1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:15,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,373 --> 00:00:20,533 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Take another. 4 00:00:22,133 --> 00:00:24,013 Speaker 2: It's a very trick. It is out. 5 00:00:24,333 --> 00:00:25,133 Speaker 3: The test is over. 6 00:00:27,373 --> 00:00:29,613 Speaker 4: Goodness smokes a beauty. 7 00:00:29,653 --> 00:00:31,733 Speaker 2: It is out and hear you guys. 8 00:00:31,813 --> 00:00:32,813 Speaker 3: This delivery has. 9 00:00:32,773 --> 00:00:33,973 Speaker 2: In users before. 10 00:00:36,493 --> 00:00:39,893 Speaker 5: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 11 00:00:40,173 --> 00:00:46,773 Speaker 5: powered by News Talks Heat B at iHeart Radio. 12 00:00:47,533 --> 00:00:50,733 Speaker 4: Hello, We're on the front foot again and this week 13 00:00:50,853 --> 00:00:55,213 Speaker 4: the new boys upstay the retiring veterans Jimmy Gibbon an 14 00:00:55,213 --> 00:00:57,093 Speaker 4: emotional farewell at the home of cricket. 15 00:00:57,733 --> 00:01:00,293 Speaker 3: Our White Guns remain windless with one to play in England. 16 00:01:00,613 --> 00:01:03,533 Speaker 4: What have they achieved and who wins the title of 17 00:01:03,613 --> 00:01:07,453 Speaker 4: the best West Indian Quick over the last fifty years? 18 00:01:08,013 --> 00:01:11,333 Speaker 4: You know favorites like you'd have some favorites Jerry of 19 00:01:11,413 --> 00:01:16,053 Speaker 4: the West Indian Quick that you have really loving memories 20 00:01:16,053 --> 00:01:17,213 Speaker 4: and printed on your brain. 21 00:01:17,853 --> 00:01:22,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got that black book wards. It's full of 22 00:01:22,973 --> 00:01:26,173 Speaker 2: names and most of them's I would have to say. 23 00:01:26,293 --> 00:01:31,253 Speaker 2: We Westerns. Yeah, there were a lot of them. They 24 00:01:31,413 --> 00:01:33,773 Speaker 2: sort of they lived under the stand. They used to 25 00:01:33,813 --> 00:01:37,173 Speaker 2: throw them bits of raw meat during the week and 26 00:01:37,213 --> 00:01:41,533 Speaker 2: they'd come out on Saturdays, you know it, and the 27 00:01:41,813 --> 00:01:44,693 Speaker 2: swathes of them. It was the first It was the 28 00:01:44,733 --> 00:01:46,933 Speaker 2: first five or six onto the ground that were in 29 00:01:46,973 --> 00:01:48,133 Speaker 2: the team. 30 00:01:48,333 --> 00:01:51,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, have you got that scene mark still imprinted on 31 00:01:51,493 --> 00:01:55,613 Speaker 4: your body when that but one had you in in Jamaica. 32 00:01:58,173 --> 00:02:01,893 Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. It went through the it 33 00:02:02,013 --> 00:02:06,133 Speaker 2: went through the armed guard actually, so it might be 34 00:02:06,253 --> 00:02:09,413 Speaker 2: on a mark on that, but I mean, I've got 35 00:02:09,493 --> 00:02:15,973 Speaker 2: very strong skin words. But but yeah, it was. Yeah, 36 00:02:16,493 --> 00:02:19,173 Speaker 2: it was. You got to You've got to really when 37 00:02:19,173 --> 00:02:24,053 Speaker 2: you play for New Zealand. But yeah, that there were 38 00:02:24,053 --> 00:02:26,013 Speaker 2: a few of them. Don't worry. I'm sure I'll think 39 00:02:26,053 --> 00:02:27,933 Speaker 2: of one by the time we get there on the show. 40 00:02:28,893 --> 00:02:29,133 Speaker 6: Yeah. 41 00:02:29,173 --> 00:02:32,133 Speaker 4: Well, we're going to get Andrew Mason back. He doesn't 42 00:02:32,133 --> 00:02:34,213 Speaker 4: want to talk about the first Test match, but I 43 00:02:34,253 --> 00:02:37,533 Speaker 4: asked him about face starling and we'll get him back shortly. 44 00:02:37,573 --> 00:02:40,653 Speaker 4: But what he did tell us last week was the 45 00:02:40,693 --> 00:02:43,653 Speaker 4: West Indian batting was a little suspect. I think that 46 00:02:43,813 --> 00:02:45,893 Speaker 4: was being quite generous, wasn't it that it was a 47 00:02:45,893 --> 00:02:50,693 Speaker 4: little suspect they were They were just dreadful. Weren't they 48 00:02:50,733 --> 00:02:52,973 Speaker 4: playing a Test metch against England? 49 00:02:53,253 --> 00:02:58,293 Speaker 2: Yes, it was. It wasn't good viewing. I've had two 50 00:02:58,413 --> 00:03:02,773 Speaker 2: thoughts about that because there, you know, they've also started 51 00:03:02,853 --> 00:03:07,333 Speaker 2: to promote the whole thinking about should the West and 52 00:03:07,453 --> 00:03:11,493 Speaker 2: He's be playing Test cricket? I mean that's really the 53 00:03:11,613 --> 00:03:16,733 Speaker 2: underlying one thought I had. But the first thought is, 54 00:03:16,893 --> 00:03:19,733 Speaker 2: you know, just let's be a bit careful about this. 55 00:03:19,853 --> 00:03:24,293 Speaker 2: There have been thrashings in Test cricket before, haven't there. 56 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:29,413 Speaker 2: And you've only got to go back and see probably 57 00:03:29,453 --> 00:03:33,173 Speaker 2: the best day's viewing of cricket maybe in the whole year, 58 00:03:33,653 --> 00:03:36,093 Speaker 2: was created by the West Indies, wasn't it when they 59 00:03:36,213 --> 00:03:42,773 Speaker 2: played against Australia at the absolutely when in Smith was commentating, 60 00:03:43,253 --> 00:03:47,653 Speaker 2: and you know that was a fantastic effort to come 61 00:03:47,733 --> 00:03:50,853 Speaker 2: back after a thrashing. They were thrashed in the first 62 00:03:50,893 --> 00:03:53,933 Speaker 2: Test at Adelaide and then they came back and won 63 00:03:53,933 --> 00:03:56,733 Speaker 2: by what it was single figures, wasn't it in that 64 00:03:57,293 --> 00:04:01,053 Speaker 2: second Test at Brisbane? And in twenty seventeen I remember 65 00:04:01,173 --> 00:04:05,853 Speaker 2: in England actually when England played the first Test and 66 00:04:05,893 --> 00:04:08,333 Speaker 2: beat them just as comfortably as they did in this matter. 67 00:04:09,253 --> 00:04:12,333 Speaker 2: England got about five hundred and plenty and Westernies one 68 00:04:12,493 --> 00:04:16,053 Speaker 2: sixty and one thirty and then they went up to 69 00:04:16,173 --> 00:04:19,333 Speaker 2: Leeds in two thousand and seventeen to play the second 70 00:04:19,373 --> 00:04:25,773 Speaker 2: Test England. I think West Indies battered first, maybe did they? 71 00:04:26,573 --> 00:04:31,533 Speaker 2: No West Indies bad at last? Yeah, exactly. Western He's 72 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:34,013 Speaker 2: got about, you know, four to twenty in the first 73 00:04:34,013 --> 00:04:36,893 Speaker 2: innings with a lead, needed three hundred and twenty to 74 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:40,213 Speaker 2: win and passed at five down. It was old Brathwaite 75 00:04:40,733 --> 00:04:43,893 Speaker 2: who's still there. He got a ninety in the second 76 00:04:43,893 --> 00:04:46,253 Speaker 2: innings and one hundred in the first and Hope got 77 00:04:46,293 --> 00:04:49,573 Speaker 2: one hundreds of each innings, so they won by five wickets. 78 00:04:49,933 --> 00:04:54,053 Speaker 2: Hell of a good effort. So I know that this 79 00:04:54,213 --> 00:04:57,653 Speaker 2: is a different side. I realized that there are so 80 00:04:57,813 --> 00:05:01,733 Speaker 2: many of these guys who are really just entering their careers, 81 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:05,413 Speaker 2: so it may be a little bit different. But you know, 82 00:05:05,573 --> 00:05:12,413 Speaker 2: let's just wait and see see what happens, because I mean, 83 00:05:12,493 --> 00:05:15,653 Speaker 2: otherwise you start to get some of the you know, 84 00:05:15,733 --> 00:05:19,493 Speaker 2: the mood that's been coming out of England. It seems 85 00:05:19,533 --> 00:05:24,973 Speaker 2: to me is more we can't rate these players, we 86 00:05:25,053 --> 00:05:28,373 Speaker 2: can't even judge them because they're so early in their careers, 87 00:05:29,453 --> 00:05:36,293 Speaker 2: and therefore it's Test cricket is suddenly falling apart, and 88 00:05:35,613 --> 00:05:39,453 Speaker 2: I'm not that keen to go down that line, to 89 00:05:39,493 --> 00:05:43,973 Speaker 2: be really honest with you. I mean, they didn't prepare 90 00:05:44,013 --> 00:05:47,653 Speaker 2: that very well for the tour, did they. It's hard 91 00:05:47,693 --> 00:05:52,453 Speaker 2: nowadays with the schedule that there is, but I would 92 00:05:52,493 --> 00:05:55,373 Speaker 2: have thought other countries can just help a bit, maybe 93 00:05:56,653 --> 00:05:59,293 Speaker 2: give them a bit longer preparation to go over so 94 00:05:59,413 --> 00:06:02,693 Speaker 2: especially a team like that West Indies side. It's very 95 00:06:02,733 --> 00:06:05,893 Speaker 2: hard as a batsman to go to England, you know, 96 00:06:05,973 --> 00:06:09,693 Speaker 2: for the first time and player moving ball. We could 97 00:06:09,693 --> 00:06:12,213 Speaker 2: see over that T twenty. It's hard enough playing at home, 98 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:15,053 Speaker 2: isn't it for them? The way the ball was bouncing, 99 00:06:15,973 --> 00:06:19,493 Speaker 2: you know, So you know, and maybe they could play 100 00:06:19,533 --> 00:06:22,613 Speaker 2: instead of they had one game, a three day game. 101 00:06:23,653 --> 00:06:27,933 Speaker 2: Maybe they could play a team, yeah exactly. Maybe they 102 00:06:27,973 --> 00:06:31,013 Speaker 2: could play a couple of games. Maybe they could maybe 103 00:06:31,053 --> 00:06:34,893 Speaker 2: could someone provide some assistance if it was requested, you know, 104 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:37,453 Speaker 2: a couple of coaches could come in and help their coaches, 105 00:06:37,573 --> 00:06:40,213 Speaker 2: or coming and help some of their players. I don't know, 106 00:06:41,093 --> 00:06:44,693 Speaker 2: but surely something could be done to try and assist 107 00:06:45,893 --> 00:06:48,013 Speaker 2: teams that are struggling at the moment. 108 00:06:48,893 --> 00:06:53,413 Speaker 4: Well, they need to get the opportunity to play cricket 109 00:06:53,693 --> 00:06:54,333 Speaker 4: and prepare for it. 110 00:06:54,373 --> 00:06:54,973 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the. 111 00:06:54,933 --> 00:06:57,853 Speaker 4: Same story as far as I'm concerned about our White 112 00:06:57,853 --> 00:07:00,653 Speaker 4: Fans team. You know, are they doing the right things 113 00:07:00,693 --> 00:07:03,213 Speaker 4: in terms of preparing for playing in England. They're finding 114 00:07:03,373 --> 00:07:07,133 Speaker 4: the same issues the inability to deal with playing England 115 00:07:07,333 --> 00:07:09,973 Speaker 4: in England. And I think that that's probably what some 116 00:07:10,013 --> 00:07:12,453 Speaker 4: of these new young West Indian players because there's a 117 00:07:12,493 --> 00:07:15,093 Speaker 4: bit of talent there. We've seen them bad. Athenas is 118 00:07:15,093 --> 00:07:18,173 Speaker 4: not a bad player, and they've got a few of them. 119 00:07:18,653 --> 00:07:22,213 Speaker 4: But when you come up against England and England it's 120 00:07:22,293 --> 00:07:25,293 Speaker 4: it's very difficult. I mean, is Atkinson and you've seen 121 00:07:25,373 --> 00:07:28,413 Speaker 4: these guys Atkinson and Smith who were the stars the 122 00:07:28,453 --> 00:07:32,013 Speaker 4: young fellows. Is Atkinson that good or is it just 123 00:07:32,093 --> 00:07:34,013 Speaker 4: at the West and he's batting was woeful? 124 00:07:34,693 --> 00:07:39,893 Speaker 2: Well, I think mainly the second wards Atkinson doesn't really 125 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:46,853 Speaker 2: tear other you know, first class teams apart. He bowls 126 00:07:47,333 --> 00:07:50,933 Speaker 2: you know, sort of high eighties. So there is pace 127 00:07:50,973 --> 00:07:55,013 Speaker 2: there and that and Key and McCullum has said, haven't 128 00:07:55,053 --> 00:07:57,493 Speaker 2: they They want to have some pace on the onto 129 00:07:57,533 --> 00:08:00,493 Speaker 2: the surface of the pitch and he showed a bit 130 00:08:00,533 --> 00:08:03,813 Speaker 2: of that, got a bit of luck early had a 131 00:08:03,813 --> 00:08:06,133 Speaker 2: good toss, didn't that was a good toss to win? 132 00:08:06,293 --> 00:08:09,973 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And and the game wasn't competitive. But I 133 00:08:10,013 --> 00:08:13,613 Speaker 2: mean we've also got to remember at the same time, 134 00:08:13,693 --> 00:08:17,493 Speaker 2: don't forget we've seen one side of games the other 135 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:20,813 Speaker 2: way around, haven't we. Right through the seventies and the eighties, 136 00:08:20,853 --> 00:08:26,373 Speaker 2: the Westerndies cruised around the world cleaning everybody up. You know, 137 00:08:26,533 --> 00:08:29,213 Speaker 2: they had top batsmen, They had a battery of clicks 138 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:31,973 Speaker 2: and it didn't matter what sort of pitch she prepared 139 00:08:32,013 --> 00:08:35,613 Speaker 2: against them. So did we say then that cricket was over? 140 00:08:36,853 --> 00:08:40,093 Speaker 2: You know, that Test cricket was finished, and we're going 141 00:08:40,173 --> 00:08:43,213 Speaker 2: to cut half of them out. Suddenly half the team's out, 142 00:08:43,973 --> 00:08:46,133 Speaker 2: you know, take it easy for a moment. I think 143 00:08:47,333 --> 00:08:49,413 Speaker 2: what we did. And of course was complained about the 144 00:08:49,493 --> 00:08:52,093 Speaker 2: number of bounts as they bowled and how hard it 145 00:08:52,173 --> 00:08:53,133 Speaker 2: was to score. 146 00:08:53,773 --> 00:08:58,333 Speaker 4: Yes, and their overrates which were about thirteen twelve an hour, 147 00:08:58,813 --> 00:09:01,493 Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, they've got to be they've got 148 00:09:01,533 --> 00:09:04,693 Speaker 4: to be given a bit of a chance, these players. 149 00:09:04,853 --> 00:09:07,573 Speaker 4: The one issue, of course, is that the interest is 150 00:09:07,613 --> 00:09:10,453 Speaker 4: not there in test cricket because of. 151 00:09:10,493 --> 00:09:11,413 Speaker 3: The white ball game. 152 00:09:11,453 --> 00:09:15,693 Speaker 4: And that was something that Andrew Mason spoke about last week, 153 00:09:15,733 --> 00:09:17,373 Speaker 4: and they've got to be able. 154 00:09:17,173 --> 00:09:18,933 Speaker 3: To play some of these games. 155 00:09:19,093 --> 00:09:21,853 Speaker 4: They don't have the players going playing county cricket like 156 00:09:22,373 --> 00:09:25,653 Speaker 4: the sides of the eighties and nineties, Greenwage, Haynes, etc. 157 00:09:26,013 --> 00:09:26,253 Speaker 2: Etc. 158 00:09:26,693 --> 00:09:29,053 Speaker 4: Richard, you know all those players were playing in the 159 00:09:29,093 --> 00:09:34,573 Speaker 4: county game, so they had some experience. Jamie Smith, you 160 00:09:34,933 --> 00:09:37,453 Speaker 4: spoke about him, We can see why they chose him. 161 00:09:37,493 --> 00:09:41,333 Speaker 4: Not necessarily a better keeper than folks, but with the bat, 162 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:44,413 Speaker 4: he's going to be the kind of man they want, 163 00:09:44,493 --> 00:09:44,813 Speaker 4: isn't he. 164 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:49,773 Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought he kept quite well. Lords is quite 165 00:09:49,813 --> 00:09:53,493 Speaker 2: a tricky place to keep wicked. Actually, it's one of 166 00:09:53,533 --> 00:09:57,413 Speaker 2: those grounds like like christ Church used to be as well. 167 00:09:57,453 --> 00:10:00,213 Speaker 2: Wally would tell us about that. He used to just 168 00:10:00,253 --> 00:10:02,613 Speaker 2: get him very just to look over at me at 169 00:10:02,653 --> 00:10:05,973 Speaker 2: second slip and his eyes would just open up because 170 00:10:05,973 --> 00:10:09,013 Speaker 2: the ball would actually not only just swerve nerves quite 171 00:10:09,013 --> 00:10:12,333 Speaker 2: often you see it swinging after it pictures and passing 172 00:10:12,413 --> 00:10:15,253 Speaker 2: the stumps, which it does at Lord's, but it also 173 00:10:15,333 --> 00:10:18,173 Speaker 2: can go up and down, which is even worse. But 174 00:10:18,333 --> 00:10:20,733 Speaker 2: I thought Smith for quite a tall man. He's over 175 00:10:20,773 --> 00:10:25,573 Speaker 2: six feet. You know, he moved quite well. He seemed 176 00:10:25,613 --> 00:10:28,453 Speaker 2: to take most of it, all right. He took a 177 00:10:28,493 --> 00:10:33,573 Speaker 2: low catch and I thought, you know, he's looking okay 178 00:10:34,613 --> 00:10:38,253 Speaker 2: with the gloves for the time that he's had to 179 00:10:38,293 --> 00:10:41,533 Speaker 2: do it really and then of course he's a proper 180 00:10:41,533 --> 00:10:45,413 Speaker 2: batsman and he batted a bit with the tail and 181 00:10:45,453 --> 00:10:48,693 Speaker 2: so yeah, I thought he had a good match. In fact, 182 00:10:48,693 --> 00:10:51,773 Speaker 2: as you say, the two guys you've mentioned had good matches, 183 00:10:51,813 --> 00:10:54,373 Speaker 2: didn't they for them? The other person I would mention, 184 00:10:54,533 --> 00:10:59,133 Speaker 2: just very briefly, is there Stokes playing as an all 185 00:10:59,253 --> 00:11:03,053 Speaker 2: round her again makes a hell of a difference. He's 186 00:11:03,053 --> 00:11:07,213 Speaker 2: been bowling a lot for Durham long spells. It seems 187 00:11:07,253 --> 00:11:11,173 Speaker 2: that his knee opera is okay. He looks quite lean, 188 00:11:11,773 --> 00:11:15,013 Speaker 2: he doesn't look to be over you know, sort of 189 00:11:15,133 --> 00:11:17,813 Speaker 2: Muscley and that sort of thing as well. And it's 190 00:11:17,853 --> 00:11:20,533 Speaker 2: a very different England side with Stokes as a full 191 00:11:20,573 --> 00:11:21,973 Speaker 2: all rounder i think. 192 00:11:22,253 --> 00:11:24,773 Speaker 4: And the ability to bowl just those extra overs. He 193 00:11:24,813 --> 00:11:26,773 Speaker 4: looked as he was going to overdo it at one 194 00:11:26,813 --> 00:11:30,733 Speaker 4: stage there, but they won the game quite comfortably by 195 00:11:31,413 --> 00:11:35,573 Speaker 4: an innings. Anderson, well he's out. It's been replaced by 196 00:11:35,733 --> 00:11:39,813 Speaker 4: thirty four year old Mark Wood. He's going to share 197 00:11:39,893 --> 00:11:43,733 Speaker 4: the new ball with Atkinson. And thirty five year old Wokes. 198 00:11:43,773 --> 00:11:47,653 Speaker 4: Now they wanted to fifty five thirty five? 199 00:11:47,693 --> 00:11:48,693 Speaker 3: Did I say fifty five? 200 00:11:50,413 --> 00:11:52,973 Speaker 2: Well that's really pushing it, isn't it. 201 00:11:53,173 --> 00:11:53,373 Speaker 7: Yeah. 202 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:54,693 Speaker 2: I wonder when he's leaving. 203 00:11:57,213 --> 00:12:01,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well I'll put that down as a thirty 204 00:12:01,133 --> 00:12:06,533 Speaker 4: five and a fox pass. But they wanted they wanted 205 00:12:07,413 --> 00:12:12,253 Speaker 4: a new group of younger players to bring in Wood. 206 00:12:12,493 --> 00:12:16,333 Speaker 4: Seems a little bit strange. Will he be in Australia 207 00:12:16,853 --> 00:12:21,333 Speaker 4: for the Ashes? Wokes might be there, but Wokes is 208 00:12:21,413 --> 00:12:23,733 Speaker 4: really only an England bowler, isn't he. We talked about 209 00:12:23,733 --> 00:12:24,533 Speaker 4: that last week too. 210 00:12:25,693 --> 00:12:28,733 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think Wokes will be in the Australian 211 00:12:29,573 --> 00:12:35,653 Speaker 2: touring party. He is pretty much England centric unless you 212 00:12:35,693 --> 00:12:37,653 Speaker 2: go to I mean he could come and play against 213 00:12:37,733 --> 00:12:41,013 Speaker 2: New Zealand, couldn't he where you have similar conditions. But 214 00:12:41,893 --> 00:12:45,293 Speaker 2: other than that, it doesn't seem to work for Chris 215 00:12:45,293 --> 00:12:48,813 Speaker 2: Wokes good back too, lower down. He strengthens that as well. 216 00:12:49,253 --> 00:12:52,773 Speaker 2: So they like him, but I don't think it's a 217 00:12:52,813 --> 00:12:55,533 Speaker 2: long term things when you know, we need consider to 218 00:12:55,613 --> 00:13:00,453 Speaker 2: go to Australia. I don't know. They played, you know, 219 00:13:00,773 --> 00:13:05,853 Speaker 2: just steadily, didn't they. Anderson's been a terrific, terrific bowler 220 00:13:05,853 --> 00:13:09,733 Speaker 2: as an exceptional bowler. And England do that pomp and ceremony, 221 00:13:09,773 --> 00:13:16,493 Speaker 2: that cheerio very well. They love doing that all the crowd. 222 00:13:16,893 --> 00:13:17,133 Speaker 3: Lord. 223 00:13:18,093 --> 00:13:22,813 Speaker 2: You know his longevity and his fitness levels and skill 224 00:13:22,893 --> 00:13:25,333 Speaker 2: sets in you know, whether it's swinging the ball or 225 00:13:25,413 --> 00:13:29,493 Speaker 2: seeming the ball or wobbling the ball nowadays, or reversing 226 00:13:29,573 --> 00:13:31,693 Speaker 2: the ball because he had to learn to do that 227 00:13:32,493 --> 00:13:35,173 Speaker 2: and he only after what one hundred and eighty eights 228 00:13:35,213 --> 00:13:37,493 Speaker 2: was going for two point seven runs and over, So 229 00:13:38,053 --> 00:13:42,213 Speaker 2: that tells you how accurate he has been right throughout, 230 00:13:42,773 --> 00:13:47,413 Speaker 2: how he's reinvented himself, you know, all that stuff. Consistency 231 00:13:47,453 --> 00:13:52,173 Speaker 2: of pace, you know, when everything's put together, he's got 232 00:13:52,173 --> 00:13:56,653 Speaker 2: to be up there, doesn't he And you know he'll 233 00:13:56,693 --> 00:13:58,933 Speaker 2: settle into his career. Now. Do you like the way 234 00:13:58,973 --> 00:14:01,493 Speaker 2: that he's going to be throwing a next Test as 235 00:14:01,493 --> 00:14:05,573 Speaker 2: a coach or as a someone to lean on? Yeah? 236 00:14:05,693 --> 00:14:07,133 Speaker 2: Mentalor yeah? 237 00:14:07,173 --> 00:14:10,893 Speaker 4: Well it was it was an emotional moment. He's been 238 00:14:10,933 --> 00:14:14,333 Speaker 4: around the cricket scene for a long time. We didn't 239 00:14:14,333 --> 00:14:17,053 Speaker 4: get a chance to see much of Shobashir in the 240 00:14:17,093 --> 00:14:17,613 Speaker 4: Test match. 241 00:14:18,533 --> 00:14:20,333 Speaker 2: It was he wasn't born. 242 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:23,573 Speaker 3: When he wasn't born when Jimmy Anderson made his Test. 243 00:14:23,493 --> 00:14:28,613 Speaker 2: Aboot, I didn't know. That's right. You go and field 244 00:14:28,613 --> 00:14:30,933 Speaker 2: at fine leg go and field down at fine legs. 245 00:14:30,973 --> 00:14:33,573 Speaker 3: Son, Yeah, breakfast, you're throwing. 246 00:14:35,613 --> 00:14:39,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was It was interesting. 247 00:14:39,293 --> 00:14:44,453 Speaker 4: It's interesting because the the Anderson retirement is great for 248 00:14:44,493 --> 00:14:47,293 Speaker 4: the statisticians and I don't mind a few statistics every 249 00:14:47,733 --> 00:14:50,693 Speaker 4: now and again. That when you think he bowled forty 250 00:14:50,813 --> 00:14:58,453 Speaker 4: thousand balls in Test cricket, forty thousand and yeah, dumbody 251 00:14:58,493 --> 00:15:06,213 Speaker 4: did a calculation that it was the equivalent of bowling 252 00:15:07,053 --> 00:15:11,733 Speaker 4: about four hundred and nine three kilometers judging by his 253 00:15:11,973 --> 00:15:13,933 Speaker 4: run up. Didn't include any of the times he ran 254 00:15:13,973 --> 00:15:17,013 Speaker 4: in and didn't deliver because the batsman wasn't ready there, 255 00:15:17,333 --> 00:15:22,253 Speaker 4: and it was it was a basic map of the 256 00:15:22,333 --> 00:15:27,253 Speaker 4: England Test match grounds, walking the distance between Lords and 257 00:15:27,453 --> 00:15:31,733 Speaker 4: Durham Wedness. That's yeah, yeah, that's that's how they love 258 00:15:31,893 --> 00:15:37,573 Speaker 4: their statistics. In terms of the the fact that he 259 00:15:37,653 --> 00:15:41,853 Speaker 4: played with one hundred and nine other players during his 260 00:15:41,933 --> 00:15:43,813 Speaker 4: Test career, do you remember some of them? 261 00:15:44,213 --> 00:15:50,093 Speaker 3: I don't remember the likes of Simon Kerrigan. 262 00:15:51,653 --> 00:15:54,773 Speaker 2: Simon Kerrigan. Was he a spinner? I don't know. 263 00:15:55,293 --> 00:15:59,613 Speaker 4: Ashmah, Chazzad and just Bowler. 264 00:16:00,613 --> 00:16:04,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, they all played Test matches along with Jimmy Anderson. 265 00:16:04,413 --> 00:16:06,613 Speaker 4: There's one I do know, but I didn't realize he'd 266 00:16:06,653 --> 00:16:11,573 Speaker 4: played a match because he played club cricket here in Wellington, 267 00:16:11,933 --> 00:16:17,173 Speaker 4: Scott Forthwick who played a one Test match for England. 268 00:16:17,653 --> 00:16:19,453 Speaker 3: They got threshed in Australia. 269 00:16:19,493 --> 00:16:22,253 Speaker 4: It was an Ashes Test match and I cannot, for 270 00:16:22,293 --> 00:16:24,253 Speaker 4: the life of me remember him playing it. I actually 271 00:16:24,253 --> 00:16:27,653 Speaker 4: had to look it up to see why he played. 272 00:16:27,813 --> 00:16:31,733 Speaker 4: So there's one hundred and nine of them played while 273 00:16:32,293 --> 00:16:36,613 Speaker 4: Jimmy Anderson was available to play for England from his debut. 274 00:16:37,053 --> 00:16:38,893 Speaker 4: Amazing really when you think about it. 275 00:16:40,533 --> 00:16:45,893 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. No, he's certainly been an important figure 276 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:49,373 Speaker 2: right throughout well When did he start two thousand and 277 00:16:49,493 --> 00:16:52,253 Speaker 2: three or something like that, wasn't it. Yeah, I saw 278 00:16:52,373 --> 00:16:55,373 Speaker 2: a little interview was a NASA Hussain who went in 279 00:16:55,413 --> 00:16:57,293 Speaker 2: and had a chat with him. In the changing room. 280 00:16:57,933 --> 00:17:02,493 Speaker 2: It was almost absolute silence in the changing room. No 281 00:17:02,533 --> 00:17:05,413 Speaker 2: one was showering, no one was throwing things around, no 282 00:17:05,493 --> 00:17:09,213 Speaker 2: one was swearing, and it was it was. It was. 283 00:17:09,013 --> 00:17:13,653 Speaker 2: It was quite eerie actually, because you don't often you 284 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:16,813 Speaker 2: don't often get a really quiet changing room unless you've 285 00:17:16,813 --> 00:17:17,653 Speaker 2: been thrashed. 286 00:17:19,173 --> 00:17:20,693 Speaker 3: That was respect, wasn't it. 287 00:17:20,693 --> 00:17:23,973 Speaker 2: It was really yeah? It was so so yeah, so 288 00:17:24,093 --> 00:17:27,493 Speaker 2: he's and it was it was interesting how that kind 289 00:17:27,493 --> 00:17:33,053 Speaker 2: of and the performance of Atkinson sort of went, you know, 290 00:17:33,133 --> 00:17:37,213 Speaker 2: twelve wickets went under the radar really in the out 291 00:17:37,213 --> 00:17:39,333 Speaker 2: the back. So but that was that was okay. I 292 00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:42,453 Speaker 2: don't mind that at all. He'll he's probably done quite 293 00:17:42,493 --> 00:17:44,973 Speaker 2: a lot to get himself, you know, a few Test 294 00:17:45,013 --> 00:17:49,333 Speaker 2: matches now if he can stay fit. But I do think, well, 295 00:17:49,373 --> 00:17:54,413 Speaker 2: I do hope that the West Indies, you know, prepare 296 00:17:54,533 --> 00:17:58,453 Speaker 2: a wee bit better. You can't test cricket was it's 297 00:17:58,493 --> 00:18:01,093 Speaker 2: just not as easy as T twenty. So you've got 298 00:18:01,093 --> 00:18:03,973 Speaker 2: to prepare properly. You've got to give it your attention. 299 00:18:04,573 --> 00:18:07,053 Speaker 2: You've got to give the test match what it deserves, 300 00:18:07,133 --> 00:18:09,893 Speaker 2: you know, and I know schedules tough and naturally, but 301 00:18:09,933 --> 00:18:13,533 Speaker 2: if you don't look after those things, you know, you 302 00:18:13,653 --> 00:18:19,013 Speaker 2: get those sorts of games where suddenly everyone says, oh, tests, 303 00:18:19,453 --> 00:18:22,893 Speaker 2: tests are dying, and those sorts of things. But I 304 00:18:22,933 --> 00:18:27,573 Speaker 2: don't think I don't think it is. I hope that 305 00:18:27,693 --> 00:18:31,613 Speaker 2: they can just withhold on all that kind of discussion 306 00:18:32,253 --> 00:18:35,453 Speaker 2: that they did have after that we're now going because 307 00:18:35,453 --> 00:18:37,373 Speaker 2: they had a didn't They have a big meeting there 308 00:18:37,413 --> 00:18:41,293 Speaker 2: for one day prior to the match where they all 309 00:18:41,373 --> 00:18:45,573 Speaker 2: discussed and they got all the notables in the discuss 310 00:18:45,893 --> 00:18:48,373 Speaker 2: what are we going to do with Test cricket And 311 00:18:48,453 --> 00:18:50,973 Speaker 2: what they came up was in the end was that 312 00:18:51,013 --> 00:18:54,013 Speaker 2: they were going to only have sixteens playing Test cricket 313 00:18:54,013 --> 00:18:58,253 Speaker 2: in the next three years. And I really hope that 314 00:18:58,253 --> 00:19:00,373 Speaker 2: that doesn't happen. The interesting thing, of course, if you 315 00:19:00,413 --> 00:19:03,413 Speaker 2: took it now, England would not be in the top six. 316 00:19:04,093 --> 00:19:06,973 Speaker 2: If you took them from the West that the Test Championship. 317 00:19:07,133 --> 00:19:11,213 Speaker 2: They are bottom of the tape at the moment, so 318 00:19:11,573 --> 00:19:13,773 Speaker 2: it would be very interesting there they are in England 319 00:19:13,813 --> 00:19:16,453 Speaker 2: discussing the same we're only going to have six. Well, 320 00:19:16,493 --> 00:19:20,253 Speaker 2: I don't think they'd like it if they suddenly had 321 00:19:20,253 --> 00:19:23,253 Speaker 2: a look at where they were positioned themselves and in 322 00:19:23,293 --> 00:19:25,253 Speaker 2: fact the West Indies would be in the top six. 323 00:19:26,093 --> 00:19:29,413 Speaker 4: Yeah. So sadly, that of course is the business of 324 00:19:29,573 --> 00:19:31,813 Speaker 4: the money people over the cricket people, isn't it. And 325 00:19:31,813 --> 00:19:34,973 Speaker 4: the money people want to make those sorts of decisions. 326 00:19:34,973 --> 00:19:36,733 Speaker 3: Cricket people have. 327 00:19:36,533 --> 00:19:41,413 Speaker 4: A vastly different view of the game. And you know 328 00:19:41,493 --> 00:19:43,973 Speaker 4: we've seen that there was a survey done that Test 329 00:19:43,973 --> 00:19:47,813 Speaker 4: cricket is still the most important part of the player's mind, 330 00:19:48,253 --> 00:19:53,173 Speaker 4: but that T twenty is perhaps overcoming one day cricket. 331 00:19:53,453 --> 00:19:58,973 Speaker 4: I want to get Andrew Mason back because while Anderson 332 00:19:59,093 --> 00:20:02,693 Speaker 4: was preparing for his final Test match, people in the Caribbean, 333 00:20:02,773 --> 00:20:05,093 Speaker 4: the fans there were defending their pace bowlers of the 334 00:20:05,093 --> 00:20:09,293 Speaker 4: past fifty years and the content that Anderson was a 335 00:20:09,293 --> 00:20:12,013 Speaker 4: better ball on any of those who graced the West 336 00:20:12,053 --> 00:20:15,693 Speaker 4: Indian Arena. Somebody gave a point of view with Brian 337 00:20:15,853 --> 00:20:19,733 Speaker 4: Lara who called him the best fast bawler whoever played 338 00:20:19,733 --> 00:20:24,813 Speaker 4: the game, the greatest fast baller of the game. I 339 00:20:24,893 --> 00:20:27,653 Speaker 4: just wonder whether Brian Larrad had a few too many 340 00:20:27,693 --> 00:20:30,653 Speaker 4: bounces bowled at him in the nets and some of 341 00:20:30,653 --> 00:20:33,933 Speaker 4: them had perhaps connected with his helmet. I mean, it's 342 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,693 Speaker 4: hard to argue with the stats of Anderson's contribution to 343 00:20:36,733 --> 00:20:39,853 Speaker 4: the game and stad on the resilience ability he had 344 00:20:40,413 --> 00:20:44,093 Speaker 4: over the last last twenty one years. I've got Andrew 345 00:20:44,133 --> 00:20:47,573 Speaker 4: Mason on the phone again. He rejoins us this week. 346 00:20:47,973 --> 00:20:51,733 Speaker 4: Where does he stand on the issue of anyone who 347 00:20:51,773 --> 00:20:54,533 Speaker 4: can surpass Anderson. 348 00:20:54,613 --> 00:20:59,493 Speaker 6: Milchael Marshall, the great Malcolm Marshall. Yeah, it was easy, 349 00:20:59,533 --> 00:21:03,453 Speaker 6: but we're not hesitation, you know. I would have seen 350 00:21:03,533 --> 00:21:07,893 Speaker 6: Malcolm Marshall play local cricket in Barbados. In fact, he 351 00:21:07,973 --> 00:21:11,013 Speaker 6: actually used to. He was a batsman, you know, and 352 00:21:11,093 --> 00:21:14,613 Speaker 6: for a local team called Banks were worked and you 353 00:21:14,653 --> 00:21:18,013 Speaker 6: know we're coming ball some medium pace and bat and 354 00:21:18,133 --> 00:21:23,253 Speaker 6: he developed into a fantastic bowler for the West City's, 355 00:21:23,453 --> 00:21:27,173 Speaker 6: very very heady, good control. In fact, so Clive Lloyd 356 00:21:27,213 --> 00:21:29,653 Speaker 6: told me only recently that whenever they had a meeting, 357 00:21:30,053 --> 00:21:33,573 Speaker 6: whenever Malcolm Marshall spoke, you can hear a pin drop 358 00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:36,973 Speaker 6: because of his vast knowledge of the game. And the 359 00:21:37,053 --> 00:21:39,093 Speaker 6: thing about Malcolm Marshall was that he was able to 360 00:21:39,093 --> 00:21:42,413 Speaker 6: bowl on on on on any surface. He was quick 361 00:21:43,053 --> 00:21:47,453 Speaker 6: as you know the one on bandick in England when 362 00:21:47,573 --> 00:21:52,213 Speaker 6: he came out and and got and bowling the note. Basically, 363 00:21:52,493 --> 00:21:56,653 Speaker 6: So when you look at Malcolm Marshall, very sharp, a 364 00:21:56,693 --> 00:21:59,973 Speaker 6: good monkser and and you can almost see him thinking 365 00:22:00,173 --> 00:22:03,413 Speaker 6: of batsman. So I would say that Malcolm Marshall would 366 00:22:03,493 --> 00:22:05,973 Speaker 6: be the one that I would pick as my favorite. 367 00:22:06,293 --> 00:22:08,173 Speaker 6: What I would say as well, is that I remember 368 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:13,053 Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety name but he was obviously on the decline. 369 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,613 Speaker 6: I was at Sabina Parker and a gentleman said, Marshall, 370 00:22:16,653 --> 00:22:18,973 Speaker 6: the game will leave you. But what he really meant 371 00:22:19,053 --> 00:22:21,013 Speaker 6: was that Marshall leave the game. But that's the baby 372 00:22:21,013 --> 00:22:24,733 Speaker 6: speak in the Caribbean. And we then went to Border 373 00:22:25,253 --> 00:22:28,333 Speaker 6: now Borders, you know as the batsman's paradise, and in 374 00:22:28,413 --> 00:22:33,373 Speaker 6: nineteen ninety one Malcolm Marshall picked up five wickets Australia 375 00:22:33,413 --> 00:22:37,573 Speaker 6: were defeated in an excellent spell of fast balling. I 376 00:22:37,613 --> 00:22:41,013 Speaker 6: mean Border looked like perf. He boes so quickly because 377 00:22:41,013 --> 00:22:44,053 Speaker 6: he was under pressure, and it really really showed me 378 00:22:44,093 --> 00:22:47,933 Speaker 6: then that Malcolm Marshall, the great, great fast baller that 379 00:22:48,053 --> 00:22:52,133 Speaker 6: he will always be, you know, really showed his true colors. There. 380 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:57,453 Speaker 6: There's also another guy, Malcolm Marsha number one. He doesn't 381 00:22:57,493 --> 00:23:00,413 Speaker 6: get the credit that he deserves. In fact, some people 382 00:23:00,493 --> 00:23:04,533 Speaker 6: questioned whether he's great. Courtney Andrew Watch and the reason 383 00:23:04,573 --> 00:23:08,213 Speaker 6: why I say a Watch would have to feature. Watch 384 00:23:09,053 --> 00:23:13,773 Speaker 6: started out as a support Border and as his career developed, 385 00:23:14,053 --> 00:23:15,453 Speaker 6: ended up being a straight bowler. 386 00:23:16,253 --> 00:23:17,333 Speaker 2: Watch was the. 387 00:23:17,173 --> 00:23:20,773 Speaker 6: One that did the donkey work. I mean, on any pitch, 388 00:23:22,293 --> 00:23:25,733 Speaker 6: watch will be there for you. I've seen Courtney watch 389 00:23:25,773 --> 00:23:29,053 Speaker 6: balling for the best. Cindy's on some dead pitches across 390 00:23:29,053 --> 00:23:32,493 Speaker 6: the world, particularly at border, and his energy and his 391 00:23:32,653 --> 00:23:36,573 Speaker 6: commitment is really really worthy of commendation. But to answer 392 00:23:36,653 --> 00:23:40,413 Speaker 6: your question, Malcolm Denzil Marshall is my pick. 393 00:23:41,093 --> 00:23:43,613 Speaker 4: I won't get too much argument from anybody then, because 394 00:23:43,653 --> 00:23:46,013 Speaker 4: I totally agree with whatever you say. The interesting thing 395 00:23:46,013 --> 00:23:50,333 Speaker 4: about what you mentioned though, in terms of Walsh and Marshall, Walsh, Ambrose, 396 00:23:50,413 --> 00:23:55,973 Speaker 4: Holding roberts Ganna all tore men more into the pitch 397 00:23:56,053 --> 00:24:00,013 Speaker 4: than perhaps Malcolm Marshall, who you swing and pace. He 398 00:24:00,053 --> 00:24:02,213 Speaker 4: didn't have quite the height that those ballers said, did he. 399 00:24:03,013 --> 00:24:05,653 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting because he was a relatively small man, 400 00:24:05,973 --> 00:24:09,053 Speaker 6: like like Shama Joseph. I mean he generated all the paces. Oh, 401 00:24:09,253 --> 00:24:11,213 Speaker 6: it is true that he started. But when you look 402 00:24:11,613 --> 00:24:14,813 Speaker 6: at the chants of Westin, Michael Holland was tall and slim, 403 00:24:15,213 --> 00:24:18,413 Speaker 6: Sandel Robertson was tall, broad shoulder. Look at Joe Garner, 404 00:24:18,493 --> 00:24:20,813 Speaker 6: the big bird, you know he wasn't as quick. He 405 00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:25,093 Speaker 6: was Lethal holling Croft, big strong guy. Wayne Daniel who 406 00:24:25,093 --> 00:24:26,933 Speaker 6: only paid a couple of Test matches. I mean, can 407 00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:30,493 Speaker 6: you imagine when Daniel know he would perhaps pare one 408 00:24:30,573 --> 00:24:33,533 Speaker 6: hundred test matches. So we had some very big, strong 409 00:24:33,613 --> 00:24:36,493 Speaker 6: men bailling for the best season. The problem though, that 410 00:24:36,533 --> 00:24:39,533 Speaker 6: we have brand is that we do not have fast 411 00:24:39,573 --> 00:24:42,413 Speaker 6: ballers in the Caribbean that we had before, and that 412 00:24:42,573 --> 00:24:46,293 Speaker 6: is the major worry. In fact, only recently cricket Wessons 413 00:24:46,733 --> 00:24:49,733 Speaker 6: were trying to get some of the former greats to 414 00:24:49,813 --> 00:24:53,293 Speaker 6: go wrong the Caribbean to try to find fast ballers 415 00:24:53,293 --> 00:24:57,573 Speaker 6: because it is where we were successful. And in my view, 416 00:24:57,653 --> 00:25:01,813 Speaker 6: ontil we get fast ballers again ninety miles an hour, 417 00:25:01,893 --> 00:25:03,093 Speaker 6: we're going to struggle. 418 00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:05,093 Speaker 4: Yes, and I'm sure a lot of people are quite 419 00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:09,013 Speaker 4: happy about that, having to avoid the place bollers of 420 00:25:09,413 --> 00:25:10,933 Speaker 4: ninety miles. 421 00:25:10,613 --> 00:25:11,773 Speaker 3: An hour plus. 422 00:25:11,973 --> 00:25:14,093 Speaker 4: I know many of the New Zealanders would be happy 423 00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:17,333 Speaker 4: to find that there's not quite the pace there that 424 00:25:17,773 --> 00:25:19,933 Speaker 4: you know. And we didn't even mention the likes of 425 00:25:20,373 --> 00:25:21,333 Speaker 4: Sylvest Clark. 426 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:27,093 Speaker 6: Oh Davis, oh, very very sharp. These gays were extremely sharp, 427 00:25:27,973 --> 00:25:28,693 Speaker 6: very very sharp. 428 00:25:29,093 --> 00:25:32,773 Speaker 4: Now lovely to hear your viewpoint, I must say we 429 00:25:32,813 --> 00:25:34,453 Speaker 4: do agree, and I will be interested to see whether 430 00:25:34,493 --> 00:25:38,413 Speaker 4: I can get any challenges for that viewpoint. But Malcolm 431 00:25:38,453 --> 00:25:40,813 Speaker 4: Marshall certainly one of the greats in the game and 432 00:25:40,813 --> 00:25:43,813 Speaker 4: one of the great West Indian quick well a few 433 00:25:43,893 --> 00:25:47,733 Speaker 4: names there, Jerry Malcolm Marshall was his choice. I got 434 00:25:47,773 --> 00:25:51,733 Speaker 4: to say that was my choice as well. And we 435 00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:55,893 Speaker 4: mentioned earlier your favorite bowler is there must be a 436 00:25:55,933 --> 00:25:59,333 Speaker 4: lot of wester Indians and the group of the ones 437 00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:01,573 Speaker 4: you really like the most. 438 00:26:02,333 --> 00:26:06,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the first thing I would say for my 439 00:26:06,773 --> 00:26:11,253 Speaker 2: memories now is that they were all slightly different ones. 440 00:26:13,853 --> 00:26:17,533 Speaker 2: While they were all right right arm bowlers, there was 441 00:26:17,573 --> 00:26:20,413 Speaker 2: a lot of difference between holding who took the ball away, 442 00:26:21,213 --> 00:26:26,173 Speaker 2: and the pace between them wasn't excessive. I mean they 443 00:26:26,213 --> 00:26:30,013 Speaker 2: were all sort of ninety two and I'm talking about 444 00:26:30,093 --> 00:26:34,093 Speaker 2: miles an hour now ninety sort of to ninety three, 445 00:26:34,253 --> 00:26:39,133 Speaker 2: ninety four, that kind of range holding with the new 446 00:26:39,173 --> 00:26:43,573 Speaker 2: ball took it away. Andy Roberts was there in nineteen 447 00:26:43,653 --> 00:26:45,653 Speaker 2: eighty when we played in New Zealand here in that 448 00:26:45,733 --> 00:26:48,693 Speaker 2: acrimonious series, but he wasn't in eighty five when we 449 00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:51,213 Speaker 2: played them, so he was coming kind of more to 450 00:26:51,293 --> 00:26:55,053 Speaker 2: the end of his career. A very strong heavy ball 451 00:26:55,093 --> 00:26:57,893 Speaker 2: bowling faster than you thought it was. The ball was 452 00:26:57,933 --> 00:27:01,613 Speaker 2: on you, tended to move it just slightly away off 453 00:27:01,653 --> 00:27:07,373 Speaker 2: the scene and then dangerous bouncers Croft of course, member 454 00:27:07,533 --> 00:27:11,253 Speaker 2: people remember down at Lancaster Park when he ran into 455 00:27:11,293 --> 00:27:14,533 Speaker 2: Fred Goodall. But the angle that he bowled from was 456 00:27:14,693 --> 00:27:17,413 Speaker 2: very wide. It was about mid off, so that you 457 00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:19,813 Speaker 2: always were worried about your off stump. Is it going 458 00:27:19,893 --> 00:27:22,413 Speaker 2: to come in and hit your off stump. Obviously you 459 00:27:22,493 --> 00:27:25,933 Speaker 2: had people like Marshal then and your Garner. Of course, 460 00:27:26,413 --> 00:27:29,133 Speaker 2: Garner a very different bowler because of the optics, and 461 00:27:29,213 --> 00:27:32,653 Speaker 2: he would bowl he never looked as if he was straining, 462 00:27:33,213 --> 00:27:36,093 Speaker 2: but because of the length of his arms and his body, 463 00:27:36,573 --> 00:27:39,373 Speaker 2: he could bowl the ball closer up to you as 464 00:27:39,413 --> 00:27:42,333 Speaker 2: a right hander and a left hander, and it was 465 00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:45,933 Speaker 2: on you much faster, so it bounced a bit more 466 00:27:45,973 --> 00:27:48,333 Speaker 2: as well. So and he had a great yorker. So 467 00:27:49,013 --> 00:27:51,013 Speaker 2: and then there was Marshall you have mentioned, who used 468 00:27:51,053 --> 00:27:53,533 Speaker 2: to swing it in and he would just run through 469 00:27:53,533 --> 00:27:57,413 Speaker 2: the crease. He would sort of poke his backside out 470 00:27:57,493 --> 00:27:59,013 Speaker 2: so that he had his arm there was a place 471 00:27:59,053 --> 00:28:01,653 Speaker 2: for his arm to go straight under where he didn't 472 00:28:01,653 --> 00:28:04,133 Speaker 2: have to go across his body. He just went straight 473 00:28:04,213 --> 00:28:07,533 Speaker 2: underneath his body. In other words, but yeah, I would 474 00:28:07,573 --> 00:28:12,013 Speaker 2: have thought Marsia was the most accurate of all those bowlers. 475 00:28:12,453 --> 00:28:15,453 Speaker 2: Garner was very good as well, and he swung it 476 00:28:15,493 --> 00:28:19,333 Speaker 2: in slightly and he had a screaming bouncer as well. 477 00:28:20,293 --> 00:28:24,573 Speaker 2: So but I mean, I am constantly surprised you sent 478 00:28:24,653 --> 00:28:28,173 Speaker 2: me just the figures I think of Hadley. I am 479 00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:32,813 Speaker 2: constantly surprised, and I shouldn't be. Just how good Richard was, 480 00:28:33,573 --> 00:28:39,053 Speaker 2: you know, he's he's bold. What I think around about 481 00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:42,533 Speaker 2: twenty two thousand balls. I can't remember the figures you said. 482 00:28:42,853 --> 00:28:46,773 Speaker 2: You said Anderson was forty thousand. Marshall was a bit less, 483 00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:50,293 Speaker 2: wasn't he. He got three hundred and seventy six wickets 484 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:54,093 Speaker 2: I think from my memory, and Paddles was four thirty one, 485 00:28:54,213 --> 00:28:58,333 Speaker 2: So seventeen thousand deliveries twenty two thousand kind of getting 486 00:28:58,453 --> 00:29:01,093 Speaker 2: close ish, weren't they. So that just shows how devastating 487 00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:05,253 Speaker 2: Marshall was. And that's why you know, his stripe rate 488 00:29:05,573 --> 00:29:08,453 Speaker 2: was happening every forty six balls, so he's getting a 489 00:29:08,493 --> 00:29:15,333 Speaker 2: wicket every forty six balls, and Hadley paddles as fifty balls, 490 00:29:15,533 --> 00:29:20,413 Speaker 2: so it's pretty close. And Anderson is fifty six, so 491 00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:24,933 Speaker 2: he's taking another over on top of Richard to get 492 00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:28,773 Speaker 2: a wicket. And where Richard stands out, of course, is 493 00:29:28,813 --> 00:29:32,053 Speaker 2: the percentage of team wickets that he took. Now, you 494 00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:35,493 Speaker 2: could argue that's because the rest of the bowlers weren't 495 00:29:35,533 --> 00:29:40,653 Speaker 2: quite as dangerous as Richard was. But thirty four percent 496 00:29:40,733 --> 00:29:44,093 Speaker 2: of the team wickets when Richard played, that's what he took. 497 00:29:44,733 --> 00:29:48,573 Speaker 2: Marshall twenty six percent. Now that's a hell of a 498 00:29:48,613 --> 00:29:50,693 Speaker 2: good figure when you think about the other names and 499 00:29:50,733 --> 00:29:54,093 Speaker 2: the I've just mentioned to you all bursting to bowl 500 00:29:55,613 --> 00:29:57,853 Speaker 2: and he's still able to get twenty six percent. 501 00:29:59,293 --> 00:30:02,733 Speaker 4: The name is mentioned in thereby that I spoke with 502 00:30:03,173 --> 00:30:05,813 Speaker 4: Andrew Mason. Did you ever face Sylvester Clark? 503 00:30:06,893 --> 00:30:09,133 Speaker 2: Yes, he was. 504 00:30:09,413 --> 00:30:13,413 Speaker 3: He was very very nicety, Yeah. 505 00:30:13,173 --> 00:30:17,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Slingy Bold the day I played against him 506 00:30:17,813 --> 00:30:20,453 Speaker 2: at Surrey. It was it was he bowled in his 507 00:30:20,533 --> 00:30:26,413 Speaker 2: sandshoes and and he was very lively. Again, I mean, 508 00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:29,333 Speaker 2: I think it was kind of talking to some of 509 00:30:29,373 --> 00:30:34,093 Speaker 2: the players and honestly he was. You talk to some 510 00:30:34,173 --> 00:30:38,373 Speaker 2: of the players in England who play against Surrey and 511 00:30:38,453 --> 00:30:40,773 Speaker 2: they would that would be the first game they would 512 00:30:40,813 --> 00:30:43,813 Speaker 2: look at and that was one they were going to 513 00:30:43,893 --> 00:30:49,133 Speaker 2: miss when they were a batsman. They were not keen 514 00:30:49,213 --> 00:30:53,213 Speaker 2: on facing Sylvester. They've got they've got a new stand 515 00:30:53,253 --> 00:30:55,213 Speaker 2: over there at Surrey at the moment, and he is 516 00:30:55,293 --> 00:30:59,493 Speaker 2: regarded so highly, Sylvester Clark. There's a bar right on 517 00:30:59,613 --> 00:31:03,573 Speaker 2: top of that new stand and it's the Sylvester Clark Bar, 518 00:31:04,293 --> 00:31:07,733 Speaker 2: and it has his own special rum rum. That's a 519 00:31:07,813 --> 00:31:10,653 Speaker 2: potent drink that he used to drink, and that's the 520 00:31:10,733 --> 00:31:14,653 Speaker 2: special that's always on special there because it's Sylvester's drink. 521 00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:19,853 Speaker 2: It's quite a nice little touch actually. But yeah, obviously, 522 00:31:20,893 --> 00:31:24,853 Speaker 2: you know those three bowlers we've mainly been talking about, Hadley, 523 00:31:24,933 --> 00:31:31,853 Speaker 2: Anderson and Marshall have have dominated medium fast fast bowling. 524 00:31:32,293 --> 00:31:34,773 Speaker 2: I mean Hadley and Anderson more of a similar pace, 525 00:31:34,813 --> 00:31:40,693 Speaker 2: aren't they? Marshall much quicker? Of course, Hadley and Marshall 526 00:31:41,413 --> 00:31:46,453 Speaker 2: using a cooker butter ball very different than Anderson using 527 00:31:46,493 --> 00:31:49,733 Speaker 2: a duke's ball and where he got a lot more swing. 528 00:31:51,253 --> 00:31:53,733 Speaker 3: So long they did the same, didn't they? 529 00:31:53,733 --> 00:31:56,613 Speaker 4: Anderson and Hadley their main delivery, of course, was the 530 00:31:56,893 --> 00:31:59,373 Speaker 4: was the one that went away, the outswinger. Marshall was 531 00:31:59,413 --> 00:32:02,613 Speaker 4: able to do that, but he also had a pretty 532 00:32:02,653 --> 00:32:05,813 Speaker 4: potent you know, h headball didn't. 533 00:32:05,653 --> 00:32:08,333 Speaker 2: He Oh yeah, he could, but he bowlder a different 534 00:32:08,453 --> 00:32:10,653 Speaker 2: lengths and those other two, the other two you were 535 00:32:10,693 --> 00:32:15,013 Speaker 2: kind of prepared to go forward to. Hadley didn't use 536 00:32:15,053 --> 00:32:17,253 Speaker 2: the bounce of that much sparingly, and the same with 537 00:32:17,293 --> 00:32:19,653 Speaker 2: Anderson as he got a little older as well, could 538 00:32:19,733 --> 00:32:22,733 Speaker 2: still use it. But Marshall would use it as certainly 539 00:32:22,813 --> 00:32:27,493 Speaker 2: as a much more prominent weapon. And he he would 540 00:32:27,533 --> 00:32:29,973 Speaker 2: just run in that you I mean, and just keep 541 00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:33,093 Speaker 2: going and keep going. And he was the difference between 542 00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:36,853 Speaker 2: New Zealand and West Indies. And that eighty five tour 543 00:32:36,933 --> 00:32:39,693 Speaker 2: over in the West Indies, I think he got something 544 00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:43,693 Speaker 2: like twenty eight wickets and it was more than anybody 545 00:32:43,733 --> 00:32:46,733 Speaker 2: else because he could bowl for such a long time 546 00:32:46,853 --> 00:32:48,173 Speaker 2: too well. 547 00:32:48,173 --> 00:32:50,373 Speaker 4: Marshall, he was a sort of bowler that you know, 548 00:32:50,813 --> 00:32:53,533 Speaker 4: if you asked him to bowl fifteen overs on a spell, 549 00:32:53,573 --> 00:32:54,173 Speaker 4: he would do it. 550 00:32:54,933 --> 00:32:56,733 Speaker 3: Not the most ideal. 551 00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:59,493 Speaker 4: Thing to do, but he seemed to have that stamina 552 00:32:59,573 --> 00:33:03,933 Speaker 4: and that desire to go over the top of any 553 00:33:03,973 --> 00:33:07,813 Speaker 4: batsman that he came up to. Plaguegainst. I can't remember 554 00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,573 Speaker 4: whether he played you at hut Wreck when we beat 555 00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:11,213 Speaker 4: the West Indies. 556 00:33:11,253 --> 00:33:14,893 Speaker 2: Was he playing, Yes, yes he did, and that was 557 00:33:14,933 --> 00:33:19,293 Speaker 2: the difference actually between him in nineteen eighty and eighty five. 558 00:33:19,773 --> 00:33:22,253 Speaker 2: He was sort of just still developing and couldn't get 559 00:33:22,253 --> 00:33:27,013 Speaker 2: into that Test side in that series. But when he 560 00:33:27,053 --> 00:33:32,573 Speaker 2: played us at the hut Wreck, I can remember pulling 561 00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:37,733 Speaker 2: and hooking him there, but certainly wouldn't have considered it 562 00:33:38,333 --> 00:33:40,453 Speaker 2: in the West Indies in eighty five, even on the 563 00:33:40,493 --> 00:33:43,053 Speaker 2: flat tracks, you know, and we had a couple of 564 00:33:43,053 --> 00:33:48,453 Speaker 2: the flat tracks there, you know, down in Guyana in 565 00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:54,293 Speaker 2: Georgetown there, so at the Border Ground and also the 566 00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:56,693 Speaker 2: first Test match he did play in that match too. 567 00:33:57,973 --> 00:34:00,853 Speaker 2: I think that was a krinidad, wasn't it. Yeah, that's right. 568 00:34:01,853 --> 00:34:07,333 Speaker 2: But they bowled different lengths and yeah, all but all 569 00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:11,373 Speaker 2: three of them very precise bowlers. I think that's what 570 00:34:11,453 --> 00:34:15,373 Speaker 2: underlines that all those figures, they knew what they were doing. 571 00:34:15,693 --> 00:34:19,213 Speaker 2: They could have had control of what they did. I mean, 572 00:34:19,333 --> 00:34:23,573 Speaker 2: Handley thirty six y five wicket bags. That's more than 573 00:34:23,573 --> 00:34:29,213 Speaker 2: the other two have got. That's just fantastic. So, you know, 574 00:34:29,293 --> 00:34:31,413 Speaker 2: we were so lucky to have Richard. 575 00:34:31,853 --> 00:34:34,453 Speaker 4: Yes, when you look at the figures, it just proves, 576 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:37,853 Speaker 4: as you say, how good a player Richard Hadley was. 577 00:34:38,093 --> 00:34:39,653 Speaker 4: But we knew that at the time, and of course 578 00:34:39,653 --> 00:34:43,213 Speaker 4: he was a key to the successful years that we 579 00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:46,533 Speaker 4: had in Test cricket, and he's up there with Marshall 580 00:34:46,693 --> 00:34:49,333 Speaker 4: and of course Jimmy Anderson is there. Everybody has their 581 00:34:49,373 --> 00:34:54,853 Speaker 4: own favorite fast bowler, slow bowler, batsman. There's some interesting 582 00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:58,613 Speaker 4: discussion points about those various bowlers. 583 00:34:58,653 --> 00:35:02,333 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 584 00:35:02,613 --> 00:35:06,893 Speaker 4: Finally, this week, Jerry, it's not been another very good 585 00:35:06,933 --> 00:35:11,533 Speaker 4: week for our women cricketers. The coaches of the White Ferns, 586 00:35:12,013 --> 00:35:15,013 Speaker 4: they're facing a fairly demanding task, aren't they. They've lost 587 00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:21,253 Speaker 4: the fourth game and heavy defeats. The third game was 588 00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:24,933 Speaker 4: at Canterbury. The fourth game was at the Oval. They 589 00:35:24,973 --> 00:35:28,173 Speaker 4: had a chance in the game at Canterbury, but five 590 00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:31,973 Speaker 4: dropped catchers and some sloppy fielding allowed Freer Camp and 591 00:35:32,053 --> 00:35:36,413 Speaker 4: Alice CAPSI who have the freedom they wanted to chase 592 00:35:36,493 --> 00:35:40,653 Speaker 4: down a title. Reacting to the third game, Sophie divine. 593 00:35:41,453 --> 00:35:43,533 Speaker 7: Underneath it all. I'm really proud of this group. I 594 00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:50,053 Speaker 7: just spoke at the aftermatch interview that at the start 595 00:35:50,093 --> 00:35:52,013 Speaker 7: of the day we asked the group for a fight, 596 00:35:52,093 --> 00:35:53,773 Speaker 7: a bit of ticker, and I thought today we showed 597 00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:56,213 Speaker 7: that we were a lot more competitive, and to think 598 00:35:56,213 --> 00:35:58,253 Speaker 7: that we didn't do so well with the bat, but 599 00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:01,053 Speaker 7: to fight into script to one and then to take 600 00:36:01,053 --> 00:36:03,253 Speaker 7: it to the last over, it's been a hell of 601 00:36:03,253 --> 00:36:05,133 Speaker 7: a lot more competitive than the last couple of games. 602 00:36:05,173 --> 00:36:07,373 Speaker 7: So as a group, you can't ask for much more 603 00:36:07,413 --> 00:36:09,293 Speaker 7: than that. So really proud of that. But we know 604 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,573 Speaker 7: that we've got some areas where we need to you know, 605 00:36:11,653 --> 00:36:14,573 Speaker 7: tidy up, but again there's plenty of positives to take 606 00:36:14,573 --> 00:36:16,333 Speaker 7: out of it and we've still got two opportunities to 607 00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:18,693 Speaker 7: go out there and get the victory. Yeah, it's an 608 00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:20,533 Speaker 7: interesting point your raise, because we actually think our fielding 609 00:36:20,533 --> 00:36:22,773 Speaker 7: has been outstanding this whole trip. I think we've we've 610 00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:25,533 Speaker 7: shown great energy throughout the field. We've seen people moving 611 00:36:25,533 --> 00:36:28,013 Speaker 7: off the ball, and today just wasn't our day, and 612 00:36:28,053 --> 00:36:31,093 Speaker 7: that happens. I don't think it's a lack of skill 613 00:36:31,173 --> 00:36:33,653 Speaker 7: or anything like that. I think today just had a 614 00:36:33,653 --> 00:36:36,853 Speaker 7: case of the drop seas a little bit, I think. So, yeah, look, 615 00:36:37,013 --> 00:36:38,293 Speaker 7: I don't think it's anything that we need. 616 00:36:38,213 --> 00:36:38,653 Speaker 3: To dwell on. 617 00:36:38,733 --> 00:36:41,173 Speaker 7: We know how hard we've worked on our fielding and 618 00:36:41,653 --> 00:36:43,453 Speaker 7: you know, we know what our standards are. 619 00:36:44,813 --> 00:36:47,973 Speaker 4: And then that heavy loss at the Oval. Maddie Green 620 00:36:48,213 --> 00:36:51,173 Speaker 4: was the top batter for New Zealand. 621 00:36:52,213 --> 00:36:56,293 Speaker 8: Her views, Yeah, obviously really disappointing today. You know that 622 00:36:56,333 --> 00:36:58,253 Speaker 8: we know that England are a world class side and 623 00:36:58,253 --> 00:37:00,293 Speaker 8: we've seen that throughout the series and we have to 624 00:37:00,293 --> 00:37:03,453 Speaker 8: be playing well to compete with them and to give 625 00:37:03,453 --> 00:37:04,893 Speaker 8: them a run for their money. And we went on 626 00:37:04,973 --> 00:37:09,373 Speaker 8: today and they punished us. I think from a batting 627 00:37:09,373 --> 00:37:12,773 Speaker 8: point of view, obviously it's having your your key players 628 00:37:12,773 --> 00:37:15,413 Speaker 8: and your senior players stand up and put runs on 629 00:37:15,453 --> 00:37:17,093 Speaker 8: the board. And I thought Sophie was excellent the way 630 00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:19,453 Speaker 8: she pays her earnings and that that last match and 631 00:37:19,493 --> 00:37:21,693 Speaker 8: today obviously we weren't able to get someone from our 632 00:37:21,733 --> 00:37:24,293 Speaker 8: sort of top six to put a big score together, 633 00:37:24,333 --> 00:37:27,173 Speaker 8: and you know, he runs on the board against Paulity 634 00:37:27,253 --> 00:37:29,933 Speaker 8: England side is really important. But I thought the way 635 00:37:29,973 --> 00:37:32,693 Speaker 8: that sort of as he thought when she came in, 636 00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:35,413 Speaker 8: it was a really tricky situation for a very young 637 00:37:35,453 --> 00:37:37,813 Speaker 8: player to be in, and you know, really proud of 638 00:37:37,853 --> 00:37:39,933 Speaker 8: the way that she's sort of stood up and tried 639 00:37:39,933 --> 00:37:43,133 Speaker 8: to keep fighting throughout their innings. So look, that's a 640 00:37:43,173 --> 00:37:45,093 Speaker 8: positive to take away from this. And I thought eating 641 00:37:45,133 --> 00:37:48,213 Speaker 8: cars and Bob well against some world class players as well, 642 00:37:48,293 --> 00:37:51,533 Speaker 8: So what obviously really disappointing performance, but there are it's 643 00:37:51,533 --> 00:37:54,133 Speaker 8: really pleasing to see some of our younger players, you know, 644 00:37:54,253 --> 00:37:57,493 Speaker 8: and in front of a big crowd like that, sort 645 00:37:57,533 --> 00:37:59,733 Speaker 8: of stepping up and you know, making their mark a 646 00:37:59,773 --> 00:38:03,213 Speaker 8: little bit. Yeah, we thought we were right in that contest, 647 00:38:03,293 --> 00:38:06,653 Speaker 8: and obviously the way that Freyer came in and she 648 00:38:06,773 --> 00:38:08,693 Speaker 8: really took the game on and that last Lovers and 649 00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:10,053 Speaker 8: took the game away from us, and that was tough. 650 00:38:10,653 --> 00:38:12,973 Speaker 8: But she, you know, she talked to us pregame around 651 00:38:13,453 --> 00:38:15,773 Speaker 8: just trying to really show some great and stand up 652 00:38:15,813 --> 00:38:18,053 Speaker 8: and I thought you should really leap from the front 653 00:38:18,053 --> 00:38:20,093 Speaker 8: of that game. And after the game she's sort of 654 00:38:20,093 --> 00:38:22,813 Speaker 8: said to us, obviously we're all gutters, but she was 655 00:38:23,293 --> 00:38:24,733 Speaker 8: sort of proud of the way that we fought in 656 00:38:24,773 --> 00:38:27,653 Speaker 8: that match and competed and you know, real shame we 657 00:38:27,653 --> 00:38:28,613 Speaker 8: can't back that up today. 658 00:38:29,453 --> 00:38:31,653 Speaker 3: So it's the same old story. Jerry. 659 00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:34,973 Speaker 4: Sadly, this side has a lot of work to do 660 00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:38,373 Speaker 4: and I think they're going to have to reflect very 661 00:38:38,413 --> 00:38:43,133 Speaker 4: much on the preparation that they've had, the selections that 662 00:38:43,173 --> 00:38:47,573 Speaker 4: they have made, and we won't know until I guess 663 00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:54,053 Speaker 4: they come to the Women's T twenty World Cup whether 664 00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:58,293 Speaker 4: this has been a successful tour, but on results it hasn't, has. 665 00:38:58,173 --> 00:39:01,333 Speaker 2: It, No, it hasn't. It'll be disappointing for all the 666 00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:03,733 Speaker 2: players and the coaching staff and so on. They'll have 667 00:39:04,173 --> 00:39:08,253 Speaker 2: set off with some high hopes. I guess I've you know, 668 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:11,413 Speaker 2: so what have they achieved? Well, I guess they've discovered 669 00:39:12,093 --> 00:39:15,773 Speaker 2: a bit more about what they're not quite so good 670 00:39:15,773 --> 00:39:20,213 Speaker 2: at rather than the other way around. So they'll come 671 00:39:20,253 --> 00:39:24,013 Speaker 2: home feeling a bit uncomfortable. I think that they've been exposed. 672 00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:26,893 Speaker 2: But you know the good part is that they should 673 00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:31,333 Speaker 2: be very clear about what needs to be done and 674 00:39:31,373 --> 00:39:36,933 Speaker 2: whether they're keen to improve and to change. So they're 675 00:39:37,013 --> 00:39:40,373 Speaker 2: obviously they need a lot of work about playing spin 676 00:39:40,413 --> 00:39:45,773 Speaker 2: and bowling, don't they. The England bowlers have dominated, so 677 00:39:45,813 --> 00:39:51,413 Speaker 2: it's Sophie Ecleston, Charlie Dean and Sarah Glenn and they 678 00:39:51,533 --> 00:39:55,773 Speaker 2: have taken you know, eighteen of the twenty five wickets 679 00:39:55,813 --> 00:39:58,973 Speaker 2: to fall in the T twenties. We thought that the 680 00:39:58,973 --> 00:40:01,013 Speaker 2: T twenties will be easier for New Zealand, didn't we. 681 00:40:01,893 --> 00:40:05,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, they seem to have a bit more expertise and 682 00:40:05,213 --> 00:40:07,493 Speaker 4: experience in that form of the game. But you know, 683 00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:11,133 Speaker 4: they just haven't been able to fit into the conditions 684 00:40:11,133 --> 00:40:16,493 Speaker 4: that they've faced in England. And yeah, I mean there 685 00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:19,493 Speaker 4: is a lot of work to do. And I'm sure 686 00:40:19,533 --> 00:40:22,773 Speaker 4: that you know the fact that Craig McMillan is over there. 687 00:40:23,213 --> 00:40:25,533 Speaker 4: I don't know what impact he's had yet, but if 688 00:40:25,533 --> 00:40:27,973 Speaker 4: they've taken him, then I think they've got to keep 689 00:40:28,053 --> 00:40:32,413 Speaker 4: him to help those players. It's going to take more 690 00:40:32,493 --> 00:40:34,973 Speaker 4: than money. There's got to be a lot of changes, 691 00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:38,453 Speaker 4: doesn't there in terms of how we develop young cricketers 692 00:40:38,493 --> 00:40:42,533 Speaker 4: in New Zealand, young women cricketers, and what they are 693 00:40:42,653 --> 00:40:45,453 Speaker 4: doing to prepare. I don't think the preparation for this 694 00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:49,213 Speaker 4: series has been good enough for those players. They needed 695 00:40:49,293 --> 00:40:51,253 Speaker 4: more cricket, that's my view on it. 696 00:40:52,093 --> 00:40:55,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, well they need that. They can't just carry on 697 00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:59,893 Speaker 2: going and doing the same things from you know, various 698 00:40:59,973 --> 00:41:03,773 Speaker 2: franchises around the world and then coming back to New 699 00:41:03,853 --> 00:41:07,253 Speaker 2: Zealand and hoping everything will be okay. But the bowling 700 00:41:07,373 --> 00:41:11,773 Speaker 2: too wads hasn't obviously threatened England, has it. I mean, 701 00:41:11,813 --> 00:41:15,213 Speaker 2: even in the fourty twenties they've had that they claimed 702 00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:17,693 Speaker 2: six wickets in the second T twenty, but that was 703 00:41:17,733 --> 00:41:21,573 Speaker 2: a nine overslog so we can't count that. And in 704 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:24,653 Speaker 2: the other games they've claimed three wickets, four wickets and 705 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:29,133 Speaker 2: three wickets, so they're not getting through to those you know, 706 00:41:29,293 --> 00:41:33,453 Speaker 2: lower order players enough either. That's because they're not scoring 707 00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:38,333 Speaker 2: enough runs. So you know, they're just not a very 708 00:41:38,613 --> 00:41:41,493 Speaker 2: strong side at the moment. But I think they're stronger 709 00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:46,533 Speaker 2: than they're showing. And I'm sure they're individuals you know, 710 00:41:46,653 --> 00:41:51,413 Speaker 2: will be disappointed when they look at their figures. They'll 711 00:41:51,453 --> 00:41:54,173 Speaker 2: be extremely disappointed. I mean, if you looked at England, 712 00:41:54,573 --> 00:41:57,933 Speaker 2: it wasn't just Eccleston and Thattsiver Brunt and here the 713 00:41:58,133 --> 00:42:02,613 Speaker 2: night you've got suddenly because and relying on those very 714 00:42:02,693 --> 00:42:07,373 Speaker 2: experienced players. But you get Bouchet, you get Beaumont, you 715 00:42:07,453 --> 00:42:11,453 Speaker 2: get dead Dean and Glenn. I've mentioned Lauren Belle, You've 716 00:42:11,453 --> 00:42:15,973 Speaker 2: got a five wickets Amy Jones. You know, suddenly other 717 00:42:16,093 --> 00:42:19,493 Speaker 2: people around you start to play as well and play 718 00:42:19,533 --> 00:42:23,133 Speaker 2: a large parts and games. And New Zealand haven't quite 719 00:42:23,213 --> 00:42:27,093 Speaker 2: got those either, have they. You know, the Maddie Greens, 720 00:42:27,373 --> 00:42:30,933 Speaker 2: the brook Calla Days and the Jess Curves, the leader 721 00:42:30,973 --> 00:42:35,413 Speaker 2: who those people who have played a lot of cricket. Really, 722 00:42:36,853 --> 00:42:41,533 Speaker 2: if Baits and Divine don't score runs, we've got to 723 00:42:41,613 --> 00:42:44,253 Speaker 2: develop some of those other players who can come through, 724 00:42:44,293 --> 00:42:47,253 Speaker 2: and they're not quite doing it. So yes, a lot 725 00:42:47,293 --> 00:42:49,333 Speaker 2: of work to be done, a lot of work for 726 00:42:49,373 --> 00:42:52,053 Speaker 2: the coaching staff. Good test for them. 727 00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:55,453 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, we're going a chance to discuss the tour 728 00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:58,573 Speaker 4: with one more game to play next week, and I've 729 00:42:58,573 --> 00:43:00,253 Speaker 4: got a test for you. I want you to do 730 00:43:00,293 --> 00:43:01,973 Speaker 4: some thinking during the week too. Have you got time 731 00:43:01,973 --> 00:43:02,653 Speaker 4: to do some thinking? 732 00:43:04,933 --> 00:43:08,293 Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, Weds, I'd always liked a challenge. 733 00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:12,173 Speaker 4: Well, you'll have to think, because I don't think you'll 734 00:43:12,173 --> 00:43:16,293 Speaker 4: be applying for the job. The Blackheads need a new 735 00:43:16,293 --> 00:43:19,493 Speaker 4: bowling coach or do they do they need a new 736 00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:22,533 Speaker 4: balling coach? And if they do, who is it? Do 737 00:43:22,573 --> 00:43:25,733 Speaker 4: they need someone with the team or should the bowling 738 00:43:25,893 --> 00:43:29,493 Speaker 4: coaches the spread around the country try to develop new talent? 739 00:43:29,773 --> 00:43:30,653 Speaker 4: Is that a fair question? 740 00:43:31,213 --> 00:43:31,413 Speaker 5: Yeah? 741 00:43:31,413 --> 00:43:34,173 Speaker 2: I think it is. It's certainly a pretty basic question. 742 00:43:34,853 --> 00:43:39,253 Speaker 2: But you're right they've advertised, which seems to suggest that 743 00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:41,853 Speaker 2: they want one, or at least like they'd like sort 744 00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:45,613 Speaker 2: of you know, people who are shown interest. I wonder 745 00:43:45,613 --> 00:43:48,613 Speaker 2: where they've gone to WADS. I know that, I know 746 00:43:48,693 --> 00:43:51,813 Speaker 2: that Moose. Last week. Peter Holland, who we had on 747 00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:56,693 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, he's he got an email 748 00:43:56,813 --> 00:43:59,133 Speaker 2: asking him that he wanted to be the bowling coach 749 00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:03,453 Speaker 2: or if he knew someone someone who who might be interested. 750 00:44:04,053 --> 00:44:07,853 Speaker 2: I hope they've looked WADS, you know, rather than just 751 00:44:08,053 --> 00:44:10,053 Speaker 2: you know, a quick call when we need a coach 752 00:44:10,453 --> 00:44:13,733 Speaker 2: that got to know a few people you know, Well. 753 00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:16,093 Speaker 4: Well, we'll give it some thought and come up with 754 00:44:16,213 --> 00:44:19,253 Speaker 4: some ideas that next week. Shane Bond of course would 755 00:44:19,253 --> 00:44:21,173 Speaker 4: be the best, but he's got other work to do, 756 00:44:21,253 --> 00:44:25,053 Speaker 4: and probably more lucrative work. So we'll have a thing 757 00:44:25,133 --> 00:44:27,013 Speaker 4: about that and talk about it next week. And of 758 00:44:27,013 --> 00:44:30,813 Speaker 4: course if you want to give a view on it, 759 00:44:31,213 --> 00:44:33,493 Speaker 4: you can get in touch with us on the front 760 00:44:33,533 --> 00:44:37,133 Speaker 4: foot twenty at gmail dot com and we're happy. 761 00:44:36,893 --> 00:44:39,133 Speaker 3: To take your viewpoints. 762 00:44:39,493 --> 00:44:43,693 Speaker 4: Jerry, I don't want to have any anonymous emails from you. 763 00:44:43,693 --> 00:44:46,093 Speaker 3: You can go and do that thinking the thinking that 764 00:44:46,133 --> 00:44:46,933 Speaker 3: I've asked. 765 00:44:49,093 --> 00:44:52,333 Speaker 2: I will go into a pencils mood immediately and come 766 00:44:52,373 --> 00:44:56,093 Speaker 2: out of the other side, hopefully and with a few 767 00:44:56,173 --> 00:44:59,893 Speaker 2: names for you and with some suggestions. 768 00:44:59,973 --> 00:45:02,013 Speaker 4: Yes, well, I hope that it's a pretty site, because 769 00:45:02,053 --> 00:45:03,773 Speaker 4: normally it doesn't when you come out the other side. 770 00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:06,933 Speaker 2: But no, you're right, quite right, we will say goodbye. 771 00:45:07,093 --> 00:45:08,853 Speaker 3: I'm sorry of. 772 00:45:08,773 --> 00:45:12,613 Speaker 2: Course they got off all right once. Look after yourself, boy, 773 00:45:12,813 --> 00:45:15,533 Speaker 2: wrap up mon all the world. 774 00:45:15,373 --> 00:45:25,573 Speaker 1: The fuldes of Summing. Do for more from News Talks 775 00:45:25,613 --> 00:45:28,773 Speaker 1: at b Listen live on air or online, and keep 776 00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:31,613 Speaker 1: our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts 777 00:45:31,653 --> 00:45:32,733 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.