2: the difference actually between him in nineteen eighty and eighty five.
Speaker 2: He was sort of just still developing and couldn't get
Speaker 2: into that Test side in that series. But when he
Speaker 2: played us at the hut Wreck, I can remember pulling
Speaker 2: and hooking him there, but certainly wouldn't have considered it
Speaker 2: in the West Indies in eighty five, even on the
Speaker 2: flat tracks, you know, and we had a couple of
Speaker 2: the flat tracks there, you know, down in Guyana in
Speaker 2: Georgetown there, so at the Border Ground and also the
Speaker 2: first Test match he did play in that match too.
Speaker 2: I think that was a krinidad, wasn't it. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: But they bowled different lengths and yeah, all but all
Speaker 2: three of them very precise bowlers. I think that's what
Speaker 2: underlines that all those figures, they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 2: They could have had control of what they did. I mean,
Speaker 2: Handley thirty six y five wicket bags. That's more than
Speaker 2: the other two have got. That's just fantastic. So, you know,
Speaker 2: we were so lucky to have Richard.
Speaker 4: Yes, when you look at the figures, it just proves,
Speaker 4: as you say, how good a player Richard Hadley was.
Speaker 4: But we knew that at the time, and of course
Speaker 4: he was a key to the successful years that we
Speaker 4: had in Test cricket, and he's up there with Marshall
Speaker 4: and of course Jimmy Anderson is there. Everybody has their
Speaker 4: own favorite fast bowler, slow bowler, batsman. There's some interesting
Speaker 4: discussion points about those various bowlers.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4: Finally, this week, Jerry, it's not been another very good
Speaker 4: week for our women cricketers. The coaches of the White Ferns,
Speaker 4: they're facing a fairly demanding task, aren't they. They've lost
Speaker 4: the fourth game and heavy defeats. The third game was
Speaker 4: at Canterbury. The fourth game was at the Oval. They
Speaker 4: had a chance in the game at Canterbury, but five
Speaker 4: dropped catchers and some sloppy fielding allowed Freer Camp and
Speaker 4: Alice CAPSI who have the freedom they wanted to chase
Speaker 4: down a title. Reacting to the third game, Sophie divine.
Speaker 7: Underneath it all. I'm really proud of this group. I
Speaker 7: just spoke at the aftermatch interview that at the start
Speaker 7: of the day we asked the group for a fight,
Speaker 7: a bit of ticker, and I thought today we showed
Speaker 7: that we were a lot more competitive, and to think
Speaker 7: that we didn't do so well with the bat, but
Speaker 7: to fight into script to one and then to take
Speaker 7: it to the last over, it's been a hell of
Speaker 7: a lot more competitive than the last couple of games.
Speaker 7: So as a group, you can't ask for much more
Speaker 7: than that. So really proud of that. But we know
Speaker 7: that we've got some areas where we need to you know,
Speaker 7: tidy up, but again there's plenty of positives to take
Speaker 7: out of it and we've still got two opportunities to
Speaker 7: go out there and get the victory. Yeah, it's an
Speaker 7: interesting point your raise, because we actually think our fielding
Speaker 7: has been outstanding this whole trip. I think we've we've
Speaker 7: shown great energy throughout the field. We've seen people moving
Speaker 7: off the ball, and today just wasn't our day, and
Speaker 7: that happens. I don't think it's a lack of skill
Speaker 7: or anything like that. I think today just had a
Speaker 7: case of the drop seas a little bit, I think. So, yeah, look,
Speaker 7: I don't think it's anything that we need.
Speaker 3: To dwell on.
Speaker 7: We know how hard we've worked on our fielding and
Speaker 7: you know, we know what our standards are.
Speaker 4: And then that heavy loss at the Oval. Maddie Green
Speaker 4: was the top batter for New Zealand.
Speaker 8: Her views, Yeah, obviously really disappointing today. You know that
Speaker 8: we know that England are a world class side and
Speaker 8: we've seen that throughout the series and we have to
Speaker 8: be playing well to compete with them and to give
Speaker 8: them a run for their money. And we went on
Speaker 8: today and they punished us. I think from a batting
Speaker 8: point of view, obviously it's having your your key players
Speaker 8: and your senior players stand up and put runs on
Speaker 8: the board. And I thought Sophie was excellent the way
Speaker 8: she pays her earnings and that that last match and
Speaker 8: today obviously we weren't able to get someone from our
Speaker 8: sort of top six to put a big score together,
Speaker 8: and you know, he runs on the board against Paulity
Speaker 8: England side is really important. But I thought the way
Speaker 8: that sort of as he thought when she came in,
Speaker 8: it was a really tricky situation for a very young
Speaker 8: player to be in, and you know, really proud of
Speaker 8: the way that she's sort of stood up and tried
Speaker 8: to keep fighting throughout their innings. So look, that's a
Speaker 8: positive to take away from this. And I thought eating
Speaker 8: cars and Bob well against some world class players as well,
Speaker 8: So what obviously really disappointing performance, but there are it's
Speaker 8: really pleasing to see some of our younger players, you know,
Speaker 8: and in front of a big crowd like that, sort
Speaker 8: of stepping up and you know, making their mark a
Speaker 8: little bit. Yeah, we thought we were right in that contest,
Speaker 8: and obviously the way that Freyer came in and she
Speaker 8: really took the game on and that last Lovers and
Speaker 8: took the game away from us, and that was tough.
Speaker 8: But she, you know, she talked to us pregame around
Speaker 8: just trying to really show some great and stand up
Speaker 8: and I thought you should really leap from the front
Speaker 8: of that game. And after the game she's sort of
Speaker 8: said to us, obviously we're all gutters, but she was
Speaker 8: sort of proud of the way that we fought in
Speaker 8: that match and competed and you know, real shame we
Speaker 8: can't back that up today.
Speaker 3: So it's the same old story. Jerry.
Speaker 4: Sadly, this side has a lot of work to do
Speaker 4: and I think they're going to have to reflect very
Speaker 4: much on the preparation that they've had, the selections that
Speaker 4: they have made, and we won't know until I guess
Speaker 4: they come to the Women's T twenty World Cup whether
Speaker 4: this has been a successful tour, but on results it hasn't, has.
Speaker 2: It, No, it hasn't. It'll be disappointing for all the
Speaker 2: players and the coaching staff and so on. They'll have
Speaker 2: set off with some high hopes. I guess I've you know,
Speaker 2: so what have they achieved? Well, I guess they've discovered
Speaker 2: a bit more about what they're not quite so good
Speaker 2: at rather than the other way around. So they'll come
Speaker 2: home feeling a bit uncomfortable. I think that they've been exposed.
Speaker 2: But you know the good part is that they should
Speaker 2: be very clear about what needs to be done and
Speaker 2: whether they're keen to improve and to change. So they're
Speaker 2: obviously they need a lot of work about playing spin
Speaker 2: and bowling, don't they. The England bowlers have dominated, so
Speaker 2: it's Sophie Ecleston, Charlie Dean and Sarah Glenn and they
Speaker 2: have taken you know, eighteen of the twenty five wickets
Speaker 2: to fall in the T twenties. We thought that the
Speaker 2: T twenties will be easier for New Zealand, didn't we.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they seem to have a bit more expertise and
Speaker 4: experience in that form of the game. But you know,
Speaker 4: they just haven't been able to fit into the conditions
Speaker 4: that they've faced in England. And yeah, I mean there
Speaker 4: is a lot of work to do. And I'm sure
Speaker 4: that you know the fact that Craig McMillan is over there.
Speaker 4: I don't know what impact he's had yet, but if
Speaker 4: they've taken him, then I think they've got to keep
Speaker 4: him to help those players. It's going to take more
Speaker 4: than money. There's got to be a lot of changes,
Speaker 4: doesn't there in terms of how we develop young cricketers
Speaker 4: in New Zealand, young women cricketers, and what they are
Speaker 4: doing to prepare. I don't think the preparation for this
Speaker 4: series has been good enough for those players. They needed
Speaker 4: more cricket, that's my view on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they need that. They can't just carry on
Speaker 2: going and doing the same things from you know, various
Speaker 2: franchises around the world and then coming back to New
Speaker 2: Zealand and hoping everything will be okay. But the bowling
Speaker 2: too wads hasn't obviously threatened England, has it. I mean,
Speaker 2: even in the fourty twenties they've had that they claimed
Speaker 2: six wickets in the second T twenty, but that was
Speaker 2: a nine overslog so we can't count that. And in
Speaker 2: the other games they've claimed three wickets, four wickets and
Speaker 2: three wickets, so they're not getting through to those you know,
Speaker 2: lower order players enough either. That's because they're not scoring
Speaker 2: enough runs. So you know, they're just not a very
Speaker 2: strong side at the moment. But I think they're stronger
Speaker 2: than they're showing. And I'm sure they're individuals you know,
Speaker 2: will be disappointed when they look at their figures. They'll
Speaker 2: be extremely disappointed. I mean, if you looked at England,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just Eccleston and Thattsiver Brunt and here the
Speaker 2: night you've got suddenly because and relying on those very
Speaker 2: experienced players. But you get Bouchet, you get Beaumont, you
Speaker 2: get dead Dean and Glenn. I've mentioned Lauren Belle, You've
Speaker 2: got a five wickets Amy Jones. You know, suddenly other
Speaker 2: people around you start to play as well and play
Speaker 2: a large parts and games. And New Zealand haven't quite
Speaker 2: got those either, have they. You know, the Maddie Greens,
Speaker 2: the brook Calla Days and the Jess Curves, the leader
Speaker 2: who those people who have played a lot of cricket. Really,
Speaker 2: if Baits and Divine don't score runs, we've got to
Speaker 2: develop some of those other players who can come through,
Speaker 2: and they're not quite doing it. So yes, a lot
Speaker 2: of work to be done, a lot of work for
Speaker 2: the coaching staff. Good test for them.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, we're going a chance to discuss the tour
Speaker 4: with one more game to play next week, and I've
Speaker 4: got a test for you. I want you to do
Speaker 4: some thinking during the week too. Have you got time
Speaker 4: to do some thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, Weds, I'd always liked a challenge.
Speaker 4: Well, you'll have to think, because I don't think you'll
Speaker 4: be applying for the job. The Blackheads need a new
Speaker 4: bowling coach or do they do they need a new
Speaker 4: balling coach? And if they do, who is it? Do
Speaker 4: they need someone with the team or should the bowling
Speaker 4: coaches the spread around the country try to develop new talent?
Speaker 4: Is that a fair question?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it is. It's certainly a pretty basic question.
Speaker 2: But you're right they've advertised, which seems to suggest that
Speaker 2: they want one, or at least like they'd like sort
Speaker 2: of you know, people who are shown interest. I wonder
Speaker 2: where they've gone to WADS. I know that, I know
Speaker 2: that Moose. Last week. Peter Holland, who we had on
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, he's he got an email
Speaker 2: asking him that he wanted to be the bowling coach
Speaker 2: or if he knew someone someone who who might be interested.
Speaker 2: I hope they've looked WADS, you know, rather than just
Speaker 2: you know, a quick call when we need a coach
Speaker 2: that got to know a few people you know, Well.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll give it some thought and come up with
Speaker 4: some ideas that next week. Shane Bond of course would
Speaker 4: be the best, but he's got other work to do,
Speaker 4: and probably more lucrative work. So we'll have a thing
Speaker 4: about that and talk about it next week. And of
Speaker 4: course if you want to give a view on it,
Speaker 4: you can get in touch with us on the front
Speaker 4: foot twenty at gmail dot com and we're happy.
Speaker 3: To take your viewpoints.
Speaker 4: Jerry, I don't want to have any anonymous emails from you.
Speaker 3: You can go and do that thinking the thinking that
Speaker 3: I've asked.
Speaker 2: I will go into a pencils mood immediately and come
Speaker 2: out of the other side, hopefully and with a few
Speaker 2: names for you and with some suggestions.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, I hope that it's a pretty site, because
Speaker 4: normally it doesn't when you come out the other side.
Speaker 2: But no, you're right, quite right, we will say goodbye.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry of.
Speaker 2: Course they got off all right once. Look after yourself, boy,
Speaker 2: wrap up mon all the world.
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